serious-discussion

[neat frost]

You failed their class I assume?

[dense belfry]

Do you ever drink with Joe Miller?

[velvet dagger]

I have a 4.0 fuck u Slurp

Literal copium

[dense belfry]

And Mariya Soskova

[velvet dagger]

I haven't unfortunately Emma

[dense belfry]

Sad

Have you seen their kid?

[light needle]

just git gud dami

[neat frost]

I don’t speak American. 4.0 out of 100?

[winter hinge]

4.0 GPA is max

[neat frost]

Wow. Tryhard.

[dense belfry]

My ug gpa was like a 3.3

My first year gpa was like a 1.8

Or something

It would have been much worse if I hadn't dropped all my classes except one second semester

[tepid light]

cute pfp

[dense belfry]

Apparently never going to class is not a good way to do well

In school

[neat frost]

Allegedly

[winter hinge]

I skipped 2 year's worth of math and ended up with a like 99 average

[tepid light]

4.0 out of 4.0

or 5.0

[dense belfry]

In my first abstract algebra class I skipped like a month in the middle of the semester

[winter hinge]

Went to tutoring with grad students instead though.

[dense belfry]

And then just showed up and memed on all the other students

[neat frost]

[dense belfry]

Because most students are really bad at abstract algebra

[neat frost]

Emma you sound like a model student

[dense belfry]

Yes

I am

[neat frost]

Prolly

[tepid light]

abstract algebra sounds hard

[winter hinge]

So proper math

[tepid light]

sounds harder than calculus

even calc 3

[dense belfry]

Yeah it wasn't a very good school so the class wasn't very hard

[mortal igloo]

I wonder if that anecdote says something about the quality of the lectures

[tepid light]

oh

nice

[dense belfry]

The lectures were good

[winter hinge]

Currently studying field extensions before doing some Galois theory. Abstract math is cool

[dense belfry]

That wasn't the problem

The students were mostly math education students

And didn't care

Or want to be there

[mortal igloo]

Oh I was going to say maybe the lectures were actually not understandable by them

[dense belfry]

Yeah they weren't

But it wasn't the professors fault

The lectures were actually really clear

[mortal igloo]

After giving 2 semesters of lectures I've come to accept that if my lecture was the most beautiful lecture but no one understood it, it was a bad lecture

[dense belfry]

I mean they got through the class mostly

I don't think they didn't understand

They just weren't engaging

Because they just needed the class as a requirement

[bright hill]

git gud noob

[dense belfry]

For some reason

idk why

And they didn't actually care about it for the most part

idk how far the professor should go in accomodating for that

Sometimes it really is just on the students

[mortal igloo]

I'm just naturally hard on myself

[dense belfry]

Same

[long epoch]

You guys lecture?

[dense belfry]

But yeah I think for example if you're teaching remedial classes you're not going to accomplish much for most students

In the long run

Unless you spend a lot of time

Like a lot a lot

And do lots of personalized attention

Yes we do

[long epoch]

Are remedial classes like ones which you take cus you failed th3 standard ones?

[neat frost]

Wow let’s make fun of slurp cuz he has social anxiety okay wow DarQ so mature

[dense belfry]

Like for remedial students the waters are very very muddied

And they are perpetually confused about everything

[long epoch]

Cool

[mortal igloo]

My first semester was pretty much a remedial class

My second semester was an honors class

[dense belfry]

And don't believe that they can understand things

[mortal igloo]

They could not be more different from each other

[dense belfry]

Yeah

It makes you wonder what the point is

In shifting the onus onto the students

To take classes they're immediately going to forget

And are just doing for a requirement

And make them feel bad about it

I don't really know why we teach math to a lot of people in undergrad

[winter hinge]

Bad physics student. Can confirm

[dense belfry]

It just seems like we do because we do

[next schooner]

The point I'm making is that access to tutors etc explains only a tiny proportion of the variance in attainment between socioeconomic groups and the relevant literature is abundantly clear on that. I'm not sure about the fluency thing. That's already the major focal point of the UK math curriculum so I suppose that's a statement about the US curriculum on which I am not qualified to comment.

[dense belfry]

To fuel the machine

[long epoch]

Ig but the non math majors end up needing it as prereqs for other classes, no?

[dense belfry]

Yeah that's different

Than just basic requirements

[velvet dagger]

I'm back futhermuckers

[winter hinge]

Flashback to the one time where the math assignment on confluences was relevant to the algorithmic test

[dense belfry]

If someone is failing the same math class consistently over and over again (which a lot of people do)

I don't see why we keep pushing this on them

And the solution is to make the classes easier

[grizzled grove]

I am surprised by this valence formula

[dense belfry]

Apparently

[velvet dagger]

When it comes to socioeconomic stuff influence how well people do in education

[dense belfry]

Which hurts other people

[grizzled grove]

It's beautiful and powerful

[long epoch]

Yea tbh making classes easier lowers the standard of the course imo

[mortal igloo]

What you cited actually says that parents teaching their kids explains a tiny proportion, not access to tutors. Although you probably have a bunch of education literature I'm not aware of, so maybe the literature also ends up agreeing with your point regardless. Has it been agreed on what is the explanation?

[velvet dagger]

Tutors would only really explain the distinction between like, doing alright but not so well as to be able to afford tutors, and the level above

But I think big parts are just gonna be like

Having a parent at home

[dense belfry]

Are there any stats on the effects of math anxiety?

[velvet dagger]

Rather than being raised by TV and baby sitters

[dense belfry]

I haven't seen any

[velvet dagger]

Funding available to schools

[mortal igloo]

Math anxiety seems like a feedback loop kind of thing

But I do recall studies saying it's measurable

[velvet dagger]

Like without knowing too much research but just imagining

[next schooner]

There is no single explanation. The education gap is an extraordinarily complex issue consistent of countless interacting factors, and it isn't remotely clear at this point how to address all said factors simultaneously

[velvet dagger]

You can see why this kinda thing would happen

[ancient flame]

.......

[grizzled grove]

Math anxiety means that unable to answer simple questions in front of public?

[dense belfry]

Yeah Dami you can see

But that's not enough

For this sort of thing

Stats are needed

I guess I should dig through the literature sometime

[ancient flame]

@velvet dagger do u like my name

[velvet dagger]

My intuition is good enough Emma smh

My eyes and imagination are statistics

[dense belfry]

[mortal igloo]

So why did differentiated instruction become the most popular method of attack for the educational gap? Or does it even claim to solve it at all?

