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-# Sounds right. If thts ur values for x.
But the rule
I wanna knoe the rule for knowing which term must be made into the other
wdym by that
As in how to substitute?
You said the x^1/4 is
Yes
Maybe?
I’m wondering how you choose the term
How u choose k=?
$ax^{2p} + bx^p + c$.
-# These type of ques. You're supposed to aim for a quadratic in k.
Nicole
I’m I suppose to try this pls?
I don’t meant to be rude if it comes out rude
Perhaps
I don't get what you mean, sorry.
you can save it and reuse it for other problems, if that's what you mean.
there's nothing to be tried there, it's not a question. it's a pattern you should identify for questions of this sort.
or as i said before: pattern recognition
I think that one’s easier
My problem is the fractions ones that have to be turned into quadratic
Also thanks for the formula
probably turn into roots
you can do fractions the same way.
so now you got pretty much all info for you to do the problem, can you do it now?
No no I mean fractions like the one I just got helped solving
Idk which has to be l
K
if you want, we can take a look at an example, but I'd rather not get in the way right now so as not to break your focus.
Oh no I’d
Idm
I need all the help I can get
Mya the difficult for me even after doing well bc I forget
-# did you forget all golden rules i gave you?
Golden rule: pattern recognition
Like this one
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So should I like multiply both fractions by 2
And see which ones like is like the other?
Wdym?
like we have to terms with x
And those term have separate powers on the x that are reaction
Fraction
Wait nvm
Uh what I’m getting from the question you helped me with is
I should look at the bigger one
And turn it small.
maybe you should use another question as an example to show what you mean, so that everyone can be on the same page.
yes please
This
Can I change the x^1/2 to 1 by (x^1/2)^2
Or do I change the x ^1
Which will give you one right
just substitute $y = /root{x}$
Ary366
It I think I change the x^1 to x^1\2
wha
Yes.
$k = \sqrt{x}$
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btw the solution is 1, and 16
but, let's not confuse OP with substituting for a root first
OP?
you do this. doing the former will change the effective exponent on the sqrt(x) term, which is not allowed
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oh
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we're working based on this atm.
atm?
at the moment.
ok, i am a nube at chatting
oh ok ok
Tysm
isn't the problem solved?
no. the problem is not solved until the OP says it is.
Do I do x^1/2)2
if u meant $(x^{1/2})^2 = x$, then yes.
Ok!
if you mean (x^(1/2))^2, correct
Kaladin.
alright I think there are too many ppl here, so I'll excuse myself. gl with the problem OP!
-# lot of ppl here what's the matter
tysm
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I have a question about differentiating
yes sorry im busy drawing it in paint to show
no problem
sorry for my awful handwriting i just decided to send my book instead
you see where i drew a star on my page, when i move the exponent back under after differentiating and you are making it positive again do you drop the negative?
you drop the negative for the power, but keep it for the term
like -x^(-2) becomes -1/x^(2)
yes
You made 20 positive when bringing it over by accident
just send the minus term to the other side and it becomes positive
no problem man
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uh umm this is a weird one
lhopital abandoned me on this one
Lhopital is generally not a good method anyway
Do you know Taylor series ?
sure
That should work
which taylor series workshere 
You develop each 1/f(kx) in taylor series
,, \frac{1}{1- (kx)^{p}}
Hi
Yup
hum..
oh this is the generating function one maybe
idk what do they call it $\frac{1}{1-x} = 1 + x + x^2 ...$
Hi
Kind of, but stop at first term
at 1?
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At x
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Can anyone help me understand how to do synthetic division
I mean there s plenty of videos
On youtube
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is this the horner method?
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Hello, what does the "o" do in f o theta?
Like functions from E to E?
Yep
Okok
Ah ok, it's not written as $f \circ \theta$, they have used word for that
Mor Bras
And R is a binary relation
Yep , skill issue from our teacher
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My friend said it's like "one move theatre popcorn is 4 dollars and a ticket is 3 dollars another theatre popcorn is 3 dollars and the ticket is 4 dollars and we have to rewrite it graph it and write an equation
Can you help with this type of question
How to rewrite it graph and write an equation for it tho
Graph what??
there arent any variables here
Exactly
Equation?? What even is the variable???
