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quasi bison
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is that something you think is illegal?

forest fossil
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no no I get it now

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I think I miss understood u

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because I understood from you, k isn't 2

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thank you soo much

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appreciate your help @quasi bison Thanks

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@forest fossil Has your question been resolved?

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valid vale
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how to find AD when you know AB parallel to CE, BC=3, and you know the area of ABCE is equal to the area of CDE

neat kiln
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what have you tried

valid vale
# neat kiln what have you tried

3x=yx y is ED and i know that to find the area of ABCE which is a parallelogram is the same as finding triangle (a*h) but that doesnt really work

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x is AB

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i mean AE*

karmic ravine
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But u have to figure out how to use that area info

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Hint : try to remember how the area of parallelogram and triangle is calculated

valid vale
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area parallelogram ah triangle ah /2

karmic ravine
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Yeah

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Now they both have the same height ?

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Clearly?

valid vale
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yea

neat kiln
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ah = ah/2 here

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since they have the same height you can cancel them

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so a=a/2

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the a's are different though

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AE=ED/2

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we know AE because AE || BC which is 3

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understood @valid vale

valid vale
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so a=6?

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because 1/2a=3

neat kiln
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a is the ED here right

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it is 6

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now can you do AD?

valid vale
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3+6

neat kiln
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yes

valid vale
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alright thanks

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pastel hare
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pastel hare
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Why multiply and divide by 2?

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And when would I know when to do it?

dull sequoia
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ok do you see how when u do f'(x)

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sry misread thought itwas something else

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look at the rule on line 2

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you want it in the form of ∫ [f(x)]^n * f'(x) dx

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now u can pretend there's an f'(x)

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if u just multiply the inside by 2

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because f(x) = 2x + 3, f'(x) = 2 (on the right)

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but you cant make a 2 out of nowhere

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so you divide the entire integral by 2 at the front

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so you multiplied the integral by 2/2 and put the top 2 inside as f'(x)

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and the 1/2 in the front to balance out that 2 u put inside

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u'll know to do it if the f(x) is easy to differentiate, has no x's

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cos if the inside is like x^2 - 3

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then u can't make it in the form ∫ [f(x)]^n * f'(x) dx

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cos the f'(x) is gonna be 2x

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and u cant just magically make 2x outta nothing

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For example here you have an x outside you can also do a 2/2 to get the derivative of f(x)

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the point is you want to "find f'(x)" somewhere so u can use this rule

pastel hare
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Oh ok.

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pastel hare
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So would we only multiply/divide by 2 here be the derivative of 2x + 3 is 2?

dull sequoia
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yes

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if the inside said something like 4x-2

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then u would multiply and divide by 4

pastel hare
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ah thanks for clarifying.

dull sequoia
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but i gave an example where the inside derives to 2x

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but you do have an x outside

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so it's like halfway there

pastel hare
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right

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lean otter
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Hi, I'm trying my make a histogram but I'm trying to figure out how to group this data. My values range from 4.2 to 4.8. Is this how i would write it?

drowsy moss
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typically the intervals of a histogram are equal in length

lean otter
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but if i was group 4.2 to 4.8 is that how i would do it

drowsy moss
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either more/less intervals or if you want 4 intervals divide (4.8-4.2) by 4 and that's the length of each subinterval. I don't know what your data is or what the question is. So that's about all I can tell you.

lean otter
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idk if this helps. these are just revision questions but i just wana make sure im getting them right before i move on

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that was my previous answer and it was wrong my tutor stated i should group them

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this is the question - (a) Arrange the data into equal classes

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pine tulip
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6^x=-36, why is this statement true: "does not admit solutions in the real field"

pine tulip
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but not: it has a single solution of -2

quasi bison
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no

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6^-2 is 1/36, not -36

pine tulip
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i see, so it doesnt become x=-2

quasi bison
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of course it doesn't.

pine tulip
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you are right, thanks

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knotty nexus
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Just looking at this question in general from my textbook...

I'd just like to speculate - because the cubic function is in essence, symmetrical, and the area under the function would provide the displacement.

