serious-discussion

[leaden torrent]

basically the same as the difference between calc 1/2 and calc 3

[vast surge]

Wait what did you do if you didn't solve ODEs

[leaden torrent]

discussed common techniques like linearization and stuff, most of the course was on solving Ax = x'

for a matrix A

and then did some theoretical existence/uniqueness stuff

but we were never like

given 20 ODEs of ___ form and told to apply some technique to solve them all

[vast surge]

I had like 3 at most

[leaden torrent]

i think i solved a grand total of like 10 nontrivial ODEs throughout the entire semester

and most of that was applying the linearization, matrix exponentials, eigenstuff techniques we were taught

[vast surge]

I did a lot of Laplace transform stuff

[leaden torrent]

this, as far as i can tell, is not the norm

[clever knot]

i still don't really understand the whole notation thing... how sometimes you are allowed to move dx/dy by multiplying but othertimes you are not

[cold needle]

oh my course was like that too

jcf and cayley hamilton for matrix exponential

[leaden torrent]

most of the course grade was on a final project which we defended orally

my prof was like "yeah i looked over your final project and i have no objections so idk what to ask about"

"uhhh"

and then he asked for a proof of like

an elementary result of analysis 1 that i cited without proof

i think like

continuous image of compact set is compact or some shit

[light needle]

jcf moment

[leaden torrent]

i flexxed on him by proving it topologically

[vast surge]

I think my ODE class was very application-focussed

Like 20% of the grade was "hey kids go out and interview someone who works with diffeqs in whatever your major is and write a report on it and do a presentation" so I interviewed like the one ODE guy in my school's applied math group.

I feel like maybe a quarter of the lectures were on applications of ODEs and we spent a solid week talking about springs but the professor hadn't done any physics since his undergrad so it was kind of funny when he'd have to ask the physics majors if he wasn't making mistakes

[astral marsh]

lol

[leaden torrent]

related

my intro analysis course was taught by an algebra prof

but this prof had to go away on some talk for a week

and he said

"to fit the spirit of the course, i decided to get a replacement lecturer who only half-remembers analysis from undergrad"

the replacement lecturer was a fucking

econ prof

like he was the guy teaching me econ 101

[vast surge]

That's kind of hilarious.

[leaden torrent]

yeah he was a totally fine professor

obviously still knew his shit

and unlike the algebra professor, didnt explain everything as "___ functions form an algebra"

the only objection i remember is that he REALLY liked the riemann rearrangement theorem

and spent half a lecture talking about it

giving examples and shit

i dont blame him, riemann rearrangement is based

[vast surge]

My intro analysis is going to be taught by the ODE guy I interviewed for ODE class

And ODE class was taught by a number theorist who was teaching himself the material like an hour before each lecture

And number theory was taught by an applied alg geo guy

[astral marsh]

based

[leaden torrent]

ive posted the differentiable functiosn form an algebra image before

but that wasnt even the worst

[vast surge]

Nobody at my school teaches their kind of math. Other than the algebra prof who teaches algebra

[leaden torrent]

he legit said at one point

"the set of integrable real functions form an algebraic structure"

he did not say what structure it was

he did not define the structure

he said it in the most vague terms possible

to this day, i dont know what he had in mind

they do NOT form an algebra

[vast surge]

Did you him?

Sully your professors when they do things like that

[mild nebula]

He's right, there's some sort of structure that they form

It's definitely something

[vast surge]

Maybe it's a field?

[leaden torrent]

definitely not

theyre not closed under anything

[vast surge]

If $f$ and $g$ are integrable real functions, $f+g$ is, $f-g$ is, $f\cdot g$ is and $\frac{f}{g}$ is?

[fathom swallow]

Wew Bannanachair Tbh

[vast surge]

Just like, good old function addition and function multiplication?

[mild nebula]

f/g needs not be

[leaden torrent]

these arent on a closed interval

[vast surge]

Oh yeah f/g doesn't have to be

So maybe it's just a ring

[mild nebula]

For some reason, f×g strikes me as odd as well

[leaden torrent]

fg isnt lebesgue integral (in general)

it is riemann integrable if on a closed integral

[astral marsh]

can we return to futatsu

[leaden torrent]

but we didnt have the closed interval assumption

[vast surge]

Oh I thought you were doing riemann integrable not lebesgue integrable

[leaden torrent]

we were

but not closed intervals

just on any subset of ℝ

[mild nebula]

Oh so then you can't even add things

[vast surge]

Well then I don't know what it could be

[leaden torrent]

again i dont even know what sort of operations he was allowing

yeah

shits not well defined

in general

[vast surge]

Function convolution

[leaden torrent]

how do you add a function on [1, 2] to a function on (-3, 0] slim

do you like

union their domains assuming its 0

or something

no

subsets of R

well actually

subsets of R^n

but for a fixed n

not that that helps

[vast surge]

Have you tried asking your professor?

[leaden torrent]

this was like 8 years ago and it was an off-hand comment

"yo mate can you explain this 1 thing you probably said subconsciously in a lecture 8 years ago"

"i need to know for discord"

like the full context was

[vast surge]

"Dear Professor,

Your offhand comment from 8 years ago has been keeping me up at night. I must know, what algebraic structure were you referring to? It was driving me to the brink of insanity trying to figure it out.

Sincerely,

Namington"

[leaden torrent]

we were given the lebesgue criterion for riemann integrability on closed intervals

and the prof was like

"this is very nice, since it lets us prove, if defined on the same interval, the sums & products of integrable functions are integrable. however, if we allow more general subsets of ℝ^n, we cannot make the same conclusions; nonetheless, the integrable functions there do form an algebraic structure."

heavily paraphrasing

again, no clue what the fuck he meant

they dont form any structure i can think of

unless your operation is "return the 0 function"

[bronze pelican]

Ichi ,ni, San, yon , go, roku, nana, hachi, kyuu, juu

[terse flax]

I had to learn that in karate

I still remember till rok

[terse flax]

you forgot tsin 😱

and next tsin is go

[clever knot]

So I got rick rolled by my Spotify playlist... And there are at least 300 songs on it ;(

Didn't think it would happen but it did

[neat lintel]

Rick roll is not a bad song tbh

[clever knot]

It isn't bad but now it is a meme

[leaden torrent]

It's just okay

You know a good meme song

Megalovania

[sick burrow]

yoo the channel got renamed

what is Namington up to now

also when will #econ-discussion finally get its name back

[blazing pawn]

this was me actually

[narrow rock]

tteru

[neat lintel]

[blazing pawn]

Soon it will be quebecois eliminated

[broken scaffold]

{{{}}{}}

um did I count right

well that seems pointless

"no"

I want quiche

[astral marsh]

tf language is this

can we go back to futatsu

[leaden torrent]

mongolian

pronounced "khoyor" thanks

[astral marsh]

at least 第二

[leaden torrent]

yes

but its not like russian at all besides that

[astral marsh]

what's the history of mongol invasions in russia

[leaden torrent]

they just adopted cyrillic when russia did a colonialism

[broken scaffold]

@dull salmon do you know δν notation?

