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warm shaleBOT
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stabulo

rigid pine
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LaTeX on phone. 😢

grave halo
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yes thank you thats what i was thinking it makes so much sense thank so much

rigid pine
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Good luck in your computations. 🙂

grave halo
rigid pine
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Glad to help. 🙂

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timid silo
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Im so confused

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wooden cipher
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Is this the graph the derivative of a function?

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Can you show us the directions too otherwise we have no idea

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@timid silo Has your question been resolved?

wooden cipher
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Ok this is the graph of the derivative

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So when the graph of a function has a critical point, what is the value of the derivative?

wooden cipher
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So when is the graph of the derivative 0?

timid silo
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-1, 4.5

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and -5

wooden cipher
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The graph is the derivative

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When does the function in the picture hit 0?

timid silo
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Ah i see

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didnt see the the '

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im partially blind

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sudden patrol
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i need little help

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limber umbra
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yeah

sudden patrol
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here it is

limber umbra
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okay

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so

sudden patrol
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i need to arrange it

limber umbra
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1- (cos(x))^2 = ….

sudden patrol
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but i dont know how

limber umbra
sudden patrol
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what equals that

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sin^2x

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?

limber umbra
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yes

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cos(2x) = …

sudden patrol
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sin2x

limber umbra
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no

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cos(x+x) =

teal turret
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luka are u familiar with cosine double angle identities?

hollow kite
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cos(2x)= 2cos²(x)-1 or 1-2sin²(x)

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also 1-cos²(x)=sin²(x)

sudden patrol
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yeah i see

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2sin^2x

limber umbra
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1 - sin^2(x)

limber umbra
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1 - cos(2x) = ?

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@sudden patrol

sudden patrol
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2sin^2x

limber umbra
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yes

sudden patrol
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i wrote it up

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hahah

limber umbra
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now you can simplify the sin

limber umbra
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then a primitive of 1/2 ?

sudden patrol
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yeah

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bcs i have 2sin

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on the bottom

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so ill have 1/2 before intehral

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integral

limber umbra
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yes

sudden patrol
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so ill

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get

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this

limber umbra
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okay

sudden patrol
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then

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can i this

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sin^2x/sin^2x

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wrote like its 1

limber umbra
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yeah

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primitive of 1 is ?

sudden patrol
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c

limber umbra
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x

sudden patrol
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x+c

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i meant

limber umbra
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yeah

sudden patrol
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but i wrote that on photo math

limber umbra
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easy

sudden patrol
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and answer is different

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see?

limber umbra
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

sudden patrol
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what

limber umbra
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💀

warm shaleBOT
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Stephen

limber umbra
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no he wrote it right

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but the program just went nuts i think

sudden patrol
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yeah

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okay

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answer is 1/2x+c

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thanks guys

limber umbra
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you get 1/2( x+c)

sudden patrol
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yeah

limber umbra
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yes

sudden patrol
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i did it on photo math

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just to be shure

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thanks

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balmy atlas
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Hi can you help me with this problem please ?

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sudden patrol
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let us see

balmy atlas
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I have no idea of how to start

timid silo
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are M_{n,m}(K) the matrices of size n-by-m, and rg is rank?

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@balmy atlas Has your question been resolved?

kind hawk
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if you have rank 1, what can you say about the relationship between the rows

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what about the columns

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in a product CL where C is a column and L is a row, what can you say there

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long hornet
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Help

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long hornet
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Does anyone know where I can learn to solve this problem I have never seen it before and I don't see similar example on yt

tardy epoch
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just solve it case by case

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IF X >= 2

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and then
IF X < 2

long hornet
tardy epoch
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what answer are you looking for?

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|x| is a function of x

long hornet
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To add the two solution

tardy epoch
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,w plot |x|

tardy epoch
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,w plot x

tardy epoch
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math add?

long hornet
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So I find what the solution is
IF X >=
lets say its 2

And IF < 2

lets say its 1

And then I have to add them

So solution is 2+1 =3

tardy epoch
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you do not add solutions

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you're only looking for solutions to your equation

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they do not add like that

long hornet
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Well they told me to find

x for both cases and add them for some reason

long hornet
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Okay one sec let me translate it

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But it just says
Find the
the sum of the solutions of the equations

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Let me write the solution on paper

long hornet
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Okay let me see if |X| is needed here

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And I to find a way to ask this question in a way that makes sense

tardy epoch
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looks good

long hornet
# tardy epoch looks good

Okay here , so I don't see |X| interacting with anything in this problem so I don't really see the point of its existence

So do I just say oh in this problem I found |X-2| and then go , okay I was given some rules for x-2 let me look at them .
And since there is no |X| in
|X-2|+X×2:3-4=0 I literally just ignore it since it has no reason to exist

tardy epoch
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that's like saying $\pi$ doesn't have a point for existing because you can just say "number equal to the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter"

warm shaleBOT
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riemann

long hornet
tardy epoch
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what do you mean "do i have to ever look at |X|" ?

