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marsh coral
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Wait

surreal night
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so whenever we something as x^2+2ax, we know that we can complete it with (x+a)^2-some constant

marsh coral
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So (x + a)^2 = x * x + a * a?

surreal night
marsh coral
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Oh multiplied by

surreal night
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$(x+a)^2=(x+a)(x+a)=x*(x+a)+a*(x+a)=xx+xa+ax+aa=x^2+2ax+a^2$

woven radishBOT
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Flappie

surreal night
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so, whenever we see something like x^2+8x

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we can complete it by (x+4)^2

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  • some constant
surreal night
marsh coral
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surreal night
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so, in your question we have 3x^2+6x

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how can we complete the square

marsh coral
surreal night
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for that example x^2+8x its 4

marsh coral
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Oh ok js making sure

surreal night
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because 4=8/2

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8=2a

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4=a

marsh coral
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Oh wait

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So you grouped the x terms then simplified?

surreal night
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im not sure what you mean by simplified

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i completed the square

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let me give you another example

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x^2+5x+25/4

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how would you complete the square here

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dont worry about being right or wrong

marsh coral
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Umm

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Lemme get paper

surreal night
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look at 5x

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take the 5

marsh coral
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Would it be

surreal night
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and divide it by 2

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(x+5/2)^2

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is completing the square

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do you see that connection?

marsh coral
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(x + 5/2) ^ 2

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Yeah I was getting there I js type slow

surreal night
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np

marsh coral
surreal night
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alright great

marsh coral
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Wait so basically

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You have like say

surreal night
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x^2+bx can be completed by just taking b/2

marsh coral
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x^2 + 12x + c

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You would divide the 12x by some number?

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How would I know what number to divide by

surreal night
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divide 12 by 2

marsh coral
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Oh so it’s always divided by 2?

surreal night
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yes

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for completing the square

marsh coral
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Got it

surreal night
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yes

marsh coral
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I get it now

surreal night
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great

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so lets look at your function again

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3x^2+6x-17

marsh coral
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So y = 3x^2 + 6x - 17

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Finding the square ewould be

surreal night
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so, we first need to do something to this before we can complete the square

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in our previous examples, we've had x^2

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but here we have 3x^2

marsh coral
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Divide the 3x by 3?

surreal night
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kind of

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i would factorise it

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3x^2+6x=3(x^2+2x)

marsh coral
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Oh yeah I did that on my paper

surreal night
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now inside the brackets we have x^2

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which is what we want

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so, complete the square with x^2+2x

marsh coral
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With the distribution or just that

surreal night
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completeing the square just like we did before

marsh coral
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K so

surreal night
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x^2+2x=(x+?)^2+?

marsh coral
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(x + 2x/2) ^ 2

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Oh wait lemme put the divided by 2 I think I solved it

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Like that?

surreal night
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where did you get the -17 from?

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we are onyl looking at x^2+2x

marsh coral
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Oh

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Mb

surreal night
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(x+1)^2=x^2+2x+1, right?

marsh coral
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So this (x + 2x/2) ^ 2

surreal night
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also, its not 2x/2

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its 2/2

marsh coral
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Oh

surreal night
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only take the factor

marsh coral
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So just 2

surreal night
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2/2

marsh coral
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Wait no

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1 ^ 2 is 1

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So just one

surreal night
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expand (x+1)^2

marsh coral
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This is the part that I find confusing

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Because I would think that (x + 1) ^ 2 would be (x + 1)(x + 1)

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But idk if that’s right

surreal night
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thats right

marsh coral
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Oh nvm

surreal night
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but expand it further

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so there are no brackets

marsh coral
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x^2 + 1

surreal night
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no

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$(x+1)^2=x^2+2x+1$

woven radishBOT
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Flappie

surreal night
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do you understand this?

marsh coral
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Yes

surreal night
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so, then do you also follow that $x^2+2x=(x+1)^2-1$?

woven radishBOT
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Flappie

marsh coral
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Oh they r equal

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Lemme go back up

surreal night
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we moved the 1 to the other side

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this is how we have completed the square

marsh coral
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Which one

surreal night
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we turned x^2+2x into something squared + some constant

marsh coral
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We moved the the 1 in the parentheses?

surreal night
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what?

marsh coral
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😭 (I’m sorry this must be so annoying)

surreal night
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its alright

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i am out of time though

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dinner is ready

marsh coral
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I’ll just try to rewatch the videos

marsh coral
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I got (x + 2x/2) ^ 2 - 8 —> 2x^2 - 8

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<@&286206848099549185>

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Is this right?

cinder wyvern
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2x^2-8

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@marsh coral

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thats right

marsh coral
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Ok

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Ty

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Now I need the next steps

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Now I plug it back in?

