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The area is already given though
Right, can you notice any properties that x and y should satisfy?
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<@&286206848099549185> If i get x(t) = something and y(t) = something. y'(x) is calculated by y'(t)/x'(t). Is there anyway for me to calculate y(x) ?
yes
could you tell me how please
can you please send the question first, it might get a little hard to explain like this
how about this one
normally i will just solve for t from x(t)
then substitute t by x into y(t)
and ill get y(x)
but with some equations x(t) is too complicated its pretty hard to solve t respect to x
just find x'(t) and y'(t), now you know y'(x). then you can integrate y'(x) to find y(x)
this is the proper method of doing these kinda questions
find intergrate of y'(x) isn't better than solve t respect to x
so there's no easier way ?
you will have to substitute the value of t when you're done calculating y'(x)
only then you'll be able to integrate
i guess not
thank you so much
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how to solve those
use the definition of e
idk what that is
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Let $M$ be a non-empty subset of $\mathbb{R}$. Proove that $\sup{-x\ | \ x\in M}=-\inf(M)$.\\
Proof. Let $a=-\inf(M)$ then for $\forall x\in M$ holds that $\inf(M) \leq x$. When multiplying this equation by $-1$ we get $-x \leq -\inf(M) = a$, therefore $a$ is upper bound of ${-x \ | \ x\in M}$ . \
Let there be some $b<a, \ b\in\mathbb{R}$ such that $\forall x\in M:\ -x\leq b$. By multiplying both sides by $-1$ we get $-b\leq x$, implying that $-b$ is lower bound of $M$. Since $\inf(M)$ is the greatest lower bound of $M$, $-b\leq\inf(M)=-a$ and thats a contradiction with $b<a$, thus we prooved that $a$ is the least upper bound of ${-x \ | \ x\in M}$.
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Hello! I have come this far
How do I now determine what X and y should be ?
Do i need to only look at the (1-xy) part or do I need to consider the whole function ?
So in order for 1-xy = 0, Do i solve for x = 1/y and put it in the other equation as X or how do i proceed ?
Here is a better pic
(Firs is partial derivative of x and the other is partial derivative of y)
Alr no problem I found the critical points I think, if y = 0 then x = 0
If y =/= 0, y = y, x = 1/y
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How'd I prove that the polynomial p defined by
P(x)=x^3-kx^2+2kx-4k has atmost one real root for k>0
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Hello i would need some help to get the coefficient of the hessian
I just know that If I would just do the formula right over it would be very long, just wondering if there is any tricks in these types of equations ?
can we keep the factorization ?
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can someone help me with this please?
<@&286206848099549185>
hi
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I have tried solving this question by this method
But it isn't matching with the options
Why?
The actual solution is like this but I don't really care about the solution
I want to know why this method is wrong
You need to write the last term of the sum
It will be 1/2 cuz every term is 1/2 there right ?
yup i agree
Yeahhhhhhh
I forgot that it's convergent I can't use this method
You can use this method to solve for Sn
But why the last term isn't 1/2 but instead it's anything else , because when I was solving this , I substracted 3 terms and they all were 1/2
You just need to do this
The last term's numerator is not n-1
Would be easier to find the exact denominator first
Find the nth term of just the denominator.
Since the denominator is a GP
I can write the last term in the terms of 2 to the power of some exponent ?
Is that what you're referring to?
?
Yes
2^n or something similar
So what's the numerator
Right you should be able to find Sn/2 now and then double it to get Sn
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how to continue?
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f= x^3+y^3+z^3
x^2+y^2+z^2 = 27
x,y,z > 0
I need to parametrize the boundary curve on f given the contraint condition.
the reasoning is
i can rewrite in terms of 2 variables
f= x^3+y^3 + sqrt(27-x^2+y^2)^3
i can parametrize the boundary of the variables of the new f in x and y
x= sqrt(27) sin(t)
y= sqrt(27) cos(t)
plugging in f becomes
is this correct? z part becomes zero
since i have to take derivative of this, doesnt really matters, cause the fisrt sqrt27 i have there is just a scalar.
but the solution writes this
why only 27?
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@molten crystal is this the question from yesterday?
