serious-discussion

[limber perch]

oh curvature is a thing in mvc

maybe i should learn (computational) mvc

before trying to understand this

[analog salmon]

Hausdorff means that any two distinct points are in disjoint open sets. It's a really nice property to have, so most 'nice' spaces you'll work with are Hausdroff

[latent forge]

ye buf any visualizations

[analog salmon]

you'd have to actively try to come up with a topological space that isn't Hausdorff

a "simple" example of a non-Hausdorff space is the line with two origins

[latent forge]

like i have no clue of any space that is locally euclidean and not hausdorff

[analog salmon]

and anything satisfying both of those would be really pathological

proably not very easy to visualize

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Hausdorff_manifold

[latent forge]

i guess you are right

how do you visualize second countable though?

[analog salmon]

again, a lot of 'nice' spaces are second countable, so anything that isn't is usually pathological :p

[latent forge]

rip

[analog salmon]

which is exactly why manifolds are defined this way

[latent forge]

i wish some concepts gave reasons behind their definitions

[analog salmon]

because R^n is both hausdorff and second countable

[latent forge]

like i understand reason for locally euclidean

[analog salmon]

when you add these local homeomorphisms, it basically lets you treat these more general spaces as though they were R^n

you can do calculus, integration, whatever you'd like

[latent forge]

i havent done shit with manifolds but the ones i see pictures of online are in R3 so i just assumed they are subsets of R3

i know they can be Rn

but i guess its wrong to think of them as subsets of R3 also

[analog salmon]

even though Hausdorff and second countable might sound scary and confusing, they restrict manifolds to spaces that are (generally) intuitive and nice to play with

yeah you can have a manifold embedded in R^n, it's just easiest to think of them in R^2 in R^3 visually

[latent forge]

second countable means countable basis and all of R^n with standard topology are because for each open ball you can enumerate by taking a rational point right?

[analog salmon]

yeah

that sounds right to me

get to finicky stuff when you get to uncountably many copies of R, but oh well

[latent forge]

Im wondering if there is anything ever wrong with viewing them as embeddings in R3 as opposed to just looking at them as sets distinct from reals

[neat lintel]

all manifolds are R^n

[latent forge]

also why

[analog salmon]

look up box topology vs product topology

[latent forge]

oh uh

i remember this at one point but now forgotten

[analog salmon]

same, that's why I said to look it up instead of trying to explain it lol

[neat lintel]

all manifolds are manifolds

[latent forge]

rip it says finite many can not be equal to entire component space

i hate that language and can’t understand

so infinitely many can bases can be equal to component space?

[analog salmon]

the basis for the box topology is product of open sets in each R

the basis for the product topology is product of open sets, where all but finitely many are all of R

[latent forge]

all but means

[analog salmon]

so box would be $U_1\times U_2\times\cdots$ where each $U_i$ is open in the space $X_i$

[fathom swallow]

cgodfrey

[analog salmon]

while product would be $U_1\times U_2\times\cdots\times X_i\times X_{i+1}\times\cdots$ because eventually all of the open sets you pick must be the entire space

[fathom swallow]

cgodfrey

[latent forge]

oh ok

[analog salmon]

only finitely many can be open subsets

[latent forge]

the rest have to be the entire space themselves

[neat lintel]

[analog salmon]

the product topology has the nice property where if you have maps $f_i: Y\to X_i$, then the product map $f:Y\to X$ is continuous if and only if each $f_i$ is continuous

[fathom swallow]

cgodfrey

[analog salmon]

but this isn't true in the box topology

[latent forge]

i dont see how

[analog salmon]

in fact, even the identity function where $x\mapsto (x, x, x, \dots)$ in the box topology isn't continuous

[latent forge]

wait

[fathom swallow]

cgodfrey

[latent forge]

the goal is to show Y is space generated by basis {U1 x … x Ui x … where each Ui is open in X_i } and the goal is to show if each fi Y-> Xi cts then Y->X cts?

[analog salmon]

Y is the same for f_i and f, it can be any arbitrary spcae

X is the space generated by that basis

[latent forge]

and identity map fails this somehow

[analog salmon]

yeah

[latent forge]

which means you can take a open set in X that doesnt have open preimage

[analog salmon]

correct

[latent forge]

calling cap

[analog salmon]

If $\mathbb{R}^\omega$ is infinitely many copies, consider $U\subset \mathbB{R}^\omega$ where $U=\prod_{n=1}^\infty (-\frac{1}{n}, \frac{1}{n})$

[latent forge]

i dont see it

[fathom swallow]

cgodfrey
Compile Error! Click the reaction for more information.
(You may edit your message to recompile.)

[latent forge]

bruh

[analog salmon]

lol I swear I know the command

so U is a product of sets that are open in each R_i, right?

[latent forge]

yuh

[analog salmon]

so it's open in the box topology in the product spcae

[latent forge]

yea

[analog salmon]

what elements are in U?

It's just 0

[latent forge]

wait what u mean

how is it just 0

[analog salmon]

(0, 0, 0, 0, ...) is the only element in U

[latent forge]

?

[forest jackal]

No.

[analog salmon]

wait

holdon

I swear I know this proof lol

[forest jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-holdon-gif-4149749

[analog salmon]

okay now I have it

[latent forge]

didnt you define it so that it starts at -1,1 x -1/2,1/2 x … x …

[analog salmon]

so if $f:\mathbb{R}\to\mathbb{R}^\omega$ is the identity map sending $x$ to $(x, x, x, \dots)$

[fathom swallow]

cgodfrey

[analog salmon]

then the preimage of $U$ only contains 0

[fathom swallow]

cgodfrey

[forest jackal]

yes, my "no" was directed at your "(0, 0, 0, 0, ...) is the only element in U"

[analog salmon]

because for any nonzero $x$, if you consider $f(x)$, there must be some $n$ where $x\notin\left(-\frac{1}{n}, \frac{1}{n}\right)$

[fathom swallow]

cgodfrey

[latent forge]

but U isnt the image of some set in R?

it doesnt need to be i guess

[analog salmon]

U is defined as the product of open sets in R

but its preimage under this 'identity' function f is just 0, which isn't open in R

therefore, f isn't continuous

even though each 'coordinate' of the function onto each component is continuous

so that's why the box topology is annoying

[forest jackal]

yep

[toxic prism]

which resources can I use for linear algebra

just videos

for now

[latent forge]

I see why you say this but how does this deduce that preimagen of U is 0?

oh

wait

dont anserr

because if you take any element in U that isnt 0,0,0,0,…

[analog salmon]

[latent forge]

then like you said it wont be in one of the intervals

when taking preimage

rip

badly woreded

[analog salmon]

for the preimage, you specifically have to consider elements of U of the form (x, x, x, ...)

