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D and E are random points on triangle ABC on CB and AB, knowing that you can write a circle on BEPD and on AEDC proof that AD and CE are heights of this triangle, (ADB 90, CEB 90)
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from bprp
just moments before he uses squeeze theorem
but i do not find his reasoning satisfactory
i can see why theta would be greater than sin(theta)
but i couldnt seem to agree with the next two
yes theta is not reaching as high up as tan(theta) but its a curve
how do we be sure tan(theta) is longer than theta
the area of the circular sector
is (1/2)x
and the area of the big triangle
is 1/2 tanx
1/2tanx > 1/2x
tanx>x
x= theta?
yes
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Hello, can someone explain to me how i can reformulate this as eulers cos(R) + i * sin(R) form. I am stuck on this because of the 5 * i
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So is this now available?
Could someone please fast check f) h) e) (the ones with ??? On the right side) bcs the results shows some other answers.
What's the order of these photos
These are answers right
Yes
Your answer to e seems same
See i think that im just dumb to do it completely
f is right so far too
I won't even start on that
Ah i dont mean it in that sense, but i think that i know how to derive that but i think that the answers are fully completed
Well they are kind of completed, it's not necessary to simplify
Yea i think im fine as long i derive them
Im also not sure abt this
Am i supposed to put sin x 2
Idk i was taugut to derive something that effects x after "some other" thing that effects its first
Kinda sounds weird in eng
I think you mean chain rule
Basically this
fäf
Yeah the second one is done by chain rule
fäf
Idk abt that but he have like a table of derived stuff already
The formulas?
Try learing this method you have to use it pretty often
Yea
Yea my course isnt rly oriented on this math so we just kinda do basic math i think
But do u think h) is also correct
Yeah it is
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is it tru that at graph III f'(4) does not exist?
yes it is true
so on graph II f''(4) DNE right?
because of the sharp turn (derivatives dont match)
yeah bc you would need to draw like
2 tangent lines from the point in both directoins
right?
yes
so whenever that happens the limit DNE
well the limit exists but the derivative at that point is undefined
oh yeah the limit exists cuz
theres no jump
and then for graph II f'(4) also DNE? but its different bcause
f''(4) DNE as well?
wait no i think f''(4) DNE on graph III as well
why
cuz if f'(x) DNE how could f''(x) exist
won't it have different values since its a jump discontinuity
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since in $a_k = \frac{k}{2k+1}$, the denominator is bigger than the numerator for all k, shouldn't this be decreasing for all k?
hers only
$a_{k+1} = \frac{k+1}{2(k+1) + 1}$ and it seems obvious that $2(k+1) + 1 > k+1$ for all natural numbers, so shouldn't $a_{k+1} \leq a_k$ for all k?
hers only
entire problem for reference
sorry lemme edit that rq
$a_{k+1} = \frac{k+1}{2(k+1) + 1}$ and it seems obvious that $2(k+1) + 1 > 2k+1$ (2k+1 from $a_k = \frac{k}{2k+1}$ )for all natural numbers, so shouldn't $a_{k+1} \leq a_k$ for all k?
hers only
actually
hmm
i feel like there's a flaw in my logic but i still dont understand how the series is increasing
You're comparing the denominators of consecutive terms, but you're not taking the numerators into account
i'm sorry i'm still confused
plugging in some numbers i realize that it's increasing now but
i dont understand why
Try looking at the difference or the ratio of consecutive terms
$\frac{k+1}{2k+3} * \frac{2k+1}{k} = \frac{2k^2 + 3k + 1}{2k^2 + 3k}$
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Hello
I've seen someone asking on a forum f(x)+f(1-x)=3x+2
They ask for f(x) and f is defined on real numbers, but x is an integer
is it solvable?
If i substitute x with 1-x I get nothing
how do you get nothing
Also If I do x = 0: f(0) + f(1) = 2 and for x = 1 : f(1) +f(0) = 5
I get a contradiction as you can see there, why?
