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yes
yeah you should ask them to see if you qualify for a fee wavier
air superiority is always the answer
Yes fee waiver
I hope I qualify since I already qualified for full financial aid
Im sure as hell not spending 1k on grad apps
Thats like 1/8th my savings
How much time on average would it take to work through spivaks's calculus
Probably like 2 months,ig
For some schools I was able to get a waiver because I did an NSF funded REU
So check into that
Sort of weird that that's an option
This discriminates against people who didn't do nsf funded reus
Well most of the programs on the lists of programs they give waivers for are like
Actual programs that warrant it
Which serve underrepresented groups
And then just randomly NSF funded REU is on some of these lists

Have you solved that book?
this discriminates against people too lazy to google what nsf funded reu is
Yo I did 400lbs leg press @iron osprey
I thought my 1RM would be like 330
Nope, 400 was like my 4RM I'd judge from the 2 reps I did
I didn't think my quad strength would have held up that much during my 2y break
Well shit I guess that means I was way undershooting my target weight for 8*4 lmao
SHIT
I finished my 8*4 on 300 and then I tried as many 400 reps as possible, somehow got 10 actual ones off
i once gained 180lbs on my leg press in a single week
Jesús christ lmao
I think it's a matter of me not realizing how hard I can push myself
If you played league, it's whats3referred to as limit testing
animel abuse
wait, does the orbit space contain sets or just points?
orbit space? 
my book says that it is a set of all orbits, and an orbit is G.x = {g.x | g \in G}. Does this mean that the orbit space contains all G.x or just all g.x?
the orbits partition the set right
the orbit space is the set of all orbits
its the set of all classes G.x
basically
it's the set of G.x for all x
ohhh
lmao
okay great! Thank you so much!
yooo the homology section looks so scary. There's a lot of big diagrams 
homology is p fun
i think i wasnt a big fan of hatchers presentation of it
hopefully I like dieck's presentation better 
yeah I'm really hyped for that part since it sounds fun but it also looks really hard lmao
Its arguably a lot easier to digest than the pi_1 stuff
the only bad part is like
long combinatorial arguments
Yea its not pleasant
suggestions for websites for stoks bigginers?
stocks or stokes?
Lol
stokie
stonks
Ever just find something that ends up on Wikipedia?
In 8-dimensional geometry, the 421 is a semiregular uniform 8-polytope, constructed within the symmetry of the E8 group. It was discovered by Thorold Gosset, published in his 1900 paper. He called it an 8-ic semi-regular figure.Its Coxeter symbol is 421, describing its bifurcating Coxeter-Dynkin diagram, with a single ring on the end of the 4-no...
‘Cause found the rectified version’s coordinates!
A rather short name, as far as polytopes go.
Case in point: Triacontasnub triacontakismyriaheptachiliadiacosioctaconta-dischiliahectohexacontakisdiacositetraconta-zetton
how prove there are no n-manifolds X such that X minus two points is (n-1)-simply connected?
is not true?
(why are there no spaces with -2 holes)
huh

