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lean otter
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so for example, the bottom triangle has base 8 and height 6

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(or base 6 height 8 if you look at it the other way)

cinder breach
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It says "draw a net" is it like this? This was solved in note book but I couldn't understand

lean otter
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all four faces would be triangles, so a net of a pyramid would look something like this

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but for your example, you need to make sure the right angles are in the right place

cinder breach
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Ah

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If let's say I needed to find height and only have volume and base how would I get it?

lean otter
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Look at the 2nd formula on your sheet

cinder breach
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I want height tho

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Not volume

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I have some more Qs on how to do btw

lean otter
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but you have volume, and base area

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so you can rearrange to get height

cinder breach
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What's volume

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😐

cinder breach
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I forgot everything

lean otter
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you said you have volume and base from height

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volume is how big something is in 3D

cinder breach
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Ah

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How do I rearange them to be height

lean otter
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$V=\frac{1}{3}Ah$, divide both sides by $A$ to get $\frac{V}{A}=\frac{1}{3}h$ then multiply by 3 to get $h=\frac{3V}{A}$

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cinder breach
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Ok

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Yk how I could solve this?

lean otter
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,rotate

flat frigateBOT
lean otter
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you can use the forth equation on your sheet to get the surface area of a cone

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note that diameter=radius*2

cinder breach
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Oo

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It's pretty confusing a b c ngl lol

lean otter
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yeah

cinder breach
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Ok this is confusing I can't lmao brain fried

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It's gonna be such a pain in the ass to memorise all those shit

safe radishBOT
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@cinder breach Has your question been resolved?

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tender mountain
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when factoring large expressions like $x^2+3x^2-1x+1x^2$ would you simplify it to be smaller to be able to use strategies that require 4 numbers?

flat frigateBOT
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kangaroo rat

limber smelt
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strategies that require 4 numbers??

tender mountain
limber smelt
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no I mean what does 4 numbers mean ?

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so it has 4 solutions?

tender mountain
flat frigateBOT
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kangaroo rat

limber smelt
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oh I think I get what you mean.

tender mountain
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yes

limber smelt
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0x^4+0x^3+5x^2-x

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is that what you mean?

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4 numbers?

tender mountain
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$0x^4+0x^3+5x^2-x$

flat frigateBOT
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kangaroo rat

tender mountain
tender mountain
limber smelt
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is that what you mean by "4 number"?

tender mountain
limber smelt
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okay, it's called "terms"

tender mountain
tender mountain
limber smelt
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erm

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$0x^3+5x^2-x+0$

flat frigateBOT
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張嘉棋

limber smelt
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4 terms

tender mountain
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you know with factoring strategys?

limber smelt
tender mountain
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there are like not ones with 8 terms allowed?

limber smelt
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please be clearer in what you are trying to ask help with

tender mountain
limber smelt
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sure there is

tender mountain
tender mountain
limber smelt
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there are some tricks to help solve it

safe radishBOT
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@tender mountain Has your question been resolved?

tender mountain
limber smelt
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can you tell me what equation you have there?

tender mountain
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so can you help

limber smelt
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and I am teaching

tender mountain
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yes

limber smelt
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so can you tell me what type of equation you have there?

tender mountain
limber smelt
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a quadratic

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yes

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and we want 4 solutions

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what does does that tell us?

tender mountain
limber smelt
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you said we want 4 numbers.

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so are we solving a quadratic or a quartic?

tender mountain
limber smelt
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what?

tender mountain
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quadratic

limber smelt
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in that case only two solutions can arise from this.

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do you know the method

tender mountain
limber smelt
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then what does x equals?

tender mountain
limber smelt
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but you told me you know the method.

wise shell
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You should add the 1x ^2

tender mountain
wise shell
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Then have x^2 + 4x^2-1x

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Then 5x^2 - x

limber smelt
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oh was his problem simplifying?

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he sure didn't seem to have asked that

wise shell
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Factor out an x, and get it x(x-1)

limber smelt
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where the 5 go?

wise shell
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My bad

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x(5x-1)

limber smelt
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👍

tender mountain
# limber smelt oh was his problem simplifying?

My question is one of the methods I know of factoring can only be done when there are 4 terms. If there were 5 terms could I make the 5 terms 4 terms to do it in the method I know. If so can you tell me how to simplify it?

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@limber smelt

tender mountain
limber smelt
tender mountain
limber smelt
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give me a polynomial with 5 terms in it

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and we will work through it

tender mountain
flat frigateBOT
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kangaroo rat

tender mountain
limber smelt
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that is not a polynomial.