I get f(1-x) + f(x) = 5-3x
But I need to find f(x)
or the number of the functions that satisfy the condition
and from this you get that no function satisfies the condition
so thats it
Nice
It's kinda strange
It's asking for the number of functions
but there are just 0
so that's the number
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P_6 implies the positive integers mod 6. So are we only looking at {..,-6,0,6,...} or all the congruence classes {0-5}
that is not well-defined
Which the question my teacher gave or the question I asked ?
oh yeah which is why im a bit confused
cause it seems like then I should just find the answer to g(n) only for the numbers 0-5
that might be the intent of the question, yes
so in that case wouldnt the answer just be (0,4),(1,1),(2,2),(3,1),(4,4),(5,1)?
yes
Ok cool
Should I just write like a sentence that explains since we're only working in P_6 we only need to to look at the cases where n = {0,1,2,3,4,5}. Then, show the gcd work ?
well if anything you should write a sentence that you aren't working in P_6 cause then g would not be well-defined
and instead work in {0,1,2,3,4,5}
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the first equation you can get B+C
then you solve the second equation for A
these problems its all about finding a way to make an equation with only one variable
right
then you figure out how to solve for the other two vars
or let s = B+C
Then notice that A^2 = 1632 + S^2 gets rewritten as (A-S)(A+S) = 1632, making A+S known
i feel like introducing another variable here is counterintuitive
It's just a shorthand for b+c

Because really they're not useful to separate
Otherwise this is much harder to notice
And this trick turns it from a high school quadratic equation problem to a middle school working with variables problem
was diff of squares taught in middle school? 
Though note that bonglord's way is still good practice if you've studied quadratic equations
personally i would just ooga booga solve for A, but @magic thicket is more pragmatic.
Experience is a lot about finding these tricks that make things a lot simpler, or sometimes simply doable
math is humbling like that. the more you practice the more you see the patterns
Use the other equation to find A-S
Then notice A+S is actually what you're asked for
remember S = B + C
Little extra : 1632 = 16*102
notice A+S = A + B + C, and we can find A + B + C through that first equation. in case its still not clear
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Can someone walk me through how to do this
Should the answer not be 3x-8?
there are a few ways
do u at least know the name of the method you are taught
or maybe anything you know abt how to do this
wdym?
The x-interception of that is 8/3, which is between 2 and 3
so u know the y = mx + b form as well
yes
whats m and b
m is slope b is y intercept
ok from the diagram try to find the value of m
oh shoot
i know what i mess up
i didnt pay attention to the unit
its by 2s and 4s not 1s
6/4=3/2
ahhhhh
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@languid kettle you realize you should probably do something OTHER than just posting your question for the 4th time now, right?
sorry i didnt realize i sent that so many times
my disc lagged
how do i solve it without turning the base the same
the intent here is probably to just guess the solution
Would recommend multiplying both sides by 3^x
Because then you get a quadratic equations in terms of 3^x
If it seems hard, then consider doing a substitution
I’m sorry, my discord completely lagged out and I didn’t see the messages I sent
Something like t = 3^x so that it looks more familiar
oh true you actually get a decent quadratic
Oh okay I’ll try that
Alright I’ll try that
if i do that to other side, it would becmoe 24^x, how would i convert that to the same base
oh
oh then thats my bad
lemme try
3^3x^2 - 3^6-6x=8*3^x, ive got this but not clear as to what im meant to do now
i multiplied both sides by 3^x
nvm my multiplication was wrong then i thikn i got it
thanks
sorry for the accidentlal spam,
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How do I integrate $$\int_{0}^{\infty} \frac{1}{1 + e^x} dx$$
AMNT2006
Consider multiplying top and bottom by e^(-x)
The hint given for the problem is to let $e^{\frac{x}{2}} = \tan \theta$
AMNT2006
Sounds like tons of work though
Let's try anyway
So, then $\frac12e^{\frac{x}2}\dd{x} = \sec^2\theta\dd\theta$
A Lonely Bean
So, $$\frac{1}{2}e^{\frac{x}{2}} = \sec^{2} \theta d \theta$$ Which can transform to $$dx = \frac{2}{\tan \theta} \sec^{2} \theta d \theta$$
AMNT2006
If you have freedom to do the problem, you can try $u = 1 + e^x$ later @hushed oyster
Rub05
So I need to integrate $$\int \frac{1}{1 + \tan^2 \theta } \frac{2}{\tan \theta} \sec^2 \theta d \theta$$
AMNT2006
Right, and 1 + tan^2 = sec^2
Meaning the secants cancel out and you are left with 2cos/sin
Which can be integrated with another substitution
which then becomes $2 \ln | \sin \theta | + C$
AMNT2006
Right
Which doesn't approach anything at infinity
Ah wait
We forgot to change aboundaries
Would drawing the triangle work?
