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so whenever we something as x^2+2ax, we know that we can complete it with (x+a)^2-some constant
So (x + a)^2 = x * x + a * a?
no, (x+a)^2=(x+a)(x+a)=x*(x+a)+a*(x+a)=x*x+x*a+a*x+a*a=x^2+2ax+a^2
Oh multiplied by
$(x+a)^2=(x+a)(x+a)=x*(x+a)+a*(x+a)=xx+xa+ax+aa=x^2+2ax+a^2$
Flappie
so, whenever we see something like x^2+8x
we can complete it by (x+4)^2
- some constant
*for compensation
✅
Is it always 4 (before I solve)
no, its not
for that example x^2+8x its 4
Oh ok js making sure
im not sure what you mean by simplified
i completed the square
let me give you another example
x^2+5x+25/4
how would you complete the square here
dont worry about being right or wrong
Would it be
and divide it by 2
(x+5/2)^2
is completing the square
do you see that connection?
np
Yeah
alright great
x^2+bx can be completed by just taking b/2
x^2 + 12x + c
You would divide the 12x by some number?
How would I know what number to divide by
divide 12 by 2
Oh so it’s always divided by 2?
Got it
yes
I get it now
so, we first need to do something to this before we can complete the square
in our previous examples, we've had x^2
but here we have 3x^2
Divide the 3x by 3?
Oh yeah I did that on my paper
now inside the brackets we have x^2
which is what we want
so, complete the square with x^2+2x
With the distribution or just that
completeing the square just like we did before
K so
x^2+2x=(x+?)^2+?
(x+1)^2=x^2+2x+1, right?
So this (x + 2x/2) ^ 2
simplify your 2x/2 please
also, its not 2x/2
its 2/2
Oh
only take the factor
So just 2
2/2
expand (x+1)^2
This is the part that I find confusing
Because I would think that (x + 1) ^ 2 would be (x + 1)(x + 1)
But idk if that’s right
thats right
Oh nvm
x^2 + 1
Flappie
do you understand this?
Yes
so, then do you also follow that $x^2+2x=(x+1)^2-1$?
Flappie
Which one
we turned x^2+2x into something squared + some constant
We moved the the 1 in the parentheses?
what?
😭 (I’m sorry this must be so annoying)
Ok
I’ll just try to rewatch the videos
For this are both ?’s the same number?
I got (x + 2x/2) ^ 2 - 8 —> 2x^2 - 8
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Is this right?
just tell me what was your steps before this answer
Lemme scroll up and copy paste it
waiting
Consider the parabola y = 3x^2 + 6x - 17:
a) Write the equation for the axis of symmetry
b) Find the coordinates of the vertex of the graph of the parabola
c) Identify the vertex as a maximum or minimum
d) Graph the parabola
I am not very good at parabolas so I am kinda lost. But I did try using a perfect square.
Is the question
ok first what's the vertex?
I haven’t got there yet
remember axis of symmetry is just "x = the x coordinate of the vertex"
Waitttt
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ok chidu the first step is to find the vertex
it's ok
My first step was factorizing 3x^2 + 6x and I got 3(x^2 + 2x)
I was listening to the other guy
oh ok
Ok I’ll just restart
the vertex lets you do a, b, and c
ok so
and it will be (-1,-20)
calculate it
i will explain sorry
yk the formula for vertex?
do you know -b/2a
now i do
yeah
the x coord is -b/2a
then plug that into the equation to get the y coord
this will give you b!
and the y coord will be f(-b/2a)
bruh
my brain is malfunctioning
no garuntee he knows what that means, functions were introduced after quadratics for me
huh
i dont know what it means (i came from a behind school and then i got into a rigorous school and the curriculum jumped up)
dw
i took a placement test and got put in Algebra 2 and i am lost in basically every concept it has
ok so what's the vertex
ahh
happens a lot
ok i can help you with this stuff
you just know vertex formules
damn
see?
its okey dw easy a lot
not everyone is cracked at math bruh
real
ok so
first u need to know the equation
so im starting with
y = 3x² + 6x - 17
how do i implement that into the vertex formula
ax^2+bx+c this is our equation right?
