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what kind of triangle is AED?
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nvm'
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haiyaa too long also op already solved it that way also it is wrong
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so I know that the text is implying that integral s <= I <= integral T. but all it is saying is that I must be between both integrals. if integral s = 3 and integral t = 7. you wouldn't say that 7 or 3 is between 7 or 3.
It just seems to be an elementary bound, you will take the supremum over all such s and the infimum over all such t, and if the function is nice enough this will end up being the definition of the integral
two things what is an elementary bound? And I understand that we show that s has a sup S and t has an inf T and if supS = supT then if the lower and upper integral are equal then I exists. but for all this we need the inequality integral s <= I <= integral T
but this leads me back into how we can say a number falls between two bounds if it is the bounds
I just mean bound. For the moment we don't have any notion of what the integral of f should be, but we know that s(x) <= f(x) <= t(x) for all x. In our natural rectangle sense of area we can see that the integral of s <= the integral of t. For the definition of the integral of f to make sense, we require it to be between these values. I think it's less that we can say that, and more that we want it to be true when we make our definition
but in his explanation we use the comparison theorem which explicitly states that integral s < integral t . so s(x) < t(x) and that I is between them. He never states anything about I being equal to.
does your book define the integral? and is this a measure theory course or just basic integration? because there is a more general Lebesgue integral
this is just basic integration and what do you mean by define integration. because first he says there must exist an I between integral s and integral t. which we call integral f(x). then he says that a(q) = I where q is the ordinate set for f(x). then he goes on to say that if the sup S = inf T then I exists. And finally he goes on to prove that supS = inf T. But the thing that is getting me hung up is the equals part in the picture I sent
there is no equals part in the picture you sent
When you say 'there must exist an I' I don't understand. Also are you assuming that f is continuous or piecewise continuous because in general supS =/= inf T?
well in the photo I sent he starts off by saying that we will apply this to general functions. Later on when he shows how to prove that the integral will exist he says that we are only proving this for bounded monotonic functions.
yes I understand that but don't we first need this inequality integral s <= I <= integral T
okay yes these are always integrable
that inequality doesnt appear anywhere
only integral s < integral t
dont make stuff up that doesnt exist
we are trying to define I, it doesn't a priori make sense to talk about it
the sup of a set or sequence need not be in the set or sequence
maybe that's why youre confused?
but this is before we get to the sup s part
then not sure what youre asking
he is just saying that using the comparison theorem there must exist an I that satisfies the theorem
he is not saying that
whats the comparison theorem?
can you show us this part of the text?
here there is no mention of I right?
that was just the definition of the comparision theorem
Ah okay, see the start of the sentence, 'If the integral of f...' this is an explanation of what we would like for our integral to make sense
It is motivation
so he is just saying how we would like to define our integral
He is saying 'this is what we would like to be true for it to be a good definition'
so if we go on with that chain of thought we either get integral s < I < integral t or integral s <= I <= integral t. we know the latter to be true but I don't see how I can get that from the text when he just says I is between these two integrals
maybe you want a book that gets to the rigor more quickly, spends less time on intuition. most students arent like that, but I was like that...
yes
between doesnt mean strictly between
if something is between two bounds I thought it cannot be equal to those bounds
its just conversational english
that would be the phrase strictly between
let say we have bounds 3 and 7
and like, who cares if the equality is ever satisfied
how could 3 be between them
3 is between 3 and 7
but 3 is the bound
between often includes equality
you would say strictly between otherwise
to emphasise
ok
if 3<x<7 is true, then 3<=x <=7 is still true
thats just a weaker version of the statement
but the fact that you're so hung up on the wording MAY suggest a deeper issue you have with the text
or it may not
but examine it
ok
whats your background?
no background
its also not like you ever will actually have integral s = integral f (if f is e.g. continuous)
no analysis knowledge?
