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Yes
Oh yeah it is
Zavier 🌺
Then $L \cong k^2$
Zavier 🌺
Yeah sure
Zavier 🌺
That’s where you just multiply the elements of k together right?
That gives you infinitely many ideals
Using that k is a field
No
It is the one which sends every pair to zero
As trivial as it gets
Okay, what’s this then
The abelian bracket is ab - ba right
Oh you’re using no gap to represent the brackets
Oh nvm the abelian bracket is just [x,y] = 0
Yeah
I was thinking of the commutator bracket
This with the minus sign says it’s all 0
(Note that they are identical for a 1d lie alg)
With [x, y] = -[y, x] implies [x, y] = 0 for all x, y
Which I’m happy with
Anyway
So first I look at k² with the trivial bracket?
Okay
Intuitively, the ideals are "lines"
Huh?
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i mean just think of R^2. The ideals are the linear subspaces
which are literally lines through the origin
I need to think about that
So let’s say y = 2x, if I pick 2 points (1, 2) and (2, 4) and bracket them I get (2, 8)?
No I bracket them I get 0?
are you sure? the bracket here just sends everything to 0
yeah and 0 is in the ideal
i mean an ideal is defined to be a linear subspace + closed under bracketing
so the linear subspace condition alone forces lines, {0} or the whole space
Hmm I’m forgetting the linear part
I was thinking ring ideals
So what’s wrong with my solution then
you should check yourself if what you have defined are indeed ideals, im having a tough time reading it
Oh obviously they aren’t closed under scaling
I’d need something like l¹ = 2 l² and then this is an actual linear subspace
Then go S_a is when l¹ = al² but then this is the same as the lines interpretation
Aha
Thank you!
Now do I really need that dim L1 = 1? Or that L1 iso L2? Or is that just convenient?
You need it to make the bracket trivial
Do I have to have the trivial bracket tho
Or does this just make it trivially true that it’s an ideal so we don’t need to check that part
I mean here we needed it. Idk what happens in general
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Not really sure how to approach this question
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in part a, the impulse recieved sets the particle in a direction perpendicular to its motion so using this try to draw a rough figure of all impulses and momentum of particle
yeah
gimme a sec ill pull up what i had drawn first
this is what u thought
but not sure if this is right or where to go from this
Yeah thats right!
See now the impulse imparted wont alter the initial velocity right?
As in the particle will keep moving in the same direction with the same speed but it will also simulataneoulsy move up
yeah kinda so would it be moving in the direction of where i drew V?
So the velocities (left and up) when added together in vector notation will give the magnititude of the resultant velocity right?
Yeah
So first lets calc its velocity upwards
it would be I/m right?
where m is mass (2kg)
is this like rearranging the impulse formula
so pythagoras?
The resultant velocity (mag) will be
yeah
Okey
so i was thinking of using the other equation for imupulse I = m(v-u) , and then reaarange to get I +mu = mv
but not sure where to go from this
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see the thing here is that
Impulse is a vector
So inital velocity in the upward direction is zero
so we can treat I = m(v-0)
is this questions kind of saying mv is the resultant vector right?
okaoakao
you mean momentum no?
mv is final momentum, v is final velocity
and is this also sayign the same thing then?
yeah
np
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oh yeah lemme quickly do it
we still have part b btw
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,w 100 = (2.8)^2 + x^2
Yeah thats correct!
yessirrr
-# (But the negative one is also correct btw)
doesnt matter anyways since they ask mag
welp now for Q2 what do you have
as in diag?
you mean for part b right?
essentially i think this part im pretty chill at - what im thinking is we know there gonna be the wall above it, and so like this
and then we can find the angles from our triangle from previou answer
Yeah
But
becareful tho when you apply restitution formulae
They are only valid for velocities normal to their plane of striking
lemme see what i get 😉
i got 7/32
yeah i think so
,w 7/32
v=eu right
uhm now where did i go wrong
hmm
what did you take v as btw
i took v as 5
then resolved that into up and right speeds
since it was the speed the ball was moving at in part a
oh i see
np
,w (1.75)^2 = (1.4)^2 + x^2
hmm
,w 1.05/4.8
Yeah its correct
good job!
tho i dont know how you got exact 7/32 fraction wise
i put into calc
so like 1.4^2 + 4.8^2*e^2 = 1.75^2 then solve for e is what i did
😭 dw bro
thanks for the help as always 😉
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Hi!! This is for my quantitative methods in social sciences class, we’re using SPSS as a computing system but the textbook says that the learning program doesn’t help with calculating the critical value for the confidence interval, nor the margin of error.
