serious-discussion

[crystal stone]

I am a man of many passions

[devout nacelle]

I'll be logging off, was fun talking to you MoonBears.

[crystal stone]

yuh

I just rant

[turbid epoch]

Get yourself a podcast.

I'll listen.

[crystal stone]

Nah, I only have like

5 axes to grind

After that I'm done

[turbid epoch]

Okay then lol

[crystal stone]

The problem with podcasts and news shows is that they have to find some hype train to keep their revenue stream going

So they just shoe horn in the political flavor of the month, whatever their party is pushing

[turbid epoch]

Hmm, well I have seen plenty podcasts by youtubers where they just shoot the shit and still do well. But I guess it's a lot different when it's not your main income.

[crystal stone]

Exactly, youtubers shooting the shit are probably supplementing some main career thing they do

[turbid epoch]

What do you think about Joe Rogan?

[crystal stone]

Overall I like his podcasts, I like that he's not having an axe to grind in one way or the other

He's not afraid to call people out for BS

But sometimes he gets into crazy stuff, it's fun. I wouldn't take it too seriously

But if you compare to like Don Lemon, Tucker Carlson, John Oliver, or Trevor Noah

They all have axes to grind on one side or the other

And frequently push that narrative, even if it means curating facts that are distorted versions of truth

Alex Jones, Tim Pool as well

[turbid epoch]

Joe's just an MMA fighter/Standup Comedian(?) turned podcaster, would be weird if he did all this.

[crystal stone]

Yeah, he just has some fun podcasts to listen to. Like that one guy that left scientology

[turbid epoch]

Who?

[crystal stone]

Oh jeez, the guy's whole family was in a scientology camp, and he didn't like it anymore

He had to plan an escape because there were security guards

[turbid epoch]

I need a name damnit.

Need something to binge tonight.

[crystal stone]

Ron Miscavige

[turbid epoch]

Thanks for the name.

I gtg

thanks for your innate wisdom, oh great Moonbears.

[crystal stone]

no wisdom

no greatness

Just a dude w/ a laptop

[turbid epoch]

yeah was trying to add a /s to it but I messed up

anyways

gtg

[sick burrow]

wait why did I lose my Emeritus role

@compact tartan explain

[compact tartan]

cuz very active

[sick burrow]

I see

[fathom swallow]

mniip

[bronze pelican]

Whsts the difference

[swift sinew]

What in the world is Emeritus in the context of discord

[inner finch]

united arab emeritus

[compact tartan]

just someone who used to be active in the past

(not anymore)

[ancient flame]

oh so like a legacy thing

[crystal stone]

yUh

I get emeritus all the time because I will go weeks without saying anything

Cuz work sux

[bronze pelican]

i was never active

[sick burrow]

yeah why is active rarer than very active

I jumped right to very active

[mortal igloo]

Hmm fiber product over the zero object…

Oh wait its coproduct

[wary swift]

Yami!!!!!

Hi!!!!!!

@bronze pelican

[long lark]

i agree that everyone has a bias to some degree but are we really gonna put john oliver and ALEX JONES in the same category? really?

does the fact that bias is inevitable imply that facts are relative? lol

[crystal stone]

All I said is that these are people with an axe to grind

I didn't say to what degree

[long lark]

ok then sure

but still feels pretty misleading lol

[crystal stone]

How does it feel misleading to say that john oliver has a political agenda in his show?

[swift sinew]

That isn’t what’s misleading. It’s that putting them in the same category kind of implies that they have similar levels of devotion to their cause and that the dangerousness of what they say is similar.

[crystal stone]

In the same category of pushing a political narrative...

Made no other claim

[sick burrow]

I mean "are they pushing a political narrative" is a dumb way to categorize talk show hosts

What's relevant is accuracy of information presented and to a lesser extent what specific viewpoint they're arguing for

[leaden torrent]

i mean LWT is like

very obviously political?

like did anyone think differently lmao

this just seems like you were reading moonbears' point in bad faith

idk

er wrong person

got names mixed up

whatever

people watch LWT knowing full well it has a political slant and its saying what they want to hear

[crystal stone]

Again I made no claims on accuracy or quality

[leaden torrent]

that isnt to say that that makes it bad

i think its commentary is often shallow

and much preferred when they stuck to niche issues that dont get much coverage rather than hot-button stuff

like i remember enjoying their episode on televangelists even though the humour was kinda... lame

but like i dont think its honest to conflate LWT with joe rogan in the sense that

LWT makes its political slant fairly clear

it presents evidence and anecdotes and whatnot in favour of its slant

but it doesnt claim to take a neutral pov

joe rogan kinda does

he insists that he allows on guests regardless of ideology, which is perhaps true? (unaware if anyones ran the numbers here)

but his principle of not really arguing with his hosts makes it seem like the show is tacitly implicit with whatever points they espouse

regardless of whether thats actually true or not, the point is that the show is presenting political ideas in a format that insists on acting neutral

and while the host HIMSELF may be neutral (though im... dubious), that doesnt mean the show is

[turbid epoch]

Joe's ideology is whatever guest's that came on the previous episode.

[leaden torrent]

when i watch LWT or hell, even infowars

i know im signing up for political commentary

and the show makes no attempt to hide that fact or pretend its acting as a responsible mediator

its a show by ideologues for the entertainment of ideologues, and it makes that obvious

the thing is that joe rogan constantly denies his podcast having a cohesive stance just because some of his guests have different opinions

and while that does mean its hard to pin down a single source of bias, it doesnt mean the project as a whole is unbiased

and its dishonest to market it as such IMO

in theory, any opinion is allowed on /pol/, but we all know how that turns out

(but at least /pol/ calls itself "politically incorrect" nowadays so you know what youre in for)

idk, it just reminds me of like

that political compass memes subreddit

[crystal stone]

an cap

[leaden torrent]

like yeah in theory they have a whole bunch of ideologies represented but

[crystal stone]

marxists rise up

[leaden torrent]

if you take a look at it and tell me it doesnt have an underlying bias

ill think youre politically immature

it is, at the very least, biased towards an american netizen's understanding of the political spectrum

it also associates every ideology with its extremes

which is, i know, done for the purpose of humour

but it still contributes to an undercurrent narrative

¯_(ツ)_/¯

sorry i got off topic here

but like you get my point

[crystal stone]

I think you explained the point I was trying to make. There are different degrees of politically bent podcasts or tv shows

It's pretty important to identify them as such. Joe rogan does switch a lot. E.g. when tim pool is on he's against socialism, but when a socialist is on he likes healthcare

etc.

