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Q: how to calculate the angles of a trapezium (quad with 1 set of parallel lines) if given all 4 sides?
It should be possible with cosine theorem (not sure what it is called in English, basically calculating the third side of a triangle if you have 2 sides and the angle between them)
a = 12
b = 7
c = 4
d = 5
What I did, was use the cosine theorem to do:
1) a^2 + b^2 - 2bc * cos(beta) = e^2 = c^2 + d^2 - 2 cd * cos(180-alpha)
2) b^2 + c^2 - 2bc * cos(180-beta) = f^2 = a^2 + d ^2 - 2ad * cos(alpha)
add them together, cancel out a few things and get the formula:
(b^2 - d^2) / (a - c) = b * cos(beta) - d * cos(alpha)
however, I don't know where to go from there? Do I try to insert it in the basic cosine theorem again? But wouldn't that create a monstrosity of a formula?
this is my derived formula, not sure if it is correct, but I can't see any flaws in the process
the green circles show what i know
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i have to go so goodbye. If anyone can answer, that would be great. The derived formula is probably wrong and yeah. Anyway, have a nice day.
(and @ me if you have the solution / hits / whatever)
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Plugged it into Wolfram|Alpha and got the following solutions:
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Can someone maybe help me with this please
There is a solution
But this confuses me
Uh, I mean x=0 and y=0 are the obvious solutions. Perhaps use them to get the other values for x and y which are also valid soloutions
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I need assistance
If youāre able to help me with a few word problems dm or somethin
Word problem?
Yeah
Post the problem here someone can help you
Thereās like 3
Have you attempted them?
Ok whatās the first one
I need help with 4 and 5
Ok post them
First work out how much she can withdraw until she gets a fee
She can use 276
If she uses more she would get a fee
So
If she would wanna withdraw 25 a week
Yeh how many weeks at 25 per week
It would be 11 weeks
Yeh
Yeh ok
Whic would be
2 long shirts that total 48
Which leads the rest to being shore
Short
Because he want's to buy two mroe
Wow, I feel really stupid. I'm really sorry.
Donāt be sorry itās cool, I donāt rlly understand the question tho, do you have the original one
Nope, we solve word problems in my school. You basically pick out the detail from the text and find out the equation
I wish that it was only numerical, I'd be so much better then-
Yeah
He wants to but two more short sleeve shirts than long sleeve
Thus making it so as the total being 120
We could subtract 48 and divide the rest
Which would leave 4 short sleeve shirts
How much are short sleeve shirts
Yeh 4 short sleeve
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Did I solve this correctly?
It is not a function
Because I can get two output from one input
But is this the correct way to write it with distribution?
The final answers would be y=3-2x and y=-3+2x?
I also used my own sqrt to this question so therefor I must include two possible answers
oh itās not right
u need to square root ur square root
Oh yeah lol
So what would that equal?
^1/4
But it would still be +-
Let me add photo again
Like this?
Why does y also not get +-?
yeshh
y itself on the LHS
do you want
±y = (3-2x)^(1/4)?
oh but y is equal to the rhs
cause thats the same
so ure saying that y can take both +ve and -ve
I want to add +- to anything I use an even radical on
It is following the rules of math
HAHAHA we donāt rly write it down
yes if you have an equation you know both terms are positive, you can apply a sqrt on both sides and need to add a ± on one of the terms
What is ve?
oh +ve means positive
Ok
and -ve means negative HAHA
x² = y
<=>
x = ±sqrt(y)
<=>
x = sqrt(y) or x = -sqrt(y)
srysry where im from we use that
What is <=>?
it means all statements are equivalent
Oh
You could also say it this way?
x² = y
<=>
±x = ±sqrt(y)
<=>
x = sqrt(y) or -x = sqrt(y)
not really
Why not tho? If itās still true
±x = ±sqrt(y)
depending on the interpretation could also just mean
x = sqrt(y) or -x = -sqrt(y)
^^
So there could be 4 possible answers
usually you decide whether its + or - for the whole equation
x = sqrt(y) or -x = sqrt(y) or x = -sqrt(y) or -x = -sqrt(y)
that has two redundant statements
Imaginary
HAHAHAHA
ur working w imaginary numbers?