[latent forge]

Ok I understand now but just for the clarification. The preimage of U is 0 because if you were to take f(c) for c nonzero you would get (x,x,…) but this element will never be in U since like you stated there will be an n such that x is not in (-1/n,1/n). So this means that c=0 and preimage of U is 0

[analog salmon]

yeah

[latent forge]

And with the product topology U cant be a set

[analog salmon]

with the product topology, everything works out nicely. If each component map is continuous, so it the product map

[latent forge]

since eventually the components of the basis are the entirety of the set instead of an open subset

[analog salmon]

right

so you could restrict that finitely many components of U are bound by (-1/n, 1/n)

but since it's finitely many, the 'tail' has to be all of R, and so you restrict the elements of U much less

[latent forge]

i see

also a question

why does anyone ever care about looking at something like Romega

[tough burrow]

omega?

[latent forge]

besides seeing fringe cases where infinity breaks things

[analog salmon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[latent forge]

ah same page I see

there has to be a practical use

[analog salmon]

I guess one thing of note that's of interest

[tough burrow]

cuz box topology does not make sense in R^omega

[analog salmon]

it's not known whether $\mathbb{R}^\omega$ is normal (a property of topological spaces) in the box topology, though it's true if one assumes the continuum hypothesis

[fathom swallow]

cgodfrey

[latent forge]

compact hausdorff?

[analog salmon]

all compact hausdorff spaces are normal, yes

but the two aren't equivalent

basically instead of having distinct elements separated by disjoint open sets, normalcy lets you separate distinct closed sets by disjoint open sets

[latent forge]

rip is normal that any closed set and a point not in the close set admit open disjoint sets or is that regular?

[analog salmon]

that's regular

the point being, these infinite product spaces have interesting set theory consequences, I guess

[latent forge]

also is it wrong to assume continuum hypothesis?

i thought its always right

[analog salmon]

continuum hypothesis is independent from ZFC

It cannot be proven from ZFC, and cannot be disproven from ZFC

[low ember]

Cohen didn’t believe it was true

[analog salmon]

nor did godel iirc

[low ember]

GCH also seems substantially stronger of a claim

I know groups model the group theory axioms, I wonder if it’s a similar thing for set theory axioms, we’ll I mean it is in that there are models, but I wonder if model theorists think of an objectively true model or if they think of the models sort of like groups

And that under some, certain things are true and in others they aren’t

I am not that knowledgeable in this area, so I do not actually know, but I’m kind of curious

[latent forge]

like models are to sets theory as groups are to group thorry?

[low ember]

That’s how I came to think about it the other day. But I don’t know if I’m alone in thinking that/if it’s dumb to think that. If it’s not dumb, then someone else thought of it before.

[latent forge]

why do people care about cardinality though?

[low ember]

It’s interesting

[latent forge]

like it clearly has no purpose outside of math and seems like a cool thing inside of math but barely applicable to anything other than itself

[analog salmon]

the idea with most of higher math is that it might be applicable eventually

[latent forge]

i dont see it with cardinality though

everything else is more promising

[analog salmon]

like how quaternions were discovered in the 1830s or 40s and then became very useful in the 1970s with computer representation of orientation and rotation

[low ember]

That’s what we say to get funding

I like Hardy’s philosophy of it

Math for the sake of math

[analog salmon]

math for the sake of 50 years of saying wtf is this

[latent forge]

but how much of math is really just that w/o a possible closer connection to some thing applied

im guessing most of math research

[analog salmon]

That's for the NSF to decide lol

[latent forge]

tbh it feels wrong

do you think weve hit a point where current math research in some fields will never be applicable?

[vivid halo]

a lot of set theory research is already here

[mortal oasis]

math research is always pointless if it cant be used immediately its dumb

[glad grove]

applied math moment 😭

absolutely cringe take btw

[neat lintel]

How good is overleaf for creating math papers?

[stoic ice]

amazing

heard about it like once before

but I felt it's got to be amazing

[clever knot]

zozz

you know

[stoic ice]

what do I know

[clever knot]

lets just program a discord bot

to also react

to your comments

[stoic ice]

that would be

[clever knot]

i could make one

[stoic ice]

convenient

[latent forge]

google scholar has given me smol luck, all i see is fuzzy, rough set theory and descriptive set theory but am paywalled

[clever knot]

and demostrate

but i might get banned

what

would be pretty ez

[south summit]

Sometimes sacrifices are necessary

[stoic ice]

banned is nne

bad

[south summit]

[stoic ice]

Bots are bad

[clever knot]

@south summit when I am done i can apply it to you

[stoic ice]

Bots make you get banned

[clever knot]

if you wish

[south summit]

[stoic ice]

See a connection?

[south summit]

Just apply it to the boss boss

[stoic ice]

zozz*

[south summit]

[clever knot]

yeah but i need to find the emote ids....

[south summit]

[stoic ice]

why no animated picture

[south summit]

Don't need it

[clever knot]

says the one with no animated picture

[stoic ice]

yes

[south summit]

bloomer good

[stoic ice]

coz all the fake credit cards didn't work for me

[clever knot]

just need this

853484697790447629

[stoic ice]

which is?

[south summit]

Just use a real credit card bro

[stoic ice]

just use life bro

[clever knot]

its coldilocks id

[stoic ice]

see? It's not that simple

[south summit]

True 😌

[glad grove]

EZ just [My legal advisor has advised me to go no further with this message.]

[clever knot]

okay

@south summit i think i did it

[brave hollow]

brandon living on the edge with TOS

[clever knot]

did i miss something?

actually it might be against discord TOS

[clever knot]

#bots

[timid spindle]

scihub moment

what ToS people are literally dming me viruses on daily basis

[sharp mulch]

Rip JMM

Apparently missing teaching is very bad and never allowed

[vivid halo]

Lol what?