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are you asking if you have to read the equations you're being asked?

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then the answer is yes

long hornet
tardy epoch
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will still be the same as what method?

long hornet
tardy epoch
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well yes they're mathematically equivalent because that's just the definition of |X|

long hornet
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Or is it more something like pi where you cannot change it

tardy epoch
tardy epoch
long hornet
tardy epoch
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just do a new problem

long hornet
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Thanks I got it will read more on WHY X is like that but for now just knowing that it is like that is enough

tardy epoch
long hornet
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rustic heath
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any idea on how to start this problem?

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rustic heath
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i tried to parametrize it but idt it's the right approach

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anybody?

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i just need a little hint and i think i can solve it on my own

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timid silo
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hey, for any people good with trigonometry, i had confusion in regards to two different answers
the two images have an answer that is 60 degrees (pi/3 rad) vs another answer that has 30 degrees pi/6 rad

timid silo
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my first question in the first image had a regular triangle that i drew as its supposed to be in the answer

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in the second question however, i made the same similar shaped triangle and assumed it would be an equilateral triangle (which was right, but the execution was wrong?) because the triangle was the other orientation and was facing upwards
why is it suddenly 60 / 2 = 30deg? it was just a bit jarring to me even after reading the answer explanation

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bold nest
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Is there a nice limit for this sequence of functions? Can I use l'hopitals

bold nest
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I have brain rot

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b) for full q

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i have dominating g I just am too ??? to get f_n -> f

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nvm

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i have brain rot

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bold nest
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IM SO DUMB

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WTF

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I am having a small confusion about the notation Rudin uses. In chapter 2 he mentions that (a, b) is open in R but not in R2. First one is immediate but I don't understand the second one.

gleaming ridge
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Is (a, b) like an open rectangle in R2?

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He generalises closed intervals in higher dim spaces as k-cell. So, a 1-cell is an interval, 2-cell is a rectangle and so on...

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Someone on math.stackexchange said that we have to identify (a, b) with (a, b) x {0} to view it as subset of R2

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But Rudin never mentioned anything even close why is why I am confused

civic zealot
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what is Rudin's definition of open?

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open ball around every point?

gleaming ridge
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That, p is an interior point of E if there exists some real number r>0 such that Nr(p) is contained in E. If every point is an interior point then the set is open.

gleaming ridge
civic zealot
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ah. So Rudin is basically avoiding using some clunky notation.
The interval (a,b) is open in R because you can put a ball in it (other open intervals)
The interval (a,b) is meaningless in RxR unless you think of it as a line from a to b. or (a,b)x{0}

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if you want it to be rectangle in RxR then you need a second interval for the 'height'
So (a,b) doesn't have a height, it's just a line.

gleaming ridge
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I thought that a and b are 2d coordinates specifying the width and height but it seems I was wrong

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Like a=(a1, a2) and so on..

civic zealot
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Ah, nope. He's literally saying 'the one dimensional interval (a,b) in RxR"

gleaming ridge
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Fkin Rudin

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So, for higher dimensions I'd think of (a,b) as (a, b) x 0^k

civic zealot
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basically, yeah

gleaming ridge
civic zealot
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the intuition is that the line (a,b) in R is the same one dimensional line in R^n

gleaming ridge
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@unreal musk thanks for the reacts, very helpful sully

unreal musk
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Hey, Rudin is amazing, yea dw

thick fog
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What edition are you using? I don't see this notation in my version

gleaming ridge
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3rd edition

thick fog
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Oh okay, I have a 2nd edition

gleaming ridge
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I heard 2nd has worse notation lol

unreal musk
gleaming ridge
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Plus for cheap SEA version 3rd edition was the only one I could get

unreal musk
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Mind you, they do say "if we regard it as a subset of R^2" (and the way C and R^2 seem to be identified there!)

thick fog
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Well... its from the 60s and does have some pain associated with reading any math book from that era

gleaming ridge
wild swallow
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segment coCatThink

unreal musk
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Ah, like the k-cells but open instead right? catThumbsUp

wild swallow
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then it would be a rectangle coCatThink

gleaming ridge
wild swallow
gleaming ridge
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I thought maybe there's some problem at the corners but now that I think about it open rectangles would be open

wild swallow
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it would be a bad name otherwise KEK

gleaming ridge
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Lol yeah

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Anyway, thanks for the input everyone

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idle spade
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ok so

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idle spade
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shit it didnt send

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one sec

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im basically just unsure if i did what they asked me to

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or if i'm missing something

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or if i did it right in general

fierce lagoon
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Seems justified to me

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,w Limit[Sum[(6/n * 1/(6 k/n + 1)), {k, 1, n}], {n, Infinity}]

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It broke KEK

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Seems fine to me

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@idle spade Has your question been resolved?