I don't know what you mean by "-2 holes"
like an "n-hole" should be something that witnesses a nonzero n-th Betti number, all negative Betti numbers are zero since ordinary cohomology vanishes in negative degree
I just meant formally what I asked, no n-manifolds X such that X minus two points is (n-1)-simply connected?
I can prove n = 2, and I think maybe n=3, but no idea about general
probably some long exact sequence somewhere...
yea my thought would be to use a long exact sequence in relative homology
im being a bit of a doodoo-head by asking for (n-1)-simply connected, but the homology stuff doesn't necessarily prove triviality of the corresponding homotopy right? like by hurewicz or whatever u only get like "one of the homotopy groups", but not all of them?
If you are simply connected then the first nonzero homology is the first nonzero homotopy
wait yeah oops
I think somehow I tricked myself into thinking since its only the bottom one thats guarenteed to match, that it doesnt work.. or something
If you're interested in number theory, you could try reading Cox's primes of the form x² + ny²
What would you say is the result in math that's most poorly explained by popmath
That isn't the incompleteness theorem
1 + 2 + 3 + ...
1+2+.. = -1/12
Oh right that
lol
Remember that 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + ... = 0.5 because that's the average
you get 0 if you do that
I mean
Would a efficient polynomial time algorithm for factorization not break a lot of encryption
Like P probably doesn't equal NP
P = NP wouldnt necessarily help you find an explicit algorithm
And if it did the proof might not be constructive yeah
And if it was the coefficients might be massive
Or constant terms
Like I have a constant time algorithm to factor numbers
Find every prime smaller than Graham's number and check all their products
If one of them happens to be the number you're trying to factor, save that in memory but don't stop
It's constant time because the number of steps doesn't depend on the input and it'll factor any number humans will realistically ever deal with
There I cracked RSA now where's my commutative division rings medal
It doesn't matter if it's within polynomial space. Have you tried any polynomial algorithm with n > 10^9 and polynomial degree >5?
Can you also purge that message
sure
are you gay???
ruthless edd
vod roght below
pi hole + blockada + ad away + yt vanced + sponsorblock .
My girlfriend did not think the fundamental group of the circle is cool, should I break up?
i do agree you should break up, but separating from your left hand is difficult
I'm right handed tyvm
Fr tho it's kind of a bummer when your partner doesn't find one of your.main passions exciting
on a more serious note, you don't have to share all interests or be the same person. as long as, within reason, they can respect and appreciate that you find it exciting. what you consider a deal-breaker is your own thing tho
Obviously, but it's still a bit of a bummer
Def not a dealbreaker we've been together for almost 2 years
But part of being in a relationship is also sometimes listening to your partner ramble about their interests
Which tbf she does
Still would've been nice if she shared a bit of my excitement tho yaknow
that/if they cares at all about math, that's already a small percentage of people
arguably your odds are overall better if it's someone you meet in your own study program, but i don't think that's how it goes for many people
Maybe you’re just a terrible communicator and can’t convey why it’s cool
Tbh I invited my gf to this server just to look at me shitpost sometimes
lol
snore
Just explain to her how all sets are uncountable
What is the index of a sublattice?
I’m confused about this because if one lattice contains another, it should do so in infinitely many distinct ways.
Does anyone have experience interning while doing their PhD?
During the year
You'll also be in the UK right
Yep
@sleek wing is from the UK I think
good evening, I'm not doing a PhD atm so I can't help unfortunately
There's a few places in London looking for interns that are very close to my intended research area
Wait what happened to the shit about phd programs you were going through?
Like a school said they'd take back their PhD offer or something right?
I accepted the offer from Oxford and managed to get through the hoops needed
It was just that I had to ace all of my final semester courses and only learned that halfway through the semester, but I managed to come out on top
Ah, that is good to hear

