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shell mountain
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2x is x + x

charred vigil
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x^2

shell mountain
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Yes

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Factor out an x², since all the terms have it

charred vigil
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so x^2(x-6)

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ahh i see thanks

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tawdry valve
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Hi guys
How do you get the derivative of this
With steps

tranquil pine
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does anyone know how to make quadratic equation to standard for like

x²+6x+9=0

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snow kindle
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Is $$AA^T$$ necessarily symmetric?

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THEBIGTHREE

shell mountain
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What does it mean for a matrix to be symmetric?

snow kindle
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Its transpose equals itself

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So that’s only true if it’s also commutative?

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*AT and A are commutative

shell mountain
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Well, what's the transpose of AA^T?

snow kindle
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A^T * A

shell mountain
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No

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(AB)^T is not A^T B^T

snow kindle
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Ohh right it swaps oml

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A^T^T * A^T = AA^T so yeah

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Then if it was commutative as well wouldn’t that mean A must be symmetric as well?

shell mountain
snow kindle
shell mountain
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Well, there's only a small subset of matrices that commute with all others

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Not finite

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But small

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Relatively speaking

snow kindle
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Well I know if A and B are commutative and symmetric their product is symmetric

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So would it work in reverse?

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If their product is symmetric and they’re commutative then they’re both symmetric

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Or at least maybe in the special case where B = A^T

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lost stump
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If a bacteria is multiplied by 2,6 times a hour, and there starting count is at 5000. We want to know how much bacteria is after 9 hours, so don't you do 5000*2.6^9?

lost stump
vital crag
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yes

lost stump
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my book says this is the correct way

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i think my book is wrong, but just to make sure

fast grotto
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ur book isnt even using the right given values 💀

lost stump
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thats what im saying dude 🤣

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my book is so shitty

vital crag
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books have erratas for their corrections

lost stump
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but my way is corrct, just to be sure

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right?

vital crag
lost stump
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ok thanks a lot. have a great evening or what ever you are having 😄

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brave olive
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Why these two d-dimensional vectors multiple together would becomes a 1 dimensional answer? Thank you

vital crag
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also which two vectors?

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there's like 20 variables

brave olive
# vital crag do you know dot product?

yes. dot product means one row element of one matrix multiples one column elements of another matrix. and the size of the matrix would depends on the #row of one matrix, and #column of another matrix

brave olive
vital crag
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where in that image does their dot product become one dimensional?

brave olive
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yes, the descriptor (embedding) of E and A are d-dimensional vectors

vital crag
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or any type of operation.

vital crag
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riemann (eric tao for honorable)

vital crag
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dot product is one such example

brave olive
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what is the meaning of /rightarrow?

vital crag
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or are you asking about $f_{r_1}$?

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riemann (eric tao for honorable)

brave olive
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yes. That LHS to RHS is weird

vital crag
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for three sets $X, Y, Z$, $f: X \times Y \mapsto Z$ means a function $f(x,y)$ takes elements from $X$ and $Y$ and output to $Z$

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riemann (eric tao for honorable)

brave olive
vital crag
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e.g. $X=Y=\R^d$ and $Z = \R$.

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riemann (eric tao for honorable)

vital crag
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then if $x = (x_1, x_2, ..., x_d)$ and $y=(y_1,y_2, ..., y_d)$

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riemann (eric tao for honorable)

vital crag
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$f(x,y) = x\cdot y = x_1 y_1 + x_2 y_2 + \ldots +x_d y_d \in \R$

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riemann (eric tao for honorable)

brave olive
vital crag
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no

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Examples 1 and 3

brave olive
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oh, so after vector takes dot product, it becomes scalar. @vital crag

vital crag
brave olive
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i am not sure R^d \times R^d is a dot product. Maybe it is more like a cross product by looking its cross symbol

vital crag
vital crag
brave olive
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It has a formula like that

vital crag
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W is a d-by-d matrix here

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Have you taken linear algebra yet?

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ruby quarry
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I've started of with the left hand side of the equation

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tan^2(A+pi/4) = (tan(A)+tan(pi/4)/1-tan(A)tan(pi/4))^2

carmine hull
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it's pi not pie

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🥧

ruby quarry
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sorry 😂

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idk what to do now tho

scarlet sequoia
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there are 2 ways to do this, the tideous but safe way and the dangerous but efficient way

ruby quarry
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ooh interesting

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if the tedious way expanding it because I really dont want to do that

scarlet sequoia
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The tideous way involves starting from the RHS and use formulas on sin = sqrt(1-cos^2) and sign issues and blablabla...

