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then idk
When an equation is represented in the form of y=mx+c
It's a straight line
Where m is the slope
And c is the y intersept
So for example if you had the equation
y=4x+5
What would it's slope be?
4
Amazing
Now whenever the maximum power of x and y is 1, the eqaution will always represent a straight line
so x^2 is curved?
Do you understand this part?
Yes exactly!
You should know what vertex form is, like this
That is also a curve but different to x² and x
Not exactly a double curve
If the maximum power of y is 1 then the power of x represent how many time it intersects the y axis (I'm sorry I meant to write x axis)
So when we discussed about y=mx+c
The power of x is 1 so it will intersect the x axis once
so x^3 is a doulbe curve
So how many times would the graph of x³ intersect the x axis?
Yes correct
Talking about roots is unnecessary for this question
As mentioned @stiff harness, you need to understand vertex and this image
yes
He needs to understand how graph works, so a similar question won't trouble him, giving the straight answer will just get them by this question not the actual thing
Do you understand that h relates to horizontal translation and k relates to vertical?
so h is x and k is y?
Yes, but you don't need to explain first order or third order equations
Yes
So if h is positive and k is positive, as the question states, what are the signs of the x and y coord?
positive
For both or just x or just y?
both because it said h and k
That was my way helping him out, there was no need to overtake the convo. Anyways it'll be good either way as long as he understands it
So if the x and y coords are positive, what quadrant does that represent?
K
1
And there you go
but the answer sheet say its 2
I forgot what the equation looked liked, and had to scroll up again, there was a negative sign outside
So -(x + h)^2 + k
Wait
but h and k are still pos
the - is just which direction the things points up or down
You need to focus on that part
Because the sign was positive in your equation , and in the general equation, it's always negative
(-)(-)=+?
Yes
so h has to be - to have -h be pos
Yes
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Quick question: Can I use L'hopital if I had the indeterminate form "∞/0"?
Yes, but does that mean I cant use l hopital if I had a case where I cannot rewrite it and it had infinity/0
I took the derivative without rewriting it, is it okay?
You did rewrite it lol
oh lol
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How do you find the area of the overlap of the semicircles?
not that it matters, but is the hypotenuse really 12
one of your sides is incorrect
i guess you write the equation of each circle and then find the point of intersection then integrate
How would you find the point of intersection though?
you do the first part first
then set them equal
and find the points of intersection in the first quadrant
The first part?
you write the equation of each circle
Oh
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you wont solve it even if you tried
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you will not solve the problem.
ok, i wont then
ok, you wont then
Did you have a question of any kind?
yes, how to solve/process?
There's one primary error I spot right away
Your probability space does not factor in her the incorrect answers that she eliminated from the first two questions
yeah, the answers i plugged in were from the previous question from a different randomization of the red numbers
the original question ( 7 questions, two possible answers, three questions)
same answers i plugged in
So let's reduce it. What's the probability she gets the first question right?
Nah I'm asking for just getting the first problem right. What is the probability?
this is the probability of getting all 7 right with purely random guessing and no ability to eliminate any wrong answers
1/5 chance to answer 1 question correctly
In a purely random guess, yes
do we do this 7 times
Put the question states she can eliminate one wrong choice from the first (and second) question(s).
So if you can eliminate one wrong answer from the first question, what is the probability of getting it right?
1/4
oh so she does this to 2nd question aswell
1/4 * 1/4 * 1/5 * 1/5 * 1/5 * 1/5 * 1/5
😄
i got 1/50000
is there some reverse thing we do for (b) ?
What's the probability of getting the first problem wrong now?
4/5
3/4
Remember, we eliminated one guess
yup
3/4 * 3/4 * 4/5 * 4/5 * 4/5 * 4/5 * 4/5 = 576/3125
ah im stuck on (c)
Ah yes
The old complements (not to be confused with compliments)
So ask yourself this: What happens if she does not answer every question incorrectly?
then she passes with 100% lol
Not quite
If you don't answer every question incorrectly, that does NOT mean you answered them all correctly
The opposite of answering every question incorrectly is answering at least one correctly
ah
in that case, here are my final answers

yeah i have noticed that
Yeah. Check here


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hm?
how did i type 4 isntead of a 5 man like wtf
I have dyslexia
I miss mistakes like that all the time
You gotta take a lot of time and always double check
But the core is that you understand that problem now
That's what matters
Yeah
I was rushing because I have an exam on this tomorrow
So I guess I need to take with finalizing the answer
The pretest is essentially the exam, and it is a 9 question exam. Want to take a look?
