serious-discussion

[alpine kindle]

chat remember soothouse

[fervent pebble]

and can sing

and is funny

[alpine kindle]

it was so sad

[sleek wing]

Fuck I was doing so well

Ok 3/4 chat

[sleek wing]

I don’t know why they stopped ngl

And now I’m scared to find out

[fervent pebble]

what happened to soothouse

[alpine kindle]

they ran out of ideas

[deep mango]

What is soothouse

[sleek wing]

Oh I thought someone had DIED

[fervent pebble]

^^

[alpine kindle]

it's not that

[ancient flame]

SOOTHOUSE LMAO

I fucking LOVE jschlatt

[alpine kindle]

but this was a misremembering

[sleek wing]

jschlatt is funny as fuck

[ancient flame]

^^^

[sleek wing]

It’s basically exactly my sense of humour

[ancient flame]

same

[sleek wing]

No! I’m special and unique

Get ur own thing...

[ancient flame]

you're so quirky sis

[alpine kindle]

ok they actually left because reddit text to speech channels were doing kind of the same stuff but at 10x the rate and they thought there was no point anymore

[sleek wing]

Yeah that’s what I feared

[alpine kindle]

ah

[ancient flame]

you still have good channels like jeremy collects and matt rose

[kind horizon]

if u pass a rope through two portals facing each other on opposite ends of a hallway and tied it at its ends. Would it form a straight line or a circle

[hybrid quest]

Wouldn't it fall to the floor? So a straight line

[kind horizon]

mm I suppose it would fall

it does meet at both ends though

does that not qualify it as a loop then?

[hybrid quest]

Lmao idk there's too many assumptions you have to make with portals

[kind horizon]

yea it’s sort of a stupid question but I found it interesting lol

[hybrid quest]

Oh I see, it would be flat on the ground but connected yes so yes a circle in a way. Or maybe just a straight line broken at the portal point and rearranged so the end points meet

[arctic grove]

also
@sleek wing u happy?

[sleek wing]

wtf is going on

[hybrid quest]

Life man

[wicked ore]

Depends how you define “loop”

But I think it is

Cause the rope is basically [0,1] with 0 glued to 1

[sick burrow]

I think it would be a circle lying on the ground

Well depends on how you define circle I guess

[little vine]

Why did the algebraist love popcorn

[open aspen]

something about kernels?

and/or exact sequences?

[bronze pelican]

@alpine kindle yesterday you asked for recomendations for books about complex geometry. I think a book on riemann surfaces is a good starting point. Something like Miranda Riemann Surfaces and Algebraic Curves or Forster Lectures on Riemann Surfaces

[frozen merlin]

this is also where I plug kirwan's complex algebraic curves bc I had a chat with her recently and she's lovely

and also (potentially more importantly) I've heard it's good

[bronze pelican]

looks like a very good introductory book

By using only the basic techniques acquired in most undergraduate courses in mathematics, Dr. Kirwan introduces the theory, observes the algebraic and topological properties of complex algebraic curves, and shows how they are related to complex analysis.

it covers less and is more undergrad friendly than the 2 i mentioned, i think

[pulsar shoal]

I got accepted to an Ms math program and im fairly terrified

[bronze pelican]

terrified?

[pulsar shoal]

Yes, not being able to keep up or knowing enough going in

Or remembering rather

[toxic gale]

Welp, at least hopefully it'll be easier to relearn stuff on the fly as you've already had a first pass. Congrats on the acceptance though!

[pulsar shoal]

I hope so 😵

[alpine kindle]

I was already going to look at schlag

[bronze pelican]

oh that looks really good too

riemann-roch, abel-jacobi and uniformization are big theorems

[alpine kindle]

it serves as an intro to complex analysis in general as well, which is killing two birds with one stone

[neat lintel]

Yea so does anyone know english literature?

I have a question?

[alpine kindle]

[neat lintel]

I just asked if anyone knows english literature

[alpine kindle]

ok

what's your question about english literature

by i mean just ask your question

[neat lintel]

No, that was the question, "does anyone know english literature"

[alpine kindle]

oh

ok

well

what do you mean by that

that's quite vague

[neat lintel]

Do you know english literature, are you into it even a little, do you read books about English literature

[alpine kindle]

by someone "knowing" english literature do you mean "they have read books in english" or "they are into critical analysis of english literature"

[neat lintel]

Could be little of any

[alpine kindle]

ok

well

I've read many books in English

[neat lintel]

So thats a yes?

[alpine kindle]

yes, i guess

[neat lintel]

Alright, thanks for answering, i am enlightened now, appreciate it

[alpine kindle]

i imagine most people here have read books in english

though

[neat lintel]

Is that a strange question to ask?

[alpine kindle]

yes

mainly because depending on how you interpret it, the answer will almost always be yes if there's an english speaker in the vicinity

[neat lintel]

Well, i mean, i am aware of that

[alpine kindle]

why do you ask

[neat lintel]

I don't know

[neat lintel]

Polar bears, got a per

Pet*

[charred mortar]

Damn

Also slightly worrying ngl

[neat lintel]

There was polar, bear, in the woods

[neat lintel]

You into, football

Yea so i was walking, and a polar bear cane flying

Came*

Aaa, i think

Pretty sure

Okay, i waited, and saw it, grab something, like a cat

And it walked

In the woods

[wicked ore]

What

[stone valve]

tf is going on

[arctic grove]

i used "take" instead of give, like u said

are u happy now

on a scale from 1 to 0

are you happy

[bright hill]

good morning shyshu!

[arctic grove]

im open to suggestions, are you happy

[arctic grove]

good morning darq!

[midnight iron]

in set theory, why we consider two sets to be equal only when both are subsets ($\subseteq$) of each other?

