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glad anchor
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your saying we shouldnt assume b < a

nimble blaze
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no

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stop putting words in my mouth

glad anchor
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sorry? im just trying to understand

naive agate
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b has to be less than a tho, no?

nimble blaze
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yes

naive agate
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So for example, if b was 5 and a was 9, it would be 6+7+8?

nimble blaze
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yes

naive agate
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Ok cool. That makes things easier. Cheers.

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buoyant solstice
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i'm trying to prove rigorously that the Gaussian integers are not a field. I know all I have to do is just identify one nonzero element that is not a unit, but is there a way to rigorously prove something is not a unit other than just saying "clearly no product with this element and another from the ring will give the multiplicative identity" ?

buoyant solstice
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like I was just like "take the complex number 2 from the gaussian integers. clearly, no other gaussian integer can be multiplied by 2 such that their product is 1"

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is this sufficient? or should i say that in the regular set of complex numbers that the "inverse" of 2 is 1/2, and since that inverse is unique to the set of complex numbers and the gaussian integers are a subset that no such unit exists in the gaussian integers?

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jaunty magnet
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I need to be able to assign numbers a value between 0 and 100 based on their position between two numbers.

In this situation I have a given min and max, for example 32.5 and 78.2. If my input number was 32.5, it should output 0 and if my input number was 78.2 it should output 100. Any value between these two should give a value indicating its position between the two. For example the halfway point should output 50. The term linear interpolation comes to mind but I might be completely off base, can't figure this out either way.

dim thicket
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if your min is a and your max is b

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you might want to assign 0 to a and 100 to b

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so you would have two points (a,0) and (b,100)

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do you know how to find the equation of a line between two points?

jaunty magnet
dim thicket
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do you need the explanation or just a formula?

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@jaunty magnet

jaunty magnet
dim thicket
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okok well the slope of a line is given by its rise over its run

jaunty magnet
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I genuinely need like an equation where I can just plug those 3 numbers in and get the output 0-100

dim thicket
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yes

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for a linear interpolation (a line that is) the gradient is constant

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and is given by rise over run

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so in your case your equation is gonna look something like $y=\frac{100x}{b-a} + c$

clever fjordBOT
dim thicket
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where x is your input and y is your output

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and c is a constant that we need to figure out

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when x=a we want y=0

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so we can solve for c :

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$y=\frac{100x}{b-a} + c \implies 0=\frac{100a}{b-a} + c \implies c = -\frac{100a}{b-a}$

clever fjordBOT
dim thicket
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putting all this together you get $y = 100 \cdot \left( \frac{x-a}{b-a}\right)$

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@jaunty magnet

jaunty magnet
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Thank you!

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I'm curious though, with the latex noation. Why is it that if I put this into Google and I want the correct result, I need to wrap both subtraction operations separately e.g. 100 * (154.234 - 100) / (200 - 100)

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Is that equivalent to what that notation actually means?

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keen hearth
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do you have the "given triangle"

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yk that perpendicular point

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give it a name

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ok now call AX = x and XC = y

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then see if you can do it

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try plugging in tan alpha and tan gamma into your original equation

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b tan alpha tan gamma / (tan alpha + tan gamma)

keen hearth
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Its a "show that question"

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so if you start with the RHS and get the LHS you win

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Well done

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Yep

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you just proved LHS = RHS

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I mean

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you can "derive" it in the sense that

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you just start with b (h/f) ...

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and then end up with just h

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mystic saffron
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I was wondering why the answer was 4 and 3. I thought I would be able to use arc length/radius = radiant for this.

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I found the radiant to be 5 pi/12

fiery smelt
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75 degrees to radians in 5pi/12

mystic saffron
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Yea

fiery smelt
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the arc length formula that you're using states s = rθ

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where s is the arc length and r is the radius and θ is your angle in radians

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so basically

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multiply your radians by the radius

mystic saffron
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5pi/12 * 13?

fiery smelt
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yea

mystic saffron
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It ends up being 3

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On the questions.

fiery smelt
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5pi * 13 is 65pi

mystic saffron
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Does the question have an incorrect response as the answer than?

fiery smelt
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no ?

mystic saffron
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Oh sorry. When I answer 65pi/12 originally on the quizizz, it marked it wrong.