100%
Believe in yourself
You worked out this problem.
Take each bit of information, sort it out, ask yourself the questions to help carve out your path to a solution
,rcw
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needing help on where to start
it’s a practice final exam that doesn’t count towards my grade 😂
looks like Practice
i made sure to include that in the screenshot 😘
haha good call
Gosh darn I can't get someone banned today 
Anyways youre fine
Your x intercepts and zeroes are right
For distance
Use distance formula
y’all tried !!😔
ik the rules thankfully 😆
let me try
so i pick a random y point
Pythagorean theorem with the grid lines
(7, -4) and (-3,4)
thank y’all
(x1, y1) and (x2, y2) is how i like to see it
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Hi I need help with it’s this I have no idea what is happening with the radicals and stuff
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(sorry for the ping)
They used Pythagorean theorem to find the diagonal of the square
That's where the square roots came from
Then they used that to find the radius of the cylinder
Oh wait no they did the opposite
They use Pythagorean theorem to find the side length of the square
how though
My bad
3 radical 2??
the one to the right is the example problem
the one on the left is the one i am trying to do
In your problem you wouldn't have square roots
Do you mean the top one?
You posted two images
problem i am trying to do
Yes that is the one on top
yeah then that would be the problem I am trying to do 
Ah, it displays differently on computers
i was on mobile
but you're looking for the volume that's in the cylinder that isn't in the prism
so you do the volume of the cylinder minus the volume of the prism
that seems easier
but why does it make a whole complicated mess on the example one?
ohhhhh surface area
not volume
im dumb
ngl looks like they screwed this up tho
i have no idea what they're doing
anyways
split it up into smaller areas
start with the outer rounded edge of the cylinder
then the inner walls made by the prism cutout
then do the top and bottom by subtracting the area of the square from the area of the circle
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The other guy wasn’t helping
ill close the other channel just to avoid confusion
The latter three
Lmao
If you could just help me with the third one for now, that would be greatly appreciated
Am I bad luck or something?💀
sorry its just like 1 am and my brain isnt processing much. 5 AP exams can really fuck up your brain ong
alright lemme look 1 sec
by 3rd one, u mean 25??
I feel you
I do, yes
okay, so if you need explaination please consult someone else
i got the answer bc i just did it all in my head
actually nvm screw it
ill just do some work and send u
gimme a few mins
someone who understands lol 🥹
Thank you so very much
just so you know the answer is C
unless i messed up a step which is totally possible cuz i did half of it in my head. im just doing work to confirm
btw is this calc 2 or calc 1?
Calc 2
ah thats why
i have calc 1 but my bitch ass teacher made us learn eulers method
cuz this is a little more advanced than we practiced
Yeah?
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You do?
Ik, its messy af
Please bear with me, its almost 2 am lol
if something doesnt make sense, please lemme know
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im going to sleep now @tranquil pine, hope it makes sense, if not. please dm me
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I don't know where to start
I know the definition of a power series
and I've only seen functions being represented as power series by rewriting in the form 1/1-x
I've also seen power series representations using integrals and derivatives of functions
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find the n-th derivative of sqrt x then use the maclaurin series
dont use the maclaurin series for a function that is not differentiable at x=0
are power series the same as taylor/maclaurin series?
essentially
if you have a series that equals a function in some neighborhood of a point and I think some slight extra conditions, then that series is the taylor series at that point
how do I know that such a series will exist for this function (or any function)?
as long as you can differentiate the function infinitely
not exactly
for real-valued functions analytic and infinitely differentiable are not the same thing
all elementary functions are analytic (on open sets in their domain)
why do we need a function to be analytic for its taylor series to exist?
