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It says "draw a net" is it like this? This was solved in note book but I couldn't understand
all four faces would be triangles, so a net of a pyramid would look something like this
but for your example, you need to make sure the right angles are in the right place
Ah
If let's say I needed to find height and only have volume and base how would I get it?
Look at the 2nd formula on your sheet
^
I forgot everything
$V=\frac{1}{3}Ah$, divide both sides by $A$ to get $\frac{V}{A}=\frac{1}{3}h$ then multiply by 3 to get $h=\frac{3V}{A}$
Toby
,rotate
you can use the forth equation on your sheet to get the surface area of a cone
note that diameter=radius*2
yeah
Ok this is confusing I can't lmao brain fried
It's gonna be such a pain in the ass to memorise all those shit
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when factoring large expressions like $x^2+3x^2-1x+1x^2$ would you simplify it to be smaller to be able to use strategies that require 4 numbers?
kangaroo rat
strategies that require 4 numbers??
I edited my message
no like $4x-3x+8x^2$ see how there is four numbers like 8x or something?
kangaroo rat
oh I think I get what you mean.
yes
$0x^4+0x^3+5x^2-x$
kangaroo rat
yes
also have you got a better name for it?
is that what you mean by "4 number"?
yes
okay, it's called "terms"
yes
so back to my question
張嘉棋
4 terms
yes
there are like not ones with 8 terms allowed?
please be clearer in what you are trying to ask help with
so in factoring strategies there are not strategies for every number?
sure there is
there is
so you had to memorise infinite strategies you are still learning?
above like a certain term, theres like one way I know of
there are some tricks to help solve it
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so do you think I could simplify a expression to work for a 4 term strategy?
can you tell me what equation you have there?
I am not trying to figure something out just trying to learn
so can you help
and I am teaching
yes
so can you tell me what type of equation you have there?
polynomial and quadric
wdym?
yes
what?
quadratic
yes
then what does x equals?
idk
but you told me you know the method.
You should add the 1x ^2
I thought i knew the method
Factor out an x, and get it x(x-1)
where the 5 go?
👍
My question is one of the methods I know of factoring can only be done when there are 4 terms. If there were 5 terms could I make the 5 terms 4 terms to do it in the method I know. If so can you tell me how to simplify it?
@limber smelt
hello?
you can split it into quadratic
what if it wasnt a quadratic in the first place?
$x^2+9^2-y^2+x^2-9x^3$
kangaroo rat
Is that good
oh yea
can you write one?
ok so can we go through it
in a rush for what?
i just gtg soon
15 minutes
sorry, I don't think I can teach it in that time.
but pls watch this video when you find the time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJNi8kZ-SHU
factoring 5-term polynomials, by grouping
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ill ask if i can be a little longer
how is 25 minutes?
the video is literally the way I would do it so.
if there are questions after, then feel free to ask
I already know how to factor by grouping is that all this is?
pretty much for a quartic
oh
So back to the question then Is there a way to simplify the polynomial to become 4 terms? And will it still be effective for answering the larger then 4 term equation.
before I go?
the polynomial you provided simplifies to a quadratic
does every polynomial?
what? NO
oh
so i there a way for every polynomial to become 4 terms?
as in the question/equation
if it's a QUADRATIC, then you can't simplify into 4 terms
anything not a quadratic?
yes or no?
that was not a question
what types of polynomials can be simplified to 4 then?
I seriously don't get what you mean by 4?
you have to explain what you have already done
4 terms like this 4x
go on
no
then what do you want me to say
factorising? 4 numbers?
you just simplify and factorise
I don't get what's the problem with 4 numbers?
I know a way to factor that requires you to only have 4 terms is there a way to simplify 5 or 6 terms to 4 terms so i can apply my strategy?
explain your strategy
oh actually it requires 3 terms
$1x^2+7x+12$. 12 the last term in the equation and 1 the first coefficient. Multiply them to get 12 factors of 12 that add up to 7 the middle terms coefficient 3x4=12, 3+4=7 the answer is (x+3) (x+4).
kangaroo rat
so that is 3 terms the equation has three terms how do you do that with something with 4 or 5 terms do you simplify it to 3 terms or what?
@limber smelt
if you want 4or 5 then the rest is just 0
x=3, x=4, x=0
wdym?
what you mean by this question then?
I mean is it possible to apply this strategy to an equation with 4 terms or more?
so I can use this exact strategy
the yt video will help me?
and if it doesn't work can you tell me what those steps are called?
like a name or something?
have you tried a textbook?
