serious-discussion

[ancient flame]

I love love love being awake at night

[errant ridge]

I need at least 35 hours of sleep everyday

in fact I'm sleeping rn

and I'm on discord using my neuralink chip in my hippocampus

[neat lintel]

Which coordinate system are you using? Cuz time is relative
Because mine has max limit of 24 hours a day

[errant ridge]

an infinite dimensional coordinate system

[neat lintel]

Don't tell me you're using an affine Lie algebra

[errant ridge]

yesss I am

so

[neat lintel]

Bro come back to Euclidean Space now

[errant ridge]

what exactly is a lie algebra

[neat lintel]

Uhhh

[errant ridge]

I know it has something to do with the lie bracket

but

I don't actually understand what the lie bracket is

[neat lintel]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie_algebra

Lazy to explain sorry

Affine Lie Algebra is an infinite Lie Algebra

[errant ridge]

hm okay so it's just a vector space together with a lie bracket?

the lie bracket is an alternating multilinear map?

[neat lintel]

Basically a Lie Bracket is an alternating bilinear map from V×V to V such that it satisfies the Jacobi Identity

By "alternating bilinear"

It basically means

[errant ridge]

it means this?

which makes sense I guess

[neat lintel]

If $x_i = x_{i+1}, f(x_i,x_{i+1}) = 0$ or if $x_i$ and $x_j$ are linearly dependent, then $f(x_i,x_j) = 0$

Yeah

[fathom swallow]

Pencil/Idris

[errant ridge]

I'm gonna revisit this tomorrow

and you better be there pencil or else....

lol jk

[neat lintel]

I will try to lol

Cya

[arctic grove]

[ancient flame]

my psych teacher was awesome

she had ways of helping us remember the parts of the brain

like hippocampus

[neat lintel]

Hypothalamus

[ancient flame]

she's like "you'll definitely remember if you saw a hippo on campus"

so for tuat

she had this story

Hal and Amos

(for thalamus)

[neat lintel]

Ohh

[ancient flame]

and they had this like

switchboard

sensory switchboard

I forget the difference between thalamus and hypothalamus

f

[neat lintel]

Hypothalamus controls pituitary kinda

Thalamus is different

[ancient flame]

oh ok

they just regulate different things

[neat lintel]

Yes

[ancient flame]

for amygdala

she had this wig

with a dollar bill in it

it was a wig for a scary mask

and so

a-wig-dolla

and you would remember the scary mask

[neat lintel]

That's actually good

[ancient flame]

so fear

yeah lmao

stupid but good

[neat lintel]

Like concepts like these can easily lock in the brain

In this manner

[ancient flame]

yeah

she had things all over the room

to constantly remind us of what things mean

she had this mannequin that she would put psychology related shirts on

based on the topic for that day

and she would also wear a psychology related shirt

lmao

[neat lintel]

lol

[ancient flame]

she was the goat

absolute weirdo but thats expected of a psychology teacher

[neat lintel]

Teachers like these are awesome and deserve more recognition

[ancient flame]

yes

definitely

and then there was my accounting teacher

he sucked ass

[neat lintel]

lol

[ancient flame]

like all he did was make us do general ledgers all day

and then he got fired halfway through the year

[neat lintel]

Damn

[ancient flame]

so we had no teacher for a couple months

then we got a new one who sucked ass

so all around a total shitshow

[neat lintel]

oof

[ancient flame]

im happy I had a good math teacher for the last 2 years

well

decent

she helped us remember calc and pass the ap exam

but not much solid intuition

not much of the why

just the what

[neat lintel]

I see

[ancient flame]

but we all remembered the what very well

so idk

I had some classmates who would ask me for help and I would explain the why to them

[neat lintel]

Well most teachers would usually teach the what to help us pass in exams

Explaining the why would take time for some students to understand

[ancient flame]

im actually remaking my teacher's worksheets in latex since a bunch of them were handwritten

[neat lintel]

Ooh

[ancient flame]

exactly, unfortunately there isn't much extra time for that so that sucks

[neat lintel]

Indeed

[errant ridge]

@deep mango so does free surface flow describe literally everything about how a liquid flows? like is it the most general thing?

[deep mango]

Umm

Not really because you lose track of what's happening inside the liquid

since you just pay attention to where the surface is

but you could consider a big system of equations to track that

i guess

[errant ridge]

really? but I thought you could have the vector field on the manifold to keep track of that?

[errant ridge]

so you can but it would get too complicated?

[deep mango]

i don't really know enough to say how complicated it gets

or what you can say

i don't want to pull claims out of my ass

[errant ridge]

Lol fair enough

so that field just studies what happens to fluid at the boundary and doesn't care about what happens inside?

[deep mango]

Yeah

cause the goal is to understand things like wave propagation

[errant ridge]

do these pure mathematicians also sometimes work with physicists?

[deep mango]

and energy transfer between fluids at a boundary

[errant ridge]

oohh so that also studied different fluid interacting at the boundary?

[deep mango]

yes, to a degree. i think it would be more accurate to say that there are people who are kind of half-mathematician half-physicist

[deep mango]

yeah

well

remember that gasses are fluids

[errant ridge]

lol yeah

[deep mango]

so we were already talking about that

but yes, you can also study like oil and water or something

[errant ridge]

so like waves on a ocean, how they're caused by winds and stuff?

[deep mango]

yep

[arctic grove]

i see you not studying what you are supposed to

[errant ridge]

something that I've noticed is that rigid materials like even metals act like fluids at really high velocities, like an armor piercing bullet striking a solid metal plate, like in simulations of these things, they really behave like fluids and deform like fluids

is there a field that studies that ryc?

[deep mango]

Oh?

Wow

[errant ridge]

exposed

[deep mango]

I've been hoodwinked

This is why you DMd huh?

[errant ridge]

[deep mango]

Yeah

I don't really know anything about that though

that's probably more in the vein of solid mechanics

[arctic grove]

?

[deep mango]

Neamesis has been talking to me about fluid dynamics for an hour

We moved here cause I want to make sure other people can learn if they want

[arctic grove]

whaaaaaa

neam!