well I took calculus last year and wanted to learn it from a rigorous standpoint. And I have no "rigorous math background"
no I understand the only background I have is just high school math
I like Abbott Understanding Analysis
Abbott has a good reputation, never read it
I used for self study if that's what you're doing
my whole objective was too learn calculus in a more rigorous manner and I feel like I have already invested too much time to drop the book now
maybe so. but I feel like that from when I have started the book compared to now I feel like my general skills have improved a good amount
an oddity of analysis is that the Lebesgue integral is simpler than the Riemann integral for rigor
thats great
I think another issue lies in the fact that before this I had no experience with any sort of proofs
you should make learning proof writing/logic a priority before anything else you want to do in rigourous mathematics
I learned it in conjunction with an introductory real analysis course
well thats what the introduction was about
i learned it in lin alg
because he made us prove theorems for field axioms and introduced proof by induction
mostly
so I feel like I have learned some proof skills
the main thing you should be comfortable with is given a statement 'what do I actually need to do here'
to prove it is true
or disprove etc
beginning of Knuth's TAOCP is good for that actually
before he gets to computer stuff
thats discrete math,but still
for proofs?
yeah
ok will check it thanks
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Hello, I need help with statistics.
Addt'l Instructions:
Identify the following;
a.) Variable
b.) Type of data (if quantitative, classify as discrete or continuous)
c.) Level of measurement
d.) Range
e.) Class intervals
f.) Interval width
I'm confused on how I should state the variable
its difficult because it kind of straddles the border of quantitative and qualitative
how would you describe the possible values the RV can take? lets start with that @low aurora
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May I have some help with the questions attached?
The first image is a subproblem that came about in my and my friends' attempts to try to solve the related problem in the second image. My belief is that there are infinitely many such triples, but finding a proof for whatever the case may be has proven difficult. I have been able to explicitly find triples that work i.e (2,8,5), (3,3,7) (and of course any shuffling of these triples works) but that has only come about by being more specific, which doesn't answer the most general case.
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The terms in the r.h.s remind me of the relation between the coefficients and roots of cubic polynomials
I agree, but the problem is that we can set up our -b/a, c/a and -d/a as usual, and make them all positive integers without the individual roots being positive integers... eg x^3+x-1
Or at least, that felt like a problem to me
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why?
But why it is LD?
because 1 * 0 = 0
how can we sure at it?
nah wait
linear independence demands that whenever a sum of scaled vectors is the null vector, the scalar terms themselves are 0
but in your field, you have the scalar 1, and 1 * 0 = 0, but 1 is not 0
i did not get it properly
but in the set of real numbers, you have the real number 1, and 1 * [the null vector] = [the null vector], but 1 is not equal to 0
if they are linearly independent
i guess you are saying that
a1v1+a2v2+a3v3+....=0 so here suppose v1 is null vector
and i am bound that a1 is not 0
but the multiplication will make it zero
so yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
hm
thanks
the proof is like HELL
it's really not so bad
i dont think they are..
existence-based ones can be unintuitive in general, sure
Both of you looks master degree?
no
nah
I graduated and have a bachelors in math, that's it thus far
physics, or maybe just some choice of science, was mandatory for the degree
but my last four semesters consisted solely of math courses, plus some random elective for elective's / variety's sake
they are the elements of the designated field
your vector space can choose R, C, or any other "field" as its set of scalars
can also be 0,1 in mod 2 field
in early linear algebra, you don't define a field, and instead just assume all vector spaces choose the reals as its field
@nocturne brook is this right? π
it sticks me to topic
maybe the complex numbers if you need them
addtion and multiplication both
thanks
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how would i do this assume no calc allowed
i dont know where to start
have you learned l'hopitals rule
sinx/x -> 1
i know that
it wokrs but plz dont
not beautiful 
think about what k said
can't you rewrite sin(2x) as something else
no need for trig mani
l'hopital was my saving grace 
Then use it
how
definitely a tool in exam rooms for speed running π
oh do u know that ap allows desmos now?
if you rewrite sinx as sinx/x
In this case it's pretty quick and useful, I'd say
then what can you rewrite 1/sin2x as so that you end up with the original expression
sin(2x) = 2sin(x)cos(x) kills this problem in particular
wtf
sure
deadass
By dividing numerator and denominator by 2x
though it isn't generalizable
like starting next year?
deadass, i sat the ap calc ab this year.
that doesnt make sense
do you want easy but ad-hoc, or do you want harder but generalizable
amazing news
Lol, then what way would you do it?? Let's listen...
harder
ok
then let me try to explain the general idea that hopefully you can get mileage out of
namely that you can go on to apply it somewhere other than this specific limit question
great
Ann
you know this, right?
yea
Can someone help me with this question?-How many ways can you pick three different numbers from 1 to 1999 so that any two numbers in the chosen set are at least 9 apart?