[lusty hornet]

hey can anyone help me with herons formula here ?

[fathom swallow]

tommy

[midnight iron]

even when the symbol $\subseteq$ is used when all the elements of one set are also elements of another

[fathom swallow]

tommy

[static loom]

well if every element of A is in B and every element in B is in A, then what's the difference between A and B?

[midnight iron]

yes, this is my question

[static loom]

no that's my question

[midnight iron]

well

nothing

since we have the symbol $\subset$ for unequal sets

[fathom swallow]

tommy

[static loom]

that sounds like a good answer to me

if they're not different, I don't see why we shouldn't call them equal

[midnight iron]

exactly

[static loom]

a similar example is if $x \le y$ and $y \le x$ then $x=y$

[fathom swallow]

Merosity

[static loom]

maybe that helps to make it feel more natural

[midnight iron]

i get the idea

but let's come back to sets

if i write, $A \subseteq B$

[fathom swallow]

tommy

[midnight iron]

what is in B that is not in A

[static loom]

not enough info to say, could be nothing since $B \subseteq B$

[fathom swallow]

Merosity

[midnight iron]

i think it's just being pedantic

[static loom]

I guess you could write it as $B \setminus A$

[fathom swallow]

Merosity

[static loom]

since those are elements of B that aren't in A, but B\B = {}

which is the same thing I said a second ago

haha idk what to tell you, it seems like you understand it you just don't like it

[midnight iron]

no

have a look at this image

here, $C \subseteq B$

[fathom swallow]

tommy

[midnight iron]

but clearly

C = B

[velvet dagger]

Yeah

\subseteq means

C is a subset of B. Maybe it's equal idk

If B also happens to be a subset of C, then they will be equal

Think of inequalities

[static loom]

haha history repeating itself

[midnight iron]

yeah

[velvet dagger]

\le allows for the possibility that you're strictly bigger, it also allows for the possibility of equality. Two cases you're not sure which one yet

But you know it's one of them

I know Merosity brought this up

But if the inequalities case doesn't explain fully the sets case

Then you don't understand either case well enough

And we should focus on processing that more

[midnight iron]

umm

ok

[static loom]

yeah agreed

[grizzled grove]

What are major differences in elliptic curves over Q and over finite fields

[static loom]

interesting question idk off hand but something fun to consider is every finite field is the residue field of some unramified p-adic field extension, which of course also contains the rationals, so that might be one way to think of comparing them directly.

[kindred ridge]

who knows something about post tensioning design

[proud olive]

I sure as heck dont

[shrewd ocean]

can i ask for an advice?

[surreal sapphire]

you can try

[shrewd ocean]

i'm entering high school and i don't know if i should diversify my knowledge and experience or focus on a specific scope. my choices are mostly non-stem since that's what i perceive to be where my weaknesses are, in socializing. but my interest is more drifted for science since i might thrive in that area more, what should i do?

[stark charm]

dont worry

trust me it really doesnt matter that much

[shrewd ocean]

hmmm

[oak mist]

hey just wanted to ask if anyone has that old yt of the prof proving 1 =0

[short pike]

I think Eddie woo made it

[oak mist]

oh tysm

[uncut socket]

You realize that the proof is completely wrong, right?

[lime sorrel]

What is the most important field of mathematics used for someone joining Computer Engineering

[surreal sapphire]

computer engineering seems like a pretty big field, hard to tell

[uncut socket]

Linear Algebra because computer engineering is a mix of electrical and comp sci, matrices definitely get used a lot in EE and a good amount in CS

[lime sorrel]

I basically never done liner algebra in HS

Also no clue about the graph theory math

[mossy oriole]

A train has cars. Each car has a number (finite or infinite) of elements that belong to the domain of the function "f". The train arrives at the station of function "f". The train parks.

The station (from left to right) has:

-A circular area that is the domain.
-A prism (which is the function f:f(x))
-A circular area that is the range.

A mechanical arm takes an item from the first car and places it on the domain circle. This moves towards the prism, after leaving it, the element that comes out goes towards the range of the function. It must now wait for another mechanical arm to load it onto an empty wagon.

The train brings elements from the domain, they pass through the function, are loaded onto the train, and the train leaves the station with elements from the range of the function.

As images come out of the function, the graph of the function is built behind the station.

When the train has all the images of the function in the wagons, it goes to "The Codomain cylinder", a place where the wagons will be stored in a cube, there is a cube for each function (with the largest existing domain) , this means that, if a function has domain (a,b), the wagons will be dispatched in the same bucket that contains functions with the same analytic expression but with domain (c,d).

The elements of the domain, if they are infinite elements, are interpreted as intervals. In this way, when the crane places what is in a wagon in the domain of the station, what it is placing is any element that is between "a and b". This representation is done like this: a prism is placed (if it is a closed interval) that is representing the interval "a,b". (There are many variations here)

The color of the prism can vary depending on what you want to notice, if it is a domain with 4 elements then each one can have a different color but otherwise, no.

Any opinion/critique on that? Thank you It´s a idea

[ionic star]

get funding, and build it

100% idea of the century

[mossy oriole]

Thanks! :)

[open aspen]

@charred mortar 😳

also why are there so many ab's in here, is that an inside joke or something

[charred mortar]

I think it’s just a common username

I just used ab because lazy

Once I got booted out of a server because a bunch of spammers also went by ab

[azure nymph]

I'm onto you former NBA player Anthony Bennett

[willow finch]

@cold iron

we'll talk here

about geometry

so what level of geometry are you guys at?

so I can know what topics to tell you about

i can give you formulas

[willow finch]

it'll take me too do to this for every shape

maybe someone else can help

[lime sorrel]

I've finished geometry

[willow finch]

nah

i was asking XEMP

but yeah same

[lime sorrel]

Although that's trigonometry

In the picture

[surreal sapphire]

finished geometry

[brittle socket]

[lime sorrel]

Indeed

[proud olive]

Holy shit!

