#serious-discussion
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I don't think this is cursed tbh
Transcendence degree takes the place of dimension, for countable algebraically closed fields you have transcendence degree a finite cardinal or omega
you can say C is the unique algebraically closed field of char 0 up to isomorphism with cardinality of the continuum but that's forgetting a lot of what makes C good imo
Then for cardinals above the continuum transcendence degree = dimension
this quote may or maynot be relevant
Yeah that's a good quote
That fact that transcendence degree works so well makes me happy
most based
If Q is so basic why can't we figure out if Hilbert's 10th problem for Q is decidable while we know for sure it's decidable for \bar Q
Q is also simultaneously the most interesting and fascinating field you could study
Number theory is pretty badass
L functions are super cool
L functions got me really interested in analysis and then dynamics
tell me something cool about L functions
i have an analytic number theory exam in a week and feel no motivation to study for it
give me something cool
Tbh i don't know much Bout them
I'm reading Daniel Bump automorphic forms and representations and one of the immediate goals of that book its to get functional equations for L functions associated to modular forms and then also Euler products
I don't know why this is desirable but its something u can do
BTW the L function of a modular form is just given by taking the Fourier coefficients of the modular form and using that sequence as the coefficients of your dirichlet series
A "normalized Hecke eigenform" is a very special modular form that comes from number theory (the discriminat modular form is an example)
So yeah, just like the Euler product formula for the Riemann zeta function, you can also get Euler products for L functions associated to (special) modular forms (called normalized hecke eigenforms)
I actually don't even know why you care about these L functions in the first place, but there's that
If someone knows why L functions are interesting/important let me know
i mean in which way do you mean why, do you mean why as in, in what ways are they important, or why as in, for what reason are they important
Both
Me when eigentheory:
Hecke
im pretty sure theres a mathoverflow answer for this that is probably better
@bronze pelican are you happy about L-functions from arithmetic?
For instance given an elliptic curve you have the Hasse-Weil L-function
The most voted answer doesn't really explain anything
No I havnt learned about these
several people
a_p(E) is solutions to E mod p
p+1 - #E(F_p)
And 1_N(p) is 1 is p doesn't divide N and 0 otherwise
I'm partial to Iversen bracket notation: $[p\nmid N]$
Oh tru Icy
Icy001
although that's not in popular usage yet in this case
Oh N is the conductor of the elliptic curve btw
But yeah point being I can attach an L-function and I might care about e.g. meromorphic continuation and functional euation
The way you prove this is basically modularity
You associate this elliptic curve to a Hecke eigenform whose Fourier coefficients are the a_p(E)
And you know those guys have meromorphic continuation/functional euation
You're doing the same thing
You have someone you care about [elliptic curve, modular form, number field, dirichlet character] and then you associate an L function to it
For God knows what reason
An then you start proving analytic continuation , functional equation, and euler products for it
But who cares, why do you are about this object
?
Birch-Swinnerton Dyer is an example
Big conjecture, states the rank of an elliptic curve is the order of vanishing of the L-function at s=1
But yeah I thought you were chill with arithmetically defined L-functions and wondered why we cared about automorphic ones, rather than just not being sure at all
Like I just don't get the philosophy behind L functions
BSD is a big conjecture that relates the behavior of a certain L function to the arithmetic of an elliptic curve , sure
i dont know a ton of theory like geometry and such but i really liked the artin L function
this is a relatively unsophisticated function but i found its connection to galois theory very illuminating
the L functions sort of become more and more sophisticated by incorporated more math and the part i studied was mostly having to do with ramification and where abstract algebra starts playing a big role
basically part of an L function incorporates the ambient algebra of the fields it is defined over
as they generalize more and more you see more reasons why L functions must work in the simplest case
which is good because it is kind of unclear for a while why they work
It might be that we care about L functions of lots of objects because they might give us clues about BSD and even the Riemann hypothesis
also the artin L function plays the same role L functions do for the integers and complex plane, which is cool and requires this higher idea of primality which is v cool
I liked Dedekind zeta functions
yeah
all those classic ones are cool i didnt get enough in the geometry to go further
Dedekind zeta functions are just a generalization fo the Riemann zeta function to number fields
