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Never seen it before
The right hand side is just (3n+3)! Which is kind of interesting
No it’s not true I just checked
No you can just plug in n=1 which is a pretty clear counterexample
ugh
im trying to find out how to expand it
the problem has (n!)^3/(3n)!
i want to figure out how to cancel the 3n!
What's the original problem?
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How can i find the shaded area?function r(\theta)=\theta\cdot\sin(2\theta) and it graphed between 0 and pi. I am struggling to find limits of the integral. I know i need to set r equal zero and find the roots. There are 3 roots. 0,pi,pi/2 and i don't know which ones are the limits
$r(\theta)=\theta\cdot\sin(2\theta)$
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its most likely between pi/2 and pi, since it is impossible for it to create that curve in the fourth quadrant between 0 and pi/2
the radius can only be positive or negative
meaning that it can either be in the first or third quadrant for all values between 0 and pi/2
the area is between 0 and 3pi/2 that's why i kinda thought 0 pi/2 was the answer but can you elaborate on how did you deicde on those values?
if we consider theta ranging from 0 to pi/2
the radius can either be positive or negative
if its positive, then itll sweep out a curve in quadrant 1
if its negative itll sweep out a curve in quadrant 3
i undersand it can be in 1'st quadrant but how can it be on 3th?
wouldn't it be 4th then?
not exactly
when we graph these lines, we would imagine ourselves drawing a line through the origin
and at each theta value
if it is positive, itll point in the quadrant that theta lies
if it is negative, we go to the opposite end of the line
which would give us the quadrant that is diagonal from our supposed quadrant
you can also test out theta values between 0 and pi/2 as well as pi/2 and pi to check
can you suggest me a video that can help me understand this? I feel like dumb rn
try this
This Precalculus video tutorial provides a basic introduction into polar coordinates. It explains how to convert polar coordinates to rectangular coordinates and how to graph polar coordinates by plotting points using the radius of a circle and the angle measured counter clockwise from the positive x axis. In addition, it explains how to conve...
wait nvm this one is probably better
thanks so you mean 1-3 and 2-4 quadrants would give the same result?
what do you mean same result?
like if we take the limits of the integral 3pi/2 and 2pi we can take them as pi/2 and pi and it would'nt be wrong
so if you were to graph this on desmos, between 3pi/2 and 2pi, it sweeps out an entire different portion of the graph
when compared to pi/2 and pi
maybe itll help to graph it out on desmos to see how it creates the curve
maybe since it is 1 am i have started to loose my marbles. I will check desmos and the video tomorrow
Thanks
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i dont get how to do 18
magnitude formula
yes
(5^2+10^2+10^2)^1/2
npp
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how do I proceed with this problem
so represent it with an integral first
yep
then do I split it up
well just integrate the function from 1 to 3
no need to split it up
or did you mean to split up the integrand
Oh and what about y do you keep y as just y?
(i am also learning this I don't know how to solve so asked)
that becomes Area
y0shi
no need for any formulas
Oh so integration of y is area
yes between the function and the x axis that is
Icic
okay so from that I'm a little confused as to how I should start solving
do I do u sub again?
yep
maybe the u sub isnt too obvious tho
i would recommend moving the 3 from the x^3 out of the ln first
and then sub the entire numerator
y0shi
that should be the integral you have right
yep
so 1 + 3ln(x) / x
yep
So will it be 1/x + 3lnx/x integration
then do I just plug in the lower and upper numbers?
U integrate first
you have to find the antiderivative first
oh right
you can definitely split it up first
ah okay
or just u sub the entire numerator
I'm confused bc this doesn't allow me to put a C
oh right
this is a definite integral
so we would have to use the fundamental theorem of calculus
wait so what is the difference between this and one where I would add C
I remember that coming up but what does that mean?
you would add a C when it is an indefinite integral where there are no bounds
since an indefinite integral would represent us trying to find the antiderivative and not area
y0shi
okay
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I did (ln|3| + 3(ln(3)^2)/(2)) - (ln|1| + 3(ln(1)^2)/(2)) and got 1.819
it shows up as the wrong answer tho
what am I doing wrong
How are you working out the integral?