Can someone help me calculate both? I’m not sure what to do, I have filled out the confidence levels from my SPSS output so I have a start!
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Hey!! So sorry
Can you help me find the confidence interval critical value? And the margin of error?
using the info from the table
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hello me and meefs have a question
anybody know why the conic gets interrupted by the circle / another way to construct a conic as the inversions of the envelope of a circle?
basically rn, the conic is the locus of points of the inversions from the tangents of A over circle C
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Hi i would need help with doing differential homogenous equation bc im stuck at this one part on what to do with this
wihch part??
How do i integrate the fraction on left?
let t = v-1
This is the answer but idk how it turned into -2 with 1/ v-1
forget about the answer key
$\int \frac{2}{(v-1)^2} , dv = -\frac{2}{v-1} + C$
Chetan???
#whatdatmean
$\int \frac{2}{(v-1)^2} \dd{v} = \int \frac{2}{t^2} \dd{t}$
#whatdatmean
$=\int 2t^{-2}\dd{t}$
#whatdatmean
quick tip : if the function has a degree of 1, u can treat it like .. x
basically sin(2x-a) integration would be -cos(2x-a)/2 or
i guess this is where u were stuck??
$= 2\int t^{-2}\dd{t}$
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$=2 \frac{t^{-2+1}}{-2+1}$
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$=\frac{-2}{t} = \frac{-2}{v-1}$
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- Two polynomials f(x) and g(x) with a leading coefficient of 1 satisfy the following conditions. When f(x) is divided by x^2 - 1, the quotient is Q(x) and the remainder is R(x), where R(1) = 5. Find the value of Q(-2) + R(2).
[ Conditions ]
(a) g(x) is a cubic polynomial.
(b) The quotient and the remainder of f(x) divided by g(x) are the same.
(c) g(1) = g(-1) = 0, g(2) = 6
(d) f(1) = f(-1) + 4
① 2 ② 4 ③ 6 ④ 8 ⑤ 10
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did you try defining the quotient and remainder functions in question
say g(x) = ax³+bx²+cx+d and the quotient/remainder function mentioned in b) is h(x)
try writing all conditions mentioned as equations now
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Tried but idk after making some simple things
@analog wing were you able to find g(x)
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g(x) = x(x^-1)
🥀 sorry bro I tried helping I'm kinda stupid
with c, if g(1)=g(-1)=0 then they are roots and note that since the leading coefficient is 1, then there is only one possible thing to multiply to the factors (x-1)(x+1) to get a cubic polynomial with a leading coefficient of 1 leading to g(x)=x(x-1)(x+1)=x^3-x
with the question itself, reconfiguring the given gives us f(x)=Q(x) * (x^2-1)+R(x)
substituting x=1 gives us f(1)=Q(1) * 0+R(1)=5, so now we know f(-1)=1 since f(1)-4=f(-1)
with that, we can get f(-1)=1=Q(-1) * 0+R(-1) => R(-1)=1
with b, let q(x) be the quotient and remainder of f(x)/g(x)
you can reconfigure it to f(x)=q(x)g(x)+q(x)
notice how q(x)g(x) is divisible by x^2-1, Q(x)=q(x) * x and R(x)=q(x)
(note that R(x) doesn't change due to: f(x)=Q(x)g(x)/x+R(x) )
so we can understand that Q(x) and R(x) differ by only one degree
from here
not entirely sure how to continue
One of the hardest problem fr
I mean I do know that you can now express f(x) as a function of q(x)(x+1) so that gives us that that since it is also equal to q(x)(g(x)+1) there is some bsery going on in the last paragraph I made up
probably in the equivalence of f(x)=Q(x)g(x)/x+R(x)=q(x)g(x)+q(x)
at the very least we do know R(x) has a degree of at least one
f(x) = g(x) h(x) + h(x) and idk h(x)'s value
do u mean x(x^2-1)
X^ ax+ b is so
Yeah alr solved that
you can make assumptions around Q(x) and R(x) based from h(x) but I'm iffy on that
you can see it from the thing I said
notice how g(x)/x=x^2-1
f(x)/(g(x)/x)=Q(x)+R(x)/(x^2-1)=>f(x)/g(x)=Q(x)/x+R(x)/x(x^2-1)=Q(x)/x+R(x)/g(x) wait a minute
wait is the assumption true
r u not gonna read the wall of text I sent
it would help partly
this is probably some factor theorem application I'm too dumb to understand
were you able to write some set of equations like this at least
try working with c) first
they got c
f(1)=R(1)??