Bags of popcorn ig
could you give an example of an actual problem like this that you need help with? i dont understand what you are trying to ask
Are you sure your friend is not trolling you? 🙈
Idk I wasn't there so idk
My school during the test
Ohh so this was an exercise on the test and you were absent?
Are you 100% sure the question was that one?
She said it was smth like that but not the actual problem
There we go, as I expected
No like not the exact numbers but that's how it was set up
Without the original we can't help you
Not because we don't want, but because what you reported doesn't make sense
I understand
it was probably that they price it a certain way and then you're calculating profit based off of customers
I was thinking maybe it wanted to make a graph to see like when they'd cost the same pric
and the variable is money earned
Price*
well theres two sets of prices and it doesnt give a rate of whether they're increasing them or decreasing them
Yea
so i think your friend explained it badly
Alr ty
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i dont really understand
the solution
can someone help plz
thx
if you message feel free to ping me i dont mind
im just doing some hw while i wait
sqrt(108306)
idk what i did
And 234
thats in an alternate question
the one im looking for is
In the figure, what is the area of triangle ABD? Express your answer as a common fraction.
So I first found the area of certain triangles and found the length of certain lines
So ACB = 14, ACF = 6, ECB = 7
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and AF = 5, EB = sqrt(53) and AB = sqrt(65)
Okay
and i dont know what to do
I thought AED and DFB had same heights but no
and if i try to subtract ACF, i cant get efb and vice versa
also for context i dont know coord geometry
so thats all i know
wait what?
can you elaborate
wait no it's not
that's not a right triangle
holy
I am way too tired
Sorry but I need to go to sleep it seems 😭
Can't even see angles right
Its ok
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this the question provided
correction, this is 40 + 0 + 0
dot product adds all the coefficient products together
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and the formula in general is $|a\cdot(b\times c)|$, but since here you got a positive result it didn't matter
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also quick fix to the b x c computation
it's (8,-4,-5) I think
1 * 1 - 3 * 2
oh yea
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hi
(d) There can be at most one maximum element
I'm trying to prove this
Let $x$ be the maximum of a set $X$ with a partial order $\leq$. Let $x'$ be another maximum of $X$. Because $x$ is a maximum, $x' \leq x$. Because $x'$ is a maximum, $x \leq x'$. Because of the Antisymmetric Axiom of partial orders, $x = x'$ so there is one distinct maximum element.
toast
And here is asimple proof i wrote up
I think it's right
but why aren't maximal elements unique?
like wouldnt both y and x be maximals, but theyre the same element?
how do you know that x and x' are comparable?
hm
well i would assume x' and x are both in X
but ig that doesnt mean theyre comparable
wait i see
you can only assume x and x' are comparable if $\leq$ is linear?
toast
Let $x$ be a maximal element for a linear partial order $\leq$ on a set $X$. By definition of linear, $X$ is a chain, that is any two elements are pairwise comparable. Let $x'$ be an arbitrary element of $X$. Note because $X$ is a chain, $x$ and $x'$ are comparable, so either $x' \leq x$ or $x \leq x'$. If $x' \leq x$, we are done. If $x \leq x'$, by definition of maximal element, $x = x'$. So $x' \leq x$, thus $x$ is a maximum.
toast
here is my proof for f (a maximal element in a linear order is a maximum)
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hey uhm im wondering how to find The cross-section of the plane (α) passes through A and is perpendicular to SC.
with ABCD is a square, O is the centroid of ABCD, and SO ⟂ (ABCD)
the only thing that i can do is draw AM ⟂ SC
but thats not enough
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can you reformulate your question
whats plane alpha
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Can someone help me with composite functions?
What's your question?