[latent forge]

watch angolmois

[astral marsh]

oh so russia invaded the mongols

[latent forge]

its better

[astral marsh]

i see

or colonialized them

lol

[broken scaffold]

δεζ νυτζ

[astral marsh]

that makes me think of DNS errors

deez nuts

[leaden torrent]

well colonization is the wrong word since they didnt really settle it much

but yes they conquered mongolia

[astral marsh]

did the mongols control russia before

[leaden torrent]

mongolia was a SSR for a while

[astral marsh]

that'd be funny

[leaden torrent]

briefly yes

but like

[astral marsh]

a reverse colonialism

[leaden torrent]

centuries before

[astral marsh]

well

'colonialism'

reverse conquer

[leaden torrent]

i mean the remnants of the mongols controlled the region we now know as russia for a whiiiile

a bunch of small russian states all paid tribute to the golden horde

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_Kievan_Rus'#Age_of_Mongol_rule

the "tatar yoke"

[terse flax]

khazan khaganate

[limber perch]

I recommend Khan Academy for beginners

[neat lintel]

daily reminder that a medical journal published a paper rediscovering the trapezoid rule in 1994 which got like 75 citations

[analog salmon]

and they named it after themself

RESEARCH DESIGN AND METHODS–In Tai’s Model, the total area under a curve is computed by dividing the area under the curve between two designated values on the X-axis (abscissas) into small segments (rectangles and triangles) whose areas can be accurately calculated from their respective geometrical formulas.

[sick burrow]

why do people call them clopen sets and never oposed sets

or osed

or olosed

or oplosed

[velvet dagger]

I think Popeye's just wins the chicken sandwich competition

Like holy shit it's good

[clever knot]

who is all in competing?

maybe this is exclusive to fast food places

also what is xoep at the end of this discussion?

[velvet dagger]

Probably 2 in some language

[clever knot]

maybe

[leaden torrent]

yews its mongolian

those are cyrillic characters

its pronounced "khoyor"

[grim token]

Yo wtf

xoep

??

Is this another #discussion-5 moment?

[jovial ember]

Sandwich my dick in yo butt

[bronze pelican]

[jovial ember]

I’m trying to get Dami

Until he admits it

So I’m just trying until he goes “okay, you got me”

[velvet dagger]

Or until you admit this dick in yo mouth

[jovial ember]

-_-

[velvet dagger]

Like

Come on

Those are homotopic

[jovial ember]

I’ll get you

[velvet dagger]

You can't -_- me

[jovial ember]

One day

Yeah

They are

[velvet dagger]

You will try

[jovial ember]

But my idea of a good ligma isn’t invariant under homotopy

[velvet dagger]

It is tho

You just don't know it

[jovial ember]

Okay

Avtually

I realize

I can -_- you

Because mine was also a -_-

[velvet dagger]

Tru

-_-

[latent forge]

are rants or ramblings allowed on this server

[narrow rock]

no

[latent forge]

waiting for mod approval

[maiden lily]

I’m the official spokesperson for the mods

No

[neat lintel]

they are allowed if you're a moderator but not otherwise

[jovial ember]

Rants go in ivory

Holy shit I already got very active again

-_-

[latent forge]

what were you before

also this means i can ramble

[jovial ember]

Emeritus

[latent forge]

rip ur too active

[jovial ember]

I left the server for months and came back like…

A week ago or some shit

[latent forge]

months?

like 3

[jovial ember]

Idk, 3,4?

[latent forge]

oh cool

thats why ur name has versions

also ramblings will occur sooner than later

[reef carbon]

what the fuck is a xoëp

[distant vortex]

^^^

[neat lintel]

2 in mongolian

[distant vortex]

Cool!

[grim token]

Cool!

=)

Ah yes Khmer

https://tenor.com/view/កម្ពុជា-khmer-khmer-flag-cambodia-ខ្មែរ-gif-14545302

[wispy dune]

Sus

[cold needle]

..

[terse flax]

flag of Cambodia

[stray kite]

someone forgot to colour it

[terse flax]

False

it's colored with white color

[stray kite]

or maybe the flags part of one of those colouring books

[terse flax]

[neat lintel]

[summer nest]

@terse flaxwhat's PRS?

[terse flax]

President of the Royal Society

FRS is Fellow

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fellow_of_the_Royal_Society

[icy forge]

ForMemRS are the rare ones

[terse flax]

[cold needle]

sanidis

[ancient flame]

ForMemeRS

[bronze pelican]

Finished taking my Algebra and Topology quals

I think I passed Algebra, probably didn't pass Topology

[odd narwhal]

There's separate quals for each subject?

[leaden torrent]

yes

why would an algebra student be expected to know grad level analysis

(besides what is required by their subfield)

typically schools have an algebra qual, analysis qual, and topology qual which cover the first-year courses in each subject

some have more

[odd narwhal]

So you aren't required to do them all?

[leaden torrent]

no

[odd narwhal]

Cool

[leaden torrent]

you take whichever ones are relevant to your research

[neat lintel]

I thought most schools require at least algebra and analysis

[odd narwhal]

Which year is quals usually taken at?

[leaden torrent]

first year

[odd narwhal]

But what if you don't have an advisor yet?

[leaden torrent]

they require you to take a first year course in it, sure

they dont require you to pass quals

[neat lintel]

I guess it depends on the school

[leaden torrent]

you should still know your broad field

if you make it to the end of 1st year without even knowing what research you wanna do

thats... impressive

and you should probably do C* algebras or some shit since no one else wants to put up with analysis + algebra at once

[bronze pelican]

Does depend on the school, Stony Brook has a single comprehensive exam which tests Algebra, Real Analysis, Topology, and Complex Analysis

[modest rune]

Idk nami I’ve def heard of people who don’t decide on a field for a long time

@vivid halo knows one

[leaden torrent]

huh

do they just delay quals then

or do they take all of them

[modest rune]

Wdym quals aren’t determined by speciality?

