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valid jetty
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alr

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@barren bronze

barren bronze
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Yes

valid jetty
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how good is ur vectors?

barren bronze
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Ehm took me like 10 tries to draw what Cnidarian posted

valid jetty
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oof

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alr think of it like this

barren bronze
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so not so good but i kinda get how they work in this scenario

valid jetty
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which direction is the arrow facing

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right or left

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?

barren bronze
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right

valid jetty
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so theres a right side component

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now is the arrow facing up or down

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?

barren bronze
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down

valid jetty
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so theres a down component

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got it till here?

barren bronze
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Yes think so

valid jetty
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now how good is ur trigo?

barren bronze
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Its Sin 45 and Cos 45

valid jetty
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which is which?

barren bronze
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Fv is F sin 45

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And Fh is F Cos 45

valid jetty
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ok good

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from question

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they gave f =?

barren bronze
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280 N

valid jetty
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good

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now how much is sin 45?

barren bronze
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.7 is sin 45

valid jetty
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uh

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alr ig

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idk the point values

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i just write it as 1/root2

barren bronze
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I mean 280 x sin 45 = roughly 198

valid jetty
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so thats ur answer

barren bronze
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yes 198 N

valid jetty
barren bronze
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Damm so horizontal is just cos 45. ok how about the weight?

valid jetty
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now coming to weight

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they gave u mass as 50kg

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now listen here

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when u stand on a weighing machine what do u think it measures?

barren bronze
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my mass

valid jetty
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no

barren bronze
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newtons

valid jetty
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it measures ur weight

barren bronze
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50 kg x 10 right ?

valid jetty
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weight is a force

valid jetty
barren bronze
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So 500 N

valid jetty
valid jetty
barren bronze
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do we remove 280 since we are pushing?

valid jetty
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but it might change if ur book took g = 9.8

valid jetty
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one sec

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no

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if they ask apparent weight then u remove

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no in this case u actually add the vertical component force

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as weight and force r same direction

barren bronze
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oh wait its 50 x 9.8 not 10

valid jetty
barren bronze
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490 Newtons is the weight

valid jetty
valid jetty
barren bronze
valid jetty
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alr so

barren bronze
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last one?

valid jetty
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the weight acts downwards ryt

barren bronze
valid jetty
valid jetty
barren bronze
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which force?

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you mena Fv

valid jetty
valid jetty
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fv

barren bronze
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197 N?

valid jetty
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since both r acting on same direction

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u add

barren bronze
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So 197+490 = 687

valid jetty
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yes

barren bronze
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so normal force must be 687

valid jetty
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that is the total force on the grounf

valid jetty
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that is normal force

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alr now coming to the last one

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do u know how friction works?

barren bronze
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its opposite to the pushing force

valid jetty
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uhh

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no

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dont think of it like that

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friction is always opposing motion

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so if not for friction
normal which direction would this body move?

barren bronze
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just forward

valid jetty
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so it moves forward

valid jetty
barren bronze
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Backward

valid jetty
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good

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do u know value of friction?

barren bronze
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not for this question no

valid jetty
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how its magnitude is calculated

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alr listen

barren bronze
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Should i use this formula

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,rotate

flat frigateBOT
valid jetty
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theres this thing coeffecient of friction which is notioned with mu( the sign)

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friction is always equal to mu multiplied by normal force

barren bronze
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yeah in this case its mu d

valid jetty
barren bronze
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dynamic friction

valid jetty
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oh ok that was prefix

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yea

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mu d

barren bronze
valid jetty
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now listen here

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the crucial word in the question is

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constant velocity

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what does that mean?

barren bronze
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Same speed

valid jetty
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what it also means is that

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the acceleration is zero

barren bronze
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Yes

valid jetty
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only then its possible

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so we have a condition that acceleration is zero

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doesnt that mean net force is also zero?

barren bronze
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but net force cent be zero if its still moving right?

barren bronze
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Idk

valid jetty
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if theres force means its accelerating

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means speed is changing

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but thats not the case

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net force acting on the body is zero

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becuz speed is constan

barren bronze
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we know the friction force?

valid jetty
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as acceleration is zero

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force is zero

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as f = ma

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then u get this equation

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fh - (mu d ) * N = 0

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we know fh

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we know normal

barren bronze
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Ya 198

valid jetty
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cant u find mu d?

