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I'm confused exactly what the set of points describing a "slab" is
it says I think in the image that the points are
{y in R2 | c<= a^T y <= b }
but
what are c, a^T, and b?
and when it says it can be constructed by intersecting two opposing halfspaces whose bounding hyperplanes are parallel but not coincident
what is a halfspace?
something related to a subspace I assume
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these are the two halfspaces
draw a line in the plane and take all points "below" it
that's an example of a halfspace in R^2
all points above it is another halfspace
my convex optimization sir taught me about halfspaces
wow I need a convex optimization sir
Do you know about the other doubt I had?
which one?
the beginning doubt of this channel
let's start with something simpler, {y in R2 | a^T y <= b }
Sure
a^T and b are fixed
Sure
(a1, a2) * (y1, y2) <= b
the set of all (y1, y2) satisfying this for fixed (a1,a2)
yea
Am I supposed to be able to visualize that?
Let's say b is 1/2 or something
and a=(2,5)
i have trouble visualizing it just from that but you can see it's equivalent to all points under a line with some algebra
yep
how do we guarantee that the lines are
like in proper order
so that we get a slab rather than some unbounded set like the complement of the slab
thank my convex optimization sir
have you had any semi-definite programming sirs?
my convex optimization sir taught me some linear programming which i think is related
yes
i probably can't help tho
I badly need a SDP and convex optimization sir
ever do maxcuts and Goemanns-williamson?
it's the best algorithm for finding a lower bound on the max-cut
if u do much better apparently u prove P=NP
but my sir wants us to improve it
there's some wiggle room before P=NP
i guess this picture was a little imperfect, both the half spaces should include the blue
and the slab is the intersection of them
Makes sense
you have an intensive sir
yes he thinks I know much more than I do
I asked him about grading scheme
and he told me if I improve the max cuts
I get a 4.0

I also have the option of failing to improve the maxcuts
but documenting my failure
anyhow it's kind of cool but I'm not as good as my sir
maxcuts is like nearly solved if ur in like all of the complicated cases
but if ur graph is like
almost bipartite
which is nice for the max cut
it's actually
bad
for ur algorithm
idk
u would have to ask my sir
i'm making a wordle solver for a project my optimization sir assigned
typical
solve max cuts instead
and then tell me ho
how
he did say something about max cuts to me and my friend when we were talking to him about our project but i can't remember what it was
yea
I should take that
it's pretty cool
Third quarter of a three-quarter sequence on combinatorics, covering topics selected from among enumeration, generating functions, ordered structures, graph theory, algebraic combinatorics, geometric combinatorics, and extremal and probabilistic combinatorics. Prerequisite: MATH 562.
I'm taking this
idk any optimization and linear programming
so I get confused by my sir alot
ic
my convex optimization sir hammers us with a lot of multivariable calculus every day that i never learned
u should rly not let ur sirs hammer u
I just learned multivariable calculus again and I think I get it this time

i understand it ok but i kinda lose the plot when i actually have to work abstractly with partial derivatives and hessians and multivariable taylor's theorem and stuff like that
hessians aren't real and multivariable taylors theorem is hell
writing proofs involving that stuff is hard for me
Do you have an example proof
I am curious
uhh here's a not too complicated one
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consider the ring of 2 x 2 matrices with integer entries.
suppose I= { set of all 2 x 2 matrices with entries which are multiplies of 4}
Q) is I an ideal of R, and further find the cardinality |G/I|
My answer: Yes, multiplying any matrix with a matrix whose entries are multiplies of 4 are again multiplies of 4
thus I is an ideal of R
further, since I is an ideal I absorbs all entries which are multiples of 3
[
R/I= \left{ \begin{bmatrix}
a_1 & a_2\
a_3 & a_4
\end{bmatrix} + I ,\middle|, a_i \in {0,1,2,3} \right}
]
Dubs
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should I rephrase the question?
if in case it's too long to care
Find the number of cosets in R/I, where R is the set of 2 x 2 matrices with integer entries
I is the set of matrices whose entries are multiplies of 4
well thats not the only property an ideal needs
imo thats a bit too imprecise
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it says im wrong, idk what im doing wrong
my notes and my work on the question itself
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this is the answer they gave
idk how thye got 1/6 instead
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The equation for the tangent line needs to get the point when t=1/9
When t=1/9, as x=2t, x will be equal to 2/9 and y=sqrt(t)=1/3
So, at x=2/9, y needs to be 1/3
If the slope is correct, then we have $\frac{1}{3}=\frac{3}{4} \cdot \frac{2}{9} + b$
Palahoo
So, b is equal to 1/6
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so im doing statistics and confidence intervals, so would I use a z-interval when I know the population standard deviation, and a t-interval when I only know the sample standard deviation?