All grad students at my school take the same quals

Or at least they pick from the same batch

[velvet dagger]

Yeah that's a thing

[leaden torrent]

well sure its school dependent

[odd narwhal]

This was just the discussion above max

[leaden torrent]

but most only require you to take quals in your focus

[velvet dagger]

Chicago makes everyone take all the first year classes

[modest rune]

Is that true nami

Fuck

I wish

[leaden torrent]

i only needed to take an algebra qual

[modest rune]

But you’re a topologist

[leaden torrent]

though i still needed to take a course in graduate analysis

[velvet dagger]

I think it's hard to generalize here

Because like

There's courses and then there's quals

[leaden torrent]

[velvet dagger]

Some places let you pass a class and replace a qual

[modest rune]

Ironically namington I dont have to take analysis but I do have to take the qual lmfao

[velvet dagger]

Some places don't

The qual is all that matters

[leaden torrent]

anyway this shit varies from school to school

some schools dont even have quals

[modest rune]

Woke

[bronze pelican]

Did you take quals yet

[modest rune]

No

[velvet dagger]

And in places like that it's common to do one of two things

[leaden torrent]

others are like princeton where your qual is basically a belated interview

[modest rune]

I’m only taking one

[leaden torrent]

a really really really fucking hard interview

but still

[modest rune]

Quals are just hazing

[velvet dagger]

Either everyone takes an analysis qual, an algebra qual, and a topology qual

[odd narwhal]

Would you rather have an oral or written exam

[bronze pelican]

Fact

[leaden torrent]

oral

im a good bullshitter

[velvet dagger]

Or they have more options (eg real and complex separate, maybe an applied qual, etc) and you choose

[modest rune]

Oral bc it’s just better

[velvet dagger]

Yeah oral is nice because

[neat lintel]

I would rather have written, then I don't have to feel embarrassed looking straight at a prof as I bullshit an answer

[bronze pelican]

Bro I'm exhausted, 6 hrs of test taking

[velvet dagger]

Let's say you're blanking on step 1

No idea how to proceed

[odd narwhal]

Damn that's intense

[velvet dagger]

If it's written you're just fucking dead

Oral they can give you a tiny hint

Now you can finish

[leaden torrent]

oral exams are more forgiving of things like "we can show..."

[bronze pelican]

The worst thing is when you can't do a problem because you don't remember the definition of something

[modest rune]

Yeah on a written exam partial credit can only be given for a failure to do the last parts of a problem, on an oral exam you can get partial no matter where you trip up

[velvet dagger]

Yeah but you test out in that case

Point being, by the end of first year you have to know the material of the classes

Either by having taken them or because you already knew

[bronze pelican]

I wish someone made video lectures on Daniel Bump's Automorphic Forms and Representations book

[narrow rock]

Bump

[cold needle]

bump

[sly thistle]

D.Bump

[bronze pelican]

https://youtu.be/LywEgd98KMI

This guys voice is so raspy(?)

[neat lintel]

Maybe he just has a shit tier mic

[limber perch]

I guess we're all but a mathe stack exchange thread now

[vagrant kestrel]

sounds like an audiobook voice lmao

[grim token]

smoking

[latent forge]

Anyone want in on a big security fraud busting scheme where we profit over crypto abusers illegal activities

[sleek wing]

I run several

[latent forge]

not an advertisement btw

[sleek wing]

oh nvm I didn't see the word "busting"

[latent forge]

i think i have written a bot that determines the wallet of the head of pump and dumps on discord

i wrote a bot for bscscans that helps me do it too

same thing for rugpullers

since its relatively the same concept

rn i just need help with dummy wallets

also im not sure if the bots find the head of wallet accurately

because it is based on frequency of pump and dumps because the heads usually do them routinely

rip ig wrong server

[analog salmon]

Ah yes, the 5 kinds of math

[torn willow]

Those lads are too unhot for hott

[fringe needle]

Applied analysis

[bronze pelican]

TIL you could customize Outlook theme and color

I made mine light mode with red color

[azure kettle]

tf is applied analysis

calculus but you do epsilon delta?

[neat lintel]

Probably just calculus i’d guess

Like engineering and such

[sharp mulch]

Fourier stuff, pdes, numerics

Perhaps

[deep mango]

Outlook

[deep mango]

Usually this refers to stuff like perturbation theory, WKB theory, asymptotic analysis.

[azure kettle]

I see

[astral marsh]

@iron osprey how to get better chest activation in bench press

feel like it's killing my shoulders more than anything

[last oxide]

you dont

either that or try as hard as you can to retract your scapula

[astral marsh]

what's that

anyways should I just do pec flys after then

[last oxide]

you know those "bones" that stick out of your back?

[astral marsh]

sure, shoulder blades

[last oxide]

ye, so if you retract and depress them, you can stretch your chest more

I personally would do flies first, even

as some kind of pre activation

[astral marsh]

actually gristle told me to do inclined dumbell flys

I was thinking of the machine right now but I'll try that

I put on +2.5lbs on my bicep curls this session, pretty cool

[last oxide]

so like
remember that the bench press doesnt do the main movement your chest does, or rather, does it as a consequence
since it is not monoarticular, you are using the press movement to adduct(close) your arms because of it

[astral marsh]

so what is the primary purpose and consequence of training bench press

[last oxide]

well
it does target your chest, but togeter with the front delts and triceps
it really depends on on how you do it too

[astral marsh]

Feels that way for sure

[last oxide]

my simplest advice would be to start with a monoarticular movement

so flies, crossovers or anything like that

tho, be careful cause your strength on the bench press as a second or third exercise will obviously go down

also, I know this is an overused meme but breathing rhythmically really helps too

[astral marsh]

@last oxide okay doing inclined dumbbell flys but I still don't feel it in my chest

front delts hurting way more

[last oxide]

do you have some kind of pulley?