Or we could simply rewrite theta with x
Yes
ok, give me a little time to think
So we picked e^(x/2) = tan(theta)
We could say opposite is e^(x/2) and adjacent is 1
Meaning the hypotenuse is sqrt(1 + e^x)
And sin(theta) is therefore e^(x/2)/sqrt(1 + e^x)
oh, so $$\sin \theta = \frac{e^{\frac{x}{2}}}{\sqrt{1 + e^x}}$$
AMNT2006
Right
When x = 0 it becomes 1
And when x = inf we are going to have to take the limit
Oh, then it's now just a limit problem
Yeah
The limit of $$\sin \theta = \frac{e^{\frac{x}{2}}}{\sqrt{1 + e^x}}$$ is 1
AMNT2006
And if we take the log we get 0
I think it would be easier to change boundaries btw
Because theta goes from 0 to pi/2 clearly
wait, then is the answer $\frac{\ln 2}{3}$
AMNT2006
Wait no it doesn't
It goes from pi/4 to pi/2
No I don't think so wait
Should be ln2?
Oh, I messed up
,w integrate 1/(1 + e^x) from 0 to infinity
Right, it's ln2
When I took the limit I forgot to subtract by $\ln \left( \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \right)$
AMNT2006
But that just becomes $\frac{\ln 2}{2}$, right?
AMNT2006
No, just ln2
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prove that
9 | n^3 + (n+1)^3 + (n+2)^3 with induction
i did n= 1 and i assumed where n is true
but i got stuck here with n+1
9 | (n+1)^3 + (n+2)^3 + (n+3)^3
Try setting $n^3+(n+1)^3+(n+2)^3=9k$ for some positive integer $k$
Civil Service Pigeon
He wants to prove it with induction though
Can't you ||expand (n+3)³, giving 9k+9(n²+3n+3)||, hence true
What does this give me XD
I dont understand how this contributes
Or im missing something
What have you done with what I said so far?
I skipped a fair amount of stuff just so I could provide a quick overview of how it works to Kepe
So basically i expand all this
(n+1)^3 + (n+2)^3 + (n+3)^3
Here is one way to do it with induction: the base case $n = 1$ obviously holds, now our induction hypothesis is that $9 | n^3 + (n+1)^3 + (n+2)^3 = 3n^3 + 9n^2 + 15n + 9$. \\ We need to show that $9 | (n+1)^3 + (n+2)^3 + (n+3)^3 = 3n^3 + 18n^2 + 42n + 36$. The difference between those two is just $3n^3 + 18n^2 + 42n + 36 - (3n^3 + 9n^2 + 15n + 9) = 9n^2 + 27n + 27$, which is certainly divisible by 9. $\hspace{1cm} \square$
There might be a more elegant way though
I did $(n+1)^3+(n+2)^3=9k-n^3$ and substituted that into the $n+1$ step, but that's pretty similar
Civil Service Pigeon
When you did the difference between the 2 equations what did that show us
Like why is that a proof
Does the difference between two things being divisible by 9 mean that each of those two things is divisible by 9?
I can't tell if that's the idea behind your proof
Cause a counterexample would be 14-5=9
We can subtract all of the terms that are already divisible by 9 after our induction hypothesis out
the first is already known to be divisible by 9
We only need to show what is new is also divisible by 9
but like, just do the sub here, it's more motivated
literally the same proof but more direct
Its like subtracting 1 times 9
?
Say the first term is 18, the second is 27.
If we knew that 18 was divisible by 9 but we didn't know if 27 is divisible by 9, to show that 27 is divisible by 9, we could just show that 27 - 18 = 9 is divisible by 9
I understand
But i have a small feeling of feeling not convinced myself
If we dont know something that is divisible and subtract something that is divisble why is that remaining devisible
the argument is not really necessary because essentially it just comes down to saying 27 = 18 + 9, and both 18 and 9 are multiples of 9
here you want to start by doing this, which is known from the induction hypothesis
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Felix and Adrian are leaving on a ski trip and Felix asks Adrian to bring some board games. Of the 10 board games they have, 4 are ones that Felix likes. Adrian randomly selects 6 out of their 10 games to bring on the trip.
What is the probability that the last game that Adrian chooses is one that Felix likes?
Im struggling with this, I have no idea how to begin honestly, I can draw a prob tree but that seems inefficient
I dont understand how
the last one chosen is the same thing as second or first one chosen
it's symmetrical
i don't know how to explain
yeah I still dont understand 😭
im curious what you mean by this
well do you see how the first game adrian chooses has 4/10 chance
yes
okay
so like we can calculate this about the second one
,calc (4/10)(3/9) + (6/10)(4/10)
Result:
0.37333333333333
depending on if we choose the right one we get 3/9 or again 4/9 no?