[sharp mulch]

My semester starts Jan 5th or something super early

And I asked the department grad coordinator about missing teaching

And she was like

The people in charge don't approve these

[modest rune]

Are you teaching teaching

[sharp mulch]

What is teaching teaching

As opposed to teaching

[modest rune]

like somehting more than office hours / something you couldn't do over zoom

[sharp mulch]

For this semester I am teaching teaching yes

[modest rune]

(i genuinely know nothing about what my role will be as a TA)

[sharp mulch]

I teach teach a class of 18 people

Like

[modest rune]

Oh wow

[sharp mulch]

Deliver content

[modest rune]

im not even allowed to do that

until candidacy

[sharp mulch]

[modest rune]

Would they let you like pre-record one lecture or something

[sharp mulch]

I'm considering applying for NSF this year

[modest rune]

seems stupidly strict

[sharp mulch]

Apparently not

If I get NSF I won't need to teach

@deep mango are you applying for NSF this year

Or next year

[modest rune]

is NSF that much?

[sharp mulch]

Yes

You can't teach if you get NSF

You also get 34k a year

Which is more than a normal stipend

[modest rune]

oh shit

yeah

for sure

[naive stirrup]

oh damn, what r u getting now a year, if u dont mind, and like how much do people get usually?

[sharp mulch]

28k

Most stipends seem to range around 18k to 25k based on cost of living

[naive stirrup]

ic,

[sharp mulch]

And based on size of university

[naive stirrup]

if you don't live very frugally tho, with this I guess you need to work part time or something

[vivid halo]

You can’t work part time

You can tutor I guess

But you have to live frugally

[naive stirrup]

oh, is it because u dont have time to?

[vivid halo]

That and you’re also contractually not allowed to

[naive stirrup]

ah

[vivid halo]

In a lot of cases at least

With tutoring it’s fine since it’s not actual employment

And you can make a good deal of extra money doing this

[naive stirrup]

ic, thx

[sharp mulch]

You can usually make good money tutoring

Also cost of living is a lot lower

At least where I am

[naive stirrup]

yea if its hs or 1st year tutoring its seems pretty chill

[odd narwhal]

Do you have to do tutoring through the uni?

[sharp mulch]

No it's usually on your own

[deep mango]

Uh, it depends

I'm not sure

I don't know if it's smart to given how the NYU package works

[sharp mulch]

I see

[deep mango]

With the whole "optional teaching for extra stipend" thing

Like NSF is more than my without teaching stipend but less if I do teach

Or

I actually don't know

I will ask around

And probably apply next year since I didn't really do much new last year that warrants my rec letters being improved

Well

Actually that is false

I could probably ask demmel for one by now

[sharp mulch]

Do you think I could ask Holtz for one

No

That sounds like a terrible idea

I'm not going to ask Holtz

Even if I could

[deep mango]

It depends

I don't really know

If holtz would write a good rec letter to most people with whom she's just had good mathematical interactions

She's more of an interpersonal type I think

[sharp mulch]

Sure

I was thinking about applying for NSF this year because climate modeling is a high priority research area

This year

[deep mango]

Oh really

Ok

I don't know what I would be able to write about that

Maybe I will know after this summer school

[sharp mulch]

I mean

There are other areas

Why would you write about climate modeling

[burnt dune]

real analysis 1 and 2 , algebra 1 and 2 , linear algebra 1 and 2 , differential geometry 1 and 2 , complex analysis 1 and 2 and finally 1 class of functional analysis

is this good for a 4 year program math

bsc

i dont like it tbh

[modest rune]

It seems like you could probably take more

if math was your main focus

nothing wrong with those classes themselves really

[leaden torrent]

its a fine curriculum, a weird focus on the standard analysis/algebra streams though

put yourself out there, take a graph theory course or something

if available

you might enjoy it a lot more than the typical stream

but yeah, thats a totally fine curriculum in pure math

i'd recommend learning to program alongside it, and maybe trying to squeeze in basic stats as well

[burnt dune]

yea i think so too

max

you have to take like

4 mechanics classes

and like 4 modern physics classes

[leaden torrent]

yuck

[burnt dune]

• 2 programming classes

yea instead of like

more electives in math

[modest rune]

Tragic

[burnt dune]

like logic or combinatorics or NT

[modest rune]

Well thats certainly annoying

[burnt dune]

yea

i spoke to the professor and he just straight upt old me he doesnt think it would be worth it for me to switch

saying professors losing their passion cuz of online classes and the number of courses taught badly is increasing

i am p sure he means the diff geo and physics classes

[modest rune]

Switch?

[burnt dune]

from cs

to math

[deep mango]

Because it's fluids

I wouldn't write about actual climate modeling

But about pure math which has applications to climate modeling of course

Broader impacts

[modest rune]

broader impact of topology

I will find a way to turn one coffis cup into a real, edible donut

[leaden torrent]

new paper in the Journal of Global Issues:
Approaches to World Hunger Through Topology

Abstract: It has long been known to mathematicians that the common doughnut, a meal containing components from multiple food groups, is homeomorphic to any other orientable connected surface with a single hole. We explore affordable genus 1 surfaces in various regions around the world, and discuss their viability as a substitute food source through this doughnut equivalence relation. Of particular interest is plants tied into circles, due to the low cost and near-ubiquity in nature of long plantlife such as grasses and vines making this doughnut source very accessible to the impoverished.

[neat lintel]

what

[untold sapphire]

hahahahaha

[narrow rock]

lmao

[latent forge]

what is best designed city in world

[untold sapphire]

well cities that arose naturally and not by planning are usually disqualified, so like, most british cities are out of the question but american cities are pretty nice

I mean this in the most basic sense of layout

like the map of philadelphia just makes a lot of sense

[modest rune]

singapore is pretty impressively designed imo

honestly when you ask me how well a city is designed

my weighting is like

90%: how good is the public transit

10%: anything else

[analog salmon]

nah most american and canadian cities are awful because of their dependence on cars

[modest rune]

thats just true imo

[sharp mulch]

Dubai doesn't have a sewer system and was mostly built with slave labor

[blazing pawn]

most american cities are not really that nice

Aesthetically

the most aesthetic city ive been to was berlin

[sharp mulch]

Cities should be:

1. Environmentally sustainable
2. Accessible
3. Fulfill people's needs effectively

[blazing pawn]