Would it be appropriate to approximate the function as a triangle in this circumstance, rather than integrating a+bt+ct^2+dt^3 ? to find displacement? 1/2bh

It seems the question is worded in a way where it wants me to find variables a,b,c,d

knotty nexus
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Otherwise the long-winded way would be as follows:
$$v=f(tt)=a+bt+ct^2+dt^3\\quad \frac{dv}{dt}=a=b+2ct+3dt^2\ t=0,t=15\text{s}\Rightarrow b=0$$ So on so forth

$$2ct+3dt^2=0$$

Within 15 seconds $$\int_0^{15} {ds} ...$$

dull sequoia
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that is smart

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it would work

flat frigateBOT
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Antoan

knotty nexus
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Okay, I thought it was unorthadox at first, I think in theory would be able to get the same answer...

dull sequoia
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yeah it sounds smart

knotty nexus
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Ah yes, I literally got the same answer

dull sequoia
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depending on the marks of the question that might be how you solve it

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if it's like a 1 or 2 mark question it wouldnt be expecting integration

knotty nexus
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Yeah I considered that, looked at the solution and seems they've gone through a pathway of trying to find variables a b c d from inspection from graph and process of elimination. Then integrated for v

Then substitution in s = s0 + v0t + 1/2at^2 🤡

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Thanks for the second view

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lean otter
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okat so i need to find the hedges area is it 834 or 816?

lean otter
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thanks

upbeat swan
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bro

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ive seen you today

lean otter
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yes

upbeat swan
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same problem

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lol

lean otter
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I JUST NEED THE HEDGE

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i spend too much on my work

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everything is completed

sacred wren
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just assume the hedge has a thickness of 0, and calculate the maximum hedgeness

upbeat swan
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,rotate

flat frigateBOT
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Couldn't find an attached image in the last 10 messages.

lean otter
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all of them r 3

upbeat swan
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Eea5S1

lean otter
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;rotate

upbeat swan
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,rotate

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sacred wren
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so make a diagram, 3ft wide rectangles joined at right angles such that the doubly connected side has a total length of 100ft

lean otter
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but some on the side have 89

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so its one 100

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then 89

upbeat swan
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omg

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the hedges are just 3 rectangles

lean otter
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WDYM OMG?

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yes

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i know

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dummy

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but my friend got 816

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and i got 834

upbeat swan
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ok

lean otter
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i need to know which is correct

upbeat swan
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whats the area of a rectangle?

lean otter
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l times w

upbeat swan
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yes

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so...

lean otter
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i need to add them together

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omg

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this is due

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in 20

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just need a answer

upbeat swan
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,w (89*3)2+973

flat frigateBOT
lean otter
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omg

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no

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there are two 89s mutiple by 3

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then one 100 times 3

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got it

upbeat swan
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wrong

lean otter
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WDYM WRONG?

upbeat swan
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)

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i will draw in paint

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so

lean otter
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seriosuly

lean otter
upbeat swan
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so

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area of abcd is 89 times 3

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right?

lean otter
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yes

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,w (893)2+100*3

upbeat swan
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same with area of efgh

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right?

lean otter
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yes

upbeat swan
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ok

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what do you need now?

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area of what?

lean otter
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the entire thing

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so

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is it 834

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or 816

upbeat swan
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ok

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we have 2 pieces out of 3

lean otter
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wait

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no

upbeat swan
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what do we need now

lean otter
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you see those lines

upbeat swan
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area of what

lean otter
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the V

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in the rectangles

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arent there

upbeat swan
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bro

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tell me

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area of what do we need

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what is missing

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whats the 3rd part

lean otter
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no

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i need to find the area OF THE ENTIRE HEDGES

upbeat swan
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i understand that

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just tell me

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pls

lean otter
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i am telling you

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you need to find the areas of

upbeat swan
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ok

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ok

lean otter
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all the hedges

upbeat swan
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i get that

lean otter
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this party

upbeat swan
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we have abcd and efgh

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what more do we need?

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with letter

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s

lean otter
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here

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one minute

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you see the highlighted part

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right

upbeat swan
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yes

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bro

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i get that

lean otter
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THATS WHAT I NEED THE AREA FOR

upbeat swan
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pls listen

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ok?

lean otter
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i am

upbeat swan
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can u listen

lean otter
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dummy

upbeat swan
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good

lean otter
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my question is

upbeat swan
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ok

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ill answer

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cuz ur stubborn af

lean otter
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is 816

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or 834

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omg

upbeat swan
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area of hedges is abcd+efgh+xyhc

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xyhc

lean otter
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yes

upbeat swan
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this is what i wanted you to tell me

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we already have the first 2

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we need area of xyhc

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right?

lean otter
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yes

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its 300

upbeat swan
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good

lean otter
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the other two are 267

upbeat swan
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no

lean otter
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wdym

upbeat swan
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segment dg is 100

lean otter
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89 times 3

upbeat swan
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we need ch

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area is not 100*3

lean otter
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so

upbeat swan
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how big is ch

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?