It made for a pretty insane finals week 😅
But anyway, there's some drug/cancer research institutes in London looking for people working in DL and I'd like to apply, but I'm afraid of waay overdoing it during my first year
You don't want to wait a year?
That'd be ideal
But completely honest, I'm going to struggle to survive financially 😅
Oh do they not give a good stipend
You could probably tutor and charge rich kids like 50 pounds/hour
They gave an alright one, but I couldn't afford the NHS payment up front and had to have part of my stipend expedited, which will make it tight
Tutoring is also more flexible than an actual job right
You're probably right, although I'm not so sure what mechanism is best for that. Online the rates for tutoring are significantly cheaper than 50 pounds/hour
what is the best way to get started with tutoring?
holy shit I might start tutoring that's insane money
I think for that amount you really need an in with wealthy people
But Dr wew, are you an oxford student/oxford graduate?
i will quit tutoring eventually when i lose my interest in it
I'm at a top 10 UK uni at least
*fivtehy
I could probably charge 80 buckaroonies here in the US of A.
As a PhD student.
People charge a lot more than that too
and get away with it
that's about 50 quid
,w buckaroonie
,w buckaroonie to quid exchange rate
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If ryc were a tutor he would secretly sabotage his student's understanding so he kept getting paid
if ryc were a doctor he would…
if i was their student i'd rather get detention
What?? Ryc is truly an unethical monster??
Wait doesn't oxford have lots of rich kids
yes
yes
For the record RYC tutored someone to a 5 on ap physics 
and charged like what
30 bucks an hour?
At least in Berkeley
and no, that is not an invitation for people to ask me for tutoring
can you tutor me in analysis ryc
no
And Berkeley isn't even that rich of a school
worth a shot
80 USD/hr for tutoring
Education is for the rich, so join the rich and not eat the rich is the theme here?
no
What about teaching Timmy to teach me how to conduct insider trading and getting away with it
What does a 5 mean
Ah
I'm considering offering tutoring for 1st years but it's a pretty competitive market
im going to tutor the 4th years here who dont know what a direct product is
4th year in highschool or college
latter
this is obvious hyperbole
behaves differently for infinite products but we all know infinity doesn't exist
someone asked what the notation $\bZ^r$ meant once in algebra and i've twisted it to mean "what is a direct product"
or am I just pepega
TTerra
Direct Operation.
direct sum is different for infinite products in that all but finitely many entries vanish
right
direct quotient 
but there is no such thing as a "finite" set
actually wait finite sets not existing would mean the direct sum is just bad for infinite sums


direct sums having this property ensures something like Hom(direct sum, B) = product Hom(summands, B)
i do not remember
(for abelian groups)
someone please correct me
indirect product.

this is true in R-mod in general iirc
What is the group of automorphisms of a complete graph on n verticies?
Is it S_n?
I can have any permutation of the verticies, right?
Yes

well
graphs model networks
netoworks model the real world
the real world is not simple - einstein or smth
therefore
Aff(F)
Affine transformations of the field F
Let F be a finite field
In mathematics, the affine group or general affine group of any affine space over a field K is the group of all invertible affine transformations from the space into itself.
It is a Lie group if K is the real or complex field or quaternions.
Okay so start with a Riemann sphere P^1(C) and ask for a compact connected Riemann surface Y with a holomorphic map Y -> P^1(C) such that the automorphism group Aut(Y/P^1(C)) is Aff(F_p)
Can I construct Y so that it has p branch points, each lying over the same ramified point in P^1(C), and each of ramification index p-1?
Moreover, this this case, does there exists a complete graph on p verticies embedded in Y with the verticies being those p branch points?

can you tutor me abstract algebra from the textbook Contemporary Abstract Algebra by Gallian
I’ve heard a lot of great things about it
why did u sully this rice? 
All groups are abelian
all abelians are groups
all are groups abelian
all grapes are abelian
And all polytopes are convex
Wait is that actually true or is there some counter example?
It feels true
Like generally
“All polytopes are convex”
If you define your polytopes to be convex, sure
I'm pretty sure there is at least one book with that kind of definition
Oh yeah, they can be higher dimensional lmao
It's not dimensionality that breaks convexity
Oh
Which is still star-convex
But actually I never found anyone using star convexity to do anything useful 
honestly i'd be worried if toki didn't know what convexity was considering how far into hatcher they are
It's the middle ground of this all the way to non-convexity
I’m not even that far lmao
I’m still at chapter 1 
so you should know what a convex set is
star convexity is useful for establishing basic facts about singular homology
doesn't hatcher start with simplical homology? so convexity is pretty important
No, Hatcher starts with like deformation retractions
I meant in homology
Counterexample: antiparallelogram
My nickname is another counterexample.
Meme book (bad)
Bradhleigh (derogatory)
After looking up star-convexity, polytopes actually don’t even have to satisfy it, either.
In fact, polytopes don’t even have to have a well-defined interior or boundary.
A polytope is a polytope
I’m curious. Does the name Embi mean anything to people in this server?
oh no
(If so, I’m sorry)
lets not
:(
Embi Alts are pretty easy to spot lol
No there’s no way. I don’t think he’ll ever change
whats embi
Lmao
My DNA ordinal is something something matrix thing fast growing sequence
I have a copy of the book he was writing lol. He planned to sell that
Yep. It’s a Google doc
I think it’s finished
Anyway, sorry for bringing up he-who-must-not-be-named :P turns out he’s more infamous than I thought
lollll
D:
if you want that, just join Embi’s server
Not really. I think everyone else in the server knows he’s insane
what is it called
They’re just there to laugh at him
Lemongrass Central
His main account got banned from discord, so he started using weird names
yes
Emerging markets balanced index or something
bond
Ah bond index
Ok
I really should call Chase and set up a managed investment account
Sigh
Wow. How do I have one of those before you.
oh right my grandparents passed away
I really need to figure out how all of that works and make sure things are set right
I mean
I have a Fidelity professional managed account
But you don't want to put all your eggs into one basket right
So is THIS THE BRAGGING SERVER, I JUST JOIN AND ASK A QUESTION AND NOT A SINGLE COMMENT?