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the quicker way :
start from the LHS

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tan = sin/cos

ruby quarry
scarlet sequoia
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apply formulas for sin^2 and cos^2

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also... tan(pi/4) = 1, you can replace that

ruby quarry
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omg ur right

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now it = (tanA+1/1-tanA)^2

rare cradle
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i would now expand

ruby quarry
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aight, lemme do that real quick

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= tan^A+2tanA+1/tan^2A-2tanA+1

rare cradle
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yea now get it in terms of sin and cos

ruby quarry
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now replace with sin/cos?

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yh

rare cradle
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tan^2 + 1 = sec^2 btw

ruby quarry
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ohhhh thats where this question was going

rare cradle
ruby quarry
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it makes it much quicker tho right?

rare cradle
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sure a bit quicker

ruby quarry
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= (1/cos^2A + 2sinA/cosA)/(1/cos^2A - 2sinA/cosA)

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I need to get rid of the cos now somehow

rare cradle
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get rid of nested fractions

ruby quarry
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multiply top and bottom by cos^2A?

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= 1+2sinAcosA/1-2sinAcosA

rare cradle
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yes

ruby quarry
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what do I replace the cosA with?

rare cradle
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do you know a double angle formula for sin?

ruby quarry
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sin2A = 2sinAcosA

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ohhh

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ruby quarry
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back with another one

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ruby quarry
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this one is harder I think because I can't use the compound angle identity I used before

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I'm thinking of changing the tan(3A) into tan(A+2A)?

scarlet sequoia
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how about sin(4A) into sin(A + 3A)

ruby quarry
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sure, I'll work with the RHS then

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= sin3AcosA + cos3AsinA/cosAcos3A

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factor out cosA?

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oh wait u can't do that

rare cradle
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the lhs has 2 terms

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so i would split the fraction to 2 terms

ruby quarry
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ok

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= sin3AcosA/cosAcos3A + cos3AsinA/cosAcos3A

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= tan3A + tanA

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wow

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it was that simple...

rare cradle
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indeed

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scarlet sequoia
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you're welcome

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tranquil pine
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how would i express the end statement with the following predicates

rare cradle
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is there some kind of set for metal spheres and cubes?

tranquil pine
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nah

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you have to use univeral/existential quantifiers

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this is what im thinking so far but i dont know which if either of them is correct

desert mantle
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so far you have (more or less) "for every cube there is a heavier metal sphere"

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that's the wrong way around

scarlet sequoia
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Yes, your statement begins with "there is" so your mathematical statement should begin with there exists

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I'll write A and E instead of "for every" and "there exists"

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it gives : ExAy sphere(x)^metal(x)^cube(y)=>heavier(x,y)

tranquil pine
scarlet sequoia
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oh right sorry

tranquil pine
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also i am slightly confused about quantifier terminology

scarlet sequoia
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you have the correct terminology

scarlet sequoia
tranquil pine
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from what i understand the universal quantifier includes every single element of a set

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but then how could every single element of the set is a cube while a y being a sphere existing as well

scarlet sequoia
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But the problem is you have to put things in brackets

tranquil pine
scarlet sequoia
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ExAy sphere(x)^metal(x)^(cube(y)=>heavier(x,y))

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This is correct

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or rather, the order of your statements matter as well

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Scratch every statement i have written beforehand

tranquil pine
scarlet sequoia
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Ex sphere(x)^metal(x) Ay cube(y)=>heavier(x,y)

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This last statement reads : "There exists something that is a metal sphere, such that for everything that exists, IF it is a cube THEN it weighs less than the metal sphere"

tranquil pine
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hmm

scarlet sequoia
tranquil pine
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how come the statement without the parentheses around cube and heavier is incorrect?

scarlet sequoia
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It is not incorrect, it is just not well-defined

tranquil pine
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I see

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I appreciate the help

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one last thing

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why is it necessary to replace the and statement with an if then

scarlet sequoia
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So you're asking to compare to this : ExAy sphere(x)^metal(x)^cube(y)^heavier(x,y)

scarlet sequoia
tranquil pine
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y*

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everything y is a cube

scarlet sequoia
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yeah basically it implies everything is a cube

tranquil pine
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which consequently leaves no room for x to be a sphere

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correct?