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its not 100

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see?

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so

lean otter
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okay

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then how do we

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get

upbeat swan
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ill tell you how

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ch

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ch

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is

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dg

sacred wren
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(2(86)+100)3

upbeat swan
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CH is DG-AB-EF

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ok?

lean otter
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yea

upbeat swan
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good

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so how long?

lean otter
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94

upbeat swan
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yes

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so what

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whats the area

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of xyhc

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not 100*3

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its...

lean otter
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282

upbeat swan
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,calc 94*3

flat frigateBOT
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Result:

282
upbeat swan
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good

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so

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whats the final answer?

lean otter
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816

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SO ITS 816

upbeat swan
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,calc (89*3)2+282

flat frigateBOT
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Result:

816
upbeat swan
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yes

lean otter
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THANK THE FUCKING STARS

upbeat swan
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what?

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oh

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so you got it wrong

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ur friend was right

lean otter
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THANK THE STARS

upbeat swan
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)

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be more careful

lean otter
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no he checked everything

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that was the only thing i got wrong

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so im not complaining

upbeat swan
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you should be

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you could have gotten 100

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always aim for the best

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dont be like the losers]

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bye

lean otter
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i know that dummy

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tysm

upbeat swan
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np

lean otter
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pliant grove
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Hi guys, I'm trying to solve question 3. What I tried to do is finding the formula for the area, for which I got A=300y-y^2. However, I am stuck after that.

glacial fractal
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where did the 300y come from

plucky elk
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dafuq is kanye building a fence for sus

glacial fractal
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he need space

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he got money and shit

plucky elk
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surely your area should have 600, x, y, and 5 somewhere

pliant grove
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600 = 2x + 2y
2x = 600 - 2y
x = 300 - y
a= x times y
a= (300-y)y
a= 300y-y^2

glacial fractal
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why 2x

pliant grove
plucky elk
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why even 600 = 2x + 2y

pliant grove
plucky elk
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there's like 6 vertical ones

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and 2y accounts for the 2 horizontal ones

glacial fractal
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ye got 6 of them xs

pliant grove
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oh shit is the 600m of fencing considering the sticks on the xs

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fack

plucky elk
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fack is the correct answer

upbeat swan
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haha

plucky elk
glacial fractal
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later bitches

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duuududududuududuuuu

polar obsidian
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Pls I don't think u understand the question

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They asked for the area

upbeat swan
pliant grove
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i got a= 300y-y^2 before realising that i need 6 sticks for the first calculation to get there

polar obsidian
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Formulae for area of rectangle which is ( length*breadth)

pliant grove
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yeah

polar obsidian
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600= xy
Making x subject formula

x=600/y

upbeat swan
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no

glacial fractal
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xy isnt 600 tho

upbeat swan
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600 is the perimiter, not the area

polar obsidian
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Ok

glacial fractal
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2y+6x=600

pliant grove
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wait no

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cuz u cant use the sticks in the area calculation

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i hate this so much

glacial fractal
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Cool

upbeat swan
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perimeter would be $6x+2y=600$

glacial fractal
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2y

upbeat swan
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yeah mb

flat frigateBOT
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Mike Oxbig

polar obsidian
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What I would say is since 600 is the perimeter

Formulae for perimeter is 600= 2(x+y)
600= 2x+2y
Making x subject formula= x= 300-y

Then the area would be
X= 300-y/y

glacial fractal
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Well you are wrong

neat kiln
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You boomer

pliant grove
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nah that can't be the formula for the perimeter because you didn't count all the adjacent pens in it

pliant grove
neat kiln
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Lithium why you got a goat profile?

pliant grove
neat kiln
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Are you actually goat of math?

pliant grove
glacial fractal
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You should be

neat kiln
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Well I am a goat too

pliant grove
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.close

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glacial fractal
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Why

upbeat swan
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lmao

neat kiln
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Kanye wanna fence the goats

upbeat swan
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bro had enough

glacial fractal
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yoi didnt solve it @dreamy wolf

