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chilly walrus
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r is 7

arctic rock
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wait how

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won't we end up doing

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10-r+r?

restive inlet
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binomial theorem gives you terms in the expansion based on the value of r

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you want to use the r value where that results in x having a power of 7,
which in this case will be 7

arctic rock
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okay but what if we're finding x^16 or sumn

restive inlet
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well there won't be an x^16 here

arctic rock
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oH so its only possible if its for eg (x^2)^r

restive inlet
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no.

arctic rock
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HUH

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(1-x^2)^10

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we can do it here no?

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cus then (10 c r) (1)^10-r x (-x^2)^r

restive inlet
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what you have depends on your expression

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(1-x^2)^10
does have an x^16 term

arctic rock
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SWEET

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Hi

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normal coral
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Here's this q 11

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Shouldn't it be practically wrong

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It could be rewritten as

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nf(n) - 1 = a(x-1)(x-2)(x-3)(x-4)(x-5)

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a can be easily given as -1/5!

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But is there any way to find f(0)?

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Obv except taking it as a 5 degree polynomial with 5 variables and using f(n) = 1/n for the variable substitution

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proper vessel
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Find the limes

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@proper vessel Has your question been resolved?

pastel salmon
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to się w pamięci robi, o które pytasz ?

proper vessel
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Tak tak tylko nie jestem pewien czy zrobiłem błąd czy jest błąd w odpowiedzi a bez tego nie zasnę hah

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2.40

pastel salmon
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4/7 , z tego co widać by to wylizcyc uzywasz sprzezenia do mianownika

pastel salmon
thorny flameBOT
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Joanna Angel

pastel salmon
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wtedy na dole zostaje ci 7n, a na górze suma z ktorej wyciagasz n przed nawias skracasz i koniec

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wtedy na gorze w wliczinku 2 + 2 w granicy

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a na dole 7

proper vessel
pastel salmon
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ok 🙂

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ja te zadania robilm z moimi uczniami i studentami setki razy z tego zbioru

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ale lubę ten zbior

proper vessel
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Przyznam póki co pierwsze zadania z niego robię, ale w porównaniu do niektórych ksiazek akademickich naprawdę wydaje mi się przystępnie napisany

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Chociaż będę się wypowiadać jak dojdę do czegoś trudniejszego może

pastel salmon
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dokladnie, znam anegdote, 40 lat temu Kysicki pojechal do ameryki lacinskiej

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i na lotnisku, uslyszeli jego nazwisko i pytaja czy to ten od zbioru zadan :))

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alob nawet i wczesinej niz 40 lat temu

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haha

proper vessel
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Wow aż tak popularna ksiazka?

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Ale to naprawde musi już znaczyć o jakosci

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Tymbardziej że jest nieodłącznie od 40 lat

pastel salmon
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wiesz, wtedy to bylsimny komuinsci haha, i oni wtedy jezdzli na kube albo nikaragua haha

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wlasnie

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całe pokolenia matemtykow sie wychowala na tym zbiorze

proper vessel
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Ale faktycznie wypożyczyłem trochę tego materiału z biblioteki i są w tych książkach historyczne kartki i no Krysicki zebrał najwięcej autografów

pastel salmon
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🙂 czyli przekonujesz sie na wlasnej "wiedzy" 🙂

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tam sa dwa tomy, zcesc 1 i 2, jak zrobisz 3/4 z tego to wymiatasz na studiach o ktorym wpsominales

proper vessel
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Mam nadzieję bo po rozmowie z absolwentami mogę stwierdzić że egzamin z rachunku różniczkowego ponoć jest najcięższy

pastel salmon
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tak, taki egzamin zastepuej egzaimnb wstepny na uzcelnie, obecnie

proper vessel
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Z tego co wiem ma bardzo nietypowa formę gdzie można napisać go na 90% i nie zdać

pastel salmon
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tego to nie wiem jak jest na agh , to zalezy tez od wydzialu

proper vessel
pastel salmon
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mój starszy mentor, obecine kolega po fahcu Górniak, razem z Inlgotem słynymn swego czasu na PWR, wymyslili regulamin ze nawet jak si emial 100% to nadal sie nie zaliczalo hahahah

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maskra

proper vessel
pastel salmon
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polecam wideo na youtube od Górniaka

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objerzy jsboie

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dam ci link na dm

proper vessel
pastel salmon
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ah super

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haha

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aporpo poczytaj legendy w inteneecie o Pietraszko, niestety zmarl niedawno, a on byl legenda we wrocławiu na PWR