[errant ridge]

he's lying

[deep mango]

Shyshu knows I never lie

[errant ridge]

[arctic grove]

hmmmm

[errant ridge]

Lmaooo

[arctic grove]

now that you say that

[errant ridge]

[arctic grove]

i can see u smiling

[deep mango]

Wha

[arctic grove]

remember ryc

[deep mango]

No!

[arctic grove]

im in ur walls

[deep mango]

i'm not

i'm not smiling

I mean

[errant ridge]

he's a bird look at him! ofc he would lie

[deep mango]

I never lie, so I will tell you the truth

I am smiling yes

[errant ridge]

then this must've been a lie

[deep mango]

But I only started smiling after you said "hmmmmm"

[arctic grove]

anyways neam

stop

doing

fun

stuff

[errant ridge]

[arctic grove]

!!!!

[errant ridge]

jee be like

[deep mango]

Soon it will be over

[arctic grove]

in like

[errant ridge]

[arctic grove]

20 days

[deep mango]

Oh

[arctic grove]

we will be free

just

wait till then neam

[deep mango]

I thought it was like a week

[arctic grove]

2 exams

[deep mango]

Oh yeah whatever

[errant ridge]

but I wanna study so much fun stuff like quantum, diff geo, real anal

[deep mango]

I'm going to ping azeem

[errant ridge]

[deep mango]

When JEE happens

[errant ridge]

jee is the worst

[deep mango]

He will be here to congratulate u all

[errant ridge]

who's azeem?

[arctic grove]

lmao

a jee lover

[errant ridge]

Lmaoo

[deep mango]

future topper

[arctic grove]

he isnt even in india

he is from the uk

lol

[errant ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-priest-blasphemy-gif-21064011

[deep mango]

WHAT

wait

what!?

[arctic grove]

Lmfao

yeah

[deep mango]

omfg

that's literally so funny

[errant ridge]

that's extra heresy

[arctic grove]

[errant ridge]

time to cancel azeem

[arctic grove]

dont do that

he is a fine gentleman

[deep mango]

hahahhahaa

omg

u got rekt

[errant ridge]

Oof

[arctic grove]

what

[errant ridge]

you got rekt by a 9th grader shyshu

[deep mango]

wow to think i've been trying for a year to roast shyshu and never succeeded

[errant ridge]

Lmao

[arctic grove]

i wasnt roasted what

uni admissions havent even started yet!

[errant ridge]

you have 😔

[deep mango]

😔

[errant ridge]

doesn't matter

[arctic grove]

oh fuck u two

stop pulling my leg

[errant ridge]

[arctic grove]

[errant ridge]

trolling complete

[arctic grove]

roode

and to think i helped u

[deep mango]

Edgeworth sobbing is pretty funny

[arctic grove]

ikr

[bright hill]

@arctic grove when will you be done with exams again?

[arctic grove]

depends

by july i will be done surely

[bright hill]

Start of July?

[arctic grove]

pretty much

[bright hill]

Oh

That's not that bad

Only 2 weeks left

(That wasn't a typo, was it? )

[arctic grove]

not at all

lol

unless i am in need to give jee again

which will also happen in late july

[errant ridge]

lucky you

[errant ridge]

august 3

[neat lintel]

is entrance exam for college a common thing

I didn’t recall taking one

[bright hill]

Differs by country

[neat lintel]

what happens if u fail

no college

wait does sat counts as entrance exams

[leaden skiff]

you go to a worse college

[bright hill]

No

[neat lintel]

Ninja i see thanks but please don’t ping me

Also you too darq

[bright hill]

Np

[fading zealot]

Spot the mistake.

I'm guessing that whoever made the mistake confused 1/(2W) with (1W)/2 and just simplified it to W/2

[open aspen]

for those of you who have seen me struggle with chapter 8 of mapping class groups, I gave the talk today

went really well!

[grizzled grove]

Wow congrats. What is your research interests

[open aspen]

GGT, hyperbolic geometry, maybe some low dimensional topology, but I'm not to sure on that last one, don't have enough background to really engage yet

[vast surge]

Oh sweet. I've heard interesting things about all three topics.

[grizzled grove]

Oh I have no knowledge about all that. I do have wish to know what is the purpose of algebraic topology etc and these mapping class groups

[bronze pelican]

GGT

More like GGGGGGGT

[open aspen]

geoemtric group group group group group group theoery?

[open aspen]

You can check out the end of the book, or read the preamble. Lots of applications to many different areas

The purpose of algebraic topology in general though? I mean, its everywhere

Maybe not much in number theory?

[grizzled grove]

Yeah but I heard some where it has also something to do with integration

[open aspen]

which one?

[grizzled grove]

Algebraic topology

[open aspen]

Oh yeah, I mean you use algebraic topology plenty in differential topology

[grizzled grove]

When hypergeometric functions etc come or iterated integrals on simplicial complex

[open aspen]

Yeah I mean simplicial complices are objects in algebraic topology

So if you're doing anything with them, you're probably using AT (maybe in the background)

[grizzled grove]

Yeah that's why I need to learn all that so that I can do integrations

[open aspen]

people here hate hatcher, so be prepared for that if you ask for recs lol

[grizzled grove]

I don't hate any book. I just hate myself if I don't understand anything. All I need is a book with small baby questions to understand step by step

But I come here to ask trivial questions

[vast surge]

People here have been recommending me hatcher non-stop

[grizzled grove]

For motivation

[open aspen]

the messages you and I read must tile the channel

[vast surge]

It's also largely people in vc now that I think about it

[open aspen]

oh, yeah I dont use vc

[vast surge]

vc here can be a very mixed bag. Sometimes it's really good - I've read entire textbooks on vc with other people here - and other times it's a bunch of idiot highschool students bullying a grad student into teaching them trig.

[open aspen]

I feel like everyone in this server just has the biggest brain, so I'd be lost in VC lol

[vast surge]

I feel like everyone thinks that. In my experience we don't notice the flaws of others, the gaps in other people's knowledge, in the same way as we do our own.