Like the dedekind zeta function for the field Q is the Riemann zeta function
And in general, the dedekind zeta functions for the nunebr field K is
Yeah I mean, I think the correct answer is that they carry a lot of nice info
So yeah for example Dedekind zeta functions have an analytic class number formula
i like them because they are the archetype of unintuitive analysis results
And that is pretty much the value of L(chi,1) for appropriate chi
Yes the whole reason i started learning about dedekind zeta function was to prove the analytic class number formula
This gives non-vanishing of L-functions at 1, which in turn gives Dirichlet's theorem on arithmetic progressions
From Langlands, these kinds of L-functions are "GL1" L-functions
While those attached to automorphic forms/elliptic curves are GL2 L-functions
The euler product for dedekind zeta functions is just a consequence of or even restatement of the fact that there's unquie factorization fo ideal of a number ring into prime ideals
Yeah
it really is beautiful
And in fact the product formula basically boils down to understanding ramification
What do you mean
So let's say chi is the Dirichlet character that tells you whether or not you're 1 mod 4
several people
How do you prove this? Compare Euler products
oh yeah it has all these easy identities
On the LHS you have a product over prime ideals in Q(i), well you can ask which primes they lie over
i did a presentation on this stuff once
And pretty much the point is that if a rational prime p is, say inert, then the norm of the ideal (p) in Q(i) is just p^2
Right?
several people
all this advanced posting and it's not even the advanced lounge
Looking back in Marcus
He only proved class number formula for abelian number fields ?
several people
And ramified prime cancels out
So product formula is basically saying, oh hey turns out chi(p) = 1 when p is unramified, and it's -1 when p is inert, and that's precisely based on what's up mod 4
K is an abelian number field, G is the galois group Gal(K/Q), G-hat is the dual group Hom(G,C*) = characters of G
m is the conductor(?) of K
f_p is the inertial degree of a prime p that ramifies in K
r_p is the number of primes in K that lie over p
Yeah this formula is a special case of that above screenshot
When K = Q(i)
Here m = 4, the only ramified prime is 2, it has inertial degree 1, and there is exactly 1 prime lying over it. There's only 1 nontrivial character for the galois group Gal(Q(i)/Q)
Cool
Anyway, I like dedekind zeta functions because they pretty much paralel the riemann zeta function, but are for number fields. And just like the Riemann zeta function, their behavior tells you about the distribution of primes (or prime ideals in a number ring)
So if you accept the riemann zeta function is an important thing to study, and you buy its connection yo the distribution of primes, then studying dedekind zeta functions are also motivated in the same way
Also the class number formula motivated dedekind zeta functions
And I guess BSD motivates Hasse-Weil L functions
Yeah I think BSD is the correct answer, plus in hindsight the Langlands program
Dirichlrt theorem on arithmetic progs motivates dirichlet L functions
Idk how to motivate l functions associated to modular forms , except that ramanujan found this really nice euler product for the L function associated to discriminant modular form
Artin L functions sound cool but I don't know what they are
What is the unifying theme behind L functions, other than they have functional equations and euler products
How could you come up with your own L function if you wanted to
Check out the Weil conjectures also
That I think is a good reason to like L-functions
I think Selberg tried to define "the general L-function"
Well for elliptic curves you get a lot of information like rank I think
From the L function
Nvm dami just said that
Nvm this convo happened hours ago
Hey it's the YouTuber
alephnull stole my name
Wait is that actually him
@sly thistle
Sorry to ping lol curious
Hahaha look who I found trying to look for his channel
We found Mr. Digital Maestro 😎
Can you sum functions?
That
ok I mean
Can you sum over function classes/types (I mean that as a normal person word, not a type theory thing)??
Like sigma f: V->V but with more restrictive codomain and domain
Or maybe like sum all the elements of a set whose members are functions that meet some more specific criteria
Just curious what this means
I’m not sure how else to understand this
“Sum of norm of all functions that map gamma-delta x to x^2…angle of primes???”
LOL
Someone enlighten me that sounds ridiculous when I say it out loud
it's a meme
Guys ! What do you think, am I right ?? 🤔
I think under most reasonable definitions of a like S isn’t a line
It’s a curve
But not a line
Yeah : )
I think it’s less to do with its length though and the fact it isn’t straight lol
If I asked someone to draw me a line and they drew an S I’d look at them like 
S would be a line, if your definition of line was 2D.
if the S was very very large and you were standing on the S you would have no way to tell that you were on an S and not a line

