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But here they didnt write that it was continuous (same graph)
It was limit approaching 2 f(x+1)
Except they didnt write that it was continous
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Is this a general law of working with Bayesian credences? I couldn't find it online, probably because I am using negation signs.
P(A) = P(A | B) * P(B) + P(A | ¬B) * P(¬B)
Law of total probability is what you're looking for
can P(A) = P(A | B) * P(B) + P(A | ¬B) * P(¬B)
be derived from [picture] ?
if so, how? (I appreciate the help already btw, thanks :) <3)
thanks, does it use that 'P(A) = P(A∩B)+P(A∩¬B)' is true (always) ?
If they form a complete partition of the sample space yes
shouldn't that be the case by definition? As they are eachother's negation?
I suppose
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Hello whats a forumlua I can use to find the volume of this sphere
,w volume of a sphere
V=34π(10)3
V=34π(1000)
V=34×3.14159×1000
V≈4188.79 cubic feet
Is that right
yes, although the notation is hard to follow
4189 rounded right?
yes
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Sadie Carnot (η > 1)
not necessarily
example an = 1/n , n odd and 0 if n even
in this case maybe ur right u'll have to check
Always when there are two choices, they get mixed up 
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i need help understanding how to do this
If y is directly proportional to the cube root of x+3, can you think of an equation that links them?
$y \propto \sqrt[3]{x+3}$
DJJ
Can you turn this into an equation you can use?
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I’m trying to get this answer it’s due soon
If you zoom in, I don’t know what’s wrong with my equation
You're missing a minus in the parenthesis
Where?
-(-(-4)^3/3 + 16(-4))
@lofty field can I dm you what my professor said? Or I can say it here I prefer to keep it private
Sure, you can dm me
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yo
how do I solve this
im confused if I used riemanns sum or not
wouldnt I need to be given a number of subintervals?
D
how
Find the area manually using the graph
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yo
yes
what is the point of f(2) = 6
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ah ok got it
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alr, loan = $150000.
Rate of interest = 6% yearly interest applied monthly at (6/12)% = 0.5%
do you know the simple interest of a particular amount after a given amount of time?
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what does that mean
😭
no
idt so
basically the interest for a given time is given as Amount × Rate × Time / 100
Yeah
But you have to multiply it with 2 in the second one, then by 3 in the third one and then by 4 in the fourth one
huh?
Because the number of months are changing in the next parts
oh
And the interest is directly proportional to the number of months/time
Yeah as and what the question asks you to find out
Interest + Principle amount (loan) = total repayment so that's how you do b? part
o i already did b
i was looking at c
my friend gave me her formula but idk if its right or now to use it
Oh yeah she generalized it
Use R = 6%
T= 5
Same PRT = interest in 5 years and then proceed, now you can find out the money owed
but then you have to multiply by 12×5 = 60
150000(1+0.005) + (1-(1+0.005)/1+0.005)-5*1000
Monthly payouts of $1000 no? So it should be 5×12×1000
Wait, also multiply the rate with time of 5 years in each bracket
how do i set it for 5yrs
150000(1+RT)
150000(1+0.005(5)) + (1-(1+0.005(5))/1+0.005*5)-5(1000)12
0.005 is the monthly rate, change it into yearly rate!
nothing but 12×monthly rate = yearly rate
12×5 (5 years)
o
:)
am i supposed to use ^5 anywhere?
×5*, yes
150000(1+0.005(60)) + (1-(1+0.005(60))/1+0.005(60))-5(1000)12
YES, GOOD
THANK U
anytime, happy to help!
FOR BEING SO PATIENT I WAS RLLY CONFUSED 😭😭
yeahh no worries :)
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help me idk how to continue 😭
What's the length OA? 
7 😭 ?