[leaden torrent]

i guess joe rogan's underlying bias is towards populism

he latches on to anecdotes and fringes and acts like an intellectual for doing the bare minimum of considering other perspectives

and he takes the more marketable parts of ideologies and emphasizes his agreement with those aspects to curry favour, while rarely offering substantial commentary on the overlying theory or tenets of the ideology

the only perspective ive really heard him defend on deeper ideological grounds is social libertarianism

which i mean... makes sense

the dude loves weed

like you mention him supporting "healthcare" when talking with socialists

thats kinda what i mean

healthcare is a very easy way to find common ground on an issue without engaging with the core of the ideology

[crystal stone]

Yeah, so when you watch a particular podcast he's not gunning for a singular point of view

[leaden torrent]

which IMO creates dishonest impressions on it

[crystal stone]

and it's not a consistent voice on a political narrative

[sick burrow]

yeah if you try to pretend LWT doesn't have a political agenda you're deluding yourself

but having a political agenda isn't necessarily a bad thing

[leaden torrent]

LWT doesjnt try to pretend it doesnt have a political agenda lmao

it obviously does

[crystal stone]

never claimed it is bad

[sick burrow]

oh yeah it definitely doesn't

[leaden torrent]

i mean hell, they coined the "drumpf" thing for trump

[sick burrow]

I'm saying if a hypothetical person said it didn't

[leaden torrent]

which imo was always really dumb

[sick burrow]

that hypothetical person would be an idiot

[leaden torrent]

yeah but people say the same thing about joe rogan

[sick burrow]

yeah those people are dumb

[leaden torrent]

maybe its not organized into one cohesive "agenda" besides making $$$

but it clearly has a populist slant

[sick burrow]

like your point is correct MoonBears

it just seems kinda unnecessary

[leaden torrent]

to be clear, im not saying i hate joe rogan; i dont really know enough to come out with a strong opinion

[sick burrow]

like "acktually John Oliver is in the same category as Alex Jones"

[leaden torrent]

i do think its dishonest with its motivations

but i dont necessarily want it taken off spotify or whatever

(though i think the trend of spotify buying podcasts is bad for other reasons)

[sick burrow]

but then that category is just "people who have public political beliefs in their talk shows"

[leaden torrent]

i do hate the median joe rogan listener though lmao

[sick burrow]

median by what metric?

fingernail length?

[leaden torrent]

annoyingness

[sick burrow]

I mean say what you want about Joe Rogan listeners

at least they don't (to my knowledge) add to servers they moderate

[leaden torrent]

idk how i feel about... deplatforming in general

[sick burrow]

[leaden torrent]

i do think it "works" in the sense that

well

no one talks about milo yianapolouis or whatever it is anymore

[sick burrow]

I think deplatforming is good in extreme cases

like people who are legit just using their platforms to spread hate and misinformation

[leaden torrent]

but i am concerned about it from a societal freedom pov

[sick burrow]

should just be bonked

[leaden torrent]

not even like corporate deplatforming

but also cultural

like

[sick burrow]

cancel culture is definitely a problem

[leaden torrent]

i wouldnt be surprised if drag culture is "cancelled" in 5 years for promoting unhealthy lgbt stereotypes

[sick burrow]

it's just a problem that's massively overblown by people who want to say offensive shit without repercussions

[leaden torrent]

yeah i think thats fair

[sick burrow]

like it's not actually that complicated an issue imo

[leaden torrent]

in general i'd say i'm more of a free speech advocate than most people with my social political opinions

free expression is maybe a better word there

than speech

like i dont think "facebook is a private company so they have a legal right to censor you" translates to a moral right

[sick burrow]

it's just a weird things that "cancel culture is a problem" and "'cancel culture' often functions as a dogwhistle for bigots" are both true

[leaden torrent]

that isnt to say i dont think facebook has a moral right

im not sure on that front

but i do think that defense is terrible

[sick burrow]

but once you get over that apparent contradiction, it's not actually super difficult to tell which is happening in any given instance imo

[leaden torrent]

i guess?

[crystal stone]

I'm in the middle of a CSGO match rn

[sick burrow]

it's correct to cancel someone iff I, Gamma, want them canceled

[leaden torrent]

i will agree that most "cancelled" people ive seen have seemed like genuinely bad people

but admittedly im not super well read

and naturally a lot of my info on this is from biased sources

since its rare someone will defend a "cancelled" person

[sick burrow]

ok so I actually have legit example of someone who I think was wrongly canceled

which is DZK from Apex

[leaden torrent]

i do think the internet isnt forgiving enough of mistakes

[sick burrow]

basically some people dug up some really offensive shit he said like 15 years ago

[agile sundial]

Girlboss

[leaden torrent]

as a kid i sexually harrassed a female classmate, i regret it to this day

it was just an inappropriate touch, nothing more

but still really really bad

but like that stuff happens, i think its possible to repent from it

the problem is that people conflate "lack of apology" with "doesnt want to apologize"

[sick burrow]

granted, it was some absolute bottom of the barrel hyper offensive shit

and he said it when he was 28

[leaden torrent]

if i could meet the girl again, i would apologize in an instant

but doing it in public would IMO just make it worse

[sick burrow]

but it was also 15 years ago and he clearly seemed to have changed

it was really funny

[neat lintel]

nami was naughty person

[sick burrow]

because he got fired from his previous job for being too left wing

[leaden torrent]

idk its weird to me that like

[sick burrow]

and then got fired from this job for some neo nazi shit he said 15 years ago

[leaden torrent]

the catholic church has a more generous policy on forgiveness than internet progressives lmao

that itself isnt exactly a good thing though

[sick burrow]

ok this stuff gets a lot simpler when you stop thinking in terms of individuals and start thinking in terms of cultural systems

[leaden torrent]

after all, it famously shelters sex offenders

so like

...

idk its hard

[sick burrow]

is that forgiveness though?

or is that them actually being pro sex offender

[leaden torrent]

well its probably neither realistically

its probably a utility calculation

[sick burrow]

so I actually have a devil's advocate argument in favor of cancel culture

[leaden torrent]

"this person is high ranking in the church and itd be bad for everyone if we rattled the power structure too much"

[sick burrow]

that I don't agree with, but is worth considering

[leaden torrent]

i dont think this is a GOOD utility calculation

but like

no ones ever gotten excommunicated for NOT speaking out about a priest

afaik

[sick burrow]

and it's basically a lesser of two evils thing

[leaden torrent]

and its like, idk

i hope no one reads what im saying as like

a defense of genuinely bad people

like kavanaugh

[sick burrow]

which basically rests on the way people in positions of privilege can cause harm to people not in those positions without really realizing they're doing it or causing any real harm

[leaden torrent]

id be willing to believe kavanaugh changed since his college years, at least in that regard, but lying at the hearing makes me believe he hasnt

[sick burrow]

so like take gender for instance

actually idk

let me think about how best to phrase this

but yeah I generally agree with what you're saying Namington

I honestly feel like

every person who've actually given this issue thought will come to the same general conclusions

[leaden torrent]

i do think painting "cancel culture" with a broad brush is like

[sick burrow]

that forgiveness is a tricky issue, that people should absolutely be given a chance to be forgiven if they can prove they've changed, but that we should also careful with forgiveness.