I have been googling
so do you know a name?
a name for what?
for the steps anything I can work on?
just google "how to factor an n term polynomial"
a n term?
oh my bad
so what?
what was it meant to be?
i fixed it now
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Hey hey, I need help with this two questions. I have previously tried to do them like I tried to do tan (75) = tan (45+30)
And use the formula tan x + tan y / 1 - (tan x) (tan y)

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use pythagorean theorem to find $\tan(\alpha)$ and $\tan(\beta)$
riemann
Based on the questions what quadrants are they specifically referring to?
draw a picture
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I clicked 3rd reaction one to remove LaTeX code ._.
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If $\dfrac{\tan(\theta+\alpha)}{a} = \dfrac{\tan(\theta+\beta)}{b} = \dfrac{\tan(\theta+\gamma)}{c}$
Show that,
$\dfrac{a+b}{a-b}\cdot \sin^2(\alpha-\beta) + \dfrac{b+c}{b-c}\cdot \sin^2(\beta-\gamma) + \dfrac{c+a}{c-a}\cdot \sin^2(\gamma-\alpha)=0$
Fawkes
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the approach
Do this next time
@lean otter is using complex representations of trigonometric functions allowed in the solution?
Have you been taught that yet?
It's easy to solve using that approach
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Do you mean compound angle and all? Yes
Exactly
@lean otter Has your question been resolved?
Nay, idk anything like that
I only know some trig. Funcs and identities
@hexed night what exactly are you stuck on
oh wait @lean otter is the one who needs help
my bad
Yes, and the question is here @glass sonnet
have you tried splitting using compound angles?
Yep
what did you get?
Result was that my brain burst out in the middle
can you show your working?
Fawkes
And in the similar question which i solved( not exactly same, question is different) i agot a relation between tan(A+B)/tan=(A-B) = sin(A+B)/sin(A-B) and in this i am now more confused
why don't you first just start with tan(theta + alpha)/a
try expand that on its own first
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Hint: 77=7*11 🤯
Then some things will cancel out from numerator and denominator. After that you can do trial and error, test the choices
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I got A as the answer, can someone please confirm?
it's B actually
I don't know how paradox got B
Ignore the thing at the top
I was doing a diff problem before
this is what i did
Yeah
your solution is correct
How did u read A from that tho
You need to find the group of solutions
for which
the both equations are correct
not only 1
and both are only correct where their groups of solutions
intersect
i see, i thought that x<=-2
oh nvm
was equal to what is written on solution A
I thought so
$x^2-4$
Frojodo
yeah is x=2 or -2
Frojodo
do u know how to solve for this*
x<2 or x<-2
then x<-2 becomes false
if x=-3
Honestly, i can try guessing, but how i did the problem is how i was thought at school here in italy lol
maybe i should have wrote x>-2? i have no idea
nono u weren't taught that way
many students mess it up
and it's very common
I even thought it was the same way you think it is rn
when I was first learning it
let me explain
i see
$x^2-4$
Frojodo
Frojodo
yes
Frojodo
does it make more sense now?
yes
but what is the requirement for this to be smaller than 0
here I'll help you out a bit
one of those 2 brackets
have to be negative
and the other has to be positive
if both are negative or positive
their end result will be >0
you need to find the group of numbers
for which one of the brackets
is negative
and the other is positive
the solutions is
X is the element of (-2,2)
so you mean that -2<x<+2
Frojodo
yes
i see
try solving this one now
-4<x<+4
r u sure?
ups you are right
how can you look at this problem?
(x-4)(x+4)>0
so they have to be both x>4 and x>-4
if x>-4
then let's take a random number
that's higher than
-4
-2
per say
that would be
(-2-4)*(-2+4)
that's
-6*2
-12
-12 is not bigger than 0
no
I'll tell u the solution so u can maybe visualize it better
the solution is
X is the element of (-infinty,-4) U (4, +infinity)
or X is the element of R/(-4,4)
So its x<-4 and x>+4
yes!
Okay now i understand
that's great!
I have another question if you dont mind
Lets say that a disequation is something like this (-x^2+3x+2)/(x-4)>0
on the denominator we will have x>4
what do u think u need to find then!
but on the nominator we will have to change > to <
$((2x+2)/(x-4))>0$
Frojodo
my bad
i meant to write an example where you had to change the "direction" of >/< symbol
$(-x^2+3x+2)/(x-4)>0$
Frojodo
do you know how to solve a quadratic equation?
yes
I don't think so?
im wrong
wait
nono
just apply the formula
like this
it's completely doable
and simple
it's just
(-3+-sqrt of 9+16)/-2
yes
(-3+-5)/-2
i wanted to make a simpler example
Wait, so you didnt change the sign of -x^2 before doing this right?
