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that makes sense thanks
So that's why you don't talk about derivatives
Also you have a bit more theory about asymptotic behavior that I think explains your intuition
In the case where f(x) / x -> a, you have a few different cases to consider
If f(x) - ax -> some constant b, then we can say ax+b is the asymptote of f, that's the nice case
If f(x) - ax -> + or - inf, we can't say it's an asymptote because the distance between f(x) and any ax+b is not going to 0, so we talk about a "parabolic branch" (at least in French, but I think it's the same name in English)
If there's no limit, then we can only talk about an asymptotic direction
Je parle francais ducoup tkt pas d'utiliser des termes francais 🙂
That last case would be examplified by that example, because we only go in that direction, but we don't get closer to the line nor do we stray farther away from it towards an infinite distance
Ok
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have to solve for t and the corresponding points (a,b,c) at which the lines intersects the plane
is this allowed given its= to r
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Why is the thing highlighted in red always positive?
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simple question( x = 1)
is y=x-3, y=-4 or y=-2?
what is 1-3
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how do I correctly perform reverse chain rule on the following:
ok in hindsight tbh its a disgusting integral i think id be better off using u substitution
just u sub x-1
ye, i can do that
but i thought i could pull it off
in my head
using reverse chain rule
oh u could
it simplifies to 1/2(x-1)^3/2
doesnt it?
yh
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if i have f'(x, y) = 0 and f''(x, y) = 0,
does that just mean inflection point for f''(x, y)? (this is for the point 0, 0 for x,y)
soooo does that mean saddle point? i forget things with f(x,y) lol
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um no.
to show that a point (x,y) is a saddle point, show that grad f = (0,0) and the Hessian is indefinite
so wait what does the derivative of 0 or double derivative of 0 represent
second differential?
f'(x,y) and f''(x,y) is unclear. are you differentiating wrt the first variable or second?
OH YEAH, partial derivatives and contour plots
^^
which one are you doing it with respect to,
i thoughttt f'(x, y) was equivalent to f(x, y) derived with respect to x PLUS f(x, y) derived with respect to y
no
that's div f
whats div f
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hm, its just this question is saying i need to use the 'second derivative test' to classify the point at the origin... (it says the procedure doesnt work though)
so i guess the second derivative test just doesnt exist? cos how do you find f'(x, y) and then f''(x, y), because ur saying you can only differentiate with respect to one variable, but i'd wanna differentiate for both i thought
u can differentiate for x then for x again, or for y then for y again, or u can diff for x then for y or for y then for x
yeah i know of that but i don't know where to go from there really. the question doesnt tell me what to derive with respect to, thats why i suggested
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Up to part b, haven't got to much experience using mat lab. I tried coping it in with the xyz value but it was giving errors
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please can anyone help me
Ok so the question needs you to put the triangle in the circle and label the sectors and segments
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the cubic formula is so large, is there any mapipulation i can do to make it smaller but keep it the cubic formula
the cubic formula is so big i had to write it across two separate lines
the plus in the middle connects the two terms
most versions I've seen use substitutions
yes
that trinomial and binomial are the same, so set them equal to p and q
im trying to do it without substiution
ik about the substitutions ppl do with p and q, the only difference between the two giant terms is the middle operation sign in each of the cube roots
it just seems like there is a form of notation, or something that could allow me to shorten it without substitutions
If you know a lot about mathematical notation itself pls lmk
then probably not. If there was a simpler way to write it, then it'd be written that way
i was just wondering if there was an obscure way to do it, some form of notation or a sign that isn't used often, idk
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Hi! How could this be done being both together?
Like this i mean (ik best representation lol)
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What do you mean "both together"?
Uh, I can't really explain it in english since its not my first language, but it's like the first exercise combined with the second
Like the first one divided with the parallel lines like in the second one
You mean, could you solve for all the individual segments if there were more parallel lines in the first problem?
yeah
i think I'll be fine if I know how to do the first one tho
Should it be 60/40 = x/36?
Yes
And I think the answer to your question is yes. The triangles would still be similar and each trapezium would be similar as well
I don't know it by that name, but you just have to use the fact that the side lengths are proportional
like you did here
yeah I get it
thanks!