You actually did it?

[lime sorrel]

Yeah bro nothing left to learn

Euclid is proud

[arctic grove]

may i introduce you to manifolds

[brittle socket]

Differential Geometry: Am I a joke to you

[proud olive]

He has spoken

He didn't stutter

[lime sorrel]

I'm finished tho

No much to say

Geometry had nothing more to offer me

[strong light]

hi i want to try proving fermats little theorem, do you think i could do it? Is it really hard to prove or is it not that hard

[proud olive]

Oh i misread that badly

[bright hill]

[strong light]

Lmao but what are your opinions

[lime sorrel]

If you had to prove it, it would've been a conjecture not a theorem. Don't waste time

[proud olive]

Yeah i believe in u

[strong light]

so its not too out there for a hser doing competition math right?

i dont want to spend too much time on it not knowing enough math to get anywhere near it thats all xd

[bright hill]

it's kinda hard to tell when you're shitposting or not

lel

[lime sorrel]

I finished geometry

There's no more geometry for me

[bright hill]

ic

[neat lintel]

i haven't done geometry in ages

[strong light]

just bang your head on euclidean geo

problems that are made to be annoying

[lime sorrel]

I've already finished all euclidean geometry, my book was very good and I've done thousands proofs

[strong light]

ok solve every imo p3,6 geo

[neat lintel]

why

[strong light]

because

[lime sorrel]

I'm not here for competition on useless problems. I don't like abstract math

[neat lintel]

why solve something that is already true

imagine someone gives you a statement and asks you to prove it

it's already true

[strong light]

why cry about stuff we made up ourselves

[neat lintel]

huh

[charred mortar]

I think it's reasonable enough to at least try to prove Fermat's little theorem on your own if you're doing comp math

[strong light]

alright thanks im working on it

[cinder zephyr]

Yea why bother learning things people already figured out

[willow finch]

is it?

we learned this is middle school

5-8

i didn't bother listing out the formulas for all of the other shapes

just the right triangle took me like 10 minutes to do

[arctic grove]

[charred mortar]

abstract math is useless sadge

guess we have to revert to apples

[surreal sapphire]

i dont even know what abstract means

like, i dont think i do abstract math

[fervent pebble]

i dont think anyone does math tbh i think math does them

[surreal sapphire]

i do math

[arctic grove]

[neat lintel]

my undergrad thesis is like in 2 years but idk what branch of math to choose

[fervent pebble]

good thing you have two years then

[neat lintel]

but how to decide

idk what I want

[unborn trellis]

Topology

[neat lintel]

why tho

why not complex anal or lie theory or analytic number theory

or graph theory

well obviously not graph theory, but among others it's tough to choose

[lime sorrel]

Among us

[bright hill]

why is yoneda called a lemma?

[fervent pebble]

it was probably originally used in a proof of something else

by a person named yoneda

[bright hill]

[fervent pebble]

nvmmm

https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/53656/what-is-the-origin-of-the-expression-yoneda-lemma

[bright hill]

this one is explaining where it originated from

second reply is OP

but not why it's called a lemma

[fervent pebble]

hm

[bright hill]

also, the answers are like 3 pages long so I noped out 💀

[tiny forge]

My best guess would be due to the fact that its frequently used in the proofs of other statements, even though its very general. I imagine historically it was initially labeled as a lemma and it just stuck

Like Schur's Lemma

[bright hill]

that could be true

[neat lintel]

hello

I have

a question...

what's 9+10?

answer honestly

this is worth 100% of your grades

[tiny forge]

Don't troll thanks

[neat lintel]

I am like literally serious

my brother is asking ☠

and idk if I shd say 21 or 19

[bright hill]

,ui Pesar

[fathom swallow]

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[neat lintel]

help me

[bright hill]

you joined a math server coz your brother asked what's 10+9?

[neat lintel]

I'm serious

[neat lintel]

yes

and cuz im bad at math

[tiny forge]

No one is falling for it, stop

[neat lintel]

NO BRO

I'M SERIOUS

I said 21

[tiny forge]

Good for you

[neat lintel]

bruh

man said you stupid

[tiny forge]

Oh no

[strong light]

update, proved it for odd numbers

really not sure how to go about the even numbers lmfao

[uneven wadi]

what does it mean by R x Y here?

[strong light]

zy in set of r multiplied by y goes to another set L in r?

[tiny forge]

Cartesian product

[strong light]

i dont think they would use the multiplication sign for a different thing even in advanced math, thats just a dumb idea

oop

[fervent pebble]

yeah that's cartesian product

[uneven wadi]

is R x Y = R?
(i mean if equation means L:(z,y) in R x Y is same as L(z,y) in R or does it points out something else)

[fervent pebble]

nope

do you know what a cartesian product is

[uneven wadi]

yep

[fervent pebble]

that's a cartesian product

[tiny forge]

If you know what it is, why would you think that R x Y = R? Genuine question

[fervent pebble]

it's saying the ordered pair (z,y) is in the cartesian product of R and whatever Y is

[errant merlin]

i think juno is confused about the arrow

[uneven wadi]

i was confused with the notations
got it now

[tiny forge]

Yeah as is, L takes a pair (z,y) in RxY, and maps it to some number L(z,y) in R, whatever that may be

[fervent pebble]

#❓how-to-get-help

[paper hollow]

Did I do something wrong?

[fervent pebble]

if you read what was on #❓how-to-get-help you would know >.>

[neat lintel]

its 22 you were one of

sad

[bright hill]

serious question:

imagine you had a cup which you just used to drink milk

and there were still milk droplets in

and then you wanted to drink water

do you wash the cup first or do you just use it as is?

or do you use another cup?