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So y = 2x^2 - 8 - 17 ?

cinder wyvern
marsh coral
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Lemme scroll up and copy paste it

cinder wyvern
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waiting

marsh coral
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Consider the parabola y = 3x^2 + 6x - 17:
a) Write the equation for the axis of symmetry
b) Find the coordinates of the vertex of the graph of the parabola
c) Identify the vertex as a maximum or minimum
d) Graph the parabola

I am not very good at parabolas so I am kinda lost. But I did try using a perfect square.

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Is the question

restive river
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ok first what's the vertex?

marsh coral
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I haven’t got there yet

restive river
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remember axis of symmetry is just "x = the x coordinate of the vertex"

marsh coral
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Waitttt

cinder wyvern
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i can answer all questions on the paper just a sec

devout snowBOT
restive river
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ok chidu the first step is to find the vertex

marsh coral
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Oh wait

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I’m so so sorry

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I mixed up the problems

restive river
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it's ok

marsh coral
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My first step was factorizing 3x^2 + 6x and I got 3(x^2 + 2x)

restive river
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bro you don't need to factor it yet

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just find the vertex

marsh coral
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I was listening to the other guy

marsh coral
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Ok I’ll just restart

restive river
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wait

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wait

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did you answer any of them yet

marsh coral
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No

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I first had to learn how to do perfect squares

cinder wyvern
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if u want to get first answer

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you will need to get vertex

restive river
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the vertex lets you do a, b, and c

marsh coral
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ok so

cinder wyvern
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and it will be (-1,-20)

restive river
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BRUH

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DON'T GIVE THE ANSWER

marsh coral
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why are you giving me answers ._.

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but where did that come from?

restive river
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calculate it

cinder wyvern
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i will explain sorry

restive river
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yk the formula for vertex?

cinder wyvern
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do you know -b/2a

marsh coral
restive river
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yeah

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the x coord is -b/2a

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then plug that into the equation to get the y coord

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this will give you b!

cinder wyvern
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and the y coord will be f(-b/2a)

restive river
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bruh

marsh coral
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my brain is malfunctioning

restive river
cinder wyvern
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huh

marsh coral
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i dont know what it means (i came from a behind school and then i got into a rigorous school and the curriculum jumped up)

restive river
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dw

marsh coral
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i took a placement test and got put in Algebra 2 and i am lost in basically every concept it has

restive river
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ok so what's the vertex

restive river
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happens a lot

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ok i can help you with this stuff

cinder wyvern
marsh coral
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i didn't even know that

restive river
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see?

cinder wyvern
restive river
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not everyone is cracked at math bruh

marsh coral
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real

restive river
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ok so

marsh coral
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so lemme reprocesses this

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wait

cinder wyvern
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first u need to know the equation

marsh coral
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so im starting with

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y = 3x² + 6x - 17

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how do i implement that into the vertex formula

cinder wyvern
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ax^2+bx+c this is our equation right?

marsh coral
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oh wait no he wasn

cinder wyvern
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thats right i will go

restive river
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ok so

marsh coral
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but i find his instructions more clear

marsh coral
restive river
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the general form of any quadratic equation is ax^2 + bx + c

marsh coral
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define a and b

restive river
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what's your equation again

marsh coral
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oh wait

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nvm

cinder wyvern
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i'm glad if I could help you a little if I could

marsh coral
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y = 3x² + 6x - 17 so a = 3 and b = 6

restive river
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yesss

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ok so whats -b/(2a)

marsh coral
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-6/(2*3) is -1

restive river
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good good

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now evaluate the equation for x = -1

marsh coral
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brutha what 😭

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oh nvm

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y = 3 * -1² + -6 - 17 so 3 * 1 + -6 + -17 = -20

restive river
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yes

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so your vertex is (-1, 20) right

marsh coral
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ohhhhh

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i got it

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and then -20 is y

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so (-1, -20)

restive river
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yes

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this is the answer to b!