Yes
show me ur qn
x² = y
<=>
±x = ±sqrt(y)
<=>
x = sqrt(y) or -x = sqrt(y) or x = -sqrt(y) or -x = -sqrt(y)
btw I havenāt started on complex numbers so I canāt help with imaginary stuff
or lets say we have 1±1±1, we can only interpret it as either 1+1+1 or 1-1-1, but not mix both of them
bruv y u overthinkin
Lol isnāt all math overthinking?
nah
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can someone explain how this is separable?
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What is confusing you
if m and n are unrelated indices, how can you show the first part, for example?
i just dont really understand what the m and n subscripts are denoting
This is the same as inf A
This is the infimum of the set containing each an + bn for each natural number n
wait a minute
This here is confusing because it includes n under here but n is not involved in the expression after it
I'm pretty sure it means an + bm
or am + bn
It means all combinations of m and n
The m and n are like the part after the | in the set notation I'm pretty sure
is inf_m a_m = inf_n a_n = inf A?
Yes
I think they put different variables so that you know the first term inf_m a_m is unrelated to the second term inf_n b_n
so if a_m and b_n are differently indexed, why are a_m and a_n the same?
They are the same because m and n are just letters
Like if I wrote the set of m+1 for all natural numbers m is the same as the set of n+1 for all natural numbers n
gotcha
thanks
i guess the proof for the first part would go something like
$\inf_m a_m +\inf_n b_n \le a_m + b_n$
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Is a^-n a geometric sequence?
sorry, sum of that
wdym by sum of that
can you post the full original thing without parts being cut off
\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} (1+2^n)/(3^n)
$\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{1+2^n}{3^n}$
āamonov
Yeah lol, stil learning to use texit lol
this can be expressed as a sum of two geometric series
$$\br{\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{3^n}} + \br{\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{2^n}{3^n}}$$
āamonov
Oh that makes more sense
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find derivative
What have you tried
Show your work
Where's xāµcosx/x coming from
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i can find two points on the intersecting line, but what do i do now?
i'm thinking i should probably find a point where the perpendicular plane meets but i don't know how to do that
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something tells me that like
youll want to use the normal vector for the proposed plane
and the direction vector for the line
fuck, iām so dumb
LMAOOO
where did u look it up from?
MSE
Yes 3d vec so hard 
but it should make sense hopefully
you have like
the direction vector of your line
you have some plane
the normal vector of the plane points directly away from plane
so if the normal vector and the direction vector are parallel
then the line is perpendicular
does that make sense at all 
yeah the normal vector of the perpendicular plane, would be parallel to our plane so the cross product of both of those guys would be the normal to our plane
wait i have a couple more questions, while u 3d vector experts are here

oh right, i don't understand why these are true (they gave like five attempts lol so i got them right at the second one)
second one is really odd tho
what would a counter example be
hrm
well
im imagining this like
you have a line right
say its flat and just
normal ass line
flat
then a plane above it
at idk 1
and a plane below it
at idk -1
mhm
@crude prism now rotate the upper plane 45 degrees one way
and the lower plane 45 degrees the other way
but you know, along the line
so like, the planes still never intersect the line
theyre just skewy
and now, they intersect each other
lets say uhh
line is <x,0,0>
upper plane is <x,1,0>
okay
lower plane is <x,-1,0>
i believe this fits the like
this fits the original whole set up yea
parallel
does the image in your mind make sense
lets just be sure im describing a situation where there is a line, then 2 parallel planes
with one above and one below the line
wait wait wait
this would be a line
oh but no i understand what you're trying to say
<x,1,z>
lower plane is
<x,-1,z>
this is right, yea

yea
its a plane of any x and z
but fixed at y = 1 or -1
i think i get it now
okay now change them
this is the skew bit
change the upper plane to <x,1,-x>
and the lower to <x,-1,x>
they still dont intersect the line, i think

yeah yeah yeah i got it

if we have two non-parallel planes tho, they will always intersect right:?
eventually yea
okay and what does it mean for a line and a plane to be parallel?
that part to me is a little confusing
probably that the direction vector and the normal vector have a dot product of 0
thats how id think of it
then it splits into a case of like
either the line is just on top of the plane forever
oh interesting
or they never touch
because they have no chance to change relative each other
but thats fine
a line is parallel to itself
so both work
so a plane and a line that are not parallel would intersect right?
eventually, yea
think if they are not parallel, then their distance is changing
for all time
idk how to make the uhhh
spatial intuition come across
like you and your friend are walking the same direction at constant speeds around a circular track
only 2 possibilities are your speeds are different and at some point one of you laps the other
or you have the exact same speed and your relative distance never changes
its the same thing, just in more dimensions
okay okay, i think i got it now!
thank you so muchh!
also bonus points for the cat pictures (emojis?) (stickers?)