You're welcome
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Hi I have a question about this hypothesis test
as i dont really know how to approach it
and where to start
especially for my H_0 and H_A
data^
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Ignore my trash eraser
“A polynomial function with rational coefficients has the follow zeroes. Find all additional zeroes.”
I have to write it in function form
How do I factor these numbers?
-1 + i, -1 - i, √5, -√5
I can figure out the -1 + i, -1 - i part simply because I already did a question like that
But I don’t understand how to factor the square root of 5’s
Factor these numbers?
Yeah
That's all the zeroes that such a function would have
Or rather, just write them as (x +3) or the such
I’m not great at wording things
Don’t wanna leave this open while I go sleep so
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thoes answers are wrong!
they were marked as wrong
IJK is inscribed to the diameter
180/2
90
90?
157
Yes
now how about IKL
Arc JK + arc JI = arc KJI (semicircle)
You know a semicircle is 180 degrees
And it’s given that JK is 112
You know what, I think you applied them incorrectly
It seems I can't do division in my head lmao
It hit me that you wrote 67 and not what I thought of
it says 68 is incorrect although
multiply by 2?
Divide
34?
Yep
(1, -2)
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Oh btw sorry I said vertex not center
The radius extends from the center to either of those diameter pts
So you just gotta use the distance formula
i hate distanceeee
Yeah, it's a pain lol
You can skip some of it I guess.
You want to use the general equation for a circle
That equation uses the center of the circle and the square of the radius (so you can try to be clever and avoid the sqrt)
is it -2?
Mmm, the radius will never be a negative length
0?
That also seems wrong
So, for A=(a_x,a_y) and B=(b_x,b_y) the distance between A and B is d(A,B)=sqrt((a_x-b_x)^2 + (a_y-b_y)^2 )
And for a circle to compute the radius you need to find the distance from its center point to any point on the circle
You just found the center and either of those two given diameter points are on the circle, so pick either and use them with the center point in the distance formula.
wha-
Hmm. You remember the distance formula right?
Mmm. Why two? Did you just use both diameter points in the distance formula?
Pretty sure that's what you did lol.
Ask yourself this: what's the difference between the length of a diameter of a circle and the length of the radius of a circle? How are they related?
What you found is not the length of the radius, but you can use it to find the length of the radius.
From there you will have everything you need. The general equation of a circle centered at (a,b) with radius r is (x-a)^2 + (y-b)^2 = r^2 and you will have just found the center point and radius length.
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Is it correct to find the domain after you simplify here, or do you find the domain before you simplify?
Because simplified you get one answer and not simplified you get a different answer.
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Do it before
Is this like common practice, or is there a specific reason?
Stuff like f(x)=(x-1)/(x-1) for example. It's the line y=1 with a gap at x=1 because it is undefined at x=1.
Oh I see
Why do we get two different results when you simplify though?
That's verty strange
Because the functions f(x)=1 and g(x)=(x-1)/(x-1) are defined in two different ways that lead you to two different functions I guess. 
I don't think so cause even if it was one function you would still have the same problem
right?
Like, when you simplify (x-1)/(x-1) you're assuming it's defined in the first place i.e. that x is not 1. (Or else it would just be 0/0)
What do you mean?
Like f(x) = ((1)/(sqrt(x))^2 - 4
This would just be the same problem
Even though it's not composite
Mmm, that's still a composition of several functions.
Yeah, like there's a way to write that as a composition of a bunch of functions.
Lets do a less complicated one
Sure sure
Iike f(x)=abx
Even though we haven't specified it above we could let g(x)=bx and h(x)=ax so f(x)=h(g(x))=h(bx)=abx.
Oh I see
Hm, fair enough
So before simplifying?
So (0, infinity) for ((1)/(sqrt(x))^2 - 4
Yeah p sure
You can double check this with stuff like desmos too
Compare the graph of 1/x and (1/sqrt(x))^2 for ex
Yeah?
God damn it no I'm still mixing it up
Other way sqrt(x^2 )=|x|
Eh, either way (1/sqrt(x))^2 only takes positive real inputs when you graph it
What's the difference between these two?
sqrt(x)^2 is undefined at x=-1 (assuming we stay in the reals)
But sqrt(x^2) just works out to be |x|
It's never undefined because squaring a negative gives a positive
shouldn't the squarte be outside the root?