[astral marsh]

no dumbbell

[last oxide]

hmm
it is hard to tell because flies with dumbells have a really uneven tension curve

like

youll basically do nothing at the top and all the work at the bottom

[astral marsh]

Should I emphasize the concentric portion

[last oxide]

if you are feeling it completely on your shoulder maybe going really light for a few sets helps

and then going up again

how wide do you open your elbows?

[astral marsh]

Nah I sunk way lower into it and then kinda visualized crushing something between my hands and I felt it in my pecs now

[last oxide]

pog

crushing between your elbows would make more sense I think
ideally your hands should be some kind of placeholders

[astral marsh]

woo failure on 8th rep

[last oxide]

but if it helps, it helps

[astral marsh]

this feels much better than previous workouts

I see

[last oxide]

well, the mere fact you are paying attention to your motion already means you are gonna progress somehow

[astral marsh]

well I talked to gristle about how to actually progress at a fast rate and I realized that I incorporated the key points he talked about inadvertently in one of my earlier bicep workouts

I basically fucked around and did a huge ass drop set that killed my arms for a week

Now I know to chase after that intensity

[last oxide]

good

tho be careful with the kind of effort perception you get

a resistance kind of workout gives a very different kind of fatigue than a strength focused one

[astral marsh]

okay

[last oxide]

and if you want hypertrofy Id strive to get a bit of both

[astral marsh]

I mean I do stick to the 8-12 rep zone generally

Sometimes 17 when I put on a song for a knockout set

[last oxide]

if that is the range where you fail, that is good for most things
how long does the set take?

[astral marsh]

At the same weight level

I mean I generally do like 1/0/1.5/.5 for extension/pause/contraction/pause

[last oxide]

what I mean by different kinds of fatigue is kinda like
after a localized resistance workout you will feel pain and will fail by feeling it burn a lot
after a strength workout you will feel some kind of mechanical failure where you feel kinda lazy/incapable of doing another rep
ideally hypertrofy has a bit of these two

[astral marsh]

I see

[last oxide]

that sounds pretty good
but I may be biased
my tempo is pretty similar to that I think
something like 2010

of course
final reps are more like 1020 but

either way, talking about sets I think anything between 30-90 seconds is good
dont need to count, but I feel like outside of this range you are either doing too much strength or resistance

strengh sets are like 20 seconds

[vast surge]

I got the independent study that I asked for!

[cold needle]

awesome

[vast surge]

Yeah

I really like the professor and I spent like 3 days panicking "oh god I made an ass of myself in this email, asking for an independent study this late" but she just had a backlog of emails to reply to

[velvet dagger]

Dank

What topic?

@vast surge

[crystal stone]

N E R D

[vast surge]

Commalg

[neat lintel]

[thorn brook]

What is independent study anyway lol?

You just study on your own?

So you can study the whole course on your own and get points from it?

Yooo this sounds dope from stuff I found online

I guess that you still need to do homework and stuff like that? Like the final exam and stuff right?

[crystal stone]

You form a contract with a prof to do some learning

There's less emphasis on a rigid pace or point system

and more on understanding the topics

[thorn brook]

Hmm yeah okay I see. Do you get like any credits from it?

[crystal stone]

You can

I've done 3 or 4 independent study contracts

It's completely normal in the US to do these

I did one at CC, one at UCLA, one at UC Irvine, and two at CSULB

Huh that's 5

[thorn brook]

Hmm yeah okay I see. Do you think that I can just sign a contract directly on my first day at uni? Would that even be a good idea?

[clever knot]

Why some many places?

[thorn brook]

Maybe I should chill first

[clever knot]

I have heard of independent study projects but why would it be occuring at multiple uni?

Did you just transfer to different places or something

[crystal stone]

well I studied at 4 different colleges

3 of which are universities and one is my old community college

[clever knot]

Oh

So you transfered every year or something

[thorn brook]

Do you need to do anything before signing those contracts? Like paperwork or something similar or do you just go “lemme do this bro”?

[crystal stone]

It depends, but usually I had to fill out paperwork, find a faculty to agree

and then write about what chapters we will cover

[thorn brook]

Yeah okay I see I see

[crystal stone]

I did my Associates at CC, BS at UCLA, MS at CSULB, and I did a concurrent enrollment while in my MS at UC Irvine

[vast surge]

Basically what it is is you can study a topic not normally offered as a course

[crystal stone]

3 years at CC, 2 years at UCLA, 2 years at CSULB

[vast surge]

By asking a professor to basically monitor you as you read a textbook

[crystal stone]

I did a contract course w/ 2 of my friends

we just met in his office and talked for 2.5 hours once a week

So it doesn't necessarily have to be "independent"

[vast surge]

Generally you check in like once or twice a week, so the prof can check on your progress, but it's very individually-driven

[clever knot]

But I assume the prod knows the subject?

Prof*

[vast surge]

Yeah. I asked a commalg researcher for my commalg independent study, for example

That way they'll be able to offer advice and help, and adequately gauge your progress through the textbook

[thorn brook]

Yeah okay I see. Thanks for the info, both of you!

[crystal stone]

Sometimes

[clever knot]

So it is basically equivalent to making a new class for you?

[crystal stone]

sometimes

Sometimes you're just doing new stuff and other times it's a course they've taught in the past

but don't have the interest to offer it again

[vast surge]

Basically, but no real lectures to speak of, and you do most of the work, they're just there to help and guide you along the way

[crystal stone]

But essentially it's a course that is mostly laid back

because profs don't want to grade

[thorn brook]

Yooo this sounds so fricking dope

[vast surge]

Yeah

[thorn brook]

Maybe I will talk to some prof after like a week or two idk

[clever knot]

Hmm we had something like that in highschool kinda. People could go out of school to do crap with a business or field and it got approved by the principal and you just had to write up what you were doing each week

[vast surge]

They're like a way to just read a textbook for fun but get credit for it and have a prof whose job is to answer questions on the topic for you

[narrow rock]

what was your 197 on moonbears

[crystal stone]

Fourier w/ Garnett

[thorn brook]

Or maybe I should calm down and see if it is already stressful as it is

[crystal stone]

I did a 199 at Irvine

Which was just the research stuff

[narrow rock]

I did 4 197s

I did not get any credit for one of them

[crystal stone]

Did you get a letter?

[narrow rock]

?

[crystal stone]

or are you going to get one

a good letter for doing the 197

[narrow rock]

oh

idk

I will ask the prof

I dont know if it will be good lmao

[clever knot]

What is 197?