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yes but not same question
you didnt answered me to my question yesterday, you've just solved the problem without reading my question 😄
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unfortunately it's bed time now, i need to sleep
no worries, my new question is this one i've just wrote
if you wantto give it a shot, ill read tomorrow
i cant help with derivatives
my problem here is not so much derivatives
i have a different number than in the solution.
didnt say anything about integrals, but ok no worries
alright well gn
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Hello, I am trying to prove by induction that $(a+b)^n = \sum_{k=0}^n{n\choose k}a^kb^{n-k}$, I am at the inductive step and have arrived at this:
$\sum_{k=0}^n{n\choose k}a^{k+1}b^{n-k}+\sum_{k=0}^n{n\choose k}a^kb^{n+1-k}$, I am not sure where to go from here though to relate it to get a sum up to n+1
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I feel like it has to do something with the bounds or something because I've seen that you can do this somehow
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anyone able to help me with my algebra 
im stuck
Did you know that slope =Change in y coordinate /Change in X coordinate
This will help you in finding y
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what if by chance slope isnt defined
Slope is not defined only when change in X coordinate is 0
So you will have change in X coordinate=0
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Hi, I get the induction part all the way to the n = k+1 part. By the transitive property of inequality, if If a < b and b < c , then a < c. so when we want to prove that 20+(k+1)log(base2)k less than or equal to (k+1)^2, then doesnt the logic follow that anything less than 20+k+1logbase2k is ALSO less than (k+1)^2? How come in this answer scheme it writes 20+(k+1)logbase2(2k) is greater than 20+(k+1) could u please explain this to me?
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How come in this answer scheme it writes 20+(k+1)logbase2(2k) is greater than 20+(k+1) could u please explain this to me?
where does it say this?
it writes 20+(k+1)logbase2(2k) is greater than 20+(k+1)
they never write this
now we're talking
they just rewrote the log bit using log(ab) = loga + logb
yes i understand hwo they did it. but the question asks to prove 20+klog2k<k^2.
for a<b, if b<c then a<c
as 20+(k+1)log2(2k) is greater than thelog K+1 part, then it could also be greater than (K+1)^2
we are trying to prove that its less than (K+1)^2
they are making use of transitivity
the thing on the left is what you start with (let's call it a) and by replacing k+1 with 2k they've created something bigger (let's call it b)
then by using the assumption above they create something even bigger (c and then d). So they've shown b<c thus a<c as desired
we wanna prove 20+(K+1)log2(K+1) < (K+1)^2.
shouldnt we approach this by finding someting less than (K+1)log2(K+1) because we can guarantee it will be < (K+1)^2 as well?
in the answer they write 20+(K+1)log2(2k) greater than (K+1)log2(K+1). then this could also be greater than (K+1)^2 for all we know
which is not what we are trying to prove
because we can guarantee it will be < (K+1)^2 as well?
you can't guarantee this
how do we know that 20+(K+1)log2(2k) is greater than (K+1)log2(K+1) but NOT greater than (K+1)^2
sorry for the jargon i was referring to this link to help https://k12.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Mathematics/Analysis/07%3A_Sequences_Series_and_Mathematical_Induction/7.03%3A_Mathematical_Induction/7.3.03%3A_Induction_and_Inequalities
we know it's not greater than (k+1)^2 because the last line of inequalities shows it isn't
if you're asking how we know that ahead of time, that's not so easy to answer
so i kinda get the logic but can u explain in simpler terms, like maybe an example
i'm not quite sure what kind of example you're looking for
i also just had a big dinner so i'm operating at like 50% brain power lol
where exactly do they say this?
brb
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Show your work and someone can review it
Put random values of n & t, so the answer can be verified
What would a simple one be?
Real numbers
Put which can be easily calculated
It provides that it doesn't depends on t
Try to eliminate t
We did eliminate t because I'm getting the simplified answer to be 10 - 9.9^n
but if we use t = 1, n = 1
we get 1.9 for orginal expression
but simplified isn't 1.9
Put other real numbers & check, may u not get magnitude equal but if values are close to each other then the answer is right
okay I changed my answer to this:
10 - 9.1 (0.9)^n
that gives the magnitude very close
but not the same
Are you just guessing formulas?
Yes you should always do that
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not sure where to start
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factorizing what?
would that even work
for second equation
write b+3 as b+2+1
then multiply
and then substitute equation 1 into 2
then take ratio of equation 1 and 2
you will get b+2
from that you will have b
same for all other variables :))
write down what i told and you will understand
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i suck
sorry!
it doesn't work
oh):
real
sorry again i thought i had it
what if
Let P(x) = (a + x)( b + x + 1)( c + x + 2)(d + x + 3)
and find some relation for P(5) - somethign = number
so P(x) = x^4 + kx^3 + lx^2 + ox + p
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area between curves
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I would be integrating $\sqrt[3]{2x} - \frac{x}{2}$ from 0 to 4 in this case. Is there a particular reason you integrate from -4 to 0 also, and add it?
