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Guys please dont fight, im watching youtube for me to understand more of this lesson. I appreciate all the help, but dw i will figure out all the answers by solving it on my own.
you can't just hold their hand the entire way.
you're doing the work for them, you're the only one holding hands
getting them to think for themselves, and providing only enough guidance to ensure their thinking is on the right track, is how you actually help someone learn
you don't learn how to do something by just looking at it
bruh how is giving away the answer an example
This isn't really up for debate. This server's teaching philosophy is against just giving away answers
If you want free answers, use chegg
source, please
A Socratic method esque teaching style has been shown consistently to provide good results
I'm actually quite aware of various teaching methods, there is data explicitly suggesting that just looking at something is the most inefficient way to learn

Ah yes the greatest source
apply your personal experiences to yourself then
"just trust me bro"
then go do that on your own
that's not what this server does
it's explicitly stated in the rules
"an example" is not the questions they're given
you've robbed them of the chance to figure things out themselves
christ you're dense
well as it turns out you aren't geiko so what's your point
The objective isn't to just memorize how to get the answer to a particular question. It's to understand the logic behind the answer, to understand the justification for why were doing what were doing
Having a deeper understanding to why we're doing something is much better than just memorizing what steps to do when
And such memorization doesn't even work in higher mathematics, where a conceptual understanding of the concepts is required
No, that's how you memorize the steps to get to the solution
Not why those steps work
see a problem start to finish, and then apply it to another problem to confirm that you understand the process
Or why we're doing those steps
most people will get the answer right if you give them the answer, yes
the problems they're given on the test will not be the same
hence why they need to do it themselves to confirm they understand
source: trust me bro
Intelligent people will prefer a conceptual understanding of the material than a mechanical one
(Not universal)
By doing probing questions, giving tips, guiding the person to the answer. That's how we teach
notice how, after you gave them the answers, they said they were going to youtube. Your method is demonstrably horrible
This server operates on a Socratic method esque teaching style
along with it being against the rules, the fact that you're still arguing is incredibly asinine
subreddit 
Fuck
LOL
they said "wait i'm trying to solve it"
they were in the middle of thinking, then you decided to cut the process short
you have 0 way of knowing whether or not they would have made headway, because "this works for me"
if they don't get it, they ask questions. Perhaps with another nugget of information, they get an idea of what to do
Why do you think it'd take them 4 hours
Is it hard for you to believe that some people have critical thinking skills and can solve problems on their own
With a bit of guidance
This is literally not even debatable. This is clearly specified directly in #rules and #❓how-to-get-help
Then get banned because that's against the rules
If they don't want to learn, they shouldn't ask in this server
the will was that they posted it in a server dedicated to learning
if they didn't care, they wouldn't post
This is not the server to just get answers to questions
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if not that's on them
we're not forcing anyone to do anything. If they no longer care, they can close the channel at any time
you, on the other hand, are removing the chance to learn, because they no longer have a means through which to demonstrate any understanding they may have
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is there a way to factor out the denomator?
wdym
well (x+6) isn't a factor of the numerators
to forcible factor out (x+6) will result in stuff like
i remember that there was a way to factor out the denominator
1/x+6(x+9x^2+6x+3)??
$(x+6) \cdot\br{ \frac{x}{(x+6)^2} + \frac{(9x^2+6x+3)}{(x+6)^2}}$
oo
is what you're implying you want when you're saying you want to factor out (x+6)
how about like this?
ℝamonov
something same like yours
yeh.
i forget to add parentheses to the x+6
i mean its valid, but its not very meaningful and doubt that it helps you do anything
ye cause i was doing this. I wondered if there was a way to factor out the same denominators and cancel them out
what's the original problem
ow
ill try plugging in 0 first to see if it works before multiplying conjugate
ye its still in indeterminate form ill do conjugate
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how to factor 2x^2+4
find zeros
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Can someone pls explain how i derive the homo solution and particular pls
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for which question?
can start with v
how do you derive the characteristic equation from y''
because wouldnt that be r^2=0?
r = 0 would give you y_c = c_1 + c_2 t.
We require two linearly independent solutuons to obtain it's general solution so r = 0 twice gives us y_c above.
yeah beacause e^0 is just one
Yes.
oh its that easy
ok so can u pls explain good ways in doing the undetermind coefficent?
You can use the method of undetermined coefficients on the RHS which in effect here means the linear combination of the linearly independent derivatives of t^2. But since some of them are contained in y_c you need not include them.
y_p = At^2 (+ Bt + C).
so you need y'' to be in a similar format to the RHS, thus why you have more powers starting with yp
My book makes usage of linear independence in the section on this*
by more powers, you can see yp is to the power 4 and so on
so when we derive twice we get same format as the RHS of equation. Which makes it easy to find coefficents>
?