Correct. When you're doing interval about a mean. If you're doing it around a proportion, you'll always use z
thats cool, thanks. additionally does a 20% siginificance level mean a 80% confidence interval?
Generally yes. You usually take 100% minus the significance level. Have you done hypothesis tests yet?
yes I have
Okay so sometimes you need to be aware of what your alternative hypothesis is. If it's a two-sided alternative, then yes, subtract the sig level to get the confidence level
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How to find derivative of this??
I have done little bit of it
Show
that's it
This much
for future reference
it doesn't simplify any more
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lmao
But in book answer is different
what is it expecting
, rotate
where is a from
Maybe book is wrong?
what's the original question
Maybe you missed context in your question
Different the following with respect to x
Do a picture like you did with the answer
Your answer is correct
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Does anyone know how to prove these trigonometric identities?
Try substituting x = 2u
So you have csc 2u - cot 2u and you want to show it's equal to tan u
Also you should know what csc^2 x - cot^2 x is, so doing csc 2u - cot 2u gives you the other identity for free
If you're stuck, write them out in terms of sin 2u and cos 2u
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Let me check
Ahhhhh you should have 1 - 1 + 2 sin^2 u
So you're nearly there, just use the identity for sin(2u)
thanks, for the second identity it would be almost the same, right?
cot(x/2)=csc(x)+cot(x)
Yeah you could try proving it with a similar method
Or just this
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The lateral surface of the cone after expansion is a sector of a circle with a radius of 12 cm, the central angle is 225. Calculate the total surface area of the cone.
can someone show me if my answer equals desired answer
and how should i calculate to get that answer
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i thought 7,5^2 is the same as 7x7 + 0,5x0,5 but the results didn't match so i had to check and it came out its not the same XD
well, the calculation is correct but the only problem is thats not the total surface area 
btw i have checked and my results equals the desired one (the orange one) but i still don't know how to do it so i can get the second result
oh yes my bad
it is supposed to be volume of a cone
u mean, how to simplify ur answer so that u get the orange result?
yes
thats what i mean
oh i just saw i cropped the screen too much, it is supposed to be โ87,75
i have found smth like this
but i don't get the first step
can you explain
the first stip he trys to get rid of the fraction part, which is the .75
ohhh
cuz 87.75 = (87 + 0.75)
= 87 + 3/4
yes yes now i see
so u would multiply by 4 to get rid of the 4 down there
same idea
56.25 = 56 + 1/4
oh ๐คฆโโ๏ธ
multiply by 4 to become
56*4 + 1
of course, he actually multiply by 4/4 to keep the equation as its
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Is there a way to solve this without graphing it?
factor x
then do discrimnant
or delta whatever u call it
b^2-4ac
take the two cases
This is cubic, not quadratic
doesnt matter
.....
factor x and you will have quadratic
Wut
How are you gonna factor it?
mate how do you factor x
thers
theres
theres an 0.7
oh there s no x
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I'm doing part B problem 1
It may just be that I need to graph it because I'll need to do that for the next part of the problem anyway, but I wasn't sure
There is a cubic formula. But it's pretty large, and if you want decimal approximations, then just graphing or using a calculator is all you need to do.
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is this proof correct to show that L3 isnt a regular language with myhill nerode relation? thanks!
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is my process for the 2nd and 3rd question correct? im also having trouble with question 1 when trying to find the x and y component of vector OB
i keep getting inconsistent numbers for the components
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how do i start
the hint is telling you to think of the two walls as one wall, how do you think you could apply that?
um
make it one plane
wait i think i know how to do it without calculus but how do i use caculus here
can someone please help im so confused ๐ญ
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i solved it without calculus but how do i use caculus
what is that...
the calculus way is calling the depth of the corner point you go to x and writing out the distance in terms of x
wait what am i deriving
why do i set it to 0
just in general if you have some value you want to max/minimize you take the derivative and set it to 0
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i must prove that this is right for every a>0
using lagrange mean value theorem
so i have like the answer but didnt understand how it happened
the answer started with f(t)=ln(t) for every t>0
and said that f(t) is continuous in [x,x+1] and derviative in (x,x+1)
and because of those 2 stuff i can use mean value theorem
and that theres c that belongs to (x,x+1)
and so on but like
i didnt understand
why the domain is [x,x+1] and (x,x+1)
why its not [1/x,1/(x+1)]
and why is the x+1 even the b here not a
shldnt it be [x+1,x]?
have you tried ln(1+a)-ln(a)=ln((1+a)/a)
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didnt get the answer yet
nvm solved
but got a simple question
now if i have like
x/2 - x^2+x-3/x
when i make the 2 that is down in the first side x
do the equation become x-(x^2+x-3) or x-x^2+x-3
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im not sure i just dropped this random example to ask this question
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Hi, could someone clarify my answer for this?