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so we get

barren bronze
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198/688

valid jetty
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fh = ( mu d ) * N

barren bronze
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fh/N

valid jetty
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yes

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one more interesting thing

barren bronze
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YES

valid jetty
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coeffecient of friction is always b/w 0 and 1

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its a fractional value

valid jetty
barren bronze
valid jetty
barren bronze
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so i draw the free body diagram first?

valid jetty
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split everything into x and y components

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and then find normal and based on question react

barren bronze
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And this was right?

barren bronze
valid jetty
valid jetty
barren bronze
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Fh is right and Fv is down

valid jetty
barren bronze
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Aight imma have to go but yeah it makes more sense now imma have to practise more though

barren bronze
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thanks for your patience man ,ur a real one🫡

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can i add u bro

valid jetty
valid jetty
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gl

barren bronze
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anyways thx man

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Have a good day mate

valid jetty
valid jetty
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@barren bronze do close the channel

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dire storm
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how can i graph a complex number in a 3d euclidian space

dire storm
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by myself

upbeat ridge
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You can graph complex numbers in desmos?

main mural
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if you have a function $f: \bC \to \bC$ then you can't plot it in 3d regularly

flat frigateBOT
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artemetra

main mural
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you usually plot, for example, the absolute value of the result, which makes it a $\bC \to \bR$ function

flat frigateBOT
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artemetra

main mural
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or the argument

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but to plot a C → C function you'd need 4 dimensions

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two for input and two for output

dire storm
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so two real axes and an imaginary axis

main mural
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oh

dire storm
main mural
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yes, correct

dire storm
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what are your sources for this information?

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dire storm
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i would need 4 dimensions to graph a complex function

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is this common knowledge when studying complex analysis

main mural
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sorta

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you need two dimensions to represent 1 complex number

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so a map from one complex number to another needs to be 2+2=4 dimensions

dire storm
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thank you

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# primal crescent
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primal crescent
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I have completed the problem and don't need help anymore. Thank you.

red delta
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Use . close

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primal crescent
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primal crescent
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wait

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wrong one

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<@&286206848099549185>

lilac crane
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bro how long have you been doing this

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i remember doing this hours ago

primal crescent
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IDK

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3 hours

daring crescent
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@primal crescent Can you plug 2 and/or 10 into f(x)?

primal crescent
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x=2 is zero and x=10 is Remove discontinuty

daring crescent
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yep

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@primal crescent Did you have another question or?

primal crescent
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no

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not now

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use.close

daring crescent
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type just ".close"

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stark vortex
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( Law of Sines and Cosines ) - Trig
Does anyone know where to start for this problem?

stark vortex
woven hound
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What are you being asked to solve for?

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All missing sides/angles?

stark vortex
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Yes both sides and angles that are missing

woven hound
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Okay well right off the bat we don't need any trig to find angle A right

stark vortex
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Ohh yea I forgot
So it's 85 + 47 = 132

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Then 132 - 180 = 48

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?

woven hound
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yes

stark vortex
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Ok

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Then do I apply the law of sines?

woven hound
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exactly

stark vortex
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Oo ok

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That's all I needed, thank you!!

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upbeat ginkgo
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Don't know how to begin

sleek plank
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do you know the formula for a tangent line for normal curves?

upbeat ginkgo
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uhh

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can you remind me?

sleek plank
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y-f(x1) = f'(x1)(x-x1)

upbeat ginkgo
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ok ok

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I do remember that

sleek plank
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f'(x1) = dy/dx as well

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do you know how to find x and y from r?

upbeat ginkgo
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not quite sure

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but isn't it doing substitution?

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idk what to substitute for them though

sleek plank
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x=r * cos(theta)
y=r * sin(theta)

upbeat ginkgo
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right

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but since its 2 theta, would that work?

sleek plank
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yea, it'll just be cos(2theta) * cos(theta)

upbeat ginkgo
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lemme write this down rq

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wait

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i'm not understanding properly

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so what exactly are we exchanging to put in cos(theta)?

sleek plank
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we aren’t really

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think about a right triangle

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r is the hypotenuse

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if we want the x coordinate of r, we can multiply it by cos theta

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since cos theta is defined as adjacent(x-value)/hypotenuse

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multiplying by r will just give the x value

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@upbeat ginkgo Has your question been resolved?

upbeat ginkgo
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got distracted with something

sleek plank
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that's ok

upbeat ginkgo
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ok

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so then the equation would be r = cos(2theta) * cos(theta)

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?