Nope, it's not 
its perpendicular BROO 💔
Well, it might be perpendicular, but OA is not 7 
What is OAB again?
o i havent found the arch yet
is it just
WAIT
radius is 8
SO 8 - 6.9
Yep, there you go
the length PA is 8 - 6.9
@unreal musk mind if i dm u i need help with math-
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MY FINAL BIG ASS EXAM IS TODAY
Awwww
sure, I'm up for a while 
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can someone help with this question im not sure how to go about it
I haven't done financial maths for a couple years, what is the formula?
Google exists
PV = A(1 - v^t)/i
It might be a bit tough if u haven’t done this for a long time
Might wanna watch a video or two
ok thanks
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Guys IQR is our new lesson I don't really know about it can someone help pls
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- R is the midpoint of AU, <A and <U are right angles
- AR cong. to RU
Just need help with #3 until #6
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Oh alright
i am not quite sure what to write in 5, but in 6 i think we have to write hence proved
Oh thanks
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Can someone help me solve a Pre Calc trig word problem, dont know where to start to solve it and need some guidance
send it
what do you have so far?
I dont know where to start to be quite honest with you
the 126ft part is sort of holding me back cause I dont know what I am suppose to do with that variable
that's for the last yes or no. leave it to the end
ok gotcha
I thought maybe if I did 126 - 78 I would get the left over fencing
and then I have to find the angle for it
so does the fence need to go all the way around?
that is what I assumed but I am afraid that isnt the case for whatever reason
wait I might i have figured it out
lemme see
sqrt 48^2 + 78^2 - 2 * 48 * 78 * cos(73) = 78.73195
Imma just chance it
If I get it wrong then oh well
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hey how do I graph this semi circle?
Max
So we have a circle, but we have some restrictions from the original equation $y=\sqrt{9-x^2}$, namely that $y>0$
Max
this is how you can plot the semicircle because y>0 just get 3 points using values of x.
ah okay
so when we find the y intercepts it never goes below 0 and thus a semi circle
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why cannot we solve this by plotting x and y as functions of t in a cartesian plane?
this is my method
im getting 8/5
,rotate
You’ve plotted y = x - x³ and y = 1 - x⁴
Isn’t this where you would use greens theorem or something
no can't we assume the axes to be t-f(t) instead of xy
if we have two functions f(x) g(x) we plot them in the same plane and find the areas
so we can do it that way too
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Move to your channel
I accidentally closed it but we should go there instead
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I'm struggling to understand what they've done on the dN side between lines 2 and 3
Partial fractions
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Ezucse me how come question c is wrong
It seems you forgor what b hat means
wait but dats not in the formula i used
yeah your b, i just noticed
my teacher put the hat but in my formula theres no hat
Then you forgor square
you did?
Yeah
thnx guys :D
Np!
yeah of course
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i have a relation of a function: f(a+x)+f(a-x)=k.f(x) where a,k are constants. how do i find the periodicity of the function?
First try to analyze what that expression actually says
also prove is k≥2.. the function will never be periodic
f(a+x)+f(a-x)=k.f(x). this is everything i have
f(x) is that value of the function at some point x right?
so f(x+a) is the value of the function at a point that's a greater than x
Well either way f(a+x) and f(a-x) are gonna give you 2 point which are one to the left and one to the right of f(x) equal distance away right?
okay to make it easier
try this f(x-4)+f(x+4)=sqrt(2) . f(x)
f is a function so when we say f(x-4) it means the whole graph/curve shifts to the rught by 4 units
my sir has given this question, ik the answer too
but i wanna know how to get to the answer
what he gave me was just a simple formula where i put in values of a and k and i get the fundamental period of the function
pls ping me
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i have a relation of a function: f(a+x)+f(a-x)=k.f(x) where a,k are constants. PROVE that the fundamental period of the function f(x) is 2πa/cos⁻¹(k/2)
feel free to ping me
idek how to approach this problem
my sir has given this as a trick to solve such questions quickly
what trick
he says he's made it but wouldnt tell us how
you dont need to
see if i have f(a+x)+f(a-x)=f(x) (note: the k is missing)
then i can do some substitutions and find the fundamental period
Could you try rewriting it as f(x) = f(a+x)/k + f(a-x)/k
Maybe that'll lead you somewhere
yes i thought of using the first principle but that would be tedious here
i think there should be a shorter path
i dont this so cuz the k is outside the brackets so its gonna be difficult
for a situation like this substitutions work
here i got the ans as 18
Maybe define g(x) = f(x)/k
no
that's not a general way to find period
which?