4. not built on slave labor

[wispy dune]

dubai has also imported the worst of american urban planning

with like 12-lane freeways and stuff

[latent forge]

america and suburbanism makes most american cities a joke

obv dubai isnt well designed

with its sinking realestate

[sharp mulch]

Dubai is not designed

Dubai is a trophy city

[wispy dune]

dubai has shit trucks instead of sewers

its the worst

[latent forge]

Also cities dont need to be environmentally sustainable, just sustainable

[sharp mulch]

Dubai doesn't have sewers because you can't show off sewers

Cities should be environmentally sustainable because climate change

[wispy dune]

they destroy marine life by making their artificial islands and stuff

dubai just does the worst things

[latent forge]

its a seperate debate but you have a point

[leaden torrent]

urban planning in the west is baaaaaad

[latent forge]

why do you consider it bad, i do too but why

its not price efficient in my opinion

[neat lintel]

@wispy dune we might have watched the same video

[leaden torrent]

like its bad from a moral/environmental perspective but its also bad from a simple economic perspective

[latent forge]

and causes heavy consumer reliances

[wispy dune]

i think it has been recommended to everyone

[leaden torrent]

the only reason it develops as it does is because of harsh zoning laws incentivizing single-family suburban housing and whatnot

[blazing pawn]

nami does the west mean like the west coast or just

[wispy dune]

theres also a alright podcast that do engineering stuff

[modest rune]

the only good city is Phoenix Arizona

[blazing pawn]

all of america and europe

[wispy dune]

they covered dubai as well

[leaden torrent]

the latter

[wispy dune]

but the podcast kinda sucks

[leaden torrent]

although thats not unique to the west

i shouldve said more like

in the urban world

[sharp mulch]

Economics is a bad metric to measure cities by

CIties aren't meant to make people money

They are meant for people to live in

[blazing pawn]

Are harsh zoning laws incentivizing single family suburban housing common in like

[leaden torrent]

sure, but more economically affordable cities are easier to live in

[blazing pawn]

western and central europe excluding the UK

[leaden torrent]

not as common, no

but theyve been on the rise recently

[blazing pawn]

Sadge

[leaden torrent]

stockholm for example has issues with this

[blazing pawn]

Berlin seems like a nice place to live

[modest rune]

why do i get so sleepy after I eat

jfc

[leaden torrent]

anyway, the point is that relaxing zoning laws but increasing pressure for environmental compliance would come with social AND economic benefits

like your amazingly liveable city is pretty useless if rent costs $50k

(sorry new yorkers)

but efficient land use also makes for more affordable cities

which of course incentivizes people to move in, reducing their net environmental footprint

you get the gist

honestly i kind of wonder how feasible an entirely roadless "inner city" would be

i guess the problem there is transporting goods

like stocking store shelves and whatnot

[sharp mulch]

This is what Barcelona does with super blocks

[blazing pawn]

rent doesnt cost 50k here

[leaden torrent]

im aware, im exaggerating

[sharp mulch]

I'm sure there are 4k/month apartments in NY

[blazing pawn]

its actually a mere 45,000 a year

Please get it correct next time

[leaden torrent]

new york is a bit of a unique case though, like certainly policies could be taken to lower rent prices but you cant lower it THAT much because space on manhatten is just fundamentally limited

fortunately the vast majority of the US is not manhattan

and has a fuckton of room to expand into

[sharp mulch]

Shockingly, the rest of NYC exists

[leaden torrent]

yet sadly that gets filled with suburbia and whatnot

[leaden torrent]

yeah thats true, but making the rest of NY more affordable probably wouldnt affect manhattan too much

[sharp mulch]

Most of NY is not very dense at all

[blazing pawn]

Manhattan is also not really that uniform in terms of pricing

Or space

[leaden torrent]

my point is that NY is just a weird unique case in general

[sharp mulch]

11k people/sq km

[leaden torrent]

with conditions both historical and geographical that dont apply to 99% of other US cities

[sharp mulch]

It's not that weird

London has a similar thing where there's a rich urban core where all the bankers live and then most of the city is low rises

[blazing pawn]

the really expensive place is just downtown

to a lesser extent midtown and the upper east side

[leaden torrent]

ive heard from a few places that the biggest infrastructural challenge isnt moving people around, its moving stuff around

[modest rune]

I will say that I think commuting is terrible and I don't blame people for wanting to live closer to where stuff is

[leaden torrent]

like goods for stocking store shelves and furniture and whatnot

moving people around is basically "solved"

[blazing pawn]

It is its a huge problem here nami

[leaden torrent]

now, north american cities dont actually DO it properly

way too much reliance on cars and whatnot

[blazing pawn]

If i was to live anywhere in nyc id want to live in hamilton heights

[leaden torrent]

but we do, on PAPER, have efficient systems in place for that

and theyve been implemented in a handful of cities just fine

(see tokyo for example)

[blazing pawn]

actually idk if thats true

Not like it really matters

[leaden torrent]

tokyo public transport is fucked for a lot of reasons but its still good enough to serve the needs of the vast majority of the population

just... try not to be a young woman

[astral marsh]

yeah i remember reading about those

seemed cool

[velvet dagger]

If I could live anywhere in NYC, money no object...

Probably Astoria or Brooklyn Heights tbh

Or I mean, Midtown Manhattan

[blazing pawn]

Midtown manhattan is awful dami

its really ugly

[velvet dagger]

Is it? I mean I guess I mostly would go there to visit and it was fine

But like I thought Midtown and Upper East were like

The nice™️ places there

[blazing pawn]

I hate the aesthetic of like

just a ton of glass skyscrapers

[deep mango]

moth is literally nuts

if you have the cashola

you live in one of the fancy parts of manhattan

imagine living on the upper west side near about amsterdam and 80th

wow, good food every day

[astral marsh]

imagine living in a skyscraper

(pejorative)

[thorn brook]

moth is literally deez nuts

[edgy atlas]

I agree with moth. Paris aesthetic >>> NYC aesthetic

buildings were never meant to be tall

[leaden torrent]

humanity is more important than your aesthetic

building vertically is more efficient than building horizontally

(within reason)

i agree that nyc's glass spam doesnt look good though

[deep mango]

as someone in europe right now

(i'm very qualified to speak on this matter)

sully sully

classical french city architecture is fun for 10 minutes

[odd narwhal]