can u like pop out its kinda confusing having 2 people tell me 2 different things and the other guy was here first
oh wait no he wasn
thats right i will go
ok so
but i find his instructions more clear
listening
the general form of any quadratic equation is ax^2 + bx + c
define a and b
what's your equation again
i'm glad if I could help you a little if I could
👍
y = 3x² + 6x - 17 so a = 3 and b = 6
-6/(2*3) is -1
so that would be the answer to b
kk
the axis of symetry is the equation of the vertical line that cuts it in half
it's just "x = the x coordinate of the vertex"
so -1
gonna mark this rq
for parabolas
ok
if a is positive the vertex is the mininum point of the quadratic equation right
the y coordinate of the vertex is the smallest value that can be outputted
(note that in algebra 2 this becomes false)
but this is only true if a is positive
if a is negative then it's the maximum value right
wouldn't it just be minimum then since a = 3 and 3 is a positive number
yes
gotta answer 25 algebra 2 math questions and read 2 books before school year starts (i just got into the school and they already making me do this)
did you skip geometry?
this coming school year yeah
did you skip algebra 1?
i never even took algebra 1 i just got put in algebra 2 based on my performance
ok do you know how to graph a quadratic equation?
bruh school system is bad
ngl it might lowkey just be because i have good luck
i solved on all the questions ik how to do and then just guessed
no
it was a google form with 50 questions
the placements were Algebra 1, Algebra 2 and AP Algebra 2
some were exact answers and some were 4 mca's
does your school have geometry?
the one im leaving or the one im going to
ok back to the question at hand
yeah
do you know how to graph a quadratic?
also feel free to dm me about these other problems, i can help you understand the concepts
yeah but if you ever need help with understanding the concepts
?
i will do that
nope im writing on my personal notebook
ok
yeah do that
cuz im tired of doing this bs of drawing the most crooked handdrawn graphs
then make a 20x20 box and add the x and y axis and make the marks and all that
or 10x10
does the scale have to be 1?
just make sure it's even
i generally do increments of 1
but for this problem
ok
do increments of 2 on a 20x20 box
actually do increments of 4 every other square
because it makes the numbers easier to read
hold on ima just send a picture
oh wait nvm
i get it
ima ask for graph paper tho
its labeled now
y'know pondering on it now i really had enough space to do a 1 scale-
the graph big as hell
yeah
ok
3x^2 + 6x - 17 right
yes
lol
still on this?
ight im done labelling the points
ok i plotted the vertex
speedydelete
is there something missing here?
does that sign to the right of -b mean plus or minus
yes
this finds x where ax^2 + bx + c = 0
always
i can show you why it works if you want
question c asks about the vertex, so it would be easiest to rewrite it as vertex form, which you can do by completing the square
oh right
ok so
thats where me and him left off last
i got (x + x)^2 + -8
now any vertex is of the form (h, k)
now here's another magic thing
if (h, k) is the vertex of the quadratic equation, then you can rewrite it as
a(x - h)^2 + k
where a is the original value of a
what is h
how do you expand (x + 1)²
its problem number 11
i was able to solve the first 10 on my own
ok
what do you currently have
i was trying to solve it but my brother is nagging on my shoulder correcting my work so i have nothing cuz he keeps on saying its wrong
3(x + 1)² + 20 = 0
but i have a question
in 3(x + 1)² do you distribute 3 or do the exponent first
PEMDAS
no
you get (x + 1)^2 = -20/3
wait im confused
you don't distribute the 3 lol
is the equation 3(x + 1) ^2 = -20 or 3(x + 1)² + 20 = 0
it doesn't matter they mean the same thing
3(x + 1) ^2 = -20
/3 /3
(x + 1)² = -20/3
x² + 1 = -20/3
-3/3 -3/3
x² = -23/3
sq root sq root
x = 1.59861051 i
yk what complex numbers are?
thats wrong lol
(x + 1)^2 = x^2 + 2x + 1 not x^2 + 1
ok so
you have (x + 1)^2 = -20/3 right
so then
you take the square root of both sides!
