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it already did it for you
well
it gives me the result
but i guess i dont want the result
it should give me <0,0,L,> also
maybe i inputted it weird
i just like want it to show me the undefined variables
well i guess they are defined
ah nvm
idek what i want
it will show you the variables when the result isn't as trivial as straight up 0s
rip
also
so you want maple to not simplify the computation or what
you wanted to say something here ?
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can someone help me figure out how to apply velocity over time in desmos? i need to be able to do something like this:
P_theta=P_theta+P_velY
what do you mean
you can use desmos actions
do you want to plot or continually add by clicking a button?
you can use recursion if you want to plot, or actions if you just need the value
@misty sundial
continually
sorry, wifi keeps going out
i want to use a slider to add or remove to another var
oh
ok
so like
when you change a slider
you can just do
this should work for now
ok
https://discord.gg/unofficial-desmos-655972529030037504 might help you
yea, this isnt working but i feel like its my fault for using desmos for something it was never meant to do
ill just wait till i get home where i can test this stuff in the engine im using, instead of desmos
@vast shale thanks
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can anybody help me with this?
i don't know where to start
I've been falling behind in math class so much π
Even the first one?
.
basically you have to observe the pattern and build an general formula for it
im okay with sequences
the problem is making general terms and formulas
cuz i dont get how it works
i know it subtracts by 2
each number
arent u supposed to do it recursively
like f(n+1) = f(n) + 2
and f(1) = 1
idk how should the sequences be denoted
maybe a_n+1 = a_n + 2
why did I write * 2 instead of + 2
what's the ratio
wdym ratio its an arithmetic sequence
there is no ratio in arithmetic sequence tho
alright, cool
what's the first term of the sequence?
π
-2
you subtract 2
correct
here we will write $a_1 = -2$
MethIsAlwaysRight
this denotes that the first element of the sequence a will be -2
Okie dokie
we will write this as $a_{n+1} = a_n - 2$
MethIsAlwaysRight
this means that next element is generated by subtracting 2 from the previous element
so $a_3 = a_2 - 2$
MethIsAlwaysRight
this would mean that third element is just second element - 2
and we write it generally like this
wait
is there some other notation you were taught?
ah, they used u instead of a
and also n instead of n+1 and n-1 instead of n
okay we will use their notation then
this means that nth element = (n-1)th element - 2
do you understand this?
this tells us the rule to generate next element basically
we have that first element = -2
and if we want the 2nd element, we do 2nd element = (2-1)th element - 2 = 1st element - 2 = -2 - 2 = -4
@mild carbon Do you understand how the notation works?
so u_n in general is just nth element
meaning that e.g. u_1 is the first element
u_4 is the 4th element
so in our sequence, -2, -4, -6, -8, -10, -12...
u_1 = -2
u_2 = -4
u_3 = -6
u_4 = -8
u_5 = -10 ....
can you understand this?
yeah
alright, cool
so when we were finding the recursive definitiion of this sequence, we first built 2 ideas
- the first element is -2
- to generate next element, we take the previous one and subtract 2
How would you write point 1 using equation?
express the sentence "the first element of the sequence is -2" using an equation
U1 = -2
perfect
now the 2nd part is a bit harder
if $u_n$ is some element, then the previous element is $u_{n-1}$
MethIsAlwaysRight
nah i get that part
so basically un-1 means that
if u want u2
u take u1
cuz in this case
n is 2
yep
perfect
so how would you express the sentence
"any element of the sequence is just the previous element - 2"
un = u_n-1 -2
it seems to be
like u take the previous term
yeah
for recursive definitions you need the first element and the equation that helps you generate next elements
alright, we can do C) then
correct
yes
what does it say?
it might be equivalent
not yet, the next one is again a known type of sequence
its neither arithmetic or geometric
really?
yep
e on the other hand
alright so now this
notice how quickly the numbers increase
this won't be just addition
this must be either some multiplication or exponentiation
or similar
then 6
then?
then 18
indeed
how would you generate the next term of the sequence
not formula
just explain it with words for now
we will then convert those words to formula
we multiply 1944 by 18
You sure?
