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im well aware that i need to use the product and/or quotient rule + chain rule but i dont even know like which parts get derived
someone save me
Which question
honestly any i mostly need help on what steps to do first
do i do chain or quotient/product
im so lost
Ok start with number 1
First u take the derivative of outer, then multiply it by derivative of inner
I think he confused abt when to use product rule and when to use chain rule
Yes, but then multiply by derivative of 4x
so just 4
Yea
thanks so uh how do i do the hard ones
uhhh
(2x)(sec(x^3-1))+(sec(x^3-1))(tan(x^3-1))(3x^2)(6x)
if im being honest i replicated a practice problem if this is even close to right
like do i just derive everything ?
was i not supposed to derive the 3x^2
Which 3x^2
Where did that come from
The derivative of x^3 - 1 is 3x^2 and that’s it
Yes
f(x)
Yea
so its (2x)(sec(x^3-1))+(sec(x^3-1))(tan(x^3-1))(3x^2)(x^2)
i still dont understand though like why do i derive the x^2 but leave the sec(x^3-1) alone
is it uhm product rule
where even is chain rule in this
U didn’t leave the sec(x^3 -1) alone
oh ok
Chain rule is when u took the derivative of x^3 - 1
second half was product/chain?
Yea
ok, can u help with the other 4
ok thanks
Yw
this is like unpaid labor
Im a calculus god
im trying
dy/dx = (-csc(x^2)cot(x^2))(2x+1)-(csc(x^2))(2)(2x) all over (2x+1)^2
there
Can you resend the original problem down here so I don’t have to scroll
does it matter what side the chain rule is on
like would it effect the answer if i did it like first
I’m not understanding what u mean by first
And speaking of chain rule, u forgot to chain the x^2
i dont under stand how to do this
just put that in chatgpt
Bruh, clearly u do considering you’re getting reasonable answers
i know the product rule and quotient rule
but where did i miss the chain
i thought the 2x was the chain
bless
g`(x) was 2 and f(x) was csc(X^2) and i coughed up the 2x for the chain rule
please help me mak
U put the 2x in the wrong place
wow I got publicky shamed for that
WHAT
Yw
ill chat gpt in class
I took ap calc
what do tou mean
i thought even after deriving the inside thing was untouched
Ok I’ll write it out
pm me and ill tell u how
like -csc(u)cot(u) times u`
i didnt know i had to derive that
please send
Its ok to do it sometimes
Nah
I got a 5 on calc ab and bc and apush and macro without cheating
Doesn’t mean anything if u come from an easy district and cheat
Ok lemme show u
can you do it on paper this format is messing me up
im adding like a million parenthesis
Many reasons
dude isnt this stuff supposed to be easy im going to get cooked
"youre gonna wish you are doing derivatives later on in the year"
mak save me
Ai
with your cheats
U can jailbreak your calculator
We weren’t allowed to take BC as juniors
No
The chain goes with anything that needs chain
Doesn’t matter where it is, if there’s a chain needed, do it there
WAHT
when is ur math test
tomorrow
so ive come to my last resort of discrd math help
times r tough
wait how do i know when it needs a chain
wait a minute
that is just
end it
increduble
why that take so long to write
I wasn’t writing the whole time…
But generally I don’t write like that, I do more slanted stuff when I take notes
Read what I just wrote then answer your own question
be fr
?
I have no clue what ur talking abt
Wow
Nice cursive
Treesh is in dire need
im actually so screwed
If she doesn’t succeed she will have to contact her academic enemy, Corey Mills
do you understand chains
but how am i supposed to tell
isnt it when like f(g(x))
Yea, that’s what csc(x^2) is
oh
We should all start a zoom call
your teacher must sleep at the school
To get in at 6am sharp
Who even are you
Maybe AP art is more of your speed
What are you doing here
so this would be (-csc(x^2)cot(x^2))(2x)(2x+1)-csc(x^2)(2)
clarifying
how is this not wrong the parenthesis seem so out of place
oops
I’m having flashbacks
flashbacks of derivatives
Good
Flashbacks to cheating on AP exam
A New Hope
youre so right
I got a ghetto calculator just to cheat
Valedictorian for what 😂
so for #4 4sin would be f(x) and (cot(3x)) is g(x)
Being the best
Yea
Work smarter not harder
im going to hit oyu
Ultimately it comes down to a fundamental disagreement 🤷♂️
have fun
lol nooo
No, I was talking to mak lol
i sounded like a desperate ex but please i cannot pass this class
just ask Corey Mills
wait is this even the product rule
No
Is that ur answer?