[crystal stone]

Apparently my letters were really fucking strong

[narrow rock]

reading course

nice

[crystal stone]

My manager at my work saw my referral letters to work here

and she told me what they more or less said

And I was like w0t

I dunno what's in those

[narrow rock]

what did they say

[clever knot]

Is it not a standard reading course I take it?

[crystal stone]

They said that I was well above your average PhD applicant and that I'd go on to have a good career

[narrow rock]

oh wow

noice

from garnett?

[crystal stone]

I wish ||my transcript reflected that||

Lord no

I had my topology professor, my analysis research mentor, and my math education prof write me letters for work

For PhD applications it's topology prof, analysis research mentor, and analysis prof from LB

[narrow rock]

topology prof?

[crystal stone]

Since they're more in contact with the work I've done recently

Ryan Blair

[narrow rock]

noice

the knot theory dude?

[crystal stone]

https://web.csulb.edu/~rblair/

[narrow rock]

or low dim top?

[crystal stone]

Yeah, I did knot theory and 3 manifold topology under him

I was able to reprove a result in the paper I read using 3 manifold topology instead of weird homological stuff

[narrow rock]

[crystal stone]

It was pretty small, and he helped me

and he said "This is so trivial no one would write it up, but cool!"

[narrow rock]

I got into DSP

[crystal stone]

DSP?

Digital Signal Processing?

[narrow rock]

masters

[crystal stone]

Oh

[narrow rock]

departmental scholars

[crystal stone]

That thing

[narrow rock]

ye

[crystal stone]

Isn't that just paperwork

[narrow rock]

maybe idk

[crystal stone]

Oh the department is hiring for some sort of academic advisor

I threw my hat in the ring

[clever knot]

So you plan on getting a PhD or something?

[crystal stone]

I probably won't go, especially since I don't want to move back to LA

[crystal stone]

Eventually I'll get one

If they don't accept me, I'll force my way in

[narrow rock]

wait would you be working with connie

lmao

[crystal stone]

yUh

[clever knot]

This might sound dumb but don't you eventually run out of courses?

[narrow rock]

HAHAHAHAHAHAH

[crystal stone]

The pay scale is real nice

It'd double my current salary

I think connie makes 6 figs

[narrow rock]

cool

[crystal stone]

That's more than the post-docs

[narrow rock]

[crystal stone]

Like way more

[blazing pawn]

the circle of life

[crystal stone]

The only way I'd go back is if they give me near the max which is six figs

But I don't think that'll happen

[narrow rock]

do it if you can lol

[sharp mulch]

Disabled students program

[narrow rock]

it would make freshmen and new transfers very happy

[crystal stone]

lol

[deep mango]

the good thing about working with connie is you give all those students an alternative

[crystal stone]

Hey this guy's not a piece of shit and he actually can guide people through classes, programs, and what careers are out there

[deep mango]

oh

brofib already said basically that

[narrow rock]

sniped

[deep mango]

[narrow rock]

[crystal stone]

I'm also interviewing for a similar position at the UT

I made it to round 2 for that

[narrow rock]

noice

UT looks like a fun place

[crystal stone]

Yeah, I think the biggest perk is after one year of work I can take classes for free

and my lunch breaks can be in math seminars

So I can network, take a class, then apply

Or even take their quals

[narrow rock]

you cant do that at LA?

[crystal stone]

There's no one I want to work with at LA

[narrow rock]

[crystal stone]

Garnett's Retired, Visan's got a stick up her butt, Terry is too busy and I'm not good enough

I'm not a fan of fcnl

Nobody does knots and 3 manifolds there

[narrow rock]

I think Biskup does probability stuff

[narrow rock]

Sarkar

[crystal stone]

From what I've heard of Biskup and who is the german

His name escapes me right now

Wait

Is bill duke taking students?

[narrow rock]

idk

probably?

[crystal stone]

If he's taking students I'd work with him

But I think that's about it

[narrow rock]

Im pretty sure Sarkar and Honda take students

if you want to do low dim stuff

[crystal stone]

I met Honda, I talked to him at lunch

and he said LDT doesn't really interest him

[narrow rock]

both of them seem to be doing cool shit

[crystal stone]

Sarkar might be doing interesting stuff

[clever knot]

So is end goal with PhD eventually to collect enough data to make possibly a whole another topic or branch of math? And also understand more about the branches of math we already created

[narrow rock]

https://www.ams.org/journals/jams/2014-27-04/S0894-0347-2014-00785-2/S0894-0347-2014-00785-2.pdf

really cool shit

[crystal stone]

I could probably get into that

I went to a few talks by Marco and Gong

Gong had the same roommate at LA, that I had during my undergrad

[leaden torrent]

no.

its to contribute original research

[narrow rock]

the end goal is to get a postdoc

[leaden torrent]

this research is very very rarely revolutionary

especially from a phd student

[clever knot]

Well I meant more so as someone who has a PhD and is a researcher I guess

Like with regards to math has there really been the creation of another branch or subject of math recently?

Like how old is all this set theory, topology, etc stuff? Is it more recent or has it been a thing for quite some time

[leaden torrent]

scholze invents a new field every few months

but besides exceptional cases, such groundbreaking stuff is rare

[neat lintel]

Hott was pretty recent, although i gather that the sentiment towards it is mixed

[leaden torrent]

that said, theres a lot of new math coming out all the time

check arxiv

[vast surge]

The end goal is tenure

[leaden torrent]

why is hott the first example you think of wtf

[narrow rock]

hott

[neat lintel]

Because that’s the math im most familiar with

[narrow rock]

[neat lintel]

Like branch

[leaden torrent]

ew

[velvet dagger]

Lmao

[neat lintel]

Theorem provers and all that

[velvet dagger]

Hott

[clever knot]

Is it it is own thing or is it a sub genre or something else?

[velvet dagger]

But yeah I mean... How recent is recent Brandon?

[leaden torrent]

yeah define recent

[clever knot]

Idk I feel like math is old

[narrow rock]

IUTT is recent

[leaden torrent]

is the langlands program recent

[clever knot]

Like even 100 year

[velvet dagger]

OH

I have some news for you buddy

[leaden torrent]

anything you learn in grad school is younger than 100 years

[velvet dagger]

A metric fuckton of math has been created in that time

[clever knot]

Im sure all the physics stuff

[leaden torrent]

at least after first year

[clever knot]

And computers and stuff all

[leaden torrent]

noethers formulation of ring theory is barely 100 years old lmao

all of comm alg is younger than that

and therefore all of algebra

[velvet dagger]

Modern algebraic topology, scheme theory, homological algebra, geometric group theory, the Langlands program

[narrow rock]

modern homotopy theory

[clever knot]

And they are just so out there they get their own field?