...

it's really important

[arctic grove]

i use it as is

or i wash it

depends how lazy im feeling

[bright hill]

ic

[neat lintel]

rinse with water and then fill with water to drink

[bright hill]

but like

[ancient flame]

yooo

[bright hill]

don't you guys want extra flavour?

[neat lintel]

not really

[arctic grove]

in my water?

[bright hill]

ye

[arctic grove]

i mean, usually not

[neat lintel]

water is fantastic as it is

[arctic grove]

lol

true

[bright hill]

i dunno

it gets boring sometimes

[arctic grove]

i usually like cold water

[bright hill]

I mean, I can't live without it

[arctic grove]

that doesnt get boring

[ancient flame]

hi tteppa

[bright hill]

really?

[arctic grove]

yeah

drinking at diff temps makes a ton of difference

[bright hill]

even if you only had water to drink for the rest of your life?

[arctic grove]

definitely not

lol

[bright hill]

how could you say it doesn't get boring?

[arctic grove]

i mean, it doesnt get boring in the short term

[bright hill]

hmm

ok fair

[deep mango]

i would wash out the cup

[cold needle]

same

i do not need milk in my water

at all

[fervent pebble]

why?

it tastes really good

you can even dip oreos in mi-ater

my preferred ratio is 70-30

[neat lintel]

just call it wilk

[fervent pebble]

hmm

[bright hill]

[fervent pebble]

oh, good name

[bright hill]

it barely tastes at all tbh

it's like

a drop or 2 of milk

[fervent pebble]

you need to mix it with some salt

[bright hill]

wat

uhh

[fervent pebble]

jkjk lol

[deep mango]

[fervent pebble]

that sounds awful

i much prefer it with sugar

[arctic grove]

milk with sugar?

[fervent pebble]

*wilk

[bright hill]

did I read that correctly?

[arctic grove]

what

[bright hill]

shyshu

[arctic grove]

idk what u are talking about

[bright hill]

did I see what I saw?

[arctic grove]

IDK OK!

[bright hill]

LMAOO

[arctic grove]

why the fuck do i keep making that typo

[bright hill]

I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU JUST SAID THAT

[arctic grove]

jesus man

[deep mango]

What-

[fervent pebble]

what

?

[bright hill]

it must be autocorrect

[deep mango]

Did someone say a bad word?

[arctic grove]

no

[deep mango]

Shyshu-?

[bright hill]

(getting used to your typing style)

[arctic grove]

i didnt say any fucked up bullshit

[deep mango]

I-

[bright hill]

NoooOOoO

[deep mango]

...

[bright hill]

shyshu would never

[deep mango]

[arctic grove]

im on computer

[bright hill]

muscle memory

even worse

[arctic grove]

wtf darq

[bright hill]

lmaoooo

you just confessed to it too

this keeps getting better lmao

[arctic grove]

i didnt!

[fervent pebble]

milk?

shy

what did

u type

:(

[sleek wing]

^

darq spill the beans

[arctic grove]

i typed nothing ok!

shut up darq

or i swear

i wont read artin with u

[fervent pebble]

darq ill give u blackmail on slurp

[arctic grove]

wtf

[bright hill]

[arctic grove]

dont do this to me!

[bright hill]

holy shit I'm sold

[arctic grove]

im innocent!

[sleek wing]

Tell me or else I will actually find you

[bright hill]

shyshu, I'm sorry I need this

[arctic grove]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[bright hill]

try reading milk

[arctic grove]

[sleek wing]

ok I've read it

[bright hill]

while being horny

[sleek wing]

ok that's already what I knew

[bright hill]

that's all I'm gonna say

[fervent pebble]

SHY

YOU MONSTER

[sleek wing]

darq you ever posted a photo you took with your phone on this server

[arctic grove]

im no moster

wtf

darq hasnt even posted a photo here

he is the real monster

[sleek wing]

he escapes me

[bright hill]

[fervent pebble]

i have before

!!

[bright hill]

I posted screen shots

[fervent pebble]

but i was at a hotel in colorado

[bright hill]

is it a big deal?

[fervent pebble]

metadata

[bright hill]

[arctic grove]

im gonna go sleep now

gn

and im innocent

[bright hill]

good night

[arctic grove]

as innocent as this angel

[fervent pebble]

night, shy

[bright hill]

sotrue, shyshu

sotrue

[arctic grove]

dont sotrue me!

[bright hill]

ok, valley

now

your turn

@fervent pebble

[fervent pebble]

o, righ

t

slurp is short as fuck

!!

[bright hill]

bruhhhh

[deep mango]

everyone knew this

[fervent pebble]

tsk

fine

[deep mango]

swindler

[bright hill]

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT

[deep mango]

oh

good job valley

[bright hill]

@neat frost how bad is it?

[fervent pebble]

tyty

[bright hill]

wait, you're not done yet

I need scale

[deep mango]

darq is being weird

[bright hill]

I'm not being weird

...

you're being weird

[deep mango]

What a sheepish response

[bright hill]

...

I'm not a sheep

[fervent pebble]

he's ~5'3", 4"

[bright hill]

[deep mango]

darq typed stareflush and then deleted

[bright hill]

huh

wat

no

...

you can't prove that.

[deep mango]

Lol

[bright hill]

oh damn

rip

[azure nymph]

5'3

[bright hill]

that's 161 cm (in case you're normal)

[azure nymph]

Sorry I use freedom units

[bright hill]

[neat frost]

did i miss it?

[bright hill]

uhh

slurp

[neat frost]

im 5'3" up your mom

[bright hill]

[neat frost]

yesh?