marsh coral
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so that would be the answer to b

restive river
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ok now we're gonna do a

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it's really simple

marsh coral
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kk

restive river
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the axis of symetry is the equation of the vertical line that cuts it in half

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it's just "x = the x coordinate of the vertex"

marsh coral
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so -1

restive river
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yes

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a is "x = -1"

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perfect now c

marsh coral
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mhm

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what is max and min

marsh coral
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for parabolas

restive river
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ok

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if a is positive the vertex is the mininum point of the quadratic equation right

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the y coordinate of the vertex is the smallest value that can be outputted

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(note that in algebra 2 this becomes false)

restive river
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if a is negative then it's the maximum value right

marsh coral
restive river
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yes

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good job

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is this summer hw btw?

marsh coral
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yes

restive river
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ok

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and you're taking algebra 2 next year?

marsh coral
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gotta answer 25 algebra 2 math questions and read 2 books before school year starts (i just got into the school and they already making me do this)

restive river
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did you skip geometry?

marsh coral
restive river
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did you skip algebra 1?

marsh coral
restive river
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ok do you know how to graph a quadratic equation?

restive river
marsh coral
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ngl it might lowkey just be because i have good luck

restive river
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lol

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was it iready?

marsh coral
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i solved on all the questions ik how to do and then just guessed

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no

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it was a google form with 50 questions

restive river
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oh

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how many answers each?

marsh coral
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the placements were Algebra 1, Algebra 2 and AP Algebra 2

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some were exact answers and some were 4 mca's

restive river
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does your school have geometry?

marsh coral
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the one im leaving or the one im going to

restive river
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ok back to the question at hand

marsh coral
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yeah

restive river
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do you know how to graph a quadratic?

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also feel free to dm me about these other problems, i can help you understand the concepts

marsh coral
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ok ty!

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and uhhhhh

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khan academy can teach me

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in like 4 minutes

restive river
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yeah but if you ever need help with understanding the concepts

restive river
marsh coral
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i mean unless u wanna walk me through it

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do i need graph paper?

restive river
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i will do that

restive river
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was it provided?

marsh coral
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nope im writing on my personal notebook

restive river
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ok

marsh coral
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but i can get a sheet of graph paper

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and attach it to my note book

restive river
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yeah do that

marsh coral
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cuz im tired of doing this bs of drawing the most crooked handdrawn graphs

restive river
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then make a 20x20 box and add the x and y axis and make the marks and all that

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or 10x10

marsh coral
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does the scale have to be 1?

restive river
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just make sure it's even

restive river
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but for this problem

marsh coral
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ok

restive river
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do increments of 2 on a 20x20 box

marsh coral
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ima ask my mom for graph paper

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brb

restive river
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actually do increments of 4 every other square

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because it makes the numbers easier to read

marsh coral
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hold on ima just send a picture

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oh wait nvm

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i get it

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ima ask for graph paper tho

marsh coral
restive river
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ok

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now put the vertex on it

marsh coral
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y'know pondering on it now i really had enough space to do a 1 scale-

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the graph big as hell

restive river
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yeah

marsh coral
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ima change it to a 1 scale

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and label it every other one

restive river
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ok

marsh coral
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ok

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its labeled by 1

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now graph the vertex

restive river
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nice

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now put the vertex

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then the hard part which is solving it

marsh coral
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crap

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UGHHHHH

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i forgot to put negatives 😭

restive river
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3x^2 + 6x - 17 right

marsh coral
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yes

restive river
marsh coral
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hold on lemme fricking redraw this whole a- graph again

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and rip this paper off

surreal night
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still on this?

restive river
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yes

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why did you have him solve it

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apparently

marsh coral
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ight im done labelling the points

restive river
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nicee

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ok

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now solving the equation

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well it's not factorable

marsh coral
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ok i plotted the vertex

restive river
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ok this is called the quadratic formula

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x = $\frac{-b \pm \sqrt{b^2 - 4ac}}{2a}$

woven radishBOT
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speedydelete

marsh coral
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is there something missing here?

restive river
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yes this is fr

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i fixed it

marsh coral
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does that sign to the right of -b mean plus or minus

restive river
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yes

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this finds x where ax^2 + bx + c = 0

