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but K=0
means its just lim K\theta=KP=> 0=0, you can leave it at that
because I need to show
|KP-K\theta|->0
when did I divide K by theta
never but u put \
ok
(K\theta)
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How to go about solving this?
On 1 and -1, all of them make sense but sec and cosec don't have any values.
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How do I find the graph of f(x)=3cos2x-2?
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my name is beans — Today at 7:14 PM
Of course! Here's a unique, easy, and delicious recipe for Indian household: Mushroom Tikka.
Ingredients:
For the Marinade:
250g button mushrooms, cleaned and halved
1/2 cup thick yogurt
1 tablespoon ginger-garlic paste
1 teaspoon red chili powder
1/2 teaspoon turmeric powder
1 teaspoon garam masala
1 teaspoon cumin powder
1 teaspoon coriander powder
Salt to taste
2 tablespoons vegetable oil
For the Skewers:
Skewer sticks (wooden sticks soaked in water for 30 minutes)
Instructions:
Marinate the Mushrooms:
In a mixing bowl, combine all the marinade ingredients - yogurt, ginger-garlic paste, red chili powder, turmeric powder, garam masala, cumin powder, coriander powder, salt, and vegetable oil. Mix well.
Thread the Mushrooms:
Thread the marinated mushroom halves onto the soaked skewer sticks. Make sure to leave a little space between each mushroom for even cooking.
Grill or Bake:
You can cook the mushroom skewers in two ways:
Grill Method: Preheat your grill to medium-high heat. Place the skewers on the grill and cook for about 8-10 minutes, turning occasionally until the mushrooms are tender and have a slight char. Baste them with some oil or butter while grilling for added flavor.
Oven Method: Preheat your oven to 200°C (400°F). Place the skewers on a baking sheet and bake for about 15-20 minutes, turning them once halfway through, until the mushrooms are cooked and have a slight char.
Serve: Serve the Mushroom Tikka hot with a side of mint chutney and lemon wedges. Enjoy the flavorful and healthy snack or appetizer!
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is my answer correct?
helloguys any one tell me a cube plus b cube formula please
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My method looks like its correct to me. Can anyone correct it?
Or is the given solution wrong
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how to come up with algorithm that given room size outputs how much floor heating pipe is needed
talking about spiral format like this:
assuming for example that the pipes are 20cm from wall and there is 10cm between pipes
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Hey so im a bit confused,
So if we let Let X = {a,b, c}. Would the discrete topology just be τ = {∅, {a}, {b}, {c}, {a, b}, {a, c}, {b, c}, {a, b, c}} or would it be multiple, such as like τ = {∅,X,{a}}, τ = {∅,X,{a,b},{b},{b, c}}, τ = {∅,X,{a},{b, c}}, τ = {∅,X,{a},{b}}, etc
Would the discrete topology just be τ = {∅, {a}, {b}, {c}, {a, b}, {a, c}, {b, c}, {a, b, c}}
yes
the discrete topology is the one where everything is clopen
thanks, thought it was that, but my professor wrote it down pretty weirdly in his textbook
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what's going on here?
I'd think you have to establish some sort of pattern
customer 1 gets served by rep 1
meanwhile customer 2 appears, rep 2 takes the job
right it can be in reverse order too right?
So am i racist?
customer 3 waits until rep 1 finishes
I honestly didn't bother reading all that description above
?
indeed
you just have to worry about who served customer 1 so I think either of them works
im so confused about this
but yeah I think you can continue like that. customer 4 gets rep 2 as rep 1 is finishing the 3rd
so it can't be customer 4
hmm wait i don't get why customer 4 started later when rep 2 was already vacant all along
oh maybe they arrived late?
yeah but I think you can continue off with the rest
rep 1 helped 5
i think i did that but i missed a nuance or too
or i'm just sleep derived
*deprived
lemme see
lmaoo
funnily enough I think they just alternate between even/odd
I am pretty sure it's just 9 by the pattern
😭 it's 10
oh darn
1 - 1
2 - 2
3 - 1
4 - 2
5 - 1
6 - 2
7 - 1
8 - 2
9 - 2
10 -1
okay these exercises are just messing with our brain 😭
I see now
thanks thanks
that's the point of the thingy I see
they just want to bamboozle you by thinking it's even/odd and checking off 9
like I did 
np
😭 i think i did that too
smh i'm dumb asf
do you want this channel?