and what does being analytic mean?
analytic means taylor series exists and equals the function in some neighborhood
just taylor series existing is kind of useless
without that extra guarantee of actually equaling the function
so we're studying taylor series so we can write more complicated functions as a power series/polynomial-like function of x?
there is a very classic example (which I always forget) of a nonzero function that is infinitely differentiable but whose taylor series is constant zero
we are studying taylor series to write stuff as series, yes
?
yeah I think that's the one
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so is this how I should proceed?
umm why can I choose any c just like that?
can't I just leave a generic c in the final expression?
then you might aswell have not calculated the derivatives
cause the formula like this is unusable anyway
cause to use it you first would have to pick some c and then calculate all the values and simplify etc
hmm what do you call a nice c?
can I pick like 1?
are there any restrictions on the value of c I can pick?
it seems weird to me that I can pick from multiple possible values of c, plug in for x, and get an approximation for x^1/2
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the approximation will converge quicker near c
and in general the radius of convergence will depend on c
if you pick c=1 then it will converge in (0,2), if you pick c=15 it will converge in (0, 30)
(and maybe at the endpoints, dont wanna think about those)
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I was wondering, if one sees a function defined like this e.g., does one usually assume that $(-1,1)$ is equipped with the order topology or the subspace topology?
CoffeeMan
@vivid musk what do you mean by this
there is no subspace cohomology
neither homomorphic meromorphic group
Ehh, sorry, I don't understand those terms.
the natural topology on the domain $(-1,1)$ is the subspace topology induced by the standard topology on the real line. Well this is because $(-1,1)$ is a subset of the real line as you see the example gave you, and the standard topology on the real line is the one induced by the usual order relation on the real numbers. hence Real space if you are asking the field?
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I just mean that $(-1,1)$ could be understood both as a subspace of $\mathbb{R}$ with order topology and just as itself with order topology here.
CoffeeMan
Ah, ok
well that is up to the author tbh
I see.
it doesnt matter here
Ye
since , the function is continuous with respect to both the subspace topology and the order topology
If the function involves convergence or like continuity or somehting, then the choice of topology can affect the properties of the function. In such cases, the author should be clear about the topology being used and its properties. this should be explicit
no
there usually isnt
search up monotonicity
I see in this book it is assumed the subspace - found the passage
Ok, thank you
Lets say, if we are interested in studying the behavior of a function on $(-1,1)$ that is monotonic with respect to the order on $(-1,1)$, then it may be more appropriate to use the order topology induced by the usual order relation on $(-1,1)$. Similarly, if we are working with a metric space that is homeomorphic to $(-1,1)$, then we may use the metric topology induced by the corresponding metric. This is quite high level stuff though, so make sure you get grasp of set theory first
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Write the system
x − 2y + z = 7
2x − y + 4z = 17
3x − 2y + 2z = 14
in the matrix form by using matrix multiplication then solve the equation system by using Cramer’s method
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What step are you on?
1. I don't know where to begin
2. I have begun but got stuck midway
3. I got an answer but I'm told it's wrong
4. I got an answer and would like my work checked
5. I have a question about someone else's worked solution
6. None of the above
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Hi
determine all points, if any,
in which the tangent planes to it are parallel to the coordinate planes
I started with the gradient(a,b,c) * (x-a,y-b,z-b) = 0
I don't know how to continue
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pardon?
how exactly did you get that
gradient f is <6x-6, 32/3y, -4z>
the coordinate planes are those vectors with at least one component zero, so you can solve each component for zero separately, then work backwards from working locations to find valid points
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why substituting the angle gives me the point of tangency?
they substituted pi/3 to r = f(theta)
then that gave point of tangency
why?
who can tell me why
🙏
one of the requirements for a tangent line at a point is that both the line and the graph have to pass through that point
yeah
so at theta = pi/3, r = 2 and thus that's the point of interest
hmm okay
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Using , the dot product and cross product formulas of vectors, show that the dot product and cross product are distributive,
- when the three vectors are coplanar
- in general case
question is pretty straight forward
what exactly do you not understand @tranquil pine
Using A . B = AB Cos Theta and A X B = AB Sin Theta, We have to show that the dot and cross product are distributive, if the three vectors are coplanar, so in coplanar means they lie in the same plane, so the angle will be zero i guess?
