serious-discussion

[shrewd marlin]

and indeed it is, but i used to think that the formula
e^ix = cos(x) + isin(x)
was made up and was just defined in this way so that
e^(i pi) == -1

like this formula was just created and then held as a reference point

no one was ever able to prove that this is real to me

until today, when i saw this marvellous thing

[leaden torrent]

this is... kind of circular? it implicitly assumes you can differentiate complex trigonometric functions

which the power series definition ensures you can do, yes, but if you havee that definition then you can just take the sum directly

[shrewd marlin]

the power series one was always sus to me

[fair mural]

how

[shrewd marlin]

with infinite sums you end up having wierd things that are untrue like
1 + 2+ 3 + .. == -1/12

[fair mural]

no?

plus that’s out of context

[shrewd marlin]

because nonsense like that is possible to bring about with infinite sums

a proof that doesnt rely on it makes me feel like its more rigorous

[fair mural]

that’s just why you have to be careful with them

bruh

[hushed turret]

use of power series in a proof is perfectly rigorous so long as you use them appropriately

[next schooner]

you don't get nonsense as long as the series is convergent

absolutely convergent, in fact

[hushed turret]

indeed

[leaden torrent]

algebra is BULLSHIT because i take the square root of (-1)² = 1² and get -1 = 1

[shrewd marlin]

for e^z = 1 + z + z^2/2! + etc.
here how do you prove that z^n/n! tends to 0 for any z

[leaden torrent]

this proof uses ℝ but the argument is the same for ℂ

somewhat more direct: just use the root test lmao

here how do you prove that z^n/n! tends to 0 for any z
also fyi: this is not sufficient to prove their sum converges.

it doesn't work for the harmonic series, for example

[tender tulip]

the proof using real analysis makes it more clear due to some inequality rules that make it akin to a geometric series, which converge if < 1

[fervent pebble]

yepppp

:((

[neat frost]

Eyyy valley

How’s the bachelor life?

[fervent pebble]

hola, slurp

[neat frost]

[fervent pebble]

also

well

[neat frost]

Where’ve you been?

[fervent pebble]

ive never been married

so >.>

[neat frost]

[fervent pebble]

finals and ib and ap exams

[neat frost]

HA

Loser

[fervent pebble]

fuck offffff im so tireddd

[neat frost]

Tf is ib tho

[fervent pebble]

https://www.ibo.org/about-the-ib/

[neat frost]

Looks stupid

How was tho?

[fervent pebble]

boring

not fun

etc

[sick burrow]

I have been stuck

on a single Euclidean geometry problem for almost 4 hours

and I can't even get bailed out by #❓how-to-get-help this time because it's a take home final

this is for my topics in geometry class

covering topics from the basic (differential geometry) to the agonizingly advanced (Euclidean geometry)

like we only spent the first 2 weeks on Euclidean geo before moving on to more advanced stuff

[neat lintel]

it's just differential geometry with R = 0

[sick burrow]

but there's a question about it on the final

that I'm pretty sure would be suitable to ask highschoolers

and I cannot for the life of me figure it out

I might just look up the answer in Elements

the prof said consulting that book would be fine, but I'd also feel bad doing so since the book would likely just have a complete proof

[sleek wing]

it's a final

it's do or fuckin die

you use every scummy underhanded tactic for every single measly mark

you kill a man for an extra 3 points

no mercy

[sick burrow]

I feel like I can probably figure it out on my own

besides I just moved back from college and I'd probably have to dig through my stuff for a few minutes to find my copy of Elements

[neat lintel]

Heh

[sick burrow]

ok I think I've almost solved it

[fair mural]

[sick burrow]

it's funny. I don't think it was actually a hard problem, I just had no idea how to approach it

I have no real intuition for what steps to take

[astral iris]

Me in discrete math

[sick burrow]

see discrete math I can do

on the bright side I honestly feel less hopeless with geometry now

despite struggling with what is arguably a hs geo problem for almost 5 hours

[fair mural]

able to do model theory, can’t do geometry

this will be me

someday

[sleek wing]

that is me

[sick burrow]

you do model theory wew?

[sleek wing]

you think I've got the foggiest idea what a circle theorem is

[odd narwhal]

all of math is model theory

except for fluids

[sick burrow]

anyways euclidean geo is starting to feel less like something I'm hopelessly bad at and more like something I'm inexperienced at

[fair mural]

what is fluids

[sleek wing]

fluid dynamics

[surreal sapphire]

its funny because all of math is also geometry

[sick burrow]

it's honestly been sorta fun

[sleek wing]

aka my favourite area of maths

[surreal sapphire]

which leads me to deduce geometry = model theory

[neat lintel]

can you send the problem after your final

[sick burrow]

yeah I will

it's like

super easy

you guys will laugh

[sleek wing]

ping me when you do

[neat lintel]

wait did you solve it already

[sick burrow]

not yet

[neat lintel]

is it cheating to send and not get help on it

[sick burrow]

but I think I finally have the right approach

[neat lintel]

i just wanna see it

[fair mural]

but it’s physics

[odd narwhal]

geometry \subset model theory

physics \subset matth

[sick burrow]

I mean it doesn't really matter in the scheme of things

[sleek wing]

it's applied maths ;)

[fair mural]

physics = math confirmed

[sick burrow]

like the prof would literally never know

[fair mural]

wait

[odd narwhal]

this inclusion is strict

[fair mural]

physics subset math

[sick burrow]

just like he'd never know if I looked up a solution on the internet

but I'm honest

[neat lintel]

why isn't phsyics considered math

physics

[surreal sapphire]

😕

[sleek wing]

physics makes observations using experiments

[surreal sapphire]

why isnt agriculture considered math

[sick burrow]

and I think in the long run it's probably a good experience to spend hours struggling over a problem and getting nowhere

[surreal sapphire]

we have fields, sheaves, etc...