actually since you're in my channel ig i can help you
what have you done?
they can open their own channel. They can't "take over" your channel
if someone starts like spamming questions in Ur own channel just guide them to open their own
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in how many ways can 9 teachers be assigned to 3 teaching positions
so this is really about knowing whether I'm dealing with combinations or permutations
are questions like these like, ambiguous in nature?
am I expected to assume that the teachers are distinct from each other?
cause if they weren't, I assume it's akin to choosing between a set of, say, {T, T, ..., T} where that set is of cardinality 9
so it can be T, T, T, for any particular combination but that doesn't make sense?
am I misinterpreting something
It’s implied that if a teacher fills a position they have been ‘used up’
ohhh I see that's a very good way to think about it thanks
And this is a permutation problem I would say
There is a general formula but this one is small enough that you should be able to figure it out directly
it's just product rule yeah
also
just to elaborate
when we consider nCr,
are we treating the r objects as indistinguishable from each other, or the n objects as indistinguishable from each other?
I'm assuming the former?
nCr counts how many different subsets of size r there are from a set of size n
Can you see why this is not the same as your problem?
no not really
In the teacher example it’s implied that there is an order, like T1-P1, T2-P2, T3-P3 =/= T2-P1, T3-P2, T1-P3 for example, but these are the same entity in nCr
hmm i see yeah that makes sense
if we changed the wording to
in how many ways can 9 teachers be assigned to a 3 people tutoring group
Then that would be nCr yes
then it'd be combinations in that case yed
okay
I think I have rationalised this better now
so when the r positions are distinguishable from each other, we are considering permutations
when they are not, it's combinations
it also describes the equality between them
[
\map C{n,r} = \f{\map P{n,r}}{r!}
]
by dividing by r!, we are thus treating the r objects all indistinguishable from each other
Ah this is what you meant, yes in your original problem the positions are distinct in that once you pick the 3 teachers you have to consider all the permutations within the positions
Yes exactly
another example could be something like
In how Many ways can 3 people of 10 get a $1, $5, or $10 bill?
or rephrased
In how Many ways can 3 people of 10 get a $1 bill
the former, the bills are distinct from each other, so we are considering permutations
the latter, the $1 bills for all intents and purposes are indistinguishable
so it's combinations
Yeah you’ve got it
And how you explicitly count nPr is the following
How many options for $1?
How many subsequent options for $5?
How many subsequent options for $10?
And you use multiplication principle
So it is always n(n-1)…(n-r+1)
yeah
I get that now thank you
one additional thing though
The number of ways of partitioning a set of $n$ objects into $r$ subsets with $n_1$ elements in the first, $n_2$ elements in the second, and so forth: [
\binom n{n_1, n_2,\hdots, n_k} = \f{n!}{n_1!n_2! \hdots n_k!} ]
where $n_1 + \hdots + n_k = n$
how does one prove the above theorem?
what do you mean?
How many ways can I pick an n1 subset of n?
but wait
I feel like this is a bit circular isn't it
we define combinations by this same theorem (P(n,r)/r!)
so using this fact doesn't seem like it says much
nCr = n!/(r!(n-r)!)
how can that formula be independently derived without using this
In a set of n elements, if I want to pick r elements from it I have n choice for the 1st one, n-1 choices for the 2nd,… etc.
okay sure
but you're still looping back to this are you not
They are equivalent formulae
okay I don't think you're understanding my confusion here at the moment, and that's fine. I'll continue searching independently
thank you
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Hey! I'm struggling to find how to determine the coordinates on a semi circle based on a vector of which I know the direction but that doesn't cross in the center.