I might be mistaken
not you
see the first line was all i had been given in the question
how else could i do it
last weekend i had given a test in which too a question like this was solved the same way
we may try defining g(x) = f(a+x)/f(x) lol
what about f(x-a)/f(x)
hmm
they do
once i replace x with x+3 and then the other time i replaced x with x-9
yeah ik
but i dont get any idea on how to go about it
put x = a -x
you get another equation which is true
then eliminate f(a-x) from both equation
you may get something
2πa/cos⁻¹(k/2)
the most confusing thing here is how to get terms of cos and π
this would be true for k belongs to [-2,2)
no i was told if k>2 then its impossible for the function to be periodic
well
its not greater than 2
see what i wrote properly
also i got f(x) =f(a+x)/k-1
maybe we can use this
not even 2 cuz the arccos term becomes 0
i did what you said and got k.f(x+a)+f(x-2a)=(k^2-1)f(x)
doesnt seem like i made any progress
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i’m so confused
hi so i hve a question when adding and subtracting vectors.
AB + BX -> ?
what would I name this resultant vector as?
similarly,
AB - BX -> ?
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pls domt ping me good sir
Mb but can u quickly tell me if i made a mistake here
I completely forgot how to do these
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Did u find the area of these 2 triangles?
@whole dirge Has your questions been resolved?
No i just automatically
Times them together
Which is why i thought i stumbled on an error
Did u use a height of 6?
6?
Nope
W
Wait where’d u get 8?
Oh
I split em in 2
Okay so 16/2 = 8 which is the base
And then u use the hypotenuse ^2 and minus it by the base ^2
Yes
Sorry i havent done this topic in a second and i just tend to forget the work i do after i pass it
Any tips on how i can keep these kind of things even after finishing the topic?
Im looking to really start putting work in my studies since i have been slacking off significantly
What I do is help on this server lol. Since there are so many people at different levels of math here, I can refresh my memory by helping out someone with something I learned a while ago.
Oh, thats smart, i feel like i just forget about it because i didnt think id have to do something i did from the last grade to the next grade again
Even tho ive had to do the same thing since the 6th grade and still do it now in the 10th grade
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how do you compute the coefficienct of x^3y^2
with binomial thrm
hint : multinomial theorem
no clue what that is
or rather binomial will work here
see
Tr+1 = nCr x raised to r multiplied by (2y) raised to (5 - r)
latex work
set r = 3
does it matter if you do r = 3 or r = 2
yes here x raised to r so r should be 3
if you write it as 2y raised to r then you can use r = 2
and x will be raised to 5 - r = 3 in that case
5c3 = 5c2 so remains unchanged.
how do we know that x is raised to r and not y
it is a way of writing, in general use this as a working rule you'll run into fewer errors
(a + b) raised to n
the r + 1 th term will be ncr a raised to r and b raised to n - r
a and b in the order as specified
this helps in avoiding errors
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**Bayesian epistemology / statistics **
so we have a prior credence of 0 in theory 1 & theory 2, but theory 1 and 2 do not contradict each other, they actually cohere very well. Does this say anything about what our prior in theory 1 and theory 2 should be?
