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yes
so now we have a=100/b
and a=300/c
we can set them equal to each other
100/b=a=300/c
100/b=300/c
so now we have a "new" equation
\begin{equation}\frac{100}{b}=\frac{300}{c}\end{equation}
\begin{equation}bc=200\end{equation}
Bonk
once again, rewrite (1) as b=??? and rewrite (2) as b=???
where are you getting the a from?
here we only have b's and c's
300?
ab = 100
B = 100/a
A = 100/b
100/100/b
Stop. Using. A.
Then what do i use
just use these 2 equations
you have already rewritten the second equation correctly
now you just need to rewrite the first equation
stop using ab
????
\begin{equation}\frac{100}{b}=\frac{300}{c}\end{equation}
\begin{equation}bc=200\end{equation}
Bonk
only this
You told me rewrite ab
where?
Right?
What i do about thay
B = 300/c x 100
not quite
yes, but its wrong
How
not in general, no
Can i write it as like
Ab x bc / ca
And cancel terms to get
B^2 then
B value is sqrt(b^2)?
Hmm
But i guess
yes, you could do that
and then repeat for a and c
a^2, b^2 , c^2
100 x 200 / 300
200/3
B^2 = 200/3
A ^ 2 = 150
C^2 = 60
I mean 600
so then what are a,b,c?
Sqrt(a^2 + b^2 + c^2)?
Well there is no value of sqrt(150)
Yeah
it exist, its just not a whole number
,w sqrt(6050/3)
So i guess i just have to plus all number
,w sqrt(150)+sqrt(300)+sqrt(600)
its not about the answer, its about the process
having the whole process correct but making a calculation mistake somewhere is much better than having the wrong process but correct answer
if you know how to solve it, then you can apply it to more problems
just having the solution doesnt teach you anything and might aswell have done nothing
I guess
I kinda hate math, because i found it hard to understand the concept
Like other subjects which is much easier to do
imo, most hate math because they havent been taught it properly
most of the people that "like" math are able to see it themselves and dont need as much help
I guess you are right, my math teacher just tells us solution but dont tell us the concept behind it
at least, thats what i believe
if you are able to understand how to solve it
and being able to go step by step
you will get much more enjoyment
because when you do another problem, you can see similar steps
and are able to apply what you did to other problems to the current problem
If you ask my class circle area they will know it, but they wont know why is it pi * r^2
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can someone explain me characteristics of the cumulative distribution function
okay so cdf is just a way to describe how probabilities accumulate as we move along the number line in the simplest way possible
imagine you have a random variable, like the roll of a dice, or the height of people in a group. The CDF tells you, for any number, what is the probability that the random variable is less than or equal to that number
right hand continuity
cdf starts at 0, and as we move along the number line, it adds up the probabilities.
can you explain this to me
can you explain right hand continuity and the last one
right
so
that entire limit just means as h gets closer to x from the right (so it values slightly larger than x), the value of F(h) approaches F(x)
in other words, there’s no sudden jump in the CDF when moving towards x from the right. The function behaves smoothly at this point, which is a key property of cumulative distribution functions.
can some one help me with this proplem ?
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and this
this formula just explains how to compute the probability that a random variable X takes on a specific value x, particularly for discrete random variables. Let’s break it down step by step in simple terms now
what does this small minus on top means
left-hand limit of the CDF at x
what do they mean
normal Fx(x) in that formula without any + or - is regular value of cdf at x
x- is the left hand limit of cdf at x
x+ the right hand limit of cdf at x
i see
although theres not one here
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Help please
Just plug in 10 instead of x
,rotate
20/4 = 5 , so theyre same
Oh okay and yeah I was just asking how to write the answer
Also how do I do the next part?