yes
okay, so we are left with x<-1 and x>4
or are we
don't jump to conclusions!
let's write the brackets that make up the quadratic first
(x+1)(x-4)>0
x-4
now we need to see
when the top of the division line
and the bottom of the divison line
or rather
the numerator and the denominator
have the same
sign
- or -
they do
but when
nonono
when do they have th same sign
for an example they won't have the same sign
for the value of -2
yes!
btw if you would like to vc
so I can explain it better
I'm down for that too
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this is the graph of its derivative not the graph of f(x)
so how do i find the info of f(x)
write those statements in terms of f'(x), for example, if f has a relative min at x, then f'(x)=0 and f' should be negative just before x and positive just after x
if the graph is concave up, that means that f'(x) is increasing, hence, f''(x)>0
please check help ticket 26, that other problem still says im getting something wrong
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Please explain me 2.33.
What is the random variable described in 2.3
What
That doesn’t make sense
Where did they get the 1/4 and 3/4 stuff?
Is that what you’re asking?
Here you go.
Ok there’s the random variable from 2.3
Ah i understand
There’s a 1/4 probability that X is between 0 and 1, i.e. (T, T)
There’s a 3/4 probability that X is between 0 and 2, ie (T,T),(H,T),(T,H)
Are you following
Sorry, I am not.
Do you know what X is
It’s a function that takes in a flipping of coins, eg (H, T), and spits out how many Heads there are
Basically it counts how many heads you flipped
Following?
Yes 🙂
Ok cool
When you flip a coin twice, there are only 4 possible outcomes
TT, HT, TH, and HH
Yes
So the probability of X (the number of heads) being 0 is 1/4
And the probability of X being 1 is 2/4
And P(X = 2) = 1/4
Still got it?
Yes 🙂
so we can create a function that associates each outcome of X with its associated probability
This is called a probability distribution
So our probability distribution would look like
P(0) = 1/4
P(1) = 1/2
P(2) = 1/4
A cumulative distribution function associated each outcome of X with the probability that X is at most that value
For our example, it would be like F(x) is the probability that the number of heads is at most x, ie
F(0) = P(0) = 1/4
F(1) = P(0) + P(1) = 1/4 + 1/2 = 3/4
F(2) = P(0) + P(1) + P(2) = 1
Ohh. Gotcha 👍
If you’re familiar with calculus, it is simply the integral of the probability distribution
But yeah that’s that
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hello
Hello i am doing some summer practice to make sure im ready for calculus next year i was wondering if my answers are correct as the guide says im wrong and idk what i did wrong
so the questions and answers i have are as followed and i think the guide says im all wrong on them so please le me know if my thinking is incorrect
lim x -> -5^- / f(x) =-9
lim x -> -5^+ / f(x) =-6
lim x -> -5^ / f(x) = undef
f(x) = -6
"-/"? That's not an operation, is it?
the "/" is a seperator between question and answer sorry
Oh
sorry
lim x -> -5^-
But then this just doesn't make sense
I think it's the limit of -5 from the left
its like limit of x as it approaches -5 from the left
am i right cause it says im wrong and i dont understand how i could be if i am
cause unl;ess i got the directions of the approaching left and right wrong idk how its wrong
yes
If it's approaching from the left, it can't be -9
Perhaps you mixed up left and right
would it be -6 then?
But approaching from the left, that would be -6
I'm actually not sure about this one
for sure and then i have a question about constants in a piecewise function if you could help
yeah i get you
Well, I really just don't know. If your guide says it's wrong, then it's probably -6
But that's only a guess
bet thanks
so my constant question you have to solve for "a" to make the graph constant but when i solve it it cancels out so idk what to do
The lim as x->-5 should be the same from both sides. Since it's not the same, it doesn't exist
-2x^2-x-4a as x < -4
ax-3 as x > -4
bet thats what i was thinking but wasnt sure
so when i do this i set them equal to one another and plug in "x" but when I solve for a they both cancel as both sides have a "-4a"
What's the question?
That's just a function
so they want me get a constant "a" to make the two functions continous as they are apart of a piecewise function but when i try to solve for "a" the equations just cancel out
cause i get
-2(-4)^2+4-4a = -4a-3
so the -4a cancels
Uhm
f(x) = - 6 if x=6
f(x) = equation if - 5<x<10
f(x)= equation if x<-5
This is how you should write it
Piecewise function
If the as cancel, either all values of a make it continuous, or no values of a do
To find out which, continue simplifying and see if you get a contradiction or not
He was given a graph though
He's asking about an unrelated question
Oh i just looked at the first message srry
Are you sure the question is to find a constant "a" such that the piecewise function is continuous? It seems that it would never be continuous anyway
Take the limit as x approaches - 4 of both equations
It has no solutions
-28-4a=-4a - 3
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Tangent Line from Substituting the values x 1 , y 1 gives the slope of the tangent line: 2 + y ' = 1 - y ', so y ' = -1/2
no?
how did you get -1/2?