I'm saying the diff between inside the root/outside the root gives two different functions
Oh okay
Why is there a difference
Difference between?
The power being in the root and outside the root
It shouldn't matter what power you apply first
It dows matter what power you apply first if we're sticking with real numbers
Because in the root means you do the square first, outside means you do the root first.
Right?
sqrt(x)^2 is undefined at x=-1 but sqrt(x^2) is defined at x=-1
but don't we have sqrt(x^2) = (x^2)^1/2 = (x^1/2)^2 = sqrt(x)^2
Inside gives negatives too, while outside gives positives and negatives
Not if sqrt has a domain which only consists of the positive reals.
The analogy earlier was simpler x/x=1
But only if x is not zero
Because 0/0 is undefined
yeah, it makes sense, I just can't get over the fact that I always though there is no difference
I remember being told they are the same
but probably we weren't that concerned with the domain back then
This is so interesting
You just have to be a little careful is all.
We could define the sqrt on all real numbers, we'd just need to send negative values to numbers involving i
Btw, why is sqrt of a negative not real?
Mmm, so let x<0, consider y=sqrt(x), by definition this value satisfies y^2 =x, but if y were real then y^2 would be at least zero, and x is in fact less than zero like we said earlier.
because there is no number sqrt(x) such that sqrt(x) * sqrt(x) = x if x is negative

That's so kewl
any number to an even power is a non-negative number
And a little scary
right
I see
interesting
ty guys
This is where complex numbers come from btw.
Worth looking into if you find it interesting.
You introduce an imaginary unit that is i = sqrt(-1) and then there exists sqrt(x) such that sqrt(x) * sqrt(x) for any x
Wait sorry sorry
for example if x = -4
why can't we have sqrt(0)?
sqrt(0) is just 0 and I was trying to show examples of a number x where sqrt(x) can't be real.
It's just the negative reals for x that make sqrt(x) not a real number basically.
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draw the subgroup lattice for the group generated by a,b,c each of order 2
the group <1,a,b,c>
aren't <a,b>, <b,c> and <a,c> just G?
No
then what are they?
They are isomorphic to (Z/2Z)^2 while G is isomorphic to (Z/2Z)^3
<a,b> contains a and b by definition and it contains 1 since it's a group
so it has at least 3 elements
by lagrange it must have all 4
oh right
Like I said, (Z/2Z)^2, Klein group
i misinterpreted what G is
I see
and assumed it was the Klein group
i was thinking about <ab> etc
I was dumb, why did I assume they are abelian… nvm
seems there's not really enough info
i mean the group could be the klein group or it could be (Z2)^3
depending on the assumption about multiplication
I thought it was <a,b,c|a^2=b^2=c^2=1>
yeah, the group i have could be generated like so
It is this group? Okay
its also abelian
?
So free abelian group generated by a,b,c
Quotient
Smallest subgroup containing a^2, b^2, c^2?
huh
Then this is correct
So which one it is?
Free group generated by a,b,c over a^2,b^2,c^2 or free abelian group generated by a,b,c over a^2,b^2,c^2?
Or you give us the galois extension
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I see
Ive shown that its galois already
Then this is correct
and i have eight automorphisms
oh ok
but Im still confused why <ab> doesnt show up for instance
Yeah I wonder the same… what went wrong…
because <ab> is a subgroup of order 2 and its not contained in any of the smaller subgroups so it should show up somewhere, right?
Strange… a maps sqrt(2) to -sqrt(2),doesn’t change other roots. b maps sqrt(3) to -sqrt(3), c maps sqrt(5) to -sqrt(5). Then Inv(<a,b>)=Inv(<ab>)=Q(sqrt(5)) right
Inv is the field fixed by these right?
i forgot about <a,bc> and stuff
I will try to give the corresponding intermediate fields
ok ill use it to check my own
isn't <ab> a subgroup of <a,b> as well? (since ab is an element of <a,b>)
Yeah
Yeah several lines
its ok though i was mainly concerned about the subgroups
also would you say that
<a,b,c|a^2 = b^2 = c^2 = 1, ab=ba, ac=ca, bc=cb> is a sufficient presentation
Yes
Forgot to draw lines connecting Q(sqrt(30)) though
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anyway to say this is 0 using det properties and without expanding?
add first column to second and then compare second and third column
this matrix multiplied from the right by [1; 1; -(a+b+c)] gives 0 so it is singular
(or just generally show the columns are lineraly dependent)
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What parent function is this?