I have 700000 of these datas lol
is the "rate" just the timestamp/event?
in that case i have the 100 rates, then is the coefficient of variation the standard deviation of the 100 rates/ average of the 100 rates?
i think the rate would be 1 / the difference between the timestamps of two successive events?
Hmm, this was my previous question
I think this gives insight on what "rate" means
shouldn't it be timestamp/event?
it says "rate of signal events per second"
there's 763301 signal events in 318579019 milliseconds
yeah so events / seconds
318579019 ms is approximately 318579 seconds
okay so basically
763301/318579 is what i had for this
i guess that's right
so hmm going back to the main question thingy
the rate would be this right?
yeah
timestamps = []
for i in range(len(lines)):
timestamps.append(int(lines[i].rstrip().split() [3]))
average = []
for i in range(100):
average.append((timestamps[i])/(i+1))
main_average = abs(np.average(average))
main_std = np.std(average)
coeff = (main_std)/(main_average)
#print(coeff)```
so do you think my "algorithm" is right?
i think it's right but like
i didn't get the answer
or at least close enough
my answer was: 0.16864373024776919
am i supposed to answer about 0.1%?
I would thijnk they'd include a choice for 0.2% instead
why are we doing timestamps[i] / (i+1)?
isn't that what they mentioned?
"compute 100 rates"
where each of those rates is "signals events per second"
wait
it should be [1/609 , 2/1891 , 3/2324 + ...]?
is there some information you're supposed to use to separate these into 100 categories that i'm not seeing here?
nah that's all i have too
what's the confusion?
this talks about "these 100 bins"
oh yeah
idk if this was relevant
this was like a uniformly distribution
but yeah that's the only question regarding "bins"
literally no clue how i was supposed to use that
hmm
well i guess it wanted you to keep track of how many events happened in each time slice
and then you take the mean / stdev of that array of event counts
what i had in mind was basically this:
I make an array (100 elements) of rates (signals/seconds)
find average of that list
find std of that list
Then do this
okay sure yeah
but you need to calculate that array of rates
easiest way to do that is to just count how many events in each bin
calculate what exactly?
and then divide by how many seconds that bin represents
events / sec
so like if your bins are 5sec each, and there are 108 events in the first bin, then that has a rate of 20.4 events / sec
can't i just do this?
or am i missing something
this gets me the arrays of [1/609, 2/1981, 3/2324, ...], right?
yeah but like
that doesn't help you at all?
then you're only looking at the first 100 events
yes you'll need to use the whole data, but first you need to make that histogram
where is it?
really you need the data from that histogram (event counts)
okay, how wide are the bins here?
100
oh lmao
how many seconds does each one represent?
u mean how far apart the x axis things are
ye
0.5
0.5...
what's that supposed to mean btw?
there were 7000+ events in the first 0.5 ms?
i'm lost myself
how did you make this graph
the timestamps array has everything in ms
this was the timestamps array:
timestamps = []
for i in range(len(lines)):
timestamps.append(int(lines[i].rstrip().split() [3]))
okay, so each of those bar lines represents the number of events in some time interval
the plot is trivial cuz:
plt.hist(timestamps, bins = 100)
plt.show()```
rightt
wait
honestly i still don't get what that histoggram is about
lmao
*histogram
the y axis is supposed to be the events?
yes
and the x axis is time in ms?
ye
but that doesn't make sense
0.5ms gives 800 events?
well yes, perhaps the bottom axis is not measuring in ms
but we had this?
i think it might be in seconds
but how?