Guys, I think I have a easier fact to point out, I dont know if you got it already or no
Yeah 5 ig
May I ?
wait ok so w/ b, q(x) has a degree less than the degree of g(x) which means q(x) is 2nd degree and with f(x) having a leading coefficient of 1, q must also have a leading coefficient of 1 so q(x)=x^2+ax+b and as we did get earlier f(x)=q(x)g(x)+q(x)=q(x)(g(x)+1), now since f(1)=5=q(1)(0+1)=q(1) and f(-1)=1=q(-1)(0+1)=5
so um you can get a series of equations to then get f(x)
We can find the g(x) by given information, it's a cubic polynomial with 2 of its roots given to us, you can find the whole of g(x) as g(2) is given
After that we can find Q(x)
f(1)=R(1) because f(x)=Q(x) * (x^2-1)+R(x)=Q(1) * 0+R(1) for x=1 or x=-1
Oh got it
so like 5=1+a+b, 1=1-a+b so a and b=2, so q(x)=x^2+2x+2 so ||f(x)=(x^2+2x+2)(x^3-x+1)|| now you just have to get Q(x) from there and R(x) by dividing by x^2-1 (hint: you can separate the function into ||(x^2+2x+2)(x^3-x)+(x^2+2x+2)||
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how to prove this for a subjective exam
the solution allows for a "crude approximation"
but i'm looking for something watertight
water tight 
subjective exam?
what does that mean
lol-
like theres an objective portion
and a portion where you write down stuff
how can maths be subjective
ok whatever. this is besides the point
huh?
Prove n!>3^n for n>8 via induction
Formal mathematics where you need to proof writing & stuff
logarithms
well that dont help 
alright lemme try that out
what is a log gonna do for factorials htough
On LHS, we will have to pull out every power of 2, which isn't that much of a big task to be very honest..
Oh right
Prove $n! > 4^n$ via induction. It works for $n \ge 9$ i think.
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You just do the box & keep diving by 2 ?
Yeah that ought to work
ah
out of curiosity, is this CMI 2021
will i have to state it working when and where?
yeah
omg
i mean yes............
It's water tight
this is a fun problem
you can pair up every product of the factorial which gives you ten different products
no make fun of me T_T
it should be easy to prove that each of those products are all at least equal to 20
Sorry it was srs
phew
which is going to be greater than 16 each
yeahhh
so many people talking in this thread lol
as @sand quarry said, try rewriting the factorial. think like n! = 1 * 2 * 3 * … * n. then try pairing each term from the ends. for example, pair (1 * 20), (2 * 19) etc
one you do that, look at where the largest value happens (aka, which multiplication pair gives the largest value)
its basically what this is all about anyway
my favorite solution to this is to ||write out the prime factorization of 20! and replace all the primes with 2||
but you dont need induction
since its just one case
you dont need to generalise for all n
true i guess that could be overkill
yeah i guess thats the general consensus
like
manipulating the values
n stuff
If you took it as a fact I meant you could argue easily why it's false
wdym
Since n!>4^n for n>8 then 2^20>20! is false
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Hi, I would like some help solving a series problem. I've tried everything I can think of but I can't even get in the right direction, I don't want the full answer, just to find out what the correct direction is. The question is as in the attached picture.