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is that given a constant $k$, you have $\lim_{x \to 0} \frac{\sin(kx)}{x} = k$
Ann
you can also view this as $\lim_{x \to 0} \frac{\sin(kx)}{kx} = 1$ [same fundamental limit as before] and then multiplying both sides by $k$
ig that makes sense
Ann
yeah ok
oh shit i see where this is going
wait this is beautiful
i didnt think of it like this
Indeed
you can also say $\lim_{x \to 0} \frac{x}{\sin(x)} = 1$
Ann

@karmic stirrup
is it becuase
both sides have to be the same for it to be 1
so u can flop it?
flip
mmm no you're kinda overthinking it
it's just that lim 1/f(x) = 1/(lim f(x)) assuming the limit of f(x) exists and isnt 0
and the reciprocal of 1 is still 1
that make sense?
yea
lim[x->0] x/sin(x) is the same as the cornerstone limit of sin(x)/x just reciprocal'd
alright.
now when it comes to $\lim_{x \to 0} \frac{\sin(x)}{\sin(2x)}$
Ann
as of yet, we don't have any sin(x)/x that we could squeeze out of this
so you'll see that it looks like we can't apply the sin(x)/x limit yet
yes?
yeah
O:
and the way to make it happen is:
$\frac{\sin(x)}{\sin(2x)} = \frac{\sin(x) \cdot x}{\sin(2x)\cdot x} = \frac{\sin(x)}{x} \cdot \frac{x}{\sin(2x)}$
Ann
"squeeze out of this" (reference?)π₯
no, nothing about squeeze thm @narrow crypt
x/sin(2x) will go to 1/2, not 2.
):
oh
wow this is pretty nice
basically kinda introduce the missing x factor for sin(x)/x in this way
lhop is completely soulless
TIL, taking notes
and also unnecessary heavy machinery
i like your solution cuz it doesnt use trig identiys i wouldent know
watch and learn, y'all
Is the answer 1/2?
anytime i see a trig limit in an indeterminate form i pull out my good pal l'hopital

how do u use l'hoptial
But also knowing the identity sin(2x) = 2sinxcosx is very useful, not only for limits
@karmic stirrup (just a side note)
gonna second alberto here
knowing trig identities is pretty useful
but also, the following intuition is useful:
for small values of x, sin(x) β x
if you have a limit in an indeterminate form you can differentiate the numerator and denominator and take that limit
wait lemme write it out
@karmic stirrup have you seen the "engineers think sin(x)=x" meme?
should probably add for radians?
not realy
yes obviously radians!
in calculus you need to put your big girl pants on and use radians all the time
By checking if you have 0/0 or β/β form and applying the theorem
i love sin(x) β x β tan(x) 
the ol' reliable
important: lim f'(x)/g'(x) has to exist
i really need to learn to know when to introduce an x/x factor in all situations that call for it
does it work all the time?
no, you need to be very very careful checking for applicability
- indeterminate
- the derivative exists
There are few cases where it doesn't. Let me send you a video I've watched some time ago
in all honesty though what Ann said is right you should learn the manual way instead of relying on l'hopital
it looks quite simple to do considering most trig functions derivatives loop in a circle
oh dr peyam i love that guy
sin(2x)=2sin(x)cos(x)
sin(x)/2sin(x)cos(x) = 1/ 2 cos(x)
now take the limit as x-->0
lim x tends to 0 (1/2cos(x)) = 1/2cos(0) = 1/2(1) = 1/2
yea thats what a lot of people use it for
well if you're in a time crunch l'hopital could be easier and better
but in general
knowing how to normally do the limit is the way to go
this is correct but late to the punch
yea im in a time crunch got my ap calc final in 3 days and i dont know a lick of it
also @karmic stirrup l'hΓ΄pital is slow-acting brain poison
i mean they work just wrong application, no?