A manifold is just R^n bro!


fax
Xd
$R^{\pi}$
Master Butler
forgor
just need to do \bR even
the bot here is set up automagically
Oh okay
a handful of convenient packages are used, idk all of them or if it's documented in the bot help or what
no \bF sadly
$\mathbb{R^{\pi}}$
quantum
LOCAL = GLOBAL
hi feather owo
hi quantypoo
S is a family of lines in S
ueuwyww
Go for it! If it's homework (or the type of problem that could very well be a homework one) read #❓how-to-get-help and follow the instructions
alrighty, thanks!
yet we still say "Line integral"
i'mg goin joiker mode
nice
Because I refuse to do a line integral I don’t plan to use the residue theorem on
i say "path integral" even tho this is just wrong and used in physics to mean something different
Someone once asked what the difference between a line integral and contour integral is
And my answer was that contour integral means you plan to use the residue theorem

cries in level sets
Does anyone have any good math prayers I can recite to the math gods? I have my analysis exam in couple of hours.
I need to conjure a miracle.
URGENT!
Okay I wrote one
Hallowed be thy calculus.
Thy theorems come.
Thy will be proved,
As it is in the Textbook.
Help us remember our formulas
And forgive us for our blunders,
as we forgive our professors,
for making us use δ-ϵ
And lead us not to unsolved problems,
but deliver us from unfair exams. Amen```
URGENT!
@wooden dirge cauchy did not invent calculus
it was newton
:)
and hence a debate started in #serious-discussion and lasted for 5 hours while gmod was in class
liebniz invented calculus
and the debate that is absolutely useless begins
I like bacon a lot but there are better meats in certain occasions
bacon is very overrated
chicken gang
chicken gang
chicken gang?
chicken gang
guys, what's the most sullied message?
dan
what does sullied mean?
everyone denies it but it basically means bruh
does all of sg except math use dan?
(idk, i only joined math and physics)
what is "dan" even referring to
danned or sullied
the thing is that the verb sully also fits incredibly well
i would argue it borders on brilliance


This is the first time in a while that my physics exercise series has felt trivial 😌
...
that thread in pins is comedy gold
math rock is like
super confusing time signatures, lots of weird rhythmic patterns, lots of weird harmonies
it's what it sounds like i guess
it's kind of cool, but in a lot of ways it is also just like... gratuitous i guess
so true
is that real math

i think if you remove the word "martingale-valued" it becomes real math
though i'm not the person to ask
do you like animals as leaders?
idk what that is
if you recommend me a song you can find out whether i'll call it garbage
i’m still surprised you didn’t call the songs i sent you garbage
ryc at least slightly approves of my taste

well i'm used to the music i'm recommended here causing me physical pain
this feels like a targeted attack
moth
you know what i must do
i hope you aren’t annoyed at this point
it actually sent very quickly this time
surprising
ok i’m actually starting to get tired of this lol
:mothday:
:mothday:
oh yes