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which would be a logical inconsistency

scarlet sequoia
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Yeah the logical inconsitency is ExAy sphere(x)^cube(y)

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There can't exist a sphere if everything that exists is a cube

tranquil pine
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oh i get it now

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so regardless the universal quantifer includes everything in the set?

scarlet sequoia
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yes

tranquil pine
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which is why this is incorrect because x HAS to be in y

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right

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because y is the universal set

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and no element can exist outside of it

scarlet sequoia
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yes

tranquil pine
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oh

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tysm

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that clears things up

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snow nacelle
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soo

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snow nacelle
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i have the problem down to

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lim x->infinity of x-2/x(x-1)

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what do i do from here ?

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iv been told 2 things

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that infity over infity is 1 and that infinity over infinity^2 is 1/infinity

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snow nacelle
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hmm

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so what would i do here

scarlet sequoia
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So

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x-2 is what we say "equivalent" to x when x->infinity

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meaning that lim x->infinity of x-2/x = 1

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oh wait

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snow nacelle
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yea one second lemme pull out the paper again

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(x-2)/x(x+7)

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thats if i even factored it correctly lol

silver swan
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Well for this it’s helpful to distribute the x

snow nacelle
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(x-2)/(x^2+7x)

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as lim x-->infinity

silver swan
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Yes

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As in the case of limits at infinity

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The biggest power is essentially all we care about

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we ignore everything else

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so this would just be 1/x^2

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As x^2 is the highest power

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And it would be 1/infinity

snow nacelle
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okay so the second person was right then lol

silver swan
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Ye

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Should be just 0

snow nacelle
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so

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wait

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its just 0 ?

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not 1/infinity

silver swan
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1/infinity in the idea of limits

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Is 0

snow nacelle
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hmm okay

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what about

silver swan
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Think about it as you have a number growing to infinity

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It will approach 0

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As the denominator blows up

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So as the limit goes

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It is 0

snow nacelle
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oh okay i gotcha

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so for

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(x+2)/(x+1) as x-->infinity

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what would that be ?

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cause i had infinity / infinity for that =1

silver swan
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Infinity over infinity is undefined

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Do you know l’hopital

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Rule

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This limit does in fact =1

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or I should ask do you know derivatives yet or have you only started limits

snow nacelle
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we did limits now we doing derivatives and stuff

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so infinity over infinity is 1 ?

silver swan
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no

snow nacelle
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cause thats the answer the teacher wrote is 1 but she didnt write how she got 1

silver swan
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for example 3x/x

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As it approaches infinity

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Is 3

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that is infinity over infinity

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Well l’hopitals rule let’s us take 2 indeterminate forms

snow nacelle
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hmm

silver swan
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And take their derivative

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Which is equal to the value of the original limit

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You’ll learn all this soon

snow nacelle
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haha hopefully she made this overly complicated

silver swan
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And then the derivative of 3x is 3 and the derivative of x is 1

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So we have 3/1

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Which is just 3 so our limit is 3.

snow nacelle
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this question had 6 parts and i got 2 right and the rest partially right so i was just trying to figure out how to do them correctly

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so we just take the derivative of (x+2)/(x+1) so 1/1

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thats why the answer is one huh

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i hate that this all makes sense hahah i can justify any of these being 1 but knowing which real reason is hard haha

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help

livid ice
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Do you know how to find an inverse function?

young birch
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yes i do

livid ice
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Ok start by finding the inverse of f

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We'll have to just call k by that name

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Nonetheless k is just a number you can still move it around like any other

young birch
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ok hold on

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is that right

livid ice
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Yes that's correct personally i would have divided by k first

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But your expression is equivalent

young birch
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ouu yeah thats right

livid ice
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So that expression is f inverse of x

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They told us something else that you can use to create an equation

final tangle
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personally, explicitly finding the inverse function is unnecessary

young birch
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im so confused

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inverse f(-2) = -3

young birch
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ur hint is not hinting me anything

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help

ebon dew
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What

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Do you know how inverses work

livid ice
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F inverse of -2 is

The inverse function when x = -2

final tangle
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considering the definition of inverse,
f^-1(-2) = 3,
when x = -3, f(x) = -2
i.e f(-3) = -2

young birch
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do i have to plug in anything 😭😭

young birch
lean magnet
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alright

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so

young birch
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yes

lean magnet
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you have your inverse equation right?

young birch
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yes

lean magnet
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and you have the knowledge that inverse f(-2) = -3

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meaning that in the inverse equation, when you plug in -2 for x, the result is -3

young birch
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OHHH

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OMG

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wait

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the answer is 2

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right

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how do i close this channel

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thank you sat

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ofc

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how do i do this?