my favorite kinda poison
I can agree
there's like... a select few situations when l'hop is appropriate
but generally
99% of the time there is something better
like the x/x trick
Too overpower ikr
like highschool course?
overusing l'hopital sends you to the hospital i suppose
yea im testing out of ap calc ab monday
ill need it
glgl
yes you could
not recommended
are there situations i wouldent be able to use l'hoptial and would be forced to use reg trig rules
There's no such rule for this, I'd say
you can technically use l'hopitals as long as the limit is indeterminate and the limit with the derivative of the numerator and denominator exists
[ \lim_{x \to \infty} \frac{e^x}{x^3} ]
k
if the derivative doesnt work could i just keep taking the deravtives untill it does work
yes you could
butttt i would strongly recommend that unless you need to solve something on a time crunch don't use l'hopitals
ok yes master ):
and don't think of l'hopitals as your first option when you see an indeterminate limit
because you will see a lot of those in ap exams whenever limits show up
(nvm expansion also works)
quick question how would i take deravitive of this
differentiate each term separately
the - sign applies to the root(x+1)
how do u do the power rule for (x+1)^1/2
Well, if you don't either know derivatives, de l'HΓ΄pital for you is FORBIDDEN...
i know deravtives 1/10 of the time
$\dv{x} (x^p) = px^{p-1}$ works even when $p=\frac12$ or any other non-integer
Ann
Lol
i would suggest u brush up
then lhop is still very much off the table for you
And you think you can apply l'HΓ΄pital? How? π
yeah
pretty much anything can be differentiated by some rule that exists
unlike integrals π
$$\lim_{x \to +\infty} \ \frac{x\ e^x}{e^{2x}}$ $
i wouldent know where to start i havent deal with limits to infity yet
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domination?
This is ... very weird
try expanding e^(2x)
wait what
@karmic stirrup Do you think l'HΓ΄pital works and/or it is useful?
ive worked with em ofc but whenever i compute em i just used a calculator

oh dear
i bet i could im built dif
if you're weak with limits and derivatives testing out of ap calc in 3 days might not be the move
like test to test out of the class
idgi. what do you mean "testing out" of ap calc?
like skipping a year in math
oh so you are taking a test to jump years?
yeah
um
ap can let u jump years??
no
Why r u jumping without knowing the content for the jump test 
well i was planning on studying
for the past 6 months
then i lost my minecraft account
and got in depresion
π


and now its sorta late
then uh...
you can test out of the course in some schools
yea wait i would highly recommend not jumping
considering you are pretty weak with derivatives and limits
jump backwards 
you're already struggling here, and you wanna jump ahead?
which are really foundational
yeah
you'd be skipping so much stuff
ik
why?
but you can't deal with the basics?
Lol
Thats illogical
well you needa know what you're doing to understand the "harder classes"
i'd suggest you just take your ap class
wait.
you have a headstart anyway
nah for the most part i just fail the harder classes but i still end up learning more so i take em anyway
π
are you going in harder classes just for the prestige of being in them?
thats not a good strat
just take the ap class
you have a headstart anyway because you know some calculus
no, see
bits and pieces
yes, you learn from classes harder than your current standard
BUT
if the classes are so hard you understand those as well as you understand arabic
which is to say, you don't
u kinda need to pass classes for colleges..
i dont plan to go to college
then what are the benefits of going to those harder classes?
ok
less stupid people and i can learn more and they are often easier cuz its more test based instead of assigements
well in normal classes tests are worth 50% of my grade so its impossible to pass cuz i dont do assignenemnts but in ap its like 70% so i can pass em
"i don't do assignments"
personal opinion, but i think that's gonna hurt you more in the working world, good sir
i relize
if you realize all this and still choose this route, i suppose i can only wish you luck
you have been warned
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can someone help me understand why absolute value is introduced here
what I understand from this image is that if we have proven that upper I = lower I. Then I exists and it equals upper I and lower I. We also said that integral of f(x) = I. So we can replace Upper I with I and lower I with integral f(x). To get 0 <= I - integral f(x) <= c/n
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The idea is that because the two numbers are both in the interval, the distance between them (hence absolute value) cannot be more than the length of the interval (which is C/n)
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How to solve this?