I split it up into 1/x + 3ln(x)/x
and then I found the derivative for the first to be ln|x|
and the second 3(ln(x))^2)/2
the second might be wrong?
did you do ln 3^2 or (ln 3)^2
it should be the second one since that was our antiderivative
yeah I did the second one
it shouldnt give you 1.819 then
oh okay I got 2.909 that time
I'm not sure what I did wrong but maybe I didn't use enough parentheses
yeah that happens
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yeah lol
maybe I'll use an online calculator bc it's easier to insert parentheses and stuff
especially if you miss them you don't have to rewrite the entire equation
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Is this correct? If yes then how did we derived this?
See if u can establish a pattern with the terms of the series
2^1 = 2
2^3 = 8
2^5 = 32
2^7 = 128
Also, notice how signs alternate, and numerator is always 1
See if u can go from there
I had already noticed all that
But I still cannot figure out how it all came out to be sqrt of 1?
I mean 2
In terms of n, what did u make the pattern out to be
(Or in terms of any variable u want)
I didn't get your question
The pattern is simply just two more to the power of two in denominator with alternating plus and minus sign (if that's what you were asking)
Yes I do
Ok, excluding the first term, what’s the common ratio of this infinite geometric series
What about them?
U have to include the fact that we have alternating signs in ur common ratio. 1/2 * (1/2^2) is not equal to -1/8
So how should have I written the common ratio?
Figure it out: what do u multiply 1/2 by to get -1/8?
I do not remember
Okay
Plug in and see what u get
No
what?
Try again
first term is 1/2 right?
Yea
No
Common ratio was -1/4?
Yes
2/5
Yes
Why?
We can say that
but it is not correct
because it would be a rational number
and sqrt2 is irrariotanal
irrational*
ok
Yes
why is that so? why is it wrong?
Why is this not correct
I mean we used the formula for geomteric series sum
1+(2/5) = 7/5 = 1.4 != sqrt(2) ~1.414…
Is that factorial after 1.4?
No, != means not equal to
If u wanted something in the form
Sqrt2 = 1 + series
Then yes the series is wrong
But it does get closer to actual value after every value in the series
why is that so?
Are u asking why infinite geometric series converge to a certain value?
no, I am asking that why is the equation wrong
When we evaluate it, it gives value closer and closer to actual value of sqrt 2 after every term
And why is the equation famous? How and why did this equation became popular when it is wrong? Also do you know how someone would have came up with this equation? If we could see the process behind it, we would answer many things by ourselves
Do we have any equation (maybe an infinite sum series) in maths that gives us answer to any root problem specially when the answer is irrational?
Honestly I’ve never even heard of this equation. Maybe someone else here has and im just in the dark about it. Seems like some approximation for sqrt(2) but it’s more than 0.01 away from the actual value of sqrt(2), so idk why it’s useful
Yea I mean u can express some irrational numbers through Taylor series
oh okay
I just had found this on the internet. I myself wasn't aware of it before as well
not expressing
I meant a equation that works for any root of any number?
I would just have to insert the values and it gives me the nth root of the specific number
How does our calculators operate the roots? What principle do they use?
Not too sure honestly, maybe someone else who knows the answer can come along and help
I’m sure Google has some answers too for this kind of stuff
I couldn't find it on google so I thought to ask here
but thanks for the help
Yea maybe open a new channel and ask those questions
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I need help with this question
It didn’t make sense to me since the cup of the coffee or increment was -4
what?