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always

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i can show you why it works if you want

surreal night
marsh coral
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thats where me and him left off last

restive river
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we're not gonna use that formula

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so the vertex is (-1, 20)

marsh coral
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i got (x + x)^2 + -8

restive river
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now any vertex is of the form (h, k)

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now here's another magic thing

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if (h, k) is the vertex of the quadratic equation, then you can rewrite it as

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a(x - h)^2 + k

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where a is the original value of a

marsh coral
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what is h

restive river
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the vertex is (h, k)

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so h = -1 and k = 20

marsh coral
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oh ight

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so

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3(x + 1)² + 20

restive river
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yes

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3(x + 1)² + 20 = 0

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solve this

marsh coral
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thats a zero?

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oh im tweaking

restive river
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you're solving the equation

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also which problem is this in the 25 problem sheet

marsh coral
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how do you expand (x + 1)²

marsh coral
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i was able to solve the first 10 on my own

restive river
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ok

restive river
marsh coral
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i was trying to solve it but my brother is nagging on my shoulder correcting my work so i have nothing cuz he keeps on saying its wrong

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3(x + 1)² + 20 = 0

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but i have a question

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in 3(x + 1)² do you distribute 3 or do the exponent first

surreal night
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PEMDAS

marsh coral
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right...

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so (3x + 3)² ?

restive river
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no

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no

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so you have 3(x + 1)^2 = -20 right

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divide both sides by 3

marsh coral
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no

restive river
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you get (x + 1)^2 = -20/3

marsh coral
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wait im confused

restive river
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you don't distribute the 3 lol

marsh coral
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is the equation 3(x + 1) ^2 = -20 or 3(x + 1)² + 20 = 0

restive river
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it doesn't matter they mean the same thing

marsh coral
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but ik what to do now

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ok

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im gonna solve the first one

restive river
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yeah

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divide both sides by 3

marsh coral
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3(x + 1) ^2 = -20
/3 /3
(x + 1)² = -20/3
x² + 1 = -20/3
-3/3 -3/3
x² = -23/3
sq root sq root
x = 1.59861051 i

restive river
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yk what complex numbers are?

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thats wrong lol

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(x + 1)^2 = x^2 + 2x + 1 not x^2 + 1

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ok so

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you have (x + 1)^2 = -20/3 right

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so then

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you take the square root of both sides!

marsh coral
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i did

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oh wait

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you take the sq root of both sides in that state?

restive river
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now you have $x + 1 =\pm\sqrt{\frac{-20}{3}}$

woven radishBOT
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speedydelete

marsh coral
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ohhhhhhhhhh

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you know that makes a lot more sense

restive river
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you do the plus minus because squaring produces the same output

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can you solve it now

marsh coral
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i can solve it now but i just need one more thing to know

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can u use plus/minus in another example?

restive river
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sqrt(-20/3) = sqrt(-20)/sqrt(3) = sqrt(-20)sqrt(3)/3 = sqrt(-60)/3 = sqrt(60)i/3

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uh sure

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yk what absolute values are

marsh coral
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yes

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oh so just that

restive river
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yess

marsh coral
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the av value and the non av value

restive river
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yes

marsh coral
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lost me after the 2nd = sign

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waot wait

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nvm

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hold on

restive river
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$x = \pm \ |x|$

marsh coral
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when it says sqrt(-20)sqrt(3)/3 wouldn´t you multiply it by 3

woven radishBOT
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speedydelete

marsh coral
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instead of divide by 3

restive river
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for some reason

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well ik the reason

marsh coral
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why are we double dividing?

restive river
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teachers won't give you credit if there are square root signs at the bottom of fractions

marsh coral
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🤦

restive river
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so i multiplied both sides of the fraction by sqrt(3) to remove it

marsh coral
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wait so

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hold on

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so what im understanding

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sqrt(-20/3) = sqrt of them individualy and those become two separate parts so when u seperate the 3 from -20 it becomes its own thing so dividing it cancels it?