There's three cases for the method. They all start with the RHS which is Q(t) = At^2 + Bt + C.
The trial solutions changes if Q(t) contained terms t^k (terms of y_c).
Oh. It does include terms like that here doesn't it.
ok thank you, i think i understand it a little better now
Due to y_c having the constant term we need to multiply our guess my t^2.
We can use any term of Q(t) and see that y_c contains a term t^2(a term of y_c) so we need to guess the linear combination of t^4 and it's linearly independent derivatives like you have.
ok, so then when we find y'' and sub it into yc, we can easilt find the undetermined coeffieicnets of the RHS
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Can anyone tell me is E(Y|X=1) = 0(0.042/0.249) + 1(0.207/0.249) ?
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not sure how to solve c
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How does that simplification to 1-sin^2 t come about?
expand and simplify?
yes I get 4 sin t + 1 - sin^2 t
show work
you didn't square (sin(t) + 2) properly
ah fuk
I see
lemme try again haha
yrah it simplifies to 1 - sin^2 t
thank you fellas
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How is (n+1)! expanded
(n+1)! = (n+1)*n!
If you want to expand it to the fullest then just use the definition of a factorial
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We have this math problem:
"A ball is dropped from a height of 8 feet. If every time it bounces 60% of its previous height, what is the total distance traveled by the ball?"
And we were given this example earlier. The teacher told us that a_1 was "2(4)" because 'tossing' a ball meant it would double the distance. Does that mean I won't multiply the a_1 in my new problem with 2 because I will only be dropping it? Or am I not understanding?
what teacher said doesn't make sense to me
you add the height to the travelled distance sure, it's not called "doubling"
Ah I see.
Me neither mans.
i think they messed up
Okay so I don't know if I got it or not but what I did was use the "infinite geometric series" formula:
My "a_1" is "8"
My "r" is "0.6"
Idk if this is right.
ok I see, you double it when it's tossed
the whole thing
2(a/(1-r))
this makes sense, every stretch down has an up stretch of the same height
and if it's dropped, you subtract from that
I think I kind of get it, but I'm unsure by what you mean in subtracting?
like if it's dropped from 4 meters, you do 2(4/(1-r)) - 4
just because it did not go 4 meters up
doubling happens in both cases
I'm very confused.
the geometric series gives you the sum of the black part
the yellow part is identical so you double
if the ball is dropped, it's not identical it starts from the second arrow
Oh, but the 4th yellow part shouldn't exist right?
yes but it doesn't change the answer because it's always inifinitely small
you'd just subtract 0 to correct for it
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to cover both positive and negative values of a
with the unstated proviso that negative values yield a reflection in addition to the stretch/compression as specified.
OK thanks
So it just covers positive and negative values. It is NOT suggesting that a negative value would turn positive
I get messed up when I see the absolute value in formulas, domain, range, etc thinking that it won’t accept negative values or something
Couldn’t the bottom right also be written ±a rather than |a| ?
Wait nvm
That wouldn’t make sense, -a > 1
OK thanks. Only thing positive or negative indicates is upward or downward direction
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how do i get help
u can consider 2 rectangles
that pink bit
and the bigger one
which is the pink bit + the original part
can you do it and ill see if i get the same
so u first find the bigger one
yes
do you do 3(8x+8)
and simplified?
It's also quite obvious you're in a test here, so that's very sus behavior
im not in a test
its homework
and i don't understand
eh its ok
u cant rly tell
unless they
wdym test
actually say hey im in a test
i need help rn
its my homework
i don't know
whats the formula for a rectangles area
i don't know
oh
the area of a rectangle is its
base * height
so
like with this diagram
its those 2 stuff they show
get it?
um no
what
uve to work it out
why not
can't give answers here. it's against the rules
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so brazy
crazy
yea insane that we want people to learn instead of copying down answers
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base times height
how do i find that
and what is base and height here?
its the bottom isn't it
this song is as old as some of the kids on this server
ok and
the formula wants u to multiply those 2 to get the area
so what happens when u multiply then
im working here 😠
its ok chill
8x+8 x 5x+4
we also do a bit of trollin sometimes
anyway
u need brackets
whats that
else its totally different
so
like
1 + 1
multiplied by
1+ 1
we write it as
(1+1) * (1+1)
if we wrote
1+1 * 1+1
that
- normally is handled first
so it becomes 3
Sorry to tell you they're not kids anymore
(8x+8) (5x+4)
hey, groot is working here😠
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me irl 🧓🏻
ok well i stand corrected, its as old as me
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i think so
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I got a question
,rotate
that looks so nasty
idk how to type it here in latex
yeaa thanks
i too am bad at latex
u can just say like
lim(from x to 9)
just put approriate brackets n stuf
yep
what if p is even ?