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We gotta build ye a fence

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glacial fractal
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I think so too

upbeat swan
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my man just gave up mid-problem

glacial fractal
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Yeah

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@pliant grove We got a problem

upbeat swan
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i dont think he's coming back

glacial fractal
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me neither

upbeat swan
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ok

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bye then

glacial fractal
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Im scared of green

upbeat swan
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lol

plucky elk
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the channel will auto close soon anyway

glacial fractal
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aaah

upbeat swan
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more green )

glacial fractal
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fuck

upbeat swan
glacial fractal
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Hmm

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@safe radish good morning

upbeat swan
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lol

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imagine he responds

glacial fractal
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The audacity of this bitch smh

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not even saying it back

upbeat swan
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wanna tag some mods now?

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see if they respond

glacial fractal
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Yes

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Too bad they don't know I'm 12

upbeat swan
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woah

plucky elk
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worse than pinging mods for math help

upbeat swan
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woah

glacial fractal
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for legal reasons thats a joke

upbeat swan
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they do know math, right?

glacial fractal
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well they should

upbeat swan
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ive never seen one help

glacial fractal
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Too big ego

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Why would you help when you can ban

upbeat swan
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fr

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stray ridge
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Hii

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stray ridge
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Can someone explain to me

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How to read this graph to indentify when x is bigger or smaller than 1, 2 and 3?

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1/x-2 < x-2

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Crosses at 1 and 3

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Asymptote x=2

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When is 1/x-2 smaller than x-2?

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What?

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<@&268886789983436800> some guy came in here sending and deleting middle finger emoji’s

quasi plume
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its dealt with

stray ridge
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Perfect, thank you!

safe radishBOT
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@stray ridge Has your question been resolved?

dreamy wolf
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Why have you pinged me

safe radishBOT
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@stray ridge Has your question been resolved?

stray ridge
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You see this as two separate graphs right? With the x axis splitting them

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So up until the x axis x=1 and x=2 is where 1/x-2 is smaller than x-2 right? And then 1/x-2 is smaller up until x-2 crosses it at x=3?

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1<x>2 or x>3?

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safe radishBOT
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@stray ridge Has your question been resolved?

stray ridge
cobalt parrot
stray ridge
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Well if you believe it’s incorrect please elaborate on your findings

cobalt parrot
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so it should be (-inf,1) U (3, inf)

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lyric hatch
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It's asking for the definite integral from 0 to 1, right?

thin bridge
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no

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consider doing a sketch

lyric hatch
thin bridge
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no, that isn't what they want

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they're interested in the region bounded by the tangent line, your curve and the x-axis

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they're only interested in this part

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lets say i have 1 in 43 million chance to hit a certain pattern and I try to hit the pattern 1000 times are my chances still exactly 1 in 43 million? and I cant decide what pattern I get so I cant avoid ones i already did

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The chances are the exact same for your next try, yes. Although if you're asking about the odds of getting the pattern over 1000 tries, then the probability is larger

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larger probability means that if i compare a man who tried once to man who tried 1000 times the man is there a difference or their chance are like exactly the same

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Let's put it this way: if you were to place a bet either that a guy would get the pattern in one try, or that a guy would get the pattern at least once in 1000 tries, you would have a higher chance of cashing in on the guy who tries 1000 times

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i argue that it is 1000 times more probable

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Ok thanks

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It's important to note, though, that each individual try still has the same 1 in 43 million probability

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see

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1000 times is the probability that it will show up at least once

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Can someone explain how they used the conditions to get those equation?

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can someone help me to prove b) ?

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i was just wondering if i can get rid off some terms

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Hi there I needed help with this question, I managed to get up to part D but I am not sure of how to start the question

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The coordinates of the centre of the circle (A) is (4,-5)
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Since APBQ is a square that would mean it also has a gradient of 1/3 but how can we find a point on that line

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for c

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so if lets say -0.5 is a solution, then also -0.5 + pi is a solution

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how do you do this question? do you just do (axb)xc where x is cross product

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How do I write a linear equation for this table? I can usually do it if the x goes up by one each time, but here it goes up by two, so?

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is there a way to solve this without a calculator

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Yeah

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how

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$$\sin{(u+v)}= \sin{(u)}\cos{(v)} + \sin{(v)}\cos{(u)}$$

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You have that

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ye so sin (12/13) = ?