now you have $x + 1 =\pm\sqrt{\frac{-20}{3}}$
speedydelete
you do the plus minus because squaring produces the same output
can you solve it now
i can solve it now but i just need one more thing to know
can u use plus/minus in another example?
sqrt(-20/3) = sqrt(-20)/sqrt(3) = sqrt(-20)sqrt(3)/3 = sqrt(-60)/3 = sqrt(60)i/3
uh sure
yk what absolute values are
yess
do you get this too?
the av value and the non av value
yes
$x = \pm \ |x|$
when it says sqrt(-20)sqrt(3)/3 wouldn´t you multiply it by 3
speedydelete
instead of divide by 3
no no no
for some reason
well ik the reason
why are we double dividing?
teachers won't give you credit if there are square root signs at the bottom of fractions
🤦
so i multiplied both sides of the fraction by sqrt(3) to remove it
wait so
hold on
so what im understanding
sqrt(-20/3) = sqrt of them individualy and those become two separate parts so when u seperate the 3 from -20 it becomes its own thing so dividing it cancels it?
oh wait
yeah i get the equation now
speedydelete
so now just subtract 1
actually that's not in simplest form
60 = 4*15 right
so sqrt(60) = sqrt(4)*sqrt(15)
ight
$x = \pm \frac{2\sqrt{15}i}{3} - 1$
speedydelete
plug in random x values?
i gotta plug in random x values?
again dm me if you want to understand concepts i will answer much faster than this place generally
just do integer values
so 1 2 3?
-1, 0, -2, and -3?
substitute those in for x and solve the equations then label it?
on the graph?
ight ty
i wanna leave the channel open tho so i can look back
just remember it's help-27 and scroll up
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i got it i dont need anymore help im just looking back at the channel to find one last hting
i think me and you are both over this 💀
im chillin
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is the following true? if Pr(~A) > Pr(~B), then Pr(A) < Pr(B)
Pr(A) + Pr(~A) = 1
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that’s pretty much exactly what you need for the proof
P(~A) = 1-P(A), so your P(~A) > P(~B) turns into 1-P(A) > 1 - P(B)
very straightforward to get your conclusion from the hypothesis
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Im confused what it wants.
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,,G = \big { \vec{x} \in \mathbb{R} : : : x^2+y^2=(2(2-z))^2, 0\leq z \leq 1 \big }
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My question is this
I have first to give context
Basically this is a frustum of a cone
and I need to find a parametrization for the "lateral surface area"
the blue
and I first used cylinder coordinates
to describe the whole surface
,,K : \begin{pmatrix} r \cos\theta \ r\sin\theta \ z \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} r \cos\theta \ r\sin\theta \ 2-\frac{r}{2} \end{pmatrix} \quad \theta \in [0, 2\pi], : r \in (0, 2(2-z)]
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acshually
yea so to continue
The "lateral surface" in the solution is $$\vec{x}_L = \begin{pmatrix} 2(2-z) \cos\theta \ 2(2-z) \sin\theta \ z \end{pmatrix} \quad \theta \in [0, 2\pi], : z \in [0,1]$$ but I wanted to ask if my parametrization is also fine
$$\vec{x}_L = \begin{pmatrix} r \cos\theta \ r \sin\theta \ 2- \frac{r}{2} \end{pmatrix} \quad \theta \in [0, 2\pi], : r \in [2,4]$$
hmm i have a feeling this is a lot simpler
r = (2(2-z))^2, right? for example whats wrong with fixing z, getting the circumference of the circle and then integrating over z
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nothing wrong
i just want to explore things for the exam
that's how i tend to get a better understanding
it's because
when I use polar coordinates i am used to theta and r but now theta and z is a new thing
Like what I mean is $\vec{x}_L(\theta, r)$ is more familiar than $\vec{x}_L(\theta, z)$.
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ah okay i see
you were trying to parameterize, not just compute it
mbmb
glad you figured it out
yea
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we only need 3 points to find the area right, does it matter which 3?
imagining a parrallelogram if I choose the furthest points away from each other and another point would the cross product of that still be the area?