[bright hill]

I'm mad that that made me laugh

[bright hill]

oh, nvm

you're good

[neat frost]

What

Did you send a selfie?

[bright hill]

wat

no?

[neat frost]

oh

[bright hill]

why

[neat frost]

idk i scrolled through the chat

and i was too lazy to read anything

but i got selfie vibes

[bright hill]

[neat frost]

The amount of warnings in the blue book is annoying

[bright hill]

contemplating whether I should make this weirder

[neat frost]

do yall compile your latex?

yes

Half+ the overfull hboxes are because people used \\

[sleek wing]

wait you're supposed to actually give a fuck about overfull hboxes

[neat frost]

ryc they obv didnt watch your latex workshop

[deep mango]

We don't allow random selfies in these parts slurp

[neat frost]

YOU

[deep mango]

Check yourself

[neat frost]

I have a few words for you wew

[sleek wing]

cope

[neat frost]

but i forget what they are

[bright hill]

you don't?

[neat frost]

Oh yeah

[deep mango]

The overful hboxes are really tough in these notes

[neat frost]

Did you even try compiling your latex wew?

[deep mango]

[bright hill]

I might send a selfie just to spite mods then

[neat frost]

Overfull hboxes are generally very easy to avoid: dont do anything stupid

if youre not doing anything complicated, you shouldnt get an overfull hbox

[sleek wing]

yeah

[neat frost]

Then

[sleek wing]

it compiled

[neat frost]

Did you realize that textul is not a valid macro?

[bright hill]

not doing anything stupid =/= easy

[neat frost]

Did you check the errors?

[bright hill]

tf you on about?

[sleek wing]

if it's not a valid macro why did it compile

I ain't fixing it

[neat frost]

Because TeX is being nice

[sleek wing]

this is why I prefer my white box

type shit into it

tells you you have an error on some line, usually the wrong fucking line

[deep mango]

white box

[sleek wing]

and you have no choice but to fix it

[neat frost]

Compiling can be a very expensive process, so TeX has methods for allowing the user to dynamically fix errors instead of halting compilation

ryc how come you dont have any claimed sections?

how else am i supposed to judge your latex?

[fair mural]

no

[deep mango]

I'm the contractor. You do your job, and I'll do mine.

[neat frost]

and what exactly is your job?

OH!

Did you ever end up getting the chocolate btw?

[deep mango]

NOoooooooooooo

I did not

im gonna go have peanut butter cups though

[sleek wing]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-nae-nae-funny-blunder-chess-gif-20402965

[bronze pelican]

Chess

[bright hill]

every damn game

[neat frost]

WHY

[surreal kindle]

welp

[bronze pelican]

@dense belfry I found a book that does NT with a logic perspective

[static loom]

only illogical number theory for me ty

[dense belfry]

Based

[bronze pelican]

I hit the jackpot

[azure nymph]

Is this just a random bookstore?

[bronze pelican]

This is my university's library

[lime sorrel]

that's all of it?

My local supermarket probably has more math books than that

[bronze pelican]

Why do you think that's all of it?

[odd narwhal]

Tata

[azure nymph]

Ah the math building has a library but the university one wasn't that great last time I checked

[lime sorrel]

cause u posted a picture with 5 books and they all seem crappy

[fervent pebble]

...

[dense belfry]

[fervent pebble]

ngl cmarco

ive seen a lot of really fkin bad takes here

this one might be worse than the capacitator balloon dude

[dense belfry]

Cmarco is trying to pick a fight or something

idk

[lime sorrel]

nah i dont really care

[fervent pebble]

damn we got hikaru fuckin nakamura up in here

[dense belfry]

I am sitting out under the shade in the rain rn

It's kind of nice

[fervent pebble]

oooh nice

rain 🥰

i love rain

[dense belfry]

I'm trying to think about monads lol

And sieves

[lime sorrel]

Today I had a 2hr meeting with a philologist, one of the most important in my country, and he pretty much agreed with my way of thinking about education that most people (anglo-saxon mainly) shit on

[fervent pebble]

k

[dense belfry]

Lol

What is your take?

[bright hill]

day #3 of trying to figure out if cmarco is shitposting or not

[rose dock]

absolutely

[fervent pebble]

why even bother?

[dense belfry]

I think there's a bad take in the us of education as mainly free childcare

[fervent pebble]

i just treat everything everyone says as a shitpost

[dense belfry]

I've heard that one a lot

Yeah that's a good idea

[lime sorrel]

That Scientific (or Mathematics) education is useless when monothematic and only focused on that. Citing his words, "An Engineer or a scientist is only half complete if he has not expanded his mind by learning from the classics of literature and philosophy."

[rose dock]

what does that have to do with anything lmao

[lime sorrel]

And it's danger for society to not pursue the Reinassance concept of learning in all disciplines

[dense belfry]

I think that's literally the pov of every liberal arts college

[fervent pebble]

^

[rose dock]

and many prestigious universities in "anglo-saxon" countries force you to learn those subjects

[lime sorrel]

... isn't UK and USA the place where you drop subjects lmao?

[dense belfry]

I mean it depends on the place in the UK or US

[fervent pebble]

i think you dont understand how college in the us works lol

it's not one monolithic entity

something at one college could be completely different at a college literally a mile away

and that is the case very often

[dense belfry]

Yes and the reason for core classes for a degree is to attempt to give people a well rounded education

[bright hill]

the us isn't anglo saxonic, is it?

[fervent pebble]

no

🍭

[bright hill]

that shit must've been before the renaissance lmao

[lime sorrel]

...

[bronze pelican]

[dense belfry]

Pty they just don't understand object permanence

[fervent pebble]

also can we note the sheer mathematical expertise that must have been required to look at a picture of five books and immediately deduce that they're all bad?