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like it is not a exact value

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$$\sin{(u+v)}= \frac{3}{5}\cos{(v)} + \frac{12}{13}\cos{(u)}$$

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Umbraleviathan

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Now you gotta find out what cos(v) and cos(u) is

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ohhhhhhhhh

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It states that sin(u) = 12/13

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yea ok

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So sine is opposite over hypotenuse

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imma try solve it

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So draw a right triangle

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YE

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Yeah

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cos of v is that

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ok

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I saw the v and thought "that's a really pointy u"

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$16x⁴-4x²+4x-1$

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yes?

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I have confusion

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yes all I see is a polynomial, and ?

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Factorize it

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Did you try factorizing it?

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,w 16x^4 - 4x^2 + 4x -1

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You need to show the numbers who is boss

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,w factor 16x^4 - 4x^2 + 4x -1

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Once click more

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Please post your attempt here

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note that $-4x^2+4x+1$ is the square of some expression

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Takumi

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you mean 4x^2 - 4x + 1

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Ans didn't came what's wrong here

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16x^4 - (4x^2 - 4x +1) = 16x^4 - (2x-1)^2 = (4x^2)^2 - (2x-1)^2

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You went from 4x - 1 to 2x^2 - 1^2, you magically made an x appear

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i thought 4 is square of 2

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But where does the extra x come from?

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,w factor 16x^4 - 4x^2 + 4x -1

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What I'm asking is, you started with 4x - 1, then wrote 2x^2 - 1^2, my question is how did it become x^2?

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Suppose n is an even and is an odd number

by the definition of odd n = 2j+1, and definition of even n = 2k

this means that n+m = (2k) + (2j+1) = 2j +2k +1 = 2(j+k)+1

thus n is of the form of 2k and m is 2j+1 , where the sum of n and m is equals to 2(j+k)+1. we conclude that n+m is odd.

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did i answer the no. 3 correctly? am i missing something?
also cut me some slack (this is my first time writing a proof)

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it's perfectly mathed and badly phrased

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Oooooh, thank youuuu maybe i should go to proof Chanel and request some advice how should i phrase it

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maybe mention $j, k \in \mathbb{Z}$

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where tho? in first sentence or in conclusion?

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When you define the 2 numbers

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how do I do part d

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How do I estimate the mean of a population from bucketed survey answers.

I’ve got a survey running and 5 discrete but differently sized buckets representing a continuous bounded positive variable

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I suppose you could do something like Σn_i*x_i/Σn_i where n_i is the number of observations in the i-th bucket and x_i is the midpoint of the i-th bucket. Although I don't know if there's a better, more standard way to do this

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Hi! Could someone help me out with this? :)

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Well you write an equation

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Why would you do that

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So your money multiplies by 1.01 each 3 months?

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oh yeah mb

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That's kind of where I'm stuck..

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Prove using cardinality definition that |AUB|=|A|+|B| if A and B are both disjoint and non empty finite sets

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If we suppose |A|=m and |B|=n then |AUB|=m+n so we need to prove that there is a bijection from N(m+n) to AUB

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I have class of 14 boys and 14 girls. They are going to the cinema. They are going to sit in single row which has 28 seats. In how many ways can they sit if following conditions are met:
we are going from left to right in a row
THESE PEOPLE CANT SIT IN THIS ORDER
• Iveta, Nina, Filip;
• Urban, Kika, Tomas, Maja;
• Silvia, Lenka, Emil, Denis.
but
THIS IS ALLOWED
. . . , Filip, Nina, Iveta, . . . ; . . . , Silvia, Lenka, Tomas, Emil, Denis, . . .

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basically we cant have group like this in row, in this order

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because first you say they can't and then you say it is allowed, which is it

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these exact substrings are not allowed

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permutations of them are fine and it's ok to have them as subsequences

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ok, thank you

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You can count the ways to seat all the attendees first
and subtract the ways to seat people in the way that isn't allowed

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i think we need to use PIE

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yeah that makes sense

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I think counting the "wrong" ways involves stars-and-bars with the 17 kids who can sit in any order

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is it $28! - (26!+ 25! + 25! - 25! - 25! - 23! + 20!)$ ?

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Michal

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i don't know, it's magic to me

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i don't think stars and bars are relvant

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yes, because order matters

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absolutely it is

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the 3 groups of kids who would be in the forbidden order is 3!