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hahaha

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matemtyk

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zadawal masakryzcne kolokwia z analziy

proper vessel
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Wpisałem i wyskoczyła pasta na wykopie

pastel salmon
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haha

proper vessel
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Musiał naprawde niejednemu studentowi dać w kość, bo chyba całkiem popularna

pastel salmon
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haha

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dokładnie

proper vessel
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To jest coś w stylu matematyka dyskretna zabiera przeciwnikowi 7 pkt etcs

pastel salmon
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ale juz go ine ma niestety , mam niexla kolkecje jego zadan w razie zcego

proper vessel
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Jak przejdę przez Krysickiego i uznam ze potrzebuje silniejszych wrazen To się odezwę hah

pastel salmon
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dobrze:) Powodzenia! 🙂

proper vessel
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Dzięki :)

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ivory needle
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hello! im looking for help with this proof. i've attached my work and an example of how the proof should look from my class slides

ivory needle
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my work is the image on the left (For question 2a)

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im looking for some x such that for all a>1, M>0, a^x > M

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im thinking along the lines of some kind of large negative exponent to make the left side of the inequality a very small fraction, but im not sure if that is correct

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<@&286206848099549185> just following up on this!

jade fulcrum
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?

ivory needle
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hi! i just havent heard from anyone regarding this question yet

jade fulcrum
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which 1

ivory needle
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i just gave a brief explanation of where im at under it

jade fulcrum
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relations and functions question?

ivory needle
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its a logic proof i guess

jade fulcrum
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m not gud with proofs, mayb sm1 else could help

ivory needle
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no worries, do you know if i should ping helpers again or would that be annoying lol

jade fulcrum
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sm1 will help, just wait like 5 mins ig

ivory needle
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kk thanks anyway!

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mighty hound
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HELP PLS

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draw the parallelogram ABCD in the figure; O is the intersection point of its diagonals. The point K is outside the plane of the parallelogram. KA=KC and KB=KD. Prove that KO is perpendicular to (ABCD).

ivory needle
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sorry im still waiting for someone lol

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theres some open channels tho

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<@&286206848099549185> hi sorry im still waiting for help if anyone is able

late marlin
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what was the ques?

ivory needle
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i gave some points of where im at right under it for some context

late marlin
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I didnt get what you want help with in actual

ivory needle
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im looking for some x such that for all a>1, M>0, a^x > M

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i just cant figure out what x would have to be since a, M have the range of all real numbers

late marlin
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oh wait lemme give it a try

ivory needle
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thank you!

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im thinking it has to equal something with a and/or M

late marlin
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aint x should belong to (0,1)

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if proving a>1, M>0, a^x < M

ivory needle
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x can be any real number as well

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sorry idk if i understand what you said

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dire tinsel
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I got dummy question lol

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dire tinsel
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We have a 20 sided dice where every side is assigned to a number, let's say we throw it 3 times, how many results can you get from throwing the dice (assuming that{1,2,3} is the same result at {3,2,1}

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My ans is 20³ / 3!

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Is it correct

abstract wadi
# dire tinsel Is it correct

Your reasoning is that you choose 1 number from the 20 in each turn, then divide by 3! Because of the repetition (1,2,3) ; (1,3,2); (2,1,3)...?

dire tinsel
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Yes

abstract wadi
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This is incorrect, because while that 3! Does work when all three numbers are different. Because then you'd have counted them differently, bit of (1,1,1) is counted only once, and dividing that by 3! Is wrong.

dire tinsel
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Oh crap ur right

abstract wadi
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Might wanna count them separately.

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3 different numbers, 2 different numbers and only 1 number.

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Like that.

dire tinsel
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Ah like make cases for each similar number

abstract wadi
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yeah

dire tinsel
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Is there a faster way lol

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Seems like a bit of work for me lol

abstract wadi
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Not one I can think of just by looking at it immediately.

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But as you already know the issue in what you got, maybe you can fix that by adding something?

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Because what you've gotten is probably less than the actual answer?

dire tinsel
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Hmmm can also work but how can I approach that

abstract wadi
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Meh, that sounds more work than what I originally stated.

dire tinsel
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Yeah lol

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Guess I will stick with ur first solution

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Thanks man combinatorics has been fairly mysterious to me lll

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hi! so, im learning tautologies. so there's a theorem, if A is a propositional formula, which is tautology, and it got letters A1, A2, ..., An; B is obtained by substituting A1, A2, ..., An instead of letters A1, A2, ..., An, so B is tautology too. what does every thing in this theorem mean? like, i got that any letter in the form is proposition, which means, in A as tautology, A1 is tautology too. but how we are getting B by substituting forms with indexes instead of letters with indexes?