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@sleek plank

sleek plank
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x equals, not r equals

sleek plank
upbeat ginkgo
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so now I convert the cos theta to x/r?

sleek plank
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no, now that we have x and y, we can find dy/dx

upbeat ginkgo
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wait what

sleek plank
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if x = r cos(theta)

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and y = r sin(theta)

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we can differentiate with respect to theta

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and get dx/dtheta and dy/dtheta

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we can then divide dy/dtheta by dx/dtheta

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to get dy/dx

upbeat ginkgo
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and is r considered a constant when differentiating?

sleek plank
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is what?

upbeat ginkgo
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oh whoops

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r

sleek plank
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no, since r is defined in terms of theta

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so we can sub in the definition of r from the question

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and then we can differentiate

upbeat ginkgo
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I think it's clicking

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let me write it all out and post it here

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so that you can check if i'm getting it

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@sleek plank

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like this?

sleek plank
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yep pretty much

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then you divide dy by dx

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and plug in the designated theta value from the problem

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which is believe is pi/6

upbeat ginkgo
sleek plank
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i believe the 1/2 is the r-value

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i don’t know why the ordered pair was ordered that way, with r first and then theta, but it works out mathematically so

upbeat ginkgo
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cause I gotta show my work for this and it has to make sense to be correct

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thanks for your patience

sleek plank
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np man

upbeat ginkgo
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@sleek plank looks good?

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idk why the highlighter blocks the slope

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but it's sqrt3/7

inner parrot
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looks about right

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,w slope of tangent line r=cos(2\theta) at (\pi/6, 1/2)

upbeat ginkgo
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LOL

inner parrot
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what the hell

inner parrot
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there we go

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wait whys the coordinate system wrong

upbeat ginkgo
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oh

inner parrot
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bruh

flat frigateBOT
upbeat ginkgo
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the answers like 0.247...

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when I put it into Desmos

inner parrot
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mm

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it should be -sqrt(3) apparently

upbeat ginkgo
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hmm

inner parrot
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makes sense that its negative just by looking at the graph

upbeat ginkgo
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now what have I done wrong?

inner parrot
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give me a second to look at it

upbeat ginkgo
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ok, thanks!

inner parrot
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oh wait wolfram didnt intepret the problem as polar

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your answer should be correct

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i did it myself and got the same thing

upbeat ginkgo
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yippie!

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thanks again!

inner parrot
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yw!

upbeat ginkgo
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@sleek plank you too bro!

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how do you find concavity using derivatives I’m having trouble testing and knowing what intervals to use

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Do I test in between zeros and critical points, to end points

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hello can someone help me with this? it's a weighing and scale problem

west hedge
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A+B+C=D+D+D+D+D

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D+D+A=B+B+C

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A+A=?

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A= 5D-B-C

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A=2B+C-2D

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A+A=3D+B

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E is an option

dusk cove
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omg thank u I was confused when I made the replacement 😢

west hedge
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you're just new at these operation

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just hone your skill and you will be fine

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take more practice

dusk cove
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thank u buddy, i will

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no problem

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frail beacon
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What are consecutive sides?

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frail beacon
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Apparently they’re congruent???

quick crater
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huh

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can someone help? i have tried so many times and always get the same answer which is wrong

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I figured it out

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light shoal
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maybe try proving the contrapositive

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if X is not compact, then either it is not closed or it is not bounded

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in each of those two situations, try to construct a continuous function on X that is not bounded

lean otter
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The contrapositive is true for subsets of "R"

light shoal
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should also be true for R^2 i believe

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upbeat ginkgo
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I don't quite understnad what these problems are asking for

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I'm expecting to see this type of problem on my exam, so I want to properly understand how to do it

old chasm
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I am not sure about the absolute sign, but I think they are asking for that term to be less than 10^-6

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Hint: ln(a^b) = bln(a)

upbeat ginkgo
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like the term of n to be less than 10^-6?

old chasm
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$\left(\frac{6}{7}\right)^n < 10^{-6}$

flat frigateBOT
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#damiforthepresident

old chasm
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and for $n > 0$, we can see that $\left(\frac{6}{7}\right)^n$ is decreasing

flat frigateBOT
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#damiforthepresident

upbeat ginkgo
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cause the denominator is always bigger than the numerator right?

old chasm
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yes. but at what n it is getting so small?

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that is the question.

upbeat ginkgo
old chasm
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yeah

upbeat ginkgo
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oh

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alr

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gimme a sec

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i'm gonna try to do it and if you could possibly check my work, that'd be great

upbeat ginkgo
old chasm
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and remember to check the sign

upbeat ginkgo
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wym

old chasm
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you will see

upbeat ginkgo
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ok ok

old chasm
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yeah that is pretty much it

upbeat ginkgo
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ln 6/7 is negative it seems

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wait

old chasm
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6/7 < 1

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so yes, it will be negative

upbeat ginkgo
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mhm

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now I calculate the number

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and will the greater than sign affect my answer?