The following error occured while calculating:
Error: Value expected (char 1)
,calc (4/10)(3/9) + (6/10)(4/9)
Result:
0.4
is that total probability?
what
yeah nvm
this represents, the second time you choose, can you do the same for the third one? what do you get then?
you could like count outcomes
Felix likes 1,2,3 and 4
there are 9×8×7×6×5 outcomes that end in 1
same with 2, 3 and 4
you can do it for the third one you're supposed to get 0.4
,calc (9)(8)(7)(6)(5)(4) * 4 / (10)(9)(8)(7)(6)(5)
Result:
1.6
Result:
0.4
yeah
that's counting everything at once
so you can notice that if it asked for e.g. third game instead of last, the formula wouldn't even look different
that times 4 divided by the all the combinations? like 10!/4!?
yes
it is symmetrical damn, is this because it is a special distribution or would I see this in other distributions?
i'm not sure, too hard question 🙂
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please can someone explain how does this happen 
what's g?
other than that it kind of looks like they negated both the numerator and denominator of the fraction
but then also changed y into x and x into g(x)? which is weird
im learning math in my native language which isnt english so i dont know the terminology 
but g(x) is f(x)s opposite…?
this is the full thing if it helps
cuz it doesnt help me at all
hmm
opposite
(if i'm right about what you're referring to then that's usually called an "inverse")
i guess so
i think the idea is basically
we want g(f(x)) = x
because that's what an inverse is
so for some reason they create y and make y = f(x)
and then work out x in terms of y, so, in terms of f(x)
$x = \frac{3y+1}{4-y}$
bee
then they just mess with variables a bit more because they want the argument to g to be called x
but you could just say $g(y) = \frac{3y+1}{4-y}$ and it would mean the same thing
bee
this is just as confusing
bee
and we want to find $g$ so that $g(f(x)) = x$
bee
does that make sense so far?
bee
that's basically what all of this part is
got that
so now we have x, in terms of f(x)
so $g(f(x)) = \frac{3f(x)+1}{4-f(x)}$
bee
(since both of those are x)
now if we just replace all of the f(x) with something else (i'll use y)
$g(y) = \frac{3y+1}{4-y}$
bee
does that make sense...?
not really…
did this make sense?
i understand what’s supposed to be happening but where are the numbers coming from
like how did it go from -3y-1/y-4 to 3x+1/4-x
like what steps did we take to get that and how do i just do it
f(x) = x is the same as y = x
really they did two steps at once there
firstly, $\frac{-3y-1}{y-4}=\frac{3y+1}{4-y}$
bee
and then they replace y with x
change - to + and vise versa ?
they negated the numerator and denominator
$\frac{-3y-1}{y-4}=\frac{-(-3y-1)}{-(y-4)}=\frac{3y+1}{4-y}$
bee
then how did this happen in another exercise
3y+6 changed into 3x+6
why did we not negate that
how do i know when to and when not to negate
they just decided to skip writing the last step of algebraic manipulation of the expression with y
never
thats my math teacher for you
i have no idea what she’s teaching
the only reason it happened here is that they're not writing all of the steps
an extra line here that says $x=\frac{3y+1}{4-y}$
bee
why do we need to do that 
well we could also have just said $g(x) = \frac{-3x-1}{x-4}$
bee
and we cant leave it like that because…?
so all of my confusion just manifested cuz my teacher just decided she wanted to change the minuses and pluses…
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am really stuck on the 2nd part
i dont understand how they go from (t+pi) to -pi
for the 2nd intergrand
i understand that sin(t+pi) = -sint
but how does the t+pi = pi
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not sure how to do this cuz they don’t give a limit 😦
is it just like -infinity to infinity? but then how would i solve?
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- 5x+y- (2x-4y) 2. (2a^2 b)^2 -2(3^4 b^2) Simiplying Algebraic expressions
this one you do it yourself
i can only help you check the answers.
nothing special since it's just fundamental mathematical operations.