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<@&286206848099549185> sorry for the ping, still couldn't find something on my end. I tried to simply calculate 180 points for each degree based on origin and currently trying to find closest point when aggregating the vector position as I know its origin. For more context I'm trying to determine the coordinate of a point on the perimeter of a shape with one rectangle and 2 semi circles like such:
I already managed to determined the position on the rectangle, now when y < height/2 I'm trying to do what I described in my original question
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to me it says its still open
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yeah but its still occupied
it will still show up in the list for about five minutes
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oh I dont need to I just didnt want to hog up a channel when I had no question
hi, sorry id like to ask why is the area of triangle 1/2(4-k)(k-1) why can it not be (k-4) is k not >4?
oh sorry i didnt know how asking questions works my bad.
We can write those coordinates in form a matrix
i just need the area of T x the determinant to = 10, my issue is with finding the area of T
|k 1 1|
|4 1 1 |
|4 k 1 |
This will be the matrix
Find its determinant and divide it by 2
Then put it equal to 10
ye when you do that you get (k-4)(k-1) but the answer is (4-k)(k-1)
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I think u get (k-4)(1-k)
answer is (4-k)(k-1) tho?
ive put the answer there too
Take minus common from tje both
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alright i get how kind of but
its because the triangle has the hyptonuse on the left but i still dont get why k cant be >4
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,tex A box contains 500 envelopes, of which 50 contain $100 in cash, 150 contain $25, and 300 contain $10. An envelope may be purchased for $25. What is the sample space for the different amounts of money? Assign probabilities to the sample points and then find the probability that the first envelope purchased contains less than $100
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yo need help

maybe hard to see but the question is basically
what happens if the paranthesis of the denominator gors away
a = 12 btw
,rccw
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No matter how I solve it I get 24
How did they get 6
My guy 1 volume of cylinder = 2×volume of sphere
Not ½×volume of sphere
16pi×r²= ½ × 4/3pi×r³ means cylinder volume is half of sphere
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Is this true? And if yes, why?
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i posted here same time you did
well i clearly posted it before so ...
bruh
we posted literally same time
dont be a jerk abt it my god
i'm not you pinged me
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Is this a valid proof?
its at the top might be hard to read prove log_10 (2) is irrational
if any steps are hard to read i can clarify
..
the only thing im not sure on is after you get to 2^b = 10^a and you have to prove there are no solutions
I know its pretty obvious that all powers of 2(mod10) are 2, 4, 8, 6 and then repeating i just have to prove
ok it's easy .... like you said you have to prove that $10^{\frac{a}{b}}=2$ has no soluzion
everg
i.e. $10^a=2^b$ where a and b are integers
everg
with b not equal to zero
now LHS is divisible by 5 and RHS isn't
for a not equal to zero
this imply that a=0
so we have to solve $10^0=1=2^b$
everg
this only holds for positive a
Yeah but is what I did wrng though
to just say 2^a (mod10) can never be equal to 10^b (mod10) where a and b are natural number
true ...we can assume a>=0 because of 10^a/b=2>1
specifically the second little proof by induction
i think its true ...if you want more motivation i think you have to follow my steps
uhhh is the second part right is the only thing im not sure about
the inductive hypothesis -> step part
i feel like it mightve been too trivially easy so i mightve messed up
even for your steps if you wanted to make it complete wouldnt you have to say 10^n (mod5) is always congruent to 0
the picture again
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Is there a diffrence between (Grad dot F)f and f(F dot Grad)?