|1/f(x) - 1/g(x)| = |g(x) - f(x)|/|f(x)g(x)|
Relevant theorem and definitions used:
$\left | \frac{1}{f(x)}-\frac{1}{f(y)}\right |=\frac{\left | f(x)-f(y)\right |}{|f(x)||f(y)|}<\frac{\epsilon }{k^2} =\epsilon '$
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numerator is smaller than epsilon, according to the definition, and denominator >= k^2 because the problem gives |f(x)| >= k
then set epsilon/k^2 to another arbitrarily small variable and done
I still don't see why K^2
k * k = k^2
Why is there two k's
How many f's are there in the denominator
So, why have 1/f(x) - anything?
Wut
?
This is literally from the definition of uniform continuityπ
I havent done real anal yet
But it seems to follow a similar trend to ur generic epsilon-delta proof
|f(x)| and |f(y)| are both greater than k are both implied from the given inequality
Epsilon here is taken from the epsilon used to prove that |f(x) - f(y)|
Whatever it is, we donβt know
But we know that it exists
Which is sufficient
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Would i be able to receive some help interpreting interaction plots?
I am trying to identify some but I am stumped on the significant variables for th ebottom 3. I think I am just genuinely confused what variable A affects and what variable B affects
This is how my prof explains it but I am having a hard time understanding it
To interpret an interaction plot:
the x-axis variable influences the slope of a line connecting the average y-axis value across both levels of the x-axis variable (disregard the line-type variable)
the line-type variable influences the average vertical distance between the lines (disregard the x-axis variable)
the interaction effect is assessed by comparing the slope among the lines (i.e. are they parallel or not).
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Why is it when you reflect a point (a,b) to the line y=x
The image is (b,a)
Pls help
i'm thinking of how best to explain to you in visual form
if a β b,
- the line joining (a,b) with (b,a) always has slope -1 and thus is perpendicular to y=x
- and these two points are at the same distance from the line y=x
Source?
you can prove this yourself
for the second point you will need to know how to find the distance from a point to a line
the 2nd point i obviously know
i cannot give you an academic source on this, sorry.
do you wish to dismiss me as making an invalid and unsubstantiated claim?
i can disappear if so.
Nah don't do that
The first point you made i also understand,
Respectfully Seia you've been typing for 15 minutes
so y = x is the line where all points on it are of the form (a, b), a = b
but if a != b, then to reflect it along the line y = x, we first have to find another point (c, c) on the line y = x
you can choose this point in one of two ways - moving along horizontally until you hit the line, or moving vertically until you hit the line
once done, you move perpendicularly to the first direction chosen the same number of spaces you moved earlier.
so suppose you chose to move horizontally from (a, b) to (c, c) on the line. but on the line y = x, we know that the x and y coordinates are equal.
since horizontal movement only changes the x-coordinate, we can then reason that the point we moved to must be (b, b) (changing the x-coordinate).
the number of steps moved, n must therefore be b - a.
now, we are moving vertically from the line the same number of steps |b - a|. since we are moving vertically, only the y-coordinate changes, and the new y-coordinate is b - (b - a) = b - b + a = a
so the new point is at (b, a), and thus the coordinates have swapped
the image shows what happens if you move vertically first
my bad, i was trying to make sure i could be understood the best i can
i had to rewrite this two times
sorry
i hope i made sense
Yeahhh im sorry but how is moving horizontally until you hit the line and then moving vertically the same amount of distance from when you moved horizontally from the object to the line(mirror) will end you up in the exact point where the image of the reflection is
May you explain
good question. i know that you're asking about the definition of reflection, but let me think of some way to explain to you
may need some time, apologies in advance
Thank you
Take as much time as you need
ok, so let me probe for understanding a little
what do you know about reflection?
how would you define reflection?
