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doesn't look like it
a = 30
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we cant do that for 19,2 = a*c^1 right
do what?
to find a = 30
Why would you want to find something you already know
You have a system of two equations with two unknowns
no it was just a question
You are trying to figure out the values of these 2 unknowns that make both equations true
You have figured out a = 30
You can use that information
alright
in the second equation
19,2 = 30*c^1
yes
0,64 = c^1
its 0,64
oh alr
USS-Enterprise
yeah lol
we found c now so we replace x by 8
What did you get
0,84
USS-Enterprise
yup
Notice how if you also input x = 0, 1, 2, 3
The y in the table matches the output you get
cause its exponential right
I mean, in a way
But because we found the right function
If the values didn't match, that would mean we had made a mistake
easy way to test yourself
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Can i get some help with this? I know how to do squeeze theorem but forget what to do with the fact its pi/x
So i just put it in as usual? ok
We only recent started it so i was unsure lol
Okay so working it out i have -root(x^3 + x^2) <= root(x^3 + x^2)sin(pi/2) <= root(x^3 + x^2). And working either of those out, they both are equal to zero, so its gotta be 0. Does that seem right?
more specifically, the limit as x goes to zero of the left and right functions go to 0
yes so its getting squeezed, as the name implies
would this be a satisfactory answer to the question though?
right
Okay nice. i do have one more i fear but its easier, more just making sure im actually understanding
When it comes to this, its l'hopital, yes? i dont quite understand how to do it
factoring is better
okay ill try that
t-1 is a common factor to both numerator and denominator so you do polynomial division
im struggling with the polynomial division, its been a while since i last did it. so like. we wanna divide t^4 - 1, by t-1. i lowkey forget how to do that so ill search it up rq i suppose
okay i got t^3 + t^2 + t + 1 for the numerator, and t^2 + t + 1 for denominator
,w factor x^4-1
,w expand (x+1)(x^2+1)
,w factor x^3-1
You notice
looks right
The (x-1) can cancel out
should just be able to plug in t=1 now
Yes
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yes but you did not do it correctly
Note it's not asking for the integrating factor, you're doing work you don't have to do
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im trying ti find Ax
A(x) is just the term multiplying y
You've already found it, it's A(x) = 7
Want to take a guess at B(x)?
e^-3x
Exactly!
Just looking for the integral of tan(x)? Remember that tan(x) = sin(x)/cos(x)
Can finish with u-sub
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how can i find the value of 2 log_8 1
8^x = 1^2
logₐ(1) always = 0 for 𝑎 > 1
?????
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anyone wanna walk through this with me? I'm like 90% sure I can do it I just wanna make sure I'm doing it right since I don't have a solution for it
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i tried 250cos(1/3x)+750and that did NOT work so idk what to do
plug in 15
youre missing a factor for the (1/3)x part
dont forget about the period of a cosine function
i dont really know how to get those
your vertical shift of +750 is correct, as is your amplitude of 250
so we have
y = 250 cos(something) + 750
we know that this something takes the form Bx
where B is the period of the function, which is 2pi divided by the frequency
the maximum frequency was heard 6 times on [0,15] so we can tell that 5 full cycles occurred
15 seconds / 5 cycles = 3
Then, B= 2pi/3
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How to find Q1 and Q3?
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What is critical point?
did you google it?
I tried but I didn't understand it@bungo.the.original
In the domain of function the point where it changes its direction
???
Or the derivative is 0
Example |x-1|/x^2
,w d/dx |x-1|/x^2
,w d/dx of |x-1|
Three points
I guess two points because 0 is not in the domain
Maybe you should plot the function
do you at least know stationary points for 2D graphs?
Critical points are points where function becomes undefined, functions derivative become zero or undefined
,w d/dx |x-1|/x^2
Critical points where derivative becomes zero are called stationary points too!
And what is critical point?
Where is first derivative is 0 no?
So this one is 0 at
for one variable functions, its where the first derivative is either 0 or undefined
for multivariable functions, its where all first partial derivatives are either 0 or undefined
1 and 2
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just dropping by to say that you should be very careful writing exponents at near full font size.
Oh
yeah also line spacing should be like double what you got
lwk multiply everything through by 2^x ?
you're on the right track though
2^2x + 16 -10(2^x) = 0 and solve the quadratic?
do this and also call 2^x by a new name like z
let this sink in for op now
Huh
try multiplying the entire equation by 2^x.