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i thought the integral would be -4 to 4
usually you have to find the intersection between the two curves and integrate the area they bound for these questions
instructions for this question is just sketch enclosed by the given curves and find its area
and when i put both cbrt 2x = x/2 i would get + or - 4 so i thought we integrate from there
the text book answer for this question is 4
yeah that makes sense actually. I used Wolfram and it gave 0 and 4 as the only solutions, but that is incorrect. -4 to 0 is also a solution as you've identified correctly. Your mistake is in the algebra
because the integral from 0 to 4 for the area is 2, and we can double it by symmetry to arrive at 4. I'll have a close read of the integration steps.
this is what i arrive to, is this not correct?
okay so the integral of the cube root of 2x is not (3/4)(2x)^4/3. The two is raised to 1/3, not to 4/3.
because $\sqrt[3]{2x} = \sqrt[3]{2} \cdot \sqrt[3]{x}$
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how come shouldnt the integral be adding 1 to 1/3? making it 4/3?
because it's a coefficient term. like $\int 2x dx = x^2 + c$ not $\int 2x dx = \frac{1}{2} \cdot 2^2 \cdot x^2 + C$
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using the properties of integrals, you can break apart the integral and take the term outside the integration sign, if you visualise that better.
oh okay so only x would be x^4/3 and 2 is stil cuberoot
yeah
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I have an expression with 4 variables, all of them are randomly chosen real numbers between 0 and 1
How do I find the expected value of the expression?
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No context, I have an expression, I want to find its expected value, I do not know how, because all I can find on the internet doesn't cover what I need
Yea, and how do I calculate that?
Do you need a proof? Or just an answer
A proof would be nice
Honestly, isn't every sum except 0 ans 4 equally likely? @fair dagger
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Why did the number stay the same after you squared it?
which one?
equation after (5)?
oh nvm i get what you did now
cannot solve the sysmem of equs
but the process should be right hmmm
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the absolute value is wrong, it should be the square root of that
|z²|=sqrt(a²+b²)=sqrt(841)
=29
29^2 =841
|z|^2 = a^2 + b^2
|z^2| = |z|^2 = a^2+b^2
oh ok i made a mistake
=29 is right
proceed from that and you should get the right answer
You cooould eyeball it
thank you!
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A rectangular prism has a height of $h$ units, and its base is a square with side length $x$ units. The volume of the prism is 128 cubic units. Find the minimum value of the expression $x^2 + 4h$.
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Do you know how to calculate the volume of a prism?
yes
base area * height
and the base here is a square with side x
so the volums = x^2 * h
Wait is a rectangular prism
Basically a 3d rectangle?
With 2 sides equal?
I was imagining a pyramid lmao
Can you use calculus?
If not what about AM GM
Ok AM GM is super simple
Tell me what the eqn we get from volume
And tell me what we need the min of
ok we need a = b for the minimum of the equation x^2+4h
to use AM GM we can do $\frac{x^2 + \frac{512}{x^2}}{2} \geq \sqrt{x^2 \cdot \frac{512}{x^2}}$
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meaning : ${x^2 + \frac{512}{x^2}} \geq 2 \sqrt{512}$.
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The stability of a system/transformation is defined as if x(t) is a bounded input, we have y(t) be a bounded output.
So if we have y(t) = x(t-2) + x(2-t)
how do i go about doing that
triangle inequality?
how exactly
ok assume the sum is bounded by M
then x(t-2) <= M and x(2-t) <= M
no wait
this is wrong
Start by restricting x. Thats the premise
operations on the time won't affect the bound
implying that
x(t) < M, x(2-t) < M, x(t-2) < M
x(t-2) < 2 ? How?
typo
ah ok
but anyways
absolute value function is not a linear function
so that's where triangle inequality comes in i guess
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yes
I guess there is a formula for when ± is in the denominator I don't remember however
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@zenith field just calculate it with the bigger value and then again with the smaller value
does that work?
yeah
you can use uncertainty formula if u want
but thats basically how it works
2pi/5.801 = 1.08312106657
2pi/5.811 = 1.08125715147
(1.08312106657 - 1.08125715147 )/2 = 0.00093195755
(1.08312106657 + 1.08125715147 )/2 = 1.08218910902
so your answer is 1.08218910902+-0.00093195755
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for int 3y^2e^(y^3) don't use IBP, recognize that d/dy(y^3)=3y^2 and use u-sub, everything else seems right
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can i get help?