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much appreciated

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north forum
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question b

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fierce lagoon
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!status

obtuse pebbleBOT
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What step are you on?
1. I don't know where to begin
2. I have begun but got stuck midway
3. I got an answer but I'm told it's wrong
4. I got an answer and would like my work checked
5. I have a question about someone else's worked solution
6. None of the above
north forum
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3

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i got 7.5

fierce lagoon
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Show your work

north forum
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it’s 7.8

fierce lagoon
royal basin
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@north forum "show your work" does not mean "blurt out another answer"

north forum
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and my working out went

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i did

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this

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261.8/2

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which is

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130.9

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130.9= 1/3 pi h r^2

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(130.9 times 3)/pi= h times r^2

royal basin
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where did 261.8 come from...?

north forum
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the volume of the cone

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full

royal basin
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,calc pi/3 * 5^2 * 10

warm shaleBOT
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Result:

261.79938779915
royal basin
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okay, checks out.

royal basin
north forum
royal basin
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what did you do from here?

north forum
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i divided it by two

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and then

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tried solving for h

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the ratio for h to r is

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2:1

royal basin
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do you have your work written out on paper?

north forum
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yes but it’s messy

royal basin
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it's hard to decipher what you are doing from this fragmented retelling

fierce lagoon
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Rewrite the work then

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I think I know what they're getting at

north forum
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i tried doing the square root

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but that wouldn’t work would it?

royal basin
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this seems like it is not your full work

north forum
fierce lagoon
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I'm assuming what they did was they got $V = \frac{250\pi}3$ for the full volume. And then since $\frac r h = \frac{1}{2} \implies r = 0.5 h$, $V = \frac{h (0.5h)^2 \pi}{3}$.

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Umbraleviathan

fierce lagoon
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But then you need to solve for h when it's V/2 instead of V

north forum
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hold on

fierce lagoon
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You did hr instead of hr^2

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And even then, you'd need to solve for r in terms of h

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that's why r/h = 5/10 implies r = 0.5h

north forum
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yeah

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so r would equal 3.7

fierce lagoon
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Since the volume of the full up is 250pi/3

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You don't even need to solve for the radius

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Just replace r with 0.5h

fierce lagoon
north forum
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what about the square root?

fierce lagoon
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There should'nt even be a square root

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If you replace r with 0.5h and the volume with half-full volume:

$$\frac{250\pi}6 = \frac{h(0.5h)^2 \pi}{3}$$

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Umbraleviathan

obtuse pebbleBOT
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As a helper, please do not give out answers that could be copied as a homework solution. Have the student work through the problem themselves and guide them along the way.

fierce lagoon
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Did you seriously nosols me lol

north forum
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no

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it was someone else

fierce lagoon
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Nah EndTimes just popped in

north forum
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i swear to god

fierce lagoon
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Goofy moemnt

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Anyways you understand why I replaced r with 0.5h right

north forum
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yeah

fierce lagoon
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So I don't understand where the square root comes from

fierce lagoon
north forum
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would it be 0.25h^3 pi?

fierce lagoon
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Yeah

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So now it should be easy to solve for h

north forum
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h would be 5.5

fierce lagoon
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That's not what I got

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I got around what your answer key says

north forum
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what did you solve for?

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you solved for h using what?

fierce lagoon
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Algebra

north forum
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yeah so you did

fierce lagoon
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$\frac{250\pi}6 = \frac{0.25h^3\pi}{3}$

warm shaleBOT
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Umbraleviathan

north forum
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i didn’t get that

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i did

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what you did

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but didn’t divide by 3

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because i forgot the original question

cinder bane
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<@&286206848099549185>

north forum
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what?

frigid prism
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@cinder banebroo

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first this channel is occupied

north forum
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i got 7.9

frigid prism
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second dont ping helpers until you waited 15 min

fierce lagoon
fierce lagoon
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They probably did intermediate rounding

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Or they curtailed the number

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Yeah if you do intermediate rounding, it's 7.8 something

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7.9 is more accurate

north forum
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i thank you so much and i am so sorry for the hassle 😞 you’re so helpful i really appreciate it

fierce lagoon
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Np

north forum
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can i close this channel?