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erm

tender mountain
tender mountain
limber smelt
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a polynomial is like this

tender mountain
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so can you write one?

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@limber smelt

limber smelt
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bruh the picture is literally an example \

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stop pinging alot

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thnx

tender mountain
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sry

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Im just in a bit of a rush

tender mountain
limber smelt
tender mountain
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i just gtg soon

limber smelt
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hm

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how long you got?

tender mountain
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15 minutes

limber smelt
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sorry, I don't think I can teach it in that time.

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but pls watch this video when you find the time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJNi8kZ-SHU

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tender mountain
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how is 25 minutes?

limber smelt
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the video is literally the way I would do it so.

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if there are questions after, then feel free to ask

tender mountain
limber smelt
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pretty much for a quartic

tender mountain
tender mountain
tender mountain
limber smelt
tender mountain
limber smelt
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what? NO

tender mountain
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oh

tender mountain
limber smelt
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I don't get what you mean by 4 terms

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4 terms as in the solution

tender mountain
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as in the question/equation

limber smelt
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if it's a QUADRATIC, then you can't simplify into 4 terms

tender mountain
tender mountain
limber smelt
tender mountain
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what types of polynomials can be simplified to 4 then?

limber smelt
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I seriously don't get what you mean by 4?

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you have to explain what you have already done

tender mountain
limber smelt
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go on

tender mountain
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what do you want me to say

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do you still not understand what I mean by 4?

limber smelt
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no

tender mountain
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then what do you want me to say

limber smelt
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factorising? 4 numbers?

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you just simplify and factorise

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I don't get what's the problem with 4 numbers?

tender mountain
limber smelt
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explain your strategy

tender mountain
tender mountain
# limber smelt explain your strategy

$1x^2+7x+12$. 12 the last term in the equation and 1 the first coefficient. Multiply them to get 12 factors of 12 that add up to 7 the middle terms coefficient 3x4=12, 3+4=7 the answer is (x+3) (x+4).

flat frigateBOT
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kangaroo rat

limber smelt
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yh

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you factorised it

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what else are you stuck on?

tender mountain
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so that is 3 terms the equation has three terms how do you do that with something with 4 or 5 terms do you simplify it to 3 terms or what?

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@limber smelt

limber smelt
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if you want 4or 5 then the rest is just 0

tender mountain
limber smelt
tender mountain
limber smelt
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it is possible/

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just extra steps

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just use the youtube video

tender mountain
limber smelt
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yh with steps before it.

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like the youtube video

tender mountain
limber smelt
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just try it/

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he is a great teacher.

tender mountain
tender mountain
limber smelt
tender mountain
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so do you know a name?

limber smelt
tender mountain
limber smelt
tender mountain
limber smelt
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oh my bad

tender mountain
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so what?

tender mountain
limber smelt
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i fixed it now

tender mountain
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ok

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thanks

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ty

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bye!

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lean otter
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lean otter
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Hey hey, I need help with this two questions. I have previously tried to do them like I tried to do tan (75) = tan (45+30)

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And use the formula tan x + tan y / 1 - (tan x) (tan y)

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lean otter
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plucky elk
flat frigateBOT
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riemann

lean otter
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Based on the questions what quadrants are they specifically referring to?

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Fawkes

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Wha-

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.reopen

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Why did you delete

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I clicked 3rd reaction one to remove LaTeX code ._.

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lean otter
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If $\dfrac{\tan(\theta+\alpha)}{a} = \dfrac{\tan(\theta+\beta)}{b} = \dfrac{\tan(\theta+\gamma)}{c}$

Show that,

$\dfrac{a+b}{a-b}\cdot \sin^2(\alpha-\beta) + \dfrac{b+c}{b-c}\cdot \sin^2(\beta-\gamma) + \dfrac{c+a}{c-a}\cdot \sin^2(\gamma-\alpha)=0$

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Fawkes

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@lean otter Has your question been resolved?

lean otter
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<@&286206848099549185>

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Sed

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trim trench
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what have you done or what are you stuck on

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lean otter
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plucky elk
hexed night
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@lean otter is using complex representations of trigonometric functions allowed in the solution?

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Have you been taught that yet?