moth day
this is amazing
20
What
about the equationt^2 = 2h/g :
I want to use this for projectile motion. My friends say that t = the entire time the projectile is in the air, from launch to ground.
I think t = half of that, or time between launch and reaching max height
who's in the wrong?
how did you come to this formula?
s = h = ut + ½at2
= 0t + ½gt2
So h = ½gt2
Which gives
t2 = 2h/g
reverse engineering it, looks like h= gt^2/2 which is what you'd expect if you were to drop an object with no initial velocity a distance of h
so my friends are wrong ?
your description is entirely off
sounds about right
it starts at the max height according to this working out
I'm trying to calculate gravity based on height and time for context, for a projectile launched straight up
well when it falls back down
should be the same for both up and down from max height
just reversed ?
you should have explained that then
idk what to explain, this is probably so simple and I'm confused over nothing
yeah it's right, then you want to double the time cause you've halved the time by starting at the halfway point
you can check by working it out both ways and comparing answers
so which option would get the accurate gravity if we know the t from launch to landing?
dividing t/2 right?
not sure what you mean
ok
so i should treat the projectile motion as if it is just a drop then
from max height h to 0. where we know the t for the full trajectory, but can divide by 2 to get long it falls for
that sounds about right
ok good
cause i was being told I should be using t for the full trajectory in that equation and that just doesn't make much sense
I've been good, just quit my job to move
On the lookout for a new job; wifey has been pressuring me to program so I'm caving and trying to do some C++
Waiting to hear back from PhD program
Oh ok
C++ feels like it'll be painful based on my memory of C
c++ goodddd
Idk man segfaults aren't great for mental health
ok Fair
yea it is more painful lol
i just found polymorphism and inheritance hard
we did cpp right after c
Idk those lol
eh those aren't that bad
C++ is primarily painful when you run into type errors in doing too much templating -- and in the annoyances of STL boilerplate that they are slowly reducing in newer versions (use C++20 if you can). If you do things "the C++ way," with vectors and not C-style arrays; strings and not C-strings; smart pointers and RAII not manual memory management; then you shouldn't run into many segfaults.
Interesting, what are C-strings in contrast to strings?
But yeah if C++ has its own memory management and smart pointers that helps a fair bit. Since you seem to know about this, I'd also like to ask what your impressions are on the different versions of C (at least the prominent ones, I mostly know of C, C++, and C#). And how they all compare to Python
C-strings are an array of characters terminated by a NUL character (\0)
This causes problems to no end in C
C# is, like Java and Python, the same ALGOL family, but it's not really related. Microsoft just needed a response to getting sued for J++.
I would say that C# is to C as JavaScript is to Java -- i.e. it's not.
Gotcha
Do you think C++ is just an improvement™️ over C? Or are there some drawbacks?
C++ is primarily an improvement because of the addition of namespaces, better type safety, better memory safety (if you use certain features), and the STL. Scoped enums are also nice.
You don't really lose anything by using C++, it's not strictly a superset of C. C and C++ committees continue advancing the languages separately. But, for the most part, anything in C is better when compiled as C++.
Gotcha. I might try out C++ then, and/or Python. I've been traumatized by C lol
Honestly might just go back to Russian School of Math
In other news I'm supposed to be published soon
?
Supposedly I'm getting published in a journal
For a math paper
along with my research mentor
Analysis & PDEs
Send after it is published if you can, if you do not mind the name doxx.
I do mind the name doxx
Cool!
A lot of people dislike me here for my political beliefs
Oohh.
I'm afraid if my name got out then people would try to cancel me
take away funding, etc.
Well you can send in DMs if you like.
Someone I know let their name slip out, and ppl were calling their school/advisor to not work with them
etc.
Yes, it is
I don't recognize your name, if you're someone I trust I'll share it with you
Uh sure.
I do not know most stuff in the subject.
But I want a further glance into research papers.
Have I told you the story about that shitty research paper I wrote?
I can recommend some papers for you to read if you're interested in Analysis & PDEs
Well basically in early 7th grade(almost 1.5 years ago) there was this guy who was acting all big and all.
So he started a course on research paper writing.
I enrolled in it and the fees was high af.
You're in like 8th-9th grade?
At the end I published this research paper in a shitty journal.
LMAO
That's funny
On Dyson Spheres and Dyson Swarms.
I mean when you apply to like REUs or HS research programs
Oh.
That is the first time in my life I actually got almost scammed.
Or rather got scammed.
yeah, it happens
Like you need at least advanced calculus for any sort of real research.
I don't think that's true
More?
Oooo.
I can send the paper but that will dox my name and school.
Wait I'ma just send images of the paper.
Most of the math stuff was done by my partner who was 2 years older than me and I know very less math back then
.
Here.
You left me hanging there.
yUh
Looks neatO
You read?
yUh
late but cafo
Oh wow, I was reading about those a few days ago. That's really cool.
Are you a physics major?
Ah, then allow me to rephrase: prospective physics major?
who does that
messes with a ppls irl because of discord lmao
ever seen twitter/fb?

only thing that's different with discord is that 1) no real name attached usually and 2) hard to track your history through diff servers
me with random people with nothing better to do 