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,rccw
preferably, when asked to show {expression 1} = {expression 2}, you should try to manipulate just one side to achieve the other.
but if your syllabus allows manipulation of both sides simultaneously via reversible operations, then your methodology could work.
note that the question starts with the word "Hence".
normally, when questions start with that word, it is an indication to use the information you have or derived from the previous subquestions.
in this case, you have shown that the LHS of the equation is identical to the RHS in subquestion (1).
you are then given that the LHS of that equation is equal to some number.
what can you replace the LHS of the equation in (2) with to make it simpler?
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hii. so this is a graph and i just need a confirmation whether or not this is correct. if you need me to translate something lmk. va is vertical asymptote, ha is horizontal and ka is oblique as.
'ekstremi' means extremes and 'nema rj' means no result
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what are we looking for here?
this one checks out
im so sorry i didnt get a notification
i am not entirely sure. i am just supposed to calculate a graph and to draw it?
you're asked to graph it?
i basically need a domain, zeros, asymptotes and extremes and then draw it
is it also asking to label asymptotes and/or intercepts?
i believe so
i see
yeah which is why i drew the zero point intercept or whtv it's called on 2 and all the other lines which are just vertical asymptotes
so is the graph drawn well?
cuz if it's not i have this variation as well
and is it correct?
you suddenly dip down on an x intercept?
yeah this is another one i've drawn if the first one isn't correct
yeah idrk how to read the VA that well. so im taking it that the 2nd picture is supposed to be wrong
this variation is almost correct
this part is
wrong
but aside from that you should use your latest variation
cause that's the correct one
what's wrong there
as per why, well it's not continuous
what does that mean
i think they wont look at that that much tbh
is this one correct?
i got deducted 2 points because i made a sharp turn in my graph
oh
well i've calculated that the extreme has no solutions but got root72 insteas of -40 so that sucks. that's 1 point despite an accurate result. the other part where i've failed is the graph ig
istg if i fail math i'll die

just keep doing practice problems and you'll be fine
chatgpt told me it was wrong as well and proceeded to draw my graph. oh wait.. he for some reason made it go through 0?? huh??? but my professor told us and chatgpt that if there is a zero point that it should go through it?.. i'm so confused
this is because..
HAs only describe the END behaviour
in between the HAs almost anything is fair game
i'd reccomend using test values to check
yeah idk how to use that
wait, so is my problem is that i'm too close to x and that i did a sharp turn?
yes
you're supposed to transition smoothly through the x intercept
if you know what i mean
sorta like this ig
he most likely will
but how was i supposed to know ts
i think that i did give it a little more space on my exam haha
definition of a function
but i dont rmb if i drew the first or the 2nd graph though lol
one of them is that it's continuous
i swear if i lose like 4 points and i have 3 extra points and not enough for a passing grade i'll die
so if this entire task is 20 points. how many points do u think i'd lose from only that part? cuz the other parts of my graph and calculations are correct
i'd say
around 3-5
depends on how important the graph is
i did have to calculate the domain, zero points, asymptotes, extremes, write all that correctly and draw it on the graph which is did except for the 2 lines in the middle. do you rly think i'd lose so many points for that?
thats how much i normally lose
but why is the left graph going down
instead of up
did i miscalculate smth or what
let me calculate it again
i got the correct drawing now
the thing is.. i dont remember how i drew it
i think i might've been drew it this way bcz i rmb paying attention to the 3,99 4,01 -3,01 -2,99... and that is how i drew this graph correctly.. if only i could remember
still wrong sadly
sharp turn?
eh whatever i cant remember. let's just pray i drew it correctly
only God can save me now
thanks for ur time. i appreciate it
ok
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Ankita travels 14 km to her home partly by rickshaw and partly by bus She takes half an hour if she travels 2 km by rickshaw and remaining distance by bus . On the other hand , if she travels 4 km by by rickshaw and takes 9 mins longer Find the speed of the rickshaw and of the bus .
Need guidance how to solve such kind of question
probably easiest thing to do here is to say the rickhsaw travels R km/h, and the bus travels B km/h
and set up a system of equations
took x and y respectively
actually you might choose to say the rickshaw travels at R h/km instead, probably easier to work the numbers
okay, that's fine. can you set up the equations?
i tried making 2 equations but got stuck at point which makes me think my equations are wrong
i am sharing just wait a moment i am on laptop with no camera so it's little hard to share my progress
equation 1
eq 2
i took the time on one side and added the time taken my both vehicals
after converting it into distance/speed
right ok yea so
you kinda rocked yourself a little here
but if you write it like this
Are the equations correct?