[grizzled grove]

Wow...entire textbook. I wish to be part of such cool textbook groups

[vast surge]

You can be the identity element

[dense belfry]

Everyone in this server is good at projecting they have the biggest brain

[vast surge]

I'm not. I'm an idiot and I wear it on my sleeve.

[dense belfry]

Nice

[grizzled grove]

Everyday my brain is becoming small er and smaller because I keep forgetting basics

[dense belfry]

Same

I keep abstracting

Until I am pure intuition

It feels good tbh

I love the vibes

Should I go to bar tonight?

I think I can probably dance with cute girls if I do

[grizzled grove]

I know what abstraction means...but idk what is intution

[open aspen]

Would make sense. Imposter syndrome for grad students is a tale as old as grad students

[vast surge]

If you're good at dancing. Otherwise, take dancing lessons first.

[dense belfry]

Lol

[vast surge]

I'm not even a grad student so I'm especially stupider than most people here

[dense belfry]

I'm still getting the hang of dancing I guess

Apparently that's bad advice abelian grapes

Btw

Most people don't take dancing lessons

And they just vibe

[vast surge]

I know, I was intentionally giving bad advice

It's what I do

[dense belfry]

Oh thanks then

[open aspen]

more like sour grapes

ha

[dense belfry]

Nice

[open aspen]

thanks emma

[vast surge]

Uh, the real advice is if you want to dance, you only need to get down one or two moves. If you can do that, just do those moves a bunch and people will be impressed.

[vast surge]

What's yellow, sour and equivalent to the axiom of choice? My other username, Zorn's lemon

[dense belfry]

Oh when I danced last week I guess I was just being really close to the person and like being there with her

It was kind of hot

idk

I have butterflies now thinking about it

She was reacting to my movements

Her hair was in my face and it smelled pretty nice

I think I should probably not horny post in discussion

Oops

[grizzled grove]

I only dance alone

[vast surge]

Oo-ooh Emma has a crush, Emma has a crush (read this in that middleschool mocking voice)

[dense belfry]

Yeah I'm still texting with this girl

She lives in Texas though

[grizzled grove]

Like shuffle dance or c walk etc. But I wish I could do popping

[dense belfry]

We've been texting like every day

Actually

[vast surge]

Is there anything in #rules against horny-posting in discussion? Probably, I don't actually know the rules, but if there isn't, you're fine. If there is, I'll report you to the mods.

[dense belfry]

https://c.tenor.com/5c6Hn4ZaZAcAAAAM/mods-discord-mod.gif

Lol

I didn't really horny post to a big extent

[lament edge]

How do you even dance? I hardly passed that in PE

[dense belfry]

I can actually visit this girl btw

I was invited to stay at a different friend in Austin

For a week

[vast surge]

Because covid's over?

[dense belfry]

And then Houston is a three hour greyhound from there

So I can visit him and then visit her afterwards

[vast surge]

I taught myself the twist when I was 16 by watching that one scene in Mad Men where Peggy and Pete are doing the twist and I've been coasting on that.

[dense belfry]

Idk if I would stay by her or get an airbnb though

Probably an Airbnb wouldn't be too expensive

But probably I should talk to her a while more before visiting

idk

We've only known each other a week now

Anyway I will still dance with other girls

Because that's okay

[vast surge]

So, in perfect rom-com fashion, it's the perfect time to drop everything, move across the country and stalk her until she falls in love!

[dense belfry]

Lol

[vast surge]

(again, I only give bad advice)

[dense belfry]

Thanks

I actually helped her out of a similar situation surprisingly, which is how we met

She was visiting someone she met online

And the person had kind of misportrayed themselves

[cursive mist]

Anyone great here in chemistry?hiyaaa

Nvm

[dense belfry]

And I had to talk her through the situation

[cursive mist]

Anyone who just finished the math 30-1 diploma?

[dense belfry]

So it's a bit of a strange situation

But obviously because of that it's also pretty hot ngl

[vast surge]

None of us do math, because math is for nerds.

[dense belfry]

I only do meme math

[cursive mist]

Hahahahhaha

[dense belfry]

Lol

Awfully quick to agree with me there

[vast surge]

I mean it's not like I do real math

I do whatever's necessary to come up with math puns and that's it

[grizzled grove]

Strange situation is considered more favourable than non strange situation. Why?

[open aspen]

Incredibly based

[dense belfry]

What do you mean?

It's just hotter because of the urgency of the situation

[open aspen]

By publishers? Because its more interesting

[dense belfry]

And it's exciting

[grizzled grove]

But it is also the reason of haste decisions

[dense belfry]

I mean I am 24

I want to do stupid shit

And feel things

[vast surge]

Dude we're not telling Emma to make good decisions fuck that good decisions are for goddamn loser nerds

[dense belfry]

I have made a lot of good decisions in my life

Time for some bad ones

[vast surge]

Then you're a goddamn loser nerd

[dense belfry]

Lol

[lament edge]

dont do drugs

[dense belfry]

I am a chad

[vast surge]

Don't do boring drugs

[grizzled grove]

Nerds are not loser. I think good decisions with wisdom bring peace

[lament edge]

incredibly based

[dense belfry]

You're missing what we're saying SSK

[vast surge]

We're saying WIS and INT should be our dump stats and to max out CHA

[grizzled grove]

I would never do drugs

[vast surge]

NEERD!

[dense belfry]

Lol

[vast surge]

SSK we're just shooting the shit by the way

[grizzled grove]

Oh you mean you all are also against drugs. Right

[dense belfry]

Lmao

[vast surge]

I mean I'm not actually against drugs, but I won't push them on anyone

[dense belfry]

Yeah exactly

Adults making adult decisions

[azure nymph]

Bad decisions are the spice of life

[dense belfry]

On TikTok they called this the fleabag era I think

Or maybe that's something else

idk tbh

[grizzled grove]

Wrong. Spice of life is to be able to do good as much as possible.

[dense belfry]

Lol

[bleak wigeon]

they're only decisions until they become bad winkwink

[dense belfry]

Nice

[vast surge]

Let me guess, you're an ascetic?

[grizzled grove]

I think you guys are joking because if you were guys who like bad things then you wouldn't be here.