[bright hill]

anglo saxon refers to regions in the uk and wales

not even the whole thing

[dense belfry]

Okay this is just mean now

Let's not

[fervent pebble]

:

[lime sorrel]

That's exactly my point

[rose dock]

US is one of the countries that focuses most on a broad education lmao

[dense belfry]

What

[lime sorrel]

Uhm

Nope

[dense belfry]

How is that your point cmarco

[bronze pelican]

I've been reading Mumfords Tata lectures on Theta II for a while now

[dense belfry]

And again it really varies place to place

[fervent pebble]

i was typing out a whole follow-up insult but emma said it would be mean and i was like "hm" and agreed and deleted it and now i feel like i should have posted it anyways

[rose dock]

lmao

[dense belfry]

There are 50 individual states

[bronze pelican]

Its great to have a physical copy

[dense belfry]

Trying to characterize education in the us as a whole is kind of silly

[lime sorrel]

My point is that I've not been a "mathematical expertise" because I believe in having a broad and properly done education in all subjects to be way more valuable than just studying math and physics all day and winning IMO or something

[rose dock]

lmao

[dense belfry]

What

Pty is doing a PhD

In math

[bronze pelican]

Yes

[bright hill]

I don't think we're being mean tbh

[dense belfry]

It's ptys personal choice to be reading math books

[rose dock]

find one accredited university in the US that does not require significant general education requirements for a bachelors degree in math.

[bronze pelican]

◉w◉

[dense belfry]

I mean that's only because cmarco keeps saying more shit

Which makes you want to post

[bronze pelican]

Idek what were talking about

[dense belfry]

Lol

Is cmarco always like this?

[fervent pebble]

ya

's y i was antagonistic off the bat

[dense belfry]

Okay makes sense

[lime sorrel]

I am normal. Maybe someone never gets what I say

[dense belfry]

Have you tried communicating?

[bright hill]

hmm

tbh, it's really hard to not be mean

[rose dock]

I'm still trying to find out why you think that US universities "shit on" general education requirements

[lime sorrel]

élite education 🙂

[dense belfry]

[bright hill]

wat

[rose dock]

what does "elite" mean?

harvard?

[lime sorrel]

let's not get into this, It's not my point

[hybrid quest]

Thise are ivory league

[dense belfry]

I don't think you have a point cmarco

If you don't think people are understanding you maybe try to clarify

What exactly your point is

[lime sorrel]

My point is that many other countries are lacking of classical knowledge and always trying to be more "specific" into science subjects

all of this to compete with eachother

[dense belfry]

Do you have info about this?

[lime sorrel]

without the classics and philosophy, and literature, we'll go nowhere.

[dense belfry]

Like stats about this or whatever

[fervent pebble]

why not

[dense belfry]

I have heard that sort of thing too in particular universities but idk how well that generalizes

[bright hill]

ok, so you seriously think the educational system can really do a good job of teaching philosophy and literature?

[dense belfry]

Because it's a very general statement

[lime sorrel]

I have the book I'm reading the the latinist and philologist that I met today, but it's written in italian. Can't really recommend this source since it has no translations

[bright hill]

even if what you're claiming is true

[rose dock]

and my point is that I think you lack understanding of other countries if you're citing the US as an example

[dense belfry]

Anyway beyond this what's your point?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_arts_education

This Wikipedia page is pretty interesting

[lime sorrel]

That the future is going to be dangerous if the specialist will keep getting "specialized" knowledge without a reinassance approach of knowledge to their topic. But this mindset must start early on in education. High quality classical literature, philosophy, history , etc. should all be mandatory.

[dense belfry]

Lol

[bright hill]

to put it bluntly, I think he's just mad other countries don't put as much work load on HSers as his country does

[rose dock]

thankfully, at my university (which is in the US, btw), all those are mandatory, and more

[dense belfry]

Oh I see

[rose dock]

so I guess my university isn't "dangerous"

although every other day I get emails that aggravated assaults happen within a few miles of the campus

[lime sorrel]

I'm criticizing my own country if that's the case you wanna hear

Because all these technical schools, they're not always a good thing.

They provide "workers" and "specialist". But not thinkers.

[rose dock]

society needs workers and specialists

[lime sorrel]

Just people to be used for works for the global economy

[dense belfry]

Maybe the solution shouldn't be to mandate education

idk

Seems kind of gross

[rose dock]

even in rome, where the term "liberal arts" really originated from, only free men were able to educate themselves in the "arts", the dirty shit was still done by the working-class

[chilly hull]

maybe not teach math as only computation

[dense belfry]

Yeah the way math is taught is pretty gross

Wow

Not good

[chilly hull]

arithmatic goes on a bit too long imo

[dense belfry]

Like I don't really understand what the goal is

[chilly hull]

and feels like busy work more than anything

[bright hill]

cmarco, you think it's the government's responsibility to make thinkers

[rose dock]

with the level of technology we have now, society still needs workers, and I think it's blatantly disrespectful to disregard their contribution of society

[chilly hull]

algebra is like

"here is the quadratic formula"

[bright hill]

do you realize how problematic that is?

[dense belfry]

Yeah

Do more problems

And less formality

Honestly I think Bourbaki kind of fucked up when they tried to add formalism to math education

[chilly hull]

hs geo is cringe beyond belief

[dense belfry]

My phone keeps delaying sending messages

Honestly I think formalism wasn't that great for math education

As a whole

It's boring af

[lime sorrel]

Also I have my own critiques on some official math exams that exist in the USA but whatever, somebody will get triggered if I mention anything from there.