Yeah I think so, just remember your right hand rule stuff
Ah you probably want ad in that case right?
Ab and bc should work though
AB × AC
= AB × (AB + AD)
= AB × AB + AB × AD
= 0 + AB × AD
= AB × AD
So it does not matter which 3
You can also draw the parallelogram associated and see that the area they share is half of both of them
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Reopening for you @glossy owl #help-27 message
thank you, my bad
Major problems:
Problem 2 you prove something completely wrong.
Minor quibbles:
Problem 1 part 1, you have a latex typo, /in should be \in
Problem 2 you have a ~ x and bx but you probably mean b ~ x as well.
I've only gone through problem 2 so far
I have the quibbles fixed no worries, these are screenshots before the read through on typos.
In 2, you are supposed to prove [a] cap [b] = {} OR [a] = [b]
Instead you say [a] cap [b] = {} implies [a] = [b], which is almost the opposite
Okay, I'll work on that.
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If someone could check over these proof for Analysis I I would really appreciate it.
I redid 2
This solution for 2 suffices, with some weird phrasing in places but still perfectly clear.
For 1), i don't quite know if you've already shown something in class that makes this make sense but it seems like you assume in the => direction that being bijective implies being invertible (line 4 of the proof) which is kinda what you're trying to prove here in the first place
I haven't read through all of 4 and checked the specific math but the idea is right. i assume you have a LaTeX typo in the second to last line though where it says p \in s_{?3}
- is great, aside from a \in typo early on
I fixed all the typos, no worries. For 1) what would I change?
Do I just take out the invertible and try to prove it later on>
Up to the blue line is okay, you've defined g in the right way, but the way you show that its the inverse is a bit unclear. For f(g(y))=y for y in Y, g(y):=x s.t. f(x)=y by your definition which you've explained well enough, but you also should show that g(f(x))=x for x in X, for which you can say: let f(x)=y, so that g(f(x))=g(y)=x
Both of these things are basically just "it falls out of the definition" but you really need to explicitly state that f(g(y))=y and g(f(x))=x and why it follows from your definition of the function.
The thing after the blue line just doesn't really make sense, I think its supposed to be like a concluding statement for your proof, but it reads as another step. After showing the two things I said above, you are done.
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Hi probably a dumb question but i need a sanity check lol
“x is a function of y. When plotted in the xy-coordinate plane, the function g(y) intersects the y-axis twice.” We want to roughly show that the number of intersection point between g(y) + 1 is in {0,1,2} and thus can’t be uniquely determined. “
Some tutor posted this solution, isn’t this just wrong?
It’s not even a function in (y) to begin with, no?
lol
the tutor flipped the x and y axes so it would look like a function in x you're used to dealing with
Ohh, I didn’t realize that
Well is that the optimal way to do it?
What would you have done?
yeah that's what I was thinking to do before you posted the picture
I'd say it looks good and makes sense to me, if you have any other doubts I can try to help on this
It makes sense to me now, I think i didn’t notice his new definition of a coordinate system, but hmm wait
what if i was working in x-y instead of y-x
is that just a 90 degree clockwise rotation of the parabola?
it got me thinking how + 1 translates there
not quite, it'll actually look like a reflection through the diagonal line y=x
maybe this helps to see
So basically you’re tryna plot an “inverse function” of sorts?
yeah sort of, except it won't be an inverse usually speaking
like you can see how it doesn't pass the vertical line test (or horiztonal line test if you're looking at it the other way)
yeah
okay okay i see, but wait how does the “+1” translate in the side way version of the parabola?
it isn’t clear to me the +1 pushes it to the right
well if u swap the x and ys then it becomes intuition but otherwise no
g(y) is a sideway parabola so g(y) + 1 is a sideway parabola shifted 1 unit to the right?
oh + 1 means move 1 unit in the direction of positive x?