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I was wondering how it was four, but it seems like a error on the quiz part.

fiery smelt
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well i mean technically A is right too

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its an approximation of 65pi/12 as a decimal

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B and D are not right though

mystic saffron
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Yeah. Thank you for confirming it.

fiery smelt
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no prob

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vapid flint
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I need help on number six, im still a bit confused on this lesson so i dont quite understand the question

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pls ping

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vapid flint
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1

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or something idk how to do it

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!1

glass trench
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i mean

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can it just be any function?

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because then you just draw some random curve with those properties

vapid flint
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idk man probably i just woke up from a hangover

glass trench
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💀

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if you don't knwo the questoin

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i can't really help

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ok

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ill just close it first

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vast crag
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Can anyone help

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lilac wharf
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south plume
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woah

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1 by 1

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which one are you struggling with

vast crag
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I understand most of the questions except these

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Can we start with this

south plume
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okay

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triangles ABE and DBC are similar

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do you get that?

vast crag
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Yes

south plume
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great

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that means that all lengths within those triangles are proportional

vast crag
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Ok

south plume
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what's the ratio of AE to DC

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you know their lengths

vast crag
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Yes 20 and 10

south plume
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also is this a test?

vast crag
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No

south plume
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okay

south plume
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what do you get?

vast crag
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2

south plume
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great

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that means that ABE is twice as big as DBC

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or to put it differently, DBC is half the size of ABE

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the height of ABE is h

south plume
vast crag
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18

south plume
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no

south plume
vast crag
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I’m confused now

south plume
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if the height in ABE is h, and DBC is half the size of ABE, then what's the height in DBC?

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don't use the 36

vast crag
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2/h

south plume
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almost

glass trench
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so close

south plume
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1/2 h

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half of h

south plume
south plume
vast crag
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Yes

south plume
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great

south plume
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right?

vast crag
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Yes

south plume
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great

south plume
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now, solve for h

vast crag
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24

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sorry i thought i entered the answer

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Can anyone help with this

south plume
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if you show that the diagonal is less than the diameter, then it fits

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otherwise, it doesn't

vast crag
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ok

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Can anyone help with this

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glass trench
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so

tawdry sierra
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Find the length of CD

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Ok

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Who's answering this

glass trench
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oh do you wanna take this

tawdry sierra
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Uh sure

glass trench
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ok

tawdry sierra
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Alright

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First you have to find the length of CD

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To do this, construct BE

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let me open paint

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Do you understand how the green line is 7

vast crag
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Yes

tawdry sierra
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Do you know the pythagoras theorem?

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You have to use the to calculate the red line(I'll send a pic)

vast crag
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Yes

tawdry sierra
clever fjordBOT
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diaas_(yt)

tawdry sierra
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which is also equal to CD as they are paralell

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Now you have to use Pythagoras's theorem one last time to calculate $\sqrt{11^2+(\sqrt{207})^2}$

clever fjordBOT
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diaas_(yt)

tawdry sierra
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Which will be your AC

clever fjordBOT
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diaas_(yt)

vast crag
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Thank you

tawdry sierra
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That should be your answer.

vast crag
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Can you help with another question

tawdry sierra
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Sure why not

vast crag
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I got one mark for this

tawdry sierra
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Ah man

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Let's see

vast crag
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Can you help with this instead

tawdry sierra
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which

vast crag
tawdry sierra
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Yeah sure

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So they've given AC AB BE and AD

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First prove that the triangles are similar

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They have 2 equal angles, A and the ABE ACD pair..

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So they are similar

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next use the property AB/AC = AE/AD=BE/CD

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Work it one at a time, let me do it for you

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AB/AC=8.2/12.3=BE/CD=3.8/CD

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82/123=38/CD

vast crag
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Shoot

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I’m so sorry

tawdry sierra
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what happened?

vast crag
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I finished that question

tawdry sierra
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Oh lol 😂

vast crag
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It is this one

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I sorry

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I’m

tawdry sierra
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Smart people, your teachers

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if you assume ABE and ACD to be similar

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10/x=15/3=5

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x=2

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That's one of the answers, give me a sec.

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Idrk about the second one

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It's a good question

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Or maybe I'm dumb today

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Ok I think I got it

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Assume CDA and BEA to be similar

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You'll get (x+10)/10=18/15=6/5

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oh shoot, you get x=2 again...

