im sad
#serious-discussion
worldly roost
neat lintel
me neither 😭
olive karma
i remeber just turning up to school and getting told im sitting the olympiad paper thing
Got to the second round for the people that arent smart enough to do the actual thing
thorn brook
I remember asking my teacher to sign me up for a math competition thing that leads to IMO. He was like sure. Nothing happened from that point 
neat lintel
I once went to the second qualifying round, looked at the questions and left as soon as they let us
olive karma
yeah im kinda glad i got to the second round for losers, i got like 3 poinst on it or somthing
the jump is massive
neat lintel
I remember going to the IMO and getting 1st place
imagine if that is actually just terence tao shitposting
sick burrow
if terence tao had an alt on this server who would it be
leaden torrent
jacobian
sick burrow
who
neat lintel
jacobian
leaden torrent
sorry that joke requires about 3 hours of deep server lore (TM) to understand
let me think of a simpler one
@polar panther
neat lintel
what about ecneret?
sick burrow
sorry that joke requires about 3 hours of deep server lore (TM) to understand
I feel like I have heard the name jacobian before
he wasn't the guy that said the 0 map wasn't a linear transformation, right?
that was like hank or something
leaden torrent
that wasnt him
well everyone is a jacobian alt
so it technically was him
but it wasnt
vast surge
Was jacobian the "topologies are glorified semilattices" guy?
leaden torrent
no.
blazing pawn
Was jacobian the "topologies are glorified semilattices" guy?
.pin
quasi jettyBOT
Was jacobian the "topologies are glorified semilattices" guy?
deep mango
sick burrow
first pinned message in #serious-discussion
sharp mulch
Mods will unpin it
Probably
There have been other posts pinned
But they were quickly unpinned
sharp mulch
Lol
deep mango
The joke is that dicussion-2 doesnt have any messages worth pinning
I don't get the joke either
astral marsh
vagrant kestrel
[unpinnable drivel]
cold needle
there will never be any pins in discussion 2.
sick burrow
there will never be any pins in discussion 2.
.pin
sharp mulch
Lol
sharp mulch
Lol
cold needle
Not happening chief.
nimble shuttle
Not happening chief.
sick burrow
Not happening chief.
ancient flame
Not happening chief.
anyone wanna have a discussion about differentials? I find them fascinating yet strange
the fact that dy/dx is written as a fraction when you shouldn't treat it as a fraction but you can manipulate it like a fraction (e.g. separation of variables) is just weird
mild nebula
Differentials are invented by physicists to make equations easier to parse. There is no real mathematical object that a differential "is"
You can split them and recombine them because the chain rule is pretty
Abuse of notation sounds like a bad thing, but u-sub and separation of variables are very handy
leaden torrent
Differentials are invented by physicists to make equations easier to parse. Ther...
urge to nitpick rising
mild nebula
I don't mean differentials in terms of differential geometry
leaden torrent
darn.
summer nest
Differentials are invented by physicists to make equations easier to parse. Ther...
Wrong. Differentials are invented to distribute power efficiently between two wheels 😌
sharp mulch
Differentials as discussed in physics and odes are a lie
mild nebula
Ahh shoot I always forget about those
sharp mulch
Differential forms in diff geo are real
ancient flame
Differentials are invented by physicists to make equations easier to parse. Ther...
I see, so what's the proper form? should dy/dx really just stay f'(x)?
leaden torrent
thats ambiguous in a context with more than just one variable
vagrant kestrel
ancient flame
im really only talking about single variable for simplicity
leaden torrent
then you can treat them as fractions without issue
as long as youre not dumb about it
leaden torrent
yes
ancient flame
it should be partial f / partial x
ancient flame
how so?
leaden torrent
in a multivar context
ancient flame
you couldn't do separation of variables?
leaden torrent
just... try any example of manipulating partial derivatives as fractions
itll probably break
ancient flame
is there a specific reason as to why?
leaden torrent
separation of variables kind of works but with modification
you cant just treat it as naive fractions anymore
leaden torrent
is there a specific reason as to why?
a better question to ask is why the single variable case works
naively we'd have no reason to think it does
besides the suggestive notation
ancient flame
makes sense
because single variable is like a super simplified case, so it works out coincidentally, right?
leaden torrent
coincidentally is a bit overly dismissive, theres deep reasons why it works
if you look at exterior algebras and whatnot, its "obvious" the dimension=1 case collapses into simple multiplication of differential forms
but that requires a background in analysis to explain
leaden torrent
any differential geometry?
ancient flame
nope lol
leaden torrent
multilinear algebra of function spaces?
ancient flame
no lmao
leaden torrent
cant help you then
sharp mulch
Lol
ancient flame
unfortunate
leaden torrent
you can try reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exterior_algebra and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_form
ancient flame
key word: try
leaden torrent
but idk if thatll help
ancient flame
yeah it hasn't helped, hopefully I'll be able to understand this at some point, but thanks for trying lmao :')
bold ferry
why not read Loring Tu's intro to manifolds
ancient flame
any prerequisites for that? @bold ferry
bold ferry
you should know a bit of linear algebra. i learned algebra stuff which i didnt know along the way @ancient flame
like familiarity with dual space, dual basis,....are needed
he discusses all these things so u should be good
bold ferry
and later, u will need topology @ancient flame
ancient flame
oh
bold ferry
topics u will need are discussed in appendix of the book
analog salmon
vtuber is doing a "math challenge"
stream titled "let's solve all the equations!"