If theory 1 and theory 2 are the same theory then they will "cohere" very well despite us not genuinely gaining any new insight into the theory
Maybe you should post the full assignment or give more context
I would imagine that the main challenge here is about posing the problem formally, which probably gets pretty philosophical
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what if they are not the same theory?
the context is that theory 1 is that the universe expands indefinitely (i.e. that we get a heat death, which is predicted by our best cosmological theories (LCDM-model) and data and theory 2 is that large scale quantum fluctuation are possible such that a brain could quantum fluctuate into existence (which follows from quantum field theory). Curious to hear your thoughts! Appreciate the interest :)
does that help? The problem is that if you take both together you get 'the Boltzmann brain' paradox and Sean Carroll proposes to assign a credence of 0 to any theory that entails Boltzmann Brains (which is the conjuction theory of theory 1 and 2) and I'm wondering what the consequences would be for our credence in theory 1 and our credence in theory 2 independently
nvm, I got it
yeah that's getting pretty philosophical
Personally, I think people put way too much faith into the leading scientific theory, like for example I would think of the assumptions of statistical mechanics similarly to how you might think about giving every belief a prior uniform distribution
like, clearly the actual probability distribution of any clearly articulated belief is that it's either true or false with probability 1 but giving stuff uniform prior distributions etc. is a useful concept in the presence of uncertainty
and in a similar vein I think assuming that a system spends equal time in each of its microstates is a good assumption when we don't perfectly understand how the system behaves but that doesn't mean that it would actually necessarily be possible for a Boltzmann brain to form
but unfortunately I'm not a physicist so I'm not really qualified to enter that discussion and take that with a hefty amount of salt
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thansk!
thansk for your input anyway
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omg wait
that looks much more simpler ill try to do it
is this product rule or chain rule
or both
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hi i need help w logarithms
i have no idea what the question is asking me
nor how to solve it
the above one
and if im not helped i will explode 😤🤯
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I am trying to solve a geocaching mystery. The title of this mystery is "Decimal primes" so I believe it has something to do with prime numbers although I do not understand the decimal part as demical numbers are not primes. I have tried to factorize the numbers but so far I haven't gotten anything out of it. The solution should be N 60° xx.yyy E 024° aa.bbb where I believe xx is 10 or 11 and aa is between 51 and 53.
The given sequence from which I should find the coordinates is 1 497 608 686 475 023
link to the task: https://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GCV5R0
I don't need the full solution but merely a bumb to right direction.
have you tried just finding the prime factors of that huge number?
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oh and they match the coordinate requirements
awesome
oh stupid me, should have done that. thank you so much
that is really neet solution
no problem
yeah it is almost there. I can work out the rest of it with this
need to just do the conversion
have fun!
it is a fun hobby. I love solving the mysteries and it has outdoors/health benefit as well. I recommend 🙂
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my first thought is (x-5)(x+5/3)(x-2/3)
yeah i think its correct
if submitted similar answers and it said it was wrong
is this a test 🤨
no
maybe try in expanded form?
its a extra credit thing
ive asked my teacher if using discord for homework is allowed and she said it was
she knows discord ?
it says factored form
she knows that i am getting help from strangers on the internet if i cant get help from a tutor or from her directly as fast
right.
oh right, it should be correct then
the only problems i have been asking on here for help i dont get any points on i have already gotten the max extra credit
what comes up when you press preview
nothing i think the button is broken
i think i need to have a number infront of th equation
they want the leading coefficient to be 1
so you shouldn't
so what else do i need to do after i get (x-4)(x-4/3)(x-3/2)
nothing
but when i submit that it says i am wronf
bring that up with your teacher
ok
the only other thing i could think of is that they want integer coefficients/constant for each linear factor
factor out 1/3 from (x-4/3)
and factor out 1/2 from (x-3/2)
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I need help with part c)
I know I can create a bijection between P(N) and infinite strings of 0 and 1
I have thought about constructing a set of antichains where each string as a unique 1 in the nth position
This is the extent of my thinking and I'm stuck at this point
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So is this trying to do $f:\mathbb{R}\Rightarrow\mathbb{N}$ for the first one?