Yes
I've had the Fidelity account for a while
But they don't do good credit cards
Whereas Chase does
So I want rewards
credit card bad
Do you not 
I use a credit card for everything
So I get rewards
Yes lol
Get reimbursed for hotel + food + flights
Have a credit card that gives extra rewards for travel and dining
Lots of points
Double up on points earning with loyalty programs

the book seemed fine to me tho (even tho i havent completely read it ofc)
oh there was a discussion sometime ago about this, wasnt there?

is proof by statistics a valid proof?
are there proofing tactics that involve statistics?
Depends on what you're trying to prove
If you are proving that there are 2 people in my bedroom rn then yeah that's a statistic I suppose
😌
umm I am not sure.
oh. I see
mirza and herself 
But if you are proving that all numbers have some property then no
So solving questions and stuff is basically statistical proofs?
Wtf you doing in my bedroom Mirza wtf

I think that’s only statistical by a technicality
How about "average height of a human is more than 4 feet"
I guess statistical proofs would be used for questions of a statistical nature
acha. I guess you can't generalize measurements. 
breaking news: you have to do statistics to answer questions about statistics
But even then that’s almost impossible to prove unless you go out and measure enoughh people
I wish
There are probabilistic proofs of existence of certain structures though
well it's not a strong proof though.
If all rooms had 2 people I'd be convinced that your room have 2 people as well.
you could be lying. That's the problem with statistical proofs.
yeah but those say things about probabilities 
No I'm saying the proof is that I see 2 people here
I dont see em
Why do I care about other rooms 
i might be in them 
My dick is 9 feet. Proof: trust me bro
oh I get the point. I was think of something else
So for example if you want to show that a graph exists which has both property P and property Q, then you can show that as you take bigger and bigger graphs, the probability that a graph has property P tends to 2/3, and the same for property Q. Then you immediately know that there exists a graph with both properties
that's over mean + 4 standard deviations so "probably" false.
That’s pretty cool actually
pretty sus i might say
I am familiar with such proofs. Thanks for bringing it up. We studied it in urban planning smh.
Ye this is one of the few cool things I remember from my probability course 
Though I don't remember what P and Q were in that case
Bruh
Didn't know urban planning was based
P = is there a person, Q = is named mirza
not exactly a proofing technique but yeah
yeah it's full for graphs and you have to
about it
rip
As the count of numbers go to infinity, percentage of perfect squares go to zero.
Does it mean there are statistically 0% of perfect squares in real numbers?
Wait did I explain that right?
Well any set of rational numbers is going to have measure 0 in the reals; among the naturals, perfect squares appear with probability 0 asymptotically
WHO MOLDI? YOU JUST ADMIT IT RIGHT HERE. SHAMELESS.
nG if I take a measure supported on the perfect squares...
why is it shameless to share bedroom with my brother 
I mean I would be ashamed if I shared a bedroom with my brother.
what happens when you want to being someone over for, you know, "chess"
I have many problems, that is not one of them
After 19 years, I still do 😔.
I just looked at the 3x+1 problem and saw that there are semiloops that leads to a closed loop. There are certain numbers that have a straight path to the 4,2,1 loop.
Is the 3x + 1 problem the one where you try to compute 3x + 1 for various values of x