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oh wait

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yeah i get the equation now

restive river
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yeah

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i'm just simplifying it

marsh coral
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ye ye ye

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so now what do i do with it

restive river
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simple

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so you have

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$x + 1 = \frac{\sqrt{60}i}{3}$

woven radishBOT
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speedydelete

restive river
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so now just subtract 1

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actually that's not in simplest form

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60 = 4*15 right

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so sqrt(60) = sqrt(4)*sqrt(15)

marsh coral
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oh ok

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yes

restive river
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use exact solutions unless the problem demands numerical ones

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your answer is

marsh coral
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ight

restive river
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$x = \pm \frac{2\sqrt{15}i}{3} - 1$

woven radishBOT
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speedydelete

restive river
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good job

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lol

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now you can't mark those points on the graph of course

marsh coral
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this the last step holy

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3 hour math problem 😭

restive river
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so just evaluate the function for different points

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-2, -3, ...

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and 0, 1, ...

marsh coral
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plug in random x values?

restive river
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and mark those

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then connect the dots

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you're done then!

marsh coral
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i gotta plug in random x values?

restive river
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again dm me if you want to understand concepts i will answer much faster than this place generally

restive river
marsh coral
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so 1 2 3?

restive river
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vertex is -1 right

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and 0

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and -2, -3, ...

marsh coral
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-1, 0, -2, and -3?

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substitute those in for x and solve the equations then label it?

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on the graph?

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ight ty

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i wanna leave the channel open tho so i can look back

restive river
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!dond

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!done

devout snowBOT
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restive river
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i gtg

marsh coral
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ight bye

surreal night
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you got it?

marsh coral
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yup yup

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ty

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.close

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surreal night
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nice

marsh coral
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i got it i dont need anymore help im just looking back at the channel to find one last hting

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i think me and you are both over this 💀

surreal night
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im chillin

marsh coral
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ight

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dim halo
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is the following true? if Pr(~A) > Pr(~B), then Pr(A) < Pr(B)

dense lynx
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Pr(A) + Pr(~A) = 1

dim halo
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I know, but I'm trying to figure out the proof

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The formal derivation

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safe jasper
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P(~A) = 1-P(A), so your P(~A) > P(~B) turns into 1-P(A) > 1 - P(B)

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very straightforward to get your conclusion from the hypothesis

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ashen mortar
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Im confused what it wants.

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,,G = \big { \vec{x} \in \mathbb{R} : : : x^2+y^2=(2(2-z))^2, 0\leq z \leq 1 \big }

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My question is this

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I have first to give context

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Basically this is a frustum of a cone

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and I need to find a parametrization for the "lateral surface area"

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the blue

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,,K : \begin{pmatrix} r \cos\theta \ r\sin\theta \ z \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} r \cos\theta \ r\sin\theta \ 2-\frac{r}{2} \end{pmatrix} \quad \theta \in [0, 2\pi], : r \in (0, 2(2-z)]

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acshually

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yea so to continue

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The "lateral surface" in the solution is $$\vec{x}_L = \begin{pmatrix} 2(2-z) \cos\theta \ 2(2-z) \sin\theta \ z \end{pmatrix} \quad \theta \in [0, 2\pi], : z \in [0,1]$$ but I wanted to ask if my parametrization is also fine

$$\vec{x}_L = \begin{pmatrix} r \cos\theta \ r \sin\theta \ 2- \frac{r}{2} \end{pmatrix} \quad \theta \in [0, 2\pi], : r \in [2,4]$$

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hmm i have a feeling this is a lot simpler

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r = (2(2-z))^2, right? for example whats wrong with fixing z, getting the circumference of the circle and then integrating over z

faint gorge
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I found my mistake

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I need to plug in the bounds of z

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for r

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yay

faint gorge
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i just want to explore things for the exam

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that's how i tend to get a better understanding

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it's because

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when I use polar coordinates i am used to theta and r but now theta and z is a new thing

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Like what I mean is $\vec{x}_L(\theta, r)$ is more familiar than $\vec{x}_L(\theta, z)$.

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you were trying to parameterize, not just compute it

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we only need 3 points to find the area right, does it matter which 3?

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imagining a parrallelogram if I choose the furthest points away from each other and another point would the cross product of that still be the area?

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Ah you probably want ad in that case right?

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so let's call the other side AD

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soft nest
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Ab and bc should work though

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AB × AC
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You can also draw the parallelogram associated and see that the area they share is half of both of them

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I'm not sure if those are blurry, here's them indivudally

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thank you, my bad

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Major problems:

Problem 2 you prove something completely wrong.