It's an inverse function but I'm not sure how or what to substitute-
uhh so
ex.. f(x)=23x+2/2
then x = 23y+2/2
you don't find x as a number
you find out the inverse function
I mean like
f(x)=2x, then f-1(x) =
x = 2y
so y = x/2 so f-1(x)=x/2
Its the best to write the most simplified answer
In this case its 5
replace 5 with x
Ok
now find y
umm how (I forgot)
multiply both sides with y-6 to eliminate the denominator
yes put parenthesis
x(y-6)=2y
so multiply each side in the parenthesis by x
it's gonna be xy - 6x = 2y
Got it
no
from xy-6x = 2y
rearranging
xy-2y=6x
so it's gonna he y(x-2)=6x
@vast ermine
now divide by x-2 to find y
Qait how did u get y(x-2)=6x
look at xy-6x=2y
what's the common factor in the left side
or what do they share?
Y-6
so x(y-6)=2y!
okayy
but this is gonna give us nothing
yes
i want y not x
so i made the y a common factor
do you know what a common factor is now
Yes
xy-2y=6x
just in the left side they share y
yes
Yes
y
then can you get rid of the x-2
so ÷3?
no like
÷x-2
CORRECT
now replace y with f-1(x)
and here's your function
you can now do direct substitution for x
you dont need to find x
Does f-1 mean x-1?
yeah i remember it
harue
it's gonna be the y you made
ohh so y = 10?
harue
it asks just for the raw equation
So it just asks for the function okay
Alright and checked the mark scheme they wanted 6x/x-2 too, thank you for the help I appreciate it
so the answer is gonna be
$$f^{-1}:x -> \frac{6x}{x-2}$$
harue
gotcha
question uhh what's like
the steps to do this kinda question?
like uhh
is it
did you understand the question how i did it
yes
okay
the whole idea
is to replace x in your function with y
and replace f-(x) with x
and find y
the idea not steps
yes!!
i got a good method
just apply this triangle
if you want c then b/x
if you want x then b/c
if you want b then x * c
Thank you I'll add it ti my notebook
i did it :D
alright noted
ill try more questions with this then!! thank you i really appreciate the help (catching up a year's missed knowledge for an expensive exam in 4 months)
good luck!
you could remember it with an example
$$ 5 = \frac{10}{2} $$
harue
10 is 5 * 2 and 2 is 10/5
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For bottom,
Equation will be
Horizonal motion >> F - f = Ma,
frictional force will Max as both crate move together.
Ie. f_max = (u) *mg
F- umg =Ma
a= F/(M+m)
So, we get : F - umg =M(F/(M+m)
FM +Fm - umgM - umgm =MF
Fm = umg(M+m)
F= ug(M+m)
Then putting value you will get the answer
Yeah.
ok
can i ask another question or do i have to do the process again?
needs checking check sig figs and units
I hate sig figs
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Yoooo what 1+1?
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any idea with this? i'm stucked
@coral jewel with 10 dimensions, the lowest dim that V1 intersect V2 can have is 4. And then the lowest the intersection between this space and V3 can have is 1. Do you see why?
let me think a bit
Suppose that $\dim(V_1) \cap \dim (V_2) \cap dim(V_3) = {0}$. What would that mean about $\dim(V_1+V_2+V_3)$
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Derivative of f(x) = cot^2 (x+5)
$f(x) = cot^2 (x+5)$
Ski
I'm kinda confused with the chain rule here
We are to express this as a combination of functions
What do you mean?
oh like composite function
Which is just 1/x^2 and tan x
yeah something like that
And then peel the thing like onion using chain rule
and treat the (x+5) as a function although it didn't really matter much
But dont cry while doing it
if you cry on derivitive then i don't know how you can surive integration
Well so based on that
2cot(x+5) right
is the first step
just bringing down using the power rule
Its a metaphor since i said peel onion
oh lol
But i like to approach from inside
inside?