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no michal did the right thing, you glue them together and it becomes a smaller permutation, and you want to eliminate the double counted stuff

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the number of ways you can wedge those kids between the 17 kids who can sit in any order is stars-and-bars

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and the number of ways to permute the kids who can sit in any order is...I guess, 17!

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as often is the case, this sounds enormous

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principle of inclusion and exclusion

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28! all permutations

royal kiln
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26! permutations with first group

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25! permutations with second group

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25! permutations with third group

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then minus permutation of group 2 and 3 together

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etc

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we can directly get these "amounts"
A + AB + AC + ABC
B + AB + BC + ABC
C + AC + BC + ABC

AB + ABC
AC + ABC
BC + ABC

and there's like a certain interleaving that eliminates all the right stuff

kind dove
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last one, i add permutations of all groups

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but i can't verify if they did it right lmao

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hrm, this looks like a tidier method than I was thinking of, that's for sure

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hmm, i noticed that i incorrectly interpreted the problem

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I have class of 14 boys and 14 girls. They are going to the cinema. They are going to sit in single row which has 28 seats. In how many ways can they sit if following conditions are met:
we are going from left to right in a row
FOLLOWING GROUPS CANT SIT NEXT TO EACH OTHER
• Iveta, Nina, Filip;
• Urban, Kika, Tomas, Maja;
• Silvia, Lenka, Emil, Denis.
but
THIS IS ALLOWED
. . . , Filip, Nina, Iveta, . . . ; . . . , Silvia, Lenka, Tomas, Emil, Denis, . . .

royal kiln
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ok, so group composition can be permuted? and those cases would also not be allowed? I think that is assumed, right?