[dense belfry]

Your eyes are data collectors

Your imagination is running the data processing algorithms

[velvet dagger]

My frontal lobe is a linear regression machine tru

Icy I'd say differentiated instruction is relative to, you have a class in front of you

Not all of your students have the same needs

So if you try to force fit everyone into the same style, it'll be trivial for some of the good students, now you're stifling their growth

[next schooner]

Simply because differentiated instruction leads to better outcomes

[velvet dagger]

And it's too fast for the struggling students, now you're amplifying their struggles

[mortal igloo]

So it's called adaptive pedagogy

[velvet dagger]

But socioeconomic factors can also influence, for instance which class you are in

[mortal igloo]

Josh said it's the new focus in the UK

[velvet dagger]

If you're in a school that's underfunded

[dense belfry]

School funding being tied to property values

Is wild

[velvet dagger]

The quality of education can and often does drop. Maybe the higher quality teachers avoid it

The ones who are there might have to work multiple jobs

[dense belfry]

My conservative brother in law tried to tell me that inner city schools are over funded

[mortal igloo]

So is this just saying that this is one thing that we know works in non-negligible amount, and we don't currently know of another thing we can do on top of that?

[velvet dagger]

To afford cost of living + buying some spare school supplies that their school can't afford

[next schooner]

It's the most easily implementable strategy that has been shown to be of statistically significant benefit

[velvet dagger]

Also some of your students, regardless of how much you differentiate

Don't have parents that are like

[next schooner]

Obviously there are many issues with differentiated instruction, mostly relating to workload

[velvet dagger]

Helping them on their homework, effectively a form of having a private tutor (with a cost of parents' time, but time is money here)

[mortal igloo]

I see. So what I'm surprised about is that the main focus isn't on searching for additional methods of attack, but rather focusing on adaptive pedagogy

[dense belfry]

Yeah helping your kid on homework is really important

[velvet dagger]

Or parents that are generally invested in their students' educational development

[next schooner]

But all of this doesn't even consider the fact that the pedagogical literature is still yet to reach a consensus on how best to teach students who are good at math

[velvet dagger]

Before kindergarten they would play games to help you learn the language better

[dense belfry]

Mass produced education

Schools as factories

[velvet dagger]

So yeah the structure of things in the US is such that socioeconomic status can fuck you up before the gate

My parents weren't super educated but I got lucky that I had a stay at home mom

[dense belfry]

Also the focus of education being to train workers

Vs personal development

Is interesting

[velvet dagger]

So e.g. when I was a kid, I had a speech problem

[next schooner]

Ah right I see the misunderstanding here. Adaptive pedagogy is what is taught to new teachers. The literature itself is pretty much nothing but people trying to figure out how to fix shit lmao.

[mortal igloo]

Ooooooh

[velvet dagger]

Because my parents tried to teach me 4 languages at once

English, Berber, Arabic, and French

[dense belfry]

My language education is so weird

[velvet dagger]

And it was a bit chaotic because Moroccans mix languages

So my dad would speak to me in English and Berber

[dense belfry]

Like I was supposed to learn Hebrew in like 1st grade

[winter hinge]

Quelle idée saugrenue

[velvet dagger]

My mom in ARabic and French

etc

[dense belfry]

Enough to use in my Hebrew studies

But that didn't happen

[velvet dagger]

If you teach a kid multiple languages apparently you should have one person speaking to them in each language

[next schooner]

But yeah issues of pedagogy are complex and very often straight up paradoxical. Just read up on the "Big-Fish-Little-Pond effect" in the context of mathematics lmao

[dense belfry]

And everything later on assumed I had that

[grizzled grove]

Does language have effect on your math abilities?

[dense belfry]

Taking exams in a language you don't know

[velvet dagger]

BUt it turns out I got confused by the mixing languages

[dense belfry]

Is surreal

[velvet dagger]

And just shut down mentally

So at age 2.5-3 I had the speaking level of a 6 month old

[grizzled grove]

Is French best language for math?

[winter hinge]

Why would it ?

[dense belfry]

The best language for math is first order logic

[winter hinge]

It's quite language independent

[dense belfry]

Type theorists btfo

[grizzled grove]

I think some languages have better way to describe mathematics

In their native language

[velvet dagger]

French would be a bad one if the language does matter that much

[next schooner]

I feel like questions regarding particular language speakers being better at mathematics is straying very close to Sapir-Whorf stuff, i.e. the most controversial shit in modern linguistics lmao

[velvet dagger]

99 = 4 20s 10 and 9

Like bruh

[dense belfry]

Josh they're just language realists

[grizzled grove]

But French language is usually allowed still in journals for publications

[velvet dagger]

I mean that's because a lot of math, esp AG and PDE I think, is done in French

[neat lintel]

4*20+10+9=99

[fresh oriole]

do you have any evidence or example to support this?

[next schooner]

So what? Some journals accept papers written in word?

[velvet dagger]

Matters of research and journals are disjoint from pedagogy

[grizzled grove]

What top journals in math except languages except from French and English?

Accept*

[next schooner]

The idea that some languages are better at describing mathematics seems dangerously close to the idea that some languages are more expressive than others, which is some borderline race science bullshit

[winter hinge]

Technically suiss french doesn't call them that way

[fresh oriole]

the idea that some languages are more expressive than others isn't a priori racist or wrong. But it takes serious evidential support

[dense belfry]

I've literally had conversations with self described race realists

[grizzled grove]

It is actually the vast available literature in certain languages make advantage for native speakers

[dense belfry]

So weird

[mortal igloo]

My big-fish-little-pond effect ended in 8th grade when I did well enough in a state math competition to be on a team with top people in other schools in the state for the national competition

[next schooner]

Yeah I agree with that

[mortal igloo]

That was quite the eye-opener

[next schooner]

This literature is very controversial

[winter hinge]

Standing out is detrimental until you stand out enough

[dense belfry]

I was simultaneously a big fish in a small pond and a tiny fish in a normal sized pond

In elementary school

[velvet dagger]

SSK: I am not gonna attempt to make calls on that, but even if you know it's true that there are languages which are more conducive toward learning math than others

[grizzled grove]

Research and journals have influence on pedagogy

[velvet dagger]

Not really

[mortal igloo]

I have that experience to thank for me being here right now, unironically

[dense belfry]

How do you know SSK?

Where are you getting this info from?

[velvet dagger]

Research/journals are about proving theorems that interest the mathematical community

[next schooner]

Sure, but the plural of anecdote is not data and the BFLP effect is very widely documented and a very difficult problem to mitigate

[velvet dagger]

Like for example, why is German not represented as much nowadays? Gottingen at some point in time was like

THE math place

[next schooner]

Indeed, one of the best known methods for mitigating it is differentiated instruction

🙂

[velvet dagger]

Of the world

[dense belfry]

Hmm I wonder what happened to Germany

[mild nebula]

I know nothing about language. Why wouldn't one be more "expressive" than another? Or, at least, why isn't it possible that you can express something in one language that you can't easily express in another?