okay by me
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context?
144 = 12^2
how did you get that and how is it relevant to the question
do you understand what they want?
Me?
ye
For 3 or 4
ye
Nvm I donāt quite get what they ask for in both
so they want you to factorize the given equation with 2^x with the largest x possible
in 3
I think so
used log before?
I know how to do it
log2 16128 = x
have your teacher taught you any other methods?
Well you could just break up 16128 instead
divide by 2 until you reach 2, the amount of divisions = power
He said for these set of questions
Just use pair method of factorisation
16128/2, 8064/2, 4032/2, 2016/2, 1008/2, 504/2, 252/2,128/2,64/2,32/2,16/2,8/2,4/2,2
not sure if it's bc I haven't been needing to use it for like 5+ years or if I'm just bad at english but idk what that is
?
Itās like
(16-x)
(4+x)(4-x)
And so on
If you are not supposed to use log that is how I would solve for 2^x, x being how many times we divided until we reach 1
Yeah
But donāt think log is needed
Whatever Iāll ask tmr
127^2-1=(127+1)(127-1)
Do yāall know 4 than?
Yeah Ik but idk how to find the 2 to the power of something is the biggest factor
128 and 126 might be easier to factorize than when they're multiplied idk
I think the answer is to the power of 7
But idk how to show me working
Anyone know the next one
The 4 prime one
I'd try to get an equal factor of both that's large enough that you can start addition to find primes
like
wait nvm
?
Does this make sense for you on 3) ?
Yeah I get it now
Thanks
So the answer is 2^7
But how do I show that thatās the answer
Just write down what I did if you understand it. The answer should be 2^14 no? Since that will be equal to the original sum of 127^2 - 1
Wait so the answer is 14?
yes
But isnāt it asking for the biggest?
Ohhh
They are asking for highest
Nvm
I get it
Tytyty
Glad to help
Yeah
Aight thanks
I just wrote it like that to clarify
Yea?
But for the firsts step
When u toke out the first 2
Isnāt it suppose to be 8064?
jesus christ
127^2 - 1 = 127^2 - 1^2 = (127 - 1) * (127 + 1)
Why you gotta do me like that š©
you're shooting with canons on pigeons
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Use difference of two squares
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Thank you @quasi bison for answering the question regarding i
I am curious about these two question I circled with a blue highlighter
Did I solve them correctly?
a^2-b^2 = (a+b)(b-a)
a^2 =127; b^2=1 (because 1x1=1)
(127+1)(127-1) = 128(126)
128 = 2^7
126= 2*63
128(126)=2^7(2*63)=2^8(63)
hence 2^8 is a factor of 127^2-1
4. this would be too long to solve on the internet, however, I had 5,13, 97 and & 17 as the factors. I am not too sure about 17```
why did you square root?
Me?
also ur -g(x) denom shd be x-5 I think
Hmmm good question.. I saw x^2 and want to find x.. but f(x^2) is actually just y= and not y^2= either just y=
Oh yeah for this I wasnāt sure if I apply -1 to numerator, denominator, or both
When I put the entire fraction in brackets like this and distribute -1 donāt I need to apply -1 to everything? Top and bottom
$-\frac ab = \frac{-a}{b} = \frac{a}{-b}$
Ī£AC
it goes to the numerator it this case
Oh OK
bec itās times -1
OK
So I can only get domain and range from the second question? Or all 4
(0, -1/5) interval notation for the second question but Iām wondering if Itās possible to do this for all 4? Or with set notation too
I donāt know if itās possible to know domain and range of f(x) function without a value added for x?
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hey
Wow i thought u left
lemme see it
u said common factor in all 3 of em , it will be in the 3 ?
there is no 3 in xy
No i meant to something else
u said that the common factor XY is in all 3 of them right?
yes
then im asking will i be always have to check 3 of em?
or it might be somtimes more or less
you could solve them separately in some cases
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Hello guys I need some help with this(xii)
I get 18.77 and 78.77 as my answer but the book has more than 2 answers
because youre looking for 0 < x < 360, this means 0 < 3x < 1080
so when solving for 3x you're looking for solutions in that range
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Can u explain me a bit more
what doesnt make sense to you
Sorry I went to eat
Why am should I get more than 2 answers and how do I get them
you look for solutions for 3x in the range 0 < x < 1080
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Hello kind stranger,
I have the following problem:
I am trying to write a program that will calculate how long a marble will go around a small round circuit before it eventually stops. So if you input Y, it will calculate how many round the marble will do before it stops.