[vast surge]

The only thing worth doing in life is finding momentary distractions from the inevitability of death.

[dense belfry]

What does that mean SSK

When we say bad things

[vast surge]

That's why I study math

[grizzled grove]

Not really. I like spirituality

[dense belfry]

We don't mean we're hurting people

[azure nymph]

I like math because it's interesting

[vast surge]

Well, you're not. Don't ask what happened to the antarctic expedition I was on.

[dense belfry]

It's about doing things that aren't necessarily responsible or smart

[azure nymph]

Nothing more nothing less and I'd like to do something interesting instead of something boring

[dense belfry]

Lmao

[wet notch]

I'm definitely not eavesdropping, don't mind me

[dense belfry]

Oh you have to see a random insta dm I got from my undergrad best friend like a year ago

[grizzled grove]

We are not born just not to hurt people. We are born to bring peace on earth. We have brain we can bring wisdom and peace

[vast surge]

Exactly! It's something fun to do to pass the time, and then we just fucking die and are forgotten about and everyone we've ever known and loved also dies, so we might as well just do math because it's fun!

[neat lintel]

?

[bleak wigeon]

oh

[wet notch]

I think you might be missing a lot of the verbal irony in this conversation

[azure nymph]

Exactly! I didn't really have much passion before trying to learn more about math just things I enjoyed doing but since I found math I'll do that

[vast surge]

Honestly math majors in general

[azure nymph]

I wish everyone could just enjoy their passions

[vast surge]

I'm not being ironic at all

[azure nymph]

It would make the world a little better

[dense belfry]

I work pretty hard to do good ssk

You literally can't judge from what we said

Our actions in general

I don't know why you're making this weird point

[azure nymph]

I probably do some bad things in SSK's eyes but they're fine in mine since they're not hurting anyone

[grizzled grove]

I never judged anyone. I was told by someone that they want to do bad things. I just said it must be joke

[azure nymph]

Well would you consider drinking to be a bad thing?

[dense belfry]

We said bad decisions

[vast surge]

We said Emma should make bad decisions, then you were being way too serious

[grizzled grove]

Of course you all are good people

[dense belfry]

Not bad things

They are a very different connotation

[vast surge]

Well I'm not, and I reject the notion of "good people" and "bad people"

[azure nymph]

I wouldn't really say I'm a good person just a person lol

[dense belfry]

Yeah I agree with that too

Most of the evil in my life has been done by people who believed they were fundamentally doing good

[vast surge]

I think people do good things and bad things, but I think the idea of "good people" has its downsides. The whole "he didn't mean to do that, he thought she was into it, he's a good kid with a bright future!" line of argumentation, for instance

[azure nymph]

I think there are truly evil people just few and far between

[vast surge]

Yeah and Emma's childhood from what I've heard.

[dense belfry]

Lol

[grizzled grove]

Hey I am not judging anyone. I am sorry. I just was saying that decisions made in hurry could be bad and drugs are bad. If anyone is doing drugs they shouldn't do. That's all.

[azure nymph]

Is this AoT or something

[dense belfry]

What do you mean by drugs SSK

Please clarify

[vast surge]

Do drugs safely and in a controlled manner.

And don't mix drugs if you don't know what the consequences will be

[bleak wigeon]

kiritsugu moment

[dense belfry]

Because also blanket saying "drugs bad" is kind of gross tbh

[azure nymph]

Yes if you do certain types of drugs do them with a sober friend to help you

[vast surge]

But saying "don't do drugs at all ever" kind of stigmatizes and marginalizes drug users

[dense belfry]

I mean that sort of attitude also shuts down discussion

[grizzled grove]

Consuming something to change your mental state to happiness and avoid natural way of becoming happy by learning or helping people.

[vast surge]

I've heard they can be weird to do with a sober person. Like, if you're on LSD and someone's sober, you'll get weird vibes from the sober person.

[vast surge]

So no antidepressants?

[bleak wigeon]

oh yikes

[dense belfry]

I feel much more capable of connecting to people while high

[azure nymph]

I've have done this many a times and I will say, I knew the person pretty well so I never got bad vibes but, it is weird because time is moving so differently for the two of you it's kind of surreal

[grizzled grove]

Only if the person has lost the ability to function properly.

[azure nymph]

I did get bad vibes from a dog

[dense belfry]

It makes a lot of inhibitions go away

[azure nymph]

And outside cause it was dark and scary

[dense belfry]

idk I think the all or nothing pov you have is probably a bit uninformed ssk

[vast surge]

Huh. Yeah, don't do drugs with people you don't trust or know well. I think that was my mistake the other day.

[dense belfry]

Oh that's rough abelian grapes

[azure nymph]

Oh yeah I never do mind altering substances with people I don't know or like I did it once and it sucked very bad

[dense belfry]

I need a shortening of your name

[wet notch]

This is turn requires a definition of proper functioning

[dense belfry]

Hmm

[desert maple]

How is Coursera as a resource?

[azure nymph]

I'll like do soft drugs with them

[grizzled grove]

Our first priority is to be able to be happy without consuming any chemicals.

[vast surge]

Like it was just a sativa so it wasn't that bad but it was a bit and I felt like throwing up

[azure nymph]

Pretty good same with edx it'll depend on whose courses you use MIT OCW is also good

[wet notch]

Who's included in "Our"?

[azure nymph]

Man SSK you'd hate Erdos

[grizzled grove]

And taking drugs to be happy is not good because you may permanently lose the ability to be cheerful without drugs

[dense belfry]

Like I think smoking a lot of weed recently has helped me process a lot of my transition which has been really good overall

[azure nymph]

That guy couldn't even do math without drugs

[desert maple]

Yeah. I’m deciding between using Brilliant and Coursera as resources bc they’re both subscription based

[azure nymph]

I wouldn't pay for anything unless you really want/need the cert

[bleak wigeon]

nice emma

[vast surge]

You can lose the ability to be happy without drugs without even doing drugs to begin with. Drugs don't really cause depression.