[errant furnace]

crop "circles"

[sick burrow]

I'll likely be doing that a lot this summer in my REU

[fair mural]

trust me loch, we’ll get there eventually

[neat lintel]

if its take home maybe take a walk

and give it some time off

whats reu

[sick burrow]

research experience for undergrads

[neat lintel]

niceee

[sick burrow]

I got a really nice one

[neat lintel]

for math?

i hope not geo-

[sick burrow]

I'm not going to dox myself which exactly

[neat lintel]

cool

[sick burrow]

I think it might have some geometry in it?

or like one of the projects is maybe geometry

but I'll probably be able to avoid that part

hopefully

[neat lintel]

well congrats 🥳

[sick burrow]

I mean it's really just euclidean geo that I have the hardest time with

if I can put coordinates on it then it's less hard as it is just annoying

say what you want about Euclidean geo, at least it doesn't have trig functions and integrals

[neat lintel]

hmm yea i guess

[sick burrow]

I'm taking a break and then coming back to it after dinner

I

[neat lintel]

gl buddy

[sick burrow]

will post the problem on Monday after I submit the exam

[surreal sapphire]

if you dont like trig functions and integrals, you are going to have a bad time at some point...

[sick burrow]

react to this message if you want me to ping you when I do

[bronze pelican]

REOs
Research experience for overgrads

[sleek wing]

I'm an overgrad

[neat lintel]

is it easy to get undergrad research

[sleek wing]

I'm over it

[sick burrow]

it's hard but doable

[sleek wing]

almost all unis offer programs, as for how competitive they are idk

[bronze pelican]

Supergrad

[cyan goblet]

i’m predoc

[sleek wing]

subgrad

[sick burrow]

you need to apply to a bunch of programs and get lucky

[sleek wing]

just like a PhD

[neat lintel]

mhm i can't imagine doing research in math

ngl

[surreal sapphire]

imagine applying for a phd

[sleek wing]

I'm crying

[sick burrow]

but the sense I get is that if you're the kind of person that would succeed in one of the programs and you apply to a bunch then you'll probably get something

[neat lintel]

isnt that the whole

[odd narwhal]

i'm a pre-pre-postdoc

[neat lintel]

lemme appply to 10 10% acceptance unis and get into atleast 1

[bronze pelican]

I'm a Perfected Ultra Instinct grad

[sleek wing]

this is literally what you do for research positions lol

[neat lintel]

W

[sleek wing]

you gotta do a shotgun approach

[neat lintel]

i guess

lucky im in highschool

and just approach members of my local uni for jobs <333

[surreal sapphire]

i mean this is what you do when applying for most things

[neat lintel]

im excited for uni

!!

[sleek wing]

me applying for janitorial positions at every engineering firm in the world

[cyan goblet]

janitors carry the world

love those people

[surreal sapphire]

i think they subcontract

[sleek wing]

I have no fuckin clue what that means

[surreal sapphire]

they dont employ janitorial staff themselves

they pay a company to take care of that

[sleek wing]

wtf

too bad

I'm applying anywya

[neat lintel]

applu to be an assistant

but then again why choose to be an engineer 💀

[cyan goblet]

wew janitor tbh

[neat lintel]

wew how about you apply

brain growing medicine on your head

[sleek wing]

I'm going up

[neat lintel]

cause your brain is small

[neat lintel]

going up to wat

[cyan goblet]

oh roasted omg roasted

[neat lintel]

senior engineer

!!

[sleek wing]

the moon

[cyan goblet]

how will you recover wew

[sleek wing]

recover from what

[cyan goblet]

galwas burn

ooooooo burned oooooo

[sleek wing]

where

[neat lintel]

wew im joking

it was a joke

[sleek wing]

what

[neat lintel]

i did not mean it

[sleek wing]

huh

[cyan goblet]

wew blurry vision tbh

[sleek wing]

wha

[bronze pelican]

@sleek wing

Do you know about the exceptional automorphism of S_6?

[sleek wing]

I'm pretty exceptional imo

is this the funny

outer automorphism

[odd narwhal]

I know about the exceptional automorphism of s6

What about it

[bronze pelican]

You can get the exceptional automorphism of S_6 by constructing an exotic embedding S_5 -> S_6

The usual way to construct the exotic embedding S_5 -> S_6 is by thinking about Sylow 5-subgroups of S_5

[sleek wing]

ok I kind of get this embedding

[bronze pelican]

But I have another way

[sleek wing]

very peculiar

[sleek wing]

go on?

[bronze pelican]

Consider the complete graph on 5 verticies regularly embedded in the torus

How many ways are there to color the 5 faces of this map with 5 distinct colors?