yeah the +1 is moving it up cause now it's x=g(y), so now that we've swapped the axes in the picture it looks like y=g(x)
and so +1 is doing y=g(x)+1
exactly
ah cool, final thing which probably has to do with the phrase of the question but:
“x is a function of y” and how exactly does that line alongside the last one translate to x = g(x) + 1
hi kiz
no that’s my bf
it won't be x=g(x)+1
sorry i mean x = g(y) + 1

when we flip the x and y axes in the picture, it's the exact same thing as if we switch the variables y = g(x) +1
idk if that's sort of the thing you're thinking about or something else
well uh i was thinking about something like:
“x is a function of y…the function g(y) + 1” -> how does that translate to like x = g(y) + 1
so normally you have that y is a function of x
and this is just the “opposite”
so instead of y = g(x) + 1 you have x = g(y) + 1?
x is a function of y means we can pick any value of y and plug it in to get a value of x out
for instance x = y^2 you could pick y = 2 and get x=4 out
or put in y=-3 and get x=9 out
you can't necessarily do the same the reverse way, since if I give you x=4 you can't tell me if that came from y=2 or y=-2, so in this example y is not a function of x
sure okay makes sense, cuz the sideways parabola isn’t even a function
okay okay thanks 
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Hello there!
I just had a question with this problem
This is what I did and I was wondering if I messed up anywhere
sorry, what is the problem?
I was wondering if my work was correct
Oops I thought I sent it to you
ah ok, gotcha
yeah this looks good
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Susan is writing a novel that will be 950-pages long when finished. She can write 10 pages per day on weekdays and 20 pages per day on weekends. I am trying to find the least number of days it would take her.
Here is my calculation. I got 72 as my answer, however the correct answer is 73. I am not quite sure where I went wrong there
Oh 950, not 920. Lol
I'm getting 74 now rounded up instead of 73. Am I doing anything incorrectly?
this works if you must start on monday
you should calculate it as if you need to write 910 pages
or maybe that won't work still
73 is correct
So I cannot do it as a single algebraic expression?
i don't think so
Aha, that's good to know. So I can at least avoid making the mistake in the future. I am guessing the better way is to compute it only a weekly basis and see where it breaks off
Thank you 🙂
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Is there a way where we don't use inequalities
Why not
You’ll have to use monotonicity for integrals one way or another
Can we solve the integration ?
Oh welp yeah if you want lmao
But that’s not needed, you’ll find that the inequality way is a lot friendlier
I see, well I guess option d) is really the only one you’d have to check separately
The other three options can be done swiftly-ish if you did it the inequality way, i.e using monotonicity arguments
monotonicity arguments?
You kept using the word inequality, what’s that process? Since that’s what I’m referring to read my comment again
This is what they(solution) did
For x ranging between pi/4 and pi/2
sinx > cosx
Yes
And from here on they started building the function inside the integrations
Is there an intuitive way ?
For understanding the inequalities?
no,for solving this question
I guess you could just draw the graphs of the integrands
oh my
Lmao understating the inequalities would be solving the question
I’m telling you, that’s the most direct and easy way of going about this
I could help you understand the inequalities, that’s the key here
I am good with ineequalities,its just not the method i prefer to use while solving because i tend to make a lot of silly mistakes
try graphing the two functions and visually comparing the areas
1Graphing is way worse, i am more comfortable with inequalities than graphs
since they're exponentials they're all positive, and you can compare the functions directly since one is the reciprocal of the other
Okay
You should start investing more time to get used to them, it’s really useful
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Hii! Can someone explain this question to me?
do you know of any theorm that relates the angle subtended by an arc at the centre of a circle to that subtended at the vertex
Umm no I don’t think so 🤔 (English is not my native language maybe I understood your question wrong)
one minute
The angle subtended by an arc at the centre is double the angle subtended by it at any point on the remaining part of the circle.
Ooh!
so what is angle AOC
yes!
now for the next question
do you know what the sum of opposite angles of a cyclic quadrilateral is
Nope sadly no
do you know what a cylic quadrilateral is
I don’t even know what a cyclic quadrilateral is?
Oh no
,w cyclic quadrilateral
basically a quadrilateral inscribed in a circle
Ooh!
So when B is 58 then D is 122
I think so too
Ok thank you so much!!