A transformation where the image and the object has the same distance to the mirror
With the line connecting them being perpendicular to the mirror
good definition
so that means the object and image must have the same perpendicular distance to the mirror
Easy mode, the reflection across the line y=x induces a linear transformation that sends the point (0,1) to (1,0) and vice versa. This linear transformation can be represented by the matrix A = {{0,1},{1,0}}. If we take a point v = (a,b) and treat it as a column vector we can run the linear transformation forward by multiplying the matrix on the left Av.
This gives us the point (b,a) back.
Yes
now, say you have an object
like this
you know the image must lie on a line intersecting the object as well
but there are infinite ways to draw a line through A with only this constraint
but we have another constraint - the line must be perpendicular to y = x
and we know that the gradients of perpendicular lines are connected by
m1m2 = -1
so whatever line we need to draw here, it must take the form y = -x + c
Ok
if we take the point in the image as an example
A is (3, 5)
so solving for c:
5 = -3 + c
c = 8
our new object-image line is thus y = -x + 8
agreed?
Yes
How?
to do that, we need to find out how far A is from the black line
then, we need to find the point on the other side of the black line that is the same distance away
Yes correct
so zooming in a little
if you don't wanna use the distance formula, let's count steps
so A is one vertical and one horizontal away from the black line. agreed?
Its 1 Γ square root 2
Yes
yeah if you take the straight line distance, but visually, it's (1, 1) away, yeah?
True
so knowing that, and knowing that the image is the same distance away
we can go another 1 right and 1 down
From the grey dot right
however, notice what we have done here
Yes i do
so that means, we take the y-coordinate and subtract 2 (moving down)
and we take the x-coordinate, and add 2 (moving right)
Yes
so we have essentially taken some of the y-coordinate and given it to the x-coordinate
Yes you're correct
but the final important thing that makes this possible is the coordinate of the mirror point
that mirror point has a coordinate of (x + (n/2), y - (n/2)), where n is the number of steps made
/2 because the mirror point is half the journey
What is a mirror point?
Ok
the one circled in green
but here's the thing about that point
it lies on y = x
that means that the x and y-coordinates at this point are equal
so x + (n/2) = y - (n/2)
so if we now also take the second half of our journey
yes!
this tells us that no matter how we chose to move
we will have reduced one coordinate by some number of steps
and increased the other coordinate by the same number of steps
y-n = x
So from the first journey from (x,y) going horizontal for n x+n=y you'd end up in (y,y) and then going down from (y,y) by n you'd end up in (y,x) which is the image?
yes!
excellent reasoning
let's use a number example
suppose our object is (4, 7)
we have two ways of moving for our first half
we can either move right three spaces to reach (7, 7) (x-coordinate +3)
or we can move down three spaces to reach (4, 4) (y-coordinate -3)
Yes correct
but then we have to move perpendicular to our direction to the other side of the line
so if we chose to move to (7, 7), we cannot move up, since that would keep us on the same side of the lline
so we have to move down 3 spaces (remember, same number of spaces)
moving down 3 spaces reduces the y-coordinate by 3
We'll get to (7,4)
correct!
now notice one thing here
if we chose to move one way in the first half
the second half must be done using the other way we didn't choose
otherwise we would remain on the same side of the line and it's no longer a reflection
in this case, we chose to move right 3 spaces first
so the second half we must move down 3 spaces
conversely, if we chose to move down 3 spaces first, the second half we must move right 3 spaces
I understand
Right-down vise versa or left-up vise versa
Ok thank you for explaining
Im gonna close this and review your explanation
I'll reopen if i have some trouble
I appreciate your help
Byeβ
nps, glad to help!
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I would like to know where did i go wrong while taking this integral maybe it might be related to the Si(x) and Ci(x) functions idk since i dont know much about em
The actual answer turns out to be this
oh wait it spoilered it when i saved it too-
i took it from my friend lol
I can explain what i tried to do if i wrote it in a messy way-
The top right part is basically for the partial fraction decomposition stuffy
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Are you sure this integral is supposed to be indefinite
The definite integral is much cleaner
Do you know the values of sin(i) and cos(i) ?