wait hold on
We did that to get from 108 to 1944
1944 divided by x =108
that would get x = 18
nice
now look again at just this sequence
how do you generate next term? (Describe it in terms of previous term/terms)
you can also use the term before previous term
u1 = 2
good start
U_n = U_n-1 X U_n-2
niiice
one more thing needs to be done here
Imagine you had just
u1 = 2
U_n = U_n-1 X U_n-2
How would you generate U2?
hmmm
in case you think its not possible, then think about why its not possible
because it doesn't work with the formula
yes,
because we have no U_(2-2)
there is no U_0
so we will have to also include u2 = 3
So we will have
u1 = 2
u2 = 3
U_n = U_n-1 X U_n-2
using this, we can generate whole the infinite sequence
(in theory)
mhm
now last one
you need to include enough terms, to be sure that you can always generate the next element
yep
+4 you mean?
when you dont see pattern in this, its usually good idea to try also multiplication
1.5?
1 times 1.5
= 1.5, not 2
cool
U1 = 1
you can not only reffer to n-1th term btw, you can also refer to the number N itself
mhm
correct
this operation is also known as factorial btw
its basically the product of all natural numbers lower than n
am i still right?
im fairly sure their solution is incorrect
i think so
yep
1 or 2?
both
np
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here is the question
wait is that n^(pi/2) or n*(pi/2)
any one else working on sequential continuity pls?
or well atleast i agree with the first page you wrote and the second
i got lost
i couldnt figure out which question was what paper
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that is also xor?
yeah
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How would you do this?
Take ln?
wym
Yeah just take ln
ln the whole expression
like
ln (3^x) = ln (3root(3)*9^(y+1))
isn't ln the indirect process of 'e'
you can convert the right hand side into terms of 3
using exponent rules
for example sqrt(3) is 3^(1/2)
@vast shale
oh right
so you can do log3
instead
or without logging at all
compare the exponents
after you simplify
fr
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$3^{x} = 3^{\frac{3}{2}} \cdot (3^{2y+2})$
is this fine?
@glass zenith @hallow plover
yes
now what do i do from jere
?
though note that on the right hand side its y not x
mb
$a
if instead of having 2y +2 in the exponent it were a single number, say u, how would you do the right hand side
6y + 6?
3^3x/2
remember that when you multiply the same base you add the exponents
ye
well for starters you could simplify it to 2y + 3.5 to make it look nicer
then you have the same base on both sides of the equation
$a
yeah
the log_3 shouldve gotten rid of the 3 on both sides only
fr
$\frac{numerator}{denominator}$
$a
wym
$log_3 3 = 1$
we originally had 3^x = 3^thing right
$a
yes
so taking the log_3 on both sides gets rid of the 3 and leaves us with x = thing
$\integrate{4}{0}$
$a
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lmao
wait
we log both sides>
?
$log_3$ both sides
$a
ye
which means
hold on
$x = \frac{7}{2} + 2y$
$a
yes
u could've divided both by 3
shoot
i gotta revise logs and natural logs before my exam
but yeah so now
its not dividing by three its taking log base 3 but yeah
so now
transform it into the form y = mx + b
so basically get y on one side
$2y = x - \frac{7}{2}$
$a
$y = \frac{x}{2} - \frac{7}{4}$
$a
LMAO
π₯
$a
so when it was
$log_a (b) = c$
MerryTacoGamerCat
$3^x = 3^(\frac{7}{2} + 2y)$
this can be rewritten as $a^{c} = b$
hold on
we do $log_a (a^{c}) = log_a (b)$
MerryTacoGamerCat
MerryTacoGamerCat
basically log cancels out the base
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if you have 680$ and thats 34% less than the original price whats is the original price then? and how do you solve it
wouldnt it be easier to just do 680 divided by 0.66?
1-0.34
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not sure how to do this
Idk if im correct but would it not be r between $\sqrt{2},2$ and $\theta$ between $\pi,\frac{3\pi}{2}$ ?
Hemesfere
how did u find this doe
Do u know what the 3rd quadrant is?
yes
oh ok i understand the pi and 3pi/2 bound
but not the bound for r
oh r^2 = x^2 + y^2
ok nvm im dumb i get it
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If you know Fn, can you calculate F?