F is a field, f is a function
I think there was this thing where (F dot grad) was an operator which I dont get
F dot grad isn't it just the divergence ? d/dx1 F1+....+d/dxnFn
yeah it should be the divergence but
no grad dot F is
F dot grad is an operator which again im confused on, and not divergence so like the dot product order matters
like to try and shwo what I mean
there was some example where you had (2xi - 2yj + 2zk dot grad)xyz
dot product is commutative
hmmm, lemme come back with like a photo
the fact i dont know latex is bricking my efforts
i gotta eat something first rq
ill reopen ty so far tho
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Confirm the identity without evaluating the determinant directly
$\begin{vmatrix} a_1 + b_{1} t & a_2 + b_{2} t & a_3+ b_{3} t \
a_{1} t + b_1 & a_{2} t + b_2 & a_{3} t + b_3 \ c_1 & c_2 & c_3 \end{vmatrix} = (1-t^2) \begin{vmatrix} a_1 & a_2 & a_3 \ b_1 & b_2 & b_3 \ c_1 & c_2 & c_3 \end{vmatrix}$
Derivative
anybody know how to do this
im lost
all I know is that if we do cR_i + R_J determinant does not change
cR_i = cdet(A)
try to substitute the second row with second row-t*first row
and switch two rows, we add negative sign
then you have delited a's form second row
..now you can delete b's from first row with a similar substitution
now you would have (1+t) factor in the second row ... and you can plug out by multilinearity
ok
for now i have this
$\begin{vmatrix} a_1 + b_{1} t & a_2 + b_{2} t & a_3+ b_{3} t \
b_1 - b_1 t^2 & b_2- b_2 t^2 & b_3- b_3 t^2 \ c_1 & c_2 & c_3 \end{vmatrix} = (1-t^2) \begin{vmatrix} a_1 & a_2 & a_3 \ b_1 & b_2 & b_3 \ c_1 & c_2 & c_3 \end{vmatrix}$
Derivative
ok now you can group (1-t^2) in the second row
and then i do -tR_2 + R_1
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Trying to settle a debate, I believe a) is 6! and b) is 5! (circular permutation n-1)
My friend says a) 6! b)6!
Can anyone confirm if we're both wrong or one is wrong XD
what is your reasoning for why they are different?
b) 6! is impossible
In a circular permutation, there are (n-1)! ways to arrange n distinct objects in a circle. Is that not correct?
isn't the dinner table also a circle?
Hmmm, i suppose since its not specified i assumed not 🤔
I suppose "around" would imply even for a rectangular table its the same situation
seems so to me unless there's some subtlety
is it maybe because a circular ring can be flipped upside down
whereas a dinner table cannot
That!
That would make sense
I was trying to come up with an explanation but that hits the nail on the head
So in that case a) 6! and b) 5! still applies I assume?
yes the ring has 2 sides, it's like left right symmetry
a) 5! and b) something completely different
Oh seriously?
Damm more complex than we'd both first assumed then
Quora and mytutor seem to believe 6 people can be arranged around a circular table 120 different ways (5!)
so saying b = 5!
And that's because it can be flipped right?
I've just figured that out as you sent that XD
So table = 5! and Ring can be flipped so 5!/2
i believe so
i agree with both of those
So final answers a) 5! = 120 b) 5!/2 = 60 as the ring can be flipped whereas the table cannot
yea, unless there's something about the ring that makes upside down somehow distinguishable from rightside up
Ty for clarification on a) idk why i assumed the table was linear and not "circular"
Perfect
Thank you for your help ill probably be back XD
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everg
this is the definition of the preimage
no its the definition of $f^{-1}(A)$
everg
the... preimage of A by f
everg
so the only thing that changes is the X is swapped with M
and that's it
yes
and?
idk why it wouldn't be
Madashi
this is the proof that $N\subseteq f^{-1}(f(N))$, we've shown every element of the first set is an element of the other
rafilou2003
why "but okay"?
Back to the definition. Let $f:M\to T$. If $A\subseteq M$ and $B\subseteq T$, we define $f(A)={f(x), x\in A}$ and $f^{-1}(B) = {x\in M, f(x)\in B}$
rafilou2003
if you want to prove that $A\subset B$ you have to prove that for all $a\in A$ you get $a\in B$
everg
indeed, to prove that $N\subseteq f^{-1}(f(N))$, we prove that $n\in N \implies n\in f^{-1}(f(N))$
rafilou2003
so let $n\in N$.
rafilou2003
By definition of the image of N, $f(n)\in f(N)$.
rafilou2003
So $n$ is an element of $M$ such that $f(n)\in f(N)$
rafilou2003
So by definition of the preimage of $f(N)$, $n\in f^{-1}(f(N))$
rafilou2003
take a constant function
like f(x) = 1 on R
f({0}) = {1}
but the preimage of {1} is...
is 0 the only element such that f(x) = 1?