[dense belfry]

In the 20th century

[mortal igloo]

Wait, my anecdote wasn't toward any pedagogical point

[velvet dagger]

Excellent question Emma

[dense belfry]

That caused all the Mathematicians to leave

[velvet dagger]

I wonder if we'll ever know

But yeah so that just led to less math being done in German compared to before. It doesn't say anything a priori about the language's ability to say things, and especially not about any kinda Sapir-Whorfness

So if it is the case that there's a mathematical Sapir-Whorf going on

[dense belfry]

Apparently a lot of people went to NYU and U Chicago

[next schooner]

Yeah it's a good question. Expressive isn't really a well-defined term here. I'm more referring to the very colonial idea that some languages are "primitive" in the sense that they are broadly limited in what they are able to convey. This type of thinking isn't very common these days though.

[velvet dagger]

You cannot conclude which languages benefit based on research activity

Since a ton of other factors influence it

[mild nebula]

Oh, like trying to say a modern language sucks?

Yeah that's odd

[dense belfry]

I guess I'm detracting from dami's point

idk

[grizzled grove]

I am like asking and explaining together. A person with French or English mother tongue does have certain advantage because of vast literature available in the native language. I believe someone having read French articles and books can be more mathemarically aware than someone from kenya reading English books say. Obviously limitations of number of books play certain role but also the thinking process must be impacted by language of thinking

[velvet dagger]

France is also super insular. One of my profs in undergrad told me that if you go to Germany (which still has some S tier math, arguably best math place in Europe is Bonn rn?)

[next schooner]

Yeah. There were a lot of writers back in the golden age of eugenics writing about how primitive the native African languages are, for example, largely because of the simple phonology of some families of languages (or at least apparently phonologically limited to a western European's ears)

[dense belfry]

How do you know SSK

Like this is just weird speculation

[velvet dagger]

If you go to a talk in Germany, they ask the audience if anyone doesn't speak German. If anyone says yes

The talk will be in English

[fresh oriole]

you may have a point but it doesn't mean French in and of itself is a superior language for expressing mathematical ideas over any other language

[velvet dagger]

This isn't German mathematicians giving talks abroad, this is while you are in a city whose street signs are written in German

Or they just default to English

But French used to be the lingua franca and France is super sensitive about losing that spot to English

So they make a thing out of not translating their materials etc

[dense belfry]

French used to be the lingua franca

[velvet dagger]

However, this is only a problem at top level where if n mathematicians who work in a given area live in one country

[next schooner]

Well yeah no shit somebody who isn't a native speaker of English is going to struggle learning math from an English language textbook

[velvet dagger]

That can be a serious percentage of all math research done in that area

[cyan goblet]

thank god its not anymore, i dont want anyone thinking im a frenchman

[velvet dagger]

Like whether the single man that is Pierre Louis Lyons decides to publish in English and French

Is actually important for the relevant subset of the PDE community

[dense belfry]

Amazing

[velvet dagger]

That's very funny

But yeah materials about how to teach children addition?

[grizzled grove]

All languages have their own pros and cons...and probably some topics which Japanese study in their Japanese language makes them pretty naturally inclined to think faster in that topic. In that sense the more variety of native language books may give advantage

[velvet dagger]

It would be trivial to translate them

[dense belfry]

I've literally put entire PDFs into Google translate

And it works really well

Surprisingly

[velvet dagger]

SSK: that's not a property of the language though, it's a property of the country

Like if America decided to emulate Japan's system for teaching math as a country

The materials could be produced instantly

[dense belfry]

For math papers I think it's technical enough that Google translate works

[grizzled grove]

What...does it keep the meaning intact

[dense belfry]

Yes for the most part

[grizzled grove]

I think math books would be hard to translate

[velvet dagger]

So now this is just talking about quality of education systems rather than quality of language. Because if you teach someone Japanese and then English and they live in the USA

[winter hinge]

It has improved over the last few years

[dense belfry]

A lot of math words are just used verbatim

[cyan goblet]

google translate still suffers with chinese

[velvet dagger]

"I think"

SSK unfortunately I must break it to you that not everyone has as good intuition about life as I do

[dense belfry]

In non English languages

[velvet dagger]

When people venture to make guesses about things they have little experience in

It's usually Dunning Kruger or worse, pure speculation

When I do it's insight and the professionals of the field should be taking notes

[dense belfry]

Yeah you seem to be doing a lot of speculating

[velvet dagger]

But that only works if you have lik

900 iQ

[dense belfry]

With Dami I allow it because he can yeet me off the server

[grizzled grove]

Property of country? Of course Russians germans Japanese Chinese French all translate stuff into their own language most of the time. But there are many others who just rely on English

[velvet dagger]

Also because I'm right

[dense belfry]

[bleak wigeon]

based dami

[cyan goblet]

all hail dami

[dense belfry]

SSK there's a lot of material available in general

Like a lot

[velvet dagger]

SSK: yeah that's a country's choice though

That's not embedded in the language

Like

[dense belfry]

And at the level that it matters they can deal with it

[velvet dagger]

You can't do data analysis on the linguistics of the Lithuanian language and confirm that if they are to use instructional materials developed by another country it must be Japanese and not Chinese

It's a choice made by individuals who are in charge

[grizzled grove]

Lot of available material and some books in certain language might just hit your heart when you get introduced to a topic. For example the way a topic is introduced to you is very important. Native language may have importance to it

To make things seem natural

[velvet dagger]

"might just hit your heart"
What

[dense belfry]

Like I really don't know why you think you have the ability to separate all of the other shit from the language stuff

[next schooner]

Now that's the scientific method we all know and love

[dense belfry]

To make the claim you're making

[velvet dagger]

Alright I'm gonna compute the homology of the aorta and figure out that Italian just hits different

Physiologically

[cyan goblet]

unlike you i have a rib cage. nothing will ever hit this heart

[velvet dagger]

Like I don't wanna be sarcastic or flippant here because it seems like you're trying to engage but you get what I mean right?

[mortal igloo]

Homology of the adelic aorta?