[leaden torrent]

an attempt to avoid looking at these issues

on a case-by-case basis

[sick burrow]

they'll just disagree on what to do on a case by case issue

but yeah as I was saying

[leaden torrent]

i dont think thats unique to "cancel culture" though

like this is gonna sound bad but

im reminded of leftist slogans like "ACAB" and "believe women"

[sick burrow]

I do think that there's something to be said about making, say, cis people absolutely terrified about accidentally saying something transphobic and facing the repercussions

[leaden torrent]

i dont even disagree with these sentiments in general

[sick burrow]

or making white people absolutely terrified about accidentally saying something racist

[leaden torrent]

but i think the existence of the slogans is an attempt to turn discussions of the issues into debates on broad trends

when theres really a lot of nuance on an individual level

its like

"1 death is a tragedy, 100k is a statistic" type stuff almost?

[sick burrow]

because there are a lot of internalized behaviors and ideas that come with being white, or cis, or male, or any other position of privilege that are easy to ignore, but can cause harm to others

so having the potential for huge punishment for messing up can in theory make people pay more attention to harmful behaviors they would otherwise ignore, even if the punishment is a bit extreme when it does happen.

[leaden torrent]

like idk

it just feels like there should be a way to discuss these trends in a broad sense

WITHOUT minimizing the importance of analyzing individual cases

i believe there are genuinely good cops out there

[sick burrow]

I feel like there's likely a somewhat intentional push by bigots to make these things hard to discuss

[leaden torrent]

i also believe the system needs widespread reform

[sick burrow]

by constantly crying "cancel culture" at everything

[leaden torrent]

"ACAB" being a popular slogan makes those two stances sound incompatible

and its a similar thing with cancel culture

[sick burrow]

yeah I'm torn on stuff like ACAB for that exact reason

but yeah the system definitely needs massive reform

[leaden torrent]

like i have a lot of respect for homocide detectives for example

i know theres bias in prosecution of black people and whatnot

but overall it seems like a really taxing job

[sick burrow]

yeah

[leaden torrent]

i dont think all homocide detectives are "good", in fact i would probably buy an argument that the median one is "bad"

[sick burrow]

see this is the thing

[leaden torrent]

but i still respect the profession

random traffic cops, i care a lot less about lmao

[sick burrow]

ok maybe this is me just losing my sanity from tiredness

[leaden torrent]

now THATs a stance i can get behind

[sick burrow]

but I wonder if the issue is people thinking too much in terms of individuals

[leaden torrent]

parking cops though, those depend

taking up 2 lots? you deserved to get fucked (by which i mean a ticket)

misleading signage creating ticket traps? fuck traffic cops

[sick burrow]

like if a cop gets fucked over by a toxic and racist police culture

becomes a racist shit

and does some bad things

obviously that person should be punished

[leaden torrent]

lmao

parking easily the worst part of driving

easy sure

that doesnt make it enjoyable

[sick burrow]

but the ultimate cause is a toxic system

[leaden torrent]

you gotta find a spot and shit

[sick burrow]

not any individual

people

it sustains itself

toxic system creates toxic individuals perpetuates toxic system

[leaden torrent]

idk

[sick burrow]

no I'm not in any way defending the cop in that instance

[leaden torrent]

police reform seems very hard to me

since like

the kind of people who WANT to become police officers are not people i want policing me

or in a position of power over me in general

[sick burrow]

the cop absolutely deserves to lose their job, get publicly shamed, and possibly spend the rest of their life in prison

[leaden torrent]

but like

[sick burrow]

like the punishment for abusing a position of authority to that extent should be one of the worse ones out there

[leaden torrent]

i dont see what the solution to that is

i dont think mandatory diversity training fixes much

and "defund the police" is, to me, kind of regressive

at least taken literally

if you want responsible policing you need to incentivize it

currently police are incentivized to set up speed traps and shit

[sick burrow]

idk I wonder how much sense I'm actually making

[leaden torrent]

and they do plenty of that

[crystal stone]

So, there was a student that came into the math center the past week or two. She kept cursing a lot, and freaking out about her discrete math class. I informed her that cursing wasn't appropriate for the center as there's a no cursing policy. She was a senior CS major taking Calc 2 & discrete. She didn't know how to add fractions, didn't know zero times anything is zero

She informed me she had a 4.0 and wanted to keep it that way

This is related, anyway, she tried to bribe my tutors to do her homework for her

I reported her

[leaden torrent]

...how tf do you get an A in calc 1 not knowing how to add fractions

????

[sick burrow]

I feel like I have a real point here, but I'm too tired to lucidly make it

[crystal stone]

She sent out an email claiming that I sexually and racially discriminated against her

[sick burrow]

lmao

[crystal stone]

And sent it to the entire upper administration

[sick burrow]

holy shit

[crystal stone]

She kept calling and harassing my tutors

[leaden torrent]

what came of that

[crystal stone]

It's still ongoing

[leaden torrent]

ah

[crystal stone]

This literally happened like last week

[sick burrow]

holy fucking fuck

[leaden torrent]

does it look like theyre taking her seriously

or what

[sick burrow]

damn Nami edit before I could make fun of it

[crystal stone]

No, it's very obvious that she doesn't know what she's doing

[leaden torrent]

yeah thats usually how it goes lmao

[crystal stone]

And that it's an absurd claim. I work for an HBCU and I am not black

[sick burrow]

how does she have a 4.0 though

[crystal stone]

Pandemic

[sick burrow]

like is it really that easy

[crystal stone]

She just paid people to do her homework

[leaden torrent]

like these people get their sense of how the world functions from trending twitter hashtags

[sick burrow]

pandemic was only a year and a half

[leaden torrent]

and tumblr misunderstandings of social sciences

[crystal stone]

She went to a community college

Then transferred in, she did online community college

and cheated her way through there

[sick burrow]

holy

[crystal stone]

So now everyday I'm legitimately afraid that she will show up with a phone camera

and record me calling campus security and trying to cancel me

Just for reporting her and her actions

And if that recording goes viral, there is a very obvious slant it will have

Could literally end my entire career, all because of some nut case

[leaden torrent]

this is something ive talked about before but like, a lot of people in the progressive twitter/tumblrsphere conflate "i dont like this" with "this must be a form of social aggression"

[crystal stone]

It doesn't matter upper administration has my back

At least the ones I've talked to

[leaden torrent]

if you dont know what youre talking about, its super easy to misuse academic terms

[crystal stone]

Everyone is supporting me in this

[leaden torrent]

and apply them to literally anything

[crystal stone]

But if she just showed up with her phone

I could be done

[leaden torrent]

i mean, the US right wing is proving that right now

with their attacks on "crt"

which means whatever they want it to mean at any given time

[crystal stone]

Which is crazy, because I'm the first person to manage this math center that actually has a proper mathematics background

the last manager didn't know calculus

[leaden torrent]

well, best of luck moonbears

[sick burrow]

wait how

[leaden torrent]

worst case, just counter by reuploading it on reddit and calling her a "karen"

ezpz

(disclaimer: this might actually make you a misogynist lmao)

[crystal stone]

She takes a video of me calling campus security on her, spins it her way

and pre-faces it with her narrative on discrimination

And how I treated her

[sick burrow]

why would you call campus security on her

[crystal stone]

Because she has been banned from my tutoring center

for harassing my tutors on and off campus

[sick burrow]

lmao

the issue here

is it'll probably get picked up by right wing media outlets

[leaden torrent]

i mean this is ironically a case where right wing media would eat it up

yeah

idk if you wanna align yourself with those peope

[sick burrow]

yeah I don't think you want that though

[leaden torrent]

might be bad for your career

[turbid epoch]

MRA Activists, the incel ones.