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It's easy to solve using that approach

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hexed night
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No I mean complex number representations of trig functions

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Like Euler's formula

pastel abyss
hexed night
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Exactly

safe radishBOT
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@lean otter Has your question been resolved?

lean otter
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I only know some trig. Funcs and identities

glass sonnet
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@hexed night what exactly are you stuck on

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oh wait @lean otter is the one who needs help

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my bad

lean otter
glass sonnet
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have you tried splitting using compound angles?

lean otter
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Yep

trim trench
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ig

glass sonnet
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what did you get?

lean otter
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Result was that my brain burst out in the middle

glass sonnet
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can you show your working?

lean otter
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According to me... I am breaking the whole proving part into 3 parts

flat frigateBOT
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Fawkes

lean otter
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And in the similar question which i solved( not exactly same, question is different) i agot a relation between tan(A+B)/tan=(A-B) = sin(A+B)/sin(A-B) and in this i am now more confused

glass sonnet
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why don't you first just start with tan(theta + alpha)/a

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try expand that on its own first

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solemn drum
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how to do this?

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the quickest way

vast obsidian
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Hint: 77=7*11 🤯

solemn drum
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umm

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OH

strong grove
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Then some things will cancel out from numerator and denominator. After that you can do trial and error, test the choices

solemn drum
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390

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right only 26 is divisible

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ty

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pine tulip
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I got A as the answer, can someone please confirm?

pine tulip
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😢

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ill send what i did

tribal grail
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it's B actually

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I don't know how paradox got B

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Ignore the thing at the top

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I was doing a diff problem before

pine tulip
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,rotate

flat frigateBOT
pine tulip
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this is what i did

tribal grail
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Yeah

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your solution is correct

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How did u read A from that tho

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You need to find the group of solutions

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for which

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the both equations are correct

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not only 1

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and both are only correct where their groups of solutions

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intersect

pine tulip
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i see, i thought that x<=-2

tribal grail
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oh nvm

pine tulip
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was equal to what is written on solution A

tribal grail
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u graph isn't correct

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in the 1st place

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Do you now how to solve for this?

pine tulip
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I thought so

tribal grail
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$x^2-4$

flat frigateBOT
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Frojodo

pine tulip
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yeah is x=2 or -2

tribal grail
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wait

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$x^2-4<0$

flat frigateBOT
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Frojodo

tribal grail
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do u know how to solve for this*

pine tulip
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x<2 or x<-2

tribal grail
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incorrect

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just think about it

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plug in

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-3

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in x

pine tulip
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then x<-2 becomes false

tribal grail
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wym

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wait

pine tulip
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if x=-3

tribal grail
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yeah

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so the solution clearly isn't

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x<2 and x<-2

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what do u think u got wrong?

pine tulip
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Honestly, i can try guessing, but how i did the problem is how i was thought at school here in italy lol

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maybe i should have wrote x>-2? i have no idea

tribal grail
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nono u weren't taught that way

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many students mess it up

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and it's very common

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I even thought it was the same way you think it is rn

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when I was first learning it

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let me explain

pine tulip
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i see

tribal grail
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$x^2-4$

flat frigateBOT
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Frojodo

tribal grail
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is the same as

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$(x-2)*(x+2)$

flat frigateBOT
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Frojodo

pine tulip
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yes

tribal grail
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so you need to find for this

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$(x-2)*(x+2)<0$

flat frigateBOT
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Frojodo

tribal grail
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does it make more sense now?

pine tulip
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Isnt it the same as before?

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like from x-2=0

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we get x=2

tribal grail
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yes

pine tulip
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from x-2<0, we get x<2

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i just have to move the 2

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and change its sign

tribal grail
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but what is the requirement for this to be smaller than 0

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here I'll help you out a bit

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one of those 2 brackets

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have to be negative

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and the other has to be positive

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if both are negative or positive

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their end result will be >0

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you need to find the group of numbers

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for which one of the brackets

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is negative

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and the other is positive

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the solutions is

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X is the element of (-2,2)

pine tulip
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so you mean that -2<x<+2

tribal grail
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yes

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let's try a few more problems!