[chilly coral]

I can't be happy without producing dopamine/serotonin 😔

[vast surge]

I mean, SSK, do you drink coffee or alcohol, or smoke or vape cigarrettes or cannibis? They're not that different than other drugs if used properly and safely.

[grizzled grove]

Erdos got happiness out of mathematics mainly. He used pills to stay alert. I do not think it is good thing to do. Many mathemaricians do good math without pills.

[desert maple]

Well, I’m going to spend the next 6 years in school. Going for Masters degree

[dense belfry]

I take Adderall to be able to function

[grizzled grove]

I dont

[dense belfry]

Should I not be doing that?

[azure nymph]

I wouldn't worry about paying for courses on coursera then just do the free ones

Any specific course Nitro?

[vast surge]

I mean, kudos to you for the intellectual consistency, I suppose.

[grizzled grove]

I mean our as we humans. Like our first priority should be to bring peace on earth.

[azure nymph]

Yes

[chilly coral]

My first priority is to survive

[dense belfry]

I don't think you should have takeaways from stories about erdos btw

Like he's a folk hero

[vast surge]

I've heard that anecdote a bunch but I don't know if it's true

[azure nymph]

Erdos was a character I'll say that

[wet notch]

"Should" is a personal judgement, and doesn't apply to all people

[dense belfry]

Usually anecdotes about him are pushing a certain narrative about math

[grizzled grove]

Yes agreed. First priority is to end malnutrition on earth. Then provide home. Then love and care.

[azure nymph]

"Erdős's friends worried about his drug use, and in 1979 Graham bet Erdős $500 that he
couldn't stop taking amphetamines for a month. Erdős accepted, and went cold turkey for
a complete month. Erdős's comment at the end of the month was "You've showed me I'm
not an addict. But I didn't get any work done. I'd get up in the morning and stare at a
blank piece of paper. I'd have no ideas, just like an ordinary person. You've set
mathematics back a month." He then immediately started taking amphetamines again. "

[dense belfry]

idk erdos is a bit weird

[azure nymph]

https://www.untruth.org/~josh/math/Paul Erd�s bio-rev2.pdf

[vast surge]

What, that mathematicians are all degenerates? They only need to come to this server to see proof of that.

[dense belfry]

Lol

Yeah about that sort of thing, and slavish devotion being a good trait I guess

idk I have pretty complicated feelings about erdos's rep

[alpine kindle]

he was like
a massive misogynist

right

[dense belfry]

Because a lot of intellectual elitism

[vast surge]

I mean he was a man in the 20th century

[grizzled grove]

Should is not always a personal judgement

[alpine kindle]

20th century is not an excuse

[dense belfry]

I don't really know about him and misogyny tbh, I probably should

Yeah the way people use history as an excuse is weird af

[alpine kindle]

like

[vast surge]

No, I was citing it as evidence that he was probably misogynistic

[dense belfry]

Despite your environment sexism is a choice

Oh okay

[alpine kindle]

ah

yeah

[grizzled grove]

What is misogyny?

[dense belfry]

[alpine kindle]

sexism against women

[vast surge]

Yeah sorry I see how it could come off as excusing it. No, I was just saying that given the era he lived in, I'd think it more likely he'd be problematic than not.

[alpine kindle]

still

[grizzled grove]

Ok. Sorry to hear that. I feel sad when I hear that genius people are doing bad things.

[alpine kindle]

20th century is not that long ago

[dense belfry]

Yeah it's crazy

[vast surge]

I know. It's really super recent

[dense belfry]

How recent

[alpine kindle]

what do you mean by "genius people" though

[vast surge]

My grandparents lived through most of it and some of them are still alive

[dense belfry]

Lol

Smh yohan

[grizzled grove]

Like Erdos etc.

[dense belfry]

I hate that

[vast surge]

Oh my god Emma you're from the 20th century, right?

[dense belfry]

[deep mango]

[vast surge]

Are you the mole, the infiltrator from the past?

[deep mango]

What's wrong with being a 90's kid

[dense belfry]

Ryc we are hanging out tomorrow

Right?

Or was it a different day

[vast surge]

Being born in the 20th century

[deep mango]

I thought it was monday

I should check

[dense belfry]

Oh okay

[azure nymph]

21st century mathematicians rise up

[dense belfry]

Lol idk

[vast surge]

Also all the "only 90s kids will remember" bullshit

[dense belfry]

I'm so out of it

[deep mango]

Monday June 20th

That's okay

[alpine kindle]

like I'm just wondering
how are you defining that

[grizzled grove]

Every generation is unique in their own way

[chilly coral]

Waiting for the "only 10s kids will remember"

[fervent pebble]

damn there're old ppl here?

[vast surge]

Today is Friday

[fervent pebble]

kind of an ick ngl

[deep mango]

Tomorrow is today for you

[fervent pebble]

totally not bussin

[deep mango]

and that's saturday

[grizzled grove]

People who are inspiring lot of scientists but end up doing bad things too

[alpine kindle]

is it based on volume of work, perceived significance of work?

[vast surge]

I mean, Today is Friday where I am. Today is Saturday in, like, Singapore.

[deep mango]

You'd best be talking about someone else

[fervent pebble]

ryc
do you buss

[deep mango]

Do I... what?

[alpine kindle]

discuss?
discussy?

[fervent pebble]

hmm so guess that's a no

[deep mango]

I don't know what that means

I've heard it

[vast surge]

Ryc

Do

you

buss?

[deep mango]

I know bussy, and i know bus

I know bust a nut

Uhhh

[fervent pebble]

damn ryc rly ain't bussin

[vast surge]

I'll be honest I don't know what it means either

[fervent pebble]

@vast surge do you buss

[deep mango]

Considerable delay

[fervent pebble]

well that was a quick answer

wow i guess all u boomers rly dont buss huh

[vast surge]

I'm going to assume that I do, however, if it's the thing the cool kids are doing

[deep mango]

Alright let's play 20 questions

[vast surge]

And I don't if it's something stupid

[deep mango]

Is bussin lewd?