Thank You!
Yes probably if not Math.
Wow!!
Looks pretty cool!
Nice. I take it you have an interest in cosmology, given that your report was on dyson spheres. I was reading something interesting today about imaginary time.
imaginary time?
Oh.
Tell me about it.
(Also that paper was like 1.5 years ago and most of the math part was done by my partner).
Do you mean this literally or figuratively?
(Sorry, I'm incompetent with socializing)
Uh like tell me about the idea?
Literally I suppose.
Like me
!
Imaginary time is exceptionally useful in avoiding certain complications that arise in the expansion models of our universe with ordinary time, at the point of a singularity, at which the laws of physics begin to degrade. In this, we can imagine all events in ordinary time to be happening simultaneously (mathematically, we can visualize this as a new axis of time perpendicular to our "real-time"), not unlike Feynman's model of a particle's path with respect to time as a "sum through histories". Because of this, we can just avoid the notion of a singularity all together, because in this "imaginary time", coined as euclidean spacetime, because in this, it is just like another point.
Hawking gives a great analogy for this with a Friedmann diagram in A Brief History of Time.
I can try and find a summary on google, if ya don't wanna read the book.
@gentle bay
Woah " all events in ordinary time to be happening simultaneously".
What is Feynman's particle path model?
Hmmm. So you broke relativity?
Oh.
He calls it the "sum through histories", which basically posits that particles do not have one history, but share every possible history given by their wave functions.
Woah what????????!
Uh, not really. Relativistic principles are still abided by, it just allows us to surmount the obstacles given by a singularity.
Oh.
It's pretty interesting stuff lol.
F I mostly stopped studying Pop-Science around 1 year ago.
To learn real math.
To one day complete Calculus and Differential Equations.
And then Do REAL Physics!!!!
I've decided to get back into math recently too.
I need to work on group theory more, in order to understand certain kinds of symmetries in physics.
Cool!
Ayo, it's nice that there's other kids here who are into stuff like math and physics.
What math are you doing rn?
16 but working on group theory 
But- share their own histories? Stuff which did not happen to them are in their history?
guess we’re all pretty young lol
See yourself you are pro at Math too.
Yeah.... I usually don't share my age. Perhaps it was a mistake.
why would it matter lol
Gonna start Calculus soon.
- Started this book called "Mathematical Circles".
Idk. People tend to be more willing to talk to me about technical topics before I share the fact that I'm a high schooler.
It also incorporates virtual particle interactions, not just tangible ones.
Combinatorics, Probability, Some Geometry and Inequalities, etc.
Speaking of virtual particles,
Woahhow.
Heard of them but dunno.
Unless you do good work.
Great, ground-breaking work.
Yes?
Well, if we think about a single particle and its wavefunction, the position it will occupy is chosen by said wavefunction, and the particle we trace is considered "tangible", because it is measurable, but the many worlds interpretation claims that the other possible positions it could occupy under said distribution still exist as mere fluctuations, or virtual particles, which we cannot detect under ordinary circumstances, but their interference is still observed.
And in special cases, they can even pop into existence!
Ohhh.
Yo whaaaaaaat!
But then Conservation of Matter and Energy????
Wait.
What.
So in this are they even real or just in though experiment?
Take for example right outside the event horizon of a black hole, if the gravitational pull is strong enough, vacuum fluctuations of virtual particle-antiparticle pairs that momentarily pop into existence then re-annihilate can be torn apart. One virtual particle/antiparticle will be sucked into the black hole by its intense pull, and the other will be ejected outwards, making it so that they can no longer annihilate and are trapped in our "tangible" world. The ejected particle is said to have positive energy, and appears to be emitted from the black hole, being called Hawking Radiation, and the other has negative energy, being sucked into the black hole, causing it too to lose energy, and hence mass, per the mass energy equivalency.
That's where the black hole evaporation concept comes from.
Still preserved.
Woah how.
I just explained.
Oohh.
Yeah I have heard about Hawking Radiation.
WOAH!
CRAZY!
Yes.
I want to.
But without the adequate math.
I can not.
So yeah I have been stuck with math for like the past 1 year.
Oof, if it makes you feel any better, I'm not great at math, but I still understand this stuff fairly well.
Did Algebra 1, most of Algebra 2, about half of HS Geometry, and some of PreCalculus.
F I will need to revise stuff I forgot so much in Algebra 2 and PreCalculus.
But wait. I did not actually do PreCalculus.
Mehh.
To understand it conceptually, not much advanced math is needed for this, because there are several intuitive explanations that are out there.
But then why are you doing Category Theory
.
To get a technical understanding is where super advanced math is needed.
Yeah I have this book called "Conceptual Physics by Paul G. Hewitz".
I said I was doing group theory, not category theory.
Oh yeah that.
Also, my reasoning is because the symmetries explored in modern physics are very complex, and I want to be able to understand it more.
I'm very much a novice with group theory, because my entire scope of experience with it is just a few youtube videos and lessons I've read online.
But you know Calculus and stuff, right?
Yea.
See.
i'm still in school; and no one will answer so can you guys pls tell me what is calculus
the math of change
It is the study of change....and area?
Well yeah change.
not area
Yeah.
Integrals is just calculate with area.
I used to think Calculus was just approximations.
they can do other things but yes that is one of the things they can do
Now I know it is accurate and clever af approximations.
Idk I have learnt way too less in Calculus.
taylor series moment
Every time I hear the taylor series, I think of the girl in my class who smells like tunafish.
Her name is taylor.
I can't read about it without thinking of her.
;-;
That is the next video I am going to watch in the 3B1B playlist after Higher-order derivatives.
AAAA 3b1b is great.
I mean he saved my life and sanity once.
i suggest you just do calculus instead of watching 3b1b
Idk like 3 weeks ago?
Quantum.
I will do real Calculus after 3B1B series.
From a real textbook.
Stewart's.
Mainly, I just watch those videos for fun.
You know I regret buying Stewart's.
isn’t stewarts calculus like really hard
It's not the kind of thing one takes notes on.
and advanced
Freaking boring + idk + toooo thick book.
wouldn't make sense its a standard text for high scool/early undergrad
you are thinking of spivak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLkz5LGWihw&list=PLZHQObOWTQDMsr9K-rj53DwVRMYO3t5Yr&index=11
Errr this is so small.
A very quick primer on the second derivative, third derivative, etc.
Next chapter: https://youtu.be/3d6DsjIBzJ4
3blue1brown is a channel about animating math, in all senses of the word animate. And you know the drill with YouTube, if you want to stay posted about new videos, subscribe, and click the bell to receive notific...
what’s baroque?
classical classical
do you like any modern music?
for some reason i feel like that could be interpreted as me being rude lol
How do people like classical music?
Eh, it's fine.
It's just a compound that's similar to DDT.
Since dichlorodiphenyltriethane wouldn't fit in the username category.
Oh.