I claim there are 6 ways

[sleek wing]

I think I see where you're going with this

[bronze pelican]

Now I have a set of 5 elements: the colors
And a set of 6 elements: the colored maps

Any permutation of the set of 5 colors induces a permutation of the set of 6 colored maps

This is an exotic embedding S_5 -> S_6

◉◡◉

[sleek wing]

matches up with each of the conjugate subgroups that are acted on in S_6 being cyclic order 5

[bronze pelican]

Wdym

[sleek wing]

in my head

it matches up

[odd narwhal]

That's really cool yamin

[pastel temple]

is there a branch of maths that studies sequences/series or does that sort of go into analysis

[sleek wing]

that's def analysis

[deep mango]

People would call that "hard analysis" usually

Thats not exactly what hard analysis is

But the vibes are right

Tao wrote a very good blogpost on it

But the main difference is that hard analysis is all about quantitative estimates while soft analysis is all about inclusions / implications

So functional analytic methods usually offer the latter

And increasingly people are caring more about the former

Certainly

But there are subfields of analysis where the standard toolkits are very "hard" (like analytic number theory)

And subfields where the standard toolkits are very soft (like pdes)

So e.g. right now there is a program where people are taking it upon themselves to quantify lots of known PDE estimates, since there are increasingly many hard methods which can take advantage of stuff like the actual size of constants in an asymptotic bound.

[sick burrow]

ok I think I finally solved the problem

Via the pigeonhole principle lmfao

[sleek wing]

LOL

[sick burrow]

tfw pigeonhole your way around the non-existence of angle-side-side

one of these triangles must be congruent so I'm good

[grim carbon]

Hello everyone I am studying for act what math should I master before taking the test?

[sick burrow]

Maybe find a study guide?

And try some practice tests

When I took it there was nothing super hard, the challenge was just you had to go super quick

[grim carbon]

yea I just missed out on alot of math classes in my earlier years of HS so I dont know how to do much math

[sick burrow]

Then it sounds like you have a lot to review

I'm not sure if there's anything we can give you that a study guide or a (few) practice test(s) can't

[tender tulip]

I can’t chose between abstract or anal

Gotta chose one

Abstract algebra is more fun

[sleek wing]

do it

[limber thunder]

why you gotta choose

[tender tulip]

is there any structure with a sort of specialized inclusion (like subgroups, subfields, etc) that also has the property that if A is included in B then the automorphism group of B is a subgroup of A

[limber thunder]

both have their fun moments and their "oh my god I fucking hate this" moments

both are required in a math degree

both can be studied simultaneously

[tender tulip]

I plan to major in electrical engineering I just do math because I have no other hobbies

[tender tulip]

This is a property of fields but is there any other structures with this

[ancient flame]

do I have every white role in the server

[charred mortar]

No

[limber thunder]

isn't there also like one role for each adv channel

maybe the old ones

[ancient flame]

oh true

[dire mulch]

I am tutoring my sister in calculus 2.

[ancient flame]

my condolences

[deep mango]

Having more roles is a cause for shame

Look at plegasus

One role

Gorgeous

[ancient flame]

cringe!!!

I love having excessive amounts of roles

[dire mulch]

I used to have the chess role then it disappeared.

[deep mango]

I should get rid of my irrelevant roles

[ancient flame]

can I have banach_alg_hermitian_involution

[deep mango]

I can give you back the chess role plegasus

[dire mulch]

Also I hate when I have too many roles. Similar to how I hate when I am in too many servers.

[ancient flame]

[deep mango]

If you want to sully your beautiful role list

Same

I aggressively prune servers

[deep mango]

Ok

[dire mulch]

I am only in two servers right now.

[deep mango]

Wow

Im in like 8

Actually 12

Sigh

Thats too many

[ancient flame]

im in 7

[deep mango]

I only use 2 basically

[dire mulch]

I can't handle more than 3 for some reason.

[deep mango]

One was a reading group from this server

There are 3 from classes

[ancient flame]

now im in 5

[dire mulch]

lol.

[deep mango]

2 are for legit math communities

Not legit but

Like

Professional

One was my old secret hitler group which hasnt been active for a long time

[ancient flame]

oof

wtf

[deep mango]

Sigh

[dire mulch]

what?

[deep mango]

Secret hitler is a board game

[next schooner]

!

[deep mango]

Its like mafia

[dire mulch]

oh, lol add that next time.

[deep mango]

It's a very very fun game

I like lying to people

[dire mulch]

I have been playing chess lately.

It fun.

[deep mango]

You cant lie in chess

[ancient flame]

ryc is a nazi!!!!

[dire mulch]

I suck but its fun.

[next schooner]

my elo is 154

[sleek wing]

“I’m gonna attack his queen don’t tell him” - GM Ben Finegold

[deep mango]

Im also horrid at chess

[sleek wing]

Ryc you want a game of chess?

[deep mango]

I hang pieces like

3 times a game

[dire mulch]

Annoying thing in chess right now is dealing with enemies knight.

[ancient flame]

I play Minecraft but dont tell my parents they think I have a job

[deep mango]

I thought you did have a job

[ancient flame]

I do

[dire mulch]

I haven't played minecraft since highschool.

[ancient flame]

me neither

oh wait

[deep mango]

We had a minecraft server here

[dire mulch]

aren't you in highschool gmod.