[grizzled grove]

I think I failed to bring out the point because of lack of evidence here and non precise remarks

[next schooner]

don't

[dense belfry]

Brb computing the sheaf cohomology of my transition

[velvet dagger]

SSK unfortunately you did indicate successfully what point you were trying to make

It's just not backed up atm by

Anything

[dense belfry]

We're taking the default position of "things are complicated and we don't know, it doesn't seem likely that this is a thing that matters given the history of that sort of idea"

[velvet dagger]

Be it evidence, or even pure reason, like if you at least gave an active feature of a language and suggest that this feature makes it more difficult to reason about arithmetic

[grizzled grove]

I still feel that learning math from your mother tongue books would be very helpful like it is for many mathematical countries

[velvet dagger]

Then we could at least contemplate that

[dense belfry]

And as the one making the strong claim you should have some evidence

[velvet dagger]

I mean learning language in your mother tongue being easier isn't even your original point

[cyan goblet]

learning anything in your mother tongue is useful

[velvet dagger]

Availability of resources in a language at kindergarten level isn't a property of a language

It's a property of the resources

[bright hill]

[velvet dagger]

And I'm gonna speculate a bit here myself but I'm pretty good at that so I'll allow it

[grizzled grove]

Yeah resources aren't sufficient except for a few languagea

[cyan goblet]

whoever invented arabic clearly stated that no math textbooks should ever be translated into arabic duh

[velvet dagger]

But I think you are hard overstating the lack of availability of resources in other languages

[dense belfry]

Yes how do you know SSK

That those resources aren't available

That doesn't seem like a hard thing to do

To translate a book

Like it's a pretty minimal expense

[velvet dagger]

Like we're not talking Hartshorne AG or books of that form

[next schooner]

I've never once read a quality math textbook in any language other than English

[dense belfry]

And you don't need many books for elementary education

[velvet dagger]

Because once you're older you simply learn what you need

[grizzled grove]

Once you're older changes a lot of things

[dense belfry]

How many different math resources were you exposed to in elementary school?

Many layers of weird assumptions here

That should be backed up

If you want to argue this

[velvet dagger]

So unless you're gonna claim that there are countries which don't have books in their native language about fractions and decimals and just go with Pearson or McGraw Hill untranslated

Then yeah give some sources

[dense belfry]

Well even if they were going to claim that

[velvet dagger]

I am declaring that the null hypothesis here is that most countries have at least shit like that available in their language

[dense belfry]

They should still give sources

[velvet dagger]

Err

Not unless

I meant if

Up to semantic homotopy I said it right

[dense belfry]

I feel like this is some weird incompetency of the state assumption?

[grizzled grove]

I have come to the point that I feel comfortable in English math books. But had it been from school time...i am sure I would have tried reading books in native language also...and this phenomenon is much pronounced in higher education of many countries.

[dense belfry]

Oh are you in a particular country

With this setup

[velvet dagger]

Much pronounced in higher education of many countries according to your most recent LSD trip or what?

[dense belfry]

Also what level are you talking about SSK

You haven't specified

[velvet dagger]

Also pedagogy for like

[grizzled grove]

Exactly

[velvet dagger]

K-3

[dense belfry]

Which level of education are you describing

[velvet dagger]

Is not the same as pedagogy in college

[grizzled grove]

Under graduate

[velvet dagger]

In college you're supposed to be a big kid and can just learn what you need

[grizzled grove]

And graduate

[velvet dagger]

The pedagogy is git gud

[dense belfry]

Okay you should have specified earlier

[velvet dagger]

Okay I'm kinda memeing here a bit but almost not entirely

Because it turns out

[grizzled grove]

"Supposed to"

[velvet dagger]

People just learn English

Very often

[dense belfry]

Yes

[velvet dagger]

And then they do just as well as the native speakers in math

[dense belfry]

The statement here is that not learning in your birth language is a disadvantage

[velvet dagger]

Hell a lot of my eastern European profs were some of the strongest

[dense belfry]

I guess

Which is fair

[grizzled grove]

Yes kinda and the reason is lack of available literature

[dense belfry]

But is far from the original claim

[velvet dagger]

Because once you're talking about doing high level stuff, work ethic and talent are needed to overcome even the raw mathematical obstacles

[dense belfry]

Anyway you should get a bit better about stating what you are claiming SSK

[velvet dagger]

Like I doubt there are too many people who would've succeeded in math if only Rudin was in Lithuanian

[grizzled grove]

I apologize...English is my weak point

[dense belfry]

That's fair

[light needle]

I mean maybe more would have gotten into math

Language barrier is a thing

[dense belfry]

Yes that's true

[grizzled grove]

English is my third language

[light needle]

And a lot of ppl write in a way that gate keeps ppl who don’t know English too well

[dense belfry]

I think we just got triggered by the language that SSK was using

[velvet dagger]

John: kinda but unless this is a problem at the level of like

Calculus books

[dense belfry]

Because it invoked bad ideas of the past

[light needle]

I think it certainly slows u down at every level

[velvet dagger]

Or I guess I shouldn't say calculus books but

[dense belfry]

But it seems that was just a miscommunication

[grizzled grove]

I feel blessed about this place because I can type my questions here and that too about higher level

[dense belfry]

I guess

[fresh oriole]

people who write in english expect their audience to read in english... I don't think that's gatekeeping

[light needle]

And I mean I have tried reading French papers before it was painful

So I can emphasize

Empathize

[light needle]

You can write in a way that’s gatekeeping

[dense belfry]

Did you try using Google translate on the entire document John?

[light needle]

Like using very difficult prose or words

Yes

[dense belfry]

Hmm

[light needle]

A lot of things I had to figure out how the translations worked

[velvet dagger]

Pretty much there are sorta levels of filtering if that makes sense. So you have classes that are mostly taken by people who are gonna do mathematically-related careers but not necessarily gonna continue in math

[dense belfry]

Ah okay

[velvet dagger]

eg calc/ODEs

[dense belfry]

Good to know

[fresh oriole]

I mean I guess if you're using idiomatic english phrases and slang and stuff

[light needle]

Exactly

I always try to make my writings as like, basic as possible

Bc I don’t wanna gatekeep esl ppl

[grizzled grove]

For me category theory scares me Or even the algebra scares me because it is all English words written. I prefer equations everywhere which I can still understand better. That's why I am more happy with analysis

[velvet dagger]

If those classes lack resources in the native language in many countries and it's relatively uncommon that people have n years of school in English or French before starting college, that I buy as a real barrier. But once you're talking someone who wants a research career in math

[light needle]

Why dami

[velvet dagger]

The fact that most math is done at this point in English, and to some degree in French, actually makes language barrier less of a thing rather than more of a thing

[light needle]

Why don’t u read only French papers for a week and then tell me that

[velvet dagger]

Beacuse you only have to learn one, maybe two, languages

[grizzled grove]

You think all this doesn't affect research?