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cause it's asking for N, not n

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so it's tripping me up now

old chasm
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so you got n > something and your N is the minimum n that is the whole number

upbeat ginkgo
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n > 89.6234163446

old chasm
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ok.

upbeat ginkgo
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so then it'd be 89?

old chasm
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no

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because n must be at least that much

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but N also satisfy the condition

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I mean, if not then I can pick negative infinity and I will be fine

upbeat ginkgo
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ok

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let me make sure i'm understanding

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this confuses me, so bare with me

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89.6234163446 is the minimum amount you need

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and N is the minimum whole number that you need

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so then it'd be 90?

old chasm
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yes

upbeat ginkgo
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ah!

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ok

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so if the number came to be 88.1234

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the minimum whole number would be 89

old chasm
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yes

upbeat ginkgo
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ahhh

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ok ok ok

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cool cool

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thank you sir!

old chasm
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no problem

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Hi, I was struggling to understand how to do this question as there is limited information and the working out provided doesn't make sense.

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Do you know how to find the mean of binomial dist.

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And the variance

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essentially solving a system of equations here

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inner parrot
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you have to use the formula for mean and variance of a binomial distribution

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do you know them?

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I’ll leave the answer below with a spoiler, but I implore you to try and solve the question from here before revealing the answer. If there’s anymore confusion, feel free to ping me :)

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Find all the solutions $u(x,y)$ to the partial differential equation \$\frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial x^2}+\frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial y^2} = x^2+y^2$ which depends of $r=\sqrt{x^2+y^2}$, i.e is of the form $u(x,y)=f(r)$.

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Merineth

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Are there actual people who understand these type of questions from the book and know how to solve them?

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How do i actually learn when i'm unable to solve the questions?

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@safe parrot Has your question been resolved?

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i wish i died

dry wolf
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haha, did you try to view $u(x,y)=f(\sqrt{x^2+y^2})$ and plug that into the equation?

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NulledOutChicken

safe parrot
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no, i have literally no idea what i'm supposed to do

dry wolf
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haha

safe parrot
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Like i can't even interpret the question right

dry wolf
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Okay I just gave you a hint

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Use that expression, just plug it in and try to simplyfy for now

safe parrot
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Yeah but i want to understand what i'm doing

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I need to be able to solve these

dry wolf
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The understanding usually comes AFTER you solved it

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do you know what $\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}$ means?

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NulledOutChicken

safe parrot
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yes, the partial derivative of f wrt x

dry wolf
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Do you know how to compute it?

safe parrot
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Yes.

dry wolf
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And do you also know how to use the chain rule?

safe parrot
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When it comes to one variable, yes very. Multivariable i'm not sure

dry wolf
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if it is a partial derivative, the chain rule works like with one variable

safe parrot
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Ok but i dont understand the question that i'm given.\ \

It asks me to find all the solutions to: $\frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial x^2}+\frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial y^2} = x^2+y^2$, right?

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Merineth

safe parrot
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and it gives me a condition r?

dry wolf
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Okay, you are thinking the wrong way around

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The first thing you should think about is how to simplify the question

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Try to use the info you have got

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My first instinct would be to replace u(x,y) with its condition

safe parrot
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  1. FInd all the solutions to the function u(x,y)
  2. add the condition r
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Does this simplify it?

dry wolf
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Try it

safe parrot
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$u(x,y) = \frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial x^2}+\frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial y^2}=x^2+y^2$

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Am i thinking correct?

dry wolf
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Hmm

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Merineth

dry wolf
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you already have $u=f(r)$

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NulledOutChicken

safe parrot
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i dont know what u=f(r) means

dry wolf
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Maybe start by just plugging that in first?

safe parrot
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\o/

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i dont know`?

dry wolf
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Lets start simple. Try to expand $\frac{\partial f(r)}{\partial x}$

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NulledOutChicken

safe parrot
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I have no idea what that means'

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Like i dont think you understand, i do not know what to do

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i literally dont understand the question

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This isn't simple to me

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How do i read the question such that i understand what i need to do

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i need to be able to solve these questions on my own

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and that requires me to understand

dry wolf
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Okay they ask you to find this derivative $\frac{\partial f(\sqrt(x^2+y^2)}{\partial x}$

safe parrot
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what they are asking for

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NulledOutChicken

safe parrot
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and how do you know this?

dry wolf
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Thats what it basically boils down to

safe parrot
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Why isn't that mentioned in the question?