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.close

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timid silo
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Where do I start?

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flat roost
fathom flicker
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do you know how to do seperable ODEs?

timid silo
fathom flicker
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Did your class cover them?

ruby path
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Group all the ys with the dy and all the xs with the dx, and integrate both sides without limits

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That's the general method

fathom flicker
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For ODEs that are seperable

ruby path
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For seperable ODEs i.e.

timid silo
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alright

flat roost
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What knowledge do u have of differentential equations ?

ruby path
fathom flicker
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and realize that you can group constants at the end

timid silo
ruby path
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ln y?

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$\int y \dd{y} \neq \ln |y|$

warm shaleBOT
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NEONPerseus

timid silo
ruby path
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,w int xsin x

warm shaleBOT
ruby path
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yup with that correction you're good

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now put in the values for x and y to solve for the constant

ruby path
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,w solve dy/dx = (xsin x)/y if y(0) = -9

warm shaleBOT
ruby path
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thanks wolfram

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but yeah it make sense you got it right I think

timid silo
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So the answer is just the value of C?

ruby path
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Nope

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that whole equation

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$y^2 = 2\sin x -2x\cos x + 81$

warm shaleBOT
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NEONPerseus

timid silo
ruby path
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theres no ln y

timid silo
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oh yea

ruby path
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Replace c with the constant calue

jolly ginkgo
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Hi obchusegoose

timid silo
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hello

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y(0)=-9

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thanks for the help

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No problem

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does someone mind explaining how f(x) is = y. I can't really comprehend why

royal basin
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yeah cause it isnt a Rule™️ or anything

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it is simply common sometimes when talking about a function to write the letter x for its input and y for its output, but there is really nothing special about those letters from a formal pov

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Oh really?

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I thought there was some theory behind it

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And explanation on why because my teacher said something about it and couldn’t really understand

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f(x) means a function of x

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so y can be the same as f(x)

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Is there any value in using matrix algebra as opposed to normal elimination/substitution techniques in solving 2 variable linear equations? Or is it always much more efficient in using normal algebra for 2x2?

kind hawk
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2x2 it doesn't really matter I would say

worldly trench
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I know that with more variables, matrix algebra becomes more computationally fast. But what about just 2x2?

kind hawk
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you are doing the same steps, just slightly less writing down

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cause you dont have to write down the variables

worldly trench
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If you have to repeat the same techniques with changing constants and coefficients, then what it become simpler with matrix?

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or still the same?

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still a 2x2

kind hawk
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if you are just talking about row reducing, the matrix variant is really just a different way to write it down

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imo a better way cause you only write down the coefficients and there is less chance to mess something up with the different variables

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but in the end its just a different way to write it down

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and of course with matrices you get all the theory from linear algebra

worldly trench
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Oh ok, so it's the same efficiency in all 2x2 cases?

kind hawk
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well you are doing the same steps

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whether you subtract the first row in a matrix from the second or the first equation from the second doesnt make a difference

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same result

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latter is just more stuff to write down cause of the variables

worldly trench
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ah ok, so it would only start to make a difference with more variables?

kind hawk
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well more variables means more extra stuff to write down

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already in the 2x2 case you have to write down more stuff

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but really thats the only difference

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I need to find the fraction

Decimal = 0.2777
Fraction = ???
Perfect = 27.77%

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I need to find the fraction

Decimal = 0.2777
Fraction = ???
Percent = 27.77%

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When does the equality hold true for integral form of triangle inequality? I'm dealing with real valued functions

half silo
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do you know when equality holds for the usual triangle inequality?

half silo
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yes

wild swallow
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which is when?

half silo
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when all the 3 points lie on the same line

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wild swallow
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3 and -2 certainly lie on the same real line

half silo
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im dealing with distances no?

wild swallow
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-2 is not a distance

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the usual triangle inequality for real numbers goes like
[
\abs {a + b} \le \abs a + \abs b
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half silo
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oh, i just relate it with the usual "triangle

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And consider |a+b| as one distance

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and |a| , |b| as the other two

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sides

wild swallow
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sure

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although for real numbers your triangle will always be degenerate

half silo
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yes so for this

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does the equlity hold when |a| |b| = ab?

wild swallow
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so when a and b are the same sign you mean

half silo
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alright, so do we have the same continuation for the integral as well?

wild swallow
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basically yes

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you want f to have the same sign almost everywhere

half silo
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int f(x) . int(g(x)) should have the same sign, both going from a to b?