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this is stressful

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Pls

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graceful leaf
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I know how to do this whole worksheet that has 20 questions except this problem

worthy storm
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what is the question?

graceful leaf
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wait why the negatives look like that

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wait i retake pic

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Nvm same

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Ok

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I take picture of what i have so far

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sometjing like this? or bad

worthy storm
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what are you asked to do

graceful leaf
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Oh

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simply and express answer with positve exponent only

worthy storm
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ah ok

worthy storm
graceful leaf
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ok nice

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So do i do anything to the 8 and 1/2

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like = 4?

worthy storm
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sure

graceful leaf
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Oh ok

worthy storm
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and then you need to deal with m^-2

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since negative exponents are not allowed

graceful leaf
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oh

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Then make it

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in denominator?

worthy storm
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yep

graceful leaf
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Ok perfect

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thnxs

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tight rivet
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What do I do

torpid sparrow
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The instruction says in terms of sine

hollow drum
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It does say in only terms of sine

torpid sparrow
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But your wrote tan for some reason

tight rivet
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Oh I didn’t see

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But I still don’t understand it

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How did they get -sinx from cot or cos

torpid sparrow
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No

hollow drum
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Do you know your reciprocal identities?

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As that's what you are applying

torpid sparrow
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The are doing from the left side

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They get the -sin(x) from -sin(x)

tight rivet
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Oh

tight rivet
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So it should be 1/sin(x)?

torpid sparrow
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That’s what csc(x) is

granite hull
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1/sin(x) - sin(x)

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Left to right.

tight rivet
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??

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1/sin -sin =1/sin - sin^2/sin

granite hull
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-sin^2(x)

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The exponent goes before the variable.

tight rivet
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Bruh it’s still wrong

granite hull
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holdon.

hollow drum
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You have 1/sin - sin^2/sin

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$\frac{a}{b} + \frac{c}{b} = \frac{a + c}{b}$

thorny flameBOT
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CaptainNova22

granite hull
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You have to multi. both sides by sinx/sinx

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You should get sinx-sin^2x/sinx

tight rivet
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Ok I added the 1

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What about the last one

granite hull
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You confused me.

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Its a pythagorean identity.

tight rivet
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I wrote the reciprocal identity

tight rivet
granite hull
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Yeah, thats a reciprocal identity.

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Then you rewrite 1-sin^2x to cos^2x

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Break up the cos^2x into cosx * cosx

tight rivet
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Yeah I got those

granite hull
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OK.

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Good?

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The answer is k=1, which is one of the answers I got, but why isn't k=-39 an answer as well?

vapid sonnet
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They are coffecient of different variables

mighty zodiac
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Oh crap yeah

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Lmfao

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Alright thanks alot hahaha

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Need a explaination why this improper integral diverges.

north panther
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the graph diverges

frozen totem
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Would it be possible to solve this without a graphing calculator?

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Im not too sure how to start with this

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frozen totem
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Would you plug in your limits

north panther
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yes

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I dont' think the C matters as it is a definite integral

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so you would do (-1/(0)+1) - (-1/(-1)+1)

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do you have the answers for this probelm

frozen totem
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Yes

north panther
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is it undefined or infinty?

frozen totem
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it only says its diverging but not the reason why

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Would it be infinity presumably?

north panther
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yes

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Please don't occupy multiple help channels.

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^

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pick one channel and close the other @proud seal

proud seal
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I could not find another

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Im noob

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How do i close it

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Thanks

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I accidentally clicked another channel

grave bough
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when calculating area under graph with integral under two functions intersectinfg, and f(x) is greater than g(x), do you do f - g or g - f?

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proud seal
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Question: How do I calculate the integral? It looks quite complicated.

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Ok

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Thanks

noble laurel
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Mid term prep

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I do have the answer, but I do not know how this prof simplify and solve for volume

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Does anyone know how to evalute this?

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!status

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obsidian bone
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i have completed part a

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i need help with part b

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i have tried and opened like 4 help channels n not got any help till now

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jade fulcrum
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man still not solved

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i saw this question like 14 hours ago

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sadly i dont know how to prove things

obsidian bone
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yup

eternal kayak
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Or concept of similar triangles?

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take angleMAD as theta, then angleDAK is 90-theta and so angleKAB is theta, AM/AD = AB/AK, AM.AK=AB.AD= Area of each rectangle

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slender sonnet
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In a aretmatic sequence a1+a2+a3 equals 15 .if we minus 1 from the first 2 numbers and add 1 to the third one the new numbesf make geometric sequence need to find the arethmatic sequences sum of first 10 numbers

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slender sonnet
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Idk where to start

restive inlet
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start by expressing a_2 and a_3 in terms of a_1

slender sonnet
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A_1 equals a_3-a_2 ??

restive inlet
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no

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do you know the definition / proerties of an arithemetic sequence?

slender sonnet
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I think i do

restive inlet
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apply that here

slender sonnet
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Wich one?