I dont understand
are you 12
Im 13+
can anyone help with this, laplace equation -> Y(s) = X(s)(1-s^2)/1+as+X(s). I want to get Y(s)/X(s) independent of X(s) on RHS
give em a break
I got 3x+ 3y for the first one
do you know how to distribute a negative sign for the first q?
the x is right
I am not sure what I did wrong
what s a negative multiplied by a negative
positive
no
Oh its 5y
+y --4 gives +5
- (2a^2 b)^2 -2(3^4 b^2) is the answer 4a^4 b^2- 6a^4 b^2
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Just have a question as to why I can’t take the anti derivative of the tilted sine graph
what do you mean
I mean the graph of sin(x+(sinx/2))
some functions just dont have an antiderivative
or just unable to express it
why do you need the antideriv though
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I just wanna know why I can’t calculate it
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im trying to screenshot it
okay, for question b) i got the answer as more simple than the question
i don't know where i went wrong
its either my drawing is wrong or my caluclation for question a) is wrong
$b - \lambda b$ do make sense
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i can't get it in terms of 'a' as well as 'b'
i could factor 'a' out but i wouldn't get 3/2λ inside of the bracket
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Your initial vector flow was wrong
Always take it from positive flow
Plus your factorisation did not make sense. You were trying to get b by itself. Next time write all similar coefficients next to each other to assist you
The main problem was setting an outside constant to represent a single variable
See my first line
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how is it wrong?
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how would i get a answer to something like this
If you are given options, then what are you having trouble with?
what im supposed to utilize to reach the correct answer?
oh do i just guess until i choose the right options or what
observe the quadrant
where do you think 20 deg lies
in first or FOurth
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i've drawn a diagram, but I'm not sure how to start the problem
do you mind sharing that diagram?
Both the locations are on the same latitude
So its following a path along one latitude only
Thus the northernmost latitude is the given latitude, ie 30 degrees
The values of angles of longitudes don’t matter in this question
hmm, but wouldn't the shortest path be along the great circle passing through both of the points?
the circle with the same center as the sphere and passing through the two points?
Ah okay ure right I made a mistake, sorry
how do i find the midpoint of that arc thingy?
you could find the "true" midway point of the two given points in space and then "project" that midway point onto the sphere
hope that's somewhat understandable
ok ill try that
to find the true midpoint, should I use rectangular or spherical coords?
rectangular (or cartesian) imo
i got $(0, \frac{-R\sqrt{3}}{2\sqrt{2}}, \frac{R}{2})$
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( i let the points be in the 3rd and 4th octants)
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no i got this for the true midpoint
(if R is the radius of the circle)
ahh
i dont know how i could "project" this onto the sphere
do i extend the ray from the origin to this midpoint?
yes
so that the length of the vector equals R
you mean sign?
no, sine
same to what?
the same as the sine of angle opposite the z-side in the right triangle with legs of the y and z coords of the midpoint
sorry you lost me
i mean the right triangle formed from the origin to the midpoint
with three vertices the origin, the foot of the perpendicular from midpoint to the xy-plane and the midpoint itself
the sine of the projection will be higher than sin(30°) if that's what you are asking
oh i thought that extending the ray makes a similar triangle
the triangle is similar
so if we let M be the midpoint, P be the point on the extension of OM and on the sphere, and X and Y be the projections of those two onto the xy-plane, would OMX be similar to OPY?
yes
so cant we just find sin(XOM) instead of sin(YOP)?
intuitively, the sine should be larger than 1/2 tho...
i dont think finding the true midpoint and then extending the ray will give us the correct point
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If i have a list of numbers, and i add a variable to it, does the variance change?
And if so, is there an equation to find out how the variance is affected?
can you give an example
i’m no expert but i’m pretty sure your variance changes if your data is not linear
Ill try look for one, i have the question if needed
send it
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@tiny depot Use Var(X)=E[X²]-E[X]²
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Definitions and examples for expected values of continuous distributions
E[X] is the average value for all elements in X
E[X²] is the average value for all squares of elements in X
Ah i see
Ill try it tomorrow
So E[X] is 528 in that case?
What is E[X] hen
Then*
This video explains how to calculate the expected value of winning a game. it also explains how to calculate the expected value of a company manufacturing a laptop.
How To Calculate Standard Deviation In Excel:
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Hello
I am doing this problem over here
and here is some work
Which is the mistake i make it please
apparently it is wrong and i dont get how it can be wrong
The y - 3 is in the denominator
Why is it in the numerator?
After you canceled the y + 3 out
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I got a question im stuck on for my homework
A spherical reservoir with a radius of 4 meters is full of water, but because of a leak, water is draining at 2pi cubic meters per hour.
a) Find the minimal speed which the level of water is lowering in the reservoir
b) What speed is the water lowering when the height is 0.5 from the bottom?