(remember that f is constant)
$f:\begin{cases}\bR\to\bR \ x\longmapsto 1\end{cases}$
rafilou2003
$f(x) = 1$ for all $x\in \bR$
rafilou2003
what is $f^{-1}({1})$?
rafilou2003
if you're hesitating, go back to the definition of the preimage
so write the definition of the preimage applied to $f^{-1}({1})$
rafilou2003
yes, so f(x) = ?
no, f(x) is a number
yes
and what are the x that verify f(x) = 1?
if you go back to the definition of f
?
You know what $\bR$ means right?
rafilou2003
ok
so when I write this, can you tell me which x verify f(x) = 1?
every real number yes
so $f^{-1}({1}) = ?$
rafilou2003
It's not a number, it's a set
it's the set of all numbers that verify f(x) = 1
So it's which set?
Thank you
$f^{-1}({1}) = \bR$
rafilou2003
And $f({0}) = ?$
rafilou2003
we defined f RIGHT here
so f(0) = ?
yes thank you
So what's the set $f({0}) = ?$
rafilou2003
yes
so now, using this
rafilou2003
rafilou2003
and this : $f^{-1}(f({0}))$
rafilou2003
rafilou2003
good night...you have a great patience
You tell me, we've literally found $f^{-1}(f({0}))$ two seconds ago
rafilou2003
Is ${0} = f^{-1}(f({0}))?$
rafilou2003
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Is my logic correct that because Ammeter almost has no resistance, and because it's connected in parallel, all the currrent will choose to move through the circuit with the ammeter isntead of the 4 ohm resistance?
yep
neat
so
1 is zero because no current will flow ther
2 is gonna just be the voltage divided by the internal resistance so 5A
how would i find the terminal voltage in this case?
like, i was told to find the overall current in the circuit and then multiply it by the resistance not including the internal resistance of the battery....
so in this case would it be 0?
i don't actually know but logically, you;re given 2 ohm as internal battery resistance
so voltage would come from multiplying current by 2 ohm or something similar
4 is just 1.67 bc 10V/6 ohm
damn ok, everything else look right tho?
like, i was told to find the overall current in the circuit and then multiply it by the resistance not including the internal resistance of the battery....
oh so you do that
yeah so like, if the ammeter was connected properly, or if it was just gone. then it'd be like, 10V / 6 Ohm = 1.67 so thats the overall current. And 1.67 x 4 = 6.68 V so that's the terminal voltage
but like
the resistance in the circuit is just, 2 ohm cuz we ignore the 4ohm resistor, so current is 5A
but then, is it just gonna be 5 x 0?
probably
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i need very general help on series and sequences
ive watched many videos but i feel like im missing something big but im not sure what im missing
so when ive done 30 for example, i took the limit of the sequences and got 7, and because the limit was 7 that means the series diverges
ok, but what if, like in 31, the limit of the sequence coverges to 0
that means the series converges right
but to what value??
in the videos ive seen they just tell you that it "converges" or "diverges" but how do i figure out to what value?
not necessarily. the sequence 1/n converges to 0 but the harmonic series (sum of 1/n) famously doesn't converge
oh?
also, for many series it's easy to find out what the series converges to but not to find its value
generally any series that converges must have its sequence converge to 0, but not all sequences that converge to 0 have a convergent series
in this case though, 31 is a geometric series so we can find its value with the geometric series formula
stupid question, but if i take the limit of a sequence and get a number (like not infinity) does that mean it converges
yes, that's the definition of a convergent sequence
bet ok
a/(1-r) i remember thatt
unless we have some special case like a geometric or telescoping series, we generally can't get an exact value for a convergent series. We can estimate it by taking a finite partial sum and finding a bound on the error, though
careful. the geometric sum formula applies for k= 0 -> infinity, but we have a sum from k = 1 -> infinity
it's fine because we can just subtract the 0th term from our answer, but something to keep in mind
no you got it right the first time
oh wait the 0th term of the series not the sequence
that's the same thing, but the 0th term is 3 * 1, not 1
could i possibly leave this open for a sec cuz i might have a question on the next problem
i get that a lot 💀
is 32 geometric even though it doesnt go up at all
it converges at 1/2 so the series diverges so i guess it doesnt matter (?)