pain
sharp mulch
I know a vtuber who does math streams sometimes
analog salmon
tfw no vtuber to watch calculate the fundamental group of a wedge of n circles
sharp mulch
Yeah the vtuber I have in mind does logic stuff
deep mango
logic and final fantasy 14
sharp mulch
Yes
deep mango
no, this is the same person i was thinking of
untold sapphire
people who try to do all topology via order theory annoy me somewhat
well idk. i think pointless topology is interesting because the locale/frame is what you need to do sheaf theory.
astral marsh
sounds pointless
untold sapphire
yeah people say this about most sheaf theory/category theory lol. rip
but i tried to read this book called "monoidal topology" which is all about trying to do topology with quantales and it was less than engaging lol
"Posets are just the lax eilenberg-moore algebras of the category of sets and relations enriched over posets"
same thing with metric spaces
astral marsh
no i was just making a joke
untold sapphire
i know, dw
I did actually read a legit book review recently of a textbook on sheaf theory where the reviewer was just like
"This book is garbage because sheaf theory is not real math"
lmao
he was like "Category theory and sheaf theory are a language and don't need a whole textbook on them. sheaves should be at most a single chapter in a book on Riemann surface theory or differential geometry, plus a handful of exercises. this book is actively deceptive because it proceeds definition-lemma-theorem-proof and thus conveys to the reader the impression that they are reading mathematics, however, as we have said, sheaf theory is not mathematics, it is a language. Real mathematics is, essentially, geometry."
it was such a hot take my god
one of my favorite books is on sheaf cohomology so i was just like, damn, what an asshole lmao
narrow rock
lol
narrow rock
one of my favorite books is on sheaf cohomology so i was just like, damn, what a...
which book
astral marsh
i see lmao
untold sapphire
Godement's book on sheaves in algebraic topology, Topologie Algebrique et Theorie des Faisceaux
civic jacinth
help me do this i got 400
astral marsh
untold sapphire
it's mostly a standard textbook but there's one piece of originality which is that he gives a "simplicial" formulation of sheaf cohomology, like instead of a resolution of a sheaf being an exact sequence of injective sheaves, a resolution of F is a cosimplicial object in the category of sheaves augmented by F. he then proves that like, all the usual formulas from singular cohomology to define the cup product and so on translate into sheaf cohomology using the simplicial structure. very cool
so like, the Alexander-Whitney formula for the cup product
or the Steenrod squaring operations
narrow rock
untold sapphire
it's also a good introduction to spectral sequences at a very limited level of generality, which is nice because spectral sequences are mega complicated so introducing them at like 20% power and then using them to prove a bunch of cool shit is a very good approach pedagogically
and motivates learning more about them later on
narrow rock
gelfand and manin's section on spectral sequences is pretty nice
untold sapphire
i like gelfand and manin. like gelfand and manin, godement's book starts by stressing simplicial methods, he usually works with simplicial Abelian groups rather than chain complexes
untold sapphire
they're hard!
lol
sometimes they're a bit brusque for my taste because they kind of gloss over some technicalities that are easy once you get what's going on but like
you shouldn't gloss over technicalities in the statement of an exercise that the student is going to have to figure out on their own midway through
neat lintel
Quick question can you give a certain number a variable and use that variable in a calculation for example : 12.14 = a / (a +4)/2 = 8.07
or would that be illegal in exams
pale orchid
can you ask your question again a little more clearly?
what do you mean give "give a number a variable", and why is 12.14 = 8.07
neat lintel
sorry my english is bad im trying to say if you can give a certain number a variable and use that variable in your calculation
pale orchid
if you do it right and following all the basic arithmetic rules, there should be no problem
odd narwhal
It's just replacing one symbol with another
neat lintel
it just makes it quicker to calculate when using big numbers
because sometimes i want to use the precise number when calculating and i dont want to write the whole number down
pale orchid
as long as you do it correctly, yeah
what you wrote above wouldn't be allowed because you wrote it in a way that it seems you're saying 12.14 = 8.07
pale orchid
most likely, yeah, but do be careful to not leave it up to the grader's interpretation
stuff requiring more than a couple neuron seconds doesn't tend to be well-received
inner finch
light cradle
I have attended school a little late and the lesson I have are sequences, are there any tricks to help me solve problems faster?
modest rune
17 is my favorite sequence
light cradle
and answers are like n^2 + 1
light cradle
I see
modest rune
Its pattern recognition
light cradle
i thought there were tricks haha
modest rune
And pattern recognition is just practice
There are “tricks” but the “tricks” are just made up of intuition you build through seeing a lot of examples
whole copper
it blew my mind as a kid that the difference between consecutive squares are the odd numbers
devout nacelle
You should familiarise yourself with arithmetic/geometric progressions, and practice these problems more and more.