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Calculate the following double integral (directly and with Gauss Green formulas)
$$\iint_D xy,\mathrm{d}x,\mathrm{dy}$$ $$D = (x,y)|x^2-2\le y\le x,0\le x\le 2$$ $\int_{0}^{2} \int_{x^2 - 2}^{x} xy \ \ \mathrm{dx},\mathrm{dy} = \frac{2}{3} $
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I calculated it directly, now its asked to use the Gauss Green formulas, but I don't know what to do
I should always get 2/3 right?
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Iβm stuck on getting this derivative
whats the original question
Ye
I need to use the definition of a derivative to solve it
Are u allowed to do this?
no unfortunatley not
Rip
yea nope
unfortunate
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how do i check this easily
@orchid pier hey
yo whatsupp
well one way is to get the eigenvalues of the matrix you're asked to find
yh i know but then ill get a polynomial of a third degree
is there another way to see the definites?
by looking at the matric A^TA e.g?
|3 4 0|
|4 4 0|
|0 0 5|
eh it's not hard to find the roots here really
its (3-x)(4-x)(5-x) -80 =0 right
plugging it into wolfram alpha gives me a negative eigenvalue which isnt indefinite
wdym not indefinite
if you have positive and negative eigenvalues, bam the matrix is indefinite
but theres only a negative eigenvalue
yeah
so what
as long as there's at least one pos and at least one neg eigenvalue
the matrix is indefinite
but it doesnt have a pos
yeah I think your char poly is wrong then, no way there's only one eigenvalue
this is the matrix no?
but the matrix is correct no?
yes
i think i made an error in the signs
I mean send a pic of your computation and we'll see where you screwed up
the 5 on the second term should be 5-lambda tho
fuck
bro this poly is hard
isnt there another way to look at the matrix?
to tell oh thats ...definite
you sure abt that ?
yeah you could just not use the matrix at all if you want
I just went with the eigenvalues cause they told you to find the matrix and stuff
idk if the technique I want to show you has a name in english
and does the 4 on row 2 column 1 need to be + or _?
if i do + i get three eigenvalues
with - just 1
negative yes
nvm, how are you computing your cofactor expansion ?
but my solution will just be x = 5 ........
(3-x)(4-x)(5-x) -(4(-4)(5-x)) =0 like this
ok but along which row/which col ?
if you just tell me that, I straight up can't answer
alright
well there's no sign to add, you're already in the 2x2 determinant yes
so -(4 * 4 * (5-x)) you should have
ah thx
i got one more
tho
when doing pap^-1
do you compute from right to left?
with diagonalisation ? @cyan talon
doesn't matter
AB != BA in general sure
but as long as you're not switching matrices around, you perform the computation in whatever order
you're confusing associative vs commutative
what about p^-1 =p^t
?
associativity is just a thing for whatever matrix product you're looking at
there's no "does it work here or there?"
it works all the time
how is this different from pap^-1?
it has nothing to do with your question
associativity (i.e. computing left to right or right to left, or any other way, gives you the same result) is true for matrices
commutativity (AB = BA for all matrices A, B) is false
@orchid pier
Wgat is commutativity
I literally wrote what it means
57 = 75 no?
Then does it only apply for inverses and transposes
and powers
"does it only apply" is going too far, it really depends on the matrices you have
the identity commutes with everything after all
What does the transpose even do?
I cant visualize a geometric representation
And why does it even equal to the jnverse for symmetric matrices @cyan talon
it's wacky really
no that's for orthogonal matrices
A*A^T = identity
Oh my bad
Can you draw it ? Lol
no
but this video prolly does a fine job https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4ecBFmvAYU
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it's still not an easy thing really
Do you use yt or wikipedia as a source for learning the theory?
I use wikipedia more often recently
Or othrr sources *
for learning I always use books really
the problem with wiki is it's hard to get a coherent view of a subject most of the time, & hard to know what's very important or no
it's very fine when I have to look up something I forgot, or to extend your knowledge on a subject you already know pretty well
in a book the author does that selection work for you really
if I knew literally zilch about a subject, I definitely wouldn't use wiki to learn about it
my 2cents here
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Ah okay
Bro respond to my dm π
You left me on read for 1 month
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How do I do this
my eyes hurt
mine too
yes
write tanx as sinx/cosx
then multiply both sides by cosx
alright
and then its obv
4(sin/cos)x
?