use l'hopital's
hm i think
I'm not allowed to use it
it will be
use the formula on it
^
1+x+x^2+......+x^(p-1)=[1-x^p]/[1-x]
ok you can simplify the original now a little
lol
honestly i still dont know why you arent allowed to use l'hopitals
but basically it will approach the ratio of the powers
i dont know how to explain that without rates of change tho
lhopitals is used after highschool still we don't use it all the time to know really what's the function we're dealing with
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An investigator has a spreadsheet showing family incomes for 100 subjects in a certain study. These range from $5,800 a year to $98,600 a year. By accident, the lowest income in the spreadsheet gets changed to $58.
Does this affect the average? Enter the amount that this error changes the average, or 0 if there is no change.
To find the percentage change i did 5800-58/100 = 5742/100 = 57.42 . I'm not sure if im doing this incorrectly or not, but my homework is marking it wrong
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maybe it's expecting -57.42? (the average decreases, not increases)
also, that's an absolute change, not a percentage change
i.e. the average changes by -57.42, not by -57.42 percent
thank you T_T it's correct. i thought we couldn't because there was a dollar sign in front of it
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Hey I'm still having trouble with part b
I know part a is 0 -1, 1 0
how would I reflect it?
I see this for a similar problem
but I don't understand what's happening here
is this literally just assigning the x2 column to -x1 column?
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https://math.stackexchange.com/a/525112
This post should offer a good enough explaination on your problem 🙂
nono dont do that
thats too much work for a simple problem
you just need to figure out where the basis vectors are sent
you can do that with just a diagram
draw a cartesian plane and follow where (1, 0) and (0, 1) get sent after the rotation/reflection
it shouldnt be too hard
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lol
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This worked, I appreciate it. I think I was overthinking the problem and not doing it geometrically
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When i have $\frac{\partial}{\partial \theta}\dot{\theta}^2$ what do i do?
Katharine
whats the dot
oh
$\frac{\partial}{\partial \theta}{\left(\frac{\partial \theta}{\partial t}\right)}^2$
u r so good at latex
Katharine
i genuinely don't know what to do
i'm trying to figure out lagrange mechanics for a pendulum
but the person whose notes i'm looking at didn't write all steps down
yea im not sure exactly what u can do with partial derivatives :c im not the best here sorry
wolfram says that it is 0 if i use x for theta
well it would still be 2dtheta/dt * par(dtheta/dt)
where par is the partial operator wrt theta
wdym?
do you not know how to take the partial derivative?
i do but i don't know how to take a partial derivative like this
or is the notation confusing or smth
im still not quite sure what u mean...
ohh i get what u mean i think
pretend taht $\dot{\theta}(t)=\phi(\theta(t))$
where phi some function
rockpaperscissors
if ur studying pendulums
i assume uve studied simple harmonic motion and the differentail equation defining it
there u exress the double derivative in terms of the original funciton
the situation is the same here
what is d/dx of dx/dt?
try to use cahin rule
you just need to ignore that theta depends on t for now
$\frac{\dfrac{dy}{dx}}{\dfrac{dt}{dx}}=\frac{dy}{dt}$
rockpaperscissors
tho im a bit curious, why are you taking the partials of theta wrt theta? Iirc, we should be taking the partials of the lagrangian wrt theta?
it's the lagrangian but i left out the constants
this is the lagrangian of a pendulum according to the guys notes
yeah should be what you have
taking that wrt theta
like just ignore that theta is a funciton of t, imagine it as a variable
and then differentiate
i know what mglcos() is
its theta dot squared
differentiated to theta
thats why katherine havign problem
but theta dot
no, there is no second derivative here
again, we are taking the partials derivative wrt theta
there ahs to be an accelration term
not the derivative
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i dont want to spoil the answer but technically after taking the partial, you should have $\frac{\partial L}{\partial \theta} = -mgl\sin (\theta)$
waler
it has nothing to do with second derivative and stuff
but why
this is because the partial of theta dot is 0
why is d/dx of dx/dt 0
again, note that this is the partials derivative
meaning we are taking the other variables as constant
and theta as our only variable
theta dot is a function of t, hence the partials of theta dot is 0
because t is a constant wrt theta
ok
and this also has nothign to do with the implicit differentiation too
it's jsut how partial differentiation works
i think michael van bezen has a video on the lagrangian of the pendulum iirc, if you are unsure of something, you could check him out
he also does langrangian for other mechanics too
ok thanks for the reference, this guys' notes are terrible for learning XD
sure np, lagrangian is not too hard after some exercises, good luck with it
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then
then.. answer the questions?