[ancient flame]

lol

[deep mango]

That was fun for a while

I made a cozy little house

[sleek wing]

I made an abelian grape vineyard

[deep mango]

Then I got bored

Like usual

[ancient flame]

well technically I finished but my graduation isn't for another 2ish weeks

[dire mulch]

All I do in minecraft is blow shit up.

[deep mango]

Lol

[sleek wing]

All I do is speedrun and make computers

[ancient flame]

I pvp in minecraft

[sleek wing]

And bed waurz once in a blue moon

[deep mango]

I play good games like terraria instead

[dire mulch]

congrats. I am guessing your majoring in maths.

[ancient flame]

btw this is a quote from a youtuber

no im majoring in business

[dire mulch]

Sounds boring af.

[ancient flame]

maybe a math minor but I feel like a CS/info science minor would be more useful

business is cool as fuck

[deep mango]

Info science

[dire mulch]

I am doing CS and doing extra math classes on the side.

Mostly during the summer

[cyan goblet]

hi char

chat

im tipsy :)

[deep mango]

Hi anamono

What are you drinking

Oh its Saturday

You went to a party

What did you drink at the party

[sleek wing]

Wait it was Saturday yesterday?

[cyan goblet]

ive had

so far

a screwdriver

a shot of pink whitney

a shot of vodka

a jello cup

a shot of sake

i am intact

[sleek wing]

Got damn

[cyan goblet]

ok now im mixing fireball w some berry soda

not bad

tastes like hot tamales

shot of malibu

[cyan goblet]

i am stull at the party :D

[deep mango]

Lol

Thats a good amount, make sure to drink lots of water

[cyan goblet]

i am

i also brought some snacks

[deep mango]

Nice

[dire mulch]

I turn 21 soon so can't wait to try some stuff out.

I haven't drank since I was 8.

[sick burrow]

I haven't drank ever

[dire mulch]

My uncle came over and left it on the table. So I drank it. Tasted horrible.

[deep mango]

Lol

[sick burrow]

but it's crazy now that I'm over 21 realizing it would be entirely legal

[dire mulch]

yeah.

[deep mango]

It tastes better with practice

[sick burrow]

I almost had my first ever drink a week ago

there was a big end of semester event on campus and there was free beer

I was offered a mug

[deep mango]

Probably shit beer

[dire mulch]

Too be honest all I am going to try is wine.

[sick burrow]

my friends got it and they liked it

there were a bunch of options

[charred mortar]

I just know there’s a big chance I’ll become a big alcoholic if I ever drink

[deep mango]

Hmm

I see

[charred mortar]

So I’m never touching alcohol except as a way to clean stuff

[sick burrow]

there was a hard cider too

[deep mango]

Wine is good but i definitely enjoy whiskeys the best

Firey

[sick burrow]

yeah this somewhat concerns me

[long epoch]

Tfw For external use only

[vivid halo]

scotch is wonderful

[sick burrow]

I think I'll probably be fine

[deep mango]

Yeah

I don't think it almost ever looks like "had one drink -> becomes an alcoholic" but you should do whatever makes you happy and comfortable so ofc its fine to never bother

[dire mulch]

oh yeah ryc I liked your latex talk. It cleared up a few things and from now on using overleaf for doing exercises.

[deep mango]

Thanks!

[vivid halo]

ryc what's the best whiskey/scotch you've had

[deep mango]

I appreciate you watching it

[deep mango]

Something my uncle brought to a family gathering, idk what it was unfortunately

[vivid halo]

okay what's the best one you can actually provide useful info about

[deep mango]

Ok I think I found it

Lagavulin 9 year old I think?

[vivid halo]

lmao the game of thrones edition?

[deep mango]

Idk

It was the one that doesnt have a silly lion on it

[vivid halo]

yeah that's the one

they don't make many 9 years

[deep mango]

It was very nice, but i dont have enough experience to really know how to compare it

[vivid halo]

yeah that one is nice

I've had lagavulin 12 which is also very nice

[deep mango]

It makes a lot of sense that my uncle would get game of thrones whiskey

I should have started looking with that in mind

[vivid halo]

hahaha

[cyan goblet]

im so gone

need 2 pace myself

only 9

i can still drop that ass tho

but i will adhere to my moral code

like no inappropriate contact

[vivid halo]

[next schooner]

whisky chat

hell yeah

well this is awkward

bye

[cyan goblet]

meow

i cannot stop grinning

wow i spelled thatright

good job me

[next schooner]

are you drunk

[cyan goblet]

yessir

hella

[next schooner]

perfect time for doing math

[cyan goblet]

yes

i met an old coworker here

[next schooner]

in the discord channel?

[cyan goblet]

no

at da party

!

[ripe wasp]

W

got everything i need for the summer

[neat lintel]

i'm very sorry for your wallet

also, nice!

[ripe wasp]

heh had some spare dollars from my grandparents

[primal seal]

That looks like enough for the next 5 summers 😂

Good selection, nonetheless

[ripe wasp]

yeah probably, although i’m already about halfway through hoffman kunze

using a pdf

[limber thunder]

really nice

just now I was meditating on whether to spend a bunch of money on the springer sale or not

all of these interest me and are on discount rn

[velvet dagger]

Hmm so maybe a good way of thinking about it is

If you're concluding that an operator is bounded because of the closed graph theorem

That's soft

If you're concluding that an operator is bounded because you bounded it

That's hard

[primal seal]

Is it just me, or are they allowing complimentary downloads of their books?