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cant see mate
ahh classic
a^3 + b^3 + c^3 = 3abc
then a + b + c = 0
its an identity or whatever u wanna call it
yes, but these are moduli so it can't be true
no
(p - q)^2 + (q - r)^2 + (r - p)^2 = 0
so p = q = r
how?
p q r are real
how to write it i mean
sum of real squares = 0 forces all squares = 0
sum of squares = 0 means the numbers r 0

its just geometry at this point
u, v and w lies on a circle
Pro_Hecker
$w = xe^{i\theta_1}; v =xe^{i\theta_2}; u=xe^{i\theta_3}$
Pro_Hecker
oh so option (a)?
yes
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multiplying a vector with a unit vector will just change its direction?
Hello
Dotting with a unit vector doesn't really do much I mean
After you do it it's a scalar so there's no talk of direction
ohh right
dotting with the nth unit vector just gets you the nth component of your vector as a scalar
for instance, (1,2,3)^T . (0,1,0)^T = 2
wait how many unit vectors are there
ie. dot product with e_2 gives the 2nd component, etc
3?
depends what space you're in
so it just needs to have a magnitude of 1
$\mathbb{R}^3$ has 3 dimensions
Bob Goldham
the plane (R²) has 2
so in 3d its
(1, 0, 0)
(0, 1, 0)
(0, 0, 1)
in euclidean spaces, the unit vector is the vector is the vector that is 1 in one component and 0 in all others
yes
in 5d it'd be (0,0,0,0,1) (0,0,0,1,0) (0,0,1,0,0) (0,1,0,0,0) (1,0,0,0,0)
wait ill prolly just follow this question up lol
(each transposed)
since we generally consider column vectors
a= any vector
b= unit vector
what would (a.b)b look like
like its just multiplied
theres no cross or dot
scalar multiplication yeah
Hi
if b is the nth unit vector, this operation basically sets all components of a except the nth component to 0
while leaving the nth component unchanged
Hi
a=(5,10,15)^T b=(0,0,1)^T would result in (0,0,15)^T
Hello
wait whats T?
transponsed
$\begin{pmatrix}
5\
10\
15
\end{pmatrix}$
Bob Goldham
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Is $\bR$ the field of fractions of any of its proper subrings?
thewizardofOU
isn't Q the field of fractions of itself?
yes
oh you're asking if R can be the field of fractions of some subring
yeah
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Suppose there exists a field F such that Quot(F) = R. Then for all r in R there exists a, b in F such that a/b = r, which implies a = br. a = br is a member of F, and b is also a member of F, therefore, r is also a member of F. But r is an arbitrary real number, so every r is in F, so F is just R.
Or am I misunderstanding the question?
right, which is why i'm asking about subrings
I guess you didn't specify that F is a division ring
every proper subfield would be it's own quotient field
since fields are their own quotient fields
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So i just finished my discrete math exam
And there was a question: is 125^125 divisibile by 81?
so do you need the answer to it?
you'll see it's not possible
it's not possible at all since you cant divide 125 by 3
And then I wrote that 44 = 4x11 and 125=3^4, so 44^125 will be some multiple of 4 and since 4 isn't a factor of 125, then 125^125 cannot be divisible by 81
Is this wrong?
Please tell me this is correct
you could just see the factors
Its probably wrong though
5^3 vs 3^4
For a number to be divisible by the other it needs to be a multiple
but (5^3)^whatever can never be a multiple of 3^4
So I just added another unnecessary step
it's all 5s
The one where I make 125 become 44
yeah lol
Anyway would you mark this correct or not?
it just isn't possible from the factors alone
I'm not a teacher 💀
I think it shouldn't be wrong but I'm not sure if that's the concept they want you to use
good luck I guess lol
Yea probably not, atleast maybe I get some points and not 0
Thanks!!
you should get marks for getting the answer at least
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Can someone explain to me question 35
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for f(x)/g(x) to be defined
f(x) and g(x) need to defined
and g(x) can't be 0
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I don’t feel like doing LaTeX
(1,5) if you can’t see it
Also it’s 1:43 in my timezone and i’m tired
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