Please interpret correctly btw
then solve cot(x+5)
lol
ayo pause
Yours is probably faster
derivative of cot(x+5)?
or just recite the derivitive of cot(x)
Well ok
Can never memorize those
2cot(x+5) * -csc^2(x+5) * 1?
memory is key
Probably
...
nah in my school is basic requirement to recite the derivitive of inverse trigo 💀
Tf man
kinda same here
even the identities also
ion remember shit tho since my teacher just cramps all the topic
yes I am talking about arcsin something
Sad
Use integral-calculator.net to check ans im too lazy fr
(cot(x+5))^2
2cot(x+5) * d/dx cot (x+5) * d/dx (x+5)
2cot(x+5) * -csc^2(x+5) * 1
-2cot(x+5)csc^2(x+5)
K i gtg bye
oh
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What is the quotient for the following question (x²+16)÷(x+4)
Solve with long division
Solve with synthetic division
Solve by factoring
I can do the long division, and the synthetic, but when it comes to factoring I get complex numbers which I don't think is correct, as we havnt learned about them yet. Could anybody offer some advice?
This is an intro to algebra in trig, or ig trig identities work sheet btw
Then next question is a similar format of (sin²x+16)/(sinx+4)
when i solve by long div or synthetic i get x-4 r32
would i just leave it as (x²+16)÷(x+4) and consider it fully factored?
Try completing the square
For x^2+16
@languid trail
Would that come under factoring though 🤔
not sure tbh, havnt used that method in a minute but lemme try
hold on how would i complete the square with no b term?
are you sure it's not (x^2 - 16) / (x + 4) ?
yeah then I don't know what they mean by solve by factoring for this question
Ig ill just leave it in that form, lemme know if anybody else has any ideas
Nah that equals x²-16
Oh mb
Cuz 4*-4=-16
Ig ill ask on Monday lol
But the next question is the same form, and it asks for only "solve by factoring" I doubt it's a typo
Are u able to simplify (sin²x+16) into anything?
I don't think so right
Yea
That's kinda weird
Can we see the whole page
And the previous one
I just wanna see the context
It's all been super simple.up till this point lol
It's just algebra trig connections as an intro for trig identities
yeah definitely seems like a typo
Nah but the x^2-16 was the previous qn
hhmmmm
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can someone explain the second paragraph? How is the dimension of a matrix MxN same as the vector MN and while you are at it can you simply explain the idea of dimension in vector spaces thank you very much
the dimension is the length of any basis of a given vector space (noting that every basis of a given vector space has the same length)
the dimension of the vector space of m x n matrices, and the vector space of vectors of length m*n are the same (i.e., we need the same number of basis vectors to describe them)
for example the vector space of $2\times2$ matrices ($\R[2\times2]$) has this basis:
[ \ab{\begin{bmatrix} 1 & 0 \ 0 & 0 \end{bmatrix},\begin{bmatrix} 0 & 1 \ 0 & 0 \end{bmatrix},\begin{bmatrix} 0 & 0 \ 1 & 0 \end{bmatrix},\begin{bmatrix} 0 & 0 \ 0 & 1 \end{bmatrix}} ]
and the vector space of vectors of length $2\cdot2=4$ ($\R[4]$) has this basis:
[ \ab{\begin{bmatrix} 1 \ 0 \ 0 \ 0 \end{bmatrix},\begin{bmatrix} 0 \ 1 \ 0 \ 0 \end{bmatrix},\begin{bmatrix} 0 \ 0 \ 1 \ 0 \end{bmatrix},\begin{bmatrix} 0 \ 0 \ 0 \ 1 \end{bmatrix}} ]
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so they are both 4-dimensional vector spaces
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Not really though let's say the basis vector is (0,1)
It's dimension is 1
And length is 2
Isn't it the number of independent columns
Vectors
by 'length of the basis' i mean the number of basis vectors
Ohhhh aight okay gotchu
since the basis is really the set of basis vectors
What is the dimension of the set of matrices
4
Ohhh
Hmhmhmhnhmhmynehsiwhsjs
Okay I get it
Thank you so much
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hi i have a cuestion, im doing this exercise and i tried to obtain the basis resolving f1(x) = 0 and f2(x)=0 and i have obtain three vectors it is the correct way or there is another way to do it
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yes that seems like you're describing the correct way
use Gaussian elimination / row reduction to obtain the RREF form
then you will have three free variables, say s, t, u
express x1, x2, x3, x4, x5 in terms of s, t, u
like if you have (2 + t, 2 + s, 5), this is (2, 2, 5) + t(1, 0, 0) + s(0, 1, 0)
a basis is (2, 2, 5), (1, 0, 0), (0, 1, 0)
okay i did that well but i wasnt sure if i did it right because after i need to calculate the algebraic complement and it should be U right ? and i need to calculate also a basis of the subspace annihilated by this complement. And all this things seems the same
thats why my question hahah
I'm not the best at explaining those sorry
dont worry
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Hello i want help in this question is Logarithmic function and he wants me to find its derivative
You can use a combination of chain rule and quotient rule
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You have a gun that holds 6 bullets maximum. It is fully loaded.