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An??

restive inlet
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apply the given definitions to get an expression for a_2, (using a_1 as your first term)

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(also introduce a variable to represent your common difference)

slender sonnet
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a1+d right?

restive inlet
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yes

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and what about a_3

slender sonnet
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Same but 2d

restive inlet
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why didn't you write the actual expression...

slender sonnet
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a1+2d

restive inlet
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anyway, your first three terms are
a_1
a_1 + d
a_1 + 2d
now write the equation saying the sum of those is 15

slender sonnet
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Ok now what?

restive inlet
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afterwards:

we minus 1 from the first 2 numbers and add 1 to the third one
what are the new numbers

slender sonnet
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Sry gtg now got class if you tell me what the next steps are it would help a lot thanks

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A1-1

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A2-1

restive inlet
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using

a_1
a_1 + d
a_1 + 2d

slender sonnet
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And a3+1

restive inlet
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i shouldnt' see a_2 or a_3 anymore

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only a_1 and d

slender sonnet
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Ok got that

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What next

restive inlet
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the new numbesf make geometric sequence

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apply the defintion / property of geometric sequences

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that'll give you another equation

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you'll now have a system of two equations with two variables
a_1 and d

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solve that to determinet their values

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then arithmetic series formula to find the desired sum

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I'm preparing for an exam by doing old tasks, and I've come across the following.

Prove by induction, that the following is true for every n ∈ N
(My professor defines N as not including zero)

deft wing
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now, When I start with n = 1,
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(0-1) + (2-1) = 0 obviously, 0 != 1^2

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am I doing something wrong here, or is the formula itself bogus?

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Thanks, that's what I thought but wasn't sure about.

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can somebody check my work ty

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i cant simplify

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craggy haven
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what's your goal?

neon iron
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cos⁴x is the answer

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(from the book)

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i just

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dont know how to simplify

craggy haven
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the book says #5 is equal to cos⁴x?

neon iron
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uh huh

craggy haven
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what is the question

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it says #3 is 0 and it very much is not

neon iron
craggy haven
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that's an equation

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not a question

neon iron
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wait what

craggy haven
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what is it asking you to do with this equation

neon iron
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OH

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SHIT

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find the derivative

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im sorry

craggy haven
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well now we are getting somewhere

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that explains where the x ran off to from 3/8 x...

neon iron
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yeah mb

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i thought i caught the question from the photo

craggy haven
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you missed an application of the chain rule in your derivative

neon iron
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oh hol on

craggy haven
neon iron
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aaahhhhh

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OH

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ok waitt

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still answering btw

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ok i need more help 😭

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was i right factoring cos²x?

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but then what do you do with the 3sin?

versed cairn
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maybe use sin^2x = 1 - cos^2x so everything u have becomes cos function

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and then open brackets and check if anything simplifies

neon iron
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alright tyty ill try it

neon iron
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I FINALLY DID IT

neon iron
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ty again pandaHugg pandaHugg pandaHugg

versed cairn
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sin^2 + cos^2 = 1
1 + tan^2 = sec^2
1 + cot^2 = cosec^2

neon iron
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man my trigonometry sucks

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np

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again thank you guys

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is there a flaw in this? i have to show that the function is injective, but i have come to the conclusion that it is not

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hollow shard
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the last line looks wrong

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f'(x) < 0 monotone strictly decreasing

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imagine a always dropping curve

flat dagger
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oh so criteria is that it only must be strictly increasing or decreasing

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and so in this case decreasing

flat dagger
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i mean for a function to be one to one

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deriv can be below 0?

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should my last line be 'f'(x) < 0, which is strictly decreasing and therefore the function is injective ''

hollow shard
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i mean on (-infty, 0) its injective

flat dagger
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is injectivity and one to one not the same?

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yeah

flat dagger
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yeah

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okay thank you

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no

flat dagger
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oh

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actually idk

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just forget i said 1 to 1

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haha alright

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glad sierra
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is there any pattern for perfect squares ?

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glad sierra
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like how they are distributed ?

obsidian solstice
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0 1 4 9 16
The distances are 1, 3, 5, 7,...

glad sierra
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why is this happening?

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how do we prove it?

obsidian solstice
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I'll give you a hint: how would you write the distance between two numbers?

glad sierra
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n^2 - (n-1)^2

obsidian solstice
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Yes

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Use that

glad sierra
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d=2n-1

haughty mural
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we can use some python 🙂

here we plot all the perfect squares up to 1000
the value of the square is on the y axis
the x axis just orders them
so the difference between the squares is the difference between the y values of these points
notice that this looks like x^2

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obsidian solstice
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You can prove for example that the distance between 2n-1 and 2(n+1)-1 is constant

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glad sierra
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aren't they same number?

obsidian solstice
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No

glad sierra
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2(n+1)-1 = 2n+2-1= 2n+1

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Yes

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Good Evening!
I am trying to solve c) from the exercise but I only manage to get one equation for the SLE.
Any advice how I can calculate the second?