$4(\f1x) + 16(\f1y) = \f{13}{20}$ etc
hayliänus austrǎlis
ahh i am confused how do i solve it further? taking 4 common?
well clearing denominators by multiplying by 20 could be nice, but the point is that you take "1/x" as a Thing
and solve for 1/x and 1/y like you would any system of equations
you can even replace 1/x with X (capital) if you want
oh alr got it
let me solve it further like that then
after trying to solve it further i am getting q(1/y) = 7/320 by using elimination methord
which i think might be wrong i think
i took 1/7 as q it is not multiplied up there
oh wait i might have realised by mistake
q?
i took 1/x as p
and 1/y as q
i did 12*2 = 32 by mistake let me correct it
but still getting 7/160
as q
i did this , is this correct?
i tried to elimination of p in this
by multiplying 2p+12q=1/2
into 2
but after doing that and then using elimination
i am getting
8q=7/20
trouble is on the rhs side i think
what's wrong with it
how will i solve 8q=7/20 further?
well
it will become very complex
seeing as you're multiplying 8 by q, how about try dividing by 8
sure
and so now we have 1/y = 7/160
so we can do a little upsy daisy and say y = 160/7
yep
in what units?
km/h
hmm i think i did it wrong
when i subsitute value of y=160/8 into equation
i get x=-80
and it's impossibel for speed to be in negative
i am doing mistake in elimination i think
no i get the same from your system
let me check over what you did
oh 16q is wrong
should be 10q
This isn't that hard want me to solve it for you in paper?
it's my first time here im new here
in this server
hmm actually i wanted to learn step by step how to solve such problem i do not just want the solution
oh
k so im in 10th grade so we were thought 2 ways of solving this problem One is the elimination method and the other is substitution method and they both work perfectly fine in these simultaneous pairs of linear equations
which grade are you in by the way
I mean I'm not really a good teacher but I can try to make you understand
i got it
in the equation
i wrote 16q
the remaining distance was 10 km not 16
that why i was getting stuck
This one This one is easy we did in class
so how are preparations for boards?
hey shado i appreciate your help but i think we're pretty much there
it's from a combined sample paper Ik
i am in 9 th i am studying 10 th material
why tho?
k well...
kk take ur time
y=40 km/h speed of bus
x=10 km/h
finally solved
@hard crest Thank you very much for helping

so basically bhaiya i want to go for iit
and there are some class mates of mine who are literally preparing for jee since class 6 th
now they have completed the whole syllabus of 10 th
and heading to study for 11 th instead of preparing for 9 th final
since they have already study all that long ago
so i also started studying 10 th material as soon as i finished 9 th
so i can also head on 11 th
and start preparing for jee as soon as possible
seeing the compition
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nice ambition u aiming JEE?
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me too planning to take PW jee arjuna batch in 11th
ok
offline batches are better
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well nvm btw
what batch should i take
when i go in 11 th?
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So I'm self-studying math right now in order to prepare for my math test next week and I'm currently stuck on a problem in my math book. Since it's in Norwegian I will try to translate closely as possible over to english.
A company got a bill of 47500 kr (Norwegian kr to clarify), to repair a roof of one of the city farms.
The company has 20000kr in their account and bills out around 2500kr for every apartment.
So I solved problem A to make a model being K(x) = 2500x + 20000kr
Now I'm stuck on problem B to find the area of validity. I thought I managed to solve it by doing 2500x/2500 which ends up being 0 since X, and then 20000kr/2500 which is 8. So the X would be between 0 and 8.
The issue here is, once I looked at the answer sheet in the book, it says it's supposed to be that X is between 0 and 16. So I don't quite understand how it became like that. I feel like I'm missing something in order to solve it and I been wrapped around this problem for a while now.
I cannot use any assisted tools like calculator and etc. I can only do it written.
Please show the original problem, exactly as it was stated to you, with the entire original context. A picture or screenshot is best. If the original problem is not in English, then post it anyway! The additional context might still be helpful. Do your best to provide a translation.
In the first picture is the one I’m doing, the second picture is doing similiar problem in a different section of the book.
In text format:
Et borettslag med 16 leiligheter har fått en regning på 47500kr for reparasjoner av taket på en av bygårdene. Borettslaget har 20000kr på konto og sender i tillegg ut en faktura på 2500kr til hver leilighetene.
Problem A) Lag en modell, K(x), som viser hvor mye borettslaget har på konto etter at x leiligheter har betalt fakturaen. So K(x) = 2500x + 20000kr.
Problem B) (Which I'm currently stuck at), Bestem et gyldighetsområde for modellen.
So I attempted 2500x/2500 which is 0 due to X, then do 20000/2500, which becomes 8. I don't know if the answer sheet is wrong or if it's correct, but the supposed answer is that X is between 0 and 16. I don't really know how they got that answer at all. It feels like I'm missing something to solve it.