[leaden torrent]

analysis is a couple decades older, thanks weierstrass

[velvet dagger]

Yeah

It does not resemble 1800s math at all

[narrow rock]

category theory

[crystal stone]

Hats off to Fourier

Even analysts got dooped by the gometry folks

Lookin' at you Ahlfors

[velvet dagger]

Definitely some subsets of analysis are recent

Microlocal is more new

[leaden torrent]

obviously.

[narrow rock]

tbf everything is about elliptic integrals

[leaden torrent]

dynamics in general

[clever knot]

So do you even reach all the main fields as math major or up into PhD or is there just too much

[velvet dagger]

Way too much

[leaden torrent]

define "main fields"

[velvet dagger]

You can learn the foundations of most areas pretty well

[crystal stone]

You don't unless you're Dami

[leaden torrent]

you learn very basic algebra, analysis, topology

[velvet dagger]

But it's very hard to get to research level in that much stuff

[narrow rock]

[velvet dagger]

Lol I'm trying to be that guy

[crystal stone]

I've gotten up to research in certain subsets of analysis and topology

I've been told multiple times to just hone in on one

[velvet dagger]

Ultra and I are probably the ones with the most broad interests on this server. Especially ultra since I haven't really gotten into logic

[leaden torrent]

a math phd knows, at best, like 0.1% of math out there

but thats because most fields beyond the basics are rabbit holes of 500 papers

[narrow rock]

shamrock

[sharp mulch]

Does shamrock have diverse interests?

[crystal stone]

Yeah

[velvet dagger]

Shamrock is pretty diverse

Geometry at large, kinda logic

[narrow rock]

idk if he's interested in them

[sharp mulch]

My interests include biology, earth sciences, and engineering

[velvet dagger]

Idk if he's as big on analysis as I am

[narrow rock]

but he knows a wide range of stuff

[crystal stone]

ok, no one cares about non-math diversity ok

[sharp mulch]

[crystal stone]

Biology isn't even a real subject

[leaden torrent]

"no one cares about [...] diversity" - moonbears

cancel moonbears???

[crystal stone]

uh oh

[sharp mulch]

Moonbears is cancelled

[narrow rock]

cancelled

[crystal stone]

Don't post that on twitter

Put down the phone

PUT IT DOWN

[narrow rock]

it's too late moonbears

[crystal stone]

My college has a poster with Abigail Thompson on it

[velvet dagger]

Omae wa mou

cancelled

[crystal stone]

Celebrating women and diversity in math

I thought it was funny

[neat lintel]

,w Abigail Thompson

[fathom swallow]

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[narrow rock]

do you remember all the portraits they had in the math building

[crystal stone]

If you don't know, Abigail Thompson came out against the diversity, equity, and inclusion in hiring practices at the UCs

[narrow rock]

they took them all down

[crystal stone]

She won an award for it

[narrow rock]

what

[crystal stone]

So it's funny to see her on an old poster about diversity

[leaden torrent]

well she came out against mandatory diversity statements in employment

[crystal stone]

You can read her actual statement

[leaden torrent]

tbh i agree that theyre kinda silly

but her reasons are dumb

i dislike them because they encourage you to game/bullshit the app

not because of her dumb

[crystal stone]

Seeing resumes and CVs that say you specifically mentored each kid of different ethnicities is a little jarring

[leaden torrent]

Mathematics must be open and welcoming to everyone, to those who have traditionally been excluded, and to those holding unpopular viewpoints.

this reeks of tolerant of intolerance

[crystal stone]

Anyway I didn't want to get sidetracked into that. My topology prof is in the same academic family and it's been pretty heated

[neat lintel]

Yes! I am based, but this will not prevent me from being welcomed to the math community

[crystal stone]

It was just funny that she was on a poster promoting her

For something she's against

[leaden torrent]

sure

[crystal stone]

One of my friends did a presentation on one of her papers

I think LDT is just a field where rigor doesn't exist

"If you just reverse this process and keep track of how many times you did this, then the process is reversible"

Wow thanks Thompson

[neat lintel]

That's why I'm always skeptical of topology and geometry stuff

[vivid halo]

yea so Abby came out against mandatory diversity statements, not diversity initiatives as such

[velvet dagger]

I feel like topologists are sketch in general

[narrow rock]

and geometers

[velvet dagger]

5% of published papers are incorrect and probably 2/3 of the incorrect ones are in topology

[vivid halo]

which I largely agree with her on, I don't think it's at all useful to force people to write a diversity statement which for a lot of people amounts to just toeing a certain political line

[velvet dagger]

Mandatory diversity statements prob don't make a whole lot of sense

Some folk just don't have much to say

[vivid halo]

having everyone do this muddies the waters. Having people bring this up in their letters when it's appropriate and actually applicable to their career is very appropriate and paints a much clearer picture as to which people actually care about this stuff

[deep mango]

this is true, the amount of people who i see being like "how can i fudge my diversity statement?" in the grad apps process

like

it's bad

i much preferred being able to just talk about the outreach stuff i'm involved with in my main statements, since it actually fits into the narrative of my math interests, and doesn't need to be cordoned off into some little blurb.

[vivid halo]

exactly

[deep mango]

of course i was mostly talking about outreach stuff and less about my personal experiences with inclusion in the math community

so

idk how that side of things translates

[azure kettle]

what is the diversity statement

[vivid halo]

and again I think the thing that's so bad about mandatory statements to this effect is that it makes it less clear which people actually care, and which people are just playing the political game

so the diversity statement amounted to like, writing about why you think diversity and equity is important, what you will do to work towards this in the department, etc

[velvet dagger]

Yeah that's the problem

[azure kettle]

I see

[vivid halo]

which has the obvious consequence of people just bullshitting

[azure kettle]

ya, I feel like that's just an invitation for bullshit lmao

[velvet dagger]

Honestly I imagine people would appreciate if someone's diversity statement was just something like

[deep mango]

some grad schools have you add a little essay thing about the setbacks relating to your history/identity and/or outreach stuff you've done to help other people who have faced setbacks

it's not like

[vivid halo]

yea that's fine

[deep mango]

first of all people told me "oh yeah, EVERY grad school has you do one!"