You shoot at a target with a 20% chance of hitting it
Every time you hit the target you reload the gun with 2 more bullets.
What is the expected value for the number of shots taken before the gun is empty?
Not looking for a solution but just what topic in probability this would fall under
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why
They are just writing f(x) in the form you want to demonstrate
Where the denominator has all the variables multiplied
A ladder, leaning against a wall, makes an angle of 60° to the ground. If the foot of the ladder is 9.5m away from the wall. The length of the ladder is (a) 16 m (b) 10m (c) 19m (d) 18m
Can anyone help
First, draw a picture of what they are describing
Id draw it so that you're looking at the ladder from the side
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ah I see
alr
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hello i dont know how to solve the following
i have already f' and f''
Set f' and f'' to 0
And find all the values of x that satisfy
Sadly not, as the exponent isn't inside the logarithm
how should i do it than?
and i wrote it wrong its x*(ln(x))^2
Mhm
sorry for the missunderstanding
No problem
Yep but don't forget the negative
there is
where?
this -
thats my bad the wrong excersice
Oh
So just the same but without the negative
In that case then ur derivative is right
the one in the picture top left
alr
yea but how?
Heyy
do you see 2/x
yea
ohhh
i think i will let it be
so now i put f' = 0
yes cuz the point with f' = 0 is a peak with a flat slope
Okay
so now i got x1 and x2
so now i put x1 and x2 into f''?
what do i do with this now?
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After the last step, Can I divide by e^2x on both sides to simplify further?
This seems fine !
Yes you can surely do but that will make the constant part c/e²x
Why?
So it's absolutely unnecessary
Isn’t it arbitrary constant?
e²x isn't a constant right ?
I think he has defined A = e^x then
I don’t think so
Defined how?
This is the entire question:
Find the equation of a curve passing through the origin, given that the slope of the tangent to the curve at any point (x, y) is equal to the sum of the given point.
Do you think she made a mistake?
Idk honestly, but that's not the way it should be ! It's fine to keep the e^(-x)
Please tag me
Okay^^
Thank you
You think I should wait and see if anyone has another opinion on what she might have meant to do?
Yes you can surely keep it open, but if the bot closes it
I’m just trying to figure out what the motive behind the last step could have been?
Pretty sure A would be a variable if you divide across by $e^{-x}$
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No same question, I had trouble in the simplification part, so I hadn’t supplied the question before because I didn’t deem the context important then
so we have $e^{2x}= \frac{e^{5x}}{5}+C$
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Pretty sure A has to be a variable here
Depends on what A is
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Wdym?
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I feel A should be a variable for this to make any sense
Bro that A?
That’s just her habit to mark out the final answer
I’m so sorry it took me so long to answer what A you were talking about
I could be wrong
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how to solve $\int\frac{,dx}{x^4+1}$?