Minor quibbles:

Problem 1 part 1, you have a latex typo, /in should be \in

Problem 2 you have a ~ x and bx but you probably mean b ~ x as well.

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I've only gone through problem 2 so far

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I have the quibbles fixed no worries, these are screenshots before the read through on typos.

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In 2, you are supposed to prove [a] cap [b] = {} OR [a] = [b]

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Instead you say [a] cap [b] = {} implies [a] = [b], which is almost the opposite

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I redid 2

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This solution for 2 suffices, with some weird phrasing in places but still perfectly clear.

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For 1), i don't quite know if you've already shown something in class that makes this make sense but it seems like you assume in the => direction that being bijective implies being invertible (line 4 of the proof) which is kinda what you're trying to prove here in the first place

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I haven't read through all of 4 and checked the specific math but the idea is right. i assume you have a LaTeX typo in the second to last line though where it says p \in s_{?3}

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I fixed all the typos, no worries. For 1) what would I change?

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Do I just take out the invertible and try to prove it later on>

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Up to the blue line is okay, you've defined g in the right way, but the way you show that its the inverse is a bit unclear. For f(g(y))=y for y in Y, g(y):=x s.t. f(x)=y by your definition which you've explained well enough, but you also should show that g(f(x))=x for x in X, for which you can say: let f(x)=y, so that g(f(x))=g(y)=x

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Both of these things are basically just "it falls out of the definition" but you really need to explicitly state that f(g(y))=y and g(f(x))=x and why it follows from your definition of the function.

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The thing after the blue line just doesn't really make sense, I think its supposed to be like a concluding statement for your proof, but it reads as another step. After showing the two things I said above, you are done.

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Hi probably a dumb question but i need a sanity check lol

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“x is a function of y. When plotted in the xy-coordinate plane, the function g(y) intersects the y-axis twice.” We want to roughly show that the number of intersection point between g(y) + 1 is in {0,1,2} and thus can’t be uniquely determined. “

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Some tutor posted this solution, isn’t this just wrong?

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It’s not even a function in (y) to begin with, no?

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lol

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Well is that the optimal way to do it?

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What would you have done?

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yeah that's what I was thinking to do before you posted the picture

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I'd say it looks good and makes sense to me, if you have any other doubts I can try to help on this

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what if i was working in x-y instead of y-x

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is that just a 90 degree clockwise rotation of the parabola?

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it got me thinking how + 1 translates there

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not quite, it'll actually look like a reflection through the diagonal line y=x

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maybe this helps to see

restive river
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So basically you’re tryna plot an “inverse function” of sorts?

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yeah sort of, except it won't be an inverse usually speaking

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right cuz the original function isn’t objective?

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bijective*

wise storm
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like you can see how it doesn't pass the vertical line test (or horiztonal line test if you're looking at it the other way)

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yeah

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okay okay i see, but wait how does the “+1” translate in the side way version of the parabola?

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it isn’t clear to me the +1 pushes it to the right

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well if u swap the x and ys then it becomes intuition but otherwise no

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g(y) is a sideway parabola so g(y) + 1 is a sideway parabola shifted 1 unit to the right?

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oh + 1 means move 1 unit in the direction of positive x?

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yeah the +1 is moving it up cause now it's x=g(y), so now that we've swapped the axes in the picture it looks like y=g(x)

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and so +1 is doing y=g(x)+1

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ah cool, final thing which probably has to do with the phrase of the question but:

“x is a function of y” and how exactly does that line alongside the last one translate to x = g(x) + 1

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hi kiz

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sharp?

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no that’s my bf

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idk if that's sort of the thing you're thinking about or something else

restive river
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well uh i was thinking about something like:

“x is a function of y…the function g(y) + 1” -> how does that translate to like x = g(y) + 1

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so normally you have that y is a function of x

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and this is just the “opposite”

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so instead of y = g(x) + 1 you have x = g(y) + 1?

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for instance x = y^2 you could pick y = 2 and get x=4 out

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or put in y=-3 and get x=9 out

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you can't necessarily do the same the reverse way, since if I give you x=4 you can't tell me if that came from y=2 or y=-2, so in this example y is not a function of x

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okay okay thanks thumbsupanimegirl

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yup you got it

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Hello there!