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Gonna attempt the other problems by myself, but I can't find out how the X is between 0 and 16. I've been trying to brainstorm any possible solutions to find the part that I'm missing in order to solve it.
Nvm, I think I managed to solve it. Since X is between 0 and 8, then the y has to be 16. (0, 16).
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i know the method to solve this but kinda bad at it
Elaborate
$\frac{5^2}{625^5}$?
Nicole
yes
so what is your confusion with this?
so um 5^2 ÷ 625^5 = 5^2 ÷ (5^4)^5
so now i cant find the answer, it shows some random ass letters and symbols on cal
scoob
use the power of power rule to settle the denominator first.
ok
then it should be clear how to proceed.
correct.
ok so the answer results 5^-18
looks good.
ok, thanks i couldnt verify, cal shows something weird i havent learnt
Good time to stop using the division symbol by the way
Or things will get annoying (and confusing)
oh yeah but it was hard to do it in the #bots
prefer using a fraction to express division.
,, \frac ab
#latex-testing is a good place to experiment too!
Thats the LaTeX command if you are curious
hm ok
isn't this with a preamble?
thank you guys, now should i close this or its alright
,, \frac ab
Nicole
Yeah close it
oh, interesting. I'm more used to math mode.
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so i would wanna right it like this right?
yes, preferably.
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The drawing in notebook is mine with the auxiliary construction, the other with a zoom and that hasn't the line CD, is the original from the original problem.
Hypothesis or Data: 1. AD is perpendicular to AB, 2. BC is perpendicular to AB. 3. AD ll BC. Auxiliary Construction: It draws a perpendicular from vertex C to D this perpendicular will be called CD. Thesis: Prove that ABCD is a rectangle.
I want someone to check if my proof is correct
The right is the original drawing, the left is mine with the auxiliary construction
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yess
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read the ticket info, it says "ping helpers once after 15 mins if no one comes"
Bro it happens 2 hrs
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Hypothesis or Data: 1. AD is perpendicular to AB, 2. BC is perpendicular to AB. 3. AD ll BC. Auxiliary Construction: It draws a perpendicular from vertex C to D this perpendicular will be called CD. Thesis: Prove that ABCD is a rectangle.
The right is the original drawing, the left is mine with the auxiliary construction
its only a bit correct
Your written proof does not explicitly justify:
Why CD ∥ AB
Why having two pairs of parallel sides + right angle ⇒ rectangle
Since AD ⟂ AB and BC ⟂ AB, we get AD ∥ BC.
Construct CD ⟂ AD. Since AD ⟂ AB, CD ∥ AB.
Thus, opposite sides are parallel and one angle is right.
Hence, ABCD is a rectangle.
use this it would be good
Oh so the form that i write is wrong but the purpose is good we can say??
It's insufficient, it can only show ABCD is a right trapezoid
Well no, because all 4 right angles, in a right trapezoid 2 are right and 2 obtuse
How can you show there're 4 right angles
Well by the hypothesis CB is perpendicular to AB, and AD is perpendicular to AB and as CD is a perpendicular, CD is perpendicular to CB and AD
Now you have to show why CD is perpendicular to CB
That would be all you need to complete the proof
Lol no
Yeah but CD is a perpendicular from vertex C to D, so CD is perpendicular og CB and AD
bro we can construct CD perpendicular AD and since AD is already perpendicular to AB, we willl have CD parallel to AB
Yes we will but your job is to show why
I meant OP's
Emm, what is OP's?
both pairs of opposite sides are parallel, so ABCD is parallelogram and because DAB = 90*, ABCD IS rectangle
Yeah I have no idea what you meant here ngl
Original Poster, in this case you
im just gonna send the whole solution
!nosols lol
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oopss
Why do you think I'am doing this for
it slipped from my mindd
Gimme 10 min
hm
And i'll write it and check
Me pls
To finish this odyssey
@sudden seal @naive dragon
Only check me
Pls
And we finish this odyssey
The wording in this problem is weird, so CD perpendicular to AD is what given
Yeah that seems good
Ok
Finally
So
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hello
what is your question
You were on the right track to solve the question tho?
was i?
Im 90 percent sure
Like assume the case where tanx is not 0 and cancel out the numerator?
@verbal flare
uhh
yea im still here
im racking my brain

what d you mean assume the case where tanx is not 0 bruhhhhhh
not like im criticizing you but i cant seem to understand
if tan(x) is zero you would be dividing by zero
I mean divide both sides by tanx yk and you cant divide by 0
but because it is stated in the original equation that tan(x) is in the denominator we can assume it is not zero
We dont have to assume ig its just given because of the original equation
ok
isa.