Slowaq
partial fractions
but what should be in the denominators?
should i somehow factor x^4+1?
This method involves smart replacement of the denominator after dividing each component by x^2. The rest is basic U-sub and trig sub. The final solution involves inverse hyperbolic tangent.,
This video should help
Literally watched it last week
If u wanna do factoring
This methos involves smart replacement of the denominator by smartly writing it the the difference of two squares involving irrational coefficients. The rest is basic partial fraction decomposition, U-sub and trig sub. The final solution involves inverse hyperbolic tangent.,
Watch method 1 here:
https://youtu.be/to0bkvIl2cc
You can use this as well
Personally I find the second solution to be a bit more intuitive
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Im losing my mind, somethings wrong with the derivative for x<0 I think but Ive checked it 7 times over
...yeah
what is this
i think you just ate a lot of steps to save writing space and ended up missing negatives
Looks like they replaced x with -x (for whatever reason)
well no just change the sign of the mod term
why just that?
because $f(x) \neq f(-x)$
Percy
which i know doesn't sound like it's saying a lot but yeah no literally just that
you dont change the entire function for negative values
but the modulus opens with a negative yes
right so if I had |x|-x it would be -x-x for x<0 and x-x for x>0
cuz I only change the value inside the module since its that which Im trying to determine
(x+1)^2 is NOT (-x+1)^2
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this may be a stupid question but on part b why do we not care abt adding c? its not a definite integral but the markscheme just ignores it and I dont think you can solve it if you put c in?
*the value for t for part b is 3.5 and it integrates to this
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Could anyone please tell me what to do here? i'm blanking
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help pls
is it asking you to prove it combinatorially or something? (if so, think about picking l objects from a set of p objects that are part of a set of k objects)
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yes I understand the interpretation of the left part but I can t understand how to prove the right part is equal if i only know that k >= p >= l
so, it is a combinatorial proof? if so, then try to find a way to describe the same interpretation of the left with the expression on the right (or, i mean, find a way to count the objects in a different way)
is it that In both cases, we select a subset of p elements from k by breaking down the choice into two steps: the selection of the first l elements, then the p - l elements among the remaining k−l.
yeah, that's what i thought of (and should be correct)
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needs checking all answers should be to 3sig figs
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what are you having difficulty with here?
I can give you an answer but i don't think that would be particularly helpful
I agree with you about the tension. I think you lost precision along the way as my decimal places were different to yours (be careful of that).
The reaction force on the wall will be the horizontal component of the tension
Hopefully that will give you enought to find the answer @sand grotto
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I need help with question 8a
the set of all points such that y = 3
(0, 3), (0.1, 3), (-69, 3), (420, 3) etc
notice anything
mhm
what would that look like
graphically
you can always plot a few if you’re still confused
Wdym
plot a few points
^
if you can’t tell what it will look like yet
I’m not sure
^
Alright gimme a sec
Well with 0, 3 it’s just a straight line going through the y axis
sorry brother i don’t have much patience for this but good luck i’ll give the answer and cover it if you want to check your answer
or just use desmos
||y = 3 looks like a horizontal line with all points having a y coordinate of 3||
Like how to do it or whatever
brother
i told you
as i said
i don’t have the patience for this
have a nice day
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I am stuck with the following problem
Is this serie uniform convergent $\sum \frac{nx}{1+(nx)^2}$ for $x \in \mathbb{R}$
Erijoni
I found that x=-1/n and x=1/n are points where max and min of the function
I’ve tried to bound it to use Weierstrass Test but I don’t think it works
As for Abel’s and Dirichlet’s Tests I haven’t tried
$$\lim_{n \to \infty} \qty|\frac{(n + 1)x}{1 + ((n + 1)x)^2} \div \frac{nx}{1 + (nx)^2}| < 1$$
$$\lim_{n \to \infty} \qty|\frac{(n + 1)}{1 + ((n + 1)x)^2} \div \frac{n}{1 + (nx)^2}| < 1$$
$$\lim_{n \to \infty} \qty| \frac{1 + (nx)^2}{1 + ((n + 1)x)^2}|$$
Idli Robot
I don’t think this works
maybe integral test?