determine the limit for lim x->infinity f(x) and lim x->-infinity f(x) if they exist
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i need help about a game
Well yeah with the 2 triangles there
they are 2 triangles, 4 rectangle trapezoids and 2 other figures
using all of them
can u send me a screenshot, dont have the app to view it
a mom i'll convert it
thanks
ohh
It is a hard question though
you essentially have to recompose them to create a square
Yeah what I think is that would be more related to trial and error rather than mathematics
exactly
wouldve been better if those were present physically
i don't know about that. Maybe you cannot. But you have to demonstrate why
one thing math can tell you is how big the square has to be
based on the total area
Then you can try with getting combinations that gives you the side length of the square
Maybe it would be faster to do that
can you use something else as a measuring tool?
maybe fold a dollar bill in half
i have only the pic sorry not the physical stuff
the area of the trapezoid is 1/2 x (b_1 + b_2) x h?
can you open it in an image editor and use a ruler there?
ok
,tex .plane geom
hayley is not british
yes
the trapeizium rectangle is: b=5.7. a=4.5. h=1.75
the triangles are: b=5; h=3.85
and the other 2 figures are: 2x4.2 x 3.7x1.85
the area i get is 70
70.03 to be precise
so 8.36 has to be the side of the total square
now?
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can someone check my work
determine the limit
i did the first part of the task
i wanna know if it's correct or not
It is correct
i did some tiny modifications
is it still correct
just making sure
Still correct
how about if i do -infinity instead of infinity
Well what do you think
e^1 * e^infinity
Correct
But you just need to specify that this way the limit doesn't exist
Wdym?
Like write thus followed by the first part of the question before the first arrow
DNE
like here?
No I mean after that solution
Like this
$\text{Thus} \lim_{x\to-\infty}(e^{-x+1}) DNE$
so i write that separately under my work?
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if i have an equation in the form of ( (x ± 0.5) - (y ± 0.5) ) / t, is that equivalent to (x-y)/t ± 1/t?
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yes it is
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i arrived late lol
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Hey there
having trouble finding this
I get a cubic but even with the hint its hella hard to solve
speicifcally the parts on B btw
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I found trouble to approximate the value of (83)^0.4 / (2.6)^4
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For q1 identify the operation made on the lhs
What’s lhs
And see if the same operation is made on the rhs
Left hand side
Rhs is right hand side
For example:
x=1
x-1=0
What operation did I do on both the sides?
Equals
No
X
operation means like minus plus divide multiply
How about if we rewrite this as:
x=1
x-1=1-1
What operation did I do on both the sides
Yes
I minus one on both sides
Doing this maintains the equality of the equation
What if I did:
x=1
x-2=1-1
Is the equality of the statement maintained?
Yes
No
On the lhs
We minus two
On the rhs
We minus one
Which are not the same
So equality is not maintained
What about
x=1
2*x=1*3
Is equality maintained?
Yes because it has 1
Are you sure
Look on the left hand side of the equal sign
What do I multiply x by?
2
3
So is equality maintained?
No
Yep
Alright now look at question 1 again
If there's ever a point where mal or Tyler's solution does not maintain equality
Then their solution is wrong
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Maybe they both get rid of the 2
What operation does mal do on both sides during the second step
Subtract
yes
Yes
Welp I tried
Oh
Revise your negative numbers frfr
I missed a year of school I got dumb
same
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how do you factor 8x^3 - 27 without knowing the formula
Learn the formula first
,w factor x^3-y^3
so no way without the formula?
No better way
well there's a way then
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if you were to factor it, you would be using the formula, directly or indirectly
it's like asking for how to walk without learning how to walk
wdym
if you want to know how to factor it you need to learn the formula to factor it
are you trying to derive the formula?
not really
im pretty sure those formulas are only there to make things faster
8x³ - 27
2³x³ - 3³
(2x)³ - 3³
(2x)³ + (2x)²×3 + (2x)×3² - (2x)²×3 - (2x)×3² - 3³
(2x)((2x)² + (2x)×3 + 3²) - 3((2x)² + (2x)×3 + 3²)
((2x)² + (2x)×3 + 3²)(2x - 3)
this is just deriving the formula but using specific values instead of a and b
step 4 just added and subtracted the same values
step 5 used those values to help with the factoring
was it a matter of trial and error?