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Can anyone help me with this plssss

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Hey y’all for the tables I need to find out if the tables are Quadratic function or a Linear or a exponential function.And for the next question I need to write down in the boxes which function that goes into (I mean the first 3 functions you see) And for the last one it already tells you what to do (I just wanna say that this is just a review I’m supposed to do for a test).

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trim inlet
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Ye

rigid ivy
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For example, here, the rise over run is always -3/5

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For quadratic and exponential, it may be easier if you can graph the points

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A quadratic function will usually start decreasing, then eventually turn around and start increasing (or the other way around)

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An exponential will just grow faster and faster

tawdry hedge
rigid ivy
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It’s not a test it’s just a review

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We are taking a test about it next week

rigid ivy
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The last two questions are asking a lot of things

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I'm confused by the graph and the function though. Are they supposed to match or no?

tawdry hedge
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I’m aware of that since we usually get reviews about something that’s exactly like the ones on the test but just different numbers

tawdry hedge
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Since it says match it with the property according to the function

rigid ivy
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Is there like a list of graphs/functions to choose from or how does it work?

tawdry hedge
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I made like a small example, your Just supposed to check it off

rigid ivy
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Ohh I see. One for the graph function and one for the written function

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gotcha

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Well let's break it down one-by-one

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Are either of them quadratic functions?

tawdry hedge
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Wouldn’t the written one be a quadratic function?

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While the graph would be a exponential

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Almost I just need help with these ones now

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lucid quiver
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Sorry that is a tiny bit difficult to see in the picture I just ask you to take it 1 last time, is that possible, to make sure it is clear, because it's hard to see those answers.

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can you do that or is it not possible?

tawdry hedge
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Just Zoom in a Little

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Well y’all I solved the other one so I just need help with this one

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tawdry dagger
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well 3 has to be g, since f and h dont have asymptotes

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4 is also g, since it has the biggest value at x = 2

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2 is f since it has by far the smallest value at x = 7

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idk about 1 though

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f and h grow at the same speed

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but g grows faster

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so the answers are
g
f
g
g

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( I think )

tawdry hedge
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OK THANK YOU 🙏🙏

tawdry dagger
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is it correct

tawdry hedge
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Yeah it is thank youuu

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I Need Help with one more question though sorry y’all 😭

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Ik the first 2 but not the rest

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need to find the oblique asymptote

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i think what you have is right, though i dont know where the x in the denominator came from

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oh wait i get ur question now

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wary prairie
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my problem is i know that this limit is 0

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so b is also 0, right?

jade meadow
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what is b?

wary prairie
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a = f(x)/x, b = f(x) - ax

jade meadow
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also consider the fact that there is an x-2 in the denominator of the power

wary prairie
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to calculate the oblique asymptote

jade meadow
wary prairie
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right

jade meadow
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wait but isnt f(x)-ax just always 0

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because a= f(x)/x

wary prairie
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I think so

jade meadow
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ng;l i never used these methods when finding asymptotes

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but

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remember that x-2 cant be 0

wary prairie
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but then, the oblique asymptote should be y=0?

jade meadow
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y=e^-3 as you said for normal asymptote

wary prairie
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I don't understand

jade meadow
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because as x approaches inf, f(x) approaches e^-3

wary prairie
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right

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but should the oblique asymptote be y=0, as y = ax+b, where a = 0 and b = 0.

jade meadow
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ohhh that's what you meant

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also

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i dont think theres oblique asymptotes

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for this equation

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i only see vertical and horizontal asymptotes

wary prairie
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in this example, when oblique asymptote is y=0, I think it's an exception, where it's a horizontal asymptote, no?

jade meadow
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the asymptotes i found were x=2 and y=e^-3 for f(x) = e^(-3x/(x-2))

wary prairie
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right

jade meadow
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for e^(-3x/(x-2))/x it would be x=0 and y=0

wary prairie
jade meadow
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right

wary prairie
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That's my question

jade meadow
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but i dont think theres any other asynmptotes here

wary prairie
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as the oblique asymptote is y=0, shouldn't it be counted as additional horizontal asymptote?

jade meadow
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additional?

wary prairie
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I calculated the oblique asymptote and it came out to be y=0

jade meadow
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wait what's the functin

wary prairie
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but I know that e^-3 is already a horizontal asymptote

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you have it at the thop

jade meadow
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the expression with e^(-3x/(x-2))?

wary prairie
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exp(-3x/x-2)

jade meadow
wary prairie
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what

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we did it above

jade meadow
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over x?