Wait Im gonna screenshot give me a second
I am trying to get the meaning of this, im reading some tutorial on composite functions but I don't really understand it
Composite function is basically when you put one function as an input to the other
(f ◦ g)(4)
(f ◦ g)(x) means f(g(x))
What is the symbol between f and g?
it is called f of g(x) sometimes
Ok so In this question that I sent, (f o g)(x) will be f is the input function for g function?
Hmm, i think you reversed it
output of function g for x will be the input for f function?
(f o g)(x) means that we first calculate g(x), and then plug that as an input to f(x)
So e.g. to compute (f ◦ g)(4), we need to find f(g(4)). We start by finding g(4), that's 5 * 4 = 20. Now we put that as an input to f, so f(g(4)) = f(20)
now we need to compute f(20)
ok? Let me try? It's weird I didn't know you cando that in math
which would be -30
Nested functions 
Are you familiar with programming?
Yes, that's why I mentioned this
def f(x):
return 10-2*x
def g(x):
return 5*x
print(f(g(4)))```
this is computing (f o g)(4)
Which lang is that
I don't think that going to programming would help this
But ok I got the main idea
So I take the value of g(x) which is = 5x, and put this 5x into f(5x) = 10 - 2(5x)?
Exactly that
Yeah
or f composed with g
So this is a composite of 2 functions?
How do I know in which order should I solve them?
No I got this, I get the main idea
composition of two functions
Ok so can there be more than 2 functions in a composite?
composition*
and yes you can chain as many as you want
nothing stops you from taking like 8 functions and composing them in one big chain
So it's basically putting output of 1 function to anotehr function, and it's called composition of functions
like $f_1(f_2(f_3(f_4(f_5(f_6(f_7(f_8(x))))))))$
Ann
that is exactly what it is
And it's literally g of f
function f for the input of function g
f o g is f of g
g o f is g of f
"f o g is f of g
g o f is g of f"
How can I note that big composition into the symbols?
$f_1 \circ f_2 \circ f_3 \circ \dots \circ f_8$
Ann
And to read it, you can just keep chaining the "of"s
f1 of f2 of f3 ...
So f8 is the first function, f7 takes f8's output and put it's into itself
its like concentric layers of onion
im not a "man" but you're welcome
Man, in the sense of a human
i had a much more gruesome comparison in mind tbh
What
more gruesome than this i mean
but i will not say it unless someone specifically says they want to hear it
I want to hear it
I kinda want to hear it now..
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yh yap it out
I don't even know what is this
holy shit ok
@modulators
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im green
Ok then solve more tickets i guess?
like the username becomes green
yh ig
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Foundations
Are these both correct or is one correct and the other is or are they both incorrect
I'll ask him
And how do you define complement?
Is this someone else's proof?
Why don't they come here instead?
They don't speak english
Do they speak arabic, or what language?
He said if x in A' then x ~in A
Like that's the def.
Yes
And what exactly is X?
Which I suppose is defined in a way that every x belongs to it
Exactly
Yeah, so the first proof is alright, just replace T <-> x in A with T <-> x in X
i suppose that's a typo
He said yes
in the second proof, this part is kinda weird
I can understand the -> direction, that follows just by A subset X
The left side of <=> is the same from the first line to the last so we both didn't write it in all the others
X in (AUA')
In all the other lines
The only small issue is that the <- direction isnt justfied just by A subset X here
(x in X) v (x in X) -> (x in X) -> (x in A) v (x in X)
it's not too difficult to justify the <- direction, but it isnt justified just by A subset X
This further explains what I mean
However the professor doesn't write it to save time
yeah, i understand that part
Ok so what's the issue
But what you're claiming here (this is the 2nd proof) is
(x in A) v (x in X)
<-> (x in X) v (x in X)
and you justify it by A subset X
which works for the -> direction
but <-> consists of 2 directions
the other direction, <-, is justified a bit differently
Wdym
In my opinion …..the denominator could be 2 in the last line…..Is it correct…..?