[vivid halo]

that's fairly different from what this kind of diversity and equity statement is

[deep mango]

which was false, only about half the schools i applied to even mentioned it

[velvet dagger]

"Yeah let me put it straight, I do believe diversity is a good thing but I'm not gonna twist that lunch I had with a student the other day to talk about class field theory as evidence of my commitment to diversity. I'm about as generic as most of you"

[deep mango]

and also, while the statements sometimes had prompts formatted like this: "why you think diversity and equity is important, what you will do to work towards this in the department" what they mean is "give concrete examples of how this stuff impacts you and how you've done outreach to help"

like

[azure kettle]

honestly idek what I could write for what I've done

[vivid halo]

when I was writing stuff like this for grad applications I mostly talked about coming from a community college background and how this shaped my perspective about helping students from disadvantaged or nonstandard college backgrounds

[azure kettle]

like I try to shut down shitty "jokes" made at the expense of some identities

[vivid halo]

[azure kettle]

but not much more ngl

[deep mango]

i mean are you involved with a math club / association on campus? other extracurriculars?

[vivid halo]

a true ally 👏

[deep mango]

this is not what they mean lol

even if it's good

[sharp mulch]

It doesn't just need to be stuff that you've done

It can also be stuff that you want to do

[light needle]

I don’t use racial slurs, most of the times. I’m a great ally now let me in

[deep mango]

yes but this carries more weight when you have something to back it up

[sharp mulch]

How it informs your attitudes towards your work

Sure

But like

[azure kettle]

I just really mald whenever I hear "I identify as xyz" jokes

apart from being an ally, it's just painfully unfunny

[sharp mulch]

If you don't have anything to back it up with

[light needle]

That’s actually v chad ng

Oh rip delete

[vivid halo]

yea I realized we're not in ivory

[deep mango]

oh

[sharp mulch]

Poros are you applying for math grad school

[deep mango]

LMAO

[vivid halo]

lord no

[deep mango]

slim NEEEDS that diversity statement injection

[light needle]

Slim really wants to use the f word

[azure kettle]

I am not ange

[vivid halo]

slim I can do that as long as you're fine with getting doxxed and instantly cancelled

[sharp mulch]

Oh

[azure kettle]

considering I'm an electrical engineering major, I dont think my chances are too high if I did apply

[sharp mulch]

You never know

They don't really care about major

Just math

[light needle]

Slim is already cancelled for DN jokes

[sharp mulch]

Math courses

[azure kettle]

ya, but I'm planning on continuing in engineering anyways

[sharp mulch]

How much math you know

Etc...

[deep mango]

love doing analysis

can't be cancelled by math twitter

[vivid halo]

they probably could yea lol

[light needle]

This is why I self dox

No one else can do me now

[vivid halo]

I mean also that chad doesn't really accept new people lol

like if you wanted access to the general server, then fine, there's just not that much activity unless you like homotopy theory

[light needle]

Smh I have many dox simps ok

[vivid halo]

and even then

I guess there are some talks every so often but we haven't had one in a bit

there's also anime streams

we watched the old Transformers movie a month ago or so

the 1986 animated one

was a fucking banger

Several critics greatly favor the original over the remakes; Den of Geek remembered it as "The Great Toy Massacre of 1986" which "traumatized a generation of kids with a string of startling deaths", and as "a milestone in animation history".

do you know the story about kids being traumatized by this movie?

[light needle]

Is this Christian mom moment

[vivid halo]

no no like

[calm vortex]

I strongly believe that with enough training everyone can do mathematics regardless of their race, ethnicity, gender or any other identity. I assure that there will not be any form of discrimination from my side based on any identity.

[vivid halo]

Optimus prime dies within the first like 15 minutes of the movie

which caused whole movie theaters of kids to COMPLETELY LOSE THEIR SHIT

[calm vortex]

Is this enough for a good diversity statement?

[vivid halo]

lol

[sharp mulch]

No

It isn't

That's like

[calm vortex]

or what is it exactly, I don't understand

[sharp mulch]

The bare minimum

Aibgail Thomson (Thompson?) got in trouble about this

She's cancelled now

[calm vortex]

I don't about know her. Will read about it.

[leaden torrent]

thats literally the convo

[vivid halo]

just write this

[clever knot]

I like the font

[brave hollow]

who doesn't like comic sans

[clever knot]

Also the black and white colors

Needs more color

All the colors

[vivid halo]

to summarize the Thompson debacle what happened was she wrote an article that criticized the use of mandatory diversity statements in the UC system for hiring purposes, the point being this muddies the waters with regards to who actually cares about this and that there's a certain extent to which these statements serve no other purpose than to force people to toe a political line, be it honestly or otherwise

[neat lintel]

I like the font. Well I don't, so fuck you!

[clever knot]

😲

[vivid halo]

a bunch of people lost their shit over her article and tried to petition for people to explicitly dissuade people from applying to the program she worked at or was associated with

/tried to get her fired for this

there was then a very large letter in the notices for the AMS which thousands of people signed stating that this kind of political intimidation is unacceptable

[leaden torrent]

well ng that isnt how she phrased the complaint

[sharp mulch]

There were many sides

I think there were 3 large letters in the notices

I signed one of them

[leaden torrent]

she phrased it as roughly "mathematics should tolerate controversial opinions just as it should tolerate minorities"

which is the worst possible argument

[vivid halo]

I don't think she said anything remotely bad enough to prompt that kind of professional backlash

her argument was poorly stated I agree

[leaden torrent]

besides perhaps "those oppressed folk have it comin anyway"

[neat lintel]

What kinds of controversial opinions?

[leaden torrent]

anti-diversity

[vivid halo]

some anti-diversity measures to be fair

[neat lintel]

I'm also not sure what people who want "diversity and inclusion" actually want

[leaden torrent]

typically just lip service

[vivid halo]

I don't think her opinion on the matter is remotely close to "anyone that isn't white male needs to suck it up and deserves no accommodation in the academy"

[deep mango]

opinions don't need to be that opinion to still be somewhat bad

[astral marsh]

was this the article where it was comparing diversity statements to mccarthyism

[vivid halo]

iirc she was specifically comparing the practice of mandatory political statements to the same practice of political reeducation that e.g. Maoists would use

[sharp mulch]

Yes

[vivid halo]

which is a completely fair analogy to be fair

perhaps not in severity, but it is the same mechanism

[calm vortex]

okay she compared it to cultural marxism?