[grizzled grove]

What's buss

[fervent pebble]

no

[grizzled grove]

Bussin

[bleak wigeon]

bussin on god frfr

[fervent pebble]

not lewd

[deep mango]

valley i think you made this up

ok

[fervent pebble]

buss ong frfr

[deep mango]

is it a synonym for grind?

[bleak wigeon]

so true

[fervent pebble]

no

[vast surge]

Is it a dance move?

[deep mango]

hmmm

[bronze pelican]

Ryc get your mind out of the gutter

[deep mango]

come on it looks like bussy!

[fervent pebble]

no

[fervent pebble]

not bussin 👎

[stark charm]

buss it open

[vast surge]

This is #serious-discussion, it's for hornyposting. Apparently.

[deep mango]

I bet jesse would know

[vast surge]

Is it larger than a breadbox?

[fervent pebble]

hmm

depends

[deep mango]

i'm in a meeting with someone irl rn so i don't want to use urban dictionary

[stark charm]

if ur bussin it down

[chilly coral]

But you're fine talking about bussy huh

[deep mango]

Thank you inasmuch

[fervent pebble]

ask them if they're bussin

[deep mango]

I don't trust valley

Especially not after that

[vast surge]

Valley do you buss?

[wet notch]

"Bussin" is pronounced more like "bus" than like "bussy", if that helps at all. I'm not sure exactly what it means, but it's a verb

[deep mango]

I'm not talking about it out loud!

[wicked ore]

true

[fervent pebble]

ig you could use bussin in a lewd context

but like

ehhhhh

[deep mango]

Also she definitely would not know what this means either

[fervent pebble]

it's not the most common use

[chilly coral]

Are you gonna use urban dictionary out loud?

[vast surge]

@fervent pebble
Do you buss?

[fervent pebble]

yes

iykwim

[deep mango]

no but the urban dictionary font is bigger

[bleak wigeon]

bussin is more like an adjective tbh

[fervent pebble]

^

[vast surge]

Is it cool to buss?

[fervent pebble]

hm

[wicked ore]

no it's a participle

[bleak wigeon]

I guess you could consider it a participle yrah

[fervent pebble]

a what now

ohh

[bleak wigeon]

but participles are adjectives

[fervent pebble]

sure

[wicked ore]

a verb turned into an adjective

[bleak wigeon]

ye

[fervent pebble]

sometimes it's cool for something to buss

[wicked ore]

but practically nobody uses it as a verb

[vast surge]

Then I buss.

[fervent pebble]

lots of ppl use it as a verb

[wicked ore]

in what way

[fervent pebble]

"i'm bussin" etc just said randomly

[deep mango]

omg

[fervent pebble]

extended from the food-based origin to like

yk

rl

[wet notch]

Oh, yeah, Bussin is a participle- meaning a verb turned into an adjective. It effectively means "to be very good". I'd compare it to being "The shit"

[wicked ore]

I'm getting semantic satiation

[fervent pebble]

bruhhhh you gave it away >:(

[bronze pelican]

I usually hear it used to describe food like "this sht bussin fr"

[deep mango]

Oh

I buss

[bleak wigeon]

like say ur in an italian restaurant for the homies

[fervent pebble]

ryc was guessing

[wicked ore]

one could even describe it as

[bleak wigeon]

"that lasagna bussin frfr ong"

[deep mango]

I think it has lewd origins

[fervent pebble]

nope

[wicked ore]

yeah so it's really only an adjective

[deep mango]

I highly doubt this doesn't come from "bust a nut"

[bronze pelican]

I think you have lewd origins ryc

[fervent pebble]

^^^

[vast surge]

Is it related to bussing your table, like, at a restaurant or a cafeteria?

[deep mango]

No!!!! It's the latter parts of my life that are like this

[wicked ore]

no, because bussing is miserable

[bleak wigeon]

https://www.the-sun.com/news/4614158/what-does-bussin-mean/#:~:text=Where did the term 'bussin,and food guru Janelle Rohner.

[deep mango]

It's also not my fault, it's you people's

[fervent pebble]

this

[bleak wigeon]

how to embed

[deep mango]

Bussing is fun

[fervent pebble]

two ppl had sex to make u and u think its not lewd

[deep mango]

I love the bus

[deep mango]

Yeah i mean i was born 9 months after the wedding so it was def during the honeymoon

Like

[fervent pebble]

sounds pretty lewd to me >.>

[deep mango]

Probably very lewd

[vast surge]

Far more than two were involved for me. From what I've heard, it was a massive orgy.

[deep mango]

I really don't like thinking hard about this

[fervent pebble]

epic gamer moment tbh

[deep mango]

Which is crazy given how much I'll think about comfortably

[vast surge]

What, about your parents having sex?

[bright hill]

I wonder what #serious-discussion is up too

[deep mango]

I can think academically about it but once I start moving towards imagery it's like a visceral disgust reponse

[vast surge]

Never anything good.

[bright hill]

[chilly coral]

I'm the hellish product of hundreds of people merging as one in the middle of nowhere. When the bell tolls, I'll be there

[fervent pebble]

no need to wonder anymore my good cube

[vast surge]

I can give you specifics if you want; because I banged ur mum

[deep mango]

If namington chews me out for this I'm blaming Valley and Zorn

[bright hill]

[deep mango]

I'm proud to say that I know little enough that I cannot refute your claim.

[fervent pebble]

i didnt do anything

this is

uhhh

libel

[deep mango]

You tried to get me to guess what buss meant

[fervent pebble]

ryc was the one insisting on it being lewd

[vast surge]

It was all valley

[deep mango]

Where else am I supposed to go

[vast surge]

And ryc

[fervent pebble]

TRAITOR

[deep mango]

You're talking to the gay. Of course my mind goes to bussy

[bright hill]

nothing to see here

[chilly coral]

Bussy is kinda bussin tho

[deep mango]

I guess so

[wet notch]

Never tried it. Not interested in trying it, though, admittedly

[azure nymph]

My mind also went to bussy

[vast surge]

You said Namington's done worse before you edited that

[bright hill]

TRAITOR

[vast surge]

I was thinking about busses but that might be because I'm at a greyhound station right now

[azure nymph]

You're at the bussy station

[vast surge]

It's a busy bussy station

[alpine kindle]

bussy station?