Someone says I have to solve it and gave me that message
That would be the full one lol
Tangent Line from Substituting the values x 1 , y 1 gives the slope of the tangent line: 2 + y ' = 1 - y ', so y ' = -1/2
Wait
This doen't make much sense
Release date of 1.5 is: Given to you if you solve the Tangent Line from Substituting the values x 1 , y 1 gives the slope of the tangent line: 2 + y ' = 1 - y ', so y ' = -1/2
That’s the full message
the full message of what
That I got
I don’t even understand what I should do
Ok ok so, first step would be to identify the full question. We can get some hints from the message but the full think would be better. Anyhow, lets try with what we got
Ok thank you
One idea is that they are asking you to find the equation of the tangent line of a function y = f(x) at some x where f'(x) = y' and y' is given by the equation you provided. Does that sound like something the person who sent the message would expect?
That would be helpfull yes.
What information is missing?
Ohhh, I read your reply as: I could ask some more things (such as) what is the exact problem
For the problem I proposed (the one with the tangent line) we have all the information
Would you like us to try and solve the tangent line problem or would you like to ask the person to send you the full problem?
We should try it
ok good
are you interested in understanding the problem and its solution or do you just want a solution?
Hmm I would like to understand the way to solve it but I don’t have much time
So the Solution first.
Thx
If the point on the curve $y = f(x)$ where $y' = -1/2$, is $y_0 = f(x_0)$, then the equation for the tangent line to $(x,f(x))$, passing through $(x_0,f(x_0))$ would be: $y = 1/2(x_0-x)+f(x_0)$
hold up
latex issues
Ok
Stamatis
Um
Stamatis
There you go
Thats the solution?
Yes
Oh ok thx
Would you like to understand it?
Yes! But let me start with a question
Ok
Stop me if you get confused
Ok
Ok i got that
more precesily at (x_1,y_1) where y_1 = f(x_1)
And now?
Not much lol
Anything that comes to mind
Hmm
I does not have to be technical
That we have to get x in ()
What does this mean?
I am insisting because you might have confused some earlier concepts
Yeah um idk
and without straightening those out you will only be getting more and more confused
Well lets go back to the question
We are looking for a tangent line
and one thing we know is that it is a line!
what do you know about lines?
Ok good, we are getting closer to the problem I think
Btw if you do not have time for this let me know
I have some Minutes left
what do you know about something that looks like this: $y = f(x)$
Stamatis
Yes
what do think you can do with this, what is it? If someone asked what is y = x+1 what would you say?
A Tanget Line?
Any answer, ie answering "it is a task I was given" is ok
Lol
Well, let me start answering some questions and not only asking
so when you are given y=x+1, you are given a factory. Think of y as the output and x as the input
Wait that guy has send a message
Im gonna send screenshots
He got that
Now I’m very confused
He cut the first part?
ok, I see
for a start, if you replace $x_1=1,y_1=1$ in our solution you get the correct solution
Stamatis
I had misunderstood you input. But now the question is full
So we get the same answer as he does
Oh
Now, I unfortunately have to go, but I will leave you with a series of questions you can ask your teacher so that he can help you straighten your understanding out
Ok thank you
- I do not understand how I use functions y = f(x)
- How is the graph of y = f(x) and the explanation you gave in my first question connected? For example, how can I construct the graph of y=f(x)
More coming hold on
Yea
- How can I draw a tangent line to y=f(x)?
- How can I find some function y = g(x), such that the tangent line we just drew is its graph
- If instead of y=f(x) I have something like g(y) = f(x), can you give me examples to understand what this means?
- Ok, so how do I draw the graph of something like g(y) = f(x)
- How do I find the tangent line to something like g(y) = f(x) at some point?
That's all
Ok
If you show your teacher these questions I think they will be able to help you. If you understand the answer to all these 7 questions you will be able to solve problems like the one you sent here on your own
I hope so 😄
Actually replace question 2 with:
2) what is the graph of y=f(x) and how do I make it
thats better
K
anyway, goodbye!
Bye!
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What algebra factoring strategies (methods) do I need to learn to factor most polynomials?
Only the absolute necessary ones
All of them
Quadratic formula, completing the square, factor by grouping, etc
All of them would be used, depending on the problem
how long will that take
Depends on how long it takes you to learn
can you recommend a video?