Yesss
Or you start with a number, if it's odd you multiply by three and add one. If its even you divide it
And if you continue you will end up in a loop
4,2,1

you missed the joke bud
anyway, this is... incredibly well-known
like its the first thing you notice when you plug in numbers
umm yeah you did. nope. I am a statis-thiest now.
the second thing you notice is that powers of 2 trivially collapse to 1
Thank you ❤️ I've started bits of it
Yes this is it.
Anyway @neat lintel a basic problem relating to the 3x+1 is to prove that all positive numbers end up in the 4,2,1 loop. So try working on that for a bit.
Hard problem, I'll have to learn multiplication first.
Yeah I was just trying to figure out which numbers leads to power of 2 numbers. And then which leads to those and so on. Probably nothing new, just want try it out.
wow, that is cool. you should talk with @velvet dagger about this, he is an expert in this problem.
Have fun! Be sure to regularly tell us about your progress.
yeah keep us posted with every number you plug in
really curious what happens to 314988813240956423
wow, that is cool. you should talk with @velvet dagger about this, he is an expert in this problem.
I heard @velvet dagger is an expert in arithmetic, can anyone else confirm?
still here just learning set and group theory
someone finally answered my question on math stackexchange after I asked it on July 21st
god bless
post question
Damn that's a detailed respobse
i'm more curious if one can generalize 3x + 1
like idunno
in finite fields or something
There have been a few people coming in and talking about it
send help
i mentioned it because someone did just a few minutes ago
so it's kinda of like a domino effect
Why is everyone a computational algebraic geometer now
I just want to compare knot invariants
Is resident collatz crank #562 still here?
someone should stage an intervention to get these ppl the help that they clearly need

Imagine being computational anything
this tbh
I spent weeks coding up this nice algorithm to compute an invariant for 2-knots in 4-space, but I can't easily compare them without making a groebner basis
Hmm when does a space $X$ have a simply connected covering? I've heard that the space must be path connected, locally path connected and semilocally path connected, but isn't semilocally path connected enough? Like if you have a covering $p: \tilde{X} \to X$ then every $x \in X$ has a nbh $U$ that is evenly covered by $p$. Each loop in $U$ lifts to a loop in $\tilde{U}$. Now if $pi_1(\tilde{X}) = 0$, then this lifted loop is nullhomotopic in $\tilde{X}$. So now just "project" this loop down to $U$ and this loop is now nullhomotpic in $X$. So if we want that $pi_1(\tilde{X}) = 0$, then the semilocally path connected criterion is only needed, right?
Tokidoki ✓
oh wow I acrtually saw this question, was thinking about answering it; then realised I deleted sage from my laptop because it was taking up too much space - booted up macaulay2, and I think it was giving the same outputs, but then just gave up because at the end of the day im very not confident in my algebra skills anyway
after studying topology for 2 weeks I can almost understand this
sorry, let me ask this in the appropriate channel lmao
same, that's why I asked* it lol
I die a little inside every time I read "path connected, locally path connected, and semilocally path connected"
yeah cant we all just say "nice enough spaces have universal covers" 😢
thats the one unfortunate thing about math, the nicer something is to work with, the worse its name is
the awful thing is that none of these properties imply each other
who's the first person that calculated pi_1(S^1)?
me 😎
@thorn brook how does hatcher prove it
yeah he does
I mean that he proves that pi_1(S¹) = Z
does he do the winding number and lifting shit?
He uses covers I believe
ah
wait sorry
Rotman proves the fundmental theorem of algebra from pi_1(S^1)=Z
yeah I think that he does this
the computation is just an explicit computation with covers and winding number
maybe if I had learned about covers it would've been a bit simpler
hurewicz 
like this just looks so convoluted without that notion
I understood the proof completely but I could not replicate it for the life of me
also the notion of liftings kinda came out of nowhere
but uh, I guess that's done with
I think he talks about covers in the future
so it'll probably make more sense then
You can also prove this with deck transformations I think, but it's essentially the same idea with covers I think
yea same proof
I haven't done complex anal yet so the winding number analogy went completely over my head
there's a more elegant proof that uses more category theory but
but it wasn't really needed for the proof
that's silly
lmao
hurewicz is the best proof
lol
using like the van Kampen thing for fundamental groupoids?
yea
if you know how to compute pushouts of groupoids it's immediate lol
- prove Van Kampen
yeah that's completely over my head lmao, i'm not that cat brained yet
well that's done with, onto homology!
lol