light cradle
but thanks for letting me know, It's a relief that I asked this before learning it. Atleast I now know that there's no shortcuts
thanks Manan and MaxJ
modest rune
But seriously the larger your internal library of examples is the more you’ll be able to fly through these
whole copper
there are general ways to go about too, like checking the differences between consecutives in the list and stuff like that
deep mango
devout nacelle
MaxJ #PatternRecognitionPro
sharp mulch
Lol
modest rune
We both get paid to do math lol
deep mango
i haven't been paid yet
light cradle
modest rune
Oh me either
whole copper
get paid to sit around, the math is just a side hobby
deep mango
also
sharp mulch
Max excels at finding low dimensional patterns
deep mango
i really think if you're being paid to be a student it doesn't count
modest rune
The equivalent of an intern
deep mango
i'll consider myself a professional once i pass my oral qual
inner finch
I have attended school a little late and the lesson I have are sequences, are th...
When i was younger we had to do shit like this
and i was too minibrained to look at them and be like oh that's obviously 12n^2 + 1232 + 324n
light cradle
i overthink alot
inner finch
You can do some linear algebra fuckery with this tho
light cradle
my brain is smooth like butter
inner finch
You can first assume that the sequence is given by a degree n polynomial p(n)
now take in p(0), p(1), p(2), p(3) etc and then solve these simeltaniously for their coefficients
light cradle
our n starts with (1)
inner finch
You get Ax = b and A is pretty much always invertible for whatever n you choose so you get x = A^-1 b, and the vector x contains your coefficients you want, plug them into the polynomial before and voila
its a bit long but if you have a decent calculator itll be quicker i thinks
esp if u can save the matrices or sth like that
light cradle
this is too complicated for my brain by i think i can manage
inner finch
Once im done eating ill work an example for u
light cradle
sure thanks
inner finch
It's what i did
inner finch
It worked for me
light cradle
tbh i cant understand shit, even what's written on this powerpoint
deep mango
ok tbf you can analyze lots of recurrences with linalg
whole copper
I think its fine advice as long as you guess enough forms... if poly fitting doesnt work try an exponential fit
or an exp * poly or something, idk how hard these sequences are lol
inner finch
I mean this is going to be mainly easier sequences
but at the same time im horrible at pattern recognition
whole copper
the main thing is after fitting say a quadratic to 3 points.. check that it actually still works on the rest of the sequence
inner finch
so i liked the easy algorithm of the aforementioned method
modest rune
So so cursed
Also
Completely fails for recursive sequences
Which iirc aren’t uncommon
inner finch
devout nacelle
I mean, if you're studying such finite sequences of integers, in all likelihood it would be a combination of arithmetic/geometric progressions of some nature
whole copper
what kind of recursive sequence would they be asking you to get a closed form for that this wouldnt work?
inner finch
Well i did assume they are polynomials, im assuming this isnt going to be anything recursive 
whole copper
if they are asking you to get a closed form, presumably you can fit it..
deep mango
you're recursive
inner finch
im cursive
deep mango
cocursive
light cradle
it's arithmetic
modest rune
I think it’s not uncommon for the pattern to be like
“Add 4 to the previous number and multiple by the one before it”
Something like this
inner finch
I guess it depends on the syllabus
Since the time i was doing the poly fitting shit was when
whole copper
this can be fit right? thats yucky in any case
but its some sum of exp * polys? solving the recurrence?
inner finch
we didn't have any recursion in our syllabus
devout nacelle
The only exams where I've seen pattern recognition in sequences have all been generic/non-mathy papers
inner finch
So this worked pretty well 😌
modest rune
this can be fit right? thats yucky in any case
No clue don’t wanna think about it lol
fathom swallowBOT
ryc
whole copper
that has closed form! riemann zeta function
inner finch
sleek wing
**ryc**
converges to 1 for all starting values, I'll omit the proof as it's a simple application of certain methods
modest rune
What about this sequence $a_n=$ the cardinality of $\pi_{m+n}S^n$ for large $n$
devout nacelle
we didn't have any recursion in our syllabus <:sotrue:826971355542192148>
Do you have induction in your curriculum?
fathom swallowBOT
MaxJ #MiuArmy
inner finch
Do you have induction in your curriculum?
we actually don't
devout nacelle
devout nacelle
Local maxima fammmmmm
inner finch
compute the integral of 123o21u38123213843284302432x^12312312423432423424
this mathematics is so ADVANCED
there are so many BIG NUMBERS
oh hey integral calculator is here
sleek wing
123o21u38123213843284302432/123123124234324234245*x^12312312423432423425+c
inner finch
hi nG
vivid halo
@modest rune cool topology facts! For X a K3 surface, π_3(X)=Z^252 and π_4(X)=Z^3520+(Z/2Z)^42
inner finch
123o21u38123213843284302432/123123124234324234245*x^12312312423432423425+c
wow looks like you wrote 123o21u38123213843284392432 instead of 123o21u38123213843284302432 :////
looks like this means you don't know how to integrate :/
study harder next time
sleek wing
one moment
modest rune
<@!158305429615673345> cool topology facts! For X a K3 surface, π_3(X)=Z^252 and...