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that doesnt work here

wary prairie
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i don't understand

wary prairie
jade meadow
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i just dont get where you got a 0

jade meadow
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when a=0 it's a horizontal asymptote

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not oblique

wary prairie
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that's what i mean

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so the horizontal asymptote is y=0

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right?

jade meadow
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e^-3, as you calculated here

wary prairie
jade meadow
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oh ok

wary prairie
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what

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how

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but we calculated that it's y=0

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I know I already calculated y=e^-3

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as an horizontal asymptote

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but we got another one

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calculating the oblique one

jade meadow
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why do you think b=0 as well?

wary prairie
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oh yeah Im dumb

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holy

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I forgot it is f(x) - ax

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not f(x)/x - ax

jade meadow
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😭

wary prairie
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so b = e^-3, and the 'oblique' asymptote is y = 0 * x + e^-3

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and everything is right

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i hate it

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haha

jade meadow
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yeah lol

wary prairie
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I got so confused

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well

jade meadow
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happens

wary prairie
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thank you for going through this with me

jade meadow
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np

wary prairie
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i see you play chess aswell

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are you good?

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nah not really i used to play during covid but nowadays im just playing otb with my friends for fun

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oh okay, that's cool

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hey I was just wondering how did they get the equations and points from the original question?

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so far we've only done double integral as well?

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Original question? Sorry what do you mean there?

inland oak
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i mean given the original question, how did we derive the points and equations in the second image which came from the textbook solution page

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i get what enclosed by the coordinate planes mean now, but they then transform it into 2d which is just weird

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Oh sorry what was the first image?

inland oak
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i get how we got the points now

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and since we transformed it into the 2d plane, did they just get rid of the Z variable? so 2x+y+z=4 then just became 2x+y=4 which is y=4-2x

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Well no, I don't think they copied the formula from the first page, i believe that z was used, to determine something different. This is not what I was expecting honestly, this looks more higher level than what I anticipated to be honest with you. No they did not get rid of the z variable they wouldn't do something like that.

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That at least I know

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well they transformed it to the 2d plane, so they didnt remove it but just made it 0 for all intents and purposes

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bad wording on my part

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I understand the question now much better after examining it though, I was just unsure since this was the first time I encountered the Z variable while solving for doulbe integrals

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From what I am seeing yes, but to be honest with you, everyone including myself has strengths and weaknesses in different levels of maths, but this one looks out of my reach. From what your saying though, the z would be a zero in this regards yes. because it would be a crossover. Are you sure, you don't want to extra help from someone who is an expert at this field, just to make sure your right?

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since it is 2d it wouldn't show so it would be a zero yes

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Wait did I really help you through this, for real? I appreciate you are so positive to see me as a helper, but I am curious how positive are you that you know the answer is true?

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This will determine if you really, are ready and prepared, but if you aren't as sure, you might need extra assistance you get what I mean that's why I asked.

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Getting tht extra practice to perfect yourself, that's what math is all about

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Wow I am glad, that this helped you, sometimes a lot of people overcomplicate, and overthink the problem and this happens only in math, and I have done that to where many of mistakes were in fact minor ones, like forgetting a negative number or not putting a subtraction sign in the right variable, but sometimes it can change an entire equation, so yes one has to be careful, and think through the problem and know what it's asking. Don't just jump into it so quick.

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Eitherway I am not perfect either, but I do try to help those in fields where I am familiar with, but in certain levels like these, it is different, but do you know the command to ask for a helper here just in general?

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yea I do

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which fields are you familair with btw? I see the pre-university role you have and am always interested when someone has that and is wanting to help others. specially in university math😅

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I am more familiar with geometry, more, I liked shapes more, but algebra for me can get at times, confusing with all of those numbers, but eitherway a little secret I am trying to master it myself, seeing all of these problems people do, and than seeing how the helpers explain it, is slowly making me learn everything, and that's what it's about.

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yea I get what you mean, personally I love algebra and is really my fav part of math which can get annoying when I also have to study geometry or trig or anything else 😅 Calculus is by far my favourite class even though im barely scraping by

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Oh wow, your taking calculus, that's amazing I wish you the best of luck right there that is not the easiest course in the world, so I can tell you are intelligent, please I really hope you can do well, there are always people ready to help you here, even if they aren't perfect, they really do try to help out. I took precalc I wasn't able to get to calc in high school but I would take it in the future in college.

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Yeah everyone has his stregths and weaknesses I guess.

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Yeah I am sure, I would love to think thorughly on it, and get tutoring for that, because that was a subject that apparently many people in my school struggled with, so them telling me this, was what made me bypass it, but I will definitely look and consider this absolutely for sure.