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My bad

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yeah sorry i don't get it

vast crag
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Thank you for the help

late dust
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Could be that AEC and ABD are similar

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Would be a pretty stupid question

vast crag
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Can anyone help

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I got this but it is only 2/3 marks

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Can anyone still help

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@vast crag Has your question been resolved?

novel finch
vast crag
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?

novel finch
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  1. YOU DONT REALLY NEED SQUIGGLY EQUAL SIGNS, √ DOESNT TAKE AWAY FROM THE ACCURACY OF THE MEASUREMENT
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  1. INCLUDE UNITS I GUESS;
    DIAGONAL = √(98CM^2) = (√98)CM
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  1. A BETTER ENDING EXPLANATION ?

THOSE ARE THE 4 WAYS I CAN SEE U LOSING MARKS

vast crag
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I tried them it didn’t work

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Can anyone think of another assumption other than abe and acid are similar x=2

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bronze fox
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Not drawn, but you could say triangles ABD and CBD are similar? Then you get a different x.

bronze fox
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@vast crag

vast crag
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It didn’t work

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@bronze fox

bronze fox
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What did you get for x?

vast crag
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Or I don’t know what to put for x

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I didn’t put one

bronze fox
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Let’s find x. Are the triangles similar if CD and AD have the same length?

vast crag
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Can anyone help

grim pulsar
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ok im here

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think about the triangle

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there are two possibilities

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the first possibility is: CA,DA is similar to BA,EA

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and the second possibility, which is kinda tricky

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is that DA is similar to BA, and CA is similar to AE

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now here you go

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so for the first possibility, which CA is similar to BA, and DA similar to EA, you easily find that x= CA-BA = 12-10 = 2

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@vast crag

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and for the second possibility, when DA is similar to BA, you can find that the proportion is 1.8

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therefore x = CA-BA = 18-10-8

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I hope this help

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queen talon
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isn't that the solution

grim pulsar
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i dont know

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we have to ask him

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i mean @vast crag

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SOMEONE HELP

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Let $d_1$ and $d_2$ be two topologically equivalent metrics on $X$. As we know, a sequence converges with respect to $d_1$ if and only if it converges with respect to $d_2$. But then it also holds that every Cauchy sequence with respect to $d_1$ is a Cauchy sequence with respect to $d_2$?

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Levens

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can someone help me

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why is theta in Q3?

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i dont get it

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cant it literally be in any quadrant cause it does a full revolution

high mango
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it says in the problem that theta is between π and 3π

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Now if cos theta is negative, it's in quarter 2 or 3 right

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but π ≤ theta ≤ 3π means that theta is after quarter 2

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so it has to be quarter 3

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you have to learn what the signs of each trig function are in each quadrant, a negative cos has to be in quadrant 2 or 3

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back to

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q2

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?

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cause its 3pi

high mango
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You’re right it totally can

fringe sail
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i think my teacher might have messed up

high mango
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That’s a poorly posed question then

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Yea haha

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Let X1..Xn be a random sample from a population with CDF F(x) = x ^ theta , 0 < x < 1. find a sufficient statistic for theta

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<@&286206848099549185>

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are you a helper

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seems like ur tagged as one

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can you help me with this one?

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Let X1..Xn be a random sample from a population with CDF F(x) = x ^ theta , 0 < x < 1. find a sufficient statistic for theta

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i replied to my earlier message

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This is what I got

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Would the answer be 5???

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It says round final answer which kinda scares me fr

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But maybe if it's someone picks the wrong one fr

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Someone please verify

mint mirage
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If you get a whole number, you get a whole number and that's fine

mint mirage
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If you did the math right, sure

light zodiac
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🙏

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I'm scared😭

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Yay

light zodiac
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I think this one won't be too hard

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(-4, 5.6)

light zodiac
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NVM it was correct

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It's A right <@&286206848099549185>

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Oki ty

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My ultimate enemy

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I'm so lost

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I don't get the ab=1/3bc part

lapis willow
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let me draw this out

light zodiac
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Okay ty

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Can I rewrite that as a ratio

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Idk how

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Is the whole thing 4/3s

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I'm not sure

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I will afk for like 10 min (prob a little more)

lapis willow
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So explanations are in, this method is a more visual-efficient way of understanding the question

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@light zodiac

light zodiac
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Uhhh

lapis willow
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U have the answer?