Yes that would help
so
hold on ill be back
i need to reset my ipad
because of some keyflicks
so
$(2tan x/1-tan^2x)/tanx$
isa.
Correct
alr thx
Youve got it from here?
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000.33333333330000*10⁹
I understand I have to multiply, but I don't understand how
I haven't done any math in three years because I dropped out of middle school, so I was trying to refresh my memory before getting back into school but everything looks scary and confusing, I asked around for help and I still couldn't understand a lot of it
shift the dot right 9 times
Like this?
000333333333.30000
remove the 10^9 here but yes
just 000333333333.30000
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Are there any alternative ways to find the matrices A^2 A^3 A^4 etc to compute Bn matrix while solving the questions of path matrix? Manually counting the paths causes a lot of error in exams, so was wondering if there are alternative ways to find those matrices easily
Well, there's matrix multiplication
Especially if you have access to a graphing calculator during exams
my calculator can only hold upto only 3*3 matrix 💀
ugh there are no other ways?
Well you don't need to find A^3 to find A^4
You can just square A^2 again
But if you don't have a calculator that can handle them then as far as I know it's manual matrix mult or count paths
What kind of calculator do you even have
a basic scientific calculator
oh I didn't know those had matrices at all
welp if you're allowed to use a graphing calculator you can buy one or see if you can borrow one
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I’m stuck on this question bc I can’t find any common factors between 2 & 9
what does the question ask to do
factor?
-# completing the square's the best shot
the problem is theres no RHS
unless you assume all this is 0
then it has to be factorizing
mid-term?
oops
i got several methods to introduce
3 specifically
do you know what mid-term factorization is?
this is 1 method
but i don't really use that
Me neither, actually in Italy we aren't even taught it
I do completing square if one value of x is a fraction
otherwise its mid term
its a matter of preference really
that's the second method, but i only use that in 1-variable quadratic inequalities questions and some other questions
the 3rd method is the one i use the most
it's to find the roots of the polynomial
It’s Triomal factoring
then you are looking for mid term split i assume
multiply 2 with -9. the 2 numbers you need to find should add together to get 3 and multiply to get -18
have you factorised quadratic before?
Do you have your class notes on that topic? If so, can you send them?
-# too many people i back out
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Yeah that’s where I’m stuck. I used 2(-9) to get -18 but idk what I’m supposed to do with that 3 afterwards? I never saw my teacher use the C. The next equation would be smth like:
(2p^2 -9) (2p-9)
what were trying to do with split up the 3
into 2 new factors/things
so when you split it, the numbers should multiply to -18 and add up to 3
search up on google for midsplit
uh wait let me doodle it for you
$x^2 - 5x + 6$ for example
1 divided by 0 equals Infinity
two numbers that times to $1 \cdot 6$ and add up to $-5$ is $-2$ and $-3$
1 divided by 0 equals Infinity
so i'd split $x^2 - 5x + 6$ into $x^2 - 2x - 3x + 6$
1 divided by 0 equals Infinity
$= x(x - 2) - 3(x - 2) = (x - 2)(x - 3)$
1 divided by 0 equals Infinity
done factorizing
lol
oh my doodle
online lagrida if you know $\LaTeX$
1 divided by 0 equals Infinity
I understood everything but what that last row is supposed to say
well idk
u + y are 2 numbers that add up to 3
and times to make -18 i suppose?
@quiet hollow
I already have my -18 by doing 9(-2)
.
I know $0$ LaTeX
noonebtw
9 + (-2) is not equal to 3
you just knew a lil bit
refer to this example @quiet hollow
hint: both are divisible by 3
that's why you put u and y
smart
i have 2 more ways to introduce dw
thats x
complete the square
but close enough 😆
and find the roots
I used an X method
eh?
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i can still do it without the RHS
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Hello, could someone check if this proof looks good please?
```latex
\begin{Theorem}
Assume $n \in \bZ$. If $5n^2 + 3$ is even, then $n$ is odd.
\end{Theorem}
\begin{proof}
We use the contrapositive.
Suppose $n$ is even.
Then, $n = 2k$ for some integer $k$.
So, $5n^2 + 3 = 5(2k)^2 + 3 = 20k^2 + 2 + 1 = 2(10k^2 + 1) + 1$.
Since $k$ is an integer, so is $10k^2 + 1$.
Then, $5n^2 + 3 = 2l + 1$, where $l = 10k^2 + 1$.