[deep mango]

Did you all see the Easter Bussy meme

[vast surge]

I did not.

[alpine kindle]

no

[alpine kindle]

oh wait

nvm i did lmao

[azure nymph]

Damn the Easter Bussy is affordable and reliable for all nice

[vast surge]

This is why companies should either not use the internet or should hire queer teenagers as consultants

[deep mango]

I guess the issue then is having a facebook presence

[vast surge]

Actually wait I think if I was the consultant I would have tried to make it even worse/better

Hire someone who's not a troll

[bright hill]

abelian grapes is a queer teenager, confirmed??

[vast surge]

Well not anymore, I was a few years ago

[lime heron]

... the queer part or the teenager part??

[vast surge]

Care to guess?

[lime heron]

i'm hoping it's the teenager part

[vast surge]

I am currently 22 years old.

[azure nymph]

Math makes you queer btw

[deep mango]

I traded teenager for queer in the last few years

[azure nymph]

Damn we're the same age

[bright hill]

what does queer mean exactly?

[deep mango]

Uhhh

[bright hill]

I thought it was just a gender thing

[deep mango]

it's really hard to define

[vast surge]

Either not straight or not cisgender.

[lime heron]

LGBTQ+

[vast surge]

Anything out of the cisheteronormative norm.

[alpine kindle]

or not allo

[deep mango]

There are a lot of people who just don't want to be called queer at all

Cause the word used to be a derogatory term

and some people still use it as such

[vast surge]

Yeah, I keep forgetting that straight asexuals are a thing. (I was lumping them under "not straight")

[bright hill]

I mean, LGBTQ+ is LGBT + Q + "+"

[deep mango]

and then within the LGBTQ+ community, a lot of people in every group will call themselves queer

[lime heron]

that is true. recursive definition 😳

[alpine kindle]

or like
straight demisexuals

[fervent pebble]

wait

time out

i was under the impression that asexuals were not sexually attracted to anyone

[azure nymph]

They can be romantic

[lime heron]

heteromantic demisexuals?

[bright hill]

[vast surge]

I typically use ace as an umbrella term to refer to demis, grey aces, aces, etc. I'm under the impression that it's commonly used as such within the community

[alpine kindle]

ah

[fervent pebble]

straight has nothing to do w/ romantic taste, no? it's meant to refer to sexual orientation

i could be wrong here tho >.>

[alpine kindle]

it's ambiguous

[vast surge]

Typically someone who is "straight" will be both heterosexual and heteroromantic.

[fervent pebble]

hmm ic ic

my b

[vast surge]

(Or, depending on who you ask, "straight man" means hypersexual heterosexual aromantic and "straight woman" means extremely demisexual heterosexual heteroromantic, but like there are some weird gender norms)

[azure nymph]

I just thought of heterosexual homoromantic

[alpine kindle]

might be hard to reconcile

[deep mango]

In high school / early undergrad i was worried I was heteroromantic homosexual

but it turns out I just hadn't met guys that I was into romantically yet

[vast surge]

I'm thinking of those guys who say "you should have sex with every woman you can, and love is a bullshit excuse to get into her pants" and the women who say "you should not have sex with people you don't love because gender norms you're a slut otherwise", but I think this is sort of falling out of fashion.

[deep mango]

I would agree that that is falling out of fashion

[deep mango]

hard to reconcile was definitely my experience with this 😵‍💫

[bright hill]

[deep mango]

and like

kind of terrifying

[bright hill]

is biromantic hetrosexual a thing?

(asking for a friend)

[vast surge]

Yeah

[chilly coral]

Every romantic-sexual combination is a thing

[bright hill]

hmm

ic

[vast surge]

The real question: if you want to kiss someone, is it romantic attraction or sexual attraction?

[bright hill]

romantic

[deep mango]

Really

[bright hill]

hands down

ye

[chilly coral]

Depends where you're kissing

[deep mango]

I would go sexual

Actually yeah I agree that it depends

and like

[azure nymph]

Maybe depends on type of kiss?

[deep mango]

how and in what context

exactly

[alpine kindle]

depends on context

[deep mango]

that's a good grey area

[azure nymph]

Like making out I would say is probably sexual

[alpine kindle]

i mean

even that

[vast surge]

What about cuddling?

[azure nymph]

Not sexual

At least not strictly

[bright hill]

ye

[alpine kindle]

making out is not always sexual though

[vast surge]

I think making out is not necessarily sexual if it doesn't go further.

[azure nymph]

I've cuddled friends

[chilly coral]

Every romantic interaction can be made sexual with enough skill

[bright hill]

[deep mango]

with enough *communication

[alpine kindle]

and with consent...

[vast surge]

Yeah don't do anything without everyone involved giving affirmative consent

[bright hill]

and alcohol*

[chilly coral]

Well, unconsensual sexual acts is still sexual, its just also deserving of a sledgehammer to the head

[deep mango]

True

[azure nymph]

Alcohol usually revokes consent

[alpine kindle]

unless you're both equally as drunk

[vast surge]

It depends on the volume of the alcohol, and whether there's a disparity. I don't think half a glass of wine is necessarily enough to render one unable to consent; that said, there is definitely a volume at which people can't give informed consent.

[alpine kindle]

/high on another drug

[chilly coral]

If two people get so drunk that they consent to having sex while drunk, but then after being sober they realize they don't like each other and would never consent to sex normally... are they both mutual victims of rape?

[alpine kindle]

uh

no

they're both drunk people who made mistakes

while drunk

[vast surge]

I would say there's an exception to that exception, if someone is maliciously trying to get both of them drunk with the intention of making a move.

[alpine kindle]

yeah

i guess

[deep mango]

This is also kind of confusing cause people respond differently to alcohol so like

how do you even quantify this

[azure nymph]

Yeah some people remember everything, some people remember nothing, others some things

[deep mango]

I would probably always err on the side of avoiding sexual encounters while more than just a little drunk

And by "i would probably" i mean I DEFINITELY WOULD and other people probably should too

[alpine kindle]

yeah

[deep mango]

although i know that this is not as easy as it is to say sometimes

[alpine kindle]

exactly

solution: don't do drugs

[vast surge]

It's not just memory loss, but impaired judgement. There are some people who impulsively buy a bunch of shoes when they're drunk, some people just lose their balance a bit and that's the only effect noticed between drinks 3 and 12.