I listen to it for the analysis.
And, because I'm a conservatory student and I have to for my academics.
Yeah, tons of it.
Mainly what I look for in music is creative counterpoints and clever structure, and it's not exclusively limited to classical music, just prevalent there.
sounds like you put lots of thought into what you add to your playlist
i just add whatever sounds good, as long as it doesn’t have lil pump type lyrics
(yea, don't look at all the weeb shit I have though)
Futaba best girl.
can’t comment on it since i haven’t seen that anime
I need an anime girl who talks about Laplace's demon with me.
The principles they bring up in that show are actually valid.
is that referring to laplace the mathematician or something else?
Yea.
Laplace's demon is an analogy used in superdeterminism.
It goes something along the lines of: if you knew the position and velocity of every particle in the universe, one could effectively predict the future.
It's refuted ofc by Heisenberg's uncertainty principle.
But it's still cute coming from an anime girl.
- no
- if people ask me to help them i will do the opposite
you shouldn’t say that
@fair mural don't help me
roatdw and 123four if this isn't an inside joke please chill lol
My middle school made us listen to a lot of Mozart because "The Mozart Effect" was published. Also, we were a magnet school for band geeks.
So there were only 150 students and we all had concert band.
I played the flute through middle school and into high school.
cringe
they would like play Mozart before math tests in hopes that it would make us do better.
i love how complicated that compound sounds, but how actually simple it is (in the sense that its just telling what what groups are present there)

Oh my.
NoStarch has a whole set of them. https://nostarch.com/catalog/manga
there are plenty but I have been told by some1 who has read them(calc and LA) they are not really good at its job
probably a flaw in design

theyre left-to-right
thats all i know about them
but it seems like the weirdest fucking choice
is your target audience not weebs
but the authors from what I have heard are japanese?
math notation in general would make more sense if it was right-to-left
obligatory (x)f
So maths isn’t a manga? Thank fuck
the fact that a map A —f→ B —g→ C is written g\circ f
is really dumb
f \circ g is far more natural
only if x is also to the left of f
exactly my point
i do understand and partially agree
this is the same thing that makes german numbers considerably cursed
is this in the zoph whatever (probably not, but i'm still going to ask anyways)
ivory post thats too sinful for public eyes
Can't you just flip the arrows you're using to describe your maps from A to B to C rather than changing your composition notation?
huh
you can, but you then have the same problem that you write in one direction and read in the opposite
im still confused
So instead of A->B do B<-A basically.
Yah I see that now.
that works in arabic
really is the based way of doing it
like
how much time have I even lost
writing from right to left