Narutoes
So an uncountably infinite set to a countably infinite set?
Or is it $f:\mathbb{Q}\Rightarrow\mathbb{N}$, which would be two countably infinite sets
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What does this mean?
here's the proof
It's breaking a number down into its digits
$a_k$ is the $k$th digit of $n$.
SWR
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Hello
Can someone help with this?
Ik that 3 is the root and 2 is the exponent
But idk where to put them
And where the 2 goes
Inside or outside of square root
both are correct... but normally you write exponents inside the root
The 2 is multiplied with $(x^{\frac{2}{3}})$
Alberto Z.
Ok so 2 has a secret exponent of 1?
Alberto Z.
What is that triangle thing
It means "for all" or if you prefer "for every"
Meaning that no matter what value of a you have, it will be always the case that a¹ = a
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This is a quick one
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Can someone explain how I can prove that a tangent line to any point(x1, x2) on the parabola x^2 = 4py is x1/2p?
Without derivatives
I don’t know where the p comes from because I don’t think I can use the focus or the directrix in any way
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i think what ive learnt is math should only be done by doing problems right?
you shouldnt watch youtube vids
or like read a textbook
you have to physically do as many problems as possible
idk if any1 agrees?
not necesarily no
why
what do you do if you have no idea what the problem asks tho
how will you understand the concepts without learning them from somehere
look at the solutions
i think visualisations are the best way to truly understand how something works or why its true
but if you want more hands on knowledge then you have to get in there yourself
how do we visualise
have you ever seen a 3blue1brown video
This is not a specific maths question, ask on a regular chat
use graphs
No
do see one
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so basically combine visualising with a tonne of problems
?
thats how we get a good grade
My dude is just trolling
there is no one objective way
everyone is different and some things might help you more than others
yh i think for me just as many problems as possible
repetition is important tahts true
but then repetition is one layer, if the question is slightly different u need to apply a tactic to solve it
how do we get that tactic
i watch a lot of math stuff and read theory too
some tactics you just learn other you get intuitively and others come from understanding of theory
always take time and think about it too
if you dont get it instantly
dont force yourself to be able to do everything and instantely
there will be things youll have problem with
and will take you a lot of time to solve
yh i remember not understanding a problem for hours
i discourage this
alr
your health and sleep is most important
yh apparently doing like all nighters reduces life expectancy
it does
farkk
id prefer dying later and happier tbh
alright i agree
if you gonna learn everyday for even an hour it will eventually benefit you much more than doing an all nighter once a week or even trying to force yourself to do like 5-10h everyday
it will benefit you short term thats true if you wanna get good grades here and now
but the way i think about these things is if i put myself through a tough 24 hour study session i will have done more than most ppl have done in months
this is the way my brain works
I also suggest you don't look at answers immediately , spends a lot of time on each problem
if you gonna do 1h for 24 days you will do more than other ppl in a month
its gonna ruin you in a long run
yh true
unless youre superman, your returns will increase only for a few hours, then they will start to drop
dont get on that stuff
alr soz
nice talking to you guys
@pastel wren @teal turret thanks for the more health beneficial revision approach
at the end of the day its about being happy
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(x,y) = (3,2)
show your work
also from xy=6 you get x = 6/y
and you can sub this into one of the original equations
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hello. why is random variable X plus a constant "a" is a thing???? isnt X a function? how are we allowed to sum a function to a constant ?
plus it says E(X + a) = E(X) + a
how ???? since we know E(X) = Σ xi p(X = xi) ---> it should be that E(X+a) = Σ (xi + a) p(X = xi + a) how is p(xi+a) in that sum is not 0 ???????