ye he does the fundamental group and then jumps to homology for the next chapter
compute π_1 of a genus g surface with n punctures
I'd rather not tyvm
you should probably do this before moving onto homology
railed
number of donut holes
Hatcher doesn't define that either lmao
I guess once you get to Van Kampen it's a good example to do
dw he has a lot of exercises i'm sure he's building up to that kind of stuff
like his exercises are usually very constructive in how they lead you to discover the smaller results for yourself
so does munkres
I tried munkres AT but it was just sooo dry
oh yeah lmao, I completely forgot about Munkres
ah it does?
sorry, he uses it to prove that every polynomial equation has at least one root
Munkres has so many nice figures tho
I love flipping through random books and looking at diagrams without any context
I can't even remember what book this was from
lmao
yea ok rotman teases that we're gonna see coverings and generalise the computations of the fund. group
knot theory gang
pog
how is knot theory? Is it interesting and fun or is AT "better"?
idk about AT but so far knot theory seems interesting
I can share the playlist I've been watching
oh yeah sure
knot theory uses a lot of algebraic topology
like the fundamental group of the knot compliment as an invariant
Thank you!
I don't expect to understand everything but at least it may give me a basic introduction to topology
the alexander polynomial is super cool because it's secretly the first homology group of the infinite cyclic cover of the knot compliment
idk
it is, yeah
oh
knot theory sounds super cool tbh
I understood the first of 11 lectures so I guess we'll see how far I get before being like "yeah idk what this means" lmao
what's your background gmod
the knot theory book by lickorish heavily leans on AT
is that a real last name
I know calculus, some linear algebra, discrete math, set theory, real analysis
it sounds like a stripper name
lickorish
yes lol
the lickorish book dedicates an entire chapter to covering spaces
and that chapter is from a general topological perspective, not specific to knots
this is the "full" way to define the alexander polynomial
even though it's equivalent to what (I'm assuming) the video covers
btw does anyone have a good number theory playlist? I've done an intro to it but at a basic level
a link is just a bunch of disjoint knots
so like this is a link with two components
my brain when I wake up
oh okay I see
what a cute arrow in the middle
I made that two years ago and i'm not gonna change it lol
You absolute amateur
LOL
The lines are meant to be fixed width
hush
sounds like hell
what's worse is this, because at least there's a tikz package for making knots
but idk how to make this other than stealing the diagram from a paper
Just make this in illustrator
Just grab some rope and get to work
Or get a drawing tablet
are tablet drawings allowed in math papers
idk consult the international organization on mathematical papers
I can buy a drawing tablet, but I can't buy drawing skills lmao
you can buy a person with drawing skills
Out of interest (I have no knowledge of knots) is this well-defined?
commission a knot diagram 
Because at first glance I don't see why it would be
because of stuff like this
oh wait that's aribtrary
yeah you can get different knots when you take different different splices
but if both knots are oriented, then iirc, the connected sum with a consistent orientation is unique
why care about knots tho
there has to be more to knot theory than distinguishing knots
Iirc the study of knots is really related to the study of 3 manifolds
yeah
my summer undergrad research, for example, involves taking the idea of heegaard splittings, which is a way of decomposing 3-manifolds, into a way of decomposing 2-knots in 4-space
I think the biggest question in knot theory is distinguishing knots though
decomposing 3 manifolds?
Cause I mean, classifying things is a big part of math
decompose how
i get that and i enjoy it too
but it often makes me think about its uses
I'm not too familiar with the manifold side of these splittings
the idea is that if we can use these general topological techniques to study knots, maybe we can use some techniques used to study knots on more general manifolds
my work in particular is trying to apply these techniques one dimension higher
are there generalizations of knots?
Yes
i wouldnt be able to visualize
instead of an embedding $S^1\to S^3$, you can embed $S^2\to S^4$, or generally $S^n\to S^{n+2}$
cgodfrey
holy mackarel
Also nice I don’t know of too many people working on higher knot theory
the trouble is we only know how to properly analyze and work with tiny subsets of these higher knots
there's spun knots, where you take a one-dimensional knot and 'spin' it into the fourth dimension