and Im used to it
but it never goes away

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Hello! Can someone help me with my homework?
Which Mozart pieces?
My personal favorite is his sonata for two pianos in D mov I.
That was more than 20 years ago.
Ah, I see.
I am 37.
Well, did it work? How significant was its effect on you? :trole:
so middle school was about 25 years ago.
I was two grades ahead in math in elementary school, I remained two grades ahead in math. So it didn't hurt.
In 8th grade, three of us actually bused from the middle school to the junior high, where they had a course in trigonometry for advanced 9th graders.
The beauty of IUPAC names.
I don't remember what I did 9th grade. I took AP Calc 10th grade. Then I went to college and did first year Calc in 11th grade.
I go to school in New York, so the education here isn't great. A grade ahead here is basically just what the rest of the country does on average.
I just take math through the local college now in 11th grade, since my high school doesn't have what I need.
Nah, in NY they have 9th graders taking alg 1 on average.
that is absolutely normal
that was even the standard in NJ, which has one of the best school systems in the country
(though idk if it was the average, it was just the route you did if you didn't try to speed it up at all)
when i was in HS in a very good district in NJ, the options for 9th graders were algebra 1, geometry, or algebra 2 (depending on which of those they'd had a chance to take in middle school - some people did alg 1 in 7th and geometry in 8th, some people did alg 1 in 8th)
Ah. My school's "advanced" track makes no sense whatsoever. They have 11th graders taking math 104 first before 106 the same year, but there's so much overlap from the previous years, it would probably just make more sense to lump it all into one year, and let 11th graders take calc ab.
there's a lot of overlap in general i guess
Yea, in my school, we just took a test in 6th grade that let some kids take alg 1 in 7th.
same
which was dumb cause
like
my whole future was determined by me guessing what a box and whisker plot was when i had no idea
probably
LOL.
I probably shouldn't have taken alg 1 in 7th, because now my lazy 12 year old self's grades show up on my high school transcript.
definitely would not have the opportunities i did in high school and college had i not passed that test
wild
Ikr.
I wonder if that's how some foreign students feel when they have to take entrance exams for good middle/high schools.
Not enough to make me love chem
Got my report card today. It's carbon tetrafluoride. It has one C and 4 F's.
/j
lmao
I actually did get my report card today though.
Oo
Yea, my average went down 0.2 points.
;-;
Still above a 100 though, so that's fine. Nothing a cookie can't fix.
Average is above a hundred?

Yeah.
AP & college courses offer weight, so you can get above a 100 average if you sacrifice your soul to the devil.
i see
We dont have college courses here, or any course choice really
u just choose a "stream" of subjects that u wanna do
Oh, so for example, would you like choose a "stem" or "finance" stream?
Or do I have the wrong idea.
yeah just like that
its like "science" "economics" and "humanities"
science has 2 sub streams, maths, and bio
Oh nice science best.
Wait, what about physics and chem? ;-;
Those are compulsory for science stream students
Oh nice.
u get to choose between maths and bio
Man, sounds like a difficult decision.

I'd just beg the counselor to let me do both.
What kind of math do they offer?
Is it like, post-calculus stuff?
its usually pre calc and calc
there isnt post calc stuff
Ah ic.
and studying maths for school is the most boring thing
yes
Epic.
Its hell trying to manage everything 
I've just gotten back into self-studying after months of doing the bare minimum for math.
This is gonna be a rollercoaster.
Oh boy, quite a bit. Ideally, I want to get into some areas of analysis, topology, and some other more advanced stuff, but currently I'm just refreshing my memory on calculus, since it's been a while.
I also really want to learn more about group theory soon.
topology seems quite cool, i definitely want to do that eventually
although i’m currently focused on odes
ordinary differential equations if you aren’t aware of what that means
Yeah, I want to make sure I have the proper foundation to understand it though, so I'm working on some prerequisite material.
im currently interested in learning in algebra, geo, analysis and topology, making my way to algebraic geometry
Also, ik.
thats it it for maths for now 
NOICE.
I'm considering purchasing a donut/coffee mug tshirt to confuse people at school.

look at this
1 DONUT= 1 COFFIS CUP
i can see that lol
Quantum, are you into quantum physics?
i used to be interested in physics, in fact that’s what got me back into math, but i don’t really like physics anymore
what’s that
It's pretty interesting, if you're familiar.
whats that 
Oh uh, so it basically demonstrates that negative energy densities can exist.
kinda same
but im still interested in physics
If you were to place two metal plates adjacent to one another in a vacuum, virtual particle waves with wavelengths that fit as whole numbers between the plates will continue to be reflected within the interior, but the majority of waves with non-whole number wavelengths will escape to the exterior.