yes
How did u get cos on the inside
i thought i had to leave that alone
oh wait
am i supposed to find the derivative of cos too
U should be getting:
i thought this was just f(g(x))
$4\cos (\cot (3x)) \cdot \dv {x} \cot (3x)$
omg
COT
where did the cotangent comr rfrom
nvm im screwed whatever thanks for the help you did provide lol
upaid labor
Cot is on the inside
im embarassed i read it wrong
i thought it said cos
so for the second part i just derive (cot(3x))
which is -csc^2(3x)
OH OK thanks
imma just try to figure out the rest on my own, thanks for the help now i know how to at least start it
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i need a little help on this precalc stuff
there are no nice roots :(
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yo
If I got this
yes ?
no u must developp
u mean that this is a primitive ?
Its after integrate
no it is wrong
like what ?
thats the good idea yes
So the integration is x^7/7
and it is 9x^2 at the end of devloppement
yes and bla bla
K thanks so much bro
np
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no that's the wrong antiderivative
you need to use chain rule when doing u sub
or maybe you just forgot a constant
u = z^2 => du = 2z dz
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solve for Xs
factor poly
plug in x and see if the condition is true
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Is this the equation I should be doing for this?
ay=2.9m/s^3*10
I assumed I was supposed to use a derivative of 2.9^3 since its not m/s^2 but idk that.
Which led me to do
3 * 2.9m/s^2 = 8.7m/s^2
8.7m/s^2 x 10 for time in the original acceleration formula since we're at t = 10
So ay=87m/s^2?
It might be a typo, since acceleration is m/s^2 and that's what the statement given says
I wondered if that could be the case after discovering jerk but wasnt sure.
the given unit is not wrong
m/s^3 multiplied by the s from t makes it m/s²
and yes, 2.9 m/s^3 is called the jerk lol
anyways, dont think too much about it
take the acceleration and integrate twice
Then why does it say, vertical acceleration, ay? If it's acceleration, it should be units in m/s^2 not m/s^3
it is m/s² lol
ay = 2.9 t
ay = 2.9 t
2.9 has a unit of m/s^3
and t has a unit of seconds
multiply them, you get m/s²
m/s^3 is not the unit of ay, its the unit of the 2.9
$\frac{m}{s^3} , s = \frac{m}{s^2}$
Emily
So shouldnt it be: 0+0+14.5*100?
29/2 x (10)^2
They did not write that as clearly as I can read lol it's 2.9 m/s^3 times t
Emily was right
why are you hurrying to substitute
first find the expression of y(t)
and then substitute the jerk and the time!
start with ay = 2.9 t
integrate to find vy
then integrate to find y
Im trying to learn integration so ill see if I can figure that out I guess
ay = 29m/s^2
but we're looking for the height at t=10?
yeah, so we first derive the expression of the height
integrating the acceleration gives the velocity
and then integrating the velocity gives the height
what function has a derivative of 2.9 t
?
yeah exactly, use it
yes, thats when differentiating
for integraing, its
$\int x^n , dx = \frac{x^{n+1}}{n+1}$
t^2.9 + c? (nvm)
Emily
$v_y(t)=\int a_y(t) , dt = \int 2.9 , t , dt$
Emily
just apply the formula!
um
Im doing this
so it would be 2.9tdt, does the t after integration become t^2?
according to this formula, it becomes t²/2
no, thats not how we do it
you cant take t outside of the integral
you can only take 2.9 out, yes
$v_y(t)=\int a_y(t) , dt = \int 2.9 , t , dt = 2.9 , \int t , dt$
Emily
$v_y(t)= 2.9 , \frac{t^2}{2}$
Emily
i only applied this formula
$\int t^1 , dt = \frac{t^{1+1}}{1+1}=\frac{t^2}{2}$
Emily
the ay in ay(t)dt is technically (2.9m/s^3 x t) (t) dt, for the formula?
no, the (t) in ay(t) is just to show that the acceleration is a function of time
like f(x)
$v_y=\int a_y , dt = \int 2.9 ,t , dt$
Emily
ah ok
I feel bad but im honestly still lost. I think its that I dont understand this on any level
okay, lets start over
and how to integrate acceleration, using this formula
Ok so am I plugging in variables at this point then multiplying it by ay which equals 29m/s^2?
Oh, this basically. plug in 10 for t
NO
we plug in nothing yet
we are only deriving the expression of the velocity
not the height!
so vy = ay(t^2/2)
so what am I supposed to do with this?
thats velocity!!
and the integral of velocity gives the height, what we're looking for
so, you gotta integrate the velocity now
$y=\int \frac{2.9}{2} t^2 , dt$
Emily
I have to go get food. 😭
Wait are you integrating dt again for velocity?