[sick burrow]

holy fuck

so can I complain about something that actually drives me insane about MRA people

besides, well, everything

[leaden torrent]

their existence?

[sick burrow]

the name

[turbid epoch]

Other than the fact that they are virgins who hate women?

[sick burrow]

men's rights activists

[leaden torrent]

well ultra they dont care about the truth

in this case

[crystal stone]

what rights do they not have

Is the question

[leaden torrent]

they care about the story

[sick burrow]

exactly

[leaden torrent]

moonbears a common point is like

parental rights

[sick burrow]

it feels like they tried to copy women's lib

but are stupid

[leaden torrent]

they claim men are discriminated against in custody arrangements

[sick burrow]

so they conflated women's lib and women's rights

[leaden torrent]

im not sure whether this talking point is true

but they claim it

[inner finch]

cathode ray tube

[sick burrow]

that's not a rights thing though is it?

[turbid epoch]

Yada yada something about child custody, rates of criminal convictions and soceital expectations but those are actual points that MRA never seem to talk about these days.

[leaden torrent]

finally, someone who will stand up for melee players

[sick burrow]

like are men discriminated against in custody cases in the law, or just rulings

[crystal stone]

I think there is a point to be made that men usually don't voice what their issues are, especially ones that work in like construction, or manual labor work

[sick burrow]

like the reason I bring this up

[crystal stone]

But to call it a rights movement

Is a significant stretch

[sick burrow]

is because I'm taking feminist theory this semester

[leaden torrent]

oh theres a lot of unhealthy trends in society's understanding of masculinity in general

"toxic masculinity" is perhaps bad branding

but theres a fair discussion to be had

[inner finch]

lol every antifeminist ive talked to has said some shit about mra and that men are disadvantaged in divorce courts

[sick burrow]

and the literal first reading we had was about the limitations of rights talk

[inner finch]

and so therefore feminism is bad

[leaden torrent]

thats not what MRA is about though

MRA people are idiots

[inner finch]

like damn bro 😳

[sick burrow]

and about how there's so much more to women's liberation than just securing rights

[inner finch]

i also talked to one mra who asked me for a source on intersex people existing

[leaden torrent]

isnt intersex rate like 3% or something

[sick burrow]

my point is it's also clown behavior to call it a rights issue

[leaden torrent]

like its way higher than people think

[crystal stone]

I've listened to some of warren farrel on podcasts and interviews

[leaden torrent]

youd think its like 1 in 10000 or whatever

[crystal stone]

He seems to have a much more sober viewpoint on it than most people

[sick burrow]

like court rulings being biased isn't really a rights thing

[turbid epoch]

I dont care what you libs say, I listen to The Quartering!!!!! /s

[leaden torrent]

ah thats a fair point

[inner finch]

This other person was like yo i dont think women are oppressed. Give me, say, 3 examples of discrimination occuring recently

[sick burrow]

this was literally covered in my class in the case of women's rights

[inner finch]

virgin toilet user vs chad piss in basement

[leaden torrent]

Before this gets deleted by reddit admins, this asshole took it completely out of context. First of all, the idiot thinks it was a marionette deck. It wasn't. That card's not even in the deck. He was running counterspell draw, this was approximately turn 25, every single creature and spell I cast was countered or removed up until that point and this dumbass who copied his deck from MTG Salvation or Goldfish used one of his last copies of negate to counter a Revel in Riches when he had 0 creatures on the field and I had 0 treasures in play, thus the "this spell does literally nothing" and he should have let it resolve. I love it when people copy a deck and have no idea how to run it or play MTG. I was just throwing it out because I had 5 mana and it was the only card left in my hand and the game was already over anyway. So on the way out I let him know what an idiot he was for countering a spell that does nothing in the current board state. NOBODY wants to watch a recording of a game where I cast something and he counters it or removes it x30 turns. That's idiotic. I should have left the game the second I saw what he was running. This was the 5th attempt at getting a recording of something resembling watchable MTG gameplay and 5 people in a row were playing Karn draw control loop or free cast torrential graveyard resurrection control or approach control loop. So yeah, I was pissed and he was an asshole for playing this. He's one of those idiots who doesn't care about the other players one bit, it's all about winning. So running 35 control spells seems reasonable because NOTHING matters but winning. Thanks for not showing the board state with library counts or the full log, asshole. Enjoy your temporary ban from reddit.

[inner finch]

lol

[sick burrow]

I've already seen old discussions of this so I know the majority of you will disagree and claim that mutate is weak. Lots of gas lighting trolls up in here. I pretty much just play Arena but I win the majority of my games. The only thing I consistently lose to is mutate decks or one of several super combo decks where suddenly I'm hit for 50+ damage in 1 turn. Mutate literally beats anything that doesn't play faster or isn't more or less an antimutate deck. So then your only options are mutate deck or antimutate deck. I can't even think of another set of cards that comes close to buffing like mutate does.For anyone who disagrees, please tell me how YOU would beat a mutate deck without saying "cancel deck" that's not playing. That's nobody playing.
p.s. Whatever you assume of my deck construction it doesn't change the fact that mutate is the only deck type that I struggle against. In Arena I'll quit discard/ mill matches cus I just don't want to deal with it.
TLDR Most deck types are useless trash against Mutate decks.

[leaden torrent]

lmao i love that that pasta came literally 3 standards after golgari explore

[sick burrow]

no it's an issue of discriminations, but the case is that a lack of rights does not fully characterize the scope of discrimination

[inner finch]

me omw to gaslight redditors

[leaden torrent]

which was basically "mutate but it actually does what it wants to do"

like mutate was golgari explore but bad

[crystal stone]

I think Warren Farrell brings up some good points about issues that men face in culture/society

[sick burrow]

Before you get your panties bunched up, understand I'm not bashing the game. Why do you play if you just load your deck with white cards and pretend to play other colors just for the multiplying factors they give? White cards are the slimiest cards they produce. Boring, unimaginitive and just plain cheap. Life link this life link that cleric this +1/+1 every landfall or creature fall. Countless games ruined having to wait for white deck players to finish mastubating with thier clerics to get the game moving. Absolutely no excitement offered playing a white deck. Just. Boring. What ACTUAL accomplishment do you get from the game by playing a white deck? I don't get it.