Thus, by the definition of odd integers, $5n^2 + 3$ is odd.
Therefore, by the contrapositive, if $5n^2 + 3$ is even, then $n$ is odd.
\end{proof}
Mor Bras
Maybe explicitly state the contrapositive? But this is fine.
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Hello, could someone check if this proof looks good please?
```latex
\begin{Theorem}
Assume $n \in \bZ$. If $8 \nmid (n^2 - 1)$, then $n$ is even.
\end{Theorem}
\begin{proof}
We use the contrapositive.
Suppose $n$ is odd.
Then, $n = 2(2k) + 1 = 4k + 1$ for some integer $k$.
So, $n^2 - 1 = (4k + 1)^2 - 1 = 16k^2 + 8k + 1 - 1 = 8(2k^2 + k)$.
Since $k$ is an integer, so is $2k^2 + k$.
Thus, by the definition of divisibility, $8 \mid n^2 - 1$.
Therefore, by the contrapositive, if $8 \nmid (n^2 - 1)$, then $n$ is even.
\end{proof}
Mor Bras
Suppose n is odd: I'll choose n = 3.
You suggest that 3 = 4k + 1 for some integer k. What's k?
I see that n is not just any odd, but a specific odd. An odd kind of odd
But ultimately you've now proven that if 8 doesn't divide (n² - 1), then n is not of the form 4k + 1
Yes, I see
After fixing the part Kaynex mentioned you'll probably have just one extra step, but otherwise the proof looks nice
I'm writing a fix for this
Here's the fix:
```latex
\begin{Theorem}
Assume $n \in \bZ$. If $8 \nmid (n^2 - 1)$, then $n$ is even.
\end{Theorem}
\begin{proof}
We use the contrapositive.
Suppose $n$ is odd.
Then, $n = 2k + 1$ for some integer $k$.
Now, either $k$ is even or odd.
\begin{case}
Suppose $k$ is even.
Then, $k = 2l$ for some integer $l$, and then $n = 2(2l) + 1 = 4l + 1$.
So, $n^2 - 1 = (4l + 1)^2 - 1 = 16l^2 + 8l + 1 - 1 = 8(2l^2 + l)$.
Since $l$ is an integer, so is $2l^2 + l$.
Thus, by the definition of divisibility, $8 \mid n^2 - 1$.
\end{case}
\begin{case}
Suppose $k$ is odd.
Then, $k = 2l + 1$ for some integer $l$, and then $n = 2(2l + 1) + 1 = 4l + 3$.
So, $n^2 - 1 = (4l + 3)^2 - 1 = 16l^2 + 24l + 9 - 1 = 8(2l^2 + 24l + 1)$.
Since $l$ is an integer, so is $2l^2 + 24l + 1$.
Thus, by the definition of divisibility, $8 \mid n^2 - 1$.
\end{case}
In both cases, we have that if $n$ is odd, then $8 \mid n^2 - 1$.
Therefore, by the contrapositive, if $8 \nmid (n^2 - 1)$, then $n$ is even.
\end{proof}
Mor Bras
Fixed 👌
```latex
\begin{proof}
We use the contrapositive.
Suppose $n$ is odd.
Then, $n = 2k + 1$ for some integer $k$.
Now, either $k$ is even or odd.
\begin{case}
Suppose $k$ is even.
Then, $k = 2l$ for some integer $l$, and then $n = 2(2l) + 1 = 4l + 1$.
So, $n^2 - 1 = (4l + 1)^2 - 1 = 16l^2 + 8l + 1 - 1 = 8(2l^2 + l)$.
Since $l$ is an integer, so is $2l^2 + l$.
Thus, by the definition of divisibility, $8 \mid n^2 - 1$.
\end{case}
\begin{case}
Suppose $k$ is odd.
Then, $k = 2l + 1$ for some integer $l$, and then $n = 2(2l + 1) + 1 = 4l + 3$.
So, $n^2 - 1 = (4l + 3)^2 - 1 = 16l^2 + 24l + 9 - 1 = 8(2l^2 + 3l + 1)$.
Since $l$ is an integer, so is $2l^2 + 3l + 1$.
Thus, by the definition of divisibility, $8 \mid n^2 - 1$.
\end{case}
In both cases, we have that if $n$ is odd, then $8 \mid n^2 - 1$.
Therefore, by the contrapositive, if $8 \nmid (n^2 - 1)$, then $n$ is even.
\end{proof}
looks good besides that one issue
Mor Bras
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How come we don't times the ^-2 or 2 to the imaginary ^1 the 1 has
what?
Or is that not a rule in these kind of situations
what 1?