[rose dock]

then don't mention it

[fervent pebble]

^

[dense belfry]

Cmarco it's not what you say, it's how you say it

You aren't communicating well at all, idk if you can see that

[chilly hull]

precalc is algebra/geometry review with some concepts taught in calc/linalg im p sure

[dense belfry]

If you want to have actual conversations you should think about your communication more

[rose dock]

I mean I agree that math education is kinda fucked, but I also don't think there's an easy way to fix it

[chilly hull]

and what do all of them have in common?

none of them really encourage critical thinking

i learned more about math/critical thinking skills from my physics class than my precalc class

[lime sorrel]

Hard to conversate here, plus not in my native language (seems English monolinguism conquered this world anyways).

[rose dock]

不适因为你的英文不好，是因为你说话的口气

[lime sorrel]

I'm not mandarin chinese native either

[bright hill]

english is the most common second language

native speakers are actually a minority within people that speak english

lmfao

[rose dock]

well there are more native mandarin speakers than native english speakers

[ancient flame]

damn thats actually fucking weird to think about

[lime sorrel]

well, supposedly given the population number

[rose dock]

so worth a shot, since mandarin monolingualism has conquered the world

[lime sorrel]

Mandarin hasn't conquered anything outside China basically

[bright hill]

actually

...

[rose dock]

singapore

[bright hill]

uhh

[lime sorrel]

English is the new French like in the XIX century

[bright hill]

let me just pull the data

[rose dock]

so having a lingua franca is a bad thing?

or would you prefer for the international community to not be able to communicate effectively since there's no lingua franca.

[lime sorrel]

look at this article for example

This is something to think about for the future

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/29/opinion/translator-credit-cover.html

[bright hill]

do you realize how much 20% out of 1 billion is?

[rose dock]

2 million

obviously

[bright hill]

...

[fervent pebble]

cmarco

listen

that article right there

is just

not it

[rose dock]

alright it's getting kind of boring listening to someone complain about shit without any coherent arguments

[chilly hull]

would calc 1 and 2 be

reasonable in 1 month

(i already know like half of calc 1)

[rose dock]

depends if you want to actually retain the knowledge

I did it in a little over a month, but it took me a while more to internalize the content

[chilly hull]

calc 1/2/3 in 2 months

😳

[lime sorrel]

Think of verse Matthew 7:24

"Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock."

[bright hill]

...

[rose dock]

???

are you trying to compare yourself to god?

[bright hill]

[fervent pebble]

the audacity of cmarco comparing himself to me will not go unnoticed, i promise

[bright hill]

touche

omg

[lime sorrel]

No, it's a reminder to listen and to remember that not all truths need to be verifiable and with proofs

[bright hill]

hahahahah

[rose dock]

unfortunately I am not Christian

[fervent pebble]

hi not Christian im valley

[rose dock]

and if I were you, I would be ranting about how Christianity has taken over the world

[lime sorrel]

What's Calc 1?

[bright hill]

so much for pushing the "renaissance thoughts"

[chilly hull]

calc 1 is like

[bright hill]

lmao

[chilly hull]

derivatives/some integrals i think

calc 2 is integrals/series?

[fervent pebble]

okay listen cmarco you just broke down every single facet of merit your argument ever had lmfao

saying that?

in a math discord?

really?

[chilly hull]

my primary goal is to study calc since it's pretty cool from what ive done

secondary goal is to completely obliterate my ap calc class

[bright hill]

cmarco, I'm trying my best to not be mean

[lime sorrel]

Oh, the real limits and derivatives or the awkwardly simplified versions that I find in some places?

[bright hill]

I swear

[rose dock]

what do you mean "real"?

[lime sorrel]

Formal definitions and all theorems regarding them. Not the fake ones. With proofs too

[bright hill]

excuse me

[rose dock]

sounds like you're forcing people to become specialists in math to me

[chilly hull]

they're not fake

[rose dock]

and I don't stand for that cuz I support a LA education

[chilly hull]

just because it isn't a formal definition doesn't mean its fake

[bright hill]

imma head out

I don't like how this is going

[chilly hull]

yeah uh

[bright hill]

good night yall

[chilly hull]

im also outta here

[fervent pebble]

gnnnn

[chilly hull]

to my home i go

(#chill)

[rose dock]

lmao

[lime sorrel]

Goodnight. I hope someone wise will have read my words

There's much to learn from

[bright hill]

...

[fervent pebble]

somehow i doubt anyone here fits your particular definition of wisdom :/

[rose dock]

man's simultaneously experiencing significant cognitive dissonance and has an overinflated ego and sense of self-importance at the same time

[lime sorrel]

My knowledge, I compare it to Socrates' most famous quote

"I know that I do not know"

[neat lintel]

do we have another crank in the chat?

[rose dock]

why should a wise person listen to someone who does not know

[fervent pebble]

it's cmarco

[rose dock]

absolutely

[lime sorrel]

Because the more I open my mind to new and broad topics, the more I realize I do not know

[bright hill]

this keeps getting better

[neat lintel]

congratulations, you have discovered philosophy. are you going to cry about it, or learn and enjoy learning anyways?

[rose dock]

and the more you speak, the more I realize I should not be conversing w/ you

[fervent pebble]

darq

he does this on the reg

this isn't new

look through his msg history lol

[lime sorrel]

Also am I not free to express my concerns on the dangers of early "specialization" trend going on

[rose dock]

oh you're free

you mentioned the US as one of the countries that "shit on" general education though

and I'd like any sort of proof that that's the case

[lime sorrel]

I think you don't really want to hear the truth

[fervent pebble]

cmarco do you know the truth

[neat lintel]

you are actively trying your hardest not to have a conversation cmarco

[rose dock]

find one accredited mathematics bachelors program that does not have a significant general education requirement

[chilly hull]

him

[rose dock]

hi

[rose dock]

on the contrary, I would really love for you to find one such example

[lime sorrel]

The issue is not US Only

[rose dock]

yes, but you said it was present in the US

[chilly hull]

also uh

[rose dock]

so I'd like an example of where it's present

[chilly hull]

thats kinda avoiding the question

[lime sorrel]

The countries that have adopted the "paid school is good, free is horrible on average" model, they're to be found in many countries.