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I have F_net = F_down - F_up
          ma = 187 - 0.8|v|
           a = (1/m)(187 - 0.8|v|
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Hi how would I find the next two numbers in this sequence? -1,4,-9,16,-25

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fibonacci

proven nebula
sly hare
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Not the sequence itself.

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I meant you can use fib formula/method.

sly hare
proven nebula
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(-1)^n/(n^2)

tranquil pine
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So how would I set up the formula for this problem in particular?

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What would n be then?

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I need help with this page pls

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can someone help me with this

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im having trouble finding how many prefer chess and taekwondo but not swimming

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idk how to do any of this 💀 pls help

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I also have to explain all my steps... I don't know where to start, someone please help

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consider geometric properties related to vertical angles and angle sum on a line

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the rest is algebra

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IDK WHAT THAT MEANS 😭

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<@&286206848099549185> pls idk how to do this stuff

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So did you look up this?

consider geometric properties related to vertical angles and angle sum on a line

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what have you tried?

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do you know the properties of logs

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well yea

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we’re using rule 5 here

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ln e^x=x
that looks directly applicable here

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the anwer is just 6?

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answer to the whole question, no

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oh

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ln e^6 = 6
is just 6 though

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yea

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so

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type in what

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wait

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would it be 24

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it's just geometric series?

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yea

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but i got the wrong answer some how

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what's your a, r ?

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a is -1/7 and idk what r is

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wait a is actually 1/7

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this is an exam though

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oh

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Hello

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What's I

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irracional

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I don't know what is the letter you use in your country

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here we use I

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After that i tried applying induction but i was not really sure how to insert that info in to the induction proof...

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without going into much detail, why are you using primes

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if you only consider primes, aren't you missing out on fractions like 1/6

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you should rethink your whole approach

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How would you do it

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contradiction

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i mean there's very standard proofs online, if you just want a solution

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Nah im trying to learn

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Im using primes to proof $\sqrt[]{2}$ is racional, since racional numbers can me writeen as fractions

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everytimecrusader

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And try to get a contradiction with that

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I had a random thought if X^X < X! has a solution and if yes, then what would be the best method to find it, because ofc you can just make a graph, but that wouldn't be very efficient and would take a long time, especially in case there is no solution. My next idea was to write both sides down using logarithms, but cant think of a way to turn a factorial into a logarithm

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I wrote a simple program to calculate the answer, but since i am working with big numbers, its gonna take a long time and again there is a chance there is no answer, meaning it is gonna run forever

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maybe this will help

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not really

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x! = x(x-1)(x-2)...(2)(1)
log(MN) = log(M) + log(N)
So your log(x!) is the sum of log(i) where i goes from 1 to x

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well yeah,but how do I use that info to solve the inequality

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ok

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I may just be stupid, but I dont see it

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so log(x!) is the sum from i = 1 to x of: log(i)

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and log(x^x) is the sum from i = 1 to x of: log(x)

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so compare log(i) and log(x)

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which one is gonna be bigger

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if i is a number between 1 and x, inclusive

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yeah that makes sense ig

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the logarithm was a good idea

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i was gonna do something more fiddly

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like?

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i know they're equal for x = 1

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so i was thinking of differentiating ^-^

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if the derivative of x^x was strictly greater than the derivative of x!, then after x = 1, x^x would have to be strictly greater than x!

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but that's way more work

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so do we conclude the logarithm is the most effective?

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the following statement is about Laplace's expansion

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Help on 53

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I solved it but got 9952 which was wrong

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It worked when i converted the measurements to feet but not inches

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I got to the part (2^n!)^(n+1)>(n^n)^(n+1)

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I'm not sure if I am doing right

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I used discrimination as it was repeated roots

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u are right

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its not recommended that you explicitly write the QF with the original variables a,b,c as they conflict with the variables of you question

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I'm never exactly sure where the intuition for questions like this come from. I can solve an Initial Value problem, but in the second image, which contains the solution, how is it obvious that the answer to this question involves knowing there needs to be a rectangle that contains the point (0,1) in which these functions are continuous? Why is the partial a function we must consider? How do we validate these functions are continuous in some arbitrary rectangle? How do they arrive at this soln? I want to get better at the intuition for questions involving intervals and continuity.