I am sorry I just don't understand what you meant
So I can't answer that
Wait I think I understand
Ah
are you talking about like (a^b)^c = a^(bc)?
Because like I know 1^2 is just 1
But don't that 1 really have a ^1 to it too
i guess but it doesn't make a difference
(stuff² = stuff × stuff)
But maybe I should have done that first
Should I have flipped to get rid of the ^- first
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You can choose the order you prefer, because $(a^b)^c = (a^c)^b$, since they both equal $a^{bc}$
Alberto Z.
(That happens because b•c = c•b, since multiplication is commutative)
I'm just confused because -1^-2 is -1
And then the exponent would be -1^-2
Because that 1 has an ^1 and the ^-2 times it which then again just gives you negative one
So that's why I'm wondering if flipping first just idk
Because if I flip it now I still get stuck with a -1
WAOT
No
$$(-1)^{-2} \neq -1^{-2}$$
Bc -1*-1 is 1
Alberto Z.
$$(-1)^{-2} = \frac{1}{(-1)^2} = \frac{1}{(-1) \times (-1)} = \frac11 = 1$$
Alberto Z.
Wdym, sorry?
Doesnt the 1 have an imaginary exponent of 1?
Is that an example
Yes
It's just my fault I over think and complicate everything lol
I think I'm okay
Thank you guys I'm sorry that was stupid
I think
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Hello, could someone check if this proof looks good please?
```latex
\begin{Theorem}
Assume $m,n \in \bZ$. If $m^2(n^2 + 5)$ is even, then $m$ is even or $n$ is odd.
\end{Theorem}
\begin{proof}
We use the contrapositive.
Suppose $m$ is odd and $n$ is even.
Then, by the definition of odd and even integers, $m = 2k + 1$ and $n = 2l$ for some integers $k$ and $l$.
And so,
\begin{align*}
m^2(n^2 + 5) &= (2k + 1)^2((2l)^2 + 5)\
&= (2k^2 + 4k + 1)(4l^2 + 5)\
&= 16k^2l^2 + 20k^2 + 16kl^2 + 20k + 4l^2 + 4 + 1\
&= 2(8k^2l^2 + 10k^2 + 8kl^2 + 10k + 2l^2 + 2) + 1\
\end{align*}
Since $k$ and $l$ are integers, so is $8k^2l^2 + 10k^2 + 8kl^2 + 10k + 2l^2 + 2$.
Thus, by the definition of odd integers, $m^2(n^2 + 5)$ is odd.
Therefore, by the contrapositive, if $m^2(n^2 + 5)$ is even, then $m$ is even or $n$ is odd.
\end{proof}
Typo: fixed 👌
the claim is supposed to say 5 instead of 1?
The theorem states m^2(n^2 + 5)
ok so typos in conclusions too
Fixed
,w expand (2k+1)^2((2l)^2+5)
I think you've way overcomplicated this
Mor Bras
Like the approach is technically correct but a bit overkill I think
I would do assume m^2 (n^2 + 5) is even, and assume m is odd.
Goal: Show n is odd
the algebra is right so proof is good
For sure, nevertheless, it was the only way I knew how to proceed
m odd and n even are a give by the contrapositive
That way doesn't use the contrapositive
if you want to try that approach it's a direct proof
The exercise stated to use the contrapositive
oh I see
Otherwise, by direct proof, then only given is that m2(n2 + 5) is even
and assuming m is odd
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Why m odd can de assumed?
An equivalent statement to (P or Q) is (not P) implies Q
Direct proof is:
- Assume m^2(n^2+5) is even
- Show m is even OR n is odd
You can do step 2 by assuming m is odd implies n is odd
Assuming m odd makes "m odd or n even" true automatically, isnt it?
Oh I see
Yes
Thanks for the advice!
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Hello, could someone check if this proof looks good please?
```latex
\begin{Theorem}
Assume $m,n \in \bZ$. If $(m^2 + 4)(n^2 - 2mn)$ is odd, then $m$ and $n$ are even.
\end{Theorem}
\begin{proof}
We use the contrapositive.
Suppose either $m$ is odd or $n$ is odd.
\begin{case}
Assume $m$ is odd.
Then, by the definition of odd integers, $m = 2k + 1$ for an integer $k$.
So, $(m^2 + 4)(n^2 - 2mn) = (4k^2 + 4)(n^2 - 4kn) = 2(2k^2 + 2)(n^2 - 4kn)$.
Since $k$ and $n$ are integers, so is $(2k^2 + 2)(n^2 - 4kn)$.
Thus, by definition of even integers, $(m^2 + 4)(n^2 - 2mn)$ is even.