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sum of this

A + AB + AC +           ABC
B + AB            + BC + ABC
C +           AC + BC + ABC
``` minus sum of this```
AB + ABC
AC + ABC
BC + ABC

plus ABC

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yeah, Filip, Nina, Iveta is a permutation of a forbidden group, which makes it allowed

kind dove
buoyant shadow
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i think the allowed examples don't support this

kind dove
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in allowed example is a space between groups

royal kiln
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28! - [(28-(3-1))! + (28-(4-1))! + (28-(4-1))!] + (28-(3+4+4-1))!

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this is based on the wikipedia explanation.

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fuck, math got good on the internet

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well the first one is

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also note the semi colon

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it means you have two separate examples

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i got a different answer from you btw, i get 28! - (26! + 25! + 25! - 23! - 23! - 22! + 20!)

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no i mean from michal

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i'm looking into yours now

royal kiln
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well, my answer is astronomical still and there's really no way for me to feel-out how this should go

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I'm just trying to replicate the pattern

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oh.

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that last number should not be a factorial.

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in fact all of it is dumb, lemme try this again

kind dove
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idk

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the problem is not clear for me even in my native language

buoyant shadow
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after noticing the semicolon i'm like super certain we got it right at the beginning

kind dove
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hmm

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maybe yes

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for sure its meant for PIE

buoyant shadow
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. . . , Filip, Nina, Iveta, . . . is fine, the order is unforbidden

kind dove
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because its the last subtask...

buoyant shadow
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. . . , Silvia, Lenka, Tomas, Emil, Denis, . . . the order is forbidden but they are not all together so again fine

royal kiln
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okokok

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28! - [(28-(3-1))3! + (28-(4-1))4! + (28-(4-1))4!] + (28-(3+4+4-1))3!4!4!

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=28! - [26*3! + 25*4! + 25*4!] + 17*3!4!4!

kind dove
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hmm

royal kiln
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pretty sure that's more than there are stars in the universe

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3.04*10^29

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so...I'm skeptical

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oh...I forgot to factor in the other kids

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that will fix this

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28! - [(28-(3-1))3!25! + (28-(4-1))4!24! + (28-(4-1))4!24!] + (28-(3+4+4-1))3!4!4!17!

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nah, nevermind

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3.01724057785000942887763968 × 10^29

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too big. maybe

kind dove
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ok thank you guys, i will consult it with teacher and classmates

buoyant shadow
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but we basically agreed?

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it's just you're saying 25! is permutation of 2 groups together

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and i don't know how you got it, it should be smaller than for single groups

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26,25,25 and then 23,23,22

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hm

kind dove
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yes, my bad calculations

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awesome

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I think it's C... I'm not sure.

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Can you show how did you find C?

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vast obsidian
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Mhhhh

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Did you square r?

quaint spear
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yeah I think so

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That's what we're looking for, isn't it?

quaint spear
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so do I use that and plug in numbers for n that get bigger and bigger

vast obsidian
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No, you shouldn't do that as it's not a proof

quaint spear
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oh, what should i do instead?

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i was planning on plugging in 10, then 100, then 10000, to see what limit it gets close to

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You could technically do it in a multiple choice question, but practice is useful

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You could substitute n = 1/t

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What does t represent

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Geometrically? I don't think it is like something you could „find“

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But it makes the maths easier

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quaint spear
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Your equation helped a lot

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Do you mind helping with another? It's about rational equations.

vast obsidian
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It should be right. Do you want to learn how to proof it?

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Are you studying maths?

quaint spear
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It's okay, if I was going to continue taking this course for awhile then I'd say yes, but this course is ending and I won't be taking calculus next year

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Yea, precalc

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So what are you studying?

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Probably doesn't matter for you...

quaint spear
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I'm just studying functions and stuff, it's like review of everything we've learned in precalculus this year

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woah what you did was too advanced LOL

vast obsidian
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The limit ist just r^2*pi

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quaint spear
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i like the way you write lim

quaint spear
vast obsidian
quaint spear
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I'm in 11th grade too if thats what you meant

vast obsidian
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Well, I've just finished with school.

vast obsidian
quaint spear
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did i do this right? i think i did

vast obsidian
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Precalculus sounds like University for me as a german.

quaint spear
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ohh your german

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the only thing i can say in german is fick dich

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i forgot what it means

vast obsidian
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Don't say it ever again

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It is an severe insult.

quaint spear
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OMG really

vast obsidian
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The english translation of it sounds less hard (it's an insult)

quaint spear
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I just searched it up, I didn't know 😭

vast obsidian
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OK xd

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Where did you get to know it

quaint spear
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my german friend taught me it LOL

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OH and fotze

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i just remembered

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I'll probably need help later

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hey im doing this question who is willing to help?

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i mean

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i need to figure out whats Y

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the probability of winning in three different lotteries is
2/5, 1/100 and 1/20
what's the probability of winning in all three lotteries when you buy one ticket for each one

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I assume you just multiply all of them right?

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because they are independent of each other

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winning at one doesn't affect winning at the other

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and it says all of them so multiply

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I need help on which one it is :)

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E(n): dollars → euros
D(x): euros → UAE

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First of all you have to convert the dollars in euros and then you have to convert the euros in UAE

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Do you agree @quaint spear ?

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Yes that makes sense

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I dont know where to go from there though

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Ok

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Let's look at the notation first

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What does F o G mean?

quaint spear
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umm

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function of G

cedar rover
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Hmm

cedar rover
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if you plug something in, you have first to calculate g(x), then to get your output of g(x) and then to plug that in f(x)

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The inner part first

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did you understand?

quaint spear
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ohhh ok

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i see

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you have to subsitute it

cedar rover
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Yes

quaint spear
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I got A

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is a correct

cedar rover
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Yes

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well done

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but

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Remember!
f o g ≠ g o f

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F x G, instead, means that you have to simply multiply the two functions
and F x G = G x F

cedar rover
quaint spear
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ohhhhhh

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ok

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took me a while to

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process what ur saying

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but i get it

cedar rover
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I'm sorry my english is bad lol

quaint spear
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ur good at explaining stuff

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no its not!!

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ive been stuck on this and you explained it well

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do you mind helping me with one more? im trying to review for an important test

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Sure

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quaint spear
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thanks

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i got 0.75 but i'm scared its wrong

cedar rover
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How did you get that?

quaint spear
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i forgot i was putting random stuff in my calculator and combining equations i made

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or functions* ig

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whats the proper way to do that problem

cedar rover
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oh ok ahah

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quick question: the tax is calculated before or after the discount, after, right?

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but at the moment it does not matter

quaint spear
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after yea

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oh

cedar rover
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This question is about function composition, so what we just saw before

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How many functions do we need and what are those functions?

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Do you need help?

quaint spear
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the functions are the discount and tax and the area

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?

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😭

cedar rover
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what do you mean by area?

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oh, is that because the problem called the total amount "A"?

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@quaint spear ?

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yeah