Sorry rice nyc is ugly

[deep mango]

and then it's boring and uninspiring

[odd narwhal]

I don't make the rules

[deep mango]

NYC is full of spice

[odd narwhal]

Too bad it's black pepper

And too much tastes like ass

Idk I personally don't find tonnes of high rise buildings inspiring

[deep mango]

new york city architecture is gochujang.

france is fuckin

pink himalayan salt

[odd narwhal]

I prefer pixian doubanjiang

[neat lintel]

history hater

[deep mango]

the architecture in barcelona was >>>>>>>>> the architecture in bordeaux

bordeaux was still pretty but every building literally identical

[neat lintel]

Yeah fair, Barcelona has some bangers

Never been to France so can't compare sadly

[edgy atlas]

The difference to me is that Paris feels like a city
NYC feels like a behemoth trying to eat you

[leaden torrent]

man whenever ryc joins a conversation, i get a better understanding for how terrible his taste is

is there anything ryc has good taste in

ryc how do you like your steak cooked

[edgy atlas]

Television

Ryc has good taste in television

[leaden torrent]

@deep mango

[leaden torrent]

no he doesnt he likes survivor

[edgy atlas]

exactly

plants can't grow except out of dirt, great thoughts can't arise from a mind that doesn't consume trash

[deep mango]

a good city feels like a behemoth trying to eat you

paris feels meek and timid

it shies away from my confident gait

[deep mango]

medium rare

obviously

i could have given you a false answer there just to troll and i didn't

[leaden torrent]

wow we found 1 thing that ryc has good taste in

[deep mango]

i hope that builds trust

[leaden torrent]

rare is better if you trust the restaurant though

but i dont trust 90% of restaurants

[deep mango]

i don't

yeah

i also don't trust my mom

and she makes very good medium rare steak

(i'm not a weirdo who gets steak out for no reason)

[astral marsh]

@deep mango what is your harry potter house

[deep mango]

i hate this

it's ravenclaw

and yes, i know that makes me just another tumblr liar

[leaden torrent]

in character

but sorry ryc youre actually 100% hufflepuff

[deep mango]

i'm fine with that

i would have preferred to be slytherin

apparently i don't have the killer instinct or something

[leaden torrent]

well are you a racist

[deep mango]

is that a requirement?

[leaden torrent]

jk rowling claims "no" but literally every slytherin is canonically racist

except 1

(well, unless you count harry)

i dated a girl who was way too into this shit man

i regret having this knowledge

but i do

[deep mango]

she probably thinks you're way into those anime book games

you can't identify one thing i have a bad opinion on

[astral marsh]

lets goo

ravenclaw gang

💪 😎 📖

[edgy atlas]

I'm Hufflepuff 100%

Basking in my own mediocrity rn

[sly thistle]

How tf do y’all know what house

[limber perch]

my math teacher puts everyone in a house in the first day of class

which was today for us

and i got ravenclaw 😎

[sly thistle]

Nerd

How do I find which house

[limber perch]

i was also ravenclaw 2 years ago when i took bc with him

so it was more or less decided

[sly thistle]

They probably gonna end up saying

[limber perch]

he said it was by personality

[sly thistle]

“Alephnull, you aren’t a wizard”

[limber perch]

wait all the houses are dope

except hufflepuff

[sly thistle]

Anyways obligatory fuck Rowling lmao

[limber perch]

isn't she transphobic lol

[sly thistle]

Yeah

[limber perch]

t e r f

[sly thistle]

Among other things she’s a TERF

[limber perch]

i didn't know the term terf existed until i read about her

[vague lion]

bruh

if you've read harry potter

and care about the houses

you're a ravenclaw

bc you're a nerd

[sly thistle]

I read Harry Potter

[limber perch]

idc about the houses

[vague lion]

literally everyone here is a ravenclaw

[limber perch]

but my teacher does

[sly thistle]

It’s kinda overrated but they’re really enjoyable to read

[vague lion]

this is a maths server

[limber perch]

so apparently he thinks i'm a nerd

[untold sapphire]

what was Luna Lovegood

was she griffindor

or hufflepuff

or what

[sly thistle]

Harry Potter

[vestal river]

You can be academic and not have your whole personality center around school

[sly thistle]

Is mostly mystery novels

In my opinion

Yes they’re fantasy too but

[neat lintel]

I only watched the movies

They were pretty cool

[untold sapphire]

luna lovegood is a ravenclaw??

i would not have guessed that

[limber perch]

she's pretty nerdy compared to the other characters

[blazing pawn]

aleph is right tbh the mystery is pretty much the core

at least for the first few books

[astral marsh]

luna probably one of my top 10 HP chars from my recollection of reading the books when i was a kid

[blazing pawn]

Luna is the only good one

[sly thistle]

Yeah the later books are a bit less mystery oriented

But think about the first book

[blazing pawn]

I was reading a harry potter fanfiction written by a cis women and it opened on like a 4 paragraph explanation justifying her writing a fanfiction of HP because JKR is a terf it was so funny

U can just write it bro its not that deep

[sly thistle]

[blazing pawn]

I dont think ur sirius/lupin 300k slowburn fic is supporting JKR

[sly thistle]

Moth have you ever read uh any Agatha Christie novels

[deep mango]

Agatha Cringie

[neat lintel]

Yo mama cringe

[latent forge]

lol wtf a terf

is it really ppl that don’t believe trans ppl trans if they dont get surgery? its something else right?

or is it like get off my terf

[limber perch]

it's an acronym

trans exclusionary radical feminist

[latent forge]

idk what it means

[limber perch]

what it sounds like

[latent forge]

google says women against trans women advocation for women

[limber perch]

yeah

[latent forge]

thats silly

no one is actually against that?

[limber perch]

it's a minority yea

but jk rowling happens to be a big figure in it

[latent forge]

like how could ppl be against outsiders rooting for their cause?

i need some examples lol

[limber perch]

no i think there thing is that

everything they're advocating for excludes trans women

because they don't accept them as women

[latent forge]

how can you do that though?

[limber perch]

idk ask them lol

[latent forge]

no i mean how can you advocate for a cause for women and against trans women?

like not letting them into womens shelters or something?

seems like you need to get silly and pedantic to do that

[wild lantern]

I don't think terfs typically recognize the gender identities of trans people.