[light needle]

Only learn two language

Wow

[velvet dagger]

Also John that was the worst example you should've told me to read mathematical German or Russian. Mathematical French is pretty easy overall lol. It sucks but it's not hard

[light needle]

It definitely effects how much u get done

Don’t lie

[velvet dagger]

Contrast it to the possibility where each person publishes in their home language

I've seen multiple people who are not native English speakers express preference for this state of affairs

[light needle]

i think its the choice of the author

and other ppl can translate it after if they want

[velvet dagger]

Because then you can just sit down for a while and learn English super well and now you're in perfect shape

[light needle]

i dont like how ppl just think english should be the defualt

[light needle]

not everyone can do this and it sets ppl not from english speaking countries at a very heavy disadvantages

[velvet dagger]

Yeah but that's still less of a barrier than trying to decipher one of who knows how many languages

[winter hinge]

Not really. By the time you have to rely on english to find teaching material you should be at a level where you have learned english for long enough to fully understand the triviality that is mathematical english

[light needle]

"triviality"

[grizzled grove]

I know some kids from iran who were no less than genius but dropped maths because they only understood their persian math books and after certain level persian books aren't available

They can solve very complex problems much faster than I thought

[winter hinge]

Compared to the level of English studied on english class in parallel, yes

[modest rune]

I think having a default is probably a good thing. I think the fact that it is English is probably due to problematic reasons. But I do agree that having math largely published in a single language is more accessible

[sleek wing]

and if they don't have an english class.....?

[light needle]

i think forcing ppl to publish in english just gatekeeps a lot of ppl

[velvet dagger]

Like I admit there's a possibility of survivorship bias but it also kinda stands to reason that the convenience of the ability to write math in your native language is far less than the inconvenience of having to decipher 12 languages because your sources are all in different languages

[light needle]

and also prevents ppl from getting into math in the first place

[modest rune]

I think it would be a bigger issue if fundamental results were published in many languages

[velvet dagger]

And this holds even for non-English speakers

[light needle]

I would personally rather have more language publishing, with possibility of translations, if it means more ppl get into math

[velvet dagger]

Possibility is different from actuality

[modest rune]

I think less people would get into math hahaha

[velvet dagger]

Like

If you're from Latvia

[modest rune]

It is incredibly convenient that one only needs to learn a single language to understand basically all of the modern literature

[light needle]

i mean it is convenient but i feel like u guys are just like

[modest rune]

It is not ideal that the language of choice is one of the largest colonial forces in existence

[primal seal]

If you think it’s such a problem, you’re likely not the only one John. Why not start a business and make some money off it? You’ll find out quickly if you’re into something or not

[light needle]

ignoring how hard english is for many ppl

[velvet dagger]

It's so much harder to find a resource in Japanese, a resource in Swahili, 3 resources in English, and 2 resources in French

[light needle]

when i grow up ill translate a lot of book to bengali

[velvet dagger]

And have to translate them all to Latvian

[modest rune]

Let me switch to laptop

[light needle]

but thats not for now lol

[modest rune]

One sec

[velvet dagger]

But then thankfully you can publish in Latvian

[grizzled grove]

You know bengali

[velvet dagger]

It's so much easier now to just learn a single language

[light needle]

im bengali

[modest rune]

I would 100000% rather be forced to learn a new language than have math published in multiple

[velvet dagger]

Than try to play with 12

[modest rune]

translation services are just like not possible

[velvet dagger]

This is coming from non-native speakers as well

[modest rune]

there is no incentive mechanism for translation

theres a reason even grothendieck has papers not yet translated to english

let alone some rando's phd thesis

[light needle]

isnt accessibility enough of an incentive?

like personally i think ill write my papers both in english and bangla

[modest rune]

People's work would die in obscurity if it was not translated and most of it would not be

[grizzled grove]

Thank god Neukirch book is translated

[velvet dagger]

^

Like

[modest rune]

People would have their results scooped simply because people didnt know they existed

Like who would even translate anything?

Why would they?

[velvet dagger]

You're assuming that because all languages are now things people can publish in

[modest rune]

Translators don't know enough math and mathematicians have other things to be doing

[grizzled grove]

Abstracts have to be in one language

[velvet dagger]

That all the materials would be translated

[grizzled grove]

Lol

[modest rune]

Machine translation is nowhere near where it needs to be

Like I think its fucked up that english is the language of choice for things that need to be universal

[light needle]

ok maybe this is all fair but u guys have to admit how unfair all of this is for people from say bangladesh or india

[modest rune]

but I would 10000% rather have all math written in a single language that I need to learn than multiple

[velvet dagger]

It's like Max says

The fact that the one language is English

Is objectionable

[modest rune]

It's unfair to everyone who doesn't speak english!

And that sucks

but unfair solutions aren't necessarily inefficient ones

[light needle]

yeah fair

im honestly just probably speaking out of emotions

[velvet dagger]

But literally those same people from India nad Bangladesh would find math less accessible

[light needle]

cause i knew a lot of ppl who were gatekept by like, english basically

[modest rune]

I think that it would be a huge barrier to young researchers of any language if results were being published in many languages

like

I reference papers all the time that were uploaded to the arxiv like

this year

[velvet dagger]

If all languages were represented. Because it wouldn't imply that you could mostly stick to your language

[modest rune]

that speed would be destroyed if i had to wait for translation

[light needle]

maybe we just need to wait for better AI

[modest rune]

Yeah machine translation is probably the best hope

[velvet dagger]

It would imply that you now need to deal with a ton of languages

[modest rune]

I think its one of the biggest like

[velvet dagger]

Yeah machine translation would be OP

[modest rune]

accessibility issues out there

Luckily companies are taking it pretty seriously

like Google has been trying hard to get really good and fast OCR translations

[velvet dagger]

Lmao spacebar that's clever

[grizzled grove]

I don't get it why something like handwriting to latex has not come up yet

[light needle]

it already exists ssk

[fair void]

Maybe we should adopt Latin in teaching to make maths really upper class and inaccessible again

[modest rune]

its very hard and has a market of like 5 people hahaha

[light needle]

i have an app that does that

[velvet dagger]

detexify is kind of a thing

[grizzled grove]

No that's just symbols

[velvet dagger]

But also that's not as important as other stuff

[light needle]

or well handwriting to latexified math

[grizzled grove]

Not the entire handwritten page

I started to use lyx for this

[velvet dagger]

If someone's barrier to math is that they don't wanna learn tex or even some hypothetical thing like Microsoft equations that's click and drag

[grizzled grove]

But some people use vim etc and claim they fastest

[velvet dagger]

Then unless there's some weird exceptional case I can't think of rn where that's valid