“Cool topology fact the most disgusting thing I’ve read”
sleek wing
darn
modest rune
Just scan it
deep mango
this is like when tterra ambushes you for a cool fact from some class you had, and you tell him this to get back at him
modest rune
The difference is obvious
sleek wing
horrifying
deep mango
i spent one second and read like 4 digits
inner finch
inb4 max grades my papers
vivid halo
don't worry max this is a cool theorem
deep mango
theorem A
inner finch
theorem N_0
sharp mulch
Theorem A
modest rune
don't worry max this is a cool theorem
Genuinely cool theorem
deep mango
does math twitter ever use hashtags that look like you're asking for the cardinality of a set or doing one of those products or whatever
sleek wing
4-manifold
😅
modest rune
Sad
vivid halo
moreover the ranks of the homotopy groups grow exponentially
modest rune
Me and ryc reading group
deep mango
hmm
sharp mulch
Lol
deep mango
this is just like, a lot more algtop heavy than the other closed geodesic asymptotic proofs i've seen
impressive
deep mango
that looks very exciting and pretty, but i don't have the context to see what's going on i suppose
neat lintel
closed geodesics 
narrow rock
velvet dagger
don't worry max this is a cool theorem
The fuck
That's nifty but it's so scuffed lmao
bronze pelican
@vivid halo
inner finch
ou wou
bronze pelican
i love the juxtaposition of math and anime in a naive google search
light needle
math is just anime
neat lintel
Wow, I just developed crushes on those girls in the top right
light needle
have you not seen the galois corrospondence between fields of math and subanimes
leaden torrent
Wow, I just developed crushes on those girls in the top right
they look 14
at most
neat lintel
they look 14
What, no way
light needle
anime has ruined your brain.
bronze pelican
based but they do competition math so
leaden torrent
dude their heads are like half the size of their upper bodies
you cant convince me they're older than 14
admittedly though those legs are long as shit
bronze pelican
have you not seen the galois corrospondence between fields of math and subanimes
what
light needle
yes
cold needle
Namington has lots of experience 
limber perch
idk, cynthia stoner, and shyam narayanan
actually you probably knew that if you posted the pic
nice 👍
leaden torrent
wait i had no clue stoner transitioned
now i feel bad for posting a pre-transition pic
astral marsh
unresolved mystery: the guy on the left is in a different pic
limber perch
the guy on the right looks awkward
but this is exactly how my dumbass would stand
latent forge
now i feel bad for posting a pre-transition pic
not to be insensitive but why should we feel bad?
light needle
so the general idea is that, pre-transition stuff like a dead name or pictures or w/e can trigger dysphoria, and also is in general considered disrespectful to the trans person
light needle
hmm most I know do but also there are cases where people dont have dysphoria i think? im not super well educated on the nuances of that lol
i just use the rule of thumb of avoiding anything pre transition that could be harmful
latent forge
ill follow suite
light needle
and whatever the person tells me is ok/not ok
inner finch
You don't have to have dysphoria to be trans, but a lot of trans people do have dysphoria
Posting pictures of you pre-transition is akin to like
hm
inner finch
constantly reminding you of your childhood in a sense . In this analogy trans people are seen a children (i.e. who they were before) constantly
latent forge
No not necessarily
inner finch
Bad analogy but you get what i mean
inner finch
What's the difference
latent forge
Well there doesnt need to be the implication of seeing the person as a child
rather they are a different person in ideas and thought such that they cant relate as well
If im interpretting this correctly thats the feeling?
I dont know if I need to understand
inner finch
im not getting what u mean 
light needle
cis moment 
inner finch
isomer moment
light needle
lol brain washed by ochem
inner finch
its over ochem losers have entered the chat
latent forge
cis moment <:catThink:526983414226747393>
Yea Im not meant to understand yet
light needle
im mostly meming
inner finch
become trans
latent forge
Maybe in 2070
light needle
its nice ur trying to understand kek
inner finch
detroit: become trans
light needle
ah the very related topic
latent forge
Well I wont be me in 2070 hopefully
Hopefully I ascend to heaven
mentally ascend
Hmm my phrasing does sound sus
inner finch
i am nb 
light needle
yes.
fathom swallowBOT
light needle
<@&268886789983436800>
latent forge
Was that bait?
light needle
this is common holocaust denying language
leaden torrent
its holocaust denialism
leaden torrent
usually something along the lines of "im just asking questions bro"
latent forge
or is he implying it didnt happen because population is off
light needle
basically
leaden torrent
or at least that the numbers are forged
latent forge
why deny a genocide existence?
leaden torrent
usually to imply that the nazis werent so bad.
light needle
happens in a lot of context
leaden torrent
either that, or that the jews are pulling the strings of world politics
light needle
like ppl deny it for whats going in china
light needle
is a common recent one
latent forge
idk whats happening in china besides displacement of falun dafa
toxic schooner
leaden torrent
armenian genocide denialism is also a big thing in turkey
latent forge
and falun gong
leaden torrent
although at least turkey doesnt try to downplay the numbers
they just say it wasnt a genocide
and rather was a contracted civil war, or was justified actions against dissidents, or was internal infighting
or whatever
torn willow
idk whats happening in china besides displacement of falun dafa
What about the uighyur thing
latent forge
what is uighyur
leaden torrent
math discord tries to spell "uighur"
light needle
this is why i didnt try to spell it.