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$x^2-16>0$

flat frigateBOT
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Frojodo

pine tulip
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so the correct way to draw it would be like this

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correct?

pine tulip
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i see

tribal grail
pine tulip
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-4<x<+4

tribal grail
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r u sure?

pine tulip
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ups you are right

tribal grail
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how can you look at this problem?

pine tulip
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(x-4)(x+4)>0

tribal grail
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so

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what are the requirements for those

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to be bigger than 0

pine tulip
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so they have to be both x>4 and x>-4

tribal grail
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if x>-4

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then let's take a random number

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that's higher than

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-4

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-2

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per say

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that would be

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(-2-4)*(-2+4)

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that's

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-6*2

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-12

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-12 is not bigger than 0

pine tulip
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Okay, so just like before the number has to be -4>x>+4

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right?

tribal grail
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no

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I'll tell u the solution so u can maybe visualize it better

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the solution is

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X is the element of (-infinty,-4) U (4, +infinity)

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or X is the element of R/(-4,4)

pine tulip
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So its x<-4 and x>+4

tribal grail
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yes!

pine tulip
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Okay now i understand

tribal grail
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that's great!

pine tulip
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I have another question if you dont mind

tribal grail
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shoot

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I'll tell u if I know

pine tulip
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Lets say that a disequation is something like this (-x^2+3x+2)/(x-4)>0

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on the denominator we will have x>4

tribal grail
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what do u think u need to find then!

pine tulip
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but on the nominator we will have to change > to <

tribal grail
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$((2x+2)/(x-4))>0$

flat frigateBOT
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Frojodo

pine tulip
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my bad

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i meant to write an example where you had to change the "direction" of >/< symbol

tribal grail
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$(-x^2+3x+2)/(x-4)>0$

flat frigateBOT
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Frojodo

tribal grail
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do you know how to solve a quadratic equation?

pine tulip
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yes

tribal grail
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okay

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le'ts solve -x^2+3x+2

pine tulip
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(x-2)(x-1)<0

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wait

tribal grail
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I don't think so?

pine tulip
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im wrong

tribal grail
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wait

pine tulip
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lets put +3x or +2 with minus instead of +

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so we can put the equation on that form

tribal grail
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nono

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just apply the formula

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like this

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it's completely doable

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and simple

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it's just

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(-3+-sqrt of 9+16)/-2

pine tulip
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yes

tribal grail
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(-3+-5)/-2

pine tulip
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i wanted to make a simpler example

tribal grail
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which is

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-1 or 4

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how do you write -1 and 4

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as 0s

pine tulip
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Wait, so you didnt change the sign of -x^2 before doing this right?

tribal grail
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yes

pine tulip
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okay, so we are left with x<-1 and x>4

tribal grail
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or are we

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don't jump to conclusions!

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let's write the brackets that make up the quadratic first

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(x+1)(x-4)>0

tribal grail
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nice!

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now what do we have in the denominator

pine tulip
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x-4

tribal grail
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now we need to see

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when the top of the division line

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and the bottom of the divison line

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or rather

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the numerator and the denominator

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have the same

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sign

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  • or -
pine tulip
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they do

tribal grail
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but when

pine tulip
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now they do have the same sign

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(x+1)(x-4)/(x-4)>0

tribal grail
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nonono

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when do they have th same sign

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for an example they won't have the same sign

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for the value of -2

pine tulip
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ah you meant for which values of x

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we would have different signs

tribal grail
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yes!

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btw if you would like to vc

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so I can explain it better

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I'm down for that too

pine tulip
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I can only listen tho

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is that fine?

tribal grail
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good enough

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x<-1 U x>4

pine tulip
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Okay i feel like i finally understood what you meant with all this

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thanks 🙂

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no problem!

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I got all 4 answers on this grid wrong

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I'm confused why though

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this is the graph of its derivative not the graph of f(x)

hollow torrent
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so how do i find the info of f(x)

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write those statements in terms of f'(x), for example, if f has a relative min at x, then f'(x)=0 and f' should be negative just before x and positive just after x

hollow torrent
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ok so i get how to do the first 3

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i dont get the 4th thpough

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if the graph is concave up, that means that f'(x) is increasing, hence, f''(x)>0

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Please explain me 2.33.

tame charm
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What is the random variable described in 2.3

tame charm
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What

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That doesn’t make sense

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Where did they get the 1/4 and 3/4 stuff?