[small epoch]

what is a quarter inch smaller than 3.46 inches

[dire mulch]

I only have two of that.

Also where did you get that nice copy of Hoffman and kunze. My looks terrible.

Look at that nice specular reflection. That a brand new copy you have there.

[ripe wasp]

it was at a large bookstore place

i live in korea so i doubt you can go there

but

yeah it’s my first time even seeing books like these in an actual store in korea

[limber thunder]

there's a recent-ish edition of H-K, might be that one

also looks like it's paperback?

[ripe wasp]

most stores only had random books that looked like they were from the 18 th century or stewart’s calculus

[ripe wasp]

yeah

it was the only one they had

only dummit and foote was hardcover

unfortunate but i gotta make do with what’s there ig

[charred mortar]

Physical copies of math books are so expensive

[brittle socket]

One can simply get them in the totally legal way

[bright hill]

rudin

if you need any help with rudin, please feel free to ping me

I won't guarantee I'd be helpful

but at least we can mold together

[hushed turret]

mold

[bright hill]

gotta set their expectations right lmao

[toxic schooner]

i can hop in to mold together as well

[bright hill]

[calm frost]

rudin has a lot of resources and solutions

thats the good thing about it

bad thing about it is that it is old as f**k

and very unforgiving

[bright hill]

I think that's good tho

getting familiar with proofs early on

[calm frost]

but is it that impossibly hard?

like many students say

[bright hill]

I'm pretty sure all advanced texts aren't that different

[bright hill]

it's not impossibly hard

[calm frost]

not as self study but accompanied with resources like lecture vids

[bright hill]

but it IS quite hard

really, really hard

but doable

[toxic schooner]

idk man

i wont want anyone learning analysis for the first time to jump into rudin

[calm frost]

I'm using Lang/Abbott

[toxic schooner]

especially if they havent done much proofs

[calm frost]

they seem to be pretty accessible

[toxic schooner]

lang has an analysis book?

[calm frost]

yes

[toxic schooner]

apostols book is also amazing

[calm frost]

it has full solutions

[toxic schooner]

lovely book

😌

ooo

[calm frost]

written by shakarchi

[toxic schooner]

in the book itself?

damn

[calm frost]

no

[toxic schooner]

[torn willow]

SS?

[calm frost]

its sold separetly

[toxic schooner]

oh ok lol

[bright hill]

[calm frost]

I love Zorich book tho

but it does not have solutions

[toxic schooner]

but if it has solutions from the people from SS?

[calm frost]

making it not a good choice for first learners

[toxic schooner]

thats amazing

[toxic schooner]

popular book writers

who wrote 3 books on analysis

iirc

[torn willow]

4 books

[toxic schooner]

4? one was fourier, one was real, one was complex

whats the 4th one about

[calm frost]

what do you mean by ss?

shakarchi and stein?

yes its that shakarchi

[torn willow]

functional anal

is fourier easier than real and complex analysis?

[calm frost]

from my colleagues: depends on the professor

[toxic schooner]

idk

[calm frost]

the professor in my university teaches the whole book in 1 semester

[toxic schooner]

[calm frost]

and another professor teaches real analysis in 1 year

so technically fourier is harder in my school

[bright hill]

Oh

I was super confused what the Nazi police had to do with anything

[toxic schooner]

wha

[bright hill]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzstaffel

[toxic schooner]

[bright hill]

Lmao

[frail sail]

I heard the same word yesterday

[calm frost]

is rudin a must read in analysis

or can you just read other books like zorich/lang/tao and move on?

[hushed turret]

it's not a must read lol

there are a lot of different analysis books; you can read whatever fits you best

[bright hill]

for bragging right? yes

for anything else? not rlly

[calm frost]

oh ok

most book in intro mentions analysis in level of rudin as prerequisites

so I thought that the rigor in the level of rudin was mandatory

[brittle socket]

Other books can be just as rigorous

They just name rudin probably because its one of the most well known and established RA books

[hushed turret]

rudin is well known so it's a good benchmark
doesn't mean you can't get the same understanding from elsewhere

[brittle socket]

I have heard from ppl here that Apostol and Abbott is good so you can try those out with Rudin and see which you like the best i guess

[zealous stone]

Does anyone else use homework sets on course webpages to decide which problems to do when studying a topic from a book?

For example: https://www.math.tamu.edu/~ken.dykema/Teaching/608/

I find it really hard to search for assigned problems for a given book though

And I don't really know what problems to choose otherwise and I don't want to just do every single problem

[undone yew]

who decided this is a good idea????

may their tea always be cold

[bright hill]

brand new sentence lmfao

in britain it must be a slur

[wild marsh]

would anyone be able to help me in help channel 2?

[cyan goblet]

smth about shitty college student beer tho

it’s shit natty light or smth but still tastes kinda good cos ur w people

[deep mango]

🤨

[cyan goblet]

dont gimme that

[neat lintel]

Question : What else do we explore in ML save for decision trees?

[neat lintel]

save for decision trees?

What is that supposed to mean

Other than decision trees?

[cyan goblet]

yeah

[neat lintel]

Are u talking to me?