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Yea I wish you the best for that man, math is best learned at your own pace so I'd say even pick up a textbook or watch professor leonard and his series on calculus over the summer. I personally love leonard as he always explains everything in very simple terms though his videos can get long

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Hello,
Where do I put the 2? It doesn’t have an x so I don’t think I should put it underneath 5x ….

sour egret
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Hold up

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The 2 SHOULD have an x right

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Bc 3x times 2 would just be 6x

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Not 6x^2

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I got this all wrong

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Omg

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So many mistakes

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Sorry 🫣

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Okay I got it now

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Thx

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can someone helep me on how to do these type of question

neon iron
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You need to learn the trigonometric identities

fleet fossil
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can you do the 1st question as an example for me pls

neon iron
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do you know the sine rule

fleet fossil
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i know a little bit but i just do best with an example answer that shows all the work so i can figure the step out

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i dont really get it honestly

neon iron
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You can refer to this and fill in the corresponding numbers

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we cant answer them for u unfortunately

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You can probs use a calculator at this level

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The Length a is opposite to Angle A
so you put a/sinA

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ok tyty

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Hello

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fresh lance
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can I get help with this problem

vernal vale
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what did you try?

fresh lance
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ok I substituted x^2 +3 for U

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This was my attempt

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it was incorrect

vernal vale
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the substitution seems good

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i mean the choice of u

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doesnt look like you did it right, though

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whats du?

fresh lance
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dx = du/2x

vernal vale
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i dont think this is the most helpful way to write it

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how about $x \dd x = \frac{\dd u}{2}$

thorny flameBOT
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jan Niku

fresh lance
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yeah

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that is what I got

vernal vale
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okay

fresh lance
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after I canceled the x with du/2x

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x times du/2x = du/2

vernal vale
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then you should get $\int \frac{\dd u}{2} u^4$?

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jan Niku

fresh lance
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I moved the half to the side

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1/2u^4 du

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it's the same

vernal vale
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okay

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and you integrate?

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to get what

fresh lance
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ohhhh

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wait are you supposed to bring the value in for U at the end?

vernal vale
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bring the value?

fresh lance
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I integrated to 1/10u^5

vernal vale
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okay

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and undo the substitution

fresh lance
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Ohhhh so just put in x^2 + 3

vernal vale
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yea

fresh lance
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(1/10(x^2+3))^5?

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So weird

vernal vale
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,w Integrate[x(x^2+3)^4]

vernal vale
fresh lance
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Yesssssiirr let me check it rq

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Thank you very much amigo

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U r goated

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Could I get your help on one more

vernal vale
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i can try

fresh lance
vernal vale
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hmm well whatd you try?

fresh lance
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hmmmm well I tried subbing the cos(t)

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with U

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is that correct

slender edge
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why u sub

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what function, if you take the derivative of it, will give you cosine?

fresh lance
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It's review on substitution and basic integration I just assumed it tbh

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sin

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sine

slender edge
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so the antiderivative is just 2sin(t) yes

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then evaluate with ftc

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w the given bounds

fresh lance
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do i have to change the bounds in this case?

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I forget when I have to do that

slender edge
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not if you dont change the variable youre integrating with respect to

fresh lance
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ok

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so I got

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2sin(2pi) - 2sin(pi)

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0?

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I am using my mind to remember the unit circle

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I believe I am correct

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yessir

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I am

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W gura pfp

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how did you get y = alpha

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no no

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you wrote down three equations

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and then three more after a =>

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keep the steps consistent

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to stay consistent, the first three equations should be purely from reading the matrix
x - 3y = 0
z = 0
0 = 0

then its only after the => that you write down the next three equations, which should be sorted x-y-z:
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take a moment to fix your work like this and youll see where you made the mistake after this

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staying consistent lets you make this oversight and have it be a useful shortcut instead of a mistake

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you still made the mistake and asked the question, thats more than "no" difference

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you can take the suggestion or use an alternative way

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np

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can someone

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tell me

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why (iii) is wrong

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my reason is that rate increases is that as dh/dt is negative
so h decreases over time
and as h is being subtracted from 12
with more time
h will be smaller
so denominator will be greater and greater than numerator
so the value will become smaller and smaller
but as there is a negative sign
it is actually increasing
like in -8/(12-9) when h decreases it becomes for eg -8/(12-4) which is greater than -8/(12-9)
so it increases
like numerically as there is a negative sign ase value increases
but like magnitude of the value decreases
SO
mathematically which is numerically
so with more time
the rate should increase
WHY IS IT WRONG

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or is the examiner wrong

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outer portal
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Im still in the middle of working through all the details, but the reason could just be that you said "the rate will increase" when you mean "the rate will decrease to be more negative than before"

unkempt niche
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the rate will increase to be less negative then before