[vivid halo]

no lol

[deep mango]

the problem is the hyperbolicity though

[calm vortex]

Maoists actually kill people

these people are asking for diversity and inclusion

both are not even remotely similar

[vivid halo]

I don't think it's so hyperbolic in the sense that this is the exact same reeducation strategy, to a tee

[leaden torrent]

i feel like you could really troll twitter with this

like

"abigail thompson is proof white women shouldnt be allowed to have an opinion"

[vivid halo]

yikes

[light needle]

Tankies be like: actually this is a good thing

[deep mango]

like when you communicate stuff in a way that is ridiculously over the top, there's no longer any room for dialogue of "ok, well, how can we work on improving this system so that it actually benefits inclusion instead of just incentivizing people to write what they know is wanted?"

[vivid halo]

Nami there is LITERALLY NOTHING GOOD that ever comes from "trolling math twitter"

[leaden torrent]

tell that to buzzard

[vivid halo]

Buzzard isn't a troll, he's a 100% genuine idiot

[astral marsh]

what'd he do

[vivid halo]

I mean he just posts stupid takes all the time about computer proof assistants

[astral marsh]

imagine doing lean instead of drinking it

[deep mango]

someone at the summer school here is a coq fiend

[bronze pelican]

[vivid halo]

he's the kind of person that will jump into a conversation on the AT server with "you wrote two topological spaces are equal but this is a category error; what you meant to say is that they are isomorphic by some unspecified isomorphism. Would you like to specify this isomorphism?"

[bronze pelican]

he's not wrong

[light needle]

Thonk

[bronze pelican]

[light needle]

Yamin pedantic arc

[astral marsh]

🤓 🖐️

akshually

[bronze pelican]

1 COFFIS CUPS = 1 DONUT, and i will specify the isomorphism

[vivid halo]

he's not wrong he's just gratingly pedantic

like to the point that it's just genuinely distracting and unhelpful in most interactions

[calm vortex]

today someone tried to cancel Manjul Bhargava

[astral marsh]

maybe he just wants everyone to be as pedantic as him

[deep mango]

today someone tried to cancel someone else in the twitter replies under a big brother daily live feed update tweet

[light needle]

Why do ppl twitter

[deep mango]

they disagreed on which player should win the next competition, so one accused the other of using a racial slur

[light needle]

Never has there been a charitable interpretation in Twitter

[calm vortex]

I mean they run by the profile name of Anti Fascist Math

[bronze pelican]

who

[vivid halo]

are you fucking kidding me

HOW

[deep mango]

lol

[light needle]

some 14 yo probably is this anti fascist math

[vivid halo]

that account fucking sucks

[odd narwhal]

I didn't know there was fascist maths

[light needle]

its called hopf

[vivid halo]

nah I mean that account has been shitting on Robert Ghrist for working for a defense contractor or whatever

which is like, okay valid that's kinda fashy

but that account really is on a power trip and is genuinely just awful

[calm vortex]

Yes I agree

[light needle]

my impression of these twitter ppl is like

probably young and opressed minority, and their only outlet of power is cancelling

[calm vortex]

they say that they are for diversity and inclusion

[light needle]

so they go hard on it

(like gay kid in conservative household will have no power, but they might on twitter)

[vivid halo]

I think my favorite part about math twitter is the same people that cancelled me for being a dickhead online proceeded to spread transphobic rumors about my dating life and accused me of being a chaser

ally my ass

[deep mango]

[light needle]

how many time have u been cancelled nG kek

[vivid halo]

just that once lol

[light needle]

twitter is really a cesspool

[odd narwhal]

WHAT

[light needle]

oh idk why i expected more

u seem like the kind of person that ppl would wanna cancel

[vivid halo]

no there was just that one incident where people spread screenshots of me being a dickhead like 2 years ago

and yea a lot of people do not like me lol

[light needle]

I have been cancelled my fair number of times

[vivid halo]

it's whatever, I think most people are over it and the people that aren't I now know were just as nasty behind my back so I don't lose sleep over it

[odd narwhal]

Are people not allowed to be dicks sometimes now?

[deep mango]

who cares enough to do this stuff

i thought this was just bad in the reality tv community

because you know, those people are all fucking idiots

[light needle]

what i hate about the some of the left is that they really dont allow ppl to have flaws

[leaden torrent]

thankfully i am flawless.

[deep mango]

ok, but those people are also usually super problematic

[vivid halo]

"the left" is a big umbrella but yes

[light needle]

and for ppl who believe in criminal reform they really are not very forgiving of past transgression

i mean mostly like, online left ig idk

[vivid halo]

there is a big problem online where if you make an unfortunate joke at some point you cannot possibly learn from that mistake and your personality is forever tarnished

it's stupid

[light needle]

(ok im mostly sayign this cause i have done some v yikes thing when young and oof)

[vivid halo]

I mean to be fair, people were fairly forgiving in my case and it wasn't a very public matter

[odd narwhal]

With each day that passes I'm glad I don't have twitter

[deep mango]

i think this is only a thing with like, truly ridiculous people who i would not bother spending time around anyway

[odd narwhal]

Problem is sometimes people actually listen to these ridiculous people

[deep mango]

i really do not see this a lot in my interactions with real people who have real lives

[light needle]

ryc was born cancelled

[vivid halo]

I still will never get over the fact that I was called "violently transphobic" for not having pronouns in bio, while I was dating a trans woman

[light needle]

lmao yeah thats pretty bad

also like, they do realize that if u have pronouns u will often get like harassed by conservatives

[odd narwhal]

Even if you weren't, being called transphobic for not having pronouns in bio

??????

[vast surge]

No actually the left is only one one very specific tendency which is mine, all the rest of the so-called leftists are actually neoliberals or tankies.

[light needle]

vaush moment

[vivid halo]

god Vaush used to be pretty

[light needle]

he is much better now tho

[neat lintel]

that's why you shouldn't post online with your real name

[vivid halo]

yea he is

[light needle]

i learned a bit from him.

[vivid halo]

yea I like his stuff