(this was a legit unironic mtgarena post)

[leaden torrent]

the only fair deck is big red

[sick burrow]

I mean there's an argument to be made on whether they should be classified that way or not

but like

I'm not going to tell someone saying that these are rights issues "acktually they're technically not"

I'm not even sure if I have a position on the matter

[inner finch]

classifying these

🙂

[sick burrow]

my point is that it bothers me that MRA use the word "rights" because it feels like they're trying to copy feminist language without actually understanding the history of the language they use

it's far far from the worse thing about MRAs

[leaden torrent]

the problem with MRAs is the M

kill all men

[crystal stone]

It's also telling that the MRA was formed only after the feminists movements were well grounded

[inner finch]

Yeah

it's just counter revolutionary bs

[turbid epoch]

I was almost a MRA when I was young but I got out.

[crystal stone]

Maybe I'm more sympathetic to their cause because they do bring up some real issues facing men, but then they frame it in this anti-women way as if half of all people weren't women

[inner finch]

yeah

[crystal stone]

Which I can't get behind because women are great

[sick burrow]

this is not not really a critique that should be given much attention, after all there are far worse things to focus on about MRAs, it's just something that bothers me specifically now that I'm actually studying feminist theory.

[turbid epoch]

Cmon, how else are they supposed to deny 'pussy passes'?! /s

[crystal stone]

I don't even know what that term means

Nor should I

[turbid epoch]

Women privelege

[inner finch]

Lol i love the talking point "yeah but guys get killed in wars more often than women"
"Okay so let women fight"
"noO!!!!!"

[sick burrow]

Valerie Solanas moment???

ok so for my fem theory class

we actually had to read a legit "kill all men" type person

who was also, to the surprise of absolutely no one, a massive TERF

[inner finch]

lmfao

[crystal stone]

Today I learned what TERF means

[sick burrow]

and her writing was fucking deranged

[leaden torrent]

theres the eternal question of

[crystal stone]

All men are beautiful

I agree

[sick burrow]

like she made some legit good points

[leaden torrent]

whether the warhol assassin was unironic

[crystal stone]

yUh

[sick burrow]

when she was being comprehensible, and wasn't busy being transphobic

[leaden torrent]

yeah solanas

thats the name

[sick burrow]

but her writing was just insane

[leaden torrent]

sorry i cant read

[crystal stone]

I don't really pay attention to acronyms that much

[sick burrow]

I'm talking about Mary Daly

[leaden torrent]

ah

[sick burrow]

that's who we had to read

[crystal stone]

I learned ACAB like 6 months ago

[sick burrow]

but she kept citing Solanas

[crystal stone]

Yeah, I'd attack 'em too, it's not just any water

it's piss water

[turbid epoch]

@sick burrow Was the goal of reading her to provide a sort of juxtaposition?

[sick burrow]

my favorite part of Daly is this quote from her wikipedia article

Daly retired in 1999, after violating university policy by refusing to allow male students in her advanced women's studies classes.

[crystal stone]

I think the goal is to understand different aspects of feminist theory

[inner finch]

the transexual empire

[crystal stone]

Which is what you do in a feminist theory course

[sick burrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/508783071646973953/888594988844339250/unknown.png

[leaden torrent]

i dont think anyone reads daly unironically

her takes are... weird

[turbid epoch]

I get it now.

[leaden torrent]

In Gyn/Ecology (1978), Daly claimed that male culture was the direct, evil opposite of female nature, and that the ultimate purpose of men was death of both women and nature. Daly contrasted women's life-giving powers with men's death-dealing powers.

[sick burrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/508783071646973953/888959136530837534/unknown.png

[leaden torrent]

this would be a sick plot for a fate game

[sick burrow]

As Valerie Solanas lucidly points out "the male likes death --- it excites him sexually and already dead inside, he wants to die."

[leaden torrent]

but unfortunately is a bit of a stretch in reality

[leaden torrent]

whats wrong about this

[sick burrow]

the point of reading her was that she made some legit good points

when she wasn't being absolutely insane

[crystal stone]

We got plenty of examples of that throughout history

[sick burrow]

and was a very important writer historically

[crystal stone]

Isaac Newton

[turbid epoch]

The way you described it seemed like she was JUST insane, but I get it.

[sick burrow]

and also to contrast her with later readings

like the Radicalesbians

who were kinda based

but yeah Daly

[leaden torrent]

Later in the interview when asked about her opinion on Gearhart's proposal that "the proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race", she said, "I think it's not a bad idea at all. If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males."

daly accidentally advocates for the plot of most harem manga

[sick burrow]

she had some interesting stuff about how patriarchy is like omnipresent

[crystal stone]

Let's start here: genocide & population control are no bueno

[sick burrow]

and about how subtle things like language can be a force of oppression, but can also often go under the radar

[turbid epoch]

Like 1984 style?

[sick burrow]

she actually literally used 1984 as an analogy

no joke

[crystal stone]

I don't think 1984 is the best example here

[sick burrow]

no she literally quoted it

[crystal stone]

I think Brave New World's description is more accurate

It's not an oppressive regime, it's something we gladly partake in

[sick burrow]

but anyways

Daly made some good points

but was also insane

and hated all "men" (which she defined as anyone AMAB)

[crystal stone]

All Men Are Beautiful

I agree

[inner finch]

what the fuck

[light needle]

Yep she sounds like a terf

[sick burrow]

my best description of her writing is

Like the fever dream of a feminist scholar who convinced herself she was a witch while high on LSD and fell asleep browsing TERF twitter

[inner finch]

insane ass

[crystal stone]

Does anyone know what I'm saying about Brave New World?

[inner finch]

lmao

[crystal stone]

Or am I talkin' to crickets

[sick burrow]

like you can clearly tell that the person having this fever dream is actually a competent feminist scholar

[inner finch]

thats just u

[light needle]

Can I?

[crystal stone]

I'm gettin' crickets

[light needle]

She sounds like a moron to me lmao

[inner finch]

fearful old nothing

[light needle]

I have no empathy for feminist sho think hating men is cool

[sick burrow]

but you can't deny that she's also having a fever dream while high, and also a TERF

[crystal stone]

I think the point of scholarship is to separate out the ideas and evaluate them on their merits

Ok you can reject the man hating part

[leaden torrent]

1984 isnt a particularly strong dystopian metaphor imo

[crystal stone]

What about the other parts?

[leaden torrent]

but thats fine

thats not the point of the book

the point of the book is the characters

[sick burrow]

it was about the language use in it

[crystal stone]

That's what I'm saying

[turbid epoch]

It's how language was curbed in the book.

[leaden torrent]

the dystopia is just a setting for characters to develop in

oh god i almost compared it to a VN

what is wrong with me

[sick burrow]

yeah that

[crystal stone]

I think it will be more about Brave New World

[leaden torrent]

fuck it ill make the comparison anyway

[crystal stone]

More Like*

[sick burrow]

like the Duckspeak

[turbid epoch]

The quality of a language dictates the quality of discourse in it.,\

[leaden torrent]

its like sharin no kuni

[sick burrow]

and how the words needed to describe oppression were lacking

[crystal stone]

here I thought you meant vietnam

But a visual novel...