If you don't want to graph it you can use the intermediate value theorem
thats whats our lesson about and its so confusing 😭
the intermediate value thm
Mh ok, what's confusing you exactly?
everything about it the prof didnt explain it well at all
Ok, I suggest checking this video out, it looks awesome 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNLu4_3Okuk
This video contains a proof too, but if you are not interested in that just ignore it
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Watch the whole video series about Real Ana...
ok ty
I found this one too, this is more practical
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3tPwgqS4ns
I haven't seen this one specifically, but usually RobBob does a good job at explaining
I work through three examples involving the Intermediate Value Theorem.
The first two examples are algebraic at 3:57 and 10:49
The third is analyzing data in a table at 17:02
Check out http://www.ProfRobBob.com, there you will find my lessons organized by class/subject and then by topics within each class. Find free review test, useful notes ...
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how do i find lim x tends to infinity (2x^2 - sin3x)/(x^2+10) with the help of LH rule
What are you having troubles with?
differentiated I think
ok
You can't apply LH rule twice here
After applying it once you get this
Which isn't an inf/inf situation
Are you sure you're supposed to use LH rule btw?
Because the limits don't match
Before and after applying it
Perhaps you should use the squeeze theorem and LH rule only after that
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I am certainly getting messed up for the set up of this problem
I first want to sketch the graph and when I do, then I want to find the points of intersection so I set x^2 + 2 = 1
and I end up getting x^2 = -1 but I feel that I'm wrong for finding the intersections
Well y = x^2 + 2 intersects x = 1 at x = 1.
Just sketch all three curves and you should see what the bounded region is meant to be.
Yeah, when I graph that, I notice they intersect at two points
do you know integral
Sounds impossible. Can you show your graph.
so when I wanted to find the area, I plugged in 0 & 1 as the bounds,
no it is integral but because it is a parabole
you simply can divide area by 3
1 remains in the drawn area
and 2 in the other one
2/3 and 1/3 actually
is to find the center x point of the drawn area a lil bit complicated integral
so in this instance, since I'm dealing with a Parabola, I find the area then divide by 3 and that gives me what?
I think I'm a bit more confused but thanks for trying to help!
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Show that $y(x)=2 x^2+\frac{1}{x^2}$ is an explicit and unique solution to the initial value problem $x^2 y^{\prime \prime}+x y^{\prime}=4 y, \quad y(1)=3, \quad y^{\prime}(1)=2$ on the interval $(0, \infty)$
kinda confuse on the interval, i think the only time it does not satisfies the equation is when x=0
Ji
I've shown that y(x) is a solution but the interval (0, infinity)
kind of confuses me
x=0 is not included in the interval
your question doesnt care about x<0
and if your y really is the solution to the IVP
then the solution over x<0 cannot be determined
why?
y is discontinuous at x=0
ohhh
ah now i get it
thanks
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I'm stuck on how I would solve this. The last tutor I went to told me to look up the commission formula online (since my professor didn't provide it), and I found it, but I'm still stuck, as my professor didn't show us a problem like this in the lectures. I'm unsure of even where to start
For context: This is college level alegebra
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I'm not sure where to plug in each value in the formula as I dont know which part goes where
I know that commission = Saleprice x Commission rate but Im not sure how it relates
Well, we're trying to find the sales level that makes both options equal
So let's call that x
Alright
So if the sales level is x, how much money do you make per month with the first option?
3300 plus that 5% of sales
What is that as a mathematical equation?
3300 + 0.05?
There's no x in the equation?
So how much you make doesn't depend on the sales level?
3700+0.04(x), but it says its commission, not sales
The commission is how much of the sales you get
Oh they mean the same?
Well, not the same as sales
The commission is the fraction of the sales you get
If your sales were $100, you'd get to keep $5 as per the first option
Ah alright
Now, we want to find the value of x that makes both options equal
How can we do that?
Yes
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So we have a clock that isn't working properly.
A broken clock is always right twice a day

Havent finished the problem

Alright so one of the hands of the clock goes in the opposite direction. (counter clockwise)
So from the 0 point one goes to the left and the other to the right.
Create a formula that will calculate the distance apart from each other of one of the hands.
We should take the right "hand" by the way. the one that is going clockwise
The clock is btw also broken in times and minutes.
Am I overthinking this?