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it's a theorem about the uniqueness of a solution to an initial value problem.

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I see, thank you @hearty zephyr. I will check out Paul's notes and then see if I missed that section when reviewing. (Test is coming up next week). If I have any further questions around the topic after should I create a new question or just DM you?

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create a new question in case i'm not around

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Moh wants to color an n × m chess grid with black and white such that
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How many ways are there to do this?

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Divide into two cases:

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Then each row color appears alternately, so 2^n ways

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Second case there are two adjacent square at one same row

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Then color of squares of those two columns are determined by those two blocks

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You can easily see that now colors on each column appears alternately

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So 2^m-2 ways since you need to rule out the 2 cases where colors of a row is alternate

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So in the end 2^n+2^m-2

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QED

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thnk you

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Np

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how to solve this?

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For the first limit try multiplying the expression by (sqrt(x^2 - 5x) + x)/(sqrt(x^2 - 5x) + x)

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For the second limit notice that it doesn't exist

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The second limit doesn't exist

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It's the first one

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I mean.. I was trying to solv ethe first one

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I'm trying, w8

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Yes, we're multiplying it by 1 so that it doesn't change

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Is it correct?

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That's not how you cancel terms out

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Now should you have cancelled anything there yet

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Use this: (sqrt(x^2 - 5x) - x)(sqrt(x^2 - 5x) + x) = x^2 - 5x + x^2

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The x^2 terms cancel out so the entire expression becomes this

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Web assign has the correct answer as 7, -2 however I came up with -7, 2

I have foil'ed them back, and still found my answer to be correct. Am I doing something extremely wrong with signs?

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How did you get to those answers?

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Your answer is that on the right?

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yes

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Their factorization is wrong, yours is correct

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weird because delta : 81
x1 : (-(-5) - 9)/2 = -2
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maybe that's where i'm wrong, if that's the case you saved me 👌

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what have u tried so far?

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Does anyone know what this formula represents?

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Not if you give context

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You have to find the area of the trapezium right?

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(a+b/2)h

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a and b are the two parallel sides

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h is height

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Try it

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You only have to substitute the values

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<@&268886789983436800>

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i have the magnitude of del f

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the directional derivative in direction $u$ is $\nabla f \cdot u$

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maximo

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so in your case you want $(\nabla f)(1,3) \cdot (\cos\theta, \sin\theta)$

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maximo

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what i did is

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the direction of theta = pi/3 is exactly the vector (cos theta, sin theta)

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$$ \nabla f (x, y) \cdot \vec{u} = |\nabla f (x, y)| |\vec{u}| cos (\theta)$$

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that theta is different from the theta you’re given

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the theta in the cosine is the angle between u and delf(x,y)

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which one

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the one they give you?

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the one in the question

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the direction for the directional derivative

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recall that for (r,theta) -> (x,y), we have
x = rcos(theta), y = rsin(theta)

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so for theta = pi/3, the direction for the derivative is along (cos(pi/3), sin(pi/3))

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in particular, when taking directional derivatives we care about the unit vector in that specific direction, so for an arbitrary theta, the directional derivative is:
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maximo

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oh so we're assuming this is a polar coordinates thingie

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if you’re told “in the direction theta = …” you are assuming the line with slope tan(theta)

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and r is one because its unit right?

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makes sense!

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thank u soo muchh!

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r could be 20, but we only care about the unit vector so we just take (cos theta, sin theta)

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like, the directional derivative along (cos theta, sin theta) and (100cos theta, 100sin theta) is the same since we only take the unit vector in that direction

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is (3^x)^2
9^2x
Or 9^(x²)

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$(3^x)^2=3^{2x}$

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Wait

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But what about 3 and 3 multiplying

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@shy steeple

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wdym

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don't we multiply everything there in the brackets?

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Including 3 and 3?

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maybe you're thinking of $(3x)^2=3^2x^2$

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ok, problem is solved?

neon slate
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its

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alr pointed out by als

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oh

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So

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but it is equivalent to 9^x

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?

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huh

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So (3^x)^2 isn't 3^2x ?

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3^(2x) is right yeah

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$(3^x)^2=(3^x)(3^x) = 3^{2x} = (3^2)^x = 9^x$

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huh?