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Is that what you’re asking?

lean otter
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Also 0 and 1.

tame charm
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Maybe it’s a typo

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Did they give an example of a random variable before this section?

lean otter
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Yes, let me share that with you.

tame charm
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Ok there’s the random variable from 2.3

tame charm
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Ah i understand

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There’s a 1/4 probability that X is between 0 and 1, i.e. (T, T)

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There’s a 3/4 probability that X is between 0 and 2, ie (T,T),(H,T),(T,H)

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Are you following

lean otter
tame charm
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Do you know what X is

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It’s a function that takes in a flipping of coins, eg (H, T), and spits out how many Heads there are

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Basically it counts how many heads you flipped

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Following?

lean otter
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Yes 🙂

tame charm
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Ok cool

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When you flip a coin twice, there are only 4 possible outcomes

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TT, HT, TH, and HH

lean otter
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Yes

tame charm
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So the probability of X (the number of heads) being 0 is 1/4

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And the probability of X being 1 is 2/4

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And P(X = 2) = 1/4

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Still got it?

lean otter
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Yes 🙂

tame charm
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so we can create a function that associates each outcome of X with its associated probability

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This is called a probability distribution

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So our probability distribution would look like
P(0) = 1/4
P(1) = 1/2
P(2) = 1/4

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A cumulative distribution function associated each outcome of X with the probability that X is at most that value

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For our example, it would be like F(x) is the probability that the number of heads is at most x, ie
F(0) = P(0) = 1/4
F(1) = P(0) + P(1) = 1/4 + 1/2 = 3/4
F(2) = P(0) + P(1) + P(2) = 1

lean otter
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Ohh. Gotcha 👍

tame charm
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If you’re familiar with calculus, it is simply the integral of the probability distribution

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But yeah that’s that

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I see 😀

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hello

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Hello i am doing some summer practice to make sure im ready for calculus next year i was wondering if my answers are correct as the guide says im wrong and idk what i did wrong

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so the questions and answers i have are as followed and i think the guide says im all wrong on them so please le me know if my thinking is incorrect
lim x -> -5^- / f(x) =-9
lim x -> -5^+ / f(x) =-6
lim x -> -5^ / f(x) = undef
f(x) = -6

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pliant zephyr
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the "/" is a seperator between question and answer sorry

lean otter
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Oh

pliant zephyr
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sorry

lean otter
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lim x -> -5^-
But then this just doesn't make sense

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I think it's the limit of -5 from the left

pliant zephyr
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its like limit of x as it approaches -5 from the left

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Oh

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...So, what's the question?

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Oh

pliant zephyr
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am i right cause it says im wrong and i dont understand how i could be if i am

lean otter
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The limit as x approaches 5 from the left of f(x) is -9?

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Is that what you're saying?

pliant zephyr
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cause unl;ess i got the directions of the approaching left and right wrong idk how its wrong

lean otter
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If it's approaching from the left, it can't be -9

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Perhaps you mixed up left and right

pliant zephyr
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would it be -6 then?

lean otter
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But approaching from the left, that would be -6

pliant zephyr
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yeah i mixed them up

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i thought it ment like going lower in value for going left

lean otter
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Yeah, you thought it meant going to the left, didn't you?

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But nah

pliant zephyr
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yeah

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would lim as it approaches -5 it would be undefined since theres a jump

lean otter
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I'm actually not sure about this one

pliant zephyr
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for sure and then i have a question about constants in a piecewise function if you could help

lean otter
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Sure

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I would like to say it's like limx->0(1/x), but 1/0 is undefined, unlike f(-5)

pliant zephyr
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yeah i get you

lean otter
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Well, I really just don't know. If your guide says it's wrong, then it's probably -6

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But that's only a guess

pliant zephyr
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bet thanks

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so my constant question you have to solve for "a" to make the graph constant but when i solve it it cancels out so idk what to do

nova creek
pliant zephyr
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-2x^2-x-4a as x < -4
ax-3 as x > -4

pliant zephyr
pliant zephyr
lean otter
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That's just a function

pliant zephyr
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so they want me get a constant "a" to make the two functions continous as they are apart of a piecewise function but when i try to solve for "a" the equations just cancel out

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cause i get

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-2(-4)^2+4-4a = -4a-3

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so the -4a cancels

lean otter
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Uhm

pastel abyss
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f(x) = - 6 if x=6
f(x) = equation if - 5<x<10
f(x)= equation if x<-5

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This is how you should write it

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Piecewise function

nova creek
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To find out which, continue simplifying and see if you get a contradiction or not

pastel abyss
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He was given a graph though

nova creek
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He's asking about an unrelated question

pastel abyss
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Oh i just looked at the first message srry

lean otter
pastel abyss
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It has no solutions

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-28-4a=-4a - 3

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Tangent Line from Substituting the values x 1 , y 1 gives the slope of the tangent line: 2 + y ' = 1 - y ', so y ' = -1/2

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Someone says I have to solve it and gave me that message