Like when I did it
The maximum value I got was like 1152 but the cup of corfeee was -4 dollars
Which made me confused
,w max (1.4+0.05x)(800-40*x)
,w plot (1.4+0.05x)(800-40*x)
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So my final answer I got was 1.25
But my friend said it is 1.2
I’m confused
It means like they sold 800 cups of coffee a day
For 1.4$
But then after I did the calculations
I got -4 as how much I should decrease the cost
Yes so 1.4+0.05*-4=1.2
Yes
Why do you multiply it by four
I just minused it by 0.05 four times
And got 1.25
Like you decrement by 4 times
So 0.05 -0.05x4
Huh?
Your intial price is 1.4
Yes
maximum is if you decrease the price by 0.05*4
This makes it decrease 0.15
Why
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how do I solve this
do I gotta do the 3 step continuity test?
or is that not necessary for this problem
im used to solving a continuity question in like a piecewise format
ugh I already hate that problem because the first one isn't defined on that interval
so the question doesn't make a lot of sense
But I think your teacher might think that 1/x is not a continuous function for whatever reason because unfortunately a lot of people seem to think that
key says the answer is E but how
yeah well II and III are certainly continuous
II is continuous because it's piecewise continuous and at x=0 it's clearly continuous
h is continuous because all root functions are continuous
f is up for debate...
so I just do the 3 step continuity test for each function
if I dont know by just looking at it
Well if I understand correctly what the 3 step continuity step is then I think it's a test for determining whether a function is continuous at a given point
so for example you could do that test for |x| at x=0
but if you're asked whether a function is continuous on an interval, then you probably have to appeal to well-known results
unless it's a piecewise function, in which case you have to be very careful when the definition changes
You can tell your teacher that 1/x is a continuous function, meaning it's continuous on all points of its domain, so therefore any problem where you claim that 1/x is, in any sense, "not continuous", is a pedagogical catastrophy
The problem is basically like asking "is 1/x a continuous function on the set of all nonzero polynomials"
but that makes no sense because 1/x is not a function defined for polynomials
And that's a bad example because you could conceivably think of a function that maps a nonzero polynomial p to the rational function 1/p
but you cannot, under any scenario, interpret 1/0 in any reasonable fashion. And as a result, if you remove 0 from the domain, then your function IS continuous on [-1, 1]\{0}
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Can anyone help me ?
I managed to do A, the problem is B, C and D
And I discovered that X≠-5
in question D in the photo it says r but it is X
Notice it's actually affine in y
So for a fixed x there's only one real y leading to a solution
When is that y an integer?
In fact, I think that X and Y can be several numbers like these:
( X; Y )
( 2; 7 )
( 3; 25 )
( 7; 227)
Well it is asking for the number of solutions
It could even be infinite
Yes I thought about that too but asking "how many" seems like the question wants a specific number
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How do you find the parametric equations for this curve? I know how to find the equations when it’s a line, but I’m confused how to start
looks like an ellipse but i have no idea
you usually start with the parametric equation of a circle of radius r, which is (rcos(t), rsin(t))
and just squish it or whatever to make that shape
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I tried and I sort of got it, but obviously the left side of the ellipse shouldn’t be there
that's good, try -pi/2 to pi/2
how do you determine the t values?
the curve starts on the right at t=0, and goes counterclockwise and repeats at 2pi
so bottom to top is -pi/2 to pi/2
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can someone explain to me how they got this as the answer ??
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The number of integral solution of the equation:\$x^{3}-8xy+x^{2}y-8x^{2}+xy^{2}-8y^{2}+y^{3}-8=0$\ is?
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It doesn't seem to be factorable
the options are
(A) 2
(B) 4
(C) 12
(D) 3
The polynomial is symmetric
so option D is eliminated at first glance
oh can I?
yeah
,w factor x^3-8xy+yx^2-8x^2+xy^2-8y^2+y^3-8
erm
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im abit confused. how did they see that the 5th score and 6th score is 11? and 10th and 11th score is 12?
you can imagine the data listed out completely so it would look like
10 10 10
11 11 11 11 11
12 12 12 12
13 13 13 13 13 13
15 15
then just count
thanks
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stupid question but whats the difference between ill and well conditioned? how do i recognize it
i also see moderatly ill conditioned
and i mean, how do i look at a matrix and see it? i have the proper definition but what do i actually look for
i see the larger the number, the more ill conditioned. but what is it in reference to?
whats the comparision?
why us 21 considered close? what is it relative to?