[cyan goblet]

yeah

[bright hill]

decision tree are like one of the least exciting parts of ML

[charred mortar]

isn't there a bunch of theory behind constructing trees?

[neat lintel]

Gotta realize, I'm a goddamn rookie in ML. . . .I got a good grade in intro, but I'm learning like. . . . 5 different technologies right now, and I'm trying to stoke myself up for ML.

[neat lintel]

"besides decision trees" is what it means....

[charred mortar]

like isn't it one of the main ML algorithms

[bright hill]

yes

[neat lintel]

Well, what are some of the MORE exciting parts? I'd like to know!

[charred mortar]

basically a form of nonlinear regression

[bright hill]

a myriad of things

[charred mortar]

yeah there's a lotta models

[bright hill]

I find generative models particularly interesting

but they're kinda technically to get into first hand

[neat lintel]

Ooooh, sounds cool. Wat dat?

[charred mortar]

neural networks, various forms of regression, nearest neighbors and their variants, etc.

[bright hill]

have you ever heard of thispersondoesntexist?

[neat lintel]

I remember neural networks now! I got introduced to that via mar.io.

[neat lintel]

Yeah!

[bright hill]

I wonder if the website is still up

[neat lintel]

Ml algos other decision trees

The main ML algorithms excluding deep learning are :

Support vector machines

K means clustering

[bright hill]

well, all of those faces were gotten from a generative model

[neat lintel]

K nearest neighours

and random forests and xgboost

[neat lintel]

Well I'm definitely looking on wikipedia for what a generative model is now.

The last two are modifications to decision trees

And are the main algorithms in ML

[neat lintel]

Ooooo traveling salesman.

Excluding DL

[bright hill]

lmao

[neat lintel]

In deep learning neutral networks and many artitectures of them

like some for sequence

Some for images

Some style transfer

Etc

[neat lintel]

I couldn't understand what's so funny in that

[bright hill]

I thought most modern ML research was concerned with DL

excluding DL is HUGE

[neat lintel]

And all we're doing with this shit is selling stuff and manipulating ads???

[neat lintel]

Yes they are but ML algorithms are also necessary

Deep learning is used when we have more data

Which now we do

Because of advancement of tech

[bright hill]

eh

it's more than just how much data you have

[neat lintel]

Not only reccomendations they generally don't use deep learning

They use k means clustering or knn

Probably

[neat lintel]

Hmmm. . .I see!

[bright hill]

for example, it's almost always better to NOT use nn for tabular data

[bright hill]

bruh

I'm not sure about that

[charred mortar]

it probably depends

[neat lintel]

Question : for ML to be effective, you need to typically feed it samples, right? Is this true for only decision trees? Or does this generally apply across the board for ML?

[bright hill]

no

only supervised learning requires real world data

which is also huge

[neat lintel]

https://www.quora.com/Which-algorithms-are-used-in-recommender-systems

Look here to get insite if u want

Don't ignore ML algorithms topic modelling still uses LDA which is not DL

[bright hill]

but you don't need data for reinforcement learning for example

[neat lintel]

That's true

But in general

When u have tabular data

Which not many columns

Try Ml algos

Deep learning neural networks overfit many times from my observation

In such cases

[bright hill]

note the age of these answers

[bright hill]

that's what I said #serious-discussion message

[neat lintel]

Oh i confused the too many nos

[neat lintel]

U mean they are old????

[bright hill]

I mean

ye

I think 2014 is pretty old for how fast ML is advancing

[neat lintel]

Ig the standard way for recomendation engines

Which I learnes

Is singluar value decomposition

[bright hill]

we had transformers in only 2017 and those are game changers

[bronze pelican]

So much interest in the history of logarithms

[neat lintel]

Damn!!!

[cyan goblet]

it was found in nature duh

[bright hill]

anyways, we digressed a bit too long

@neat lintel if you want to get motivated about learning ML you can watch a documentary or something

nowadays, ML is ubiquitous

[neat lintel]

Is it though. . .?

,w ubiquitous

[fathom swallow]

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[neat lintel]

Way I see it, small businesses need it to survive in a world of big ones.

When we have that, THEN its ubiquitous.

[bright hill]

you hardly can do anything on the internet without interacting with some ML algorithm

[neat lintel]

That honestly says more about the agencies who own the most web space than it does ML.

I mean doesn't Amazon have 60% of the web under its control?

[bright hill]

eh

[neat lintel]

through AWS?

[bright hill]

that's kinda irrelevant

[neat lintel]

its not. . . .

[bright hill]

they own the servers

[neat lintel]

Like at all. . ..

[bright hill]

but not what runs in them

[neat lintel]

Ask Jeff Bezos or his replacement.

[bright hill]

if the big guys are using ML they're probably using it for good reason, don't you think?

besides, ML doesn't only have applications in the industry

[neat lintel]

Well if u won the server then u kinda can control the website

Even if a bit

Sure, but what I mean to say is that the BIG guys are ubiquitous.

ML ? Eh, not exactly.

Its a tool used by the ubiquitous and used by them a lot, but its not used by the populace.

Google is ubiquitous because its used by the populace. As is Amazon and Walmart.

Anyways, that's my ted talk. Gonna find that documentary after Coursera and meditating.