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That would be the full one lol

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Tangent Line from Substituting the values x 1 , y 1 gives the slope of the tangent line: 2 + y ' = 1 - y ', so y ' = -1/2

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wat

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what is your question

lean otter
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Wait

lean otter
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Release date of 1.5 is: Given to you if you solve the Tangent Line from Substituting the values x 1 , y 1 gives the slope of the tangent line: 2 + y ' = 1 - y ', so y ' = -1/2

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That’s the full message

lean chasm
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the full message of what

lean otter
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I don’t even understand what I should do

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Ok ok so, first step would be to identify the full question. We can get some hints from the message but the full think would be better. Anyhow, lets try with what we got

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Ok thank you

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One idea is that they are asking you to find the equation of the tangent line of a function y = f(x) at some x where f'(x) = y' and y' is given by the equation you provided. Does that sound like something the person who sent the message would expect?

lean otter
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I think so

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I could ask some more things what’s the exact problem?

lost forum
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That would be helpfull yes.

lean otter
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What information is missing?

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Ohhh, I read your reply as: I could ask some more things (such as) what is the exact problem

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For the problem I proposed (the one with the tangent line) we have all the information

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Would you like us to try and solve the tangent line problem or would you like to ask the person to send you the full problem?

lean otter
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We should try it

lost forum
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ok good

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are you interested in understanding the problem and its solution or do you just want a solution?

lean otter
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Hmm I would like to understand the way to solve it but I don’t have much time

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So the Solution first.

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Thx

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If the point on the curve $y = f(x)$ where $y' = -1/2$, is $y_0 = f(x_0)$, then the equation for the tangent line to $(x,f(x))$, passing through $(x_0,f(x_0))$ would be: $y = 1/2(x_0-x)+f(x_0)$

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hold up

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latex issues

lean otter
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Ok

flat frigateBOT
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Stamatis

lost forum
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In the notation of your problem

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you can write

lean otter
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Um

lost forum
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$y = 1/2(x_1-x) + y_1$

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sorry hold up again

flat frigateBOT
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Stamatis

lost forum
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There you go

lean otter
lost forum
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Yes

lean otter
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Oh ok thx

lost forum
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Would you like to understand it?

lean otter
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It it like f(x)=m(x)+b ?

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Is it*

lost forum
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Yes! But let me start with a question

lean otter
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Ok

lost forum
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Stop me if you get confused

lean otter
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Ok

lost forum
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We are looking for the tangent line to a function y = f(x)

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at some point x_1

lean otter
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Ok i got that

lost forum
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more precesily at (x_1,y_1) where y_1 = f(x_1)

lean otter
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And now?

lost forum
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So, what do you know about tangent lines?

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Roughly

lean otter
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Not much lol

lost forum
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Anything that comes to mind

lean otter
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Hmm

lost forum
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I does not have to be technical

lean otter
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That we have to get x in ()

lost forum
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What does this mean?

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I am insisting because you might have confused some earlier concepts

lean otter
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Yeah um idk

lost forum
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and without straightening those out you will only be getting more and more confused

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Well lets go back to the question

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We are looking for a tangent line

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and one thing we know is that it is a line!

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what do you know about lines?

lean otter
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Nothing right now

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That confuses me

lost forum
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Ok good, we are getting closer to the problem I think

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Btw if you do not have time for this let me know

lean otter
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I have some Minutes left

lost forum
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what do you know about something that looks like this: $y = f(x)$

flat frigateBOT
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Stamatis

lean otter
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Ik we had some task like that

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y=3+2x
-y=3+2x

lost forum
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Ok, so lets take an easier example

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when you see y = x+1

lean otter
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Yes

lost forum
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what do think you can do with this, what is it? If someone asked what is y = x+1 what would you say?

lean otter
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A Tanget Line?

lost forum
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Any answer, ie answering "it is a task I was given" is ok

lean otter
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Lol

lost forum
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Well, let me start answering some questions and not only asking

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so when you are given y=x+1, you are given a factory. Think of y as the output and x as the input

lean otter
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Wait that guy has send a message

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Im gonna send screenshots

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He got that

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Now I’m very confused

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He cut the first part?

lost forum
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ok, I see

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for a start, if you replace $x_1=1,y_1=1$ in our solution you get the correct solution

flat frigateBOT
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Stamatis

lost forum
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I had misunderstood you input. But now the question is full