[latent forge]

what does that mean? they dont recognize trans peoples desired gender?

wikipedia just gives a debate on usage of word

[wild lantern]

Like, if you start from the premise that trans women aren't women and you intend to provide a service to women to the exclusion of all others then necessarily trans women must be excluded.

[latent forge]

no actual opinions of terfs

[latent forge]

such as what though?

thats where im wanting examples

[wild lantern]

Like your womens shelter example.

[latent forge]

but thats a silly one

[wild lantern]

Not really.

[light needle]

Bathrooms. Like anything bc really they hate trans ppl

[latent forge]

because transwomen are allowed into womens shelters and they are usually for domestic abuse

[wild lantern]

Bathroom is a good one or spas.

[latent forge]

spas is a different subject though

[wild lantern]

Yes but a terf might advocate against this.

[light needle]

Not in all shelters and Terfs don’t like it

[latent forge]

oh i see what your saying

[light needle]

Like terfs basically hate anything that isnt like, a cis woman

[wild lantern]

Mmm idk about that.

[latent forge]

they hate what else?

they hate cis women?

[wild lantern]

Feminism in general is a really broad collection of views.

[light needle]

men. these are unironically the ppl who hate men

terfs are the worst of the worst.

[wild lantern]

Does being radfem or terf necessarily imply hatred?

[latent forge]

lol this seems like internet slander

[wild lantern]

I am genuinely unsure.

[light needle]

terf does

radfem is fine usually

[wild lantern]

Why does terf imply that though?

Is it just the fact that lots of people like that gather under the label?

[light needle]

i mean most terfs hate transwomen bc they hate men and dont see transwomen as women

yeah doot basically

[wild lantern]

That makes sense.

[latent forge]

i only met one trans person in my life and at college i have met people who identify as femninist but i never have conversations on their views/drama

[light needle]

most feminists are fine

[latent forge]

tbh too complicated to talk about gender with ppl

[light needle]

but if you self identify as terf ur probably insane

[latent forge]

idk im just curious about the labeling irl because when ppl openly identify as a certain thing i just expect them to talk nonstop about shit i dont care about but might be interesting to listen to

not necessarily femnist

but political identires in general

[wild lantern]

My sociology class had a unit on gender.

[latent forge]

like when ppl say they are democrats or some strange flavor of communism

[wild lantern]

Also anthropology studies that stuff.

[latent forge]

yea i met these ppl in gen ed anthropo

[light needle]

Democrats or some strange flavor of communism

[latent forge]

well i dont remember what they call themselves but its like prefixxednor suffixed with communist

[wild lantern]

Gender can be discussed objectively, it's just that a lot of people have really strong feelings about it that they believe ought to be fact.

[latent forge]

yea thats why i dont talk about it

no reason to lose a friend or helper for a disagreement

just dont talk about it and boom

irl though

[light needle]

I mean if ur friend is transphobic wouldn’t u want to cut em off lol

[wild lantern]

Irl I view that as a sign of a really fixed worldview lol

[light needle]

Like I’d be very wierd out if a close friend turned out to be transphobic

[latent forge]

if they hated my ethnicity i wouldnt care since opinions are temporary and i have influence over their opinions as a person

[light needle]

Hmm sure ig

[latent forge]

people say racist/sexist things all the time

[light needle]

I used to do that a lot but I realized it’s not really worth it

[latent forge]

im not necessarily their to check theor behavior, just make sure they dont project it on people i care for

[light needle]

Like after a certain age the amount of ppl who change their bigoted views are low

And I respect someone trying to change em

But it ain’t gonna be me kek

[latent forge]

yea but i dont care about bigotted views unless politician or unless they treat me different

its selfish i admit

[light needle]

I think helping normalizing such views is p bad too

[wild lantern]

Generally peoples views of you determine their treatment of you.

[latent forge]

i dont though

i usually try to drop any conversation started about controversial topics

irl atleast

[light needle]

Idk how u can ignore your friend hating ppl like that

[latent forge]

people stereotyped me a lot when i first went to school but i just got used to it

it still happens but all i can do is ignore it really

and esp going into math ik its going to happen more

[wild lantern]

You can't always ignore it though is the problem.

[latent forge]

never has a friend been blatantly racist or sexist to me

[light needle]

Hmm I see

[latent forge]

tell me what im supposed to do then?

adress a problem and ruin relationship prospects?

[wild lantern]

Idk if there's a right answer besides sticking up for yourself?

[latent forge]

its silly honestly

[light needle]

I mean It depends on where you are

[wild lantern]

Like, at work if somebody doesn't like you enough they'll find reasons to get you in trouble or pass you up for things.

[light needle]

And what are your friendship prospects

[wild lantern]

You can't easily avoid that and just accepting it might make things worse for yourself.

[tall gale]

Call me crazy, but unless i'm forced through work or something i wouldn't want to have friendship with shit people 😐

[latent forge]

i can give two examples

[wild lantern]

I've seen these things happen at my old job.

I've also been discriminated against myself but never in a professional setting.

[light needle]

I always give ppl a piece of my mind if they are being bigoted, not always to my benefit

[latent forge]

in my math classes i talked with some people just casual chatting. we get on topic of getting accepted and one person in group says you probably only got in because diversity and affirmative action. i just said yea because there is no reason for me to argue

like what would there be to gain for standing up for myself there

[light needle]

Yeah yikes that’s p racist

[wild lantern]

Yeah that's pretty messed up.

[neat lintel]

It could be why, not that I would say it but

[latent forge]

yes always possibility

[light needle]

Don’t say that 8da, it’s extremely racist to imply ppl got in only bc of affirmative action

[latent forge]

i dont know if its racist or misinformed

[wild lantern]

The saying of it contributes to making people feel unwelcome in an environment where they should feel welcome.

[latent forge]

its offensive to say though

[neat lintel]

I know, I don't say it

[light needle]

But yeah so if you stood up for yourself. Like you would send the message that this isn’t okay

And unless where u r is insanely racist

You would probably get support

[latent forge]

its a possibility but thats a small example

[wild lantern]

It's not exactly wrong to avoid conflict either tho.