I think your answer is correct
My friend sent the question as an indefinite integral so uh idk
No D:
Ah ok
Do you know euler's identity?
Ye
D:
You need to find the values of cos and sin in terms of powers of e
Substitute -theta instead of theta here
You'll get two equations
Because the line y=x runs diagonally through the plane so when you reflect an object diagram it swaps the horizontal and vertical distances from the line
the e^ix - e^-ix/2i = sinx stuffy?
Uh
Yupp
For thjs one
Now just put i in for x
For coa and sin
Yeah
π
lol
Thank uu
Np
do u think it would become like the answer when i do that?
(Imma close the channel if so)
(Because i dont wanna makw the channel open for too long idk D:)
(panik)
This is actually very cool
Imma try to plug em in now
Oh wait i forgot to write i for x
Yee
It looks like it equals to the same answer
(Definitely didnt get lazy to do the whole thing wdym)
Thank u so much
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hey looking at practice questions and got lost here, isnt this step wrong?
wrong how
Yea
oh. yeah you might be right..
alright thanks
can you show the entire thing just in case
Ye seems wrong
oh yeah ok it's wrong
Should be y^3/3
alright thank you, i thought so
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How do i make it zero without a calculator?
are there any numbers that are predetermined that i should know?
Wdym
Yes, there are common angles you should know from the unit circle
the function should equal zero
so i just need to have the number in mind?
no sinx = -1/2
U can hv common ones in ur mind
Well you really only need to know the first quadrant to rebuild the whole unit circle if you need
But when starting you can also just refer to the unit circle directly
Sinx is negative in 3rd amd 4th quadrant so to get rid of the negative u could represent in (pie) form as in 180 form
Sinx=-1/2
We know sin30=1/2
Amd sin is negative in 3rd or 4th quadrant
So let's say it is in 3rd quadrant
180+ refers to 3rd quadrant
So sinx=sin(180+30)
U can do the rest from here
ohh i think i get it
sin30 equals 1/2
and everything over sin180 equals something negative?
Sinx is also negative in 4th quadrant
Uh that's not how it works
from 320 to 360
ah i understood it like that mb
So do u know where the values of sine,cosine,tangent r positive and negative
not really i didnt need that before
i think there is an easier way to solve the exercise
There is
basically calc input
But this isnt hard
U see in 1st quadrant every single trig function is positive
In 2nd quadrant
Sin,cosec is +,rest -
3rd
Tan,cot +,rest -
4th cos,sec + ,rest-
ahh okay i see
There r reasons behind these ofcourse
But let's move with what we have
So
1st quadrant means 90Β°
Within 90Β°
So sin(90-angle) refers to 1st quadrant ryt?
Yes but u dont need to memorize all of them
no i get this sheet in the exam too
Ohh
By computing the derivative and studying its sign
U alrwady did half ,didnt u
So that you can see where points of max and min occur
U can find the value of x from here ryt
how do i get x to stand on its own when i have sin though?
cause i need one value for x
R u allowed to use calc
U will need two if u want to fiond both extreme points
on which interval ?
On R so ?
R?
yes but i need to keep the x somehow
It isnt a must,is it
If there is notthinh we consider R ig
you can't invoke differentiation then
yeah ok
See
Sinx=sin210
U eliminate the sins u get x=210
Du u get it?
yeah i figured it out now i think
So how many values of x can u get
since you're supposedly on R you gotta report that angle with a "360" multiple
i find x through arcsin
That's same
what are thoses two
U should get two values tho
arcsin can't send back two values
So i think u do know how to get 7(pie)/4
it goes to -pi/2, pi/2 so eliminate the evil one
U gotta mention that one of them is for 3rd quadrant and other is for 4th
i looked at my solution from a couple of months ago and it seems i forgot how i did it back then
you mean it should be the two that you had circled in the other picture?