The -3 throws me off
It looks like a quadratic function but then -3 happens
So I'm kinda confuzzeled
it really don’t matter what f(x) is
you’re just writing the other functions in terms of f(x)
@toxic harbor
also it looks more like a line with a point discontinuity than a quadratic if you’re trying to classify it
but that’s not really relevant
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@pallid flameHow do I write the function if I don't know what the parent function is?
can you spot any difference between f(x) and g(x)?
Yeah I can spot the differences by just looking at it
But I want to know if it's possible to figure out the parent function of a function.
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What does toolkit function mean?
You'll have to be more specific, what's the context
parent
hm alright
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i need help with iv please 🙂
Plug in the values into the formula you got in (iii)
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how do i find phase shift?
how
algebra
=0?
what is attached to x
pi/5
this is what u need to factor
a(x+b
ik?
or factoring the expression
bro
i know whats factor
but i dont know how to factor that
do u understand what im saying??
im saying that i dont know how to factor that
do u understand english?
you wanna factor pi /5 right
yes
lol dont be mean
no its just annoying
ur just repeating
factor! factor! factor!
like bro i know but how?
$\frac{\pi}{5} \qty( x - a)$
jan Niku, Researcher in LinAlg
u wanna find a such that this is equal to what you have above
$\frac{\pi}{5} \qty( x - a) = \frac{\pi}{5} x - \frac{2 \pi}{5}$
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what is a
2pi/5
u cant cause u dont have x
huh?
is there any other ways to find the phase shift other than this?
if you are allowed to graph it
you can get it by visual inspection
the phase shift is always found it factored form
bro what is the formula
if your argument isnt factored, then you have to factor it first to get it
i just want to know the formula to find the phase shift
i remember that there was a formula
like a/b
or something
yea
the same?
whats the difference?
i dont understand, difference? what do you mean?
difference between what
its just the same argument but in a different form
so you can extract phase shift
i do not understand why you want to set it equal to 0
and you arent solving for the correct thing
x is like
you arent solving for x
this is what you should be solving
for a
hmm but i get the same answer
your algebra is bad
you just added pi/5 to one side?
you arent allowed to do that
so i think it's coincidental
i can show you the way i factor in my head
im just worried its gonna make it seem more confusing
okay
u can pollute my brain
$\frac{\pi}{5} x - \frac{2 \pi }{5}$
i guess note that there is no equals here
its just an expression
jan Niku, Researcher in LinAlg
jan Niku, Researcher in LinAlg
i rewrite 1
i guess lets stop for a second like
its okay to multiply by 1, right?
as long as you add 0 or multiply by 1 you wont change anything
then why multiply 1?
jan Niku, Researcher in LinAlg
u got to find the lcm tho
this is still 1, right
if the denominator isnt same u gotta cross multiply
im not doing anything like
no lcm or anything
im just multiplying by 1
nothing fancy
1 of what?
1 of pi/5 or 2pi/5
i guess i could just say i mean i know youre mad i keep saying it but
factoring is worth learning and getting comfortable with
wait how
which is the phase shift?
hello?
oh ok
so this is correct
okay sure
yea
this is more or less what i seeing in my head when i said just factor
ok
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the top one you should do
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why did you take 1/4 out?
why not? i think it makes the equation simpler
before u do that
log_b(b)+log_b(x^1/4)
then do it
yes, taking out like that doesnt work
if it was (bx)^1/4 then you could have taken out
what log rule is this? i didnt know bout this
log_a(bc) = log_a(b) + log_a(c)
so if its like log_b (bx^2) , then i cant just take out the 2?
yeah cuz x is only squared
yes
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Why did my teacher give me a 0/15??????
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Does
xˆn = a
only have one root when
- n is odd
- a >= 0
On the reals, yes
For a>0 it is x=+- nth root of a
For a=0 ot is x=0
And for a<0 x isnt real
2 4 6 etc are odds right?
No, those are even
xⁿ has n unique roots in the complex plane if x≠0
And at least 1 real root
So it’s impossible to factorize x^3 - 27
are we meant to show that x^n = a has only one root when n is odd and a >= 0 or do we have to show there are other conditions when it has only one root?