leaden torrent
what is uighyur
a muslim population living in western china that the government is widely believed to be engaged in active genocide against.
torn willow
latent forge
oh
torn willow
Ok, spelling is wronh
latent forge
how do i even know these things exist without internet
leaden torrent
news media?
the chinese government itself admits to using "re-education camps" and actively discouraging islam
and trying to prevent uighurs from reproducing
latent forge
im not arguing specifics im just speaking in generalities
leaden torrent
if you believe the reports of (american-aligned) journalists and the CIA, their actions are far more aggressive than that, including forced sterilization and work-to-death camps
latent forge
Has the downplay genocide strategy ever worked?
light needle
yeah a lot
leaden torrent
well, if you want to defend the communist party of china, acknowledging "yeah theyre currently genociding some folk but thats okay" is kind of a losing battle
inner finch
where they sent ppl from "educated" parts of china
latent forge
holy shit you cant expect me to keep searching these hard af names
leaden torrent
so defending the communist party kind of requires you to deny a genocide
light needle
like hell even in like canada
latent forge
im in mobile
sharp mulch
The British have committed a few genocides that people don't really know about now
light needle
ppl still deny the stuff against first nation ppl
inner finch
a lot of the
light needle
which was practically genocide
sharp mulch
And yeah Canada with first nations peoples
inner finch
countries that colonized did do genocide
leaden torrent
sure but canada continued well after occupying the territory in question
the intention wasnt just to settle the land
it was very actively to "de-indianize" the first nations
latent forge
Makes sense i guess
inner finch
awal mumalik
leaden torrent
like, old laws and whatnot use precisely that term
latent forge
thats what colonizers do
its literally capture the flag but irl
and everyone dies
sharp mulch
For China/Uighurs it's a lot of tankies being like CCP good and what not
latent forge
what is a tankie
inner finch
see see pee
inner finch
what is a tankie
red facist
latent forge
communist facist?
leaden torrent
tankie = defender of authoritarian communism
light needle
basically
inner finch
communist person who ends up just being a facist
leaden torrent
the USSR, the CPC
leaden torrent
or CCP or whatever acronym they prefer to use
latent forge
i still dont know what facist is
leaden torrent
often north korea as well
latent forge
besides something something authority
inner finch
the united states of states of russia
light needle
nazbol moment
latent forge
Have any genocides ever been fiction?
light needle
ever heard of
latent forge
Just devil’s advocate
torn willow
Have any genocides ever been fiction?
The genocide of the air nomads
light needle
its really funny lol
inner finch
white genocide
latent forge
Oh i googled it
devout nacelle
Ooof.
light needle
sharp mulch
Lol pure white blood
inner finch
progressive movements are authoritarian and are out to destroy the poor weak american white boys
sharp mulch
Blood is red
latent forge
It sounds weird ig
leaden torrent
well it's been believed for a long long time that jews are planning on genociding good ol' christian folk
devout nacelle
This stupidity is omnipresent across cultures
sharp mulch
If you're blood is white then something is very wrong with you
latent forge
well it's been believed for a long long time that jews are planning on genocidin...
Yes its not far fetched given that jews hate christians
light needle
i just have a lot of white blood cells ok
leaden torrent
but not really, generally accusing someone of a genocide requires a fuckton of evidence
the nice part is that genocides typically produce a lot of evidence
in the form of bodies
although of course, you can hide bodies
sharp mulch
That's why you burn the bodies
leaden torrent
as canada recently found out
latent forge
@inner finch they killed jesus.
sharp mulch
And use the ashes as fertilizer
inner finch
lol
leaden torrent
Yes its not far fetched given that jews hate christians
uhhhhh
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
inner finch
jewish people did xyz thing long before this must mean that all jewish people are exactly the same
leaden torrent
not a good line chief
latent forge
I thought Muslims for false prophet
light needle
its dislike in the sense
latent forge
Christians for false prophet and not recognizing mohammad
leaden torrent
its possible to think a religion is false without literally hating its practitioners
devout nacelle
A small subset of overly religious people hating other people is not the same as saying an entire community hates another.
inner finch
I thought Muslims for false prophet
not really
latent forge
cheistians belive muslims have false prohpet I meant
latent forge
and muslims are critical of idolization of jesus
inner finch
Vast majority just leave each other alone
light needle
i mean this is just religion
latent forge
Yes but im speaking in religious generalities
light needle
disagreeing with each other
latent forge
Yes
leaden torrent
the correct conclusion from "interreligious conflicts exist" is not "all followers of x religion hate followers of y religion"
we are not denying the former statement
inner finch
Not very sure about the still do part
leaden torrent
we're denying the latter
latent forge
Well hate/dislike
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i dont think thats true either
inner finch
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i know christians with very close jew friends
this region has like 0 muslims so i cant say anything there
inner finch
most people will be respectful to ppl with different religious beliefs
leaden torrent
but one would expect it to be the same
latent forge
Im first generation middle east and parents give impression that they are accepting of other religions but its dangerous to be atheist in some places
leaden torrent
certainly zealots hate followers of other religions
thats like, the definition of a zealot
light needle
yeah it is
leaden torrent
but the fact that "zealot" and "follower" are different terms
light needle
but i think thats probably more of a
leaden torrent
should be pretty suggestive here lmao
light needle
socioeconomic meme
inner finch
Im first generation middle east and parents give impression that they are accept...