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4. I got an answer and would like my work checked
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Ok so, they are going in opposite directions.
If A does 1 lap, and B does 0 laps we agree that they meet once.
If A does 2 laps and B does 0 they meet twice.
So we can surely say that the number of times they meet when B doesn’t move is the number of laps A does.
In your example though, B does move.
Let’s look at this situation:
A does 1 lap and B does 1 lap (in opposite directions).
Since they are going in opposite directions they will meet each other at the other side and then back at the start, so they will meet each other 2 times. 2 is the sum of the laps of A and the laps of B. So no matter how fast or slow they go, they will always meet 2 times in this case.
Now using the sum of laps of A and B when they are going in opposite directions also works in your example.
A does 10 laps, which means that according to the ratio, B does 6.66666… laps. This means they will meet 16.66666 times, but the 0.6666 is just getting close to meeting, not actually meeting. So we can say that they meet 16 times.
I think it’s like this.
Woah
Can you explain to me in a easy explanation
I do not do space science
Rocket science
Ok.
Imagine they both do 1 lap in opposite directions. First A does 1 lap, while B doesn’t move, and then B does 1 lap and A doesn’t move.
How many times would they meet?
Well, 2.
A does 1 lap and meets B at the end. B does another lap and meets A again after he’s done
So 2 times
Oh yeah
Now imagine instead of waiting for each other to start, they just do it together. They meet on the other side (if they go at the same speed since they are going in the opposite direction) and then they meet again at the end
Still 2 times
So we can notice that changing when they do the laps doesn’t change how many times they meet.
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What I am saying is that, if they wait for each other or they do the laps together (in opposite directions) doesn’t matter, they still meet twice.
Do you understand that
Yeah
Wait I have to go, but can you explain it to me in a dm
My mom calling me
So can you send the reason in dm
Alright, now that works with more laps too.
In your exercise A does 10 laps and B does about 6 laps.
Since we learned that the order of the laps doesn’t matter we can imagine that they wait for each other. First a does 10 and then b does 6. That means they meet 16 times
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Given a formula -2x^2+px+3. Can someone explain how/why any value of 'p' has two solutions using the discriminant only?
do you know what the discriminant tells you?
Yes, D > 0 is 2 solution, D = 0 is 1 solution and D < 0 is no solution.
But how can we proof that it is true?
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But when I use the discriminant I get p^2 +24 > 0, then p > sqrt(-24) and p < -sqrt(-24). But that isn't possible right, because of the negative root.
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Wait I got it, because the p^2 + 24 is always greater than (>) 0 with any real number. We can say that 'p' always has two solutions, right??
<@&286206848099549185> can someone confirm this if it's true?
What is the determinant for $-2x^2 + px + 3$?
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I'm sorry but I haven't learned about determinants yet
The question asked you to prove that $-2x^2 + px + 3=0$ has two solutions. To do that, you show that the determinant is greater than 0. As you calculated, the determinant is $p^2 + 24$, which is greater than $0$ for all $p$. That is, the determinant is greater than $0$ for all $p$. That is, $-2x^2 +px + 3$ has two solutions for all $p$.
waris
Is it that it hasn't been taught, or is it that you somehow ended up not learning it?
It hasn't been taught
What does your question ask exactly?
Can you tell me the precise words, please?
Ok wait a minute I'm gonna check
Prove that the quadratic equation -2x^2 + px + 3 = 0 has two roots for any "p".
The original question was actually in Dutch and was like this: 'Toon aan dat de vergelijking -2x^2 + px + 3 = 0 voor elke "p" twee oplossingen heeft.'
Okay, are you sure determinants have not been taught?
Wait..
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Discriminant.. i mean discriminant 🤦♂️
You know what a discriminant is, right?
Ohh I was confused😅
Yes of course
The question asked you to prove that $-2x^2 + px + 3=0$ has two solutions. To do that, you show that the discriminant is greater than 0. As you calculated, the discriminant is $p^2 + 24$, which is greater than $0$ for all $p$. That is, the discriminant is greater than $0$ for all $p$. That is, $-2x^2 +px + 3=0$ has two solutions for all $p$.
Yea, my bad.
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But what if we do p > sqrt(-24) and p < -sqrt(-24), what are we calculating here?
I'm not sure what you mean.