light zodiac
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So AB is a third of BC right

lapis willow
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Yes

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Absolute Value wise yes

light zodiac
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Idk how to do it😭

lapis willow
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? Which part u do not understand?

light zodiac
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Wait lemme take a stab at it I'll ping you when I'm ready fr

lapis willow
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ok

light zodiac
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Yeah I have no clue what I'm doing

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I get to as far as like the middle of your second page

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But I get lost from there

lapis willow
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ah i see

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u start from the right then u look to the left

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u know the formula to get the hypotenus of a triangle right?

light zodiac
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Pythagorean theorem

lapis willow
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u use that to get a figure of square root 80

light zodiac
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And distance formula

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which is the same as square root 5 times 16

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that can later be simplified into 4times square root of 5

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so u just find x as the hypotenus is 4x/3

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then u substitue back to find AB

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nvrmind i just do the explaination

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since AB can form a smaller triangle inside of the triangle made from AC

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the would have the same shape but different ratio

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This is what I get 😭 😭 😭 😭

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only works if it is on the tip

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Oh wait

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I messed up

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Fr

lapis willow
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Fr

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u try doing it part by part

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I cant😭

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Idk what to do after getting 4 and 8

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@lapis willow I'm lost😭

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u know how to get 4x/3 right?

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Is the answer (3, -5)

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Idk😭

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the answer is (1,2)

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Oh wat

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Not B

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sorry bad handwriting

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is B(1,2)

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wait

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i notice

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i missing a step

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yeah

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my bad

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lapis willow
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should be 5,-3

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Oh why

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That doesn't look like one third of BC fr

lapis willow
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It looks like it's off the line

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<@&286206848099549185>

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wait

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what?

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sorry then my bad

light zodiac
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(5,-1) looks right

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@lapis willow wat ur thoughts

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Or uh B I mean

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But this looks like fourhts

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Fourths

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Yo wrong person

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@light zodiac

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HI

lapis willow
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my bad wrong method

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i got the answer

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YAY

lapis willow
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(16/3,-1/3)

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Wat the

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To find the position of point B on line AC such that AB is 1/3 BC, you can use the following method:

  1. Find the coordinates of point B, denoted as (x, y).

  2. Use the midpoint formula to find the coordinates of the midpoint M between points A and C:
    M(x_m, y_m) = ((x_A + x_C) / 2, (y_A + y_C) / 2)

  3. Since AB is 1/3 BC, you can find the coordinates of point B by moving 1/3 of the distance from point A to the midpoint M:
    B(x, y) = (x_A + 1/3 * (x_m - x_A), y_A + 1/3 * (y_m - y_A))

Now, you can plug in the coordinates of points A and C to calculate the position of point B.

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Do u have the answer

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No

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so asnwer correct?

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5,-1 is correct

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ok

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guess i need to do more Questions now

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oh

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how the hell i went from 1-2=-3

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LOL

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my bad tho

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sorry been braindead from doing too much calculus

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nice

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i’m confused how they got 3x^2

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here is the previous work

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$\frac{dy}{dx}=(x^3+2)'(x^2-1)^4+((x^2-1)^4)'(x^3+2)=(3x^2)(x^2-1)^4+((x^2-1)^4)'(x^3+2)$

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大野雄大 👻

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because $(x^3+2)'=3x^2$

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well said

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basically subtracted one from the power to get 2

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and multipled the 3 to x

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okay wait

maiden badger
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the 2 leaves because the dx of a constant is zero

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product rule is f'g+g'f

thin void
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so why did they decide to use the chain rule for this then? because it takes a lot or steps to solve this:?

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they used the chain rule for that then went to product rule

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its a composite function

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so its much easier to use the chain rule than use the product rule 4 times

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because higher powers above 2 its easier

thin void
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ohhh

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imagine foiling (x^2-1)(x^2-1)(x^2-1)

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its like a unwritten calc rule

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help with part a please

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You have dA/dt, and A=pi×r^2. So you have d(pi×r^2)/dt. Can you simplify this in terms of dr/dt?

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would it be dr/dt = 1/(pi x R)?

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Just check the calculation again

placid wagon
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wait ignore the =-0.5 at the end

lost helm
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Shouldn't d(pi×r^2)/dt be 2pi×rdr/dt?

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u have to derive it when taking it out?