\end{case}
\begin{case}
Now assume $n$ is odd.
Then, by the definition of odd integers, $n = 2k + 1$ for an integer $k$.
So, $(m^2 + 4)(n^2 - 2mn) = (m^2 + 4)(4k^2 - 4mk) = 2(m^2 + 4)(2k^2 - 2mk)$.
Since $k$ and $m$ are integers, so is $(m^2 + 4)(2k^2 - 2mk)$.
Thus, by definition of even integers, $(m^2 + 4)(n^2 - 2mn)$ is even.
\end{case}
We showed that if $m$ is odd or $n$ is odd, then $(m^2 + 4)(n^2 - 2mn)$ is even.
Therefore, by the contrapositive, if $(m^2 + 4)(n^2 - 2mn)$ is odd, then $m$ and $n$ is even.
\end{proof}
Mor Bras
it's probably fine but you've posted a lot of these very sledgehammery proofs so far. Do you not have something that says if an odd number is equal to a * b, then both a and b must be odd?
Not really, as far as I can see
wait it's not fine, i don't get this part --- it looks like you've assumed m = 2k?
wait this isn't even true
m = n = 1
(m^2 + 4)n(n-2m) = 5 * 1 * -1 = -5
I made a mistake typing the theorem and the proof, let me fix it
it also seems like you may find it useful to check your own proofs
while we can give you second opinions, it's always good to be able to do so without external assistance (or with minimal assistance)
esp. on typos and algebra mistakes
```latex
\begin{Theorem}
Assume $m,n \in \bZ$. If $(m^2 + 4)(n^2 - 2mn)$ is odd, then $m$ and $n$ are odd.
\end{Theorem}
\begin{proof}
We use the contrapositive.
Suppose either $m$ is even or $n$ is even.
\begin{case}
Assume $m$ is even.
Then, by the definition of even integers, $m = 2k$ for an integer $k$.
So, $(m^2 + 4)(n^2 - 2mn) = (4k^2 + 4)(n^2 - 4kn) = 2(2k^2 + 2)(n^2 - 4kn)$.
Since $k$ and $n$ are integers, so is $(2k^2 + 2)(n^2 - 4kn)$.
Thus, by definition of even integers, $(m^2 + 4)(n^2 - 2mn)$ is even.
\end{case}
\begin{case}
Now assume $n$ is even.
Then, by the definition of even integers, $n = 2k$ for an integer $k$.
So, $(m^2 + 4)(n^2 - 2mn) = (m^2 + 4)(4k^2 - 4mk) = 2(m^2 + 4)(2k^2 - 2mk)$.
Since $k$ and $m$ are integers, so is $(m^2 + 4)(2k^2 - 2mk)$.
Thus, by definition of even integers, $(m^2 + 4)(n^2 - 2mn)$ is even.
\end{case}
We showed that if $m$ is even or $n$ is even, then $(m^2 + 4)(n^2 - 2mn)$ is even.
Therefore, by the contrapositive, if $(m^2 + 4)(n^2 - 2mn)$ is odd, then $m$ and $n$ is even.
\end{proof}
Mor Bras
maybe on your next attempt, you can show what you think is mistaken that warrants a second opinion from us
helps build your self-confidence too
I understand that, when writing, it's useful to check one's writing before requiring assistant to check the writing, specially for long writings
mhm. the idea is that you can produce and verify proofs
I don't see anything wrong on a skim but I'm outside atm
I also understand the work volunteers put in checking my work whenever possible, and I appreciate it whenever someone reads and point out the errors, or give their approval, so thank you for your time!
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is there a way to simplify general solutions for linear diophantine equations? when finding a solution, using the euclidian algorithm is kinda annoying sometimes as it gives rise to larger numbers, which create problems when dealing with stuff like finding the smallest positive integer solution,
for example i was doing this problem:
Mr smith cashed in a cheque in a bank, the teller mistook the number of cents for number of dollars and vice versa. Unaware of this, he spent 68 cents and then noticed that he had twice the amount of the original cheque. determine the smallest value the cheque couldve been written
let x=$, y=¢, then i got the general solution as x=2254-98t and y=4554-199t, which is pretty much impossible to do cuz there is a solution but its from a non integer value of t which is impossible to guess
well its js messy rough work, but u can understand, the minimum value is $10.21, which cant be obtained the general solution i have with integral values of t
if you can't get this with integer t then your general solution must not be as general as you claim
so you must have screwed up somewhere
but diagnosis requires seeing all of your work laid out clearly
yeah, im asking HOW to make it more general (this is my alt )