Real function plus a number is a function
(f+a)(x) = f(x) + a
If X is a function X(x) then X+a is the function (X+a)(x)=X(x)+a
f+a is the name of the function whose values are f(x)+a
the other would be true in my mind only if the p(xi + a) remains same as p(xi) somehow
yep i see that. never knew we could do that.
btw
"E(X+a) = Σ (xi + a) p(X = xi + a)" is wrong
it's
E(X+a) is not Σ (xi + a) p(X = xi + a)
E(X+a) = Σ (xi + a) p(X+a = xi + a)
so it's Σ (xi + a) p(X = xi)
Prepare yourself for linear and even nonlinear combinations of random variables
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Why does this not converge at 1 ?
The formula for the sum is given in the mark scheme right there aswell
Wait im trying to send another picture but its not loading
I tried looking in the fraction for any place where x = 1 could give a /0 but that also doesn't seem to be the case
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This is probably super simple but I was watching this proof for real analysis on youtube
and I am really confused why he said ofcourse for all n n is greater then or equal to 1
why is this true?
I understand the rest of the proof just not how he got that
Ok so what symbol means the set of natural numbers
N
1/n starts at 1/1=1
then gets smaller as n increases 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, ... tending to 0
1 is the highest it ever gets to be
So the big N means the set of natural numbers which is non negatives 1 2 3 4 etc
yeah
$\mathbb{N}$
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why does tan have more then 2 values, unlike sin and cosine
so lets say cosine x= 60 degrees, then the values would be 60 and 300 degrees
but for tan it has 4 values
but why since it is negative in the other 2 quadrants,
and shouldnt this answer be 60 degrees and 240 degrees
tan^2 (theta) = 3
tan(theta) = +-sqrt(3)
theta = arctan(sqrt(3)), arctan(-sqrt(3))
where you get the +- from
what values of x satisfy this?
2
what else
-2
$x = \pm \sqrt 2$
ohhhh
correct
ok now i get it, thx
np
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Q. sum of 2 irrational numbers is always irrational?
Is this statement TRUE or FALSE
false
e.g take sqrt(2) and 1 - sqrt(2)
both are irrational, but their sum is clearly 1
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i know this is U sub but i dont know how to get rid of that extra t in the numerator?
Well, if t+1 = u then it stands to reason that t = ...
u-1 got it, ive been brain farting recently... calc 2 final on monday 😭
thank youuuu
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how do i solve -8x^-1.5
this is my working out
You can't solve that. There's nothing to solve, it is just an expression involving x, not an equation.
Well, I'm not sure what simplification can be done, actually
here is what it says
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“Write each of the following in simplest surd form with positive exponents”
Ok, so: you remember that x^(a+b) = x^a * x^b right?
And that x^(-a) = 1/x^a
yes
Ok, now consider that -1.5 = 0.5 - 2
you mean -2?
Sorry yes
No need, -8 doesn't have the exponent applied to it
√(x) / x^2 = 1/√(x^3)
And I'm not really sure which one they want
I personally consider the first to be more simplified than the second
the second one is written in the book
But there are probably some sort of rules they want you to specifically follow
how does that turn into the second part
Well, instead of following my method instead use yours where you take advantage of x^(ab) = (x^a)^b
You used a = 3 and b = 1/2
oh wait
With a negative somewhere in there
(x/x^4)^1/2
Yes exactly
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LOGIC AND PROBABILITY PROOF (slightly advanced)
I want to prove ¬( P(B | ¬A & C) ≈ 1 )
from the premises
- P(A | B & C) ≈ 1
- P( C | A & B) ≈ 0
we don't have precise numbers, just approximate one's.
can this be done? If not, what other (approximate) premise would be required to prove this?
the proof:
Essentially, the total Event Space is split up into 8 possible cases, because there essentially 3 coin flips.
A & ~A
B & ~B
C & ~C
We can pair these three objects into different permutations like A & B & C or A & (~B) & (~C), etc.
We know that the probability of this event space has to be equal to 1, but we don't necessarily know any of the individual probabilities of the 8 states.
Now, we are making the claim that P(A | B & C) ≈ 1. By definition, this means:
1.) P(A & B & C) / P(A) ≈ 1. Moving the P(A) to the other side, we get:
2.) P(A & B & C) ≈ P(A).