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Yes. Product rule

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oh yh mb

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d(fg)/dt=fdg/dt+gdf/dt

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So now you can work out dr/dt when r is 8 cm

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is this right?

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The method looks right. You can check the calculations using a calculator.

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ok thanks

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The assignment says to convert that to interval notation, how would I do that?

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Use implicit differentiation

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$\frac{d}{dx}\left(xy-2y = 1-x^3\right)$

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Disorganized

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Oh, there's a formula for that

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You need this derivative though, the dy/dx

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Haven't noticed what

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Idk how to solve this. My attempt equations was

N + D = 44
0.05n + 0.10d = 3.10
And then I multiplied the second equation by -10 so the dime values cancel out and solve but I get -3.25 which is wrong….

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This is what I did

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That should be -0.5n catThumbsUp

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A pleasure happyCat that should hopefully sort it for you!

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need help solving

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yes but how do I work backwards?

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What's the quadratic formula?

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x=-b+/- the sqaure root of b^2 - 4(a)(c) over 2(a)

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Good now you can compare it with the problem

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You have (-4 +/- sqrt(-124))/(-14)

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Do you see how -14 relates to 2a?

opal osprey
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yes a = -7

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Can you do the same with b?

opal osprey
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the +/ -4 sqrt(-124) is making me stuck

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What -4sqrt(-124)?

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yeah

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I'm asking what because I don't see a -4sqrt(-124)

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I see a -4 +/- sqrt(-124)

opal osprey
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this part

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$x = \frac{-b \pm \sqrt{b^2 - 4ac}}{2a}$ as mentioned, that's the quadratic formula
You have $x = \frac{-4 \pm \sqrt{-124}}{-14}$ and as mentioned, the 2a is related with -14 so you found that a = -7, what does b relate to?

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CaptainNova22

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Do you see how the stuff under the root, the b^2 - 4ac is related to -124?

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And how -b relates with -4?

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You can compare terms like that

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cold urchin
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What values of x are not allowed

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I don’t know

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Long day

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Look at the denominator

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I see -1

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We know the denominator can’t be 0

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well x^2 isn’t allowed to be 1

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How you determine that?

cold urchin
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the denominator isn’t allowed to be 0

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x^2 - 1 = 0

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When x^2 = 1

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cold urchin
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So solve for x

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And the domain is R \ {those values of x}

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Right

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So the domain is R \ {-1,1}

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I see

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totally true

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why is there a negative infinite to -1

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because that's where the domain starts

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R is like (-infinity, +infinity)

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I'm confused on where to continue from this point

nocturne basin
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(calc 2 trig integration)

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ah, that's not the ideal approach here

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what you generally want to do is use like double-angle type formulae to reduce the powers

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for example, sin(x)^2 cos(x)^2 = 0.25sin(2x)^2

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so that reduces it from power 4 to power 2

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and then if you reduce it to power 1 then you can just integrate it easily right

nocturne basin
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oh I see
I've never done that before
I think I will search a youtube video on it
is there any way to continue from the point where I'm at, though? or am I at a dead end

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uhhhh tbh it's easier to go from where you started

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you could continue

nocturne basin
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oh so it's very hard?

stone cipher
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not really

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it's just slightly more annoying

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like essentially sin^4 is about as annoying to deal with as sin^2 cos^2

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essentially there's two things in where you ended up and only one thing where you started

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so the thing you started with is easier

nocturne basin
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could you tell me where to go with the slightly more annoying route? unless it's like 10 more steps

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I think it would deepen my understanding

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because I get really confused when it comes to converting dx to du

stone cipher
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wdym

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the slightly more annoying route is just like, what i said but applied to sin^4

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still need to turn sin^4 into like a power 1 thing

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u-substitution isn't the way here

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i can't easily justify it but yeah trust me lol

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ohhh nvm then lol that sounds out of my curriculum

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it's not actually that hard

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like ok

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i basically turned it into sin(2x)^2 already didn't i

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so call that sin(y)^2

nocturne basin
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I'm not sure where you are going nor where you're coming from

stone cipher
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then the point is that

cos(2y) = cos^2(y) - sin(y)^2 = (1 - sin^2(y)) - sin^2(y) = 1 - 2sin^2(y)

so sin^2(y) = 0.5(1 + cos(2y))

so sin^2(2x) = 0.5(1 + cos(4y))

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so i already showed that what you started with was 0.25 sin^2(2x)

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so like

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it's actually 0.125(1 + cos(4x))

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and now you can integrate that right

nocturne basin
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yeah

stone cipher
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it's just trig identities

nocturne basin
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so I should have used the purple ones on the bottom

stone cipher
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yes

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and the first pink one

nocturne basin
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oh wow
so much stuff to remember

stone cipher
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yeah integration is a bit of an art

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with a bunch of associated tricks

nocturne basin
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is there a way to know when you're supposed to use certain methods or is it just something you subsciously figure out?