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I just had a question with this problem

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This is what I did and I was wondering if I messed up anywhere

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no like what are you trying to prove

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the screenshot you sent doesn't have a prompt

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Oops I thought I sent it to you

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ah ok, gotcha

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Susan is writing a novel that will be 950-pages long when finished. She can write 10 pages per day on weekdays and 20 pages per day on weekends. I am trying to find the least number of days it would take her.
Here is my calculation. I got 72 as my answer, however the correct answer is 73. I am not quite sure where I went wrong there

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Oh 950, not 920. Lol

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I'm getting 74 now rounded up instead of 73. Am I doing anything incorrectly?

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this works if you must start on monday

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you should calculate it as if you need to write 910 pages

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or maybe that won't work still

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73 is correct

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So I cannot do it as a single algebraic expression?

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i don't think so

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Aha, that's good to know. So I can at least avoid making the mistake in the future. I am guessing the better way is to compute it only a weekly basis and see where it breaks off

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Is there a way where we don't use inequalities

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Why not

iron sun
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You’ll have to use monotonicity for integrals one way or another

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Oh welp yeah if you want lmao

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But that’s not needed, you’ll find that the inequality way is a lot friendlier

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yes,but its hard to reccognize that this can be solved that way

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that's the reason

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I see, well I guess option d) is really the only one you’d have to check separately

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The other three options can be done swiftly-ish if you did it the inequality way, i.e using monotonicity arguments

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monotonicity arguments?

iron sun
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You kept using the word inequality, what’s that process? Since that’s what I’m referring to read my comment again

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This is what they(solution) did
For x ranging between pi/4 and pi/2
sinx > cosx

iron sun
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Yes

restive river
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And from here on they started building the function inside the integrations

iron sun
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Yup

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This is the simplest way

restive river
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Is there an intuitive way ?

iron sun
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For understanding the inequalities?

restive river
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no,for solving this question

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restive river
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oh my

iron sun
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I’m telling you, that’s the most direct and easy way of going about this

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Okay

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I could help you understand the inequalities, that’s the key here

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I am good with ineequalities,its just not the method i prefer to use while solving because i tend to make a lot of silly mistakes

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try graphing the two functions and visually comparing the areas

restive river
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1Graphing is way worse, i am more comfortable with inequalities than graphs

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since they're exponentials they're all positive, and you can compare the functions directly since one is the reciprocal of the other

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Okay

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Okay,i will

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Hii! Can someone explain this question to me?

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do you know of any theorm that relates the angle subtended by an arc at the centre of a circle to that subtended at the vertex

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Umm no I don’t think so 🤔 (English is not my native language maybe I understood your question wrong)

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one minute

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The angle subtended by an arc at the centre is double the angle subtended by it at any point on the remaining part of the circle.

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Ooh!

lost laurel
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so what is angle AOC

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So I have to multiply it by two?

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And that’s 116?

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yes!

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do you know what the sum of opposite angles of a cyclic quadrilateral is

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Nope sadly no

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do you know what a cylic quadrilateral is

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I don’t even know what a cyclic quadrilateral is?

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,w cyclic quadrilateral

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basically a quadrilateral inscribed in a circle

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Ooh!

lost laurel
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the opposite angles add up to 180deg

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so here B+D=180

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So when B is 58 then D is 122

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I think so too

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Ok thank you so much!!

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cant see mate

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i got determinant to be p^3 + q^3 + r^3 -3prq = 0

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i factorised

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a^3 + b^3 + c^3 = 3abc

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then a + b + c = 0

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its an identity or whatever u wanna call it

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oof complex?

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oh wait

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then they all just zero?

arctic field
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theres another factor

tall stirrup
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no

arctic field
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(p - q)^2 + (q - r)^2 + (r - p)^2 = 0

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i got 1/2((p - q)^2 + (q - r)^2 + (r - p)^2) = 0

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so what next?

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so p = q = r

tall stirrup
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how?

arctic field
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p q r are real

tall stirrup
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how to write it i mean

arctic field
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sum of real squares = 0 forces all squares = 0

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sum of squares = 0 means the numbers r 0

arctic field
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ok nice

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so |u| = |v| = |w|

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arg(w) - arg(v) = ???