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So we get the same answer as he does

lean otter
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Oh

lost forum
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Now, I unfortunately have to go, but I will leave you with a series of questions you can ask your teacher so that he can help you straighten your understanding out

lean otter
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Ok thank you

lost forum
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  1. I do not understand how I use functions y = f(x)
  2. How is the graph of y = f(x) and the explanation you gave in my first question connected? For example, how can I construct the graph of y=f(x)
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More coming hold on

lean otter
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Yea

lost forum
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  1. How can I draw a tangent line to y=f(x)?
  2. How can I find some function y = g(x), such that the tangent line we just drew is its graph
  3. If instead of y=f(x) I have something like g(y) = f(x), can you give me examples to understand what this means?
  4. Ok, so how do I draw the graph of something like g(y) = f(x)
  5. How do I find the tangent line to something like g(y) = f(x) at some point?
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That's all

lean otter
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Ok

lost forum
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If you show your teacher these questions I think they will be able to help you. If you understand the answer to all these 7 questions you will be able to solve problems like the one you sent here on your own

lean otter
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I hope so 😄

lost forum
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Actually replace question 2 with:
2) what is the graph of y=f(x) and how do I make it

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thats better

lean otter
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K

lost forum
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anyway, goodbye!

lean otter
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Bye!

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tender mountain
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What algebra factoring strategies (methods) do I need to learn to factor most polynomials?

tender mountain
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Only the absolute necessary ones

worthy hemlock
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All of them

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Quadratic formula, completing the square, factor by grouping, etc

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All of them would be used, depending on the problem

tender mountain
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Depends on how long it takes you to learn

tender mountain
worthy hemlock
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No

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But you can Google them

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Or look them on youtube

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It's not hard to do that yourself

tender mountain
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ok

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so what are the strategies?

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Just learn them, it's not that hard to Google the concepts and learn them

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No clue how to approach this

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pliant inlet
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Perhaps PAP^1 = D with PBP^1 = D or something alone those lines

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just no idea

stoic dune
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I've been drinking a little and might be saying something dumb. Do diagonal matricies commute?

pliant inlet
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Commute?

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If AB = C then BA = C

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you mean?

stoic dune
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Two matrices X and Y commute if XY = YX

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Yeah, I think diagonal matricies commute. What does that mean for you?

pliant inlet
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PAP^-1 * PBP^-1 = PBP^-1 * PAP^-1?

stoic dune
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Yeah that's the statement. Does it simplify?

pliant inlet
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uh

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P^1*P =I

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so PABP^-1 = PB AP^-1

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hm

stoic dune
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Good! Then we can multiply both sides by P⁻¹ on the left

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And multiply both sides by P on the right

pliant inlet
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AB^p1 = BAP^-1

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and then

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AB = BA

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huh

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makes sense

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OK yeah

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i understand

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I have to calculate the area of this triangle

lean otter
humble grove
lean otter
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$s=\frac{a+b+c}{2}$

area=$\sqrt{s(s-a) (s-b)(s-c)}$

flat frigateBOT
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sqrt(-1) is approx -30

lean otter
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where a, b, c are the sides

humble grove
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Yes

lean otter
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so where u are also told the sides

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so u can just plug it in

humble grove
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ah i add them then divide

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then plug it in

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okay let me try

lean otter
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yes

humble grove
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I've actually never learnt this before

lean otter
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perimetee/2

thin bridge
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the problem is overspecified

lean otter
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atleast I learned it in grade 7

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first

humble grove
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It didn't work in the triangle

humble grove
thin bridge
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using the 6m and 14m side and the angle between them, the third side is actually supposed to be around 18.347m,
not 18m exactly

humble grove
humble grove
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the answer i got is 643

thin bridge
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if you take the diagram at face value, you'll get slightly different results depending on which formula you apply

lean otter
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,w sqrt(20(20-18)(20-14)(20-8))

humble grove
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huh

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how

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wtf

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my calculator gives me 643

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i plugged it in exactly

lean otter
humble grove
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ah its because it wont square root the entire formula

thin bridge
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can you show what you're plugging into your calc

humble grove
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only the 20

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smh this shitty calc

thin bridge
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wdym by only the 20

humble grove
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should i just find the anwer then square root?

lean otter
humble grove
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okay there we go

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im gonna have to get used to thsi on the exam

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smh

thin bridge
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put sufficient parentheses around the whole thing you're taking the square root of

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were you asked to round the answer?

humble grove
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How do I do the second question?

thin bridge
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based on the solution and that there was an angle given in the question