right what is the distributive property, take any vectors with xyz coordinates or even n coordinates and write it down
$\vec{u} \cdot (\vec{v} + \vec{w})= \vec{u} \cdot \vec{v} + \vec{u} \cdot \vec{w}$
for dot product
you'd have to show that that is true
1st for coplanar vectors
yes
2nd in the general case
and then rewrite that property above, using the cross product instead of dot product
and do the same thing
you just write down both sides, expand them and at the end you prove that they are both equal
proving the property
the arrow missing on that v tho 🗿
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yeah it's nice, it really gives a stronger intuition behind both products and vectors overall
@tranquil pine check 3blue1brown linear algebra if you have free time, he gives the intuition behind some of this stuff
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so i have multiple points that i know are exponential and i want to find an approximate equation for them
(30, 15)
(15, 30)
(7.5, 60)
(3.75, 120)
(8 1/3, 54)
the points' x and y can be flipped and it'll still be a valid point, so you can add a point like (60, 7.5) as it will just be the opposite instead (halving vs doubling kind of stuff)
i already tried some calculators out but nothing seemed to really work. idk if this is just impossible to fully solve? you can find exact points by using multipliers, so i figured you could make an equation for whatever point you want to find
it doesn't need to be solved btw, just trying something out for something
that's not exponential
...well what do you think it is then?
the actual pattern is that the product of the x and y coordinates is 450
well it goes through all the points
i don't have any more information on this than you do but it looks pretty reasonable
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surely if A1 = {Heads, Tails, Tails, Tails, Tails, Tails, Tails} and A2 = { Heads, Heads, Tails, Tails, Tails, Tails, Tails} the intersection wouldn't be the empty set
{Heads, Tails, Tails, Tails, Tails, Tails, Tails} is not A1 but one elements of A1
but it's not like this explains it, i just don;t understand why you;re confused
i thought A1 represented like any possible set with heads
okay
you could notice that a set can't even look like that
they wouldn't dare call it a set
A1 is a set of "sequences" not sets
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one dimension is doubled i.e. for example the height is doubled
so what is the new volume assuming length is l and breadth is b
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hmm
but how would I write that in the question
if you double a dimension of a rectangular prism the volume of the shape is affected
given the volume is length x width x height
doubling any of the dimensions would double the volume
and with the same logic, doubling two dimensions would quadruple the volume of the rectangular prism
and three would multiply the volume by 6, so on
and for the cylinder you'd be quadroupolign the volume
quadrupling
as $hπr^2$ would turn into $hπ(2r)^2$ which would be $hπ4r^2$
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Hello i belive i got the hang of this questiilon thanks to someone in this server
So if possible can anyone make me a question similar to this one to see if i can get it right
To prove to myself i understsnd this concept fully
Solve for $x$ in $\frac{2z+y}{3x+4}=\frac{y-z}{x-1}$
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Wow
I definitely still dont undertsnad this
would the first step be getting rid of that x-1?
First step would be cross-multiply
Ok illdo
OK so
2zx-2z+xy-y = 3xy-6x+4y-8
Not sure i wouldve thought to combine like terms but that = sign
you get the left side correct, but not the right side
Ah
i do again
Ah ok i got mixxed i thought a 2 was a z or something
Ok so now
2zx-2z+yx-y=3xy-6x+4y-8
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You wrote the same thing
ah im writing the qeustion wrorng its messing me up twice in a row sry
again 2 mins
Ok surely
2zx-2z+yx-y=3xy-3xz+4y-4z
So the goal to solve for x
i wanna make it alone
Is good ?
-2z i mean
Yeah, you need to subtract 2z, not 2
You're not done, you still have an x on both sides
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$\log_{16}^2 x - \log_{16} x + \log_{16} k = 0$
I need to find the number of values of k such that this equation has one solution
NEONPerseus
I was able to find only one value
For k = 2
But apparently there's another one?