but they aren't particularly interesting since their fundamental group is isomorphic to the fundamental group of the original knot
how unabashwd do you need to be to study that
Idk this is pretty natural to study
its like your admitting to being better at visualizing than anyone else
Any favorite results?
I think the work my group did is really exciting because it allows us to represent 2-knots as a triplet of three braid words, and we can calculate the alexander ideal for these knots
and we can generate arbitrary new knots by generating new triplets of braid words
It’s not as wild as it sounds, seeing as most techniques for dealing with 4 manifolds and embedded surfaces make heavy use of knots and 3-manifold topology in the first place
Oh nice
the idea is sort of like this, you take these three slices of the knot to get three diagrams
Trisections?
and those three diagrams contain enough crossing data to recover the original knot
and you can make a bijection between a given diagram and a braid word
idk what a braid word is
Ah fun
oh wait
I’ve heard a lot about trisections since I’m in the department where they were founded lol
i remember looking up braided something on wikipedia
So I get to hear about these all the time from the topology students
braid groups
a braid is a sort of generalization of a knot
braid word is a way to encode the crossings in the braid
this 3 list of numbers encodes the 2-knot equivalent of the trefoil knot
I was trying to understand those list of numbers but honestly i dont know how
so '4', for example, means that strand 4 crosses over strand 5
this picture
would be [2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 4, 5, 6, 7]
reading top-to-bottom
if we can finish one last hiccup, we could even start a website like https://knotinfo.math.indiana.edu/
and catagorize 2-knots
Does this question actually make sense? Or is it gibberish
yes
Cause I saw a similar one recently, and someone here was complaining about how it was nonsense
its incorrectly stated
theres a typo in the universal coefficient theorem
and its a somewhat... unusual question
like this is a very contrived scenario that woudlnt emerge naturally even if you fix the typos
but its valid enough if you fix the small errors
or make good-faith interpretations
just gives the vibe of being kinda copy-pasted from wikipedia rather than an actual problem
I see
is natural ring extension same as endomorphism thingy
where you take multiplication to be the composition of endomorphisms?
i find it kinda funny that theres so much hype about 1-knots, but (to the outside), not as much hype about 2-knots
like, I every now and then try and find a table of just... drawings of 2-knots, but I'm never able to (you can still draw them in 3space, just with some intersections like other surfaces only embeddable in R^4 like klein bottle) just a random thought when looking at the discussion way above about something something knots
i think the diophantine equation ones are the only ones in the spirit of facebook problems
since they actually look approachable
Oh is that the Riemann hypothesis?
yes
Lmao
Oh my
5 bananas , 5 apples and 6 watermelons including the ones after "how many..."
where's my fields medal
tbh just
🍌 🍌🍌 +🍇🍇🍇 = 🍎🍎🍎
would do
well done!
@whole copper this is one way to 'see' a 2-knot by looking at cross sections of it
yeah, so Ive seen the 'fox diagram' representations
0 0 0
where you do a morse thoeretic kind of drawing and take a middle slice, where all the hyperbolic points are
also that one is known to be unsolvable in general
the above diophantine equation does not have a known solution but is almost certainly solvable
but still.. I wonder why theres no "actual drawings" out there, given that 1) its possible 2) itd be kinda interesting
fermat btfo'd
(e.g., https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/35271885.pdf)
The problem I have with these slice drawings is that you can usually just never tell what the surface even is... like in table 1, if you look at the simple examples,... idk if my geometric imagination is really bad or something, but I have a hard time even figuring out what they are supposed to be lol
the other thing is; I almost have a memory of seeiing such drawings of 2-knots before, I just cant remember from where. Like drawings in 3-space with intersections, the intersections look like circles, and you have to specify additional data about "which way in the 4-th dimension" each of the surfaces that intersect go
lol that picture does not even define pineapple in the relevant strip.
pineapple is the integral, for real part > 1, the reflection formula below defines it for real part < 0
the question is about what happens when real part is in (0,1).
Something something Analytic continuation
yes I know, my point was just that meme as written doesn't make sense lol.
Gonna have to go with moldi on this one
I agree with Moldi here.