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do i consider int f(x) * int(g(x)) >=0

wild swallow
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no the integral itself is already a kind of sum

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so you want f(t) to be the same sign for almost every t

half silo
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we dont consider the limits?

frosty spoke
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almost every t within the limits lol

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the limits are just a fancy way of saying you're integrating over the whole real line the function 1_[a, b] times your function

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or is it the other way around? hmm idk but whatever lol

wild swallow
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ye

frosty spoke
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yeah okay nevermind that thing doesn't work so nicely for Riemann integrals

wild swallow
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when i said almost every t obviously i meant the ones that mattered

frosty spoke
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but yes almost every t within the limits

half silo
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wait can i get help over this example so i understand it fully of how i should use this equality?

frosty spoke
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isn't that jensen's inequality or something

half silo
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consider this:

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$$ \int_{\frac{\pi}{4}}^{\frac{5\pi}{4}} { |(\sin{x})-a|} \geq |\int_{\frac{\pi}{4}}^{\frac{5\pi}{4}}{ (\sin{x})-a}|$$

warm shaleBOT
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saltyballs666

half silo
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equality holds whenever $$\int_{\frac{\pi}{4}}^{\frac{5\pi}{4}} {(\sin{x})-a}>=0$$

warm shaleBOT
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saltyballs666

half silo
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or is it

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(sin(x) -a) >=0

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for x in ( pi/4 to 5pi/4)

frosty spoke
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well certainly the function being nonnegative a.e. is sufficient to ensure they're equal

half silo
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ok thank you i have got it!!

frosty spoke
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but hmm I'm trying to come up with an argument for why it's necessary but I'm sleepy

half silo
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i think the normal discrete analog makes sense

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like i can't really derive triangle inequality for integrals, i just know it works since its the continuous analog for discrete stuff, we arent taught Riemann sums yet, we are just told to know that since it works for discrete, it will work for continious too lol

frosty spoke
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oh yeah it's because the integrals are equal on the positive parts

half silo
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signed area?

frosty spoke
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so if it's negative for some non-negligible set

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then you're never making up that difference

half silo
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makes sense

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i used mkdir to create new directory y9 and then i want to create a new file called myfile inside y9 how to do it

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this is a math server lmfao

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help

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whats the question

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wait

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i will show you

royal basin
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image on its way?

glossy yew
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yes

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this i need help with

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exponential and logrithmic moddling

royal basin
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is the 14 answer to part (a) written in by you?

glossy yew
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is wriiten by me

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because

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thats the start

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do you need a clearer photo

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clear picture

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me waiting for help

royal basin
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sorry, was called away for a moment.

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At the time of death, a particular plant has 100 units of carbon-14 in its tissues.

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the "14" in carbon-14 is, for the purposes of this problem, simply a name. it is not a piece of numerical data for you to work with.

glossy yew
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oh okwy

royal basin
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have you started on part b or are you paralyzed by it

glossy yew
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paralyzed by it for sure

royal basin
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ok do you know what a halflife is

glossy yew
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geussing 50% of the plants life

royal basin
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incorrect

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and you do not need to guess

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if you don't know then say you don't know and i'll point out where in the text it says what the word "halflife" means

glossy yew
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okey

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whats halflife

royal basin
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the time taken for half of the original amount to decay

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or to put it another way, the halflife of a radioactive substance is the time during which said substance shrinks to half of its amount

glossy yew
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okey i understand

royal basin
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can i ask you now to write something down in symbols

glossy yew
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yes i can

royal basin
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\textit{read these instructions to the very end before proceeding.}

referring to the formula $$Q(t) = Q_0 e^{-kt},$$ and knowing that the halflife of carbon-fourteen is $5568$ years,

write down an equation (but \textbf{DO NOT} manipulate, rewrite or simplify it in any way) that states:

\textit{``The amount of carbon-fourteen remaining after 5568 years is half of the initial amount.''}

use the letter $Q_0$ for the initial amount; \textbf{DO NOT} replace it with any numerical value.

if you have read and understood the above instructions, send the message ``Okay, I will work on the equation now.'' before proceeding.

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glossy yew
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okey lets look at this

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okey

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Okay, I will work on the equation now.

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was the initial amount 100

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@royal basin

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use the letter Q_0 for the initial amount; DO NOT replace it with any numerical value.

glossy yew
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okwy

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so this is what you mean

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@royal basin \

royal basin
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no, this is only the general radioactive decay equation

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you have not yet written down what i asked you to write down

grizzled shore
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Well I suppose initial amount is also a variable…

glossy yew
grizzled shore
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No we want t to stay

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We don’t want k

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(And don’t just replace it with a number)

glossy yew
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oh okey

royal basin
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the "half of the initial amount" is missing.