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which is basically it will be more positive

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so it will increase

outer portal
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oh right I was thinking of something else

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I ought to not say this until Im through

unkempt niche
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its fine

outer portal
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did you make sure that they read "this rate will increase" as "this rate will decrease less"

unkempt niche
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thats the examiners job not mine : )

outer portal
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and the examiner still marked your answer wrong, you dont think to ask?

unkempt niche
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i did

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they just said

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that

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as the rate becomes slower

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its decrease

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but literally

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numerically

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its increase

outer portal
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no bud

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thats exactly the reason

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all of this work and the end result was "they read increase/decrease differently than you did"

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cmon man

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they didnt even do -1, they did -2

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that means no credit, the examiner did not think you earned any points

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you already have an opinion on whether your answer was right or not which you can convince the examiner to fix

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but the question's been answered - its not that either of you are wrong, its that neither of you had the correct idea of what the other person wrote as an answer

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ahhhhhhhh

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help I'm quite struggling about functions 😭

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https://archive.org/details/the-cartoon-guide-to-calculus-by-gonick-larry-gonick-larry-z-lib.org/page/11/mode/2up
Check out Chapter 0 (called Meet the Functions) of Larry Gonick's "Cartoon Guide to Calculus," (free pdf you can view in browser at link) it does a good job presenting a fun intuitive understanding of how functions work. Ik you're not in calculus class but just check out that chapter at least : )

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@past lintel you will be more likely to get help by asking a more specific question than "im confused about functions" and pasting your whole homework assignment

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elfin raven
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how do you find integral of (2x+1)/(3x+1)^1/2

elfin raven
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^dx

woeful stone
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i've used the calculator before, and i got the answer eventually, but I want to see how others would approach it

fair thorn
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can u write the question again, more clearly?

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possibly in latex/desmos notation

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actually use desmos and copy the resulting ensemble of symbols here

elfin raven
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hm

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yea he's right u-subs seem to be the way to go

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no clue to be honest

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lemme try to work it out

elfin raven
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I tried using u-sub but i got lost

cursive patrol
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no that's it this integral is just u-substitution

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you want to consider something to make the square root a bit more simple to deal with

fair thorn
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hmmm

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i mean takign it directly doesn't seem to work

fair thorn
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nope nvm

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3x + 2 works as u

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just simplify the top bit to be smth like 2u - 1

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i checked using an integral calculator

elfin raven
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let me try working it out with 3x+2

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i've been using u-sub with the ^1/2 included

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can you show me your working @fair thorn ?

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I don't get this answer, can you elaborate pls

near whale
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Which part of that answer do you not understand?

elfin raven
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what would be the result of that integral?

near whale
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Well the t on the denominator would cancel with the t next to the dt

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I think you can do the rest from there

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Please don't occupy multiple help channels.

muted cobalt
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HELO

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HELP

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Closing this. You already have a channel occupied

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Isn’t this graphed wrong? I found it in the exercises of my calculus textbook.

frozen shore
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How it graphed the point at (2,3)

ruby mural
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Ig only the blue dot is the problem

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Ah, okay. Thankyou.

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i have to find an angle

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golden iron
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this is regular pentagon and regular decagon

cursive patrol
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fascinating problem

golden iron
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the answer is 36 btw but need proof

cursive thorn
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If the answer is 36, then the intersection of the 2 lines has to lie on a corner

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You can use some circle theorems on the circumcircle of the decagon for that

golden iron
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I'm trying to prove that the point is lying on the circles but I can't

cursive thorn
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What is known about the sizes of the two actually?

golden iron
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nothing

cursive thorn
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Yeah, I was just playing around on geogebra

regal forge
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@cursive thorn Jack?

cursive thorn
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?

regal forge
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?

cursive thorn
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The point of intersection of the lines seems to be the point of intersection between the two n-gons reflected in the line joining their centers

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(and the decagon can be a pentagon without changing the problem I think)

golden iron
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yeah

cursive thorn
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that's equivalent to it lying on the circumcircles though

golden iron
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yeah

cursive thorn
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Maybe you can prove it if the two circumcircles have the same size, and then argue that scaling one doesn't change the point of intersection of the lines

golden iron
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I'll try

cursive thorn
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second part might not be that easy though

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If nothing else works, then complex bash maybe (with 0 being the point of intersection between the decagon and pentagon)

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I have to go now, maybe I'll have time later if you don't solve it

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ok

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thanks

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guys

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i need help

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with division de polinomios ruffini

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how do you convert hz to radians?

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i looked it up online and it seems to be 2pi/second?

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i'm a bit confused based on the results i'm getting