[cyan goblet]

ml is ubiquitous, you just often don’t notice it

[neat lintel]

True

[bright hill]

that's like saying code isn't ubiquitous coz not everyone codes

[bright hill]

that's what I'm saying

[neat lintel]

But ML is kinda hard

It's difficult to digest some math concepts ngl

[bright hill]

true, but irrelevant

[neat lintel]

Its not ubiquitous though. . . .To comptuer scientists its ubiquitous, to businesses in tech its definitely ubiquitous.

But code isn't everywhere. . .

[neat lintel]

Dude what

[cyan goblet]

do you live under a rock

[neat lintel]

Is code on a farm?

Is code in a gym?

How did u just sent that message

[cyan goblet]

yes

yes

[neat lintel]

How is code on a farm?

How is code in a gym?

[cyan goblet]

farmers use ml to control inventory

[neat lintel]

It nowadays is

[cyan goblet]

look at their plants

[neat lintel]

Dude, what???

[cyan goblet]

control sprinklers

[neat lintel]

Ur literally talking to me

[cyan goblet]

gym membership systems use code

[bright hill]

everyone interacts with physics daily but not everyone is isaac newton

[neat lintel]

Using all that javascript

[bright hill]

does that mean physics isn't ubiquitous in our lives?

[neat lintel]

Alright, guess you're right.

[neat frost]

Lmfao programming most useless thing in today’s society

[cyan goblet]

true!

[neat lintel]

Delete discord then?

[neat frost]

Thank you!

[cyan goblet]

this is a hunting and gathering society anyways tbh

[neat lintel]

It's a creation of code

[cyan goblet]

im gonna go hunt and gather soon

who wants to come with

[bright hill]

hello slurp

[neat frost]

I don’t see how you got from point A to point B

[cyan goblet]

perhaps today i shall find an elk!

[neat frost]

Hello DarQ!

Ryc!

[neat lintel]

Discord is just a bunch of code

Seevers

[deep mango]

Anamono i hope your head is okay this morning

[neat frost]

Good morning!

[cyan goblet]

it is very good

[neat lintel]

And developers work

[cyan goblet]

i got home safe and am not hungover

[deep mango]

Sharkpog

[neat lintel]

[cyan goblet]

just a bit sleepy

[deep mango]

Wow

Actually you know what

Fuck you

[neat frost]

So…? I hope you understand why that’s a shitty argument

[deep mango]

Im jealous

[cyan goblet]

look at these cats they had!

[neat lintel]

When the mod cusses

[cyan goblet]

so cute

[deep mango]

Cute

[neat frost]

Ryc!

Good morning!

Don’t ignore me!

Please!

[neat lintel]

Cuteness overloaded

[neat frost]

I feed on attention!

[deep mango]

Next time post in #cats thanks.

[cyan goblet]

oops

[deep mango]

Hi Darq. Hi pi creatue.

Lets see who else is here

[neat lintel]

pi creature yes

[bright hill]

hello ryc

[deep mango]

Hi darth guappi

[neat lintel]

3b1bs pi creatures

[deep mango]

Hi ptyamin

[neat frost]

God fucking dammit ryc

[deep mango]

Oh ab was here too. Hi ab

[neat frost]

I’m gonna go get blo’s attention then

[neat lintel]

Ok first ryc a mod cussed now a member

[deep mango]

Who cussed?

[bright hill]

wut

[cyan goblet]

i see no cuss words

[bright hill]

[neat lintel]

Wait what

[cyan goblet]

if i did, i would tell my mom immediately

[neat frost]

Cussing is a-okie here, why are you commenting on it

[neat lintel]

What's this

[cyan goblet]

a statement

[deep mango]

Oh shit a bunch of messages just loaded for me. Wow

[neat lintel]

The second word

[cyan goblet]

again if i saw a cuss word i would tell my mother

[deep mango]

I'm sorry for ignoring you shuri please forgive me

[cyan goblet]

yet i do not see any

[bright hill]

[neat lintel]

Time to bring the cuss detector I trained

[bright hill]

ryc chill

you're gonna break them

[fair mural]

@long matrix uwu

[neat lintel]

I thought the person u tagged left the server

She is still there

Didn't knew it

[fair mural]

shuri is a he

[neat lintel]

Oh ok ok mb

[deep mango]

Shuri leaving as if

Remember you're here forever

[neat lintel]

Nah!

I will die someday

[deep mango]

I dont plan to

[neat lintel]

Oh wait my infinite digits don't end

How can I die

[dire mulch]

Ok I feel like bots don’t like me.

[bright hill]

who plans for their death? lmao

[dire mulch]

Another person with active role.

[neat lintel]

Depressed people

[bright hill]

[deep mango]

Plegasus has a capitalized P again

[neat lintel]

Who wants to commit suicide

[bright hill]

shit you're right

[neat lintel]

those people

[dire mulch]

I was deciding which I liked more.

[deep mango]

People make wills and funeral plans and stuff

People got so pissy when I changed ryc to RYC

[bright hill]

cringe

[flat harbor]

lowercase username superiority

[deep mango]

Apparently it was aggressive

Imagine Blo loool

[flat harbor]

if u change it back to RYC i will give u smth to be uppercase abt

ure not even capital u tryna be like NYC or summn nah fam u shittin bru

[deep mango]

Im changing it to RYC

[flat harbor]

dont :(

[bright hill]

dat ugly

[flat harbor]

nooOoOoOO

[deep mango]

It's very aesthetic

[fair mural]

RyC

[flat harbor]

it sucks

its the opposite of aesthetic

[bright hill]

[deep mango]

I had this for a bit to imitate ShiN

[flat harbor]

its clunky out of place and ugly

[dire mulch]

Also ryu what the hell does you name say?