[light needle]

latex is really easy compared to like

[velvet dagger]

I'm just gonna allow that gatekeep

[light needle]

a whole ass language

yeah lol

u have to put in some effort

[grizzled grove]

Yeah I am saying how to live tex in class

[light needle]

oh well some ppl just type it up

i have friends that do

i personally just write it on my ipad

[velvet dagger]

Yeah I'm not saying it isn't unfortunate that you can't stick to your native language when doing research math

Just that the proposed alternative actually just makes it even harder

Because rather than learning one you're juggling

[grizzled grove]

Yeah I wish to be proficient in it

Lyx is good but not good enough

[light needle]

i mean as much of a meme as it is like

[modest rune]

Live texing is mostly about macros

not your text editor choice

so just pick a text editor with macro functionality that you like

and invest a lot of time into making clever macros

[light needle]

yeah and i always have a shit ton of shortcuts in preamble

just do that shit

[modest rune]

my standard preamble is so long now lol

[grizzled grove]

But still live tex requires you to be able to constantly see the output

And lyx does it well

[light needle]

hmm i mean not necessarily and something like overleaf can compile as u go ig

[mortal igloo]

I once live texed a talk with a lot of commutative diagrams and barely kept up 😔

[light needle]

anyhow i personally dont even like taking detailed notes during lectures

[grizzled grove]

Overleaf takes whole lot of time to compile

[light needle]

cause it distracts u imo

[mortal igloo]

I'm leaning toward not doing that again

[light needle]

i just write down bullet points on my ipad

[grizzled grove]

IPad is the best I agree

[light needle]

its a good investment if u can afford it

[grizzled grove]

I also iPad with Goodnotes

[light needle]

nice

if u have notability

there is a thing u can by that like

[velvet dagger]

Also tbh English is kind of easier than a lot of languages to pick up according to most people I know that learn 3+ languages and aren't native English speakers (mostly in contrast to Arabic, Berber, French, Spanish, and German). The circumstances that led to it being lingua franca were definitely not such considerations as opposed to less pleasant ones, and there probably are easier languages out there, but maybe it's better than having Latvian as the lingua franca. And I do think having a lingua franca in math research is the strat.

[light needle]

turns handwritten stuff into typed stuff

let me show u

[grizzled grove]

I think that's just handwriting functionality

[modest rune]

i honestly think it is more reasonable to take sketchy notes during lecture and if you really want to type them up later

[velvet dagger]

Maybe it's more that Americans are more willing to work with people whose English is eh but understandable compared to Europeans tho lol

[modest rune]

the only reason to live-tex is if you already know the material well

and ur doing it for other people

[grizzled grove]

Available with goodnotes as well

[modest rune]

the act of re-typing the notes rather than using OCR is going to help you remember them better

[grizzled grove]

I agree

[velvet dagger]

Max that's an interesting point

[light needle]

right

[grizzled grove]

Does it cover equations?

[light needle]

this was a handwritten hw

of mine

(questions are copied but everything else i handwrote)

[modest rune]

john

[cyan goblet]

ok john

[modest rune]

how is ur handwriting worse than mine

[cyan goblet]

true or false

[modest rune]

i thought i was a lower bound

[light needle]

lol

[cyan goblet]

probability density can never be negative

[velvet dagger]

Yikes

[light needle]

they were calling the wavefunction

probability density

in the class

not my fault

[modest rune]

why not just tex this

[light needle]

lol

[modest rune]

this is so cursed

[light needle]

this was quicker

[velvet dagger]

Do you have carpal tunnel syndrome?

[fervent pebble]

isnt probability density in between 0 and 1 by definition

[grizzled grove]

I have

[modest rune]

are you a dog at a keyboard

[light needle]

yo i just wanted to show off the tex smh

[modest rune]

re: johns writing

[grizzled grove]

But my handwriting is nice

[cyan goblet]

yea john. we flaming your notes now

[light needle]

bruh im getting bullied

[velvet dagger]

Now you know what it's like to be a premed

[modest rune]

just fyi i now expect ur talks to be beamer based

after seeing this

[cyan goblet]

wait is probability density the psi norm squared or is it psi

[light needle]

lmao

[bright hill]

amateurs

[velvet dagger]

Being lazy in your work and getting bullied for it

[light needle]

ok its a pchem class do u expect me to type up problems for it smh

[velvet dagger]

Lmao physics angle brackets for expected value

At least no bra ket

[cyan goblet]

i always use langle and rangle for my expectation value :(

because mcintyre denoted it as such so i did that

[light needle]

yeah i dont think we were at the brakets at that point lol

[velvet dagger]

But yeah I think officially |psi|^2 is the probability density

[cyan goblet]

speaking of which, a physics prof at my uni sent me a very funny email

[velvet dagger]

Rather than psi itself

[light needle]

i agree but my class was taught by a chemist

what can i do

[velvet dagger]

Educate

[light needle]

lol

[grizzled grove]

So notability and goodnotes are kinda same

[cyan goblet]

they're pretty similar yeah

[grizzled grove]

But good notes has presentation options with lightning pen for teaching

[modest rune]

so does notabillity

source: i give all my talks with notability

[grizzled grove]

I see

[velvet dagger]

Yes Max but brand loyalty

[light needle]

same max

[modest rune]

i wonder if i could sneak ppl here into the ucsd topology semianr

[light needle]

ok ill use beamer for ur class. should be good cause i havent used beamer b4 and i need to get used to it

[cyan goblet]

i use goodnotes because i already paid the 7 doll hairs for it

also because it has a dotted paper option

and i love dotted paper

[modest rune]

notability has dotted paper

[cyan goblet]

god dammit

[light needle]

notability has anything u can dream off

and more

[grizzled grove]

Both are great

[cyan goblet]

does it have textbook solutions

[modest rune]

except for a half decent file organization system

[light needle]

ok fair

[modest rune]

luckily i dont need one

[light needle]

i just manually organize things

notability to me is like, an online binder, the type u use in hs ykwim

[modest rune]

hahaha yeah

[grizzled grove]

But does it have infinite board

[modest rune]

I actually do not think it does

it has infinite scroll

but not horizontal

[grizzled grove]

Onenote has in both directions

[cyan goblet]

i used to use onenote

[modest rune]

onenote is kind of ass tbh

idk why but it feels super clunky

[neat frost]

I use one nite

[modest rune]

all the time

[neat frost]

It’s shit

[cyan goblet]

exactly why i stopped using it

[modest rune]

even things like making new files

and folders

[neat frost]

I don’t like the feel of how it writes

[light needle]

ill tell u why

[modest rune]

feels so backwards

[light needle]

microsoft.