I've tried to rearrange e part into different forms of sin and cos, but that doesn't help. I also tried treating it as the sum of a geometric series with common ratio re^inφ. I don't even understand how the sum is convergent, because even though I have to find the absolute value squared (which reduces the e section in every part of the sum to 1) the r^n is divergent unless 0<r<1, but that wasn't specified in the question. I also checked the answer in the back of the book in case the answer was that the sum was divergent, but it gives a finite expression that also includes φ which disproves my thought that the e part is reduced to 1 in the absolute.
I'm just not sure where I'm going wrong.
Any help is much appreciated!
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You’re correct that this is a geometric series, but the common ratio isn’t just $r$. Note that
$$r^n e^{in \varphi}=\left(re^{i\varphi} \right)^n.$$
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Oh sorry, I must have mistyped. I have tried that as the common ratio but I couldn't get it to work.
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Okay, give me a second to take a picture
Sorry the picture didn't work. I tried to use the formula for the sum of a geometric series, which is (R^n-1)/(R-1), in this case substituting R for re^iφ. when I did that and set the limit for n->infinity I got it to be lim(n->inf) -e^inφ
I finally got a picture. Sorry for messy working
How did you swap the limits and absolute values like that
And why not just use the formula for the sum of an infinite geometric series directly
$$\sum \cdots=\frac{1}{1-re^{i\varphi}}$$
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That looks correct, how did you get that?
And why not just use the formula for the sum of an infinite geometric series directly
$$|r|<1 \implies \sum^{\infty}_{n=0} ar^n=\frac{a}{1-r}$$
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The proof goes as you did to find the sum of the finite and take the limit as n -> inf
You just did some very confusing stuff after that which I’m not in a position to parse atm
Oh right, I was using the formula for the sum when not infinite, a-r^n/1-r. But how can we be sure that re^iφ is less than 1?
You implicitly assume the series converges otherwise you can’t find a closed form answer. Of course, this requires |r|<1.
Note that the magnitude of the exponential is 1
Okay, that makes a lot more sense now. Thank you so much for your help
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A translation would help
Alternatively, you could wait for someone who knows the language to show up
Yes, these are just for the graphs, I will translate momentarily
The first screenshot reads “function f has a primitive function F. Below is the graph to F”
The question I’m having trouble with is :
“Another function f has a primitive function G. One of the graphs A-F shows primitive function G. Which of the graphs show G if g(x)dx=3?”
So, the question essentially wants to know which graph shows G if it has the area of 3 from between 0 and 1 on the x axis
Specifically, as far as I know, integrals show the total area within a function, but the total area of all the graphs shown is more than 3
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You are confusing what the integral $\ds\int_0^1g(x)\dd x$ is calculating. Yes, it calculates the area under the curve $g(x)$, but the graphs shown in A-F are that of $G(x)$ (the primitive function) NOT $g(x)$
You have to use the fundamental theorem of calculus to connect them
Do you know that
I am not familiar with that, no
,, \int_a^b g(x) \dd x = G(b) - G(a)
This, basically
Ah, I see, so in order to find the correct G it’s the difference between 1 and 0
Yes.
Exactly
G(1) - G(0) = 3, to be specific
Just to clarify
Can there be more than one correct answer
Given we aren’t given the equation, I’m unsure how to solve this?
I would assume it’s B graph, since it’s the only point where y=3
Youre given the graphs, though
You just have to see which one(s) give you a difference of 3
I am unsure how that translates into a graph, though
y=3 is the only info we’re given
Look at B
Yeah
Can you evaluate G(0) and G(1)
0,2 and 1,3
What is G(1) - G(0)
Is it 3
No
1,2 and 0,3 gives -1
Not that either, then
Not 0 but it's too small of a difference to be 3 anyway
Yay :D
While I’m here
How do I properly write out an integral? I know you have to find the primitive
Actually, I’ll just write it and take a pic
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I'm not able to solve this question.
Let $A = \left{\frac{1}{n} : n \in \mathbb{N}\right}$, $B = A \cup {0}$, $I = [0,1]$ and let:
$$X = A \times I, Y = B \times I, Z = Y \cup {(x,0) : 0 \leq x \leq 1}$$
and gave $X, Y, Z$ the relative topology to $\mathbb{R}^2$.
Determinate if $X,Y,Z$ are connected, local connected, path-connected or local path-connected.