Since vacuum space needs to have an energy density of zero (otherwise it'd be curved), the interior region of the plates with a lower energy density must therefore be negative.
I can send an article that explains it better if you want.
sure
That is really interesting
Oh btw,
according to wiki its from QFT 
The external waves produce a force that pushes the plates together.
Hence "the force from nothing".
Yea lol.
so is this why eye contact is so awkward?
I just look at people's noses instead of their eyes. Nobody can tell the difference.
But dont the nostrils look like eyes
idk 
Dark bottomless abyssal looking eyes
I don't talk to people enough to need to worry about eye contact.
So it's not a concern.
To define the negative logarithm of a number $a\in\mathbb{R}^{+}$, $\ln(-a)$ we can make use of the fact that $e^{\pi i}=-1$ as well as log-properties.
We first note that $\ln(-1)$ can be rewritten as $\ln(e^{\pi i})$ and simplified to $\pi i$.
We have now established that $\ln(-1) = \pi i$.
We can now rewrite the original logarithm as $\ln(-1)+\ln(a)$ and by what we showed earlier this can be simplified to $\pi i+\ln(a)$ which is well defined.
Jadefalke
Made this :D
e^(x*pi*i) is a periodic function with a period of 2pi
All of this is very simplified, at every point you are making a choice of branch and limiting the domain of log as a result
mmmmmmmm complex analysis
well defined with some care
that doesn't sound right
i think period is 2
I swear half the time I look in discussion channels the discussion is on multivalued functions
Am I the only one here who sucks at math?
no.
no.
no.
I suck at math but I suck at it less than I suck at anything else. So I’m doing math
yes
it means you can no longer post in advanced lounge
is that from low quality messages
yep
😔
as you can see from moldi's reaction, they have also been muted for it in the past
oh, so you're aware of the difference
now I am 😔
Is there a way to get the TeX bot to delete its rendering post when it's been so long that it removed the buttons?
Probably not
why do u want to delete something that long after
Decided after sleeping on it that posting a full solution unspoilered in #competition-math was probably not polite. 😅
👍 @pale orchid see above; #competition-math message and the one below might ought to go.
all 4 messages? your spoiler-tagged messages and the texit bot answers
Just the TeX-bot answers, unless we have rules against solutions there in general.
aight
Thanks!
such a good and noble mod
hello guys I just want to make sure I understand this -
Derivative of a function basically gives you the Slope of that function at any point
is this the right definition
that is not a definition, unless you have defined slope already
if you defined slope, it depends on what's your definition of slope
@neat lintel
can you just explain a bit more
can you explain a bit more?
What is slope?
the right definition
slope is the change in y : change in x steepness ...
no
...
uhm
the slope is the limit of the ratio between the variation of y and the variation of x
If you have a point (1,2), it doesn't have a slope of 2. It's just a point. It could be on many different graphs.
you have to say which way it is going -- you need the change in y and the the change in x. If the next point is (2,4), then the slope is (4-2)/(2-1) = 2. But the next point could be (2,37852334). Who knows?
The underlying point is there is not really any working definition of slope that doesn't essentially just repeat the definition of the difference quotient.
So your statement is true, but it doesn't work as a definition, unless you have already defined the derivative (or difference quotient) at one point.
you have the right idea, but as other people said, it doesn't work as a formal definition
I think this user just wants to know what a derivative is, at a basic calc 1 level, rather than a formal definition
And to that end, his idea suffices
The derivative at a point on a curve is the slope of the line tangent to the curve at that point
yeah you're right
hello, where can I ask a question? its calculus
#❓how-to-get-help @chrome island
thx
replying to a 10 hour old message
yeah they blacklisted me from it
yeah there won't be anybody else allowed to speak in there
im allowed
guys
I know the difference between geometric algebra and algebraic geometry
geometric algebra: saying x² represents a square with side length x
algebraic geometry: looking at a square with side length x and calling it x²
There have still been lots of very productive discussions in advanced-lounge even if they're less frequent
Well that's not exactly it for algebraic geometry
A square is not defined by the "equation" x² (whatever that means)
he means x^2 is the area and x is the side length
He was also completely joking
Ok haha my bad then
lol
advanced lounge has been good
most people are just unfunny
unfunny + wrong place is a good reason to get blacklisted if u ask me.
i think adv-lounge is a success if it isn't too active
too much activity always means there is shitposting going on
yeah the jokes would be a lot more tolerable if yall were funny instead of just annoying
What a surprise that the server's primary elitist supports elitism 😌
grumps.
ive proposed banning anyone who cant construct the reals by memory with only a pair of chopsticks and very runny egg
but alas
How would this even work? 
(yes i understand that its a joke)
thinking quickly dave constructs the real numbers using only a squirrel, some string and the set of real numbers