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it's an art lol

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you learn to recognise things

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so it's like, ok

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so for anything that looks like this with powers of trig functions

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you can basically always reduce them like this

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so that's one tell

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but also if you have like sin^3(x) cos(x)

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then that's clearly just u^3 du/dx where u = sin(x)

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so you should do that instead, it's easier

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the u-sub works in that case

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it doesn't work in this case because like

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the powers

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even

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but yeah there are certain indications that you should use some method or trick or whatever

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so the first one I used distribution and then I used FOIL

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are you confused with e. or you don’t know how to do b.?

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E

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Looks like you mixed up trying to common denominator the PARENS and cross multiplying

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wait

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like

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don’t multiply it by x?

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Yea, you don't need to multiply by x and x + 2 as you did

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Just common denominator inside the brackets to start with, and then afterwards, you basically have the product of two fractions

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Ok so

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I have

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Alternatively, when you're multiplying them, look what you have in common catThink

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Oh yes

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ok

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I got

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Final

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x(-x+2)

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I have a clarifying question

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Problem C

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oops I forgot to put little 3

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Can someone help me proof this by induction?

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n≥2

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can anyone make out how we're getting R, Z, and whatever the fuck that other symbol is in the denominator?

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because you're dividing by the product of those three

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since each term only concerns a particular variable, the ones that are not affected by the particular derivative of that term will get cancelled out, leaving you with terms that only depend on r, phi, and z

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for example, the first term only involves rho derivatives, so phi and z functions will "pass through" it and will cancel with the ones in the denominator

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the R in the numerator, on the other hand, still gets acted on by the derivative so it can't cancel the R in the denominator

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dire spoke
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Help on C

mystic saffron
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what did u find the extrema to be

dire spoke
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I found the dervs and second derv so far

mystic saffron
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or have you not found them yet?

dire spoke
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Idk what an extrema really is tbh

mystic saffron
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just a maximum or a minimum

dire spoke
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Oh

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X=0

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X=400

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Those are the local max and mind

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Mins

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Or global idk the difference actually

mystic saffron
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have you found any other critical points via the derivative

dire spoke
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How do you know if its a global or local point

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I found the second derv

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And plugged in

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Stuff

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And ik which ones the max and min

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But not global or local

mystic saffron
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we'll get to that. Just calm your horses for a bit because we're jumping between stuff very fast

dire spoke
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LOL sorry

dire spoke
mystic saffron
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yes that's better

dire spoke
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I dunno if its actually local

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Im just guessing

mystic saffron
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okay so you got pretty lucky in that you found the critical points to be your bounds anyways

mystic saffron
dire spoke
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No

mystic saffron
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ok

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so

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on a finite continuous interval you are guaranteed to have a global maximum and minimum

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that's the gist of it

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you are considering a finite continuous interval 0<= x <= 400

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you have found two points f(0) and f(400) to be a minimum and a maximum

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so by the extreme value theorem, they are....

dire spoke
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Im lost

mystic saffron
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you are guaranteed to have a global minimum and maximum in a finite continuous interval

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you have found a maximum and a minimum

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the theorem tells you you will have global extrema

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so like, in conclusion what can you say?

dire spoke
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Wait

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So

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I dunno

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Do i have a finite continuous interval?

mystic saffron
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yeah

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you do

dire spoke
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So

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I do have a global

oblique echo
# dire spoke I do have a global

Mhmmm, so its a finite interval and if you determined its a maximum usinx extreme value theorem if [a,b] is continuous we ensure there exists an absolute and local maximum, as well as an absolute local minimum.

dire spoke
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Im confusion

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Mhmm

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So

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How do ik if 400

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Is local

oblique echo
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Well I mean plug it into the function and rank them in order

dire spoke
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I plugged in 400

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And got 1600

oblique echo
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First calculate the derivative and determine the critical points.