[fair mural]

ryc = ryu

[bright hill]

and shin in turn was imitating me

[dire mulch]

The longer version.

[deep mango]

I really like that plegasus calls me ryu

It's so funny

[neat frost]

Ryc

[cyan goblet]

ryu like that one character

[neat frost]

I hope you weren’t referring to me when you said “Shuri”

[deep mango]

There's another active ryu on this server

[bright hill]

ok Ryc is just bad

[neat frost]

If you were, I’m blocking you.

[cyan goblet]

from that fighter platformer

[bright hill]

it's objectively bad

[deep mango]

No no no no I wasnt

[bright hill]

don't use Ryc

[neat frost]

Good.

[deep mango]

I did Ryc for a bit

It is terrible

[bright hill]

it is

[flat harbor]

lmao ure just a shuri clone slurp

cope

[deep mango]

Ran Yakumo's Chalkboard

[flat harbor]

shuri gets a blue_heart from me

[deep mango]

Ran yakumo is a mathematician/physicist from the Touhou games

[bright hill]

slurp is just shuri at home

[sleek wing]

a side ref

[dire mulch]

Oh I see thank you.

[deep mango]

But it was more of a backronym

[fair mural]

weeb

[deep mango]

The point was to be ryc

[dire mulch]

My name was supposed to be the name of the winged horse. But I misspelled it.

[deep mango]

Touhou isnt weeb

I like that

[fair mural]

touhou has anime girls

that’s weeb

[bright hill]

[cyan goblet]

pegasus like the beyblade

[deep mango]

My parents mispelled my middle name, they mixed up a standard name with the spelling of a word

So my middle name is a word

And I really like that

[bright hill]

I don't have a middle name

[long matrix]

???????????????

[cyan goblet]

i have two i will give you one

[deep mango]

It's a much better word than the name was a name

[bright hill]

shuri

[bright hill]

[deep mango]

Don't make me explain this or slurp might block me

[bright hill]

what's it gonna be?

[dire mulch]

You know what I think I switch back to lower case for my name. So I can be an analyst.

[cyan goblet]

hmm

you can have yao

[deep mango]

Lol

[cyan goblet]

dar yao q

[deep mango]

Maybe lowercase names are analysis tier

Hmm

[bright hill]

[bright hill]

unironically, it has a ring to it

[fair mural]

@long matrix hi uwu

[cyan goblet]

it does dont it

[bright hill]

[deep mango]

I like the lowercase p

[dire mulch]

you, gomez, cocat, c^2, potato, well not Antole, deriva something, washingtonbear, etc

[deep mango]

True

[bright hill]

poor quantum

[deep mango]

deriva something

Lol

[cyan goblet]

deriva shawarma

[flat harbor]

trolled

[fair mural]

@limber thunder hi deriva something

[cyan goblet]

oh i could go for a shawarma rn

[deep mango]

Finally he stopped simping for Wew

[flat harbor]

ive heard abt the shawarmas

they sound very good

[cyan goblet]

so good

so so so so so good

[deep mango]

I also would like shawarma

[bright hill]

it was ironic simping

[deep mango]

[cyan goblet]

the middle east really knows how to do food

[toxic schooner]

[dire mulch]

Can we bring back Kanga Gang.

[toxic schooner]

No never

[flat harbor]

no

[bright hill]

no please

[flat harbor]

why do users of this discord server have a knack for bad dead jokes

[fair mural]

what was kanga gang again

[dire mulch]

You have been here longer than me quantum.

[deep mango]

Kanga gang was... uhhh

[flat harbor]

the horse died

[deep mango]

Chmonkey kind of

[flat harbor]

stop

[deep mango]

Umm

[cyan goblet]

chmolumbia baby

[bright hill]

mathematics server lore

[neat frost]

Blo.. why would you do this to me…..

[bright hill]

no continue please

[flat harbor]

its ok shuri has purple name now

[cyan goblet]

oh hangover is coming in a little late but it’s coming

maybe i take a nap

[flat harbor]

i miss hangovers

[deep mango]

A prolific server user said something lascivious about kanga from the winnie the pooh franchise

[cyan goblet]

i am dizzy

[flat harbor]

my pooh personality test

[fair mural]

chmonkey yes

[dire mulch]

Well cya, I got work and lazy weekend is over.

[fair mural]

rip

by plegasus

[flat harbor]

its monday tomwo..

horriblé...

[deep mango]

And developed it into a fanclub, which spread to people who did not know what fanclub they were joining

[flat harbor]

lowmath user challenge : dont mindlessly join the bandwagon

[bright hill]

:bruh:

[flat harbor]

why isnt anyone joining the bandwagon of blo strawberry huh??

[deep mango]

Then I guess it turned into a mafia, and then fell apart due to internal conflict

[fair mural]

i don’t change my nickname ❤️

[flat harbor]

uderstadable

[fair mural]

uwu

[flat harbor]

then this bastard RYC has no excuse

[fair mural]

i uwud shuri

i didn’t get an uwu back