Any difference of powers aⁿ-bⁿ, n as a natural number, is factorable
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yes
When do we calculate it as hrs?
1 m/s = 60 m/min = 3600 m/h = 86 400 m/day
1 m/s = 60 m/min = 3600 m/h = 86 400 m/day = 86.4 km/day
20 000 m/s = 20 000 * 1 m/s = ... km/day
Conversion factors are the best 😄
you normally never calculate with hours in an equation
you can do that if you have to solve something like $t_1/t_2$
~Martin
there you could write t1 and t2 in hours
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Hey
dopediscorduser
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,w log_10 (x) + log_10 (5) = 1
As you can see, yes
I didn't even know you could do that
If you just want to check your result, you can go to Wolfram Alpha or Desmos
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I need help
I dont get what to do for this question
how to find one side of a triangle when you're given all 3 angles
You need a length as well
Sine rule.
k
Basic trig yeah
what do you put as the bottom?
Side length, opposite to angle A.
What
Name them whatever you want.
Ok
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Hi i just joined the server and got no clue what I'm doing but i can try to help
f'(any number) is equal to c
Yeah f is linear, and that's why the derivative is constant
Pretty cat in your profile header btw
Ah okay
But it seems like you got the correct numbers
Don't really see how your friend got b = -1/3
Damn I misread. Yeah it's late over here
Oh how late
11:40 pm
In twenty minutes i think
Alright
If u need help with a math problem u can scroll to available help channels and then choose one btw
Oh
Nicee did ur exams go well
Yay good job
Tyty
Thnx for helping me btw
Now im done with homework
Im gonna close this channel, sleep well for later 😴
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Suppose G is a cyclic group and it has at least one element of infinite order. Show that every non-identity element in G has infinite order
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So if G is cyclic, that means $\exists a \in G$ such that $\langle a \rangle = G$. Then take $x \in \langle a \rangle$ so that $ x = a^m$ for some integer m. Then for any integer k, $x^k = a^{m^{k}} = a^{mk} = e$ iff $mk = 0$ following the definition. So only when $k = 0$ do we get the identity. Meaning no positive power k makes $x^{mk}$ equal the identity, which means $|a^m| = \infty$.
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If the sum of the 3rd and 5th terms of the arithmetic sequence equals to the 10th term. Then what is ratio of the sum of the first two terms to the sum of the first nine terms of the arithmetic sequence?```
I tried $$U3+U5=U10$$
ItzAine
do u know general term of ap
making it $$a+2b+a+4b=a+9b$$
ItzAine
yes
find the sums then
so it asks the ratio of the sum of the first two terms to the sum of the first 9 terms
first 2 terms sum will be a+a+b = 2a+b
first 9 terms sum will be
9/2(a+a+8d)
take ratio and use a=3b u get the answer
yea so then it should be $$6b+b= 7b$$
ItzAine
ItzAine
how is it 1:9?
npnp
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If matrix A has an Inverse of :
How do I find the original Matrix?
Find the inverse of that matrix
I inverse it again?
(A^-1)^(-1) = A
so it would be $$:\begin{pmatrix}1&1\ -\frac{1}{3}&-\frac{2}{3}\end{pmatrix}$$?
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Is A times that the identity, and is that times A the identity as well then yes it’s the A inverse
I didnt work on it, I just stuffed it in a calculator, I was looking for the theory itself
thank you
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having a bit of trouhble with this one
mabye i drew it out wrong
idk
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what have you tried?
this formula
but
the thing is
i think i drew it out wrong
could u help me draw it out
what did you do after that
no?
cross wind velocity + initial velocity = final velocity
hmm
no?
.
so how would i do tht
that gives you the magnitude
okat
so
now the angle
uh
sinx
sina/a =sinb/b
ohh
wait
cant i just use cosine rule again?
sin rule works too I think
yes
leme try sin rule
then
okay
yeah
i got the angle
lol
bruh, this isnt even related to the chapter tho
the whole chapter was useing this rule
weird
oh I see
you get the x component of the wind by using rcost-a
and y component of the wind is rsint
then find mag by sqrt(x^2 + y^2)
and you can find the angle by sint' = rsint/mag
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