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I was given

(3^x)²(3^y)=m
(3^x)(3^y)=n

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wtf is the second last one

soft zealotBOT
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wait

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hahhaa

past mesa
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Is 3^-x=n-m

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sorry

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lol

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shy steeple
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neon slate
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in short, you can apply the exponent in any order, or both exponents at once multiplied together

past mesa
shy steeple
grim nebula
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Yh

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thanks goddess

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?

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I'm rlly confused rn

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wow

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sorry

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ye

neon slate
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Solve for x and y

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um

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So

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M is 2187

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solve in terms of m and n?

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N is 177147

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WHAT

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ARE THESE NUMBERS

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Thats what you're given

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,calc 2187/3

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Result:

729
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yea ok they r

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powers of 3 i guess

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just

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(3^x)(3^y)=2187
(3^x)²(3^y)=177417

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find what it is

past mesa
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n equate the powers to powers

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using indices rules

past mesa
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like

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if weve

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3^x = 3^3

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we can equate

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x=3

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or

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3^x = 3^4

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then x=4

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So do I take top from bottom

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To get (3^-x)=177147-2187

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?

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1/3^x=177147-2187

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wait

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what

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no

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im talkin abt

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1 eq

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1 eq at a time

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so

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but we have 2 variables

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(3^x)(3^y)=2187
(3^x)²(3^y)=177417

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In each

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how can we simplify this

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ye like

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so uk

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Id take the top equation away from bottom

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so

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we can

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add the top n bott

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i mean

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like

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we can add the powers

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Add?

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given same base

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why add

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its like

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just

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if weve like

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a^2 * a^3

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its like

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a^5

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yea?

past mesa
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So add 3^x and 3^2x

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umm

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i think

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1 shld b a y

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wait how r u

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no jut

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just

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work with the

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first eq first

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simplify it

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(3^x)(3^y)=2187
(3^x)²(3^y)=177417

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so the first eq

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how can we simplify it

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how can that be simplified

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3^x+y=2187

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But that doesn't matter?

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good

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now

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how do we represent

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2187 in temrs of

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3^ something

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3^7

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,calc 3^7

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Result:

2187
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oh

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cool

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ok so

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now we can just get from this

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xy=7

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yea?

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x+y = 7

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Not xy

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oh wait

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yea

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oops

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ok now

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we repeat the same thing for the 2nd eq

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what do we get

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the hands 💀

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Tf they doin xd

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cryin

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ok anw

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(3^x)(3^y)=2187
(3^x)²(3^y)=177417

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2nd eq

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what can we get

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(3^x)^2(3^y)=177147
3^(2x+y)=177147

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mhm

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and

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whats 177147

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in terms of

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3^ ?

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3^11

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,calc 3^11

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Result:

1.77147e+5
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ye seems right

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then um

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so

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what eq do we get

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3^(x+y)=2187
3^(2x+y)=177147

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3^(x)=177147/2187 ?

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3^(x+y)=3^7
3^(2x+y)=3^11

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use this

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so

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what equations can we form from this

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so x is 81

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Sweet

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w8w8

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that

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feels

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wrong

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Wait 4

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no its wrong

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cuz 3^4

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yea

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Yhyh sweet

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so y is 3

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u shld

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Mad

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work with this instead

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3^(x+y)=3^7
3^(2x+y)=3^11

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but

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o well

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u still got it

past mesa
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my mental maths is shiz sorry

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no so

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3^(x+y)=3^7
3^(2x+y)=3^11

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from this

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we can get

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x+y = 7

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2x + y =11

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then its easier from here

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?

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How are they the same

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u just

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cuz

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3^x = 3^y

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means

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x=y

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its just

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comparing the pwoers

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yh

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powers

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cuz its the same base

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Sorry me dumb

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na

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x=4

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it happens

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y=3

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so

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yayy

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It works with my method too

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we got it

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Can I explain how I did it pls

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actually

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ye i

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know

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but sure

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go ahead

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hahhaa

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3^(2x+y)/3^(x+y)=3^11/3^y

3^(x)=3^4

x=4

3^(x+y)=7
so y=3

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OMG

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u

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r

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using the same property

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i used

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with

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3^(x)=3^4

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also

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this is

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wrong

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3^(x+y)=7

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hahah

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Lol ik what I mean

void crest
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o well

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next time

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u can just

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simplify it first

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anw

past mesa
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Yh

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good job!!

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algebruh

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yas

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harder than ur

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no real world application stuff

grim nebula
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gj guys

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thanks

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