Yes
so 11pi 6
Yes
But will u be able to find it
In exam without actual maths but js a table
yes
Cuz that's -30
Extreme points?
no value of x
that is wrong, you can't apply arcsin and get two values
Okay so find f''(x)
idk why the teacher marked it as correct
Yeah she didnt get 2 values from arc sin
ill do it
She got one and from there on she found two values vasing quadrants
maybe they don't count it as wrong but it will be in a certain future of math classes
Btw @tardy wedge
If they dont ask u to specify which extreme point is maximum or minimum ,u dont need to find f''(x)
somehow
Ig
but they should have precise you that the arcsin use was also not good
if they were taking it in the count
yeah i know I we just need to use that to make sure its an extreme point
if it doesnt equal zeri
zero
okay thank you for telling me
Arc sin gets u to -30
So u can find two values from there sin is neg in 2 quadrants
sin(x) = sin(a) has two solution, (x = a mod 2pi) and (x = pi - a mod 2pi)
thats what I saw in the table too yeah
so i just read
One of the reasom yea
The other is to know whether it's max or min
yeah i know
Alr find it then
give me 5 mins ill get back to it
the problem is the use of arcsin and the writing of it which leads to presumably the periodicity being forgotten and also arcsin is bijective by definition ! so having two output values (and one of them not being in the range of arcsin) is an error, i don't know if their teacher take it in the count but someday it will and the bad habits will be "anchored"
Yes the presentation is wrong
But otherwise u'll get ryt answers,i suppose they will be taught the proper way later onwards
why not start today ? :)
Write it down or type it out
Might help her out
i did it here
the answers follows
She missed that ig
That's what i meant
But did u find this
im doing it righgt now
okay this was an easier task than i thought
I had just forgotten the methods and that table
but is the arcsin use fine like this?
and translation the first one is a minimum the second maximum @vivid wyvern
Um did u plug in the values of x in f(x)
Not rlly ,u gotta write it in the form he showed
i did
the function is short like that
i only look up its value for cos
in the table
well i guess its fine for now
cause honestly i have never seen that and the teacher never mentioned it
so they wont have a problem with it
and this is my last math module so i hopefully wont come across it again
U deducted the x too from 2cosx ryt?
why should i deduct it?
Hopefully
Here
U need to place the values of x which u got in f(x)
i placed the x into f'(x)
so the -x turns into -1
or hold on it disappears completely cuz i used f''(x)
so it is correct
Lemme tell u u find value of xusing f'(x)
Cuz that's 0 for extreme point
And then u plug in the x in f"(x) to determine whether the extreme points exist ang which one is max and which on is min
Ok ryt i misunderstood sorry
I thought they asked u ro determine the extreme vallues of the function
yes haha i got confused for a moment
U r good,u did it ryt
yeah
and thanks again
was easier than i thought
one min
was this what you two meant?
Similar ig
What does the n mean here
Any positive integer ig
If u multiply with any positive integer ,it refers that the the angle is in 1st quadrant where every function including sin is positive
yes for any positive
yeah and so you get every value for sin because it has 'multiple' every 2pi
since you on R (presumably) the n can be negative aswell
i.e in Z
yeah thats right
Ja stimmt
For this sin will be positive only if n is positive
Or am i tripping
it depends the values of x
erklΓ€rung auf deutsch wΓ€re schneller gewesen lol
i guess so
Anyway our real prob was solved ryt
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Anyone got any source with problems in math for knowledge up to calc 3 ? Or ODEs/PDEs too
Like any problem that utilizes calc2-3 and differential equations at any degree might be straightforward asking to calculate an integral or be a general problem thats solved through this
If anyone has a good source online thats free
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I am stuck with this task i do not know how to go about it, im sending what i did in a sec
U can't solve $2t^2-7t-4<0$ ?
yes
Alexis_Fx
ts factorable
Hmm have u learnt how quadratic function behaves?
i don't think so?
it sounds rly familiar but i don't know so im better off just saying no
What about derivatives?
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i dont think op knows derivative π
i went through it but i forgot it all
π₯Ή
maybe briefly review this video
and ur sleeper agent might be activated
who knows
k with the 2s orbital pfp and a status saying chemistry is for nerds π 
chemistry is for nerdds
electron is in physics

okay will do
Dont think you ead this to solve the question?