What this tells us is that P(A) is heavily conditional in B and C. A most likely isn't going to happen unless B and C are also happening.
Now, for the other given approximation, we get P(C | A & B) ≈ 0. By definition, this means
3.) P(A & B & C) / P(C) ≈ 0.
Since P(C) has a upper limit of 1 (Probabilities are always less then 1), this means that the only way for the above to be approximately zero, is if the numerator is approximately zero.
4.) P(A & B & C) ≈ 0, which means P(A) ≈ 0, due to the approximate equivalence in sentence 2 above.
What this means is that almost all the probability is in ~A, or, P(~A) ≈1.
This essentially limits the event space into two Subsets of the event space that hold to the following:
E1 = {All events containing ~A}: P(E1) ≈1
which includes:
~A & B & C
~A & ~B & C
~A & B & ~C
~A & ~B & ~C
and
E2 = {All events containing A}: P(E2) = 0
Which looks like the above, but replace all of the ~As with As.
A & B & C
A & ~B & C
A & B & ~C
A & ~B & ~C
Now, this has an interesting result. Although we don't know anything about the probabilities containing ~A, we do know that any probability that contains A ≈ 0. This is because the sum of all the part have to be approximately zero.
What we want to know is the approximate probability of the event P(B | ~A & C). By definition, this expression is equivalent to:
P(~A & B & C) / P(B)
The problem is, this question is about ~A, which we know nothing about it's probabilities. We were able to reduce the event space, but we weren't able to reduce it enough. In order to find the approximate probability, we need to get an approximate probability of the remaining 3 probabilities.
So, let's assume that what we want to prove, and see what needs to be the case.
So, the assumption given is the following.
5.) P(B | ~A & C) ≈ 1.
By definition, this is equivalent to the following:
6.) P(~A & B & C) / P(B) ≈ 1
Which moving the P(B) term to the other side gets us:
7.) P(~A & B & C) ≈ P(B)
So how does this get us closer to a solution?
Right now, P(B) is split up into two components (due to the truncated event space).
P(B) = P(~A & B & C) + P(~A & B & ~C)
But since we know Equation 7, we know that the latter term in this equation must be approximately zero, as that is the only way that the first two terms can be approximately equivalent.
What this means is that we can work backwards towards the solution, and make our solution what we desire to find.
If we know that P(~A & B & ~C) ≈ 0, then we can say for certain that P(B | ~A & C) ≈ 1.
However
we wanted to prove that ~(P(B | ~A & C) ≈ 1), would the only way that can be done be if we know that ~(P(~A & B & ~C) ≈ 0)? Or would it be doable from the following three additional premises that stem from the context of the problem (first I thought them to be unnecessary)
- P( ~A | ~B & C) ≈ 1
- P(C | ~A & B) ≈ 1
- P(C & A | B) ≈ 0
would these allow me to prove that ~(P(B | ~A & C) ≈ 1) or do we have an inconsistent set of premises now?
curious to hear your thoughts :)
@neat sparrow Has your question been resolved?
actually, the first step in this proof is confusing to me:
premise 2: P(A | B & C) ≈ 1
definition of conditional probability yields
P(A & B & C)/P(B & C) ≈ 1
not:
P(A & B & C) / P(A) ≈ 1.
or is a different definition than the definition of conditional probability being used in this first step?
@neat sparrow Has your question been resolved?
@trim portal I think the proof that showed that it cannot be proven is actually wrong [reason below], but I found a very simple proof after all. See #help-35 message
Reason: The first step in this proof is confusing to me:
premise 2: P(A | B & C) ≈ 1
definition of conditional probability yields
P(A & B & C)/P(B & C) ≈ 1
not:
"P(A & B & C) / P(A) ≈ 1."
or is a different definition than the definition of conditional probability being used in this first step?
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