Lmao i don't have a single instance of "seconds" in my code
my that is a very pretty 1e8 at the bottom of your graph...
what do you suppose it means?
what's the range of your timestamps?
hold on
like what's the maximum one
,calc 318579019 - 609
Result:
3.1857841e+8
,w (318579019 - 609) milliseconds to seconds
yeah that's the range
yeah so you notice that those markings go up to just over 3.0
and it has the 1e8 at the bottom
righttt
okay okay i see
so it is indeed in milliseconds
with a factor of 10^8
cool
now it makes sense at least
yeah
so for the first interval, it looks like we had about 7300 events
,calc 7300 / (5e7/1000)
Result:
0.146
so around 0.146 events per second
wait
you're talking about this thing?

looks like it gets pretty close to 8k
unless you look at the starting thing only
specifically that first bar
why?
well that's the first interval
each line is not 100 data points; there are 100 lines total
oh so how many ever events/100
right and why did you choose the first line?
why not somewhere in the middle?
just as an example because it was easy to see
okay
the next one looks like it's about 7400, so there are 7400 / 5e4 events per second in that interval
am i supposed to do this in code?
yes :)

at least that's what it says here lol
lemme try
idk ๐ญ if i'm actually messing things up but
is that how an array is parsed in numpy?
i don't see 100
hmm that looks like about 100 elements
but it also looks like you're getting two arrays back?
i think it's giving you the bin edges as well
yeah i think so
the code they have is like hist, bin_edges = np.histogram(data, bins=100)
wait bin edges isn't the x value though right?
am i supposed to somehow extract the x value too?
bin edges is the x values but like... you don't really need them per se? they're equally spaced
if you want, you can use that second element [1] to get the bin width
wait my bad
but hmm
3.18 * 10^8/1100
oh yeah it's 3.18 * 10^6
ye
Result:
0.0022012578616352
wait so i do event/that for everything?
๐ญ no clue why it truncates to integer
even though every element in the array is float by default
those integers are counts
there were 7407 events in the first 3.186e+06 milliseconds
what are you dividing?
looks like it works for me?
plt.hist(timestamps, bins = 100)
hist, bin_edges = np.histogram(timestamps, bins=100)
for i in range(len(hist)):
hist[i] = float(hist[i])/ (3.18 * pow(10,6))
print(hist)
oh
this is numpy trolling you
hist is going to be an array of dtype=int64
so it can only take integers
and it'll convert everything to an integer
yes... but you'll need it to be a different dtype
or you can just do hist2 = [0.0] * 100
but that won't be a numpy array just a normal python list
oh yeah i already made a copy
i don't need numpy array ig ๐ญ
wait
i guess i do need numpy arrays cuz i have to do std and avg lmao
ughhh
right i fixed it
apparently i just needed to do
hist_float = histastype(float)
oh this says just that too
okay so i have like 0.01

so like 0.01 * 100 = 1%
thanks @winter torrent !
eventually
just to confirm
๐ญ we do multiply by 100 right?
since the coefficient is a scalar
or it isn't normalized or smth?
multiply by 100% (which is 1)
right but nobody uses it in percents right?
0.01 = 1%
i was reading through wiki
oh do they not? i haven't really used CV much
guess that makes sense since it's a coefficient
right i haven't either ๐ญ
they just go okay it's 0.567
but hmm yeah fair enough
thanks for the help once again!
wait LOL
they say "coefficient of variation"
but then they're saying percents on the answer choice
which is funny
yeah i mean
cuz both answers are there
0.01 = 1% like those are the same thing
literally doesn't make snese tbh
they ask for the coefficient of variation
but if they asked you for the coefficient of variation
then it's strictly 0.01 right?
without the %'s at all?
but yeah i get your logic i guess yeah
sorry ๐ญ i'm probably just being dumb
anyway
thanks
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okay so I need help with this problem
I actually think i understand it
but my professor is.. well... an ass
here is the problem: A random sample of size 100 is taken from a continuous exponential distribution. The sample mean is found to be 6.25. Construct an approximate 95% confidence interval for the true mean of the exponential distribution.
here is my work:
here is where it mentions the standard deviation being the same thing as the mean for an exponential distribution:
Its already been established in this class that sample standard deviation and mean are UNBIASED estimators for the population mean and STD
here is what my professor says:
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Well your solution lacks explanation
i wrote a big ass arrow after the sample size of 100 stating i was using central limit theorem and therfore a normal dist.
I defined the formula for a confidence interval
stated that the sample standard deviation was an estimator for the mean and vice versa
Did he want you to write in words why what u did worked?
I have no idea,
No so not explicitly stated in the questionL
just asked: " A random sample of size 100 is taken from a continuous exponential distribution. The sample mean is found to be 6.25. Construct an approximate 95% confidence interval for the true mean of the exponential distribution.:
What level of education does your teacher have?
phd
Phd in?
applied mathematics ..