[cyan goblet]

it's also like

way too buggy on ipad

[neat frost]

And it’s slow and it keeps having to load

[cyan goblet]

it'll just snap back to the top of the document randomly

[grizzled grove]

But infinite board is useful sometimes

[cyan goblet]

or sometimes when i write it just doesnt do anything

[modest rune]

what i really want is like

[neat frost]

Yes! I thought that was an issue with me

[modest rune]

a shared infinite whiteboard that works well on tablets

[cyan goblet]

no it is so god damn annoying

[neat frost]

Do y’all have any better free alternatives?

[modest rune]

like multiplayer notability

is notability not free

[cyan goblet]

from what i've heard, the apple notes app is like

actually really solid

[neat frost]

Hmm

[light needle]

ikr max

[grizzled grove]

Goodnotes has multiplayer thing

[light needle]

norability is 9$

or smth

[modest rune]

oh really

its been so long

i forgot

[cyan goblet]

yeah at least they're one time payments

[grizzled grove]

Goodnotes win finally

[modest rune]

thats up there with the best $9 ive ever spent lol

[grizzled grove]

Cheaper

[light needle]

and u have to pay 10$/yr if u want to have like

i cloud compatibility

[cyan goblet]

dont wanna sound like an oldhead but i am getting real sick of everything being subscription model based

[modest rune]

sub models suck

im ok w being an old head

even when you actually save money

sub models suck

[light needle]

which thankfully i did bc my ipad broke and the new one i got from warranty was able to get the notes back

[modest rune]

they feel bad

[light needle]

i have gotten cheated out by many auto subs

[modest rune]

i have never in my life referred back to my own handwritten notes hahah

[light needle]

oof i write down all the references from talks on those lol

[modest rune]

I have some actual "lecture" notes im writing rn

i should work on those more today

[cyan goblet]

i havent taken lecture notes in a while

considering i just finished my senior year of high school so i really didnt care about anything for the last school year

[modest rune]

oh by lecture notes i mean

notes for giving lectures

[cyan goblet]

oh

[bleak wigeon]

used to write in microsoft edge, but I feel like it's gotten worse now

[modest rune]

What

[bleak wigeon]

like if you have a pdf opened in edge, there's an option to draw

[arctic pollen]

What’s the difference between annuities and compound interest?

[frail sail]

Hey this last paragraph got me thinking…what would be the contribution of the speed of an actual bullet that makes it penetrate flesh? Cz the raindrop ofc won’t kill the person it drops on..right?

[swift sinew]

Well the terminal velocity of a raindrop is like 20-30 mph so there’s that

[primal seal]

The first phrase is important: “with no drag…” In reality, the raindrop reaches terminal velocity way before it gets anywhere near that speed.
*edit: I see what you’re asking now. Although a water droplet traveling fast enough could certainly kill you, there are other factors of a bullet which make them more deadly; namely, the property of hardness

[modest rune]

kinetic energy depends on velocityt

and that energy would be expended in the process

[neat lintel]

How we defined integrals is so neat

[frail sail]

Thanks

[bronze pelican]

https://youtu.be/bOXCLR3Wric

Finally, some 3b1b

[neat lintel]

olympiad level counting

[deep mango]

Oh generating functions

Cool

[sleek wing]

Oh lovely.

How pleasant

Oh god I see roots of a polynomial being permuted

When I said I wanted another group theory video this isn’t what I meant GRANT

[deep mango]

3blue1brown is a hack

[chilly hull]

yooo

another 3b1b upload

gonna watch it when i get home

[worldly void]

could someone give me some guidance on what I should study next based on what I know thus far? I'm an amateur with extremely rudimentary understanding so basically I'm looking for subjects beyond the basic real analysis and linear algebra that would maybe nudge my brain into thinking things more in a more "mathematically mature" way, if that makes any sense

[tender tulip]

• Pentagon
• Partition
• subsets

Euler’s Pentagonal Theorem

[bright hill]

bad title if I'm being honest lel

[neat frost]

How come

He’s hot no?

[sleek wing]

Slurp when a 6.5/10 man wants to sell his kidneys on the dark web

[deep mango]

He's not my thing

[neat frost]

Stfu grant is at least an 8

[neat frost]

What about Henry Cavill?

[deep mango]

Henry Cavill is more my thing i guess

depends on how much facial hair he has

[neat frost]

You like facial hair?

[deep mango]

Henry cavill as superman 👎

[neat frost]

Also he’s hot regardless of the amount of facial hair

Wtf

Okay who’s the hottest celebrity in your opinion?

[prisma swallow]

Bruh

Are the majority of mathematicians homosexual?

[modest rune]

no

[next schooner]

Yes

[prisma swallow]

Yes

[next schooner]

It's not a coincidence people care so much about homology and homotopy

[swift sinew]

Henry Cavill as the witcher is a godsend

[prisma swallow]

True

[fair mural]

most people are straight, so it’s probably fair to assume that most mathematicians are too

[next schooner]

This turned me bisexual

[hushed turret]

what did you think HoTT stands for? if you thought Hot Twinks you'd be right

[bright hill]

only 5% of the population is homosexual iirc

[neat frost]

Ryc is not a good sample. He’s barely even mathematician. He’s like a physicist or computer scientist more than a mathematician.

[fresh oriole]

topology

[bright hill]

so, probably not

[neat frost]

Everyone’s gay for me

So your figure is way off

[fair mural]

cringe

[next schooner]

hi quantum

[neat frost]

Quantum

[fair mural]

hi

[neat frost]

How was that cringe

Wtf

[fair mural]

i can call it cringe if i wanna

[neat frost]

But….

😭

[bright hill]

quantum calls everything cringe

[neat frost]

😭

Hey DarQ I improved my drawing macros

I can now draw better pps

[bright hill]

dm me

[neat frost]

Obv I can’t demonstrate here any more

[neat frost]

The code is to long to fit in a message

[bright hill]

render and message me the image dumdum

[neat frost]

Like without all the definitions it’s like 7 lines

Oh

Shore

[worldly void]

I'm guessing that's a separate field from algebraic topology

[bright hill]

wot

[fair mural]

yes

topology there just means like

general topology

point set topology

[deep mango]

[bright hill]

algebraic topology is a subset of topology

lmao

[deep mango]

How am I a computer scientist

[fair mural]

you use computers

[worldly void]

yeah this was my impression but given that I've sometimes gotten the wrong impression for assuming something I felt was self-evident, I want to make sure. sometimes that involves making dumb questions 😄

[fair mural]

good enough for me

[deep mango]

...

[neat lintel]

a is not in topology tho?