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@grizzled shore you might be misleading here a bit

glossy yew
royal basin
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no

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no

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no

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no

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bad

grizzled shore
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Ok I’m just gonna hush I feel like I’m not helping at all

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your feelings are true

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@glossy yew Q(5568) = [half of the initial amount]

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that's what i want you to write down, partially paraphrased

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can you put it entirely in symbols

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what do you mean by symbols

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@royal basin

royal basin
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what symbol did i tell you to use for the initial amount?

glossy yew
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q

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so dont use q

royal basin
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wrong on both counts.

glossy yew
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okey

royal basin
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do you have problems with reading comprehension?

glossy yew
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kinda

royal basin
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eurhg

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then it is going to be very hard for me to instruct you

glossy yew
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yes it will

royal basin
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like ok

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what i was looking for is $Q(5568) = \frac{1}{2} Q_0$

warm shaleBOT
glossy yew
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oh

royal basin
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and THEN i would have you write down $Q_0 e^{-k \cdot 5568} = \frac{1}{2}Q_0$ and walk you through solving this equation for $k$

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glossy yew
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yes\

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do we use elimanation for this

royal basin
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i do not know what you mean when you say "elimination"

glossy yew
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so

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@royal basin whats the next process after this

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lol this looks like log

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so

royal basin
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the next step would be to divide both sides by Q_0 unless you want more headaches

glossy yew
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that would elimate it

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then you get

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e^-k5568 = 1/2

arctic meteor
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What the actual

glossy yew
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yah like thats my expression

royal basin
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e^-k5568 = 1/2
e^(-5568k) = 1/2, yes

glossy yew
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do i flip it and turn it into to a log?

royal basin
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not at all the words i would use

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but i guess yes

glossy yew
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so log e ^1/2 = k5568

royal basin
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no

glossy yew
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what

obtuse pebbleBOT
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glossy yew
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instead of the log

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@royal basin do i solve it manually

royal basin
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you tried to take the logarithm of both sides (i assume) but you fucked it up

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or maybe you did not write it correctly

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you should have ended up with $-5568k = \ln(1/2)$ perhaps

warm shaleBOT
glossy yew
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is seee

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and we get k = in(1/2)/-5568

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@royal basin

royal basin
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it's ln (lowercase L, lowercase N) not "in".

glossy yew
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okey my bad

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so now that we got k

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whats next

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@royal basin

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bro we already solved it

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bro im a monekey

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that hasn't envo

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How do i find what z is, in my class we have only done trig sub where z does not have a coefficient

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i see how the solution works i just want to know how to come to the conclusion ig

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You cannot solve for anything given no statements (An expression alone provided zero information)

timid silo
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this is a trig sub intergral

sage geode
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Ah, so you are integrating?

timid silo
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yes I am sorry

sage geode
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If the sub is unclear, consider factoring 4 out

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You should get 2sqrt(1 - 9z^2/4)

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You may also notice this is the same as 2sqrt(1 - (3z/2)^2)

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Meaning you can do 3z/2 = sin(t) for example

timid silo
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i think the idea is to sorta play around with it so that you are able to factor it out into something that has a perfect square root and then the trig identity right?

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i was doing another trig intergral where it was like sqrt(13 + 25x^2)

sage geode
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Yeah, after some practice it will become obvious that the sub is z = 2sin/3

timid silo
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and the solution subbed in sqrt(13)/5

sage geode
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Yeah

timid silo
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gotcha

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im also unclear about the theta

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like finding its actual value

sage geode
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You mean changing the bounds of integration during a sub?

timid silo
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I mean like putting the final answer in terms of x and not theta

sage geode
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Ah

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E.g. z = 2sin(theta)/3 means that theta = arcsin(3z/2)

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Just use inverse trig functions

timid silo
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when does the pythagorean come in

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like for instance if you had cos theta right

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you would have to solve from theta = arcsin to get cos

sage geode
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Or how to simplify cos(arcsin(something))

timid silo
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oh sorry instead of using inverse you could just san that 3z/2 = sin theta and then use the triangle and pythagorean theorem instead of directlky subing in the inverse right?

sage geode
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Yeah, if you want to evaluate some other trig functions of theta

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gotcha thank you so much

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why is being multiplied by 8x

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cant we do this with just a 4

supple granite
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LCM is 4x

worldly narwhal
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what about 4x

supple granite
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4x works too

worldly narwhal
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why did you tag on the x

supple granite
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Doesn't really matter

worldly narwhal
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or how do we know when to include the variable

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in that lcm

supple granite
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If you just multiply by 4, you can't get rid of the x in the denominator

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Remember, 4 is not divisible by 2x, whereas 4x is divisible by 2x

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both sides have been multiplied by a common (here 8x) so the value of x remains same
It is mostly done to cancel the denominators and make the calculation easier

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Hey guys, wanna ask for help. Maybe you know a yt vid relating to this topic

knotty thorn
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is 't' not defined anywhere else?