dry wolf
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That is not something that you just know

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In máthematics the burden of proof is on you

safe parrot
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Yeah but if i sit down on the exam, i'm supposed to understand this

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I can't have someone add additional information that is neeeded

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for me to even understand what they are asking for

dry wolf
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And you will if you stop whining, man up and take that damn derivative

safe parrot
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whining

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i'm litearlly fucking suicidal

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since

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i dont understand

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whjat i'm supposed to do

dry wolf
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And calm down men

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Really chill

safe parrot
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$\frac{1}{2\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}$

flat frigateBOT
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Merineth

dry wolf
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haha okay lemme do it for you

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$\partial_x f(\sqrt{x^2+y^2})= (\frac{x}{r})\partial_r f(r)$

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NulledOutChicken

dry wolf
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Okay I know a way to explain what they want from you

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They basically wanna you to rewrite $\partial_x^2 f(r) +\partial_y^2 f(r) like \partial_r^2 g(r)$

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NulledOutChicken

safe parrot
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Is this correct?

dry wolf
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Not at all

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The chain rule definetly does not work that way

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Also, you used the absolute chain rule for partial derivaives

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and you should expand partial x of f(r)

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not the other way around

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You should be using it like that

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$\partial_x f(r)=(\partial_x r)\partial_r f(r)$

flat frigateBOT
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NulledOutChicken

dry wolf
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Also, do not set everything equal to u, you already have u in the equation, use something more appropriate like g(x,y). I also think your approach si wrong, since you should definetly simplify the partial derivatives first

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So your mission is to find anotehr expression for $\partial_x^2 f(\sqrt{x^2+y^2})$

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NulledOutChicken

dry wolf
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you think you can do that?

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@safe parrot Has your question been resolved?

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:=(

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But I did...

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:(((

safe parrot
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I'm very sorry but i just dont understand what you mean

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if given
$$S = {x \in \mathbf{Q} | x} S \subset \mathbf{R}$$

lean otter
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use \{

deft vigil
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sorry

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Mephisto

deft vigil
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that's better

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does that mean that Q are the accumulation points of this set?

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and that there is no interior because of the fact that between each rational number, there is a irrational one?

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I'm also assuming IR are the boundry points of S, because boundry points don't have to be a part of the set

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meaning it's not a closed set, but also not an open one?

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is this possible?

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What exactly is the set S you're defining? The formatting makes it hard to understand what you mean.

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I was trying to use the notation from my book, would be wayy easier to just say all rational numbers as a subset of all irrational ones

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so just a set $\mathbb{Q} \subset \mathbb{R}$

quiet plume
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So just a subset of Q or Q itself?

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Mephisto

deft vigil
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that's better

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the set of all rational numbers as a subset of all real numbers

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it has to be specified, otherwise if we consider all rational numbers independent of all real numbers, the set of boundry points would be an empty set

quiet plume
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Yeah I see what you mean, it wasn't exactly clear. So Q inside Euclidean space.

Indeed, the interior of that subset is empty.
Its boundary is just R, which includes irrationals, thus it's not closed.

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So it's neither closed nor open.

deft vigil
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oh alright, so it is possible?

quiet plume
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Yes, sets are not doors, they can be open and closed simultaneuously and neither as well.

deft vigil
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it just seemed like a contradiction at first, but it might be because of the words used to define the terms

quiet plume
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It's because closed sets are not defined as sets that are not open. Rather, they are sets whose complement is open.

deft vigil
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ohhh okay

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so the complement of Q sub R, would be R\Q which is both closed and open?

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can you clarify?

quiet plume
deft vigil
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so if I'm following correctly, an interior is a property of any subset? is that what you mean?

deft vigil
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Q sub R, is not closed and not open its complement must be, not open because Q is not closed, and not closed because Q is not open

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what were you thinking of?

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alr guys, thanks for your time, I think I got it, closing this one

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ye, I was a bit confused at the start but I figured it out

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The task is to Using a double integral, calculate the area of the region D bounded by curves.

worthy frost
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I don't understand how to get the upper limit for x

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the curve for the upper limit is y=lnx

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how do i get x?

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In case my drawing isn't readable

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like that?

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<@&286206848099549185>

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I got this, but I don't think it's right

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Yeah that looks good

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oh nvm

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I had the answer given like this

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why would you do that

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lol

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my teacher is trolling me

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hey i have an uncanny question

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how would i graph this graph in desmos?