Yeah of course most people are accepting of diff religions
light needle
then a fully bc of religion thing
inner finch
but yeah denying god can be dangerous here
light needle
also its the US' fault dont @ me
leaden torrent
eh sure, religious conflicts are often a convenient excuse for other forms of discrimination
inner finch
you're ofc going to get shit for it at the very least
leaden torrent
like a typical US anti-muslim is more afraid of arabs than islam
inner finch
indeed
latent forge
Yeah of course most people are accepting of diff religions
I dont know most people sadly to be honest I might of only had one on ones with under 100 people
And some people are really open with their hates so its suprising
light needle
yeah i got beaten up pretty daily by religious zelouts in my school in bangladesh lol
inner finch
I mainly am speaking about pakistan here
This can get kind of complex
with secretarian infighting and stuff too
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if anything, i'd say that jews are uniquely tolerant towards other religions, largely for historical reasons
as well as the fact that the jewish faith doesnt really like spreading itself
inner finch
Anyways gotta go
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and is more inherited and whatnot
like you can convert to judaism but its rare
and jews aren't as encouraged to proselytize as other faiths
typically speaking at least
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as well as the fact that the jewish faith doesnt really like spreading itself
I dont know only because a lot of my palestinian friends have told me how awkward they feel at jewish functions or other things that I cant relate to
leaden torrent
(as with anything, exceptions exist)
light needle
Anyways gotta go <:sotrue:826971355542192148>
bye mizzy
latent forge
I dont know many people mind you
light needle
gl on chem memes or w/e
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israel-palestine is a pretty big exception to a lot of things lmao
latent forge
I rarely have exposure to people who are practicing jewish
inner finch
nevermind im back
latent forge
and the hasidics in nyc arent that open in my experiences
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latent forge
Not suprising given their historical displacements
Similar to african diaspora and connection to the continent some of my family has
Mostly the first four points
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that 34% supporting BDS is pretty representative of the "strongly pro-palestine" subpopulation of US jews
but it seems the plurality are slightly pro-israel or don't take a side
latent forge
Yea but to quote someone earlier complicty in these situations doesnt really help
leaden torrent
2/3s don't believe the israel government is actively seeking piece
the point is that the opinions of israeli jews might not line up with those of international jews
(oddly, though, it seems netanyahu has more support among US jews than he does among israelis - lmao)
latent forge
Namington are you jewish by chance
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no
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no.
small kayak
I am
latent forge
The only other genocide that ive heard people say was faked was something starting with a B or A
Oh yeah
Belgium Congo genocide
I remember watching this guy who does free software stuff on youthbe
and for whatever reason he brought up a point of belgium congo genocide being fake
I truly don’t understand motivations sometimes
leaden torrent
there's a valid argument that the congo genocide gets undue attention when basically every colonial power was doing something similar
but thats certainly a different thing than downplaying its severity lmao
latent forge
undue attention?
leaden torrent
you could argue it wasnt "genocidal" in that the goal probably wasnt to wipe out any particular race
and was instead just to milk them for as much money as they could
but thats a definitional issue that distracts from the fact that, yeah, they were putting millions through a lot of suffering and death to turn a profit
leaden torrent
undue attention?
as in, the actions of other colonizers should be scrutinized just as harshly
and the congo genocide is only the "most well-known" because of heart of darkness
latent forge
I dont know what heart of darkness is
leaden torrent
a book from 1899 about the author's experiences in the congo
its not biographical, it's a fictional work about fictional characters undergoing a fictional journey
latent forge
o ok
leaden torrent
but it's based on his experiences when he toured there
er, "toured" is the wrong word, i think he worked for some company there
the point being that he saw a lot of shit
and wrote a hugely successful novel about it
velvet dagger
Oh huh, were the other colonies treated as badly as the Congo?
leaden torrent
that kinda woke up the eyes of europeans to the mistreatments of "savages" in africa by colonizers
velvet dagger
I actually was under the impression that it was orders of magnitude worse there
leaden torrent
Oh huh, were the other colonies treated as badly as the Congo?