For the <- direction, you'd have to prove that if
(x in X) v (x in X), then (x in A) v (x in X)
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But the other direction is x is in AUA'
We used <=> and the def on union since p<=>p = T
My point is that you need to justify both why the next line follows from the current one and why the current one follows from the next line
A subset X only justified why (x in X) v (x in X) follows from (x in A) v (x in X)
it doesnt justify the other direction
yes x ∈ X doesn't imply x ∈ A
The reverse direction can actually still be justified
x in X v x in X -> x in X -> x in A v x in X
thanks to the or
Unfortunately the professor didn't teach us none of this
She used contradiction in her solution
The students asked if they could use something other than contradiction
Want me to show you her full proof?
Using C!
sure
Ic, so she does use at least some words
I'd probably learn to do that as well
you can use words in your proofs
Yeah thx
Anyway, other than that minor nitpick, your proof is correct
just keep in mind that when you write <->, you need to justify both directions
in this case, you were kinda lucky (or maybe you knew of it, idk)
So no.2 is correct
Lol I didn't please tell me why
To prove my point, here is a proof that x in A <-> x in X:
x in A <-> x in X (A subset X)
I did practically the same thing as you, I replaced x in A with x in X, because A is a subset of X
but in this case, it is completely wrong to do that with <->
what I could say is
x in A -> x in X (A subset X)
This would be valid and justified
without justification
Yeah, but I cant really justify that in general
Ok
How can I justify mine
If x in X is just T for you, you can do:
x in A v x in X
<-> x in A v T (x in X is T)
<-> T (P v T = T)
<-> x in X
Based on the info I gave you about what our proffesor taught us
Could it have been possible that no.1 used AI
Because when I asked him to explain he mentioned none of what you explained here
Yes
Like you're asking whether this proof used AI?
I dont think so
Not necessarily
but it's possible, i cant say
Noted
All together, do you recommend the students sticking to C! To prove since our teacher didn't teach us how to prove using other methods?
I think that both ways are fine tbh
And ofc use words lmao
Ok
Yeah, especially as your proofs will get more complicated, words will become more and more important
Thanks a lot I really appreciate your patience
np
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these conditionals in general
is there a general pattern here
I did A/2 = ...
B/2= ...
C/2 = ...
Looked messy
I am doing number a rn
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so I don't understand how i got part b wrong. I found the line that arg π/6 would be and then substituted it into the equation for the circle to find where they intersect. And then tried finding the modulus of that. but its not right, i checked my workings so i dont think i made any mistakes there, im not sure tho
you might have not gotten credit because you didn't write z explicitly, and/or you never specified what x and y were
unless if the green was you checking your work?
ill keep that in mind when i do other questions ig
the problem is actually somewhere in your self-check
ohhh
wait what line exactly
or are you expecting me to check everything again
well all of the work is omitted so I can't say, but the expression containing the radical is just not (sqrt(6)-1) / 2
you should find that $|x+iy|^2=\left(\frac{3\sqrt2-\sqrt3}{2}\right)^2+\left(\frac{\sqrt6-1}{2}\right)^2=7-2\sqrt6=(\sqrt6-1)^2$
Flip
wait why do you not root that? i thought to find modulus you had to square root (x^2+y^2)
you do, but you don't need the radical until the very end so I just work out |x+iy|^2 and then take the square root when I'm done
like in the end I write $|x+iy|=\sqrt{|x+iy|^2}=\sqrt{(\sqrt6-1)^2}=|\sqrt6-1|=\sqrt6-1$
ohh sorry i forgot that the ans here is squares
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Why can’t 5x1 + 5x2 +6 =0 ?