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im trying to make a semi realistic sailing game

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and im struggling with the math

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i have already caluculated the boats angle to the wind and the wind speed

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or get the formula for a graph like this

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thats the main issuelol

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or really

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whhat would a formula for this be?

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what does that eben look like

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is it poossible?

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<@&286206848099549185>

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could i acomplish it with a gausian function?

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This is definitely polar

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i havent covered it in school yet

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How do I do (iii)? Tried multiplying sum of square and sum of cube up but to no avail.

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Especially after multiplying sum of square and sum of cube up I don't know what to do with the shitload of strange variable multiplies

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would consider Newton's Sums here

jolly ledge
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Ok so it is something my lecturer haven't taught yet

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I'll skip it for now

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okay so

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you know the properties of exponentiaton?

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a^2 * a^3 = a^2+3

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alright, so using the same property

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we can say

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srory

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there

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okay, so using that

shadow sparrow
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() on exponent

brittle rivet
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we can do x^2 * x^(-2) = x^(2-2) = x^0 = 1

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therefore x^2 must be multiplying 1/x^2

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for it to be 0

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1*

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in general, negative exponents indicate that the the expression is inverted

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and the reason is what I just mentioned

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no problem

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Question:
How do I "expand" values as they approach 1? Red line is the input, blue line is the desired output. The the value of the blue curve at 1 would ideally be controllable with a variable, I don't want it to necessarily approach infinite at 1.

Bonus:
Could this be done in a way where the "sharpness" of the curve can be controlled with another variable? See the light blue lines.

What I tried:
The answer ChatGPT gave me, e^(k*(x-1)), seemed to do the opposite (affecting only values below 1), and I couldn't quite figure out how to flip it around. Also, it doesn't give me control over the curve tightness. I think it might just have been too difficult for me to explain the problem to it.

Context:
I'm writing a shader for a video game where this came up. Normally I can google my way out of math problems like this, but I just can't wrap my head around this one.

Any help or just hints would be appreciated.

austere brook
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what is this

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you trying to do graphwars?

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oh this aint it

willow nexus
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I'm writing a shader. Looked up graphwars, and it looks like fun if you're not as bad as me with math.

austere brook
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like the abs(x+5)-abs(x-2) to shift the graph

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for 1

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dont you do like x+e^(x-k)

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k is the adjustable value

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itll look smth like this

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e^(k*(x-1)) + x

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actually that seems right

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-1 is how you adjust where the curve "spikes"

willow nexus
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That looks right, let me give that a try real quick

austere brook
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and k is the amount you want it to increase before it goes to infinity

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add +x to that

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okay here we go

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g is the initial gradient

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k is how fast you want the graph to "spike"

willow nexus
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Maybe I'm just implementing it wrong. I'm still getting the other way around, it's lifting the lowest values instead of the heighest.

austere brook
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and -1 is the position of where you want it to spike

austere brook
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try this

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play around with the values until you get your desired result

willow nexus
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Does this look right? Maybe I'm making a mistake when converting things into nodes. I'll try writing it out as a script instead

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ooh Desmos is very helpful. Thanks for the tip.

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I haven't figured it out yet, but I'm going to close the room while I fiddle. @austere brook Thank you

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Could someone help out? I proved the first part, but what does it mean by the second part?

plucky swan
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Hence find an expression for I(n) in terms of n for n> 0

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It means you need to express I_n in explicit forms of n, instead of I_{n-1}

plucky swan
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so i'm assuming that'd mean find a way to integrate the I(n-1) term

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so it's in terms of N throughout and not recursive...?

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would you hve any idea how I could go about doing that?

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obsidian oracle
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You have a recursive formula about In

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So start from I0

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How do you get I1?

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You do 3/5 I0

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How do you get I2

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You do 6/8I1

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Which is 18/40*I0

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And so on

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Find a way to generalize this

plucky swan
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Okay

plucky swan
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I haven't done anything like this before, would you mind sharing the answer

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@obsidian oracle

plucky swan
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(3n! / (3n! + 2)) * 1/2

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Still only true for n > 1

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I really have no clue where to go I've tried everything I know

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And I need to know how to do this

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I tried to work on this but can't find the answer. If you somehow get the answer without the proving step, you can prove it by induction.

plucky swan
forest spruce
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for example we know that $S_n=\sum_{i=1}^n i=\frac{n(n+1)}{2}$ and $S_n=S_{n-1}+n$
then we have $S_1=\frac{1(2)}2=1$, then assume that this hold for n=k, we can prove the case for n=k+1 by the recursive relation
$S_n=S_{k+1}= S_k+k+1= \frac{k(k+1)}2+k+1= \frac{k^2+3k+2}2= \frac{(k+1)(k+1+1)}2= \frac{n(n+1)}{2}$

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forest spruce
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normally I assume the answer need to be in closed form

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Would the proper way to read this integral be

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The integral of x times sine( x) with respect to the derivative of x?