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No , they derived the actual formula by thinking what terms can be added to factorise
As Riemann said it's best to remember those formula
Well I really don't want to memorize formulas as there's lots of them and theyre limited on what they cover
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Hello everyone I need help with a question, number C, it's from a mock exam I already gave and got back graded, I don't even know how to begin with d.
did you calculate question a and b
Oh, yeah I did
Well actually I messed up at a) and needed help to later fix it but I did b) right
I don't know how those two play into thear question though
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Hello, good morning, anyone help me understand the Weierstrass Function and its relation in the time domain and frequency domain, I don't have any clue about it but I need to understand it for my curiosity, I'm serious about it and am a speedy learner, could someone tell me sources to consume and how to visualize using Mathematica or any other tool!
when we talk about applying the Weierstrass function in certain contexts, such as signal processing, wave propagation
In signal processing, the time domain -as a signal evolving over time- and transformed it into the frequency domain via a fourier or laplace transform
This is what I mainly thinking of and trying to visualize but I'm missing the core pieces of information on how to do it exactly and how would I modify the context of using it, if u have some materials or sources I can rely on to find some understanding on how to use it I would appreciate it.
what I'm trying to do is I'm a trader in the foreign exchange market who has a weird theory about the market and its fractality and its relation to the WF they share a lot of similarities and i don't mainly believe in coincidences.
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hello
hey
think what u can take common (a, b)
oh ok
I did it
wait the last one is -3
oh wait
nvm
I think i got it
thanks
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Does $B{n+1} \Delta B{n} \to \phi$ means limit of $B_{n}$ exists?
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$B_{n}$ is a set sequence
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im learning induction
so ike i dont think you can just directly put in induction here?
Looks to me like a telescopic problem
yeah i think it is but why is it in the intermediate questions of something about induction
you might be using induction later
i wouldnt worry about it too much
maybe once you find the expression for f(n), if there is some, then you're gonna use induction to prove it works
I think this problem is inverted, you are given a result proved using induction and finding its properties, instead of the other way round
So like if u solve this, u get a telescopic form
So the induction question might be this: f(n)/f(n-1) = (n+1)/(n-1), prove using induction that f(n) = that result
there should be a 2 in numerator right?
it could easily be!
uhh sorry something came up
hm
isnt it like 2/(m)(m+1)
oh wait you alr said that
so its 2/1997
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For what value of k is f continuous at 2? What is the range of the function?
Use the left and right limit definition of continuous and solve for k
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I have no idea how the options of orthagonal directions were calculated
The example problem just... states they exist, and this is what they are
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<@&286206848099549185> ? The example problem I'm studying at the moment lacks instruction on how to find directions orthagonal to the gradient
set the dot product with the gradient to zero
Like this?
yea you have 2 free variables
the book just arbitrarily picked y=1
typical/conventional thing to do
Wouldn't that imply an infinite number of orthagonal directions? Which, I mean, there are in 3 dimensions, but...
Since we're trying to find where there is no change in z, that cuts us down to 2..
yes there is
I guess my point is.. I don't see how we can just arbitrarily pick a value for y
just like how there are infinitely many lines perpendicular to y=x
y = -x, y = -x+1, y=-x -1
pick a different value for y and see
maybe x=1
find that y value
and verify the dot product is still zero
you have two unknowns, but only one equation. so there are infinitely many solutions
Right.. and yet, the book states there are only two possibilities
And incidentally, if we pick x = 1, y comes out to 1/3
Just to be clear, the direction has to be perpendicular (in the XY plane) to the dotted line at that specific point
So I understand there can only be two options.. I just don't know how the book calculated (3, 1) and (-3, -1) were the only two
(And I also don't know how it excluded (-3, -1) from being a valid answer, but.. that was going to be the follow-up question)
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how do i ask it to teach me functions 0.0
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basic question why is arcos (-x) = pi - arcos( x) but arcsin (-x) = - arcsin (x)
this is true ?
u must prove it ?