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is there an easy way to prove that cos(sqrt(n)) does not converge for naturals n?
or actually, that floor(cos(sqrt(n)) doesn't converge
you would just need to show that its not always positive or negative. that feels doable
there is a quite beautiful way using subgroups of R, are you familiar with group theory?
yeah a little
ok
then the schema for proving all your assertions would be :
- A = {n+2pim | n,m integers} is dense in R
- {cos(n) | n natural integer} is the image of A by cos, thus is dense in [-1,1]
- then cos(n) or floor(cos(n)) doesn't converge
I mean showing that A is dense is harder than just showing this
but that's overkill
yeah
you can also reason by absurd I think, and if c is the limit of cos(n) then apply trig identities
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I need to know what im missing here, The question asks for the curvature and radius
First pic is the question itself, 2nd pic is the answer and 3rd pic is one (out of many) attempt
The vector T seems very hard to derive, and I don't think I'm in the correct path to the wanted result
(In the point P = (2,2))
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This thing is in Portuguese?
Yes, but I'll do my best at translating if needed
Go ahead!
- Find the curvature and the radius of curvature of the curvature parameterized by r(t) = ( 2e^t , 2e^(-t) ), at P = ( 2 , 2 )
Crude translation but I hope you can get the ideia
Find the curvature and the radius of curvature of the curve parametrized by $(\sigma(t) = (2e^t, 2e^{-t}))$ at the point $ P = (2,2)$.
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do you know the standard formula for this?
there is one for curvature of parametrized curves
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hi! can any one help me make a product/grid table or tree diagram for this question?: “the mathematics club of a school has three members. how many ways can this club select a president and secretary if everyone is capable but no one can hold both positions?”
do you need to draw one of those?
because otherwise the problem is straightforward to do
yes
ok just do a tree diagram
you can have one of three choices for the first stage (president)
then one of two choices for the second stage (secretary)
do yk how to begin to draw one in that case?
yes so how many tree diagrams are there supposed to be?-
just 1 right?
yes
so first I start with president?
then what do I branch that with?
u have three choices
call the dudes idk
A, B, C
u can branch to either 3
okay so
president -A
-B
-C
what do I branch that with now?
if u picked A then u have B or C to choose from
if u picked B then u have C or A to choose from
if u picked C then u have A or B to choose from
you get the idea
Oooh okay
so I branch A with B and C?
okay okay
OKAY I GET IT NOW Thank you!!!
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Hey can someone help me on this
so the equation of \emph{any} line is given by [
y-y_0 = m(x-x_0)
]
yes
the equation of the \textbf{tangent} line is all the same, but the difference is that the slope of the tangent line IS the definition of the derivative. So we have: [
y-y_0 = \6{f'}{x_0}(x-x_0)
]
yes
right, does this help?
So i need to find another close cordinate to find the tangent line?
no the point (2,5) is all you need
ok give me a min let me try to solve it now
is the answer the first one
y=10x-15
I used dy/dx to find the slope
the slope was 10x
and then I applied (2,5) to y=10x+c to find c
and c was -15
So the answer should be y=10x-15
@restive river just let me know if I got it right
also Thanks by the way
yep it was correct
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A-Level Maths 🧮 Mechanics: projectile motion ⚽️ can you use your knowledge of projectile motion to calculate the speed you must kickable to hit the crossbar in a crossbar challenge? 💭
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What do they use cos and sin in there?
Why*
because you kick the ball horizontally and vertically and the same time
so the velocity vector has a x and y component
Vx = Vcostheta
i dont get it..
resolution of a vector
Ax, the horizontal speed, tells us how fast the ball reaches the net
Ay, the vertical speed, tells us how high the ball is when it reaches the net
it's a given
whats 30 degrees?
the question is to find the kick speed
So it could be any other angle
yeah
Ahh i see i see
wouldn't give the same answer tho
yes
-g is the vertical acceleration, or gravity in this case
How about u?