[light needle]

Yeah like I understand the choice

[wild lantern]

But when that guy is your boss or something the issue gets more serious lol

[latent forge]

yeah i wont really stand up for myself unless it involves me talking to a professor

[light needle]

I’m just saying that there is be if it to speaking up too

[latent forge]

but even then its a hassle

i dont want to go out of my way to report someone for saying something

[light needle]

Like imagine how many other people that asshole probably racism’s. Like. I wouldn’t want that on my conscious ig

[latent forge]

when i can just avoid them

[wild lantern]

People are assholes lol

[latent forge]

ye thats what i realized overtime

and its inevitable that its going to be my proffesor some day

[light needle]

Just try hanging with the liberal people in ur school

And avoiding the racist ig

[latent forge]

its happened in HS so its going to happen later jn my career

[light needle]

Like I get why you avoid the conflict

[wild lantern]

If they're your prof and they make comments like that you def have a reasonable complaint

[latent forge]

i just hang with whoever watches anime or plays games/ works out usually

[wild lantern]

To like report to somebody or whatev

[neat lintel]

As long as colleges consider race, it is possible that someone got in "just because" of their race.
Alternatively we can have entrance exams like in Asia, but I'm not sure this will happen in the US anytime soon

[light needle]

This is a very uninformed. Idea 8da

[neat lintel]

What do you mean?

[latent forge]

affirmative action doesnt even work lol

[light needle]

If you had entrance exams only rich privileged Asians and whites would get in lol

[tall gale]

Tbh, less chances of bigotry at uni then at school

[light needle]

No poor ppl would get in p much

[latent forge]

thats a lie im thinking

because even liberally behaving people say the weirdest shit

or they let something stereotypical slip

[neat lintel]

Maybe, but this seems "less racist" than explicitly considering race

[light needle]

No lmao

[latent forge]

its less directed

[light needle]

If you have a system that pretty much garuntees that one race stays at bottom

That’s way more racist then adding some affirmative action

[neat lintel]

I think I just disagree with thay

[latent forge]

its structurally more racist but less direct in how its executed

[wild lantern]

Yeah, I think the issue just comes from implying people have lesser value in some way partially due to race hence need extra accomodations.

[light needle]

There’s issues but at the end we need upward mobility

And like ignoring the socioeconomic issues is a sure fire way to garuntee nothing changes

[latent forge]

lol socioeconomic

usually captures everything besides culture

[wild lantern]

There's also more than one way to implement policies that can be considered affirmative action policies.

[light needle]

Hey cultures also rough

[wild lantern]

I'm sure the effectiveness often at least partially depends on the implementation.

[light needle]

Like I think having parents that force u to study can be a strong determiner of success too

[latent forge]

culture and social status are what keep most systemic racism going

[light needle]

And this can happen regardless of economic status

[latent forge]

id say its pretty big

everyone in my college took SAT prep it seems

so someone spent 1k on test prep

[tall gale]

I mean, is pretty established that sexism/racism have negative correlation with studies, even if still happens. And while sure as hell you'll still find that stuff, you will also probably find groups that advocate for your rights and stuff like that

[light needle]

It really depends on where u go ig

[tall gale]

I guess it also depends on the country honestly, if someone on my class said something like that they would be ostracized damn quickly

[light needle]

Yeah same

And I’m in a relatively red state

[latent forge]

the school i go to has very democratic views and is historically blue

[tall gale]

i'm not on the states so can't say x)

[latent forge]

also i dont even care about the comments as much as how strangers treat me

[light needle]

Yeah most liberals don’t recognize micro aggressions cause most ppl don’t think about these

Another reason to stand up, you might genuinely educate someone

[wild lantern]

What people say to you is part of how you are treated though lol.

[latent forge]

i guess so

own classmates feel like strangers i guess

havent made any good friends with classmates, just aquianted

[light needle]

Yeah that’s sad. I’m sorry to hear the ppl in ur class are like that

[latent forge]

no reason to be sorry lol

[wild lantern]

College classes to an extent are just being locked in rooms with strangers with a common goal of learning stuff lol.

It's not a totally bad thing

[latent forge]

not in gen ed qq

[wild lantern]

Not in gen ed?

[light needle]

Oof gen Ed moment

Nine just grind math

[latent forge]

yup

[light needle]

Then u can make friends with math ppl

And math

Math is my bf

[latent forge]

ive made friends with math people but ive never had really good conversations outside of math

[wild lantern]

You're doing gen ed wrong then lol

Might as well make an effort to learn if you're paying for it.

[light needle]

Math is like the common thing that gets u together

[limber perch]

what prof is locking your door

[light needle]

Then u can talk about other stuff from that

[latent forge]

thats the thing though, im not

[light needle]

Like many math ppl are wee

[wild lantern]

Figurative lmao

[light needle]

Weeb

And I think ur also weeb

[latent forge]

yes

but at school they dont appear to be weebs

no one yet actually

maybe we are all closeted

[light needle]

Just talk to em about some anime

I’ll prolly get some response lol

[latent forge]

yea but i cant be the one to start now

[light needle]

U

[latent forge]

i actually actively avoid mentioning anime

[limber perch]

are there any spanish weebs here

[latent forge]

yes

[limber perch]

or whatever the term is

because i have this ap spanish summer hw due tomorrow

and i haven't started it

[light needle]

Thonk

[wild lantern]

How so? You get grants and stuff right?

You spend those grants on classes.

[latent forge]

yea its all paid for

[wild lantern]

You also spend your time.

[latent forge]

i go to class

i get A- B+ in gen ed

but i dont want to invest srs time

into shit i cant care about

[light needle]

Yeah same

I get lower but yeah kek

[latent forge]

like reading political philosophy

[wild lantern]

I'm not saying invest every waking hour of your life to learn a new field.

[latent forge]

or old russian plaaywrktes

[light needle]

Good thing my ap credit got rid of the gen Ed’s for me

I would have kms’d if I had to do many gen Ed’s lol

[latent forge]

im junior year and i need two more

i finished my math bachelor requirement befoee gened

[light needle]

Oof nice

[wild lantern]

I mainly just mean that it's useful to see gen eds as an opportunity to learn something you might otherwise not learn.