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Or like the integral of x times the derivative of sine(x)?

thin bridge
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neither

sour violet
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How would it be read then?

thin bridge
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integral of
x times sin(x) (would be better described as the product of x and sin(x))
with respect to x

sour violet
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I dont need to specifically state that I’m using the derivative of sin(x)?

thin bridge
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what derivative of sin(x)

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there is no derivative of sin(x) there

sour violet
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!rccw

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Ugh

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Ok so im integrating by parts with this one so im just splitting it into x and sinx dx

lime dust
sour violet
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But when I do that u=x

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And v=sin(x) dx

thin bridge
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you want
dv = sin(x) dx

sour violet
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And that leaves me with v=-cos(x)

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But how would u call out the problem it’s giving me without explicitly just writing the numbers down

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Like if I had to call this out after seeing it what would I call it

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My first thought was what I said earlier

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So I’m still thinking

thin bridge
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the initial problem itself was what i described earlier

sour violet
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Yeah

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Just if I were to say this out loud what would I be saying

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If it isn’t what I thought it was earlier

thin bridge
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the initial problem itself?

sour violet
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Ignore the ex

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Yes

thin bridge
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was what i described earlier

sour violet
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But how would I be able to tell it’s sin(x)dx

thin bridge
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wdym

sour violet
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Like what’s the indicator that it’s an integral or derived with respect to x

thin bridge
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whether you have an integral sign
or derivative operator

sour violet
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What if it isn’t written though

thin bridge
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wdym

sour violet
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Assume as if I’m writing this down as someone’s telling me

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How would by word alone I break this down to write the question

thin bridge
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integral of
x times sin(x) (would be better described as the product of x and sin(x))
with respect to x

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THAT

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if you understand the terminology

sour violet
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So with respect to x just means dx

thin bridge
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that will give you precisely what you gave me

lime dust
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dx is referring to the increment

sour violet
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But what if for some reason I wanted the second derivative of x how does that change the wording?

thin bridge
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d(what to integrate with respect to) at the end of the integral expression tells you what to integrate

sour violet
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Ahhh

thin bridge
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if you wanted the second derivative of someothjing

sour violet
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But like here’s the work I used

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It tells me to integrate x but then after u get like

thin bridge
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that would literally be
second derivative of (that something)
add with respect to variable of choice if intentions are unclear

sour violet
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dv=sin(x)dx and just turn it all into v=-cos(x) when I derive it

thin bridge
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you're getting integrals and derivatives mixed up

sour violet
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I’m integrating by parts

thin bridge
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you get
v = -cos(x) when you integrate it

sour violet
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What

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I don’t know like the in between then can you help me out with that

thin bridge
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starting with
$$\dd{v} = \sin(x) \dd{x}$$
$\textbf{integrating}$ both sides:
$$\red{\int}\dd{v} =\red{\int} \sin(x) \dd{x}$$
gives
$$v = -\cos(x) \gray{+C}$$
(you don't care too much about the C there as you can just assign that somewhere else in the overall integral

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ℝαμΩℕωⅤ

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But what exactly happens between integrating it and the solution? Like how do you know what it integrates to

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integration is the reverse of differentiation

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Ahhhh that’s what I’m missing

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I forgot to write those formulas down

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knowing v differentiates to 1,
the antiderivative of 1 is v

knowing the derivative of cos(x) is -sin(x), derivative of -cos(x) will be sin(x)
the antiderivative of sin(x) is -cos(x)

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Ok just taking notes now thanks for the help

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How do I do this ?

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firstly: what does it mean for a matrix to be nilpotent

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There exist a power raised to which the matrix becomes zero

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e.g A^n=0. If there exist such a "n" the matrix is called nilpotent.

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I'm trying to think of a good way to motive the next part of this proof

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basically, we want to factor (I + A^n) into the product of (I+A) and another matrix

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you can think of this as polynomials, if it makes it easier

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Ok..

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this factors into something like (I + A^n) = (I+A)(I-A+A^2-A^3... + (-1)^{n-1} A^{n-1}) and we get our inverse

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maybe an easier way to see it: if B is invertible, then the determinant of B+A is det(B)+det(A)+det(A^-1 B)

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here, we have det(I+A) = det(I)+det(A)+ det(IA) = 1 + 0 + 0 = 1

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which means it's invertible

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Do we still need to do the determinant ?