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like is all you know about t that it is parallel to the line y?

neon gulch
knotty thorn
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nw

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to be clear

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is it f that is parallel to y

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or is it the tangent line to f

neon gulch
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Yes

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Wait

knotty thorn
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this question is oddly minimal in the information it gives

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presuming f isn't a straight line, where a tangent would be redundant, the phrase 'the tangent line to the graph of f' is an odd statement

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you cant give a tangent line of a graph

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you give a tangent line at a point on a graph

neon gulch
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Our teacher says that just from that, we could tell that m=1/2

knotty thorn
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i'll presume the question is trying to just teach you about parallel lines, then

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if something is parallel to another straight line, it shares the same gradient

knotty thorn
neon gulch
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btw, our lesson is about Intuitive Notion of the Derivative

neon gulch
knotty thorn
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if two straight lines share a gradient, they are parallel

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you are told the tangent is parallel to y = x/2 + 5

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the gradient of y = x/2 + 5 is 1/2

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so the gradient of the tangent must also be 1/2

neon gulch
knotty thorn
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a tangent is a straight line

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so it is of the form y=mx+c

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you know m = 1/2

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you cannot determine c without any further information

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=> y = x/2 + c

neon gulch
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So Is it unsolvable?

knotty thorn
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if there is literally no other information about graph f than 'it exists'

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yeah

neon gulch
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My teacher solved a bit of the equation, maybe this could help

knotty thorn
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.rotate

neon gulch
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,rotate

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warm shaleBOT
knotty thorn
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wheeeere are you getting f(a) = sqrt(x-2) from

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if that is what f is you should've just said lol

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you're also getting

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'find the tangent at point x=0'

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out of nowhere

neon gulch
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Ohhh

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I seem to have not understood the question thoroughly

knotty thorn
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i don't think you've written it out, correctly

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your question should be akin to
(Using the limit definition of the derivative/gradient), Find the equation of the tangent to the graph f(x) at x=X)

neon gulch
knotty thorn
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this is from this equation

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the limit definition of the gradient at point a

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in your question, you did not provide f(x)

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yet it seems to be defined enough from the limit written above

neon gulch
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Ohhhh

knotty thorn
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if you did not have a f(x) writing sqrt(x-2) and sqrt(x+Δ x-7) would be impossible

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so you do, the question is just missing information

neon gulch
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So the missing info is just x=0? Which is already there but isn't mentioned?

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help

jolly ginkgo
mental fiber
jolly ginkgo
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Ok so it's different permutations

mental fiber
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yes

jolly ginkgo
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So show your work

mental fiber
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p^2q/r + p^2 r/q + q^2 p/r + ...

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also the info i have is

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p+q+r = 2/3

jolly ginkgo
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You must've the roots

mental fiber
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pq + qr + pr = 0

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pqr = -1/3

mental fiber
jolly ginkgo
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Alr

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So (p+q+r)(pq + qr + pr) = p²q + pq² + pqr + .....

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But after this gotta think

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Ok anyway find this expansion and put -1/3 for every pqr and equate it to 0

pine owl
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3 equation 3 unknown u can solve them

mental fiber
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yeah i also tried making the numerator same

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ig i'll just have to put in the values of the roots

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Then we can go ahed

mental fiber
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ok one second

jolly ginkgo
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Tell me what you get

mental fiber
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$$p^2q + pq^2 + q^2 r + qr ^2 + p^2r + pr^2 = 1$$

jolly ginkgo
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pq² twice?

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??

mental fiber
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yeah i made a mistake

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lemme fix that

warm shaleBOT
mental fiber
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yeah

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the denominators kinda makes this hella confusing

jolly ginkgo
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Yeah a bit

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We must be close tho

mental fiber
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nah this is the hard part

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😭

jolly ginkgo
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Yes

mental fiber
timid silo
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hi

mental fiber
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hi

timid silo
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need any help?

mental fiber
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yeah

timid silo
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ok

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which sum?