@mellow haven
we are integrating velocity to get the height
and then once we have the expression of the height
we will substitute t=10 in it
So for the integration symbol, are you putting v of X at the top and v initial at the bottom?
Emily
$y = \int v_y , dt + c$
Emily
the c's are called constants of integration
(they are both 0 in our case, since the rocket was at rest)
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For now I guess xP
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i need help graphing slope. how do I graph an improper fraction? my equation was in point-slope form which was y + 2 = 2/3(x-2) and i converted it to slope-intercept form which turns out to be y = 2/3x - 10/3.
Slope is generally represented as:
(change in y)/(change in x)
Since you've written it in slope-intercept form, start from the intercept and plot that.
Then move (upwards) in y units, and (right) in x units and plot the next point.
You've calculated the slope to be (2) / (3), so y and x will move accordingly. Every time y moves by 2, x will move by 3.
If it helps to connect with prior examples, when you've seen line equations in the past where the slope is an proper integer, you can also represent them as fractions as well.
For example: y = 2x + 3
Has a slope of '2' or '(2)/(1)'. Likewise, it means everytime y changes by 2, x will change by 1.
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1. I don't know where to begin.
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But how would I solve using derivatives
Ik question doesn’t say that but the lesson I’m on is about that
using the general equation of the tangent line to a function f
do you know it?
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A is a mixture and B is a compound?
STEM
And is it a physical change
Since it’s the same elements
Just different form
It’s the same elements
New product is formed
OHHH
Ok so
H2O
Yes
Yes
Why that isn’t a element
02H
So what would make it a physical change
Because Hydrogen cannot
Form 2 bonds
It has only 1 electron to form a bond
So what would make it a physical
Physical change hmm
It's not
Formation of water is chemical
For physical
And B is more stable because there closer together
U can basically deform stuff and say it is physical
Or is it not
Yea but
Since there closer together
That’s how we determine
What’s more stable
Not exactly
So how would I determine
If u go closer and closer, u would see repulsions
Well can’t do that
My reason is that reaction is exothermic
So a chemical is more stable then a physical
Since it is exothermic, h2o has lower energy
Idek
What's ur doubt exactly
Nvm I see it
Mhm
So movement differs in a solid liquid gas
Yes
Solid barley moves and less free
Yes
Liquid moved past eachother and a little more free
Yes
And gas Particles move the fastest and don’t interact with eachother
Or do they
Interact
So I shouldn’t say that
Yes they can collide
Yes
Yes
Deadass?
Mhm
Burning is chemical
If it forms new compounds
But melting is not
Ice, water, steam
Interconvert
And 27
But converting into gas is not
Is this physical
Yep
Chemicals
So why is 27 physical
Water vapour
Burning is different from heating
How do you know those elements is water
No no
So heating is always physical
In that figure
No matter what the second image is
Do u see any new compounds?
Mhm
Yes
Wait always yes is not accurate
Look
If a substance is converted from solid to liquid to gas and vice versa
It's physical
But if some new compounds are formed, then chemical
So for 31
The answer is
The atoms get faster due to the heat
Or do I gotta add something else
Yes atoms get faster
And for 33
Nop
Tight spring is potential spring relaxed is Is kinetic
They didn't mention that they left the rock from top
It says bottom of hill
So that’s more stable?
Yes
Yes
Yes
It says energy is absorbed
So
Hm?
?
Are u asking the definition?
So this is endothermic
Yes
Because endothermic absorbers
Yes
A hypothesis is a guess based off data
Theory is something which is proven
Ahhh got it
Yes
Idk lol
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im lost trying to understand correspondence theorem
which part are you having trouble with?
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find all possible pairs of (a,b,c) where a,b,c are non negative integers that are less than 10 and they sum to a number thats divisible by 5
well there's always this. for each nonnegative integer $z$, the number of ways to make a sum of $z$ is the coefficient of $x^z$ in $$(1 + x + x^2 + \ldots + x^9)^3$$
:bending_skull:
How did you type that so fast
No I'm actually just stupid. I thought you sent it right after skill sent the question but you sent your message after I finished reading
do you have to count the number that exist, or do you have to "find all" of them
Never
lol i didn't see that. i hope not
,w expand (\sum_{i=0}^9 x^i)^3
we'll see about that
,calc 6 + 36 + 73 + 63 + 21 + 1
Result:
200
bs problem if you need to "find" them all
if you just need to find the amount i think i can outline a not amazing but probably feasible way following this
there would be a lot of binomial coefficient computing though 
or maybe nvm on that
you wrote out all 200?
yes
lmao
@blazing zephyr Has your question been resolved?
sorry, the first
ok perfect
if a = 0 and b = 0 how many possible values of c are there?