yes. in general geometric series converge (and the formula applies) for |r| < 1
sorry one last question
for 32 the formula wouldn't work because 1/0 right, is that how you (with numbers?) know it diverges?
geometric series converge for |r| < 1 (strictly less than 1), so with r = 1, the series diverges. the divergence test (sequence doesn't converge to 0) also tells us it must diverge
WHEN R <1
yes
of course
im gonna take a break
im obviously too tired lol
thank you for the help
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“One interpretation of a baseball players batting average is as the empirical probability of getting a hit each time the player goes to bat.
If a player with a batting average of 0.204, bats 5 times in a game, and each at-bat is an independent event, what is the probability of the player getting at least one hit in the game?”
i dont know how im supposed to interpret these kinds of questions
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I don't understand question b) at all
the second image answer
so you have to close that vertical gap
if you subtract k
the parabola will move down k units
what does the two solutions part mean
you need the vertex to go below the x axis
after which, you have two roots
does that make sense?
like the vertex is below the x axis
so it crosses the axis, goes below, comes back up, crosses again
roots to f(x) are solutions to f(x)=0
if k is one
you have x^2 -4x +5 -1
or x^2-4x+4
or (x-2)^2
which just barely touches the axis
idk does this help 
so how would it work in this case
so how would i asnwer a)
think of setting k like moving a horizontal line instead if it helps
where do you have to put a horizontal line on that plot to only cross f(x) one time
if its bigger than 2 or less than -2?
yea
you can think of this too like moving the function up or down by subtracting k
or as placing a line if its easier
ahh i see, is question b asking where the horizontal line can go to hit f(x) twice?
yes
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So like this then
and so then now i just need to figure out why the first line is true
probably has somethign to do with the definition of the abs sign and the partial derivative
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Well the module of the product is the product of the modules
$|ax^n\partial^\alpha\varphi(x)| = |a| |x|^n |\partial^\alpha\varphi(x)|$
rafilou2003
Then we use that $|\partial^\alpha\varphi(x)| \leq$ ...
rafilou2003
well i mean it just asserts this statement without proof
im guessing you can arrive to the above from this definition of what's in S?
so it'd be all the phi's in C^inf such that this finite
for all alpha and betas in Z+
Basically the intuition is to say that $p_{\alpha,\beta}(\varphi) = \max(\sup_{x\in \bR^n, |x|<1}|...|,\sup_{x\in\bR^n,|x|\geq 1}|...|)$
rafilou2003
We apply the fact that this quantity is finite to $\alpha = (d+1,...,d+1)$
rafilou2003
We let $C_{d,\beta} = \max(p_{\alpha,\beta}(\varphi),2^d\sup_{|x|<1}|\partial^\beta\varphi(x)|)$
ok let me digest this
Not easy to make the proof on the spot xd
it looks to me like random symbols everywhere
But this should work because for |x|<1, we use the term on the right
And for |x|>=1, we use the term on the left
what is this 1 + √n doing
To take into account the (1+|x|²)^(d/2)
Which can go up to 2^d on the unit ball
Wait no i'm dumm
rafilou2003
And edited this
ok hold up
where does the other side of this inequality even come from
like im hold (\partial^\alpha \varphi(x)) in my hand now what
Frosst
Don't get me wrong it would have been simpler if the denominator were |x|^d
It's important because around x=0 this upper bound is useless
ah
that's true too
it'd just say it's bounded by infinity ish
ok but that's besides the point
where did the ≤ sign come from
in here
this one
Yes we start with this one
aha
When |x|>=1 we use this supremum
ok i think im folloiwng give me a moment
what does this line mean
what does it mean it's finite to alpha
It's not "finite to alpha"
It's "for alpha =..., the quantity p_alpha,beta is finite"
well p_alpha,beta is finite for all alpha betas in Z+
otherwise we would not consider the phi's
right?