I have solved for $X$ and $Y$, but not for $Z$.
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can someone help me get started on this problem
use parallelepiped / triple scalar product formula
sorry idk what that formula is
In geometry, a parallelepiped is a three-dimensional figure formed by six parallelograms (the term rhomboid is also sometimes used with this meaning). By analogy, it relates to a parallelogram just as a cube relates to a square.
Three equivalent definitions of parallelepiped are
a hexahedron with three pairs of parallel faces,
a polyhedron with...
You can try to construct two vectors that span this parallelogram, then the magnitude of their cross product returns the area iirc
In geometry and algebra, the triple product is a product of three 3-dimensional vectors, usually Euclidean vectors. The name "triple product" is used for two different products, the scalar-valued scalar triple product and, less often, the vector-valued vector triple product.
the triple product has 3 vectors
it's normal, in a parallelogram one point among four is given by the other 3
you only have 3 vectors
do you know the difference between a vector and a point?
yea
so why do you think the triple product has only 3 points
so make one point zero and translate all the remaining points
it said it requires three vectors
i don't think you understand
vertices (the points you're given) don't have direction. vectors do
to form a vector from two points, you take their difference
okay
e.g. in two dimensions:
so do i make one point of the 3d verticies 0
and transalate the remaining three points
you're given the equivalent of OA (point from origin to A) and OB (point from origin to B)
try it and see
star deleted his/her method and I don't know why, it worked and was the easiest too
its not deleted
It's still here but I get as usually ignored
nah I read and liked the answer : )
just couldn't see it again when I read again
the reason it works is elegant too, the magnitude of cross product is geometrically the product of the lengths x sin(angle)
so base x height = area of the parallelogram
(-1, 0, -2), and (-1, 0, -2)?
you need to span the parallelogram, so find two vectors that are not the same, and not the diagonal
you want to cross product these
I agree with the choice of (-2, -1, 0)
but your (-1, 0, -2) is a sign error to me
it should be (-1, 0, 2) or (1, 0, -2)
oh
depending on the direction you took
yep
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Can anyone help me with understanding this concept? I just can't begin to understand how these are equal.
the 1 can be rewritten
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is this a local maximum?
first derivative test tells me that function is increasing for its entire domain, that means no local maxima or minima i assume?
Generally a local maximum is the maximum in a certain range
But, the point 0,-1 is not a maximum of the function
It looks like it is an inflection point. Try checking the second derivative
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if I'm remembering this right, if you're considering entire domains you would be checking for absolute maxima/minima and local is for a certain interval of x
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How did the piecewise function of his make this graph? Isn't 3x x>1 meant to make a straight line?
I get the "greater than" and how it's cut off until the 1 x axis, but I don't understand how it made a 45* angle.
Hi! So you think y = 3x is a straight line? Could you please explain why :)
Btw the angle is not really 45 degrees, but I will touch on that a bit later.
Is my blunder being that only numbers without coefficients can qualify as a straight line? Since it's 3x, it should be in a 45* angle?
Either that, or I've got my x and y axis all wrong and the 3 is at the y axis, and still counts as an x (Which is normally viewed as a 45* angle)
Mmmm not exactly
Before anything,
Can I ask you what
"y = 3x" means?
Like if I were to give you this equation, what would this mean to you?
What is it saying?
It means 3 is on the y axis, so it would be (0,3), meaning 0 in the x axis, which would put it at the region (or like the starter place i forgor the name) and 3 would be going 3 up
OH WAIT
Is it because of rise over run, and given the fact the x value is there makes it qualified?? So It would be 3/1 and it would go 1 right and 3 up, which is the right part for the point to be
Yeah exactly! I mean to simplify this even more,
The equation "y = 3x" is saying:
"For every x value, the y coordinate is 3 times that x coordinate"
So, by following this logic - when x = 1, y = 3. When x = 2, y = 6, when x = 3, y = 9, and so on so forth.
When you look at it this way, indeed - the line is not horizontal or vertical, it is going diagonally!
I see
That brings me to my next point - the angle is not 45 degrees. If it were, the line would be increasing by the same amount each time. I.e going up 1 whenever you go right 1. The angle will therefore be a little higher than 45 since the graph is going up. (As a bonus exercise, how would you find this angle? Hint: Use trig).