[sick burrow]

I did not do all of the Daly reading though

[leaden torrent]

the dystopian commentary isnt very strong, like its there and present but its not the main focus

and thats fine

[sick burrow]

like I legit couldn't get through it

[leaden torrent]

its still a strong work of literature

[turbid epoch]

if anyone is looking for a light novel series to read, I'd recommend The Empty Box and Zeroth Maria.

[sick burrow]

ok so I need to go to bed

[crystal stone]

Ok in Brave New World the whole concept of revolution is removed through the engorgement of people in their fantasies

[light needle]

Do you

[sick burrow]

since I am very quickly losing lucidity

but the one final thing I will say

[crystal stone]

So everyone takes drugs, and no one is allowed to be alone

There's no need to ban literature because no one wants to read literature

[sick burrow]

is that it's kinda sad that radical feminism has become synonymous with TERFism these days

[leaden torrent]

brave new world's understanding of dystopia can be summarized as "bread and circuses"

[sick burrow]

because, at least from my class, it seems like the historical origins of radical feminism were actually pretty cool

[leaden torrent]

which is imo a semi-realistic take

like its obviously exaggerated

but it still says stuff

[turbid epoch]

It's like the game We Happy Few.

[crystal stone]

I think it's more accurate to what's been going on in the US to an extant

extent

My mind is breaking

[sick burrow]

oh also my response to this

[light needle]

Just write a non fiction on America, would make a good dystopian novel

[sick burrow]

which is that I used to have more sympathy for MRA people

[turbid epoch]

Until you realized they just plain hated women?

[sick burrow]

because I was like "holy shit being a man fucking sucks. Like this is fucking awful"

but then I realized

🏳️‍⚧️

[crystal stone]

I think it's hard to claim that Warren Farrell hates women

[light needle]

MRA used to be good but it was hijacked by misogynists

[turbid epoch]

Some of them hate women.

[sick burrow]

isn't r/menslib actually good though

[inner finch]

[light needle]

This is sad cause like, men really need to speak up about their problems ya know

[inner finch]

nicie

[sick burrow]

the issue is gender

tbh

[inner finch]

oh wait u r enby too wtf

[crystal stone]

I mean it doesn't have to be a contest of who has it worse off

[sick burrow]

yeah

[inner finch]

based

[light needle]

Like no one cares about men getting SAd or domestic abused

[inner finch]

i just noticed the colors

[crystal stone]

You can acknowledge other peoples struggles without downsizing yours

[inner finch]

in ur pfp

:lmao:

[light needle]

And it’s in part bc men don’t speak up

Like I wish we had a MRA movement that addressed this

[inner finch]

Feminism literally wants to help those men

[sick burrow]

literally every issue men face these days (in America at least, I can't speak for the rest of the world)

[light needle]

Instead of stupid shit like “false rape”

[sick burrow]

is dual to an issue women face

[inner finch]

lmao

I talked to a guy who was like really whacky on the ideological spectrum

[sick burrow]

and is the result of the way gender is currently constructed being toxic as fuck

[inner finch]

He was saying shit like i have an issue with believing all victims because the issue is really whether the rape happened or not

[light needle]

It still upsets me th@t the me too movement did basically nothing for men victims

[inner finch]

no shit bro

Also i predicted what he said twice and he said it word for word

[sick burrow]

like "women are seen as belonging at home and in the kitchen raising kids//men are bad caretakers and therefore shouldn't get custody"

[inner finch]

replying to the message in which i predicted what he'd say

Literal characters

[crystal stone]

Well, last time I looked at the data most divorce custody court stuff was settled outside of the court system

Privately

The agreement is then handed to the judge

[inner finch]

free market of ideas

[sick burrow]

"toxic masculinity creates huge amounts aggression towards women//men are going to be understandably suspicious of men, and it'll be harder for the legitimately good men"

gender and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

[inner finch]

very true

[crystal stone]

You can say the same thing about any kind of ideologue, where they just kind of repeat things they've already read

[turbid epoch]

So... the game was rigged from the start?

[inner finch]

I dont think these people have read anything in their lives to be honest

lmao

[turbid epoch]

They've got dialogue trees.

[inner finch]

lolol

[crystal stone]

They exist all over the political spectrum, and have all kinds of crazy ideas

[sick burrow]

I do find it kinda cool though how the early work in deconstructing the social construction of gender was done by feminist theorists

[crystal stone]

It's not just shoe horned to MRAs

[sick burrow]

before the trans thing even was on anyone's radar

[inner finch]

yuh yuh yuh yuh

[sick burrow]

like Simone De Beauvoir literally wrote

One is not born but becomes a woman

[sterile hare]

help-18 please

[inner finch]

wasn't she a terf too tho

[sick burrow]

I don't think so?

[inner finch]

weird

i heard that somewhere

[sick burrow]

lmao

we're talking about De Beauvoir

[inner finch]

So true ultra

[last oxide]

I know I havent (read anything)

[inner finch]

i have a gender trouble pdf saved

[sick burrow]

Butler is obviously not a TERF

[sick burrow]

I own the book

[inner finch]

im gonna read it someday

lol

[sick burrow]

but apparently they're super difficult to read

wait she was

how even

[crystal stone]

I mean how hard can they be to read, you just look at the words on the page

[sick burrow]

is that possible

[inner finch]

how did she reconcile that

[inner finch]

with this

[light needle]

Bigotry is always contradictory oof

[inner finch]

So true

[sick burrow]

source?

[compact tartan]

nothing is consistent

[light needle]

I was born a 18 yo man

[leaden torrent]

thats true

when i was born i was not a woman

[crystal stone]

true for one, true for all

[turbid epoch]

Me neither.

[crystal stone]

Proof by induction

[compact tartan]

outlier (p=0.05)

[crystal stone]

true for two, doubly true for all

[last oxide]

N/2 true for N

[leaden torrent]

I was going off about that earlier because, philosophically (I’m a philosophy student), you cannot make the assumption that just because some number of horses is a certain color that every horse would be that color. All you need is one horse that isn’t that color and your proof would fall apart.
That’s a well-known epistemic thought

Like… suppose that the sun rose on the first day (n = 1). We have established the base case. Then suppose that the sun has risen for n (and let today be the nth day) days in a row. This isn’t sufficient to prove that the sun will rise tomorrow (n+1).

[sick burrow]

wait De Beauvoir also sexually harassed one of her students?

excuse me??

[crystal stone]

David Hume's work changed my life

[inner finch]

wow dam

[sick burrow]

holy fuck

that's sad

[inner finch]

[sick burrow]

I wanted to like her

[toxic schooner]

[sick burrow]

but at least there's irony in Butler using that line in their work

[crystal stone]

I mean you can accept aspects of a person

While rejecting other aspects

[sick burrow]

I know

[inner finch]

ye but liking a person as a whole. It can be tough to ignore some nasty shit theyve done

[sick burrow]

wait so like what TERFy positions did De Beauvoir have

[crystal stone]

Just know that as long as they've accepted the trinity into their heart that they've been saved,

[sick burrow]

because that does seem kinda incompatible with her ideology

actually I guess not?