its a bit hard to tell since its less well-documented
but the difference certainly wasnt orders of magnitudes
congo was probably the "worst" but it was far from the only place where really bad shit was happening
its just that like, coverage of south africa was "we have the maxim gun; and they do not" while coverage of the congo was joseph fucking conrad
so there's a difference in how they live on in the historical memory
latent forge
online deathtolls look yikes
velvet dagger
I guess the only point of comparison I have is Morocco
latent forge
says around 9-10 mil
velvet dagger
And Morocco's shtick with France was not that bad
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south/east africa is where most of the brutality occured
latent forge
And Morocco's shtick with France was not that bad
what was the shtick
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france owned morocco for a while but didnt really make too many extractionary attempts in it
velvet dagger
I mean Morocco was officially a protectorate rather than a colony. And to my understanding you didn't have stuff like forced labor or heavy death tolls
velvet dagger
They built some roads, probably told the king what to do a bunch
obsidian parrot
Please anyone know answer for this
leaden torrent
it served some military utility as well, the north african theatre was of course very famous in ww2
@obsidian parrot #❓how-to-get-help
(though you might have better luck in physics server, see #old-network )
but yeah, turns out that a country thats 90% barely-habited desert doesnt have many resources to extract
at least excluding oil
velvet dagger
Oh tru when Vichy France was a thing I think they told Morocco to start handing over Jewish people
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and there was much more "history" between berbers and the french
velvet dagger
And Morocco was like how about you fuck yourself
Wait I'm Berber and I didn't even know that part lol, what history?
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well i phrased that poorly perhaps
velvet dagger
(I'm not as well-informed as I should be about this stuff)
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its just that french people were more... familiar with berbers/north africans in general
because of centuries of mediterranean trade
they didnt have that for south africans
velvet dagger
Ah
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far easier to dehumanize them and ignore their suffering
latent forge
Hopefully all this history erases over time and the world is completely globalized
leaden torrent
berbers often had more of a "noble savage" aspect to them
in how they were portrayed in a lot of european media
now of course the "noble savage" idea is kinda racist itself but like
far better to be a noble savage than a subhuman one
¯_(ツ)_/¯
velvet dagger
That makes sense, and lmfao the noble savage, I wonder what that must've looked like. I didn't know if they were portrayed much at all and if so, how
@latent forge would be tough. Some would argue it shouldn't happen, idk about the merits in the abstract to weigh in on that
But with power dynamics as they are it feels tricky to imagine globalization happening unless someone with less than pure intent decides to just roflstomp everyone
latent forge
Everyone would argue for it not to happen since people see erasure of culture as bad
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afaik they were often seen as like, bands of muslim traders riding berb horses through their tents and deserts
and while thats not the most accurate representation, its certainly better than "jungle people spending all day killing each other with spears"
oh yeah, i'd imagine the muslim aspect helped quite a bit
like europeans at the time didnt like muslims but
they at least KNEW muslims
latent forge
Tfw spanish in arabic script
leaden torrent
muslims believed in the same god and had largely predictible and understandable religious ideas
whereas south africans were a whole other can of worms
its a lot easier to dehumanize someone if you can portray them as worshiping river spirits and shit
at least from the perspective of a monotheistic christian
now im not pretending that colonizers treated north africans 100% nicely
i mean, the various infrastructure projects the UK tried in egypt are quite infamous at this point
but they were spared from the brunt of colonial abuse
velvet dagger
i mean, the various infrastructure projects the UK tried in egypt are quite infa...
I don't actually know about this, could you elaborate?
leaden torrent
the suez canal construction has an estimated 120k deaths attributed to it
over 11 years
velvet dagger
Holy shit
latent forge
Only 11
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this was before the UK formally conquered egypt mind, but egypt was solidly in their sphere of influence
latent forge
Thas a lot of people
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the construction was led by a UK company and funded by UK capitalists
(though actual work was mostly done by egyptians)
latent forge
tbh I wish these genocides were fake
leaden torrent
er oops
bad history
one sec
the canal was mostly funded by french interests, not UK ones
the UK conquered it later
sorry, wires crossed a bit
the UK was opposed to it because they preferred routing trade through the cape (which they controlled)
latent forge
so they bought the canal eventually?
leaden torrent
not bought, it was legally transferred over in the 1888 convention of constantinople but de facto controlled by them for a few years earlier iirc
in that they stationed massive boats near it
which mostly didnt bother trade ships but certainly restricted military ones
latent forge
Whats your opinion on expanding empires?
latent forge
Do you think they should be a thing
leaden torrent
expansionism bad
latent forge
What do you do though
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i currently do not own any empires.
latent forge
there is only so much you can do on your own soil
leaden torrent
i'll keep you posted once i get my hands on one
latent forge
bruh
idk either lol
but i think expansionism is the easiest and least risky strategy for improving
light needle
there is only so much you can do on your own soil
wtf
latent forge
im just thinking in hypotheticals
if i had control over a small country that could barely produce its own food and relied mostly on trade
im not sure what id do
light needle
just trade thonk
leaden torrent
that country is not in a position to expand
lmao
i mean expansionism makes sense from the perspective of a selfish king in the 1500s
it does not make moral sense
but it makes political sense
and sure, if you want to boil down political discourse to realpolitiks you can do that
latent forge
so what do you do as leader of that country to improve lives of people and in affect your own if you cant self sufficient your own land
leaden torrent
but like, realpolitiks today says that expansionism is usually a very very bad idea
russia only barely got away with crimea
latent forge
expansionism today would be shut down hard
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and that was with a lot of posturing and stomaching a lot of sanctions
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so what do you do as leader of that country to improve lives of people and in af...