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it seems like they wanted you to apply the trig formula for area of a triangle

humble grove
humble grove
thin bridge
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exactly what I said

humble grove
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.

thin bridge
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herons formula can be used to calculate the area of a triangle given its 3 sides

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but based on the given solution it's not what's intended here

humble grove
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Ah okay

thin bridge
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since this is part of a trig course

humble grove
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Btw when it says ACB angle what does that mean

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which angle is it

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Is it this one?

thin bridge
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the angle formed between segments AC and CB

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yes

humble grove
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Ah okay

humble grove
# humble grove

looking at this triangle how do ik which is the adj and which is the hyp

thin bridge
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those terms aren't applicable to non-right triangles

humble grove
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so how do i find the angle?

thin bridge
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sine rule

humble grove
thin bridge
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as for part i), and mentioned earlier

if you take the diagram at face value, you'll get slightly different results depending on which formula you apply
using herons gets a value that'd round to 52.7
so it seems like they want you to apply
Area = 1/2 ab sin(C)

humble grove
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but i have to find the angle C before i do it

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you have angle C

humble grove
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110 isnt angle A?

thin bridge
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I mean you have the angle represented by C in the formula

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just because the formula uses
a,b,C
does not mean that you need the sides and angles labelled a,b,C in your diagram
and also does NOT mean that if your diagram is labelled with other letters that the formula wouldn't be able to be applied

humble grove
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oh

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that makes way more sense

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but even if i plugged in the formula

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i get 110

thin bridge
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Area = 1/2 ab sin(C),
from labelling convention,
a,b are two of the sides and C is the angle between them

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here your given angle is the 110°

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which two sides form that angle between them

humble grove
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8 and 14

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ohh i was using 18

thin bridge
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8 and 14
yes

humble grove
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ah yes

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i got 52 once again

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once again

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thank u so much

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that formula is way easier than herons rule

thin bridge
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onvr shsin?

humble grove
humble grove
thin bridge
humble grove
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typo lol

thin bridge
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the stuff after the dp is important

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,W calc 56sin(110deg)

thin bridge
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note that this rounds to the given intended answer

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now moving on, can you show your attempt at applying the sine rule

humble grove
humble grove
thin bridge
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no

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you didn't apply the sine rule correctly

humble grove
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could you please show me how to

humble grove
thin bridge
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can you repost the diagram so I don't have to scroll

humble grove
thin bridge
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18/sin(110°),
would be part of it

humble grove
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oh yeah

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u said

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my bad sorry

thin bridge
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it's the thing on the left side of the equation that's problematic

humble grove
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oh

thin bridge
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what's the angle you're trying to find,
what's the side opposite that

humble grove
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8 is opp

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so im supposed to use 14 and 18

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huh

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im confused now

thin bridge
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which was <ACB .
you'd just leave <ACB in the sine rule like that since it's currently unknown

humble grove
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okay

thin bridge
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the side opposite that angle has length 8(m)

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and use that to set up your equation

humble grove
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im genuinely not sure at all about this

thin bridge
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well you're looking at the sine rule in front of you right?

humble grove
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yeah

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8/sin110=x14/sin110

thin bridge
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from labelling convention, the lowercase letter represents the side opposite the respective capital letter angle/vertex

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the 110° angle and side opposite that is given (18m)

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<ACB is unknown and the side opposite that is given 8m)

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plug those into the sine rule

humble grove
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dude

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i dont know

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i tried

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my brains gonna explode

thin bridge
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and seeing as all pairs are covered in the full sine rule

humble grove
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The angle is 24.7

thin bridge
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just simply plug in what's known

humble grove
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i dont know how to

thin bridge
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and you can even follow the labelling in your diagram

humble grove
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i told u i dont know how to

thin bridge
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try not to overthink this

humble grove
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can you just write out the formula

thin bridge
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what's is C

humble grove
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or equation

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ill take notes that way

thin bridge
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you said you're looking at a copy of the sine rule right?

humble grove
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and understand it better

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yes

thin bridge
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do not overthink this

humble grove
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please hurry up

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i gtg in 7 mins

thin bridge
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you are given an angle to be 110°

humble grove
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im gonna kill myself

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okay butwhere do i plug in the 110

thin bridge
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which letter in your diagram represents that angle

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do not overthink this

humble grove
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A?

thin bridge
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yes

humble grove
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okay

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now what

thin bridge
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so you'd plug in 110° for A in the sine rule