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once u have plug those points in and find those values and contrast it to the values of ur endpoints.

dire spoke
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I plugged in 400

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Got 1600

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And 0

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Got 0

oblique echo
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Mk find the critical points and do the same thing

dire spoke
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Aren’t the crit points

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400

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And 0

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?

oblique echo
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Critical points are where f' = 0 or DNE. But A maximum obviously has to a finite point and a value so DNE depending on the scenario if its a cusp then maybe, but if its a vertical asymptote the values would be infinite as we get close to that vertical asymptote.

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Aren't you on Application of Derivatives?

dire spoke
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Ummm

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I think so

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Yea so

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The crit points

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Are 400 and 0

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Because thats when f’ is 0

oblique echo
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Alright.

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Then x = 400 is where ur absolute max is and 0 is where absolute min is.

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For the EVT by the way you always want to evaluate the endpoints, but a common mistake is people just evaluate the endpoints and then rank them. No, don't do that. You always want to evaluate the critical points as well and then plug in and find all the values.

dire spoke
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This one has me lost

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I dunno the first step

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D/dx

oblique echo
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Ima do the question and show you.

dire spoke
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Okayy ty

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I got to like

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(dy/dx)x + dy/dx= dy/dx(90x)

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But thats me totally guessing

oblique echo
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evaluate that

dire spoke
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You lost me at when

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You

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Lined in f and g

oblique echo
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what confuses you?

dire spoke
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How did it all become f’g

oblique echo
dire spoke
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Yes.

dire spoke
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💔

oblique echo
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Do you understand Leibniz's notation I don't think you do based on how you stated that.

dire spoke
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Nop

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I was trying

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To go off my teachers example

oblique echo
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You shouldn't be doing problems if you don't understand the basic things with all due respect. You should fill in the gaps of knowledge and then move onwards.

dire spoke
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Thats my teachers example

oblique echo
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Alr ima solve it too.

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Yk I can help you, but I gotta go soon I got stuff to do.

dire spoke
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Okk

dire spoke
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Its solved

oblique echo
oblique echo
dire spoke
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Mhmm

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So

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Did u see

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What I misinterpreted

oblique echo
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dy/dx)x + dy/dx= dy/dx(90x)

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Yeah its evident.

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So in implicit differentiation, you cannot actually just solve for dy/dx like that. Although you may believe that initially. Its called "implicit" beacuse its implied we find dy/dx after differentiating both sides. Picturize it as confusing differentiation.

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What your first mistake was you should have done

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d/dx (xy+y) = d/dx (90x)

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d/dx (xy) + d/dx (y) = d/dx (90x)

dire spoke
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Ohhhh i did do that

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But i forgot

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To

oblique echo
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Uhhhhhhh I don't think so.

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Because you did dy/dx90x that is impossible

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dy/dx is not an operator.

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You are confusing the meaning of the notation.

dire spoke
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Oh yea

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Idk why i put the y

oblique echo
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dy/dx = SOMETHING
(The derivative) = SOMETHING
d/dx (derivative operator)

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d/dx is a derivative operator you have to differentiate something

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think of it like a machine

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sin(x) for example

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sin(x) by itself doesn't mean anything unless we plug a value in for x

dire spoke
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Mhm yea I understand idk why i did that lol

oblique echo
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it will then return an output

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Don't excuse your mistakes, because that is quite a silly mistake. You should understand this notation crystal clear at this point if ur on implicit differentiation.

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No needa feel embarassed or upset abt it, but if u don't understand the true meaning which I believe is the case ur digging urself in a deeper hole.

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Alright Jessica, I can assist u for 15 more mins but after that I am leaving sorry got things to do.

dire spoke
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No yea I get it

oblique echo
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Ur sure?

dire spoke
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If it was 90yx tho

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I could do dy/dx 90x?

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Oh

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Then maybe i dont

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🪦

oblique echo
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No worries.

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So your confused on the notation.

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Lets address that.

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So note dy/dx = something. In written terms we would say The derivative equals something.

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Now d/dx is completely different than dy/dx in the sense that we cannot put an equals sign.

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Because d/dx is a derivative operator

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it does something, which is it differentiates a function/polynomial.

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Thing of d/dx as a machine

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we put something in the machine (OUR INPUT)

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the machine does something to our input and returns an output