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what should i do next

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its just geometry at this point

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u, v and w lies on a circle

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Pro_Hecker

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$w = xe^{i\theta_1}; v =xe^{i\theta_2}; u=xe^{i\theta_3}$

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Pro_Hecker

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so what next?

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its a geometry problem

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the inscribed angle theorem

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oh so option (a)?

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yes

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multiplying a vector with a unit vector will just change its direction?

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or rather

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what happens if you multiply a vector with a unit vector

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"multiplying"

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dot or cross

keen rivet
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oh

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dot

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oh you again

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Hello

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Dotting with a unit vector doesn't really do much I mean

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After you do it it's a scalar so there's no talk of direction

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ohh right

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dotting with the nth unit vector just gets you the nth component of your vector as a scalar

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for instance, (1,2,3)^T . (0,1,0)^T = 2

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wait how many unit vectors are there

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ie. dot product with e_2 gives the 2nd component, etc

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3?

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depends what space you're in

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so it just needs to have a magnitude of 1

worthy girder
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$\mathbb{R}^3$ has 3 dimensions

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Bob Goldham

worthy girder
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the plane (R²) has 2

keen rivet
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so in 3d its
(1, 0, 0)
(0, 1, 0)
(0, 0, 1)

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in 5d it'd be (0,0,0,0,1) (0,0,0,1,0) (0,0,1,0,0) (0,1,0,0,0) (1,0,0,0,0)

keen rivet
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wait ill prolly just follow this question up lol

worthy girder
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since we generally consider column vectors

keen rivet
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a= any vector
b= unit vector

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what would (a.b)b look like

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like its just multiplied

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theres no cross or dot

worthy girder
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scalar multiplication yeah

restive river
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Hi

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if b is the nth unit vector, this operation basically sets all components of a except the nth component to 0

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while leaving the nth component unchanged

worthy girder
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a=(5,10,15)^T b=(0,0,1)^T would result in (0,0,15)^T

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Hello

keen rivet
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wait whats T?

worthy girder
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transponsed

keen rivet
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ohh

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right i get it now somewhat lol

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thanks!!

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$\begin{pmatrix}
5\
10\
15
\end{pmatrix}$

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Bob Goldham

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Is $\bR$ the field of fractions of any of its proper subrings?

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isn't Q the field of fractions of itself?

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yes

sand dove
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oh you're asking if R can be the field of fractions of some subring

violet wind
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yeah

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Suppose there exists a field F such that Quot(F) = R. Then for all r in R there exists a, b in F such that a/b = r, which implies a = br. a = br is a member of F, and b is also a member of F, therefore, r is also a member of F. But r is an arbitrary real number, so every r is in F, so F is just R.

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I guess you didn't specify that F is a division ring

violet wind
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every proper subfield would be it's own quotient field

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since fields are their own quotient fields

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(Solution spoilers, obviously)

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!nosols

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So i just finished my discrete math exam

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lapis seal
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And there was a question: is 125^125 divisibile by 81?

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tall stirrup
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just factorise 125

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and factorise 81

lapis seal
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I made it become 44^125 congruent to 0 mod 81

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And then got stuck

tall stirrup
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you'll see it's not possible

ocean yacht
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oh

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well by logic yes, you can factorise 125 = 5^3

raw knoll
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it's not possible at all since you cant divide 125 by 3

lapis seal
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And then I wrote that 44 = 4x11 and 125=3^4, so 44^125 will be some multiple of 4 and since 4 isn't a factor of 125, then 125^125 cannot be divisible by 81

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Is this wrong?

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Its probably wrong though

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5^3 vs 3^4

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For a number to be divisible by the other it needs to be a multiple

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but (5^3)^whatever can never be a multiple of 3^4

lapis seal
raw knoll
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it's all 5s

lapis seal
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The one where I make 125 become 44

raw knoll
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yeah lol

lapis seal
raw knoll
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it just isn't possible from the factors alone

raw knoll
lapis seal
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Lol if you had to

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Is my logic correct?

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good luck I guess lol

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I hope so

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Can someone explain to me question 35

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surreal night
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,rotate

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winter patrol
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for f(x)/g(x) to be defined
f(x) and g(x) need to defined
and g(x) can't be 0

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<@&286206848099549185>

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I don’t feel like doing LaTeX

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(1,5) if you can’t see it

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Also it’s 1:43 in my timezone and i’m tired

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!nosols

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