Am I missing an absolute value somewhere
Let log16x = z
Clearly a quadratic in z
I just completed the square directly
z² - z + c = 0
Just let the discriminant be zero and solve for k
Let’s see
1 - 4(1)(c) = 0
looks like everyone is missing an absolute value
,w solve z^2 - z + c = 0
It needs to have only one solution
Note that x must have one value not z
I don't think that matters tbh
,w solve z^2 - z + 1/4 = 0
is it log_16(x) or log_16(|x|)
No absolute value inside
I think something's up with the question tbh
k cannot be negative
And there's only one positive value
if k=2, then there is only one solution x to the equation
Is your log defined for negative values
k=2 is the only positive value of k where there is one solution for z
No its not
It could be extended though
W I beat riemann I said it first make me honorable quick
The slider just moves this thing up and down
Lol
why though
Then you can see if it has 1 and only 1 solution then there is only 1 k value for it
Let's see
Hmm true
If that’s allowed
,w Reduce[Log[16,x]^2 + Log[16,x] + Log[16,k] == 0, k, Reals]
Maybe that's what it's referring to
You suck
Possibly
Wolfram will die
Sorry
Thank you
Perchance
I'll just ask my teacher
But can you really
Replace a parameter with a variable

Hold on lemme see
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Hey it says k = 1
AND log x = 0
Isn't that fun
@versed crater if you were to let x = k
You can’t assign values to x
k = x
Yeah
Pov you loop through i and midway in you change what i is
So that can't be it
k = 2
No no no

k = 1 and k = x is different
If k = x, the 2nd term cancels
I'm just seeing which values of k changes the function.
But if x is any positive real value
That’s how you get x = 1 being a single root
(was hoping for Umbra commentary)
And we want all k’s that satisfy that condition
I'll just ask my teacher
I think frosst's explaination made the most sense
But it's sort of finding an answer because you know it's there
:/
In any case, thank you to y'all
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I doubt letting a constant turn into a variable makes much sense
But here you can see both curves are 0 at x= 1 so when you sum them you get that as a root
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I’m stuck on finding the height, length and area of the equilateral triangular prism. It needs to be able hold 12 golf balls, with each having a diameter of 4.267 cm. The equilateral prism also needs to be two layers in height, which i think is the distance between bases (correct me if I’m wrong).
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I think the distance between bases is 8.534
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I think it should look like this
For the setup
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If in matrix multiplication, AB=AC, does this imply B=C?
If A is inversible then it does imply B=C, because you can multiply both sides by A^{-1} in the front
What if |A|=0
In matrix you can't divide but you multiply by inverse
If |A|=0 then that means A is not invertible
Also in this question I asked, I didn't mention A is invertible or not. So can you directly imply B=C here?
No, it is not directly implied then
Ok then
imagine if A was a matrix of zeros, then any B or C would work
Oh that's true
That's a perfect counter example
Thank you
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Wait, isn't that the same in case of scalars like ab=ac then b=c but if a=0 then b and c can be any scalar and so not necessarily b=c
yeah 0 is non invertible since 1/0 isnt defined
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Considering this Venn Diagram,
I calculated;
P(A|B) = 0.315
P(C|A) = 0.364
and still need to calculate;
P(B|C) = The formula of P(B|C) = P(B∩C) / P(C) does not make sense to me as of now because how can I find the probability of C and B happening at the same time?
Note: This is all the information I have
B and C are disjoint, no?
yes B and C are disjoint thats why I don't understand how to find P(B|C)
well if B and C are disjoint, what does that imply about P(B∩C) ?
B∩C = empty set
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That it would = 0 ?
I asked my professor about it too and he said
I can't tell you what the answer to 5(f) is, but the same formula works in all cases.
thats why I was hesitant to think it was 0
P(empty set) is always zero yes
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I’m confused
Wouldn’t that mean that there’s only two solutions between 0<x<2pi ?