But anyway, that should cover your main question.
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Hi, just a quick question, we know a function is integrable in $[a,b]$ when $U(f,P) - L(f,P) \to 0$, then, by using Darboux sum, how can I show $\int_0^1 2x$ exists using $\varepsilon-\delta$?
Minλ
A minh spotted
you need to show that for any ε > 0, there exists a δ > 0, such that for every partition P of [0,1] with mesh size ||P|| < δ, the difference between the upper and lower Darboux sums is strictly less than ε
Hmm what could this mean? Do I fix ε > 0 then pick a P?
Yes
Also it probably helps that your function is strictly increasing
Yes I can see it
you can do that too
The sup and inf will strictly lie on the endpoints of any subinterval you may consider
I recognise the idea but I don't know where to start with, do I just pick a P first, then state ε > 0, or other way around
it's the standard Darboux criterion
you always want ε > 0
Let epsilon > 0 be given. We must show there exists a partition P of [0,1] such that U(f,P) - L(f,P) < epsilon
that's what you want
then you construct such P
Right, then I state épsilon first
Then I want each sections have same length then their length is $\frac{a-b}{n}$ for $n\in \mathbb{N}$?
will do this
Minλ
sounds fine. you know a and b in this case
did you typo the question and mean [0, 1] instead of [a, b]
Ah yes
If a function is integrable in $[a,b]$ when $U(f,P) - L(f,P) \to 0$ then what $ U(f,P) - L(f,P) \to ?$ for $y=2x$? ;-;
Minλ
Is it 2?
Well no, it should be 0
we're guessing that f(x) = 2x is integrable on [0,1]
So we must have what you said
not that it equals 0 for every P, it should go to 0
yea to 0
so, you said to try with uniform partition size
go for it, try P = {uniform partition with n+1 points}
Yes, I want to find an epsilon in term of n
It's more the other way around?
Hmm, I asked my professor for a hint and she said this is 2/n
Start by computing U(f,P) - L(f,P) for this P
She says the subtraction of U - L = 2/n
ok, did you check? or do you just want to admit it?
How can I do this? ;-;
? Apply the definition?
No I haven't checked it yet but when I asked my professor just then she said it is 2/n
Ah yes sorry this is quite confusing
$P = \left{\left[\frac kn,\frac{k+1}{n}\right] :: k\in {0,...,n-1}\right}$
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Just a quick check, is $\sum_{i=1}^n\frac{2}{n^2}$ is $\frac{2}{n^2}$ add itself $n$ times right?
Minλ
yup.
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I don't understand how to do c. I've gotten 0.03 but apparently that's wrong
For context x = 0.14
Hi! If Vincent got a total greater than 6 points, what scores might he have gotten?
P ( 4 n 3 ) + P ( 4 n 4 ) + P (3 n 4)
Which sums to 0.05
Good. Now, what is the question actually asking for?
The probablity that he got a score of 4 first in the two games he played
Which is P ( 4 n 4 ) and P ( 4 n 3 )
Good, but remember specifically - it's the probability he got a score in the first game given that he got a score higher than 6.
So what do you think you need to do with this probability?
Mutiply them together, that's what I did
Which got me 0.03
Right, but
P(4 n 4) + P(4 n 3) = 0.03
And
P( 4 n 3 ) + P( 4 n 4 ) + P(3 n 4) = 0.05,
Yes
I guess to reframe my question in a different way; how do you find the probability of A given that B happens?
so it's 3/5=0.6
Ohhhh, this is conditional probablity isn't it? I kinda forgot what to do
Yeahh exactly.
It's been awhile since I've done probablity
Fair enough
But yeah - you are given that the total score is greater than 6; the word "given" should remind you of conditional probability.
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yo I'm stuck on this problem
we were taught to do something similar to this
but don't know what the point of that is
partial fractions
what's that
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hi, is this correct?
when I wanna show lim f(x) implies lim f(1/x) thing
Note that provided $x\to\infty$ then $t=\frac{1}{x}$ already goes to $0^+$.