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If A is nilpotent then A have a inverse. (That is the determinant is not zero)

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mossy fractal
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If A^n = 0 then detA = 0

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this doesn't prove the thing we want it to

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ooh wait I have a snappier proof

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if (I+A) is non-invertible there is a nonzero v such that (I+A)v = 0

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this means that v + Av = 0 or Av = -v

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let's say that A^m = 0. On the one hand (A^m)v = (-1)^m v, but also (A^m)v = 0v = 0, so we have (-1)^m v = 0 i.e. v = 0

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bam, no polynomials needed

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Wait

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each application of A picks up a factor of -1

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Yeah, if a matrix isn't invertible it has nontrivial kernel

lean otter
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If a matrix is not invertible => the determinant is zero => kernel is non trivial

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Makes sense

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When you looked at the statement for the first time did you know that it is true ?

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I think in this case you kinda just intuitively hope it’s true first

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Since it’s easier to prove that it’s true than to prove it’s false

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At least I think it is

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If you really dont get anywhere with trying to prove its true, maybe then you can start doubting and try to prove that its false

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Actually tbh if it was false, it may not be hard to prove that the determinant is 0 for example

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carmine knoll
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Because of the polynomial thing

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greetings

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if 2 cos 45degrees = 2 * pi/2 and sin 90degrees = pi/2, is 2 cos 45degrees = sin 90degrees?

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sin 90 isnt pi/2

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and 2cos45 isnt 2 * pi/2

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oops i apologize

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so i was looking at some cambridge interview questions. the first question was to figure out what sin(x)/x would look like. what is the thought process for trying to figure that out

swift matrix
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what sin(x)/x would look like in a graph

empty gyro
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Knowing its zeros, critical points, and limit at 0 would be useful

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Also knowing its end behavior

swift matrix
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idk man none were given

obtuse jackal
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find them

swift matrix
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none were stated idk what to tell you

gusty trench
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yeah this would be really easy if they were stated

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you're supposed to find them

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using algebra/calculus

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you can also think intuitively about what its end behaviour would look like at +/- infinity

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swift matrix
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i thought it was simpler than that i'm sorry😭 I don't know that math yet

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i'd say think about it when x > 1 or x < -1, then it's basically just sin(x) but the amplitude keeps getting smaller and smaller as you move further and further from 0 in either direction.
when -1 < x < 1 ask yourself how is the amplitude changing?
what is happening at x = 0? obviously the function is undefined, can you find a limit?

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consider if anything like even\odd function is relevant here

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shadow glade
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have you taken calculus yet \ are you familiar with limits?

obtuse jackal
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if you haven't don't study uni entrance tests

swift matrix
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no not at all I'm getting to that next year. I didn't know the question involved that

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shadow glade
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not necessarily to get a good idea of what the graph looks like, but it's much more likely you'd have the familiarity needed with functions and the important bits to look out when thinking of graphing and the behavior at x = 0

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also surprised they'd only start calculus during the last year of HS

shadow glade
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but agreed with what bezier said about focusing on that before entrance exams

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obtuse jackal
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2 years ahead?

shadow glade
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it's been known to happen i guess if someone is planning for a specific school ahead of time

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if they look 2 years but can't figure out it'd be beneficial to learn the material first idk what to say besides sorry for you

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before it closes

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since you're still typing

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can someone explain this one please?

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Also to answer the question you need to have other information about f and g

swift owl
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that's all i am given

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i am lost at what its asking

buoyant epoch
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Does it assume f is a polynomial?

sleek plank
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f and g are inverses

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you’re supposed to use that fact to help you figure it out

buoyant epoch
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Is that the problem? Where does it say that

swift owl
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nothing in there says about inverses

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sleek plank
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g(-4) = -2
f(-2) = -4

swift owl
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oh

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that acutally might make sense

sleek plank
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wait nvm there are quite a few exceptions here

jolly kiln
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(fog)(14) isnt 14 tho

sleek plank
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yea things like that rebuke my theory

swift owl
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is it possible that the problem is not complete?

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i mean that's all im given but still

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and I don't see a pattern

left gyro
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what if you assume that different inputs must lead to different outputs?

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for example the topmost answer box cannot be 14, -4, or -2

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if you make this assumption, youre assuming that f and g are "injective" which is a normal thing for functions to have

swift owl
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Hmm would it be 12?

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Probably not

left gyro
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theres no other options

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go try 12 in both boxes

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then see if it works out

swift owl
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I have to fill it all out