NOOO
4sinx/cosx
$(\frac{4sinx}{cosx})$
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this is normal sin, not sin^2
the cos tho
yeah true for x as arguement too
so what do we do
$5cos(x)^2 - 4sin(x)$
we got this currently
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BRO
THEY WANT IT IN SIN FORMAT
BRUU
bruh waht
what
i am high rn
lemme look
cook up
yeah i am correct even when i am high
$4(\frac{sinx}{cosx}) = 5cosx$
so
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,rotate
What have you tried so far?
hve u trued the arclength formula maybe
what is it ?
try completing the square then you can apply one of the forms
this one specifically
huh
,,L=\int_a^b\sqrt{1+\left(\frac{dy}{dx}\right)^2}dx
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length of a curve from a to b
how i can completing square
?
i trued completing square and it was like -(x^2+1)-8
all under the root
what
bro i have no idea
np np thx
it'd actually be 10 - (x - 1)^2
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i need someone to fact check "D" my tutor and i both agree the answer should be 0.0192 but the website is saying its not
lemme try that
ya the website says thats true
it is 0.0197
you think you could help me with this
yea sure do you know what this means
i just know it has to do with Normal Distribution
this is the previous answers i got for B
what would the interval be
this is the empirical rule
but they wanted to two decimal places
but yes
generally itβs 68,95,99.7
hm
i got
One standard deviation: 68.00%
Two standard deviations: 95.00%
Three standard deviations: 99.70%
those are approximations
the real value is from the normal distribution which i showed right above
oh
do you have a ti-84
yes
ok so youβre going to want to go to the distributions menu
k
hit 2nd then stats
you should see like normpdf normcdf etc
norm cdf is what you want to use
you just put in the lower and upper bounds
and then the mean and standard deviation
but for a standard normal distribution the mean is zero and standard deviation is 1
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how do i prove that a quadrilateral is a rhombus without using a graph
how do i determine if the slopes are perpendicular
and how do I know which coordinate points to use as the slope
im supposed to solve it without graphing it
ok
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wondering where the population variance and sample variance came from
Result:
68.89
,calc 6.7 * 6.7
Result:
44.89
Variance is just the SD squared
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i =/= -1
yeah, then why have you written 16 - (-1)^2
they are looking at problem 4
i^2 = 1 -> 16 - (-1)
the very last line
i^2 = -1
so -i^2 = -(-1)
-(-1)^2= (1)^2
after expanding, you get - (i)^2 not - (-i)^2
that's what I have
-(i)^2
and you said i^2 = -1
well that depands if in which order I do the exponenet
what do you mean
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[assuming "join points" is supposed to imply that the relations are linear, sure
]
yeah i got no clue
if you had to guess do you think that would be what they are asking
I think that's what they mean, esp with the context of the first question, but I'm not liable if that isn't what they mean 
you could put yes for the second one IMO
im down to do that but idk what teacher will say
and i dont want to get into an argument
neither of those relations are necessarily linear
also
the thing on my paper
has one spot in x and one spot in iy
how many should i do of each
acording to the question i should be able to do one of each
Guessing for the first, they're assuming constant rate of flow though? In which case it would be?
but idk if the teacher wlil get mad
as many as are required to plot it?
depends on the shape of the jug, right? though I doubt the question is taking that into account
yeah, you can do it w/ 2 points
it prob means volue as size
By "size" I'm asssuming they're referring to capacity, e.g. like 1L to 2L or so 
ah, makes sense. i was thinking diameter or similar
volume is more sensible
yes, swap
I think I had something like this in my finals last year. Itβs probably correct
so do you think it will be okay if just use two points
like use f(x)=1
and f(x0)=2
The teachers first marked me wrong but after seeing how nice, sexy and smooth my curve was, they gave me the mark
I don't know. depends on your teacher
Consult with your teacher
"Hey, you didn't specify how many points there should be, and lines are uniquely defined by two points they pass through, soooo
"
ill send them that if it gets marked wrong
part of me wants to say yes on both o ftehse and be a bit** about it
but i dont wanna risk it
"you didn't explain what you meant by 'join points' either, I thought you wanted us to find an estimate or something" 
Yep the points (1, 2) and (2, 5) 