[fair mural]

bruh what

[bright hill]

[deep mango]

https://tenor.com/view/computer-science-lecture-hal-abelson-gif-19175829

[neat frost]

You literally were talking to me about something stupid with complexity yada yada yada

[deep mango]

Oh yeah I forgot

Yes ok

[neat frost]

You forgot… about the paper you contributed to?

[deep mango]

Yeah

[neat frost]

It seemed like a big deal for you when we discussed it

[deep mango]

I only did the math part of it

[neat frost]

[deep mango]

I don't think of it as computer science

[bright hill]

complexity theory has non trivial intersection with pure math tho, iirc

[neat frost]

“A non trivial intersection” Shuddup

And yes it does

But

The paper was like APPLIED CS

It was like

[deep mango]

Yes

[neat frost]

He was talking about RAM and caches and shit

[deep mango]

Pop quiz

[neat frost]

Oh fuck

[bright hill]

[bright hill]

[deep mango]

Ok i tried to think of questions but that would require me to remember what I talked about

[bright hill]

lmao

[neat frost]

O(n^3/sqrt(M))

Ez

[deep mango]

slurp: "do u have nightmares about me 😳"
me: "oh we had a conversation yesterday? i forgot "

[neat frost]

Was it yesterday?

[deep mango]

do you think i remember?

[neat frost]

Also stfu I’m literally the most important figure in your life

[neat frost]

HAHA senile old brain goes BRRRRRRRRR

[bright hill]

I mean

I'm not that surprised since you were drunk until 2am and only slept for 4 hours

[deep mango]

Huh? What?

[neat frost]

Ye

[hollow sundial]

ryc getting slandered

how dare you propose he has fun

[deep mango]

Yeah. I'm a no fun frank

[sleek wing]

Typical franks....

[bronze pelican]

What does this mean

[tender tulip]

Joking about euler's pentagonal theorem

[bronze pelican]

Ah

Just like how I joke about eating rychicken and rycheese sandwiches

[little vine]

I'd say so

[storm grotto]

Ik I’m probably not aloud to say this but if someone is nice enough to go help me in #precalculus I would really appreciate that ❤️

[mint patio]

It's valid to write differentials as functions right?

dv(x)

[deep mango]

ummm

well

they are functions

[mint patio]

Yes

But I don't know if there's like

Any weirdchamper technical shenanigan happening

Derivatives are fractions

Sorry sorry

Derivatives are a ratio of differentials

[neat lintel]

someone talking CS 👀 ?

[neat lintel]

[finite nimbus]

Why does big analyze even exist, I know my program will take 2*10^544 years for an input size of 100 😦

[steel knot]

What are bare minimum prerequisites for measure theory and lesbesgue integration?

[next schooner]

what the HECK is your program

[leaden torrent]

it determines all true statements with proofs of length n in ZFC

obviously

[bright hill]

real anal probably

[steel knot]

Can you elaborate a but more?

A bit

[bright hill]

rudin chapters 1-8

[steel knot]

Are contents of chapter 8 necessary? Ive heard its about fourier transforms

[bright hill]

I don't think so

[steel knot]

Also I dont need chapter9-11 right?

Where things go multivariable

[bright hill]

it's not that you don't need them

they're just bad

so don't

(one of those covers lebesgue integration anyways )

[steel knot]

Oh okay

Btw textbook that my school uses is a bit obscure

So it might require a bit different things

Anayways thanks

[bright hill]

[steel knot]

So what do you recommend regarding contents from this chapters. skip it or do it with other books?

https://www.amazon.com/Measure-Theory-Vladimir-I-Bogachev/dp/3662500701

Btw this is the book assigned

[bright hill]

you should certainly do something else

whether that's a measure theory or something outside of analysis altogether, that's your choice

[uncut totem]

ello guys uhh can someone send me some courses that will help me reach calculus faster i am currently doing from khan but its very long

[bright hill]

I haven't done measure theory myself yet but #books-old has this: #books-old message

you can also ask in #book-recommendations if you want

[bright hill]

are you comfortable with algebra?

trig?

[uncut totem]

um

[uncut totem]

i mean i know basic algebra 1

slopes

@bright hill

hello?

[bright hill]

tbh, I'm not that familiar with US's math HS curriculum 😅

so I can't give you a difinitive answer

[uncut totem]

oh ok but my main goal is to be able to reach calc fast

[bright hill]

my best advice is to check out MIT OCW single variable calculus course

and see how it goes

[uncut totem]

i am indina

btw

[bright hill]

yeah

I think you should try OCW and see if you can keep up

if you ever get stuck you can always ask here

[uncut totem]

k

[uncut totem]

what are the prerequisites

[bright hill]

algebra

maybe trig

lel

[uncut totem]

ye ok

[celest vault]

Wait what was that big brick called again

[celest vault]

I think Steward Calculus xdddsddd

[uncut totem]

...

@neat lintel

[neat lintel]

What

[uncut totem]

u blocked me?

[neat lintel]

No

I turned off dms from non friends

[uncut totem]

also ur messages are gone

[uncut totem]

oh ok

[neat lintel]

I am not comfortable talking in dms

That is why

[uncut totem]

oh ok

[brittle socket]

Spivak's Calculus

[celest vault]

😳

[naive galleon]

Is it alright to ask a chem question here? Or is there anyother off topic chat?

[surreal sapphire]

you can try a help channel, but dont expect anything

there is a chemistry server in #old-network

[naive galleon]

👍

Thank you

[neat lintel]

Hello I'm a noobie in math..

and I'm wondering if anyone's interested to be my friend

[brisk vigil]

For my project I was studying the use of logarithmic calculations in the trajectory of stars, which I wil have to conduct an exploration on

Does anyone know about this area

btw is this suitable for a high school student

[sleek wing]

“Logarithmic calculations” tell me very little about what you’re actually doing

I know some stuff about the relative movements about bodies in the night sky if you wanna ask anything though

[brisk vigil]

Well it was about how Kepler used logarithmic calculations to help calculate the trajectory of bodies

He even published a book on it

So I was thinking of using that method in my exploration

It is only in the initial stages so I cant give anything concrete

[sleek wing]

Sure, sounds like a good approach for, what I assume is, a high school project

[brisk vigil]

My math teacher says it may be too complex

Would anyone have some knowledge about the use of logarithmic calculations, logarithmic charts, etc.

I am having difficulty finding the method he used online

[ember mulch]

Does any one have any advice for getting through Number Theory ? I'm hating this lesson so much due to how boring I find it to be. And because that, I'm not being able to focus and study it.

[surreal sapphire]

what kind of number theory?

[ember mulch]

So far, we did Divisibility, and Congruence