Azyrashacorki
So in particular you don't really know that $\lim_{t\to 0} f\left(\frac{1}{t}\right) = L$.
Azyrashacorki
shouldn't t tend to 0 without the plus sign
It does but from the right side
1/x is always positive
never negative
so it says nothing about approaching 0 from the left
ah I get it
If anything it just means that the second half of you proof is unnecessary (and wrong).
well have you proved that you can just substitute values like that?
An argument for this is always nice
why can you just let t=1/x and plug in
why should that work
dont say obvious
I'm not sure how rigorous your course is. but this is something that you would have to prove in general
well as long as x is not zero, I can safely let t = 1/x?
is it like that? Idk how else to prove
Just use εδ ig should be immediate
I tried this but its confusing ngl
lemme send it
Yeah
That should be it
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erm alr
but then idk if I really showed the t -> 0+ thing
Well you showed that lim x->0+ f(1/x)=L
wat
well showed?
bruh
You have showed that when t is sufficiently close to 0 from the right, the value f(1/t) can be made as close to L as we want (This holds for every epsilon > 0, so we can make epsilon arbitrarily small). This is the definition of the right-hand limit at 0.
Say, if you had 0<= t instead, then one could argue that 1/t can't hold, since you could end up with 1/0.
ok ok understood
and I have another question actually, how many forms of limit definition are there? I am confused
Anyhow, the real reason for doing so it because we are approaching 0 from the right. t>0 means we stay on the positive side of 0, and t< delta means t get arbitratily close to 0.
like there's the epsilon-delta ones, and infinite limit definition
I know this is not the exact answer you are looking for, but for calc, my best advice is to get comfortable with the epsilon-delta definition of the limit.
yes I can tell im not used to it
because there are questions where the delta is the minimum of two things
that is confusing
why can't just pick one
and also, even after looking at the illustration, 5 mins later i will be damned
Sometimes, plotting this in geogebra or making a plot on paper helps with the intuition. Even my professor (supervisor) does this for some of the simple stuff, as it is easier to make sense of it that way
yea thats why I said after visualizing it, I will get confused with the mathematical term again
and do u also understand why some delta is assigned to be the minimmum of two things?
Do you have something in mind, then we can talk about it?
for the minimum thingy?
Yessir
Can you show where you are stuck, then I can help you better understand
yes
One cannot simply set delta = epsilon / delta+6, since this is circular.
From |x^2 - 9| < delta (detlta+6), force delta <= 1, such that delta + 6 <= 7, so |x^2 - 9| < delta(delta+6) <= 7 delta.
why u force delta to be 1
We need to control the factor |x+3|. After factoring, |x^2 - 9| = |x-3| |x+3|.
Here, we know that |x-3| becomes small when x->3, but |x+3| is still variable. So we force x to stay close to 3 by requiring |x-3| < 1
This is done by delta <= 1
If you allowed delta = 100, then 0 < |x-3| < 100, would allow x anywhere in -97 < x < 103, and then |x+3| could be large, you we "loose control" over the factor x+3
Numerically, for delta = 100,
| x^2 - 9| < 100(100+6) = 10600
which is useless, if we choose a small epsilon, say epsilon = 0,01. Here we would need |x^2 - 9| < 0,01, and not < 10600
The whole idea is to be able to choose an epsilon arbitrarily small enough
but it says for every epsion in the definition no? So epsilon can be big
But we want to show the distance is small between the terms
Okay, maybe not so ideal on a black background, but look. It would make no analysis sense to choose epsilon so far away
why must it be small, as long as the actual limit and f(x) is inside the epsilon range, its true right
Yes, epsilon can be large or small, in fact the definition only requires epsilon > 0. But once epsilon is given, we get to choose a delta that works. Here, we choose a delta that is small on purpose; Not because epsilon is small, but because a small delta keeps x close to the 3, and makes the estimate work
The need x close to 3 because the definition of
lim_(x->3) (x^2 - 9) = 0, is about what happens when x approaches 3. Not what happens when we are far away from 3
oooooooooooooooooooooo
If |x+3| = 10003, when |x^2-9| is far away from 0, which is not what we want to do analysis on, thus we restrict x to stay close to 3
I understand it now
Great!
ok so back to the x+3
what made you think that u should force delta to be 1? Why not smaller like 0.1
we want delta to be as small as possible here I believe
Just for convenience. We had |x^2 - 9| = |x-3| |x+3|, and need to control |x+3|.