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How would you know where to place the decimal in binary division
In the final answer
This is a solution
But I was wondering if I have to move to the right by two steps
both numbers were multiplied by 100
which is why the decimal moves to the right for both
multiplying both numbers by the same thing does not affect the division
But if you multiply by 100 in the calculator it doesn't display the decimal or is that normal
the decimal of this moves 2 to the right
the decimal in this goes directly above the decimal of the 101010...
(as in your solution)
So if it was 1010.101010
It moves 5 times to the right
np
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help idk which part i got it wrong
the answer is 2x + 2/x²
almost got it but still not righy
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simplify and you will get
lim 2x + h + 2/(xh+x^2)
h->0
f’ = 2x + 2/x^2
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I don't understand how you're supposed to be able to find the c-matrix of T
if you aren't given what the transformation of vector w maps to
i need help
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I’m doing test corrections and was absent for the entire unit pls help me
#5 period b and phase shift
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i have a question about some steps
oh wait im so dumb
sec(x) has its own intergral which is the ln(|secx + tanx|) right
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okay cool
also
is there a way to do this w out the partial frac decomp
idk im having trouble with this expansion
you do need partial fractions for this yeah
Not that I can think of atm at least
The partial fractions one?
(In particular it almost certainly isn’t of the form f’(x)/f(x) as the denom has degree 4 and numerator is degree 2)
It does look like it’ll be quite painful tbh
can i show my work
Yea please do 
Hmmm
not that I've spotted 
I mean you could do the whole "substitute values in" thing too which might be less painful but only slightly
So from this point, choose x=1, x=3 and then two other x values to get equations
okay tysm can i ask one more question
Yea of course! 

okay tysm
i had this intergral on an exam
it was improper righ
and i got -1/9 but thats not fully correct
the feedback says use l hospitals or introduct t-> 0 and i went wrong but i dont understand the correct solution
Yea it's improper because of the 0
why
e.g. ln(0) isn't defined
That's why they do the limit thing, so like $-\int_{t}^{1} x^{2} \ln(x) \dd x$ then let $t\to 0$
let me see
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wait i dont understand where lhospitals could come into place
Guessing on working out this integral in terms of t
then this is clearly divergent right
also why did you flip the bounds of integration
is that for readability
ik its a proper of intergrals but yeah
Just cause it annoyed me tbh 
You don't have to flip them at all but for me it just gets me any time I see integrals "the wrong way round" 
i gotcha
i tried checking the answer w online calculator and it kept saying 1/9 but it should be divergent right
And not quite either no
Work out the integral in terms of t
i see my mistake
its positive 1/9
ln(0) (0)/ 3 - 0^3/9 = 0
uhhh
ln(0) dne right
0 times inf is 0???
for the ln(t)t^3/3
As per the other question you posted, because $t^{3} = \frac{1}{1/t^{3}}$, you can then write that as
[
\frac{1}{3} \frac{\ln(t)}{1/t^{3}}
]
which is a form you can use lopital's on
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ln(t)t^3/ 3 is indeterminite, use lhopitals there first
do i rlly need to rewrite it
Well if you rewrite it like that, it becomes easier to justify why you can lopital it and what happens when you do
Once you apply lopital's, it becomes something much nicer to work with (remember that lopital's only applies for things of the form 0/0 and ±♾️/♾️, but 0 * ♾️ can be converted into that form as per above)
i gotcha
can i ask about this too
is it just 2pi from bounds 0 to 2 x sqrt(1 + 4x^2)
Hmmm I don't think it is? 
At least not with me trying it out I get something a little different
Do you like have formulas for surface areas of revolution?
It's kinda like that yea
We're rotating about the y axis here of course but want our integral in terms of x
wait whats the diff in rotating amoung the y axis if its not expressed in terms of y
Well in this case we have that $y = x^{2}$ so then you get that $x = \sqrt{y}$ (in this case because we're between $(0, 0)$ and $(2,4)$, then we take the positive square root)
@tulip coyote
anyways, from that, you can basically substitute to then get that integral back in terms of x
We're rotating about the y axis so we would be taking g(y) = sqrt{y}
and using the second form here
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I need assistance w this
im trying not to do it by direct method