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i'll try 😂

mental fiber
jolly ginkgo
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Nu

mental fiber
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that sucks

jolly ginkgo
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Yeah

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Well I stopped thinking about it for a whil

timid silo
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wait wdym summation of p2q/r?

mental fiber
jolly ginkgo
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Thought you'd figure it out

mental fiber
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nope

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cant find anything to factor

timid silo
jolly ginkgo
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Feeling sleepy rn

timid silo
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wait

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did u find the roots?

mental fiber
timid silo
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ok

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so

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in cubic

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sum of roots = what

mental fiber
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-b/a

timid silo
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ye

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so

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oh wait

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nvm

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bruh

mental fiber
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i wrote all of that stuff above, im just having trouble factoring this thing

timid silo
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ok imma find the roots

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just take t = x^2

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no that doesnt work

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so 3x^3 = 3t^y

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whats y

mental fiber
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what are u trying to find

timid silo
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relation btw t and x

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t^2 sorry not y

mental fiber
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why are u using t^2

timid silo
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it would be easy to solve as quadratic

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wait 1 sec lemme solve

mental fiber
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it wont be a quadratic

timid silo
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1 sec bro

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so t = x^(3/2)

mental fiber
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yeah now u cant write the x term in terms of t

timid silo
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ye sed

mental fiber
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also i can solve the cubic

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but thats not the issue

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we not to use the sum of roots and stuff..

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thats the problem

timid silo
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ok

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do u have any idea of what to use?

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any special features?

mental fiber
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nope

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faf and i tried to think of ways to factor

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but we got nothing useful

timid silo
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oh

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hmm

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i found 1 root

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wait no

mental fiber
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,w solve 3x^3 - 2x^2 + 1 = 0

mental fiber
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yeah i dont think we are supposed to find the roots lol

timid silo
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lol

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yep

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and i thought i was good at math 😂

mental fiber
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nah the problem is wack

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not your fault

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atleast u tried

timid silo
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nah bro i feel like smth sus

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did ur teacher tell anything?

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/professor

mental fiber
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nope

timid silo
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wait we'll use the p+q+r and pqr

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so pqr = -1/3

mental fiber
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aight

timid silo
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so im taking common

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brujh

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still not getting anything soo useful

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wait a sec

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ok denominator cancelled

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so finally im getting this

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3(p^2q^2r - 2p^2q^2/3 + p^2r^2q - 2p^2r^2/3 + q^2r^2p - 2q^2r^2/3)

mental fiber
timid silo
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not exactly but

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somewhat substitution

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bruh

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its coming like infinite loop

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i've simplified to max

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is the answer 3/4?

mental fiber
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idk what the answer is

timid silo
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lol

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this is so dragging man

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do u mind asking ur teacher or smth?

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cuz idk after this what to do

mental fiber
timid silo
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😦

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u in skl?

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im sorry bro i tried my best

mental fiber
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thanks for helping

timid silo
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🙂

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ill get u ans tmrw bro

warm shaleBOT
sudden lagoon
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now we have

warm shaleBOT
sudden lagoon
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so we just need to be able to compute $\sum{1/x}$ and $\sum{1/x^2}$ to get what we want

warm shaleBOT
sudden lagoon
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if i havent made any mistakes which you can veryfy, now all the variable algebra is done and you're left with just numbers

sudden lagoon
warm shaleBOT
sudden lagoon
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@mental fiber you can analyse it if you want

obtuse pebbleBOT
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@mental fiber Has your question been resolved?

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fierce lagoon
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Alright so I just wanna make sure I'm on track with understanding Big-O.

If I have something like f(x) = x + O(x^3), this means that f is asymptotic to x^3 or something like that?

fierce lagoon
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Because I came across this a month ago and decided to read about it on google

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And then it came across me again and now I'm like "O"

drifting cypress
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'o'

fierce lagoon
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And asymptotic, I mean that the remaining terms remain beneath x^3

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So like

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Something like that

fierce lagoon
timid silo
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from wiki:

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which intuitively means that f(x) grows at most as fast as g(x)

fierce lagoon
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Oh I see

timid silo
fierce lagoon
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Hm

timid silo
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so like 2x^3 = O(x^3)

fierce lagoon
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So like

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I could say 2x = O(x^3)?

timid silo
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yes

fierce lagoon
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But not x^5 = O(x^3)

timid silo
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it's also O(x^n) for any n≥1

timid silo
fierce lagoon
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Alright thanks

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I'll play around with this more

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.close

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@timid silo there's more

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That's scary

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static fulcrum
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How can I solve (1-x)^2 by u substitution?

obtuse pebbleBOT
static fulcrum
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Would it be u^3/3 ?

mental fiber
static fulcrum
mental fiber
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its not weird

mental fiber
static fulcrum
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ah

trim portal
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then you have to substitute back

mental fiber
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^^