I am timing the ball with a stopwatch and therefore can't get exact lap times.
I am trying to get an equation from the moving average. But I have no idea where to start. Is this possible? I mean the equation doesn't have to be perfect but it needs to be close enough. I tried it with the polynomial equation but that does not work.
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what do you mean with "does not work"
that dotted line looks like a decent enough approximation
Yeah but it is a polynomial equation, so it wont tell you when the ball stops since the eqation doesnt have an end point
hmm ok. I think you need to change your model. did both of the marbles stop after those 18 rounds?
1 after 17,5 and one after around 18
It might seem a bit confusing the screehot that I sent
The marbles basically get shot around the track, but they do not have the same speed at the start. They do however slow down in the same manner, and there should be an equation to be found in the way they slow down.
well you could record the first round, check how long it takes, compare with your reference values of how long each round takes and then go from there
But that won't give me a equation. I need an eqaution because I am writing a program that will calculate where the marble will eventually end if you insert the lap time of the first lap.
that does not mean that you need an equation
or at least not something that I would call equation
just means that you need to find some algorithm
.
But the first round for the algoritm isn't really interesting right?
It is all about calculating backwards
So from the last round (which should be the same time as all other last round)
you just said that you want your program to only work based on the first lap time
Correct. But to know how many round the ball will make after the first lap, we need to know how fast it will slow down from a certain pace right?
And the first round could be highly different than other first rounds because the ball gets shot onto the track with different speeds.
So one time it might take the ball 2.3 seconds to finish the first round and an other time it could take 2.8 seconds. Comparing those wouldn't be usefull right?
no but you could for example check when that first marble took 2.8 seconds
maybe the fourth round took that long.
then the first round of the second marble is roughly equivalent to the fourth of the first
so if the first stops after 18 rounds, the other would maybe stop after 14
Ah okay
Like finding the round time that is closest to round time given.
Interesting, haven't thought about it like that.
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it rigth to do it?
yes
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Hi
dopediscorduser
$4t(-4t +24)=0$
dopediscorduser
$4t=24$
dopediscorduser
$t=6$
dopediscorduser
$-16(6)^2 +96(6) = 0$
dopediscorduser
$576-576=0$
dopediscorduser
not really
look think about it
height can never go below 0 ?
makes sense?
Right
Wouldnāt that be the same answer?
$-16t^2 + 96t \geq 0$
dopediscorduser
$4t(-4t+24) \geq 0$
dopediscorduser
Am I still solving this the same way?
yea
By factoring it out like that
what is the question
the domain of the function?
Yes
$-4t \geq -24$
dopediscorduser
No
you cant get rid of it like that when solving quadratic inequalitoes
I am stuck then
A graph for this?
Okay
Itās symmetrical around t=3
I guess yeah that clearly shows itās at 0 at t=0 and t=6
yeah
but more importantly
you can test the region of x coordinates
and see if it satisfied the inequality
In what case is it best to plot the function and which is it best to try and solve it as an equation?
I donāt think I wouldāve thought to plot it to find the solution on my own
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i need help with discrete mathematics
and understanding truths
i understand some of it but some of the questions i have i dont understand
SO i know the answer
all of them except e and f
are propositions
wht im confused on is the second part
are they asking for a truth table bc theyll all be P im assuming
or do they mean what makes the statement true? im new to this subject so i dont understand fully wht they mean
for example
d is false
bc 5 + 7 does not = 10
but idk if thats wht makes a proposition true or false
this is not P
i need help understanding what is considered a truth value and what isnt
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Okay, so do you know what a propostion is?
yes
Tell me what it's.
Okay, so lets start with first is Boston the capital of Massachussets?
its ok if you dont know this stuff, you can try to help me find someone here to help
Nah, this is simple stuff I guess.
o
I read an article, can basically pick this up.
Okay, so the first one is a true fact so there is no option.
._. but the stuff gets more complex
So, it cannot be a propostion.
Yes, that seems to be the case.
mhm
i need help <@&286206848099549185>
Yes, they are correct.
oki
What do you still need help for?
the second part
E could be either or.
ya
Also wait, I think you made a mistake D is not a proposition either.
yes it is
<@&268886789983436800> this man is helping me and he doesnt know wht he's talking about
What?