No
But you can Google them
Or look them on youtube
It's not hard to do that yourself
Just learn them, it's not that hard to Google the concepts and learn them
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No clue how to approach this
I've been drinking a little and might be saying something dumb. Do diagonal matricies commute?
Two matrices X and Y commute if XY = YX
Yeah, I think diagonal matricies commute. What does that mean for you?
PAP^-1 * PBP^-1 = PBP^-1 * PAP^-1?
Yeah that's the statement. Does it simplify?
Good! Then we can multiply both sides by P⁻¹ on the left
And multiply both sides by P on the right
AB^p1 = BAP^-1
and then
AB = BA
huh
makes sense
OK yeah
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I have to calculate the area of this triangle
herons formula
Could you please elaborate
given the sides of a triangle herons formula tells u the area basically
$s=\frac{a+b+c}{2}$
area=$\sqrt{s(s-a) (s-b)(s-c)}$
sqrt(-1) is approx -30
where a, b, c are the sides
Yes
yes
I've actually never learnt this before
perimetee/2
the problem is overspecified
it's a grade 7 topic
atleast I learned it in grade 7

first
It didn't work in the triangle
I believe there's a different method
using the 6m and 14m side and the angle between them, the third side is actually supposed to be around 18.347m,
not 18m exactly
Perimetere divided by 2 is 20
true
just ignore it
now i plugged it in
the answer i got is 643
if you take the diagram at face value, you'll get slightly different results depending on which formula you apply
,w sqrt(20(20-18)(20-14)(20-8))

ah its because it wont square root the entire formula
can you show what you're plugging into your calc
wdym by only the 20
should i just find the anwer then square root?
like sqrt(20) * (20-18) * (20-14) *(20-8)
put sufficient parentheses around the whole thing you're taking the square root of
were you asked to round the answer?
based on the solution and that there was an angle given in the question
it seems like they wanted you to apply the trig formula for area of a triangle
so what could have I used
does herons formula work for any triangle?
exactly what I said
herons formula can be used to calculate the area of a triangle given its 3 sides
but based on the given solution it's not what's intended here
Ah okay
since this is part of a trig course
Btw when it says ACB angle what does that mean
which angle is it
Is it this one?
Ah okay
looking at this triangle how do ik which is the adj and which is the hyp
those terms aren't applicable to non-right triangles
so how do i find the angle?
sine rule
ok ima try my best and u correct me pls
as for part i), and mentioned earlier
if you take the diagram at face value, you'll get slightly different results depending on which formula you apply
using herons gets a value that'd round to 52.7
so it seems like they want you to apply
Area = 1/2 ab sin(C)
I tried the basic formula
but i have to find the angle C before i do it
you have angle C
110 isnt angle A?
I mean you have the angle represented by C in the formula
just because the formula uses
a,b,C
does not mean that you need the sides and angles labelled a,b,C in your diagram
and also does NOT mean that if your diagram is labelled with other letters that the formula wouldn't be able to be applied
Area = 1/2 ab sin(C),
from labelling convention,
a,b are two of the sides and C is the angle between them
here your given angle is the 110°
which two sides form that angle between them
8 and 14
yes
ah yes
i got 52 once again
once again
thank u so much
that formula is way easier than herons rule
onvr shsin?
can you help me use the sine rule
what
.
typo lol
note that this rounds to the given intended answer
now moving on, can you show your attempt at applying the sine rule
x14/sin110 = 18/sin110
Correct?
could you please show me how to
i think i messed up w the second one right
can you repost the diagram so I don't have to scroll
18/sin(110°),
would be part of it
it's the thing on the left side of the equation that's problematic
oh
what's the angle you're trying to find,
what's the side opposite that
.
which was <ACB .
you'd just leave <ACB in the sine rule like that since it's currently unknown
okay
can you please do it for me so i can takenotes
im genuinely not sure at all about this
well you're looking at the sine rule in front of you right?
from labelling convention, the lowercase letter represents the side opposite the respective capital letter angle/vertex
the 110° angle and side opposite that is given (18m)
<ACB is unknown and the side opposite that is given 8m)
plug those into the sine rule
and seeing as all pairs are covered in the full sine rule
The angle is 24.7
just simply plug in what's known
i dont know how to
and you can even follow the labelling in your diagram
i told u i dont know how to
try not to overthink this
can you just write out the formula
what's is C
you said you're looking at a copy of the sine rule right?
do not overthink this
you are given an angle to be 110°
A?
yes
so you'd plug in 110° for A in the sine rule