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yeah i was wondering about the proof
or a intuitive explanation works too most likely to adjust ans to its domain
ok so u can study f(x) = arcos (x) + arcos (-x)
but not sure thats rigorous enough
idk
Have you graphed it?
me ?
sin is positive in first two quadrants and cos has 1st and 4th quadrant
with this u should have a null derivative
Yep.. and if your cos^-1 value ends up in quadrants 2 or 3, how would you make them positive?
so a constant value
ah yeah substract pi from it
Bingo
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help me out guys
find LCM of 30,36 and 40
how
Heard of prime factorization?
yeah, start by finding the prime factors of each of the three numbers
i mean HOW yOU KNOW WHAT to taKE HcF ANd LcM
It says the minimum distance so that they all can cover in complete steps
So that implies LCM
It's more of intuition and as you do more questions it will become better
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What is the formula to figure out this type of question?
what number times .99 = 198?
Chaotic question indeed😂
.99x=198
So 198 divided by .99 = 200
wow😭 😂
So that’s the way to do it ?
dayum
ayy same
type shii
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how to prove de morgans law
How would you approach this?
i already saw some proofs in internet
but it looks like its just using 'or' ' and' operators
cant i prove it without these operators
When in doubt use Ven diagrams
i think 'and' 'or' operators cant directly used interchangeably with union and intersections
they are bit differents aren they
how isnt it explicitly same. what should i write on the explanation. if you have eyes you will know it or what
Hold on I'm cooking it up
okk
ja genau

As for 'and' and 'or' I'm fairly sure they are defined with set operations as a basis
so they can be equivalent
I just messed up in my explanation above
but then what is the point of proving it if i use it inside again.
So a set union gives us all elements of both sets A and B, as such we could declare set C that holds all elements contained in either set A OR set B
And a set intersection gives us elements contained only by both sets, so only elements that are contained in both set A AND set B
And then the c is just the NOT operator, since it gives us everything NOT in the set
So you can really translate the initial law as
NOT of (A OR B ) = (NOT of (A)) AND (NOT of (B))
I did it I think
let me see it
every one is allowed
nosols though
bacc (unhelpful)
use this property
(says I after sending the solution in visual form)
Logically (A U B)^C means universal set without (A U B)
and then you should derive it
Proof by logic
actually defined like that
what if teacher asks me to prove my logic again
huh
isnt it literally what we are trying to prove
du machst davon gebrauch
You wanna prove this
I write down it differently and I apply the following property
yes
how im gonna prove this one
du stellst mir fragen
ja
mengen technisch haben wir x ist aus omega und es gilt x ist nicht aus A und x ist nicht aus B
Also
bacc (unhelpful)
das ist halt das was man festellt, ich wüsste aber nicht wie man das jetzt formal beweisen würde
ich weiss auch nicht.
wenns x nicht in A oder x nicht in B wäre dann wäre das falsch
es muss beides eben gelten, weil wenn das Element in mindestens einer der beiden Mengen ist, hätten wir ein Problem
denn dann wäre es ja nicht mehr außerhalb
deswegen folgt das
das könnte man so argumentieren
wir haben noch nicht ueber 'and' und 'or' behandelt.
es sieht aus, als ob wir es unmoeglich es ohne and und or zu beweisen koentten oder?
wie meinst du and und or
hier hast du direkt and geschreiben oder?
ja
ich köntte es auch theoretisch denke ich so formulieren
\begin{align*}
\Omega \setminus ( A \cup B ) &= { x \in \Omega : | : x \not \in A \text{ and } x \not \in B } \
&= { x \in \Omega : | : x \not \in A } \cap { x \in \Omega : | : x \not \in B }
\end{align*}
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wenn ersteres gilt folgt das zweite eben
das erste kommt davon, weil es so eine art festellung ist, die gelten muss
das element darf eben in weder noch A oder B sein
das heißt anders ausgedrückt es darf weder in A noch in B sein
und so folgt es dann würde ich sagen
ja ja ich verstehe. es ist logisch.
prinzipiell ist die schnittmenge and und vereinigung or gleich, der unterschied ist, die runde schreibweise wird in der mengenlehre benutzt, und die "eckige" in der logik
das ist halt wie als ob du mich fragst, warum folgt aus x-1=0 dass x=1
ok ja das könnte man durch einsetzen zeigen lol
aber die frage ist von unserem Lehrer nicht von mir
also was ich meine ist, dass ich das jetzt so grundlegend zerlegt habe, dass ich denke es keines noch tieferen beweises erfordert
okay, danke
jetzt schaust du enttäuscht 😂
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can someone help me with this?
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@lethal hornet Has your question been resolved?
Please show the original problem, exactly as it was stated to you, with the entire original context. A picture or screenshot is best. If the original problem is not in English, then post it anyway! The additional context might still be helpful. Do your best to provide a translation.
it may help to draw a picture