Ahh i see i see
here it's called u for some reason
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Is the way I solved correct
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I just can't solve this question
like
ik we have to v^2 = u^2 + 2as
but idk what value i should substitude
um you should use \newline
$h = u_y \cdot t - \frac {1}{2} \cdot g \cdot t^2$ \newline
$u_y = 14 sin(\alpha)$
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It's a projectile motion under the influence of gravity so the horizontal velocity remains the same in the entire process @restive river now try on your own
You're not supposed to write the answer sir, let them try
oh sorry i've not seen the "occupied"
no worries
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@jaunty abyss post your question
Is number 14 correct?? How did I get 5
I first write hi so nobody takes the channel
I was writing my question
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dont worry of you posted a question no one can take your channel
Tried to many times and had it stolen smh
14th i think is wrong
ight i ll raise this matter to mods and see if we can do something about this problem.
thanks for pointing it out
Yeah it didn’t seem right
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3 I guess
ight
so when it comes to these type of question.
just write it like this
$(5x^4)^(1/6)
like this
now do what is, that if the terms inside are in multiplication then you can split them like this
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and keep doing maths
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Jordon scores the 53 on his math test. the class averages 57 with the standard deviation of two points. How many standard deviations below the main does Jordan score?
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exucse me does anyone know how i can input this into my calculator
do you know the magnitude formula
yes
but i want to use my calculator to do it
cuz we dont get marks for working out
i doubt your calculator has a vector magnitude feature built in
it does
i saw my teacher use it lol
oh wild
yes
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im still waiting
Ok
Hi
What part are you on
Hello
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im still confused abt
Ok
how to figure how many hours are worked on the weekdays
i tried some weird working out but my answer was still wrong
but the real challenge is here ^^^
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If f is a linear map with f : IRn → IRn and Kern(f) = {o}, then
the mapping matrix A is invertible.
is this statement true or false?
Can you help me, I don't really know how I can argue. matrix A is invertible could mean that the rank is equal to n
and Kern(f) = {o} means the only vector I can insert in the mapping matrix is 0 to get the zero vector, all other vectors I insert get me a different vector
oh okay, so a possible mapping matrix is injective because of Kern(f) = {0} and surjective because of IRn -> IRn. And a bijective matrix is invertible, so the statement is correct
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can someone explain how to do part c ?
You can write A(t) as a function that describe the amount of water in the pipe
Then the least amount of water in the pipe will make dA(t)/dt = 0 and d^2A(t)/dt^2 > 0
I worked with that, sorry i didn't mention it but my graphing calculator doesn't have a CAS
how would i write that into a graphign calculator?
A(t) = 30 + R(t) - D(t)
let me show you the problem i am having with that
Then solve for t base on these condition
it want sme to specify a value for x at which i want the result of the derivative
You need to solve by hand
it's a pyq from AP calc AB, it's supposed to be done with a grpahing calculator, 2 questions with four parts each in just 30 minutes by hand is not possible
i think so
Cause u can graph it like Desmos then u can graph this and "see" at which t, A(t) is minimum
let me see
it becomes 0 at a negative value of time 😐
A(t) = 0 at like -30 or something
Thats not possible?
how can time be negative?
.
Can u restrict it? 0 < t < 8
Whats the solution then?
Yeah what is it?
it's 3. something
Hmm yea I think this works actually
But I would have to check if my graphing calculator would accept input like this
Thanks I will close the thread, I am outside so if I need help I’ll reopen when I get back home
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I have difficulty understanding this problem: Given a binary event $A={0,1}$ with $P(A=1)=0.75$ and a set of finite events $B_i$, $i=1,\dots,n$, mutually independent. Also given the probabilities $P(A|B_i)=\alpha_i$ and $P(B_i)=\beta_i$, $i=1,\dots,n$. How can you calculate $P[A|\bigcap_{i=1}^n B_i]$?