$p^2=(-p)^2 \geq 0$
waris
Which means p^2 + 24 is greater than 0 for all p, and is equal to 24 for p=0
When we have p^2 + 24 > 0 and we do
p^2 + 24 > 0
p^2 > -24
p > sqrt(-24) AND p < -sqrt(-24)
What is sqrt(-24)?
Can you put sqrt(-24) in a calculator and tell me what you get?
Ohh yeah it returns undefined
Think of this way:
The discriminant is p^2 + 24
We need to show that it's greater than 0 for any p, right?
Now p can be either negative, zero, or positive.
If we use a negative p, p^2 is positive. And 24 is obviously positive. So positive plus positive is positive i. e. greater than 0.
If we use a positive p, p^2 is positive. And 24 is obviously positive. So positive plus positive is positive i. e. greater than 0.
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And if we use p=0, then p^2 is 0. And p^2 + 24 is 24, which is also greater than 0.
So, for any p, p^2 +24 is greater than 0 i. e. positive.
Now recall that p^2 + 24 is the discriminant. So we've established that the discriminant is positive.
Which implies that there are two solutions to the quadratic equation of concern.
Oh ok so we don't need to calculate further because we have already proven it.
So when the equation was like 2x^2 + px + 3 = 0, we have to calculate the p to find the value where it has two solutions, right?
They didn't ask us to find p. They asked us to prove that the quadratic equation has two roots for whatever you can plug-in in place of p. That's equivalent to say that they asked you to prove that the discriminant, p^2+24 is positive for whatever you can plug-in in place of p.
And we established that there does not exist a p so that the discriminant would be non-positive. Which is equivalent to saying that it is positive for any p.
Which proves that the discriminant is positive for whatever p you put in, and thus proves that the quadratic equation in concern has 2 roots for whatever p you put in.
Is that clear? @normal forum
Compute the determinant for the special case you're asking abt
It is likely that there would be a condition imposed on p
$2x^2 + px + 3 = 0$
Bennxy
So here we need to calculate the p to find the scenario where it has 2 solution right?
You wouldn't calculate p, you'll be imposing a condition on it.
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does anyone know whats wrong with this?
Maybe your calculator isn't equipped to compute antiderivatives and wants you to input bounds? Or put a parentheses at the beginning of the integral and after dx
with bounds it work
for the 2nd question isnt there already a parenthesis?
which is why im confused lol
Then I guess you need bounds
Yep "too few arguments" means missing bounds most likely
if the questions have no bounds then im assuming im unable to use the calculator?
If you specifically want antiderivatives, I suggest as always wolframalpha.com
i cant use that on the test lol
Yeah so if you want antiderivatives I'm afraid you'll have to compute them yourself bc I don’t think your calculator can
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In 3 $\implies$ 2 in answer, how does $1x^{-1} \in H$ mean that x is invertible in H?
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1•x^[-1] = x^[-1] ?
Yes, that should be true. But I dont see how is it implied from the fact that $H \subset G$ and $\forall{x,y \in H} \implies x y^{-1} \in H$
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It was already proven that 1 is in H. Let x be 1. Then you have for all y in H y^[-1] is in H
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this is what i've started with i need help finishing this problem
Maybe deal with each set of brackets seperatly?
i am i started with the second one and need some help finishing it
$(a+b)(a-b) = a^2 - b^2$ and $a^2 + 2ab + b^2 = (a+b)^2$
For the second bracket, it seems like we have two negative summands, so we can't apply a^2 + 2ab + b^2 for real numbers (we could if we use complex numbers)
yeah im trying to figure out how to factor what they have in common i don't why i can't grasp the concept
so this part right here
There is an interesting theorem for polynomials that states that you can factor out each zero
okay what is it?
So if you found the zeros of x^2 - 27x - 90, or atleast one of them (in that case you could do polynomial long division), then you could factor it
ahh okay i think i might get it
Say some polynomial ax^2 + bx + c has zero z, then the theorem states that (x - z) must be a factor of it. That's the theorem
okay let me see if can get that down
Here an example: if you have a polynomial $x^2 - \frac 1 2 x - \frac{15}{2}$ and you know that it has a zero at $x = 3$ and $x = -2.5$, then you can factor it in the form $a(x-3)(x-(-2.5)) = a(x-3)(x+2.5)$, where $a$ is some constant factor in $\mathbb{R}$
Since the first term is $x^2$, having a factor of $1$, $a$ has to be $1$ too, otherwise the first term would not have the factor $1$
Thus, $x^2 - \frac 1 2 x - \frac{15}{2} = (x-3)(x+2.5)$.
how does that look?
im sorry im a lot confused are you saying that they aren't equal?