[azure nymph]

Yeah, especially if both parties have been drinking heavily

[alpine kindle]

be the nice sober friend who stops you from choking

[azure nymph]

12

[deep mango]

i've found that i need to like, give myself a mental checklist of reminders for when i'm drunk, stuff like "drink water, stop listening to the little voice that doesn't want you to drink water" and absolutely "do not try to make a move on someone"

[azure nymph]

drinking too much makes me sad

[alpine kindle]

btw water doesn't do anything other than being a replacement for alcohol

[deep mango]

and that checklist works super well at least for me, since when i'm drunk i'm a lot more liable to just follow sober me's suggestions

[alpine kindle]

it doesn't like dilute it

[vast surge]

Okay so here's the strategy. Sober you tells drunk you to write your thesis, then you drink.

[azure nymph]

I thought water was for preventing dehydration

[deep mango]

yeah

[azure nymph]

Genius

[alpine kindle]

oh

[vast surge]

Dehydration causes hangovers

[alpine kindle]

nvm

[azure nymph]

I've never had a hangover

[wild lantern]

Water is for absorbing the powers of the sea

[deep mango]

somehow i don't think my thesis would be very good

[wild lantern]

Some people write better drunk

[vast surge]

Look that's how I did all my real analysis homework and I was top of the class by a significant margin

[deep mango]

oh so all through undergrad i didn't drink (until i was a few months before 21) and people would always joke about how they bet when i'm drunk i'm like, super good at math

[wild lantern]

You're hiding all your spiciest math revelations behind a wall of sobriety.

[deep mango]

and then i got really drunk and was incapable of thinking about math

which is kind of nice

[vast surge]

Oof, maybe you shouldn't drink then.

There's bound to be a better substance for you out there

Have you considered heroin?

[wild lantern]

Being drunk makes me too pissy to do much

[deep mango]

Been there, done that. Mid

(no i have not tried heroin)

[vast surge]

Speedball?

[wild lantern]

Actually I do like playing music buzzed a little bit

[vast surge]

Oh, you should try meth!

[wild lantern]

I'm not better at it though.

[deep mango]

I will not be utilizing any hard drugs

[alpine kindle]

what class of drugs is alcohol in

[wild lantern]

A downer?

There's a real word for this

[deep mango]

Uhh

[wild lantern]

I'm too dumb to know these things.

[deep mango]

I forget all this stuff from 10th grade health class

there are stimulants, antidepressants

[vast surge]

It can actually fuck people up quite badly even without excessive use so I wouldn't say it's the same as like weed is. I've heard some people argue the only reason it's not considered a hard drug is that it's accepted by society.

[deep mango]

Yeah it's so interesting, like

I very recently tried weed for the first time via edibles

[wild lantern]

Weed is way nicer than booze

[deep mango]

and it's just so much better in every conceivable way

[azure nymph]

Edibles are nice

[alpine kindle]

wow

[azure nymph]

Getting a tummy ache is the worst though

[vast surge]

I tried via a vape and it was kind of a trainwreck

[wild lantern]

I've never had edibles though.

[deep mango]

while also being way less dangerous (if you're into your early 20s)

[alpine kindle]

yeah ok I'm not doing alcohol

[deep mango]

i'm not really interested in smoking

[alpine kindle]

i will like

[wild lantern]

Have you ever drank at all ally?

[alpine kindle]

uh

[vast surge]

But I think it was the people I was with weren't people I trusted and I did way too much (I didn't know it was about how long you inhaled it for, I thought it was about the number of hits)

[alpine kindle]

my family have given me small amounts

and i once drank a juice box that had been in a hot car

[deep mango]

Chugging manischevitz at passover

That was my life

[wild lantern]

It's only good in small amounts imo

[vast surge]

I was also drunk actually. Don't mix drugs.

[alpine kindle]

for god knows how long

[wild lantern]

Like, certain kinds of booze with certain kinds of food can be good.

Sometimes a light buzz is nice

[alpine kindle]

look if alcohol is like a hard drug I don't really want it

[wild lantern]

But outside of that alcohol is not that fun

[vast surge]

Steak and red wine if you're fancy.

[deep mango]

Yeah I almost did it for the first time at a party with a bunch of wall street finance assholes who were egging me on to do it

[wild lantern]

I mean like beer and some kind of heavy meat lmao

[deep mango]

and i took one puff and was like, alright i'm just gonna stick to that

lol

[wild lantern]

I am not fancy

[alpine kindle]

I'm vegetarian

[deep mango]

i think if id actually done it it would have been a horrible reaction

[vast surge]

Mine was just four random straight people I was living with over the summer break who resed matched me up with

[deep mango]

I see

[wild lantern]

Well, like meatier saltier stuff?

[bright hill]

alright

[alpine kindle]

umami?

[wild lantern]

There's a reason most bars have salty snacks

[bright hill]

imma hit the sack

good night

[wild lantern]

Yes umami is a good word for flavors that go good with booze imo

[deep mango]

Have a nice sleep DarQ

[alpine kindle]

gn

anyway

[bleak wigeon]

dried squid goes well with a good beer ya

[wild lantern]

I doubt I'd like squid but that sounds gud

[alpine kindle]

I'd rather have a different drink

[bleak wigeon]

I stand by it

[deep mango]

Squid is so good

[vast surge]

What I'll often get at a bar I go to is a nice whiskey or whiskey-based cocktail and some pretzel sticks.

[alpine kindle]

that doesn't destroy your liver

[vast surge]

They do these pretzel sticks with a cheese dip and it's amazing

[alpine kindle]

anyway idk

[wild lantern]

Pretzel sticks my beloved

[deep mango]

How can one person be so based and so cringe

whiskey >>>>
pretzels <<<<

[alpine kindle]

we'll see when i turn 18

what i end up doing