I’m not even sure if these test can be used for functional series
They definitely can
In fact, the [ratio test](#help-13 message) is use very often to find the interval of convergence of a power series
Yeah thats true
(A power series is usually of the form $\sum^\infty_{n = \dots} f_n(x)$
Idli Robot
I think you can try integral test
You are right but in the problem I have seen abel dirichlet and wiererstrass were
Used more often
abel dirichlet and wiererstrass
i havent heard of this, so i cant help if you specifically need to use that
same abel dirichlet is unkown to me haha
I think i solved it
tell us
For the series to be uniform convergent
i'm waiting in awe
We must have [ \lim_{x\to\infty}
sup(f_n(x))=0 ]
Erijoni
You can find that f_n(x) has a maximum of 1/2
i literally was thinking about "wasn't sup of something a thing?"
took this course a year ago haha, i'm a bit rusty
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Need help on this exercise, I'm new to proofs
What a wonderful world!
Recall that every non-empty set of real numbers that's bounded from above has a least upper bound (why?)
I don't know where to start but I wrote down , since A is bounded below then there is a number l≤x where x is in A, but I just wrote down a definition I believe
Have you done the axiom of completeness yet ?
No
I suggest you do that first
There's just a section that says Axiom of Completeness: Every non empty set of real numbers that is bounded above has a least upper bound. And that's all it says
From the question if b is a lower bound of A could that mean A is bounded below
There exists a number b where b≤a although I don't know what a is, I used a because it's part of definition
$B={x:x \leq a, \forall a \in A}$
What a wonderful world!
Now what would the supremum of $B$ be?
What a wonderful world!
Is B also a subset of R
I'm not sure because so far you've been describing a lower bound but the definition of supremum wants an upper bound
yeah, nut notice how the set of lower bounds is defined by saying it's all reals less than or equal to a given number
It might be helpful to read the definition of B out in words
B is the set of all real numbers that is less than or equal to all values in A
I'm having some trouble visualizing the set B is it the interval [x,a] ?
I wouldnt look at it as an interval
Just look at how B is restricted by A
Every element in B has to be less than every element in A
The way I'm thinking of it isina number line x comes before a
Well if I want to find supremum of B I have to first find an upper bound of B but that would mean B is bounded above possibly?
Yep
Since B is defined by being less than all the elements of A, it has to be bounded above by those elements
If I use the definition of bounded above will it need to include this number a or not. I'm confused in the sense of introducing these variables
I guess let's look at a particular case
Say we had a set S that was defined as being a lower bound for the set of all real numbers 3 or above
What would be the infimum of that 3 or above set?
Would it be 3
Would there be no supremum
There is a supremum
Is x≥3 is that same as x is in the interval [3, infinity)
yes
Yep
So we have a set that is all the real numbers that are lower bounds for [3, infinity)
What is that set's greatest possible element
Well right of the number line it's going infinitely so you can't find a greatest possible element I would say
It's not going infinitely to the right
If B is the set of elements that are lower bounds to [3, infinity), then asking what that set's supremum is means you're asking the "greatest lower bound" of [3, infinity)
But I thought supremum is least upper bound
It is
But B's supremum is the infimum of the other set
Because B is all the lower bounds of the other set
So the greatest B is the greatest lower bound of the other set
Which is the infimum
By other set you mean A?
Yes
Do you have to use sets for this problem. It makes more sense to me saying b≤a because from the problem b is a lower bound of A
I mean $b \leq \text{min}(a)$
hiidostuff
And min a is inf(A)
I guess let's take this step by step then
$B = {b : b , \text{is a lower bound of} , A}$
The only part I understand is A is bounded below and then using the definition so far
hiidostuff
hiidostuff
Now suppose we look at the infimum of A
We know that all b in B must be less than or equal to the infimum of A
Because of how B is defined
Is the infinum of A and element of A?