Im just so mad I feel like I did this exactly right and got the shaft bc they just decide to arbitrarily count off points
He may just not even understand what he himself is teaching. He said u got the right answer but no explanation?
He doesnt dude
He said you have the correct interval
The damn textbook uses answers in the back of the book based on a welsh t test when the book itself never metnions that
Does he have office hours?
he does but is never there
U can ask and explain what you did to him
and hes the department chair so he can get away w it
I will see if I can explain
I just dont understand why its not clear what I was doing
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A bullet was shot with a mass of 15 g at a speed of 2.8 m/s
On a wooden plate that has a thickness of 5 cm
The bullet passed through the wooden plate losing 3/4 of its original speed
Find the value of the wooden plate resistance
Against the bullet
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Nvm I solved it
I thought the bullet was moving via force
But there was only resistance
The question now is ....
Why does the bullet not carry any force with it
And how do I know if there's no force affecting the object
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The object is moving freely
Without the effect of external force on it
That is the reason
You do not apply any force on it
How do I know that it dosent have force applied next time I read a question
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Can someone help me with this? the question is to whether this is a function or not, but i don't know what those ''hollow points'' mean, and i have a very vague knowledge on limits
black dots indicate that it is the functional value at that point
hollow points indicate that it isnt
So Y at the hollow point would mean that it is not functional at the X value?
observe it like this for a moment
the black dot means that the x value there is including
you're gonna get the same value of y for every x including the black dot
going on the middle one, now if we darken any of those dots, it will miean that at that value of x, function is gonna give us a y vaue
but since that value of x is already mapped
with some value of y
there would be no output, more like if we darken that dot, we are going to get to values of y for the same x
which is not possible
if it has to be a function
Ah, i think i kind of understand it
i made a representation myself (im not quite sure if its accurate)
yea it is
the non darkened dots just simply means we are not taking that value of x
have y ever saw graph of greatest
integer
fraction?
I dont think so
So, if the white dots mean that it is not taking the value of X, it would still be considered a function, since now each X is outputting a single value of Y?
yes
ooOoooooooo, now i think i understand
this graph means, if we put x $\in [0,1)$ we are gonna get the our answer = 0
yajat
notice how
i havent used sqaure brakcets on one
it's because it has a blank dot
and then function is giving as value 1 if x$\in [1,2)$
yajat
similary in this graph, for x$\in (-\infty,x_2]$ function is giving us a value $y^3$
yajat
and for x$\in (x_2,x_1)$ we are getting $y=y^2$
yajat
you get it now?
Well, most definitely more than before
So the brackets are not used with hollow dots since they dont assign an x value?
Oh, i just wanted to know why the brackets are not used on hollow dots
I've seen the brackets usage before, but i dont really remember what they mean
ok so () mean that we are not taking the value of x and [] mean that we are
Ah, yea that makes sense
read this if im noting sense
Yea i think i get it
also you can watch a video on yt on greaatest integer fraction if you still feel like you're not geting it, the graph you sent before is pretty much the same
Thanks for the help tho, test season is coming soon and i just needed to know this before going forward
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Need some clarification:
So I know that associativity says (ab)c = a(bc) and that it does't give us the right to do (ab)c = (ac)b, which separates it from commutativity. I had a question on commutativity though, so it says a + b + c = b + c + a, meaning the order does not matter in the way you list them from left to right but commutativity doesn't say the order in which we operate on the expression does not matter right? So saying (a + b) + c = b + (c + a) is commutativity would be wrong right
So associativity allows us to say the order in which we operate on the expression does not matter and commutativity say the order in which we list the terms does not matter but one never implies the other?
Commutativity is ab = ba.
Are you looking for quasi-commutativity?
I'm not sure what that is I'm just trying to make sure I understand commutativity and associativity right, does commutativity only apply for two variables?
does commutativity only apply for two variables
It only applies to operators of two operands (binary operators), yes
a + b = b + a.
Similary,
(a + b) + c = c + (a + b).
ah ok I see
(amo)+(gus)=(gus)+(amo)
The law only involves one instance of the operator (in LHS and RHS)
In contrast,
associativity is (a+b)+c = a+(b+c), you have two instances of the operator
oh ok that makes sense, and with associativity alone we can't do (a+b) + c = (a+c) + b right?
Exactly, we can't do it. We need at least quasi-commutativity for that.