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Is P(A) = P(A =1) = Probability that even A happens?
And can we deduce something like P(A) = \alpha ?
no
do this
Okay I can get that but what is mean by P(A | B_i)? Probability that B_i happens given … what?
no
probability of A given B_i
Let (A, B) be events. Define
$$P(A|B) \coloneq \frac{P(A\cap B)}{P(B)}$$
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if P(B) = 0, define P(A|B) = 0
The part that I don’t get is that P(A) is not an event by itself. I need to calculate P(A) \times P(B_i). But is it P(A = 1) \times P(B_i) or P(A = 0) \times P(B_i) ?
P(A) is not an event it is a number, A is an event
where do you need to calculate P(A) * P(B_i)?
could i get help
yes I meant that A is not an event
yeah i dont think A is an event either
because of this
i dont think P(A|B_i) is well defined
the first slot of P( • | • ) needs to be an event
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how did they turn the first one to the second one?
they factored
I can't see how
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i dont get it, the question was
i get the second line, how does it go form the second to the third?
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Am I doing this right so far and if so what’s my next step?
So
I need to take the antiderivative of it
And so I tried ln|x|
But I don’t see how I can
You can do it by doing this
$\frac{1}{(u-1)(u)} = \frac{A}{u-1} + \frac{B}{u}$
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After you do that ln will work nicely
Yes
wait a sec
ok
Im not english native so i can't explain properly, here is the method... i can try to explain if you have any questiosn
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idk if you did sub for u, just revert to z
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Given a boundary box with known side lengths that fits an ellipse that is tangent to all four sides and the ellipse is at a known angle theta, solve for the lengths of the semi-major axis and semi-minor axis
Pretty much every resource I've used to try to get a formula uses a rotated boundary box, but I need a formula to get the axis lengths when the boundary box is aligned with the x and y axis
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How they did this?
I think the RHS should be 10 for the second equation
Wait let me think
What is written in the picture does not look correct
We would have log_10(x^x)/40 = 1 as the final equation if we want the RHS to equal 1
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What is 2^5
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32 = 2^5
hmm
,w 2^(2.5^2) = 32(2^(4 * 2.5))
$\log(2x)^2 = \log[32(2^(4x))]$
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rynite
$x\log2 + x\log2 = \log32 + 4x\log2$
rynite
$2x\log2 = \log32 + 4x\log2$
rynite
$-2x\log2 = \log32$
rynite
$-2x = \frac{\log32}{\log2}$
rynite
$-2x = 5$
rynite
$x = -2.5$
rynite
@final scarab
rynite
so what's wrong now?
The issue is with exponentiation
You have worked with (2^x)^2
You should instead work 2^(x^2)
isn't that equivalent to
2^x + 2^x
no that is not related to what I have written
To give an analogy: calculate 2^3^2 on a calculator the answer will be 2^9. Instead in your scenairo we are treating it as (2^3)^2 or in other words 8^2
huh
I thought
$(2^x)^2 = 2^x + 2^x$
rynite
(2^x)^2 = 2^x * 2^x
OH RIGHT... I understand my mistake now :)
If we applied logs then we would get 2log(2^x)
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alright ill solve it again
$x^2\log2 = \log32 + 4x\log2$
rynite
is that right so far
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Take a slight step back. Let's go back to $log (2^x)^2 = log(2^x+2^x)$.
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I got a right answer though
Oh, why'd you reopen it then?
All g
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I’m stuck on final step
If you have an expression like 1/4 * x the it becomes x/4... is that what you're asking?
An no I mean in the denominator
There’s a 1/4 and then the root
How is it that in the black instead of 1/4 they have just 4
Oh, you mean how the fraction exponent turned into a root?
My answer is identical except for that one
Nooo the other thing
Wait I’ll draw it
You took 1/4 in Dr
(a/b) * (c/d) = (ac/bd)