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it would be 4x in numerator
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what is the highest possible the y-intercept of S could be?
and what is the lowest possible?
once you know those, you know the answer
it would be 8 and lowest would be 1
but no the
answer is 33 i know from anyswe key but how the hell did they get 33
why
nvm
ik why
to find the lowest i just find where the perpendicular line
intersects (-15, 0) right
yup :) figure out the y-intercept of that line
bruhr how
and then the y-intercept of S has to be > that
yup!
yay! :D
shittt what is it
y2-y1 = m(x2-x1)
FCK
0-y = -5/3(-15-x)??????
or is it the other way
but yeah once you solve this equation, then you basically know the answer :)
what's 15 / 3
y = -25
it must be
-24 to 8
which means there are
because it says
it doesnt count when u touch the axis
wait then my teacher made a mistake
how?
how did you get that
33*
i forgot about 0 xd
haha
ty
i have another question
i know how to solve this with algebra
but how do solve this with graph?
i will try myself first
if it doesnt work u hint me
how did you solve it with algebra
do you mean 2x + y = 1.5
okay yea
2x + y = 1.5
by graphically it just means
x + y = 0.9
so now i just have to do this
based on that graph, how would you be able to tell the answer?
yeah that's correct
where they intersect
yea ok ik now but
yea
okay
i want to know WHY that works like how and why
i brb 5 mins
yea
sorry i brb for 3 mins
sorry
brb
both x+y = 0.9 and 2x+y = 1.5 are true
well
a point (x,y) satisfies x+y = 0.9 if it's on the line when you graph x+y = 0.9
and similarly, a point (x,y) satisfies 2x+y = 1.5 if it's on the line when you graph 2x+y = 1.5
so the solution has to be on both lines AKA the intersection
bac
back
x + y = 0.9
2x + y = 1.5
y = -x + 0.9
y = -2x + 1.5
now i set them equal
cuz its hard to graph
I thought you were trying to figure out how to do it graphically
BUTS HARD TO
i invted a new word
but's
xd
it means but its
too hard to graph decimals precise
Lol
argh i messed up my graph
is this correct atleast
Yes
No you're not!
You are not!
i graphed it but i cant find
how am i suppose tofind the exact value with a pencil graph
...
nvm i AM STUPID
i got it
i just need to sharpen my pencil xd
i just hand drew grid paper
I FOUND IT
30, 60
with a graph
(60, 30)
@white umbra i have a question how do i know which one is egg and which one is toast
^
yup
make sure to be precise though when you're defining your variables
a = number of adults
c = number of children
for more complicated problems, this can trip you up if you don't know exactly what your variables mean
5a + 2c = 2345
a + c = 568
c = 568 - a
5a + 2(568 - a) = 2345
3a + 2(568) = 3245
3a = 1209
a = 403 (tickets sold)
c = 165 then since total is 568
price (a)(403) + 2(165) = 3554
403a = 3554 - 330
a = 8
the new price is 8$
right
wait what is a in this equation?
a is the price of the new adult ticket
since child ticket and sales dont change
and we know the new total is 3554
we can find a
okay
my advice is don't use the same letter to mean two different things
or else it'll get confusing
and whenever you introduce a new variable, define what it is
you're correct that it's $8 tho
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Can someone give an idea on how to solve this sommation
The usual trick for these of a^k * (k+1) that it equals d/dx(x^(k+1))(a). Here use the derivative trick twice.
The second trick is how to slightly adjust the k^2 to make it work with the double derivative trick
Thank you very much
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I give up
Can someone please teach me how to do them step by step
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Exponent rules
$a^{-m} = \frac{1}{a^m}$
a^{-m}
so wouldnt it be
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$x^2 - x^-2/3$
Arm
since b^x/b^y = b^x-y
Why would there be a minus sign?
--> x^{2} - x^{-\frac{2}{3}}
$x^m*\frac1{x^{-n}}=x^m*x^n$
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Use the second rule you would get $$x^{2-(-\frac{2}{3}})$$
ah right
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And so $$\frac{8x^2}{16x^{-\frac{2}{3}} = \frac{x^2\cdot x^{\frac{2}{3}}$$
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like this right?
Think of rule 2, but x=0
That works too
Yea
But the point is
If you have a negative power at the bottom
You can bring it to the top and change the sign
Or any power at the bottom
Bring it up to the top and flip the sign
so i can bring a variable with a power to the top, so long i switch the sign?
Yeah
Np
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Find Domain:
note that the denominator cannot equal 0, since dividing by zero causes an undefined result.
Also, the radicand must be non-negative
There is also a limitation of the square root as well.
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