So, they don't have to both.
That's what I asked you up top and you said that they are either or...
Bruh...
You literally telling me stuff and then saying I AM WRONG...
please help me get someone else bc you dont understand the material
which is okay
i just need a helper here
Okay, make another ticket!!
Then you can get on the top charts and someone can help...
okay, ill try again
YES! MAKE ANOTHER TICKET.
thank you busty ā¤ļø
lol
You literally blackmailed me...
Yes, you did bruh...
@lean otter don't try to help people if you don't know the material to begin with
liar liar, was reporting you anyways
@golden meteor do not abuse the helper ping
Dude she literally was blackmailing...
But yes, I will stop.
i'll just report you to the mods
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calculate the length of the catheters if the hypotenuse is ā13
that's a catheter?!
huh, i never knew that term, catheter is also something they stick up your peepee in a hospital š
damn
seems like you would know that
can't tell for sure from the font, is that "a + 1" (the number 1) on the vertical side?
yes
yeah; pythagoras
yep pythag that puppy
its tricky
why?
Start by just filling in pythagoras
you'll see you'll get a quadratic (a²), which you can then solve with the quadratic formula
pythag is z^2 = x^2 + y^2, in particular the left hand side should just be 13, not sqrt(13)
and similarly, no square roots on the RHS
he tried to root both sides
yea, no need, that makes it intractable
true
Ye
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so i know that we have to use f(a+h)-f(a)/h to solve this
and i ask my friend
they basically gave me the answer up above but its wrong
i want to learn how to solve it
what part of that do you not understand
i know theres a lot of variables and stuff flying around
yea
so im stuck at
lemme write it down and send it
Iām stuck here
I donāt know whatās the next step
like did they cross multiple or
,rotate
You want to make a common denominator
how do i do that
I guess that's what cross multiplying means
Good
You notice that the numerator is in the form (a-b)(a+b)
yes
What is (a-b)(a+b)?
That's where the sqrt goes
how would i write that?
Write what?
is the sqrt removed since its squared
Yes
Numerator should be -(a+h+1)
Indeed
For now, nothing
You can keep simplifying
Indeed
You can try plugging in 0 for h
Now that there is no h in the numerator your answer won't be indeterminate
So you'll get a valid answer
yea i put that in ()
Your first part is not
ohhh
a+1 must also be in parentheses
You can simplify once more
Then look at the example
That second term should bd $2\sqrt{a+1}$ not $2\sqrt a +1$
Steakanator
be*
Looks like you misunderstood what I said
After taking the limit, your last result should be $\frac{-1}{(a+1)(2\sqrt{a+1})}$
Steakanator
No
As I said, you can simplify once more
And my hint was to look at the example because they do said simplification
would it be 2(a+1)^2?
sqrt is 1/2
so its -1/2(a+1)^1/2
No
You have (a+1)*(a+1)^(1/2)
When you multiply two things with the same base, what do you do with their exponents?
3/2
That's your exponent
okay so the final answer is -1/2(a+1)^3/2?
Yes
Np
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How do I solve this problem
how do i convert this to sine
what have you tried?
@lilac widget He tried to ask the question.
turns out the answer is the product of limits rule
@lilac widget Congratz!
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looking for some help please
for A I found 200 / x km/h
for B I'm having problem though
so i thought about first doing 250km / 3.5 hours = ( 4x km/ h ) + (x-40 km / h)
don't really know what to do
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wtf are they asking me to do here
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Factor the numerator and denominator, then cancel the common term(s)
It can't be factored because you made a mistake with your removal of the absolute value signs
When x=7, what is x^2-100?
That's not at all what they're asking for
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well to solve absolute value limits u need to know the left and right limit
left and right limit are both gonna yield negative in absolute value
but to evaluate the limit u need to use left and right limits
but in this case it doesent matter
I'll be back in a few hours
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i like dont understand what i have to do...
like how to get the answer and the steps to take
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hello!
Iāve been stuck on these 3 problems for the past 5 hours⦠with no exaggeration
for question 4 I attempted to find the inverse function of f(x) but I realized that that would basically lead to nothing however Im not sure if it would lead to nothing as I stopped halfway through when I started the process
For question 5 should I just be applying the g(x) transformations to each of the individual points on the first graph?
and for question 13⦠I just donāt understand the question or what it wants me to do
i think you just wrote magic symbols
correct?
what does f inverse really mean?