Yes
In the first picture you sent, you assumed that they are equal
yup i had used the ac method to get my answer
where did i mess up then since i had found ac method using it i had found factors of -90 which would be -30 and 3 which could also give us our B
-27x
then I just split the bracket so we could have to brackets
For $x^2 - 27x - 90$, we have that \begin{align*} x_1 + x_2 &= 27 \ x_1 \cdot x_2 &= -90 \end{align*}
Is that what you used?
one second let me show you i dont think i put it up
i pretty much use the theorm from this video to get to where i'm at in the problem
we find two factors of the product of the constant term (the term with no variable) and the coefficient of the squared variable whose sum gives the linear term. These factors are now placed in separate brackets with x to form the factors of the quadratic equation.
There are other methods that can be used to achive this including the AC, Berry, ...
what in the ac method though you make a x then for the top you put what you get when you multiply the first and last term which is -90 since we don't have any real numbers in x^2
then you put the middle term in the bottem
then you find factors of 90 that can make us a -27
Well, if you have $(x^2 - 30x)(3x - 90)$, you can see that the term with the highest degree (highest power) will be $x^2(3x) = 3x^3$, so a degree of $3$, while your original expression only has a degree of $2$.
oh no we wouldn't multiply them together we would have to break them down into an even simpler form which is x(x-30) and 3(x-30)
Well, if we multiply them together, what we should get is $x^2 - 27x - 90$, that's the point of factoring a polynomial
oh no i'm not trying to get back to the original probelm im trying to solve for m
You want to factor $x^2 - 27x - 90$, right?
i mean yeah but im trying to solve for 0 so like x^2 -27x -90=0
If you factor it, you can very quickly find the zeros. If you had something like $(x-3)(x+5) = 0$ for example, you could quickly say that the zeros are $3$ and $-5$, since if you plug those in, then one term in the product would be $0$, making the entire product $0$.
oh i mean't here trying to solve for x to see what leads to 0
That's most likely why the exercises says "factor and ...", it probably wants you to factor first
oh wait it cuts off for you so you don't see the whole thing
??
heres the whole thing
No, I can see it says factor and find the solutions/zeros
oh okay
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So you need to further factor $(36x^2 - 49)(x^2 - 27x - 90)$, the first bracket should be very quick to factor, since there is $(a^2 - b^2) = (a+b)(a-b)$
Both of the terms in the first bracket are perfect squares, so you can apply that (it's called the difference of squares)
Can you say what we would get if we want to factor $36x^2 - 49$?
thats the thing im not sure im not used to factoring binominals
first we want to start with finding the GCF right?
$a^2 - b^2 = (a+b)(a-b)$. \\
We can use that here, since we have $36x^2 - 49$, both of which are squares, and we are taking the difference of them, just like in the formula above.
Since $36x^2 = (6x)^2$ and $49 = 7^2$, we can say that $a = 6x$ and $b = 7$ and apply the above.
So $36x^2 - 49 = (6x + 7)(6x - 7)$
ohh i think i get it
i gotta leave but could it be possible to leave this room open and just ping you when i get back?
Here some other examples: \\ \begin{align*} 25x^2 - 36 &= (5x - 6)(5x + 6) \ 81x^2 + 100 &= (9x - 10)(9x + 10) \ 49x^2 - 4 &= (7x-2)(7x+2)\end{align*}
Sure, if I am still there
alright cool
If not, someone else will probably help you
But the room auto-closes in 20 minutes or so
so it might be closed by that time
okay got you
You can just open a new room in that case
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Blanking on some basic stuff before my final
use your knowledge of limits
Can be drawn on the papers a width and length LXW
Stacks can make 3D
Area can be dfefind by any formular LxW
3d only has 1/3 2/3
All of them equal 360, sides are same add them all up = 90
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Two lines meet and they make a 90 degrees and perpendocular
Cl H looks like a corner
Sharp corner
Biceps… divides them into half
Parrallel keep on rising infinity
Intersecting lines crosses each other like relation ships
Parrallel minds there buisness never meet
Opposite sides are parralel
All 2D shapes are not parallel
Formular (m-2)180
Formular (m-2)180 divide n
yes
Yo guys
try graphing the function, the limit at zero is clear
you can do it without graphing it
use both 😎
perhaps its not allowed on a test
I can use a ti-84 on exam
np, you helped me enough, have a nice one