2?
correct. now if a = 0 and b = 1 how many possible values of c are there?
2
correct. (you might see where this is going)
yes
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You have, haven’t you?
Also small note, RHS is sec(2x) + tan(2x), you wrote tan(x) there 
If you want to write it as a “chain”, say LHS = … = RHS, then you can always just do this:
(I.e. wrote the steps in order to the bottom for the left, then write the steps you did for the right backwards from the same thing)
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Can anyone Help me with this?
equilibrium, right?
yes
actually, i solved it but answer was not matching
so, solution was wrong in book
🙂
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how to differentiate this?
it is $(2-x)^{-2}$ isn't it?
MetuMortis
use chain rule
substitue u = 2-x then
no special rules, just basic integral substitution:
$\ u = 2-x \ du = -dx$ thing
MetuMortis
Yea do what griffin said
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help plz
i got 0.24286896 from my calc
for mutltiplying part
3 sf only
how does does that work if we have a leading 0?
0.243?
the leading 0 is not significant
yes
but you should not round until the end of the calculation
oh
Ok
wait but
oh
becuz they are same rules
but what if we had addition with division u have to round early right?
no, you round at the end. you keep track of how many significant figures the intermediate result should have without actually rounding it
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why are you setting x=1
it does not
if it doesnt work where do i get it wrong
,tex .wrong cancel
riemann
show me logic please
did not know it is that common to have a tag lol

you can't simplify that way with the denominator
$\frac x{x+y} = \frac {x+y-y}{x+y} = 1- \frac y{x+y}$
heres something u can do
idk if thats even related to what u asked, i just wanted to latex
it doesn't work because you ignored the -1 term
oh so simplifying by division only works when the whole thing is multiplication on top and bottom?
i have no idea what that is
yas, you have to factor
is the original question already simplified
dont mind the does this work
i want to know if the original is already simplified
I think it can't be simplified
so its already at its most simple form isnt it?
because below there is a difference of squares
there is something missing in my algebra logic
this is something im trying to do
lol
i feel like all of them are
i want to know the logic behind it if it is the case
Well, to simplify an equation it's necessary that it be factored
yep, this is factored
3
yep
yeah i just dont understand the question i guess
im thinking "if there is an x term in the numerator and an x term in the denominator the expression can always be simplified" means youre canceling the x on top and bottom to be 1
but according to you were just finding if an expression with Xes on top and bottom can be simplified
okay i think i got it now
okay guys
i understand that you cant cancel the x's in (x-5) / (x+1)
but i dont understand it enough to be able to form the logical articulation of it
is it because in the order of operations
(x-5) is basically its own set?
and (x+1) is its own set
and its seperate from division and multiplication
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holy crap
every time there is a question to simplify rational expressions
they never gave me a question like that
so im extremely unfamiliar with it
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Hi I am very confused on how to find the domain of combined functions
composite*
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is this correct
You can’t conclude 5 with the given info, use SAS
Such that RQ = SQ, m<RQT = m<SQT, and TQ = TQ
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What is the domain of $f(x) = ln(\frac x {x - 1})$ ?
Devil Wears Prada
do i set the denominator greater than 0?
for ln
cuz i know sqrt's are greater than or equal than
ln are just greater than
right
no becuase -/- is positive
the denominator can be negitive but cant be 0
yes
and it can only be negitive when the top is also negitive
set the demoator so it cant = 0
we can simplify this question to x/(x−1)>0
set the function so it is greater then 0
this can be split into 2 trivial case
the most obvious one is if x is bigger than 1
so we know for sure that x>1 is part of the domain
$\frac 1 {x - 1} > x$
Devil Wears Prada
what isthis for?
im solving
not quite
yeah
$1 > \frac 1 x \cdot (x - 1)$
Devil Wears Prada
where does 1 come from
we are solving x/(x-1)>0
it is best to solve it grpahically if u struggle to understand it visually or intuitively
u can try to graph it urself to convince urself
like not with desmos
but just plotting a few points if u are confused
no
im telling you i need to understand it algebraicly
how do i find the domain algebraicly
your algebra is wrong currently
well correct it please
i cant really explain it besides just doing it analytically as it is
x/(x-1) > 0 has 2 cases
okay and
either x and x-1 are both positive
or x and x-1 are both negative
like before, obvious case is if x>1
and also x < 0
if x < 0, x is negative
x-1 will also be negative
can i just solve this algebraicly
then the inequality also holds
i dont know what ur doing