My thought was to force x to lie in some small neighborhood of 3, where x+3 is bounded.
To do so, we choose a fixed radious around 3, i just choose 1, so |x-3|<1, then
2 < x < 4 => |x+3| < 7.
If we choose delta <= 0,1 then
|x-3| < 0,1
=> 2,9 < x < 3,1
=> 5,9 < x+3 < 6,1
=> |x+3| < 6,1
u thought of forcing x to lie near 3 because of the |x+3| right? Else, do not need to do this
Yes! I only forced x near 3 because of |x+3|. If the factor was not there, then no need for that extra restriction
That would make |x^2 - 9| < 7 delta = epsilon
But this gives us some trouble - can you spot why?
Let me give you a clue:
We came to |x^2 - 9| < 7|x-3| under the assumption that |x-3|<1. This came from forcing x near 3 so that |x+3| <7.
So if you only choose delta = epsilon / 7, it only works when epsilon/7 <= 1, i.e.
espilon <= 7
oooo so it only works for some epsilon
Right!
so if epsilon is bigger than 7, everything falls
Yes - if we only choose that delta
So we have to get clever now, in choosing our delta
wait a min, when u say epsilon/7 <= 1, why not epsilon/7 = 1
I mean the reason we got that expression is by equating 7*delta with epsilon
We don't need 7delta = epsilon, we only need 7delta <= epsilon.
Equality is unnecessary since anything smaller also works.
ohh so when we get 7delta, we are actually doing 7delta <= epsilon?
Yup
understandable, alr lets get back to the problem again
how should we approach this
we know 7*delta <= epsilon
Well, for starters, let's list all the restrictions we have on delta as for now
delta = 1
Not quite
vro we forced delta to be 1
is the reason to capture every delta smaller than 1
Not to capture every smaller delta.
It is because we need our chosen delta to be a most 1, so that |x-3|<delta automatically implies |x-3|<1, which gives the bound |x+3|<7
yes
Here, I think that you can end the proof easily by yourself 🙂
so delta can be at most epsilon/7 for evey epsilon <= 7
and for epsilon > 7, delta <= 1
oh so is that why they write min{1, epsilon/7}
Almost - it is not only for the epsilon <= 7.
delta <= epsilon / 7 holds for every epsilon > 0. This comes from wanting 7 delta <= epsilon, which is always true.
The extra condition was delta <= 1, so be need both delta <=1 and delta <= epsilon/7.
And yes, this is why we choose
delta = min(1, epsilon/7)
why not just delta = 1
oh
im tripping
is it bcuz it wont capture 7*delta ,<= epsilon when epsilon < 1?
Yes
i mean the inequality wont be satisfied
holy
i understand it now
i think need more practice for this one
to get used to this
We all started somewhere
ok my last q for u
A fast one, I need to get on with my own work
do u have any channel recomnendation for learning epsilon delta
thx for helping me all this time bro 🫡
Calculus
what
Oh - like youtube?
I think 3blue1brown has a good video about it
Else, i'd suggest googling some lecture notes on that
cheers
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Ive this question: im reading buragos book a course in metric geometry and im trying to find some length structure in R² which induce the Euclidean metric and there are some differences in some lengths of curves, but i couldn't find something. I tried the length structure induced by different metrics in R²,but nothing worked
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hey I need help with this problem
what have you tried so far?
second line looks good so far
try factoring in the integral on the third line
bring the constant outside and then use polynomial division
last sign should be a -
very close
integration of that last term is not ln
think of your trig formulas
it is arctan but not x^2 + 1 in the inside
yes
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So I don't understand how to find f(0) as that would be to take the deriviative and I'm not sure how to take the deriviative of just 0 I thought it had to be on bounds.
U freaking kidding? Someone ban this hacked account bro
They did.
ok....
did you try to find the equation for f'(x) for x in [0, 4]
point slope form only works for lines
you don't need to find the equation for part (a)
Am i just setting up a integral and doing area under the curve from [0,5]?