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Because $x_1$ and $x_2$ are in the domain $\bR_+$
SWR
Happens to the best of us
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f(x) = 10ln(x-4) + 1
i have to find the domaine and variation so i need b
The domain and range?
variation is increasing ]?,?[ and decreasing ]?,?[
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How do i start with this proof? Our current unit is using double derivatives to find inflexion points
9a i mean
what have u tried
I took the first and second derivative to get f'(x) = 3ax^2+2bx+c and f"(x)=6ax+2b
But i dont really know how to start
f'(x)=0
3ax^2 + 2bx + c = 0
Have a single point of inflexion?
stationary points are the ____ of this quadratic eq
Roots
good
Wait
Is this like
I throw it in the quadratic formula and show that discriminant has to be positice
Oh wait yeah that works
Thank you!
Lemme just solve this on paper before closing the channel to know i did it correctly
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for number 4 do you know the rule of rule of exponents
when it’s a negative
Yes
No
Do you know that $(a^b)^c = a^{bc}$
Ari
It'd be easier to just multiply all the exponents instead of doing 3 computations
yeah true
No
well that's a good one to know
You have exponents on the 81:
- -2
- 1/2 (from the square root)
- 1/4
multiply thoe
So should i just apply a^(-n)=1/a^n
you can but it isn't essential here
yup
what data have you got
.
yes, i can see the questions
im asking you to read the diagram and tell me what congruence data you've got
I think RHS
i wanted you to list it out in more detail:
- a pair of right angles
- a pair of equal hypotenuses
- and a shared side
so yes RHS. because the right angle isnt between the sides involved so SAS can't apply
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so i am currently watching this calculus course by freecodecamp.org, but on 9:09:09, it skipped to integrals without teaching anything about them previously. both in their pre-calc course and the calculus course
can anyone tell me just enough knowledge about integrals for me to understand what she is saying for topic "proof of mean value theorem"? also isnt she supposed to +c? thanks
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this is a weird order to put the sections in, especially considering that the mean value theorem is stated in terms of integrals rather than derivatives.
you could consider skipping to 10:27:45 (Antiderivatives) and watching until 11:22:17, end of The Fundamental Theorem of Calculus II to get an idea of how these two theorems are equivalent
wait disregard. they posted the wrong section during that interval, they link to the correct video in the description
@fading creek here's what you need
A proof of Rolle's Theorem and the Mean Value Theorem. Calculus 1.
oh thanks! didnt see that
i almost didnt see it either :D
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$W = \int \vec F\cdot \dd{\vec s}$
the "dx" in the integral is the displacement
hayliänus austrǎlis
well yes, you're summing up a bunch of force * very tiny displacements, over the path of the object
in this case it's made easier by the fact that the object is traveling in a straight line, and your force is being applied along that line; so the fact that it's a vector isn't that important
but the fact that the force changes as you pull it is important
to make it more concrete:
- you first have to stretch it from 10cm to 11cm, this takes 2N of force over 1cm so 2cJ of work
- then you stretch it from 11cm to 12cm, this takes 2.2N of force over 1cm so 2.2cJ of work
- then you stretch it from 12cm to 13cm, this takes 2.4N of force over 1cm so 2.4cJ of work
- ...
- then you stretch it from 19cm to 20cm, this takes 3.8N of force over 1cm so 3.8cJ of work
but that's not really precise is it? you could work with mm instead of cm and get a more accurate result with more stages
an integral is just "what if we worked with infinitely small stages and infinitely many of them
"
also ty for the excuse to use centijoules as a unit that was fun
well i did multiply by the displacement in that example
yes this
i assume the question here is like how much water is required to fill this to a certain height
like lifting the whole container?
wouldn't that just be the weight of the whole thing * 1m?
ohhh i see
generally for these you figure out how much energy it takes to lift one "slice" of water ("infinitely thin") up and out
so you'll have a factor associated with the height you have to lift it to, and a factor associated with how big that rectangle is
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I think here we can use bernoulli,s theorem
to find out the height
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can ya help me with this geometry problem
we have a pyramid S.ABCD with ABCD is a square
Find the cross-section cut by the plane (α) passing through point A and (α) perpendicular to SC
the only thing that ive done is draw AM ⟂ SC
but that's not enough
draw lines in planes SDC and SBC passing thru M and perp to SC
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what;s this even supposed to be asking me
which sentence do you not understand?