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i do not understand the BLUE
which part do you not understand?
they're apply the inverse relation between e and ln
and exponent/log laws to first simplify that component
$e^{\ln x}=x$
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To determine whether the function ( f_1: \mathbb{Z} \rightarrow \mathbb{Z} ) given by ( f_1(z) = 3z - 1 ) is injective (one-to-one) or surjective (onto), let's examine the definitions and try to prove or disprove them.
To check injectivity of ( f_1 ), we assume ( f_1(x_1) = f_1(x_2) ) for two different ( x_1, x_2 ) in ( \mathbb{Z} ). Then we need to show that ( x_1 = x_2 ).
Assume ( f_1(x_1) = f_1(x_2) ):
[ 3x_1 - 1 = 3x_2 - 1 ]
[ 3x_1 = 3x_2 ]
[ x_1 = x_2 ]
Since ( x_1 = x_2 ), the function ( f_1 ) is injective.
To check surjectivity of ( f_1 ), we need to show that for every ( y ) in ( \mathbb{Z} ), there exists an ( x ) in ( \mathbb{Z} ) such that ( f_1(x) = y ).
For ( f_1(x) = 3x - 1 ), we can observe that for every ( y ) in ( \mathbb{Z} ), there exists an ( x ) such that ( f_1(x) = y ). For example, choosing ( x = \frac{y + 1}{3} ), we get ( f_1(x) = 3 \cdot \frac{y + 1}{3} - 1 = y + 1 - 1 = y ).
Hence, the function ( f_1 ) is both injective and surjective.
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is that correct???
you can't be out here posting chatgpt answers and asking people to verify it
i got the same answer so i asked chatgpt to write it
using chatgpt and then verifying it is OK but make more of an effort than that

you should really post your own answer then lmao
lol whereโs your effort?
i said i got the same answer
send what you did then
fwiw yes the chatgpt answer is (surprisingly) perfect oops no it's not
this looks different than the question chatgpt answered
yeah yeah one second
looks like there was a part (a) and part (b)
is that also correct
if it's injective or surjective
o ok
for showing f_2 is not injective
you just need to show there are two different integers that map to the same thing
so like, yes ok but why does this make it not injective
cause the same element point to different Elements
wdym
i mean f(z1) points to z1 and z2 so it's not injective
ok sure, so your point is f(z_1) = f(-z_1) for any z_1
i would just write f_2(1) = f_2(-1)
that's all you need to do to show f_2 is not injective
okay so i should find example
yea, what you did here might help you find an example but you don't need to include that in the proof
okay so for Z2 = 5 / Z1 = \sqrt{2 }
also if i can make a suggestion: 3z^2 >= 0 for any z, so 3z^2 - 1 >= -1
so nothing maps to, say, -2
and \sqrt{ 2} it's not in Z
hmm
yea that's also fine
thank you so much๐
this is sometimes an integer, sometimes not
so just explicitly give one that shows it's not always an integer
yes
i still not sure about the second proof
cause Z2 might be equal to decimal number
and that's not in Z
so it's not surjective right??
@uncut crow
yea it's not surjective
Cause I just noticed that by doing this one
a simple way to see it's not surjective is that nothing maps to 0
ooh okay nice tipp
i just understand what you mean by that
i often just play around with the function a little bit to start to see if there are "bad examples" at first to show it's not surjective or not injective
and if not then i'll try to prove it's surjective or injective
like for f_1, i would notice 3z-1 is never a multiple of 3
so can't be 0
or any other multiple of 3
i don't know actually, i always ignore it cause doesn't do nothing
yeah maybe
just ignore it hahaha
weird they write definiert durch but also df if it means definition though lol

hmm
i think the comma between (x*y , x/y ) means the multiplication !!
cause R x R-(0) -> R x R
the comma means (x*y , x/y ) is a pair
okay
so for example, (1,2) maps to (1*2, 1/2)
hmm
let's just take something simple
(1,1) maps to (1,1)
can you think of anything else that maps to (1,1)?
we're looking for (x,y) that maps to (1,1), so you want xy = 1 and x/y = 1
x/y = 1 forces x = y
so you also need x^2 = 1 (from xy = 1 and x = y)
so x ought to be...?
y
no; x^2 = 1 implies x = ?
-1 or 1
yea
okay
it's -1 , -1
yep
hahaha i'm so dumb
i didn't think about it
to prove it's surjective it's normal right
like that
like x/y and x*y are in R x R
so it's surjective @uncut crow
i don't see how this proves it's surjective
hmm