ok so from $p_{\alpha,\beta}(\varphi) = \max(\sup_{x\in \bR^n, |x|<1}|x^\alpha\partial^\beta\varphi(x)|,\sup_{x\in\bR^n,|x|\geq 1}|x^\alpha\partial^\beta\varphi(x)|)$
Frosst
we choose alpha = (d+1, d+1, ..., d+1)
Keep that in mind for the moment
Ok i found something
well the first one is always smaller than the second one isn't it?
You will need to prove the following intermediate result :
Talking about this ?
yeah
Well yeah there's an equality
if |x| < 1 then each of the components of x mustn't be greater than 1
then when i take it to the alphath power
they should all remain under 1
when i multiply all them together
i still get something less than 1
so in the max function you never pick the left side
?
well here we want to pick hte left or right option for the max
wouldn't the left side always be smaller than the right side
since that x^alpha term at the front is always < 1 for all x that satisfies |x| < 1
First, when alpha = 0 this is not true, and second of all, phi might decrease faster than x^alpha
well when alpha = 0 it doens't matter what you pick
Well it does
and they both have phi so the rest would still be the same no?
Take $\varphi(x) = e^{-x^2}$
rafilou2003
The maximum is in (0,0,...,0)
that's what you mean
Yeah so left one bigger than right one
if phi decreases quickly then a small |x| is better
cos phi of that x
would also be bigger
right i see
Ok so intermediate result
If $\varphi \in \mathcal{S}$, then $\forall d\in \bZ_+, \forall \alpha\in \bZ_+^n$, $p_{d,\alpha}^*(\varphi) = \sup_{x\in \bR^n}(|x|^d|\partial^\alpha\varphi(x)|)<+\infty$
rafilou2003
ok that's just saying my thing is finite?
Proof: apply the definition to the exponent (d,0,...,0), then to (0,d,0,...,0), etc...
my p is finite?
I'm saying this new p* is finite yes
is (|x|^d=\left(|x|^d\right)^n)?
Frosst
No, one of them is |x|^d, the other is |x|^(dn)
is that not the same
?
oh
is 2^2 the same as 2^(2n)?
i have d here as 1 number not the vector
yes
Frosst
oh it is
|x| is the norm of x, so it's a non-negative real number
so you're saying that x^vec d = |x|^d
read again
that looks pretty true, just from the definition of p and using only 1 dimension of the possible ones for your d
like if i just chose vec d in Z+^n to be (d, 0, 0, ...)
then sure x^vec d = x^d * 1 * 1 * 1 ...
$x^{\vec d} = x_1^d \cdot ... \cdot x_n^0 = x_1^d$
Oops sorry
rafilou2003
yes
and if i take sup of this for all x
then i get whichever x has the biggest whatever component
to the power of d
with abs in front
but the sup is later it's outside
So for $k\in {1,...,n}, \sup_{x\in \bR^n}(|x_k|^d|\partial^\alpha\varphi(x)|)<+\infty$
rafilou2003
so (\vec x = (x_1, x_2, ..., x_n), |\vec x|^d = \left(\sum_{i=1}^n x_i^2\right)^{d/2})
Frosst
yes
But we will do something similar
ok sure
We just proved that $\max_{k\in {1,...,n}}\sup_{x\in \bR^n}(|x_k|^d|\partial^\alpha\varphi(x)|)<+\infty$
rafilou2003
so we have $\sup_{x\in \bR^n}\max_{k\in {1,...,n}}(|x_k|^d|\partial^\alpha\varphi(x)|)<+\infty$
rafilou2003
So this means that, given the infinite norm of a vector :
And vice versa, it's the vice versa we will use
From this, $\sup_{x\in \bR^n}(|x|_\infty^d|\partial^\alpha\varphi(x)|)<+\infty$
rafilou2003
sure thing
so, since infinite norm and 2 norm are equivalent
equivalent?