There are basically three questions
- Let E be any closed subset of R. Is it possible to find a differentiable f with zero set E?
- Let E be any closed subset of R. Is it possible to find an n-times differentiable f with zero set E?
- Let E be any closed subset of R. Is it possible to find a smooth f with zero set E?
in case the wording was confusing
The wording was confusing
Thansk a lot!
I suppose if yes, I have to give an example of a function for each
or is proving existance possible
yes
yes to the 2nd ?
I don't think coming up with a function is possible here though is it
the cantor function will wreck havoc
have you seen the exp(-1/x) thing
$e^{-1/x}$?
wai
yes you basically use this as the building block for smooth bump functions
hmm
I'll think a bit more I guess
thanks!
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Does anyone have practice resources for 10th grade math(general) aka 16 year old
Non-video is preferred, thanks
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What means invertible here?
I can't solve c
invertible means that g is a one to one function
What means one to one
different values are never the same
they have their own image
Yeah but isn't that how all the functions work?
nope
What
its not incorrect
there are functions when inputted different values for x give same output
take for example
f(x)=x^2
The vertical line test shows this function is correct
for a inverse theres a horizontal line test
Never heard about horizontal line test
So If the function is one to one, there is no inverse for the function?
if the function is one to one, there is a inverse for the function
how is this an incorrect function
"Remember that each input must have only one output to be an official function."
So one-to-one function is not a official function?
You interpreted that incorrect
one function cannot give more than one outputs
not that the outputs can be equal
cant*
In one-to-one function input is same as output?
i can make $f(x) = 1$
1 divided by 0 equals Infinity
So what is the connection to this?
Ok
I think visualizing with a arrow head diagram will be easier
exactly
Ok this is the invertible?
yup
So If I put -1 into the g function, Ill get 4 in y?
if you put 1 you'll get 4
What about -1 for x
not given
So I can't solve it?
you mean c?
Yes
What
But there is no g(2)
So how can I know what to put into g^-1
Oh ok because they cancel each other out
Ill get back X
Ok I did calculations and it appears right
yes
I hate AI explaining math, that's why I am here
How can I proove that x = 2?
firestepper
So this is the definition
But it doesn't explicitly say that x is equal to 2 here
It just shows the definition of inverse function
Its by definition
unless you know the function you can't really prove it
you just have the table
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http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?p=2317090 uhh the aops links for sols isn't working where should i read the sols
Prob 52
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okay
Well not really I've been case working abit
it's a congruency exercise
I just wanted to know where should i read the sols
You could start thinking about the prime factorization of p^q + p^r if it were a square number
-# ||WLOG q < r||
Not sure we have q and r different necessarily
-# ||since if q = r then it ain't square if p is odd||
Yrp
Hmm can u prove it?
Let's start thinking about p = 2, it was hinted at a bit
Wait
-# ||the following = 2p^r if q = r, use the prime factorization||
Yeah if it was 2 it isn't square
But how bout >2
Not sure about that statement
We can start talking about p > 2 if you want
Ah yeah if the exponent is odd it indeed square
Yes please
to prove, consider the prime factorization if p is odd
The prime factorization of p^q + p^r*
If q = r, then this is 2p^q = 2 * odd
So can't be a perfect square
So if q < r
You can maybe find out what q must be?
-# q and r are prime btw
Hmm
Hint: ||biggest common factor||
Uhh
What is the biggest common factor between p^q and p^r?
Factor what?
p^q + p^r
the expression?
Hmm interesting
what do you get?
P^q-r)+1)p^q
$p^q(p^{r-q} + 1)$
1 divided by 0 equals Infinity
He need more latex
lmao
We case bash with this?
Wait yeah it need to be square
I think I'll take it myself after this
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help please
i took x-a as a, x-b as b and x-c as c
idk how to water it down to one of these 4 forms
multiply first column by a second by b and so on, then you see 3rd row is abc