[crystal stone]

Oh I just realized another thing: conservatives didn't care about women's achievements/accomplishments and actively tried to shut down women's sports

And then when Male to Female trans-woman started competing

They suddenly cared about protecting the authenticity of women's sports

[sick burrow]

no I'm now finding some sources that said she was

but they don't seem super reliable

just reddit

[turbid epoch]

Eh, there's discussion to be had about the trans competition stuff as it is a complex issue, but none of that will come from 'conservative' conservatives.

[sick burrow]

with the sexual abuse stuff, or was there more

[crystal stone]

Yeah, I'm not saying that there isn't a discussion to be had

[sick burrow]

(I mean sexual abuse alone is enough)

ok goodnight

(note I set that not to ping)

[crystal stone]

I'm just looking specifically at the negative reaction that they had to women's sports initially

[sick burrow]

it's interesting though

[crystal stone]

And how they've flip flopped on it

[turbid epoch]

Mfw Gaslight Gamma Girlboss has been typing all this in their sleep.

[inner finch]

its not very complex to be honest

[sick burrow]

because if you think think that "woman" only exists as a category to label its members as the "other" so they can be oppressed

then it would make sense to be skeptical as fuck of anyone claiming "hey look I'm a woman now"

[crystal stone]

It's very complicated from a management/ethics point of view

[sick burrow]

but the truth is that gender is much deeper than a marker for oppression

[inner finch]

like if u really want a super fair-ish kind of contest then just measure testosterone levels and divy shit up that way

like weight classes

[crystal stone]

I think they've tried to do that

Actually

[sick burrow]

god I really need to sleep

but this stuff is so interesting

[turbid epoch]

I think that is what is predominantly suggested. But there are arguments about the body types involved too which I'm not privy to.

[inner finch]

Who cares about body types

[crystal stone]

I mean if you're 7'2 going into the WNBA

[light needle]

I mean it depends on the sport right

[inner finch]

many people who compete at the high level in sports are already genetic freaks

[sick burrow]

the only body type I care about

is homotopy type

[crystal stone]

Even if your testosterone levels are low, you're still 7'2

[light needle]

like for basketball height, for wrestling weight

etc

[inner finch]

I mean sure

[crystal stone]

So it's really way more complicated to solve

And there will be no simple solution

[sick burrow]

ok I actually sleep now

[turbid epoch]

There isn't a single remedy to this.

[light needle]

I think the real problem with sports is how most ppl will only watch like, 1 type

[sick burrow]

closing discord time

[crystal stone]

That blanket works for every sport and every organization

[light needle]

i.e the one with a certain body type of men

and how badly sports is comercialized means that other types are like, not vaible

[crystal stone]

Also it's harder to partition sports that are team based by hormonal levels

[inner finch]

I was referring to olympic type stuff when i was typing what i was typing

The issue is still then ppl worried about authenticity of their sports. If someone is 7'2 "naturally" as a woman there is 0 issue

but if it's a trans woman who is 7'2 then it's a problem

[light needle]

yeah that comes from, i dont wanna say transphobia as much like

just coping

people dont like losing oof

[inner finch]

trans athletes are in this weird spot where whether they win or lose they'll still be under attack

some whack shit

[crystal stone]

One solution could be: well you just get rid of segregation by gender for sports

anyone can compete

[inner finch]

i am in favor of this

[crystal stone]

But how will that play out?

[light needle]

yeah no gender segregation, but segragation by relevent parameter

[inner finch]

Like i said ppl competing at the top level are already genetic freaks

[light needle]

like height/weight

[crystal stone]

It's probably the only real tenable solution to the problem

That's blanket/uniform

[inner finch]

if someone is like a man and 5'2 you're not competing in the nba

[crystal stone]

But there are lots of issues

[light needle]

yeah short people deserve to be able to play basketball ig

[crystal stone]

I know for water polo in HS, anybody can play in the "boy's" league

But you have to be a biological female to play in the "girl's" league

[inner finch]

if someone cares about the fairness of the sport like john said controlling for height works then

[light needle]

however the issue is that, since sports is so commecialized and the demand for short ppl basketball is low

[crystal stone]

There were some HS teams that put their girl's on the boy's team

And they'd shred people

It was pretty rare though

[light needle]

that i feel like it wont be vaible

[inner finch]

but i dunno sports is more just

seeing people competing at their best i guess

[crystal stone]

The WNBA is not well attended at all

[inner finch]

in the end, at least for me, it doesn't matter about how fair the sport is

[light needle]

well there should be segregation based on some stat ig, like you should have the ability to shine regardless of genetics ya know

[crystal stone]

I think tickets to the parking lot cost more than sparks tickets

[light needle]

like its not fairness as much as ppl wouldnt get representations

like if women version of sports didnt exist you could imagine that women wouldnt have too much representation in sports rn

[crystal stone]

I think this is the problem. Lots of people have a strong "disgust" factor when something doesn't seem fair

Or someone cheated, or it's in-authentic

[inner finch]

im not sure how viable that is inside a capitalist mode of economy

[crystal stone]

Johnathon Haidt did a lot of work on this disgust factor, morality, and political opinions

[light needle]

yeah v sad

[inner finch]

well not cheating, but i mean like fairness to every height in basketball or something

[crystal stone]

It's pretty interesting

see

This is why I like math problems

So straight forward

[inner finch]

lul

[light needle]

straight forward math problems

[crystal stone]

You got some rule sets to work with, you can get creative with it

yUh

[light needle]

when u have to upend the rules and invent a framework for ur problem

[devout nacelle]

John triggered by calling math problems straight

[crystal stone]

I'm an analyst/PDE person ok

[light needle]

oof fair enough

[crystal stone]

We don't make shit up with "new rules"

Real numbers are our jam

fuckin' category theorists

[inner finch]

analysus

[light needle]

Idk for me the beauty of math is like, how people come up with novel and new ideas and frameworks ya know

[crystal stone]

I used to think that way, but as I got better & better

[light needle]

like even something as simple as set theory

[crystal stone]

and more exposed to math

I began to like very concrete explicit examples that I can compute

And I wasn't that way 6-7 years ago

[light needle]

ig thats fairish

[devout nacelle]

I'll just say it gives me unlimited mental stimulation, although my interest stays alive by learning more about interplay between seemingly disjoint stuff

[light needle]

as I have learnt of more and more different fields (goal is to be polymath, so i try learning about all fields)

i just appreciate new kind of frameworks and such

[crystal stone]

I think I began to like the little things in analysis a lot more

A clever inequality that falls out nicely

[devout nacelle]

Is it even tractable to "learn it all" with respect to math?