discord user asks other user to solve world geopolitical problems, 2021.
unfortunately i'm not so sure the math discord's gonna be able to crack this nut chief
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no im just saying expansionism seems like the only natural thing to do );
but there is no moral way to handle that
because you will be destroying others to benefit
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the way that most small powers nowadays are coping with their position is by aligning themselves with china and getting a fuckton of support from them
latent forge
globalization isnt so bad see
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well, china's interests clearly arent altruistic here
they're seeking to expand their international sphere of influence
latent forge
no need
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but at least for parties involved, it's mutually beneficial
latent forge
yea sure
i mean full scholarships isnt that bad
and most small powers should be softlocked
because they cant make any agressive moves for improvements
inner finch
gloob
i rode the bike today
my dad was holding the controls only a little it felt p good
light needle
nice
inner finch
light needle
mfw still cannot ride bike
inner finch
will soon take my brother out once i know how to do it fully
i can ride the non motorized ones
the motorized ones are a bit sus tho
inner finch
m & m
light needle
motorbikes are p cool imo
i wanted to get one
but ya know
i cant do regular bikes lol
light needle
light needle
i did smh
inner finch
do it again
sly thistle
my friends forced me to back in hs
What
inner finch
do it again
sly thistle
Wait John doesn’t know how to ride a bike?
inner finch
everybody laugh at john
sly thistle
Lmao
Damn
I didn’t know some people didn’t learn how to ride a bike
Don’t they teach you at school
light needle
I take pride in the fact that i can make ppl laugh at me
sly thistle
half my personality is being so dumb with everyday things that its funny
That’s like
neat lintel
I can't ride bikes because of the gears
light needle
I have the perfect sol actually that makes perfect sense
@inner finch ur gonna have to teach me how to bike
sly thistle
they taught you how to ride a bike at school?
No
sly thistle
They made us ride bikes at school
narrow rock
and pedal
sly thistle
If you didn’t know how to ride a bike I’d assume you would learn then
velvet dagger
Lmao Brofibration
narrow rock
They made us ride bikes at school
my school did not do this
sly thistle
Well idk I’m Australian maybe it’s different here
They also make it so you have to learn how to swim
Idk how some people in America I’ve seen in movies, they’re like “I can’t swim” like is that a thing
inner finch
<@!284655838075813889> ur gonna have to teach me how to bike
thonk o think
just st on the bike and pedal brofib is right
light needle
sadge
inner finch
motorcycles are heavy
today i was trying to turn the bike around
shit took long af
probably bcs my dad was in the backseat but
sly thistle
Nvm you mean motor bike
cold needle
motorcycles are heavy
this
cold needle
how does one conduct themselves during office hours
ive never been to them
what happens in them
i feel like if i go into them now i will just say hello to the professor and then sit down and say nothing because idk why im there
what do u do during office hours tutorial pls
torn willow
i feel like if i go into them now i will just say hello to the professor and the...
You do that except you say something
torn willow
Your doubts?
cold needle
oh
okay
that
makes sense
um so do i just don't go to them if i don't have a question
cold needle
okay
slim meadow
no you can go if you don't have questions too
sometimes to listen to other students' questions
slim meadow
or to extend the ideas brought up in class
cold needle
ok that sounds good too
i was just wondering because ppl say to go to them but idk what to do in them
but yes ty for advice all
somber kite
I’ve heard it’s good to go to office hours at least once to introduce yourself and make a connection? Is that a good idea?
velvet dagger
Very important when you take differential geometry for sure
somber kite
Cool
velvet dagger
If other people are there observe
vivid halo
like the main way I built connections with professors that gave me okay letters as an undergrad was going to office hours or setting up meetings
velvet dagger
If nobody else is there ask generic cool questions
vivid halo
not necessarily about class material but just to chat math
velvet dagger
"What do you wanna cover but not have enough time for?" is a question I just thought of which tbh I should've asked more in undergrad
vivid halo
ooh yea that's good
torn willow
So, office hours are like this server but better?
velvet dagger
I mean depends on the prof
Office hours with me are the closest you'll get to eudaimonia
vivid halo
lmfao
velvet dagger
If you do it with some second rate prof then maybe not
vivid halo
I mean the point of office hours is to just socialize mathematically
not to get perfect answers to everything you're coming in with
if you wanted that you would just read papers and never talk to anyone
velvet dagger
Lmao I remember in algebra one time I was the only one in office hours
And we were just thinking about simple groups a bit
Like A_5 is the smallest aside from Z/pZ
What's next?
And we were working through some problem
I remember I said something clever, I can't recall exactly what it was
But I made a good observation and my prof was like ooh nice
Feels good man
velvet dagger
👍
somber kite
I’m going into undergrad this fall
vivid halo
lmfao Dami from the mini conference today
check this dumb number theory problem out
consider ordered factorizations of natural numbers. What proportion of these are palindromic, asymptotically?
which proportion are anti-palindromic?
vivid halo
I just means like
velvet dagger
Because in my mind ordering them excludes palindromes lol
vivid halo
for 12 considering (2,2,3) versus (2,3,2)