[latent forge]

i have internet dood

[light needle]

Eh like I like that dood but

Gen Ed’s taught in first yr are so dumb

I’d probably enjoying going deeper

[wild lantern]

Yes but when else will you set time aside to study political philosophy or russian playwrights? Lol

[light needle]

But also I don’t have that time

[latent forge]

i wont since i will never care for that

it would be utterly fucking silly for me to care honestly speaking

[light needle]

Like if they taught the gen Ed’s with some higher level or rigor or smth idk I’d be into it

[latent forge]

unless it struck an artistic chord

[light needle]

(First yr that is)

[wild lantern]

Idk if ppl can be totally sure of what they'll like in the future.

[latent forge]

no but i came to school to study math/agriculture/cs

not russian playwrites

[light needle]

Agriculture nice

[latent forge]

well i ended up not going into agriculture school

so its a rip

im only for math

[light needle]

Oof

Math is the right choice.

[latent forge]

i know i hate writing artistically and analysises

not that i have anything against that activity

but it impedes my goals

[wild lantern]

I mean you probably came to school to get a degree. That degree has some breadth requirement intended to make you well rounded in a sense. So in a sense you came to school to become academically well rounded (sort of).

[latent forge]

no offense

ive always hated that argument

[wild lantern]

Why?

[latent forge]

its a bunch of bullshit

[wild lantern]

No offense taken lol.

Is it though?

[latent forge]

definitely

i dont remember any history from highschool

or ever recall it actively

and thats important history

gen ed is established to keep professors employed

and keep students busy

[wild lantern]

I don't think that's the whole purpose for gen ed.

[latent forge]

thats my personal opinion atleast

if its to make people well rounded why is more weighting on humanities

and not math and science and engineering

or even history

[wild lantern]

Idk about your school but these things seem vaguely fairly weighted where I'm at.

[latent forge]

oh really?

[blazing pawn]

Because humanities are more relevant to your intellectual life speaking frankly

[latent forge]

cap

i havent used an ounce of that knowledge anywhere

[wild lantern]

I think the issue isn't that stem is unfairly weighted I think there's just quite a lot of academic fields in general and stem is actually only a single part.

[slim meadow]

this is how you get mathematicians creating racially biased algorithms lmao

[latent forge]

lol what

[latent forge]

possibly

[slim meadow]

My point is that the idea that you should only focus on math and ignore everything else leads to such things

[blazing pawn]

Even if ur just a random person having a solid understanding of history, being able to think about media critically, etc are a lot more relevant to things like uhhh

Making political decisions

[latent forge]

no one said i need to do that

[slim meadow]

Also humanities majors do have required math classes that they probably will never use?

[latent forge]

oh yes the one course of calc 1

and stats

meanwhile i take half their courses

in jewish studies

[wild lantern]

Arguably you do as a cs major. Why do you think so many cs programs require things like an ethics class now?

[blazing pawn]

They have to do required bio/chem/physics

lab sciences

[latent forge]

wait hold up im only doing math and please halt halt halt

[blazing pawn]

Also again STEM is objectively speaking primarily relegated to occupational use

[latent forge]

i have no problem with taking 4 gen ed classes

but i have to take 10

[blazing pawn]

The exception being stats

Humanities courses are a lot more relevant when it comes to, like, being an informed member of society lol

[latent forge]

i wouldnt mind optionally taking some gen ed classes

[latent forge]

capicunrnicap

[wild lantern]

Oops I thought you were still doing cs lol. My bad.

[slim meadow]

I mean, people with your mindset won't take any humanities if they're optional

[latent forge]

my math degree is 13 classes

gen ed requirements are 10

[blazing pawn]

if your occupation is unrelated to chemistry then chemistry probably will not show up at all in your daily life

[latent forge]

if someone studies any other course than math they take less gen ed

[blazing pawn]

Most people who are not writers or historians still need to think critically about writing and history

[latent forge]

i wouldnt take humanities id take things i care about

like agriculture

[slim meadow]

Yes that's the whole problem

[latent forge]

why is this a problem

[blazing pawn]

Well colleges would ideally like to leave their students with the ability to uhhh use their noggins

[limber perch]

nine9 back on agriculture

[slim meadow]

Also, I'd disagree that forcing you to take gen eds restricts how much math you can take. For me, work in gen eds required a different effort so that even if I would've had to take less gen eds, I probably couldn't have handled more math classes

[wild lantern]

We need math trade schools lol

Then nine can ditch gen eds.

[light needle]

My problem is every single gen ed i have taken from my school has been immensly bad lol

[latent forge]

i agree which is part of problem

[blazing pawn]

I think that flexibility in gen eds is cool and there are problems with like

[slim meadow]

Again, this is a problem because you end up with people that don't understand the broader societal impacts their work can have, e.g. the mathematicians who blindly created an algorithm that had racial biases

[blazing pawn]

unmotivated students making the overall quality of learning/discussion worse

[latent forge]

ok my main point is that math majors get fucked at my school while other majors dont. We have 32 gen ed credits and all the math courses combined only give 4 of them

[blazing pawn]

But it seems just silly to insist that chemistry/physics occupies a similarly important position to history in terms of being a functioning and critical human in modern society the latter is obviously much more directly important/relevant

[latent forge]

some humanities classes give 3 at a time

[light needle]

this and also the first yr gen eds are dumbed down considerably to the point where i just cannot care about the class

[sly thistle]

Hello

[latent forge]

i doubt taking a gen ed class would prevent something like this but sure.

[light needle]

tbh if they made me go deeper on some gen eds id probably appreciate it more

[blazing pawn]

This is why i like the schools that do it as like "do 1 class in department x, another in dept y, etc"

So i can just do the cool stuff

[sly thistle]

What are we talking about today

[light needle]

thonk sounds better

[latent forge]

gen ed

[slim meadow]

I mean, I took a gen ed on the impacts of slavery in society today, and obviously not everyone would take that but that definitely would help

[latent forge]

lol

luckily i know my history so i dont need to take a class on it

[wild lantern]

Sociology, anthropology and history all could help prevent that stuff?

[slim meadow]

[wild lantern]

Philosophy and ethics in particular too.

[latent forge]

also i went to a religious school so i dont get why i need to take philosophy or theology

[light needle]

also moth, i realize now

that when u said tim came out

u meant tim drake

[blazing pawn]

LMFAO

What did you think i meant

[light needle]

the annoying user here lmao

[latent forge]

tim o brain

[astral marsh]

tim the beaver

[sly thistle]

Ain’t that from Batman

[astral marsh]

lol