[inner finch]

no

[devout nacelle]

Right

[crystal stone]

Finally getting a more optimal bound

[light needle]

hopefully if immortality is invented in my lifetime

[crystal stone]

Just feels amazing

We got a new bound on jensen's inequality

We're not sure if it's slightly more optimal than what is had

But it feels pretty fucking cool to say

[toxic schooner]

if we are lucky we will have pills that keep us alive till 150
years

[light needle]

Upload my mind to a computer when

[turbid epoch]

Hold on, this Global Warming passing by.

[toxic schooner]

u will be a great arnim zola john

[crystal stone]

You know, I've never understood how weather and shit is predicted

Isn't it all navier-stokes?

[devout nacelle]

I think one could develop slightly reasonable understanding if they could stay invested in learning full time for maybe 2 or 3 decades, but this "if" is beyond realisable

[crystal stone]

Y'know like that one PDE no one can solve or prove that there's something that can't be solved

I'm still undecided on predicting things like weather. Is Navier-Stokes really that good of a model

Even if you just get numerical techniques

[devout nacelle]

[crystal stone]

Can we accurately predict what'll happen in 50 years?

[devout nacelle]

No

[crystal stone]

I dunno, I'm agnostic when it comes to these claims

It seems not so well founded

[turbid epoch]

Well, a pop-math video I've watched said that after a certain point, predictions are worthless in a chaotic system.

[devout nacelle]

I read in Robinson's Dynamical Systems that accurate weather predictions are capped at 14 days regardless of developments in technology

[light needle]

our model can only do 14 days

yeah

[crystal stone]

That's pretty fucking crazy

That's so good

14 days

[light needle]

its pretty good considering a small change in initial condition can change everything

[crystal stone]

I don't even know what I'll be doing 14 days from now

[inner finch]

i know what i'll be doing 14 days from now

[devout nacelle]

There's too much stochasticity inherent to the process that all solutions probably go whackadoodle beyond that time bound

[devout nacelle]

Googoogaagaa

[inner finch]

bebbefumgufeb

[light needle]

math with john? based

[inner finch]

your mom

[crystal stone]

It's hard to say what will happen in like 5 or 10 year's time

[light needle]

[inner finch]

[crystal stone]

Even extrapolating data you run into problems of induction

But that doesn't mean like

[inner finch]

inducting on R

[leaden torrent]

fyi navier stokes is pretty well understood in "regular" conditions

[crystal stone]

Plastic is good for the ocean

[leaden torrent]

like if we restricted it to settings that occur on earth outside of labs

[crystal stone]

The models are very accurate

[leaden torrent]

we have proved NS existence + smoothness in the affirmative

[crystal stone]

Oh really

That's interesting

[leaden torrent]

i think the problem is low temp high pressure?

maybe i have that backwards

high temp low pressure

[crystal stone]

well as temperature rises

it expands

so pressure will decrease

[crystal stone]

I am still but a novice in PDEs

I'm taking my sweet ass time. I think my analysis education was rushed

And I didn't really appreciate the finer details

[leaden torrent]

in any case though, that doesnt make it computationally convenient

[crystal stone]

Ahh who cares

regularity conditions

[leaden torrent]

modern weather models simply have insufficient data for exact precision

they have enough for good guesses for short timeframes

add in some ML magic

and you get models that work for a couple weeks

but not really long-term

[crystal stone]

I kinda wanna go into fluid flow stuff

It's so fucking cool

[devout nacelle]

Aren't both ryc and Ange doing that stuff

[crystal stone]

Yeah but they both hate me

[devout nacelle]

[inner finch]

why

[devout nacelle]

Understandable

[inner finch]

[leaden torrent]

relatable, everyone here hates me too

my sin is posting

worth it tbh

[inner finch]

true

[toxic schooner]

[leaden torrent]

[last oxide]

stop the self-pity

everybody loves nami

[toxic schooner]

[last oxide]

[crystal stone]

I think we all disagree politically, and I'm not afraid to say that I disagree politically with them

[toxic schooner]

[crystal stone]

I'm fine w/ ppl disagreeing with me

e.g. what I see as important and pressing, isn't labelled important and pressing by them; what they see as important and pressing, isn't important and pressing for me

[devout nacelle]

[crystal stone]

I'm fine w/ most people here th0

It's like that in real life too, there's lots of ppl who hate my guts

And I'm completely fine w/ them

[devout nacelle]

[tribal dove]

I just found out why you flip the denominator and the numerator of the second fraction when you divide two fractions

It’s because if you multiply a number by its reciprocal you get 1

So multiply both fractions by the reciprocal of the second fraction to turn the second fraction into 1

And dividing by 1 is easy

And then ur left with the first fraction times the reciprocal of the second fraction

[turbid epoch]

Are there open book math exams in college?

[last oxide]

Ive had many

pointset topology and measure courses did them all open book

metric spaces too

[turbid epoch]

How hard were they?

[last oxide]

just like usual

being open book in a proofs course doesnt help much unless you dont know anything

[turbid epoch]

ah, okay.

[neat lintel]

guys the square root of -1 is a unreal number right?

because it is not really possible to get it

[toxic schooner]

its called an imaginary number, since it doesnt exist in the real numbers

[vagrant kestrel]

whenever you turn a steering wheel you're invoking the existence of the square root of -1

[toxic schooner]

also this

[neat lintel]

what does this mean

[toxic schooner]

when u multiply any number with the square root of 1, u are rotating that number

[tribal dove]

Do u mean negative 1?

[toxic schooner]

well
$-1=i^{2}$

[fathom swallow]

Shyshu of the Golden Water ✓

[toxic schooner]

so yes u are rotating when u multiply with -1
but its when u multiply with i 2 times

[tribal dove]

Cuz the square root of 1 is 1

[tribal dove]

When u multiply a number by 1 nothing happens

[toxic schooner]

i was talking about i

the square root of -1

[tribal dove]

Oh ok

[brave hollow]

idk how much sense "multiplying by i is the same as rotating" makes to someone with no other context

[tribal dove]

You mean how the i number line thingy goes up and down instead of left and right

So you rotate 90 degrees counterclockwise to get from 1 to i

And 1*i = i

[last oxide]

you rotate 90 degress counter clockwise in the complex plane

ye

but that works for any number

(a+bi)i = -b + ai

[turbid epoch]

how coveted are latex skills?

[pale orchid]

it's always a plus in academia, especially when you have to write stuff in collaboration

if you don't have to write stuff in collab or are not in academia, it won't matter

[tribal dove]

I have question

Is i<1

[pale orchid]

complex numbers don't have an order attached to them

an inequality of complex numbers doesn't make sense

[tribal dove]

So is 2i not greater than i

[pale orchid]

there is no good definition of "greater" to begin with

you can compare the magnitudes if you'd like

[tribal dove]

Make no sense

[pale orchid]

the thing is if you try to make a definition that works nicely for i and 2i, as in your example, it won't make sense when comparing i to complex numbers not on the imaginary axis

[tribal dove]

What complex numbers aren’t on the imaginary axis

[pale orchid]

any that have a nonzero real part

[brave hollow]

my fav complex number 6+9I

[tribal dove]

Oh ok