$|x|_\infty \leq C\cdot |x|$
rafilou2003
with C a constant that doesn't depend on x
And so from this
$\sup_{x\in \bR^n}(|x|^d|\partial^\alpha\varphi(x)|)<+\infty$
rafilou2003
the constant doesn't depend on x?
ah i see what you mean
the inf norm is less than 2 norm always
or equal
at best
yes
where'd inf go
rafilou2003
wouldn't that depend on x
i think i see it
the biggest |x| can get relative to ||x||_inf is if x was evenly spread
in which case you'd get (||x||_2 = \sqrt{nx_1^2})
Frosst
yes
so with this
so we first note that $\sup_{x\in \bR^n}(||x||_{\infty}^d|\partial^\alpha\varphi(x)|)<+\infty$
Frosst
then we use this
to get $\sup_{x\in \bR^n}(|x|^d|\partial^\alpha\varphi(x)|)<+\infty$
Frosst
yes
and we know this is true because the inf norm of x is < inf
because x is a finitely large vector
or rather the biggest component of x still is only finitely big
sure ok
this is true because of the previous steps
we use that phi is in the schwartz space
which leads to this by choosing the correct vec d
so this*
so then we can swap sup and max easily
sure
and then back to where we were
I'll repost this important intermediate result here:
If $\varphi \in \mathcal{S}$, then $\forall d\in \bZ_+, \forall \alpha\in \bZ_+^n$, $p_{d,\alpha}^*(\varphi) = \sup_{x\in \bR^n}(|x|^d|\partial^\alpha\varphi(x)|)$ is finite
rafilou2003
ok this is true
So in reality
like this?
Frosst
ok let's pretend it was ^
of course you need to use it according to d and |x|^d instead
$p_{d,\alpha}^*(\varphi) = \max(\sup_{x\in \bR^n, |x|<1}(|x|^d|\partial^\alpha\varphi(x)|),\sup_{x\in\bR^n,|x|\geq 1}(|x|^d|\partial^\alpha\varphi(x)|))$
sure
rafilou2003
So
Since $\partial^\alpha\varphi$ is continuous on the compact set $\overline{B(0,1)}$, then we can find a constant $C$ such that $\forall x\in \bR^n, |x| < 1$, $|\partial^\alpha\varphi(x)| < C$
rafilou2003
But $(1+|x|^2)^{d/2} \leq 2^{d/2}$
yes
ok
this is still true (in the 1 radius ball at 0)
indeed
1 is indeed less than 2^d
we have at most 2 inside
so √2^d
which is less than 2^d
great
yes
oh right 2^d/2 mb
rafilou2003
wait we had |x| < 1 not |x| <= 1
So $1\leq \frac{2^{d/2}}{(1+|x|^2)^{d/2}}$
how did this happen
rafilou2003
I mean can be as close to 1 as we want
yes
Let's keep the inequalities large so we don't get mixed up
if |x| < 1, then |x| <=1 and we apply the same thing
So $C\leq \frac{2^{d/2}C}{(1+|x|^2)^{d/2}}$
rafilou2003
Let's do one better
that's also true
$\forall x\in \bR^n, |x| < 1$, $|\partial^\alpha\varphi(x)| \leq \frac{2^{d/2}C}{(1+|x|^2)^{d/2}}$
rafilou2003
do we now choose this cool C
yes soon
so this is our first part of the "cool" C
here you just used
Yes
ok good
So now we can define our cool C, we'll "C" if it works
ha ha!
$C_{d,\alpha} = \max(p^*{d,\alpha}(\varphi),2^{d/2}\sup{|x|<1}|\partial^\alpha\varphi(x)|)$
rafilou2003
woah
that looks wrong
the p* is already using |x| < 1
why is the other one also < 1
?
shouldn't the other one take care of the case when |x| > 1
since the p* is the one we choose for when |x| < 1?
the one on the right takes care of the case |x| < 1 as we just saw
We took C = sup for |x| < 1 of...
no wait