And now that there exists a value such that all b is less than or equal to, we know B is bounded above
Not necessarily
The infimum of a set is just the greatest value that bounds the set below
Could you instead use the definition of infimum and work from there
Sure
Actually instead I'll do a simpler two parter
This is what I would say is the simplest proof that sup B = inf A
Ok so we're gonna do two things
Wait, are A and B different sets or do they equal each other
We know A is bounded below but I don't know if B is bounded above or below
And that b is less than or equal to sup B
If A consists of finite-valued elements then B is bounded above
Ok lets do part 1
Since B is the set of all lower bounds for A, then every b is less than or equal to every a
Where a and b are elements of A and B respectively
Because of this, sup(B) must also be less than or equal to every element in A, making it a lower bound for A
And of course, sup(B) is greater than every other b, making it the greatest lower bound of A
And the greatest lower bound of A is inf(A)
Thus, sup(B) = inf(A)
So are you saying b=supB
No
I'm saying that sup B is greater than all b
Remember b isn't one value
It represents all elements of B
Not sure honestly
Actually there might be a way
The way I tried doing this problem at first is since A is bounded below there is a number l≤a , where a is in A. From set B, b≤a, So we have l≤a and b≤a but that would mean l≤b.
But I don't know what l and b could be
Hold on
On the left, I drew some blue points to show instances of lower bounds to A
So is A half the real line
I mean "half the real line" isn't really a thing
But its some portion of the real line
Do the blue points make sense tho?
So something like [1,2] for example?
If the blue points are lower bounds to A then lower bounds can't be inside the set A?
Uhh that's kinda difficult
One lower bound can be in the set A
The infimum
But the infimum could also maybe not be in A
@green crow does my drawing make sense tho?
So if it was [1,2] 0 could be a lower bound of that set or -1 and so on
Kind of
I guess just a quick recap
The shaded red area is the set A
And the points I marked in blue are lower bounds to the set A
Since they are less than all the elements of A
I can understand that
Alright
Look at that right most blue marker i put tho
Do you agree that we can keep putting points in between the blue mark and the leftmost portion of A, and it'll still be a lower bound of A?
So the closest blue marker near set A?
Yep
We can keep putting markers between that marker and set A, and all of those markers will be lower bounds to set A
Does that make sense?
I can see that
As soon as we mark a point in blue that crosses A, however, that point isn't a lower bound of A anymore
And so its not in the set B
Basically meaning that every element of A bounds the set B above
Do u see that?
Well In the picture there is only set A I don't see set B
Well every point in blue that i marked is an element of B
Because it's a lower bound to A
But if I were to mark a point in A, then it's not a lower bound of A anymore
So it can't be in B
So if a point is in A, then it's not in B
So the set A comes after the set B?
Yes you could think of it like that
But more importantly, it comes directly after set B
So are these two sets connected in a way
I mean by definition yes
B is literally defined according to A
Maybe I can think of it like a border
Yes
And the largest value that B can take stops right as soon as it gets to A
And that largest value would be its supremum
(We do have to prove that sup B is in B tho)
So if b≤a then is b in set B and not A
When you say as soon as it gets to A is it near A or in A
It can either be infinitely close to A or right at the border of A, depending on if inf A is in A
From the picture the supremum of B is near the same place as the infmum of A
Not just that but sup B is exactly equal to inf A
The largest that B can get is at the border of where A starts
Both of which are some visual definitions of the supremum and infimum
It makes sense visually but actually proving it although I mentioned I'm new to proofs is really difficult
It is
The challenge of doing math really well is u gotta be smarter than ur eyes
You gotta let go of the dependence on visualizations