[rose dock]

even "institutes of technology" such as MIT require extensive general education:

[lime sorrel]

A country that still heavily relies on private school, cannot call itself educated for all equally.

[chilly hull]

oh no

[rose dock]

yeah well most graduates in the US come from public schools

[chilly hull]

humanities and arts

(not my cup of tea)

[rose dock]

anyways I'd still like a single example of "concerning specialization" in american higher education

[chilly hull]

i thought i was done with humanities after hs

😔

[frozen merlin]

early specialisation is a thing (an issue, if you want) in the uk, but not the us afaik

can you give an example

[rose dock]

which over the course of the last half-hour, you have not managed to find

[lime sorrel]

I would be rather happing in knowing how an average Humanities Arts & Social science syllabus and tests look like

Are we even talking about standardized tests like always

[rotund estuary]

Whatcha guys arguing about

Can i join

[chilly hull]

dont

[rose dock]

no

[rose dock]

the burden of proof is on you to show that the US "shits on" general education, since you suggested that to be the case

now, if you had a general education, including that in philosophy, you would know that

[fervent pebble]

no point, there's an honest-to-god crank here

[chilly hull]

i am

sad that i still have to deal with humanities

[rose dock]

and I'd expect one that has received a decent liberal arts education to make more coherent and sensical arguments

[lime sorrel]

I surely can, small is my will to do it when I'm not taken seriously

[frozen merlin]

I think this started as a criticism of cmarco's own country (not the us) and one false claim that the us suffers from the same problem

[rose dock]

not really, he started it off by saying "most people" and especially anglo-saxons.

[lime sorrel]

Yes, today I was talking about my own country when I met with the latinist. And the book I'm reading is about Italy too

But the main concern is that this type of dangerous culture seems to be inherited from those places

[azure nymph]

Here you go Marco

Those are all the required courses for any degree at my public state university

You pick and choose which ones you want to take from the list

[frozen merlin]

that's crazy to me (in a good way)

I've done nothing but maths/physics since I turned 16

but would've been nice to take some liberal arts type stuff

[chilly hull]

math/physics is my cup of tea

but i also like uhh

idk

[rose dock]

at my public state university, to get a degree in any subject in my college, you need the following requirements:

• Entry-level Writing
• American History and American Institutions
• American Cultures
• Reading and Composition
• Quantitative Reasoning
• Foreign Language
• Arts & Literature
• Biological Sciences
• Historical Studies
• International Studies
• Philosophy and Values
• Physical Science
• Social and Behavioral Sciences

[lime sorrel]

How many hours would one of those individual courses be? Like WW1 History for example

[rose dock]

and each course would take approximately 12-16 hours of total time (including lecture, homework, discussion, and labs) a week for a semester

so 240-320 hours for each requirement

[frozen merlin]

wtf

[azure nymph]

Recommended 2-3 hours outside of class for every credit hour (mileage may vary on that) and you'll typically spend 1 hour a day 2 days a week in a lecture for that course for 16 weeks

[rose dock]

some of the requirements require 2 courses

[azure nymph]

Some courses have 3 or 4 days of in person class though

[rose dock]

some of the requirements can be overlapped or satisfied ahead of time

[azure nymph]

Like calculus 1 has 3 days of lecture 1 day of recitation every week

[rose dock]

only Entry-Level Writing, American History, Institutions, Reading and Composition, Quantitative Reasoning, and Foreign Language can be satisfied ahead of time, and reading and composition is extremely hard to satisfy ahead of time.

[fervent pebble]

note that that's for that specific college

as discussed earlier different colleges are different

and any sweeper generalizations made should be very carefully vetted

[azure nymph]

Yes though having friends at another college in this state the requirements are very similar

[chilly hull]

man

i am sad that i still have to

[lime sorrel]

I can't criticize the number of hours, some are very less, some are more.
What I find odd is the lack of "continuity" withing the program requirements

[chilly hull]

deal with english

(i hate english)

[fervent pebble]

also notice that cmarco has managed to avoid producing any evidence of the supposed lack of general knowledge required in universities

very interesting how that happened

[chilly hull]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/970493145525678152/972830469215383582/ezgif.com-gif-maker-5.gif

[rose dock]

why should there be continuity if the goal is to provide a liberal arts education where one has a broad education involving a multitude of different subjects

[lime sorrel]

I mean, take many w. european countries as example. I'll speak for mine but I know France works similarly

History as a subject, requires a continuity within 5 years.

[azure nymph]

Well yeah I did history from 1st grad to 12th grade before college lol

[rose dock]

^

[lime sorrel]

So you've covered from ancient history to like late 1900

[azure nymph]

Basically 6 years old - 18 years old you take core courses every year (in a lot places though private schools and states may have some variance) typically it's English, Math, Science, History for those years every year

[rose dock]

if you're anti-specialist, why should we have to comprehensively cover that long stretch of history

because that seems like specialization in history

[azure nymph]

Yes you can even do if you're advanced student at my old highschool AP (college leve) human geography then Ap World History then AP US History (goes up to Modern day somewhat such as like early 2000s) then AP Government and Politics

[lime sorrel]

I don't think you wake up one day and decide to study World War 2 as if nothing happened before.

[leaden torrent]

most canadian provinces have the curriculum go "mathematics/science/english/french/social studies [i.e. history and geography]/gym" up until high school