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Neat
Wants to sell you some food
I love how I posted 1 emoji and he straight up calls me
Probably because he learnt you use light mode
The Ronald doesn't hire light mode users
show him the burgir you bought from bk
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Bro everything I think of in math research has already been done :(
think more
just be a crank and make up a thought experiment
whats the purpose of this
this is some modern art type shit or sth
aliens
balloon
Ha, I've actually tried this one once (as in, like, a week ago). It's not an elliptic curve problem because it's not projective; I tried reducing it to an elliptic curve in order to solve it but that didn't work.
Can you reduce it to a problem involving rational/integral points on some curve, not necessarily an elliptic curve?
I haven't had much luck doing that, but maybe there's some really weird transformation that I just haven't thought of yet.
The issue wasn't that I couldn't get an elliptic curve out of it, that was easy; it's that once I got rational solutions to this equation I couldn't find an easy way to turn them into integral solutions.
(Set 🍎=5 and we get a nice elliptic curve of rank 1)
Ah nice.
If we take 🍉 as a constant we can get some quadratic forms, but it's been long enough since I've read Topology of Numbers that I've forgotten lots of the useful theory there.
Yea I just can’t see how to reduce this to anything other than finding rational points on infinitely many a priori different curves
Rational points on surfaces is kind of a mess
So I've heard.
Wonder what the Brauer Manin obstruction to this surface is
Ay. I've read half of Topology of Numbers. Its fun
@deep mango what do you think about doing a small loop trick for the input channels
why is the first iso thm sticker called discussions greatest moment
Also ryc should the lower bounds begin when abs(I+F+O)>pm as well
I have no idea what that means
Well
Ok
I kind of do
Does that help at all
The reason the small filter thing works is because the accesses to the filter are coupled between two loop indices
So when you divide, you undo the coupling
Ask mirza
Hmmmm
Namington seething that ange understands first iso theorem better than him
Ok maybe not then
I'm not sure
This is true
What is the benefit of doing this
It doesnt change the array access pattern
Does it
Isnt i2 already only appearing as i2 in the loops, not scaled or added or anything else or anything
This is true
And I thought the point of blocking is to block it just like that
Ok it's useless then
Where we optimize over param
Well
It won't change the lower bounds is all I'm saying
Sure
All it does is add another s_I + s_F ≥ 1 or something
From Gamelin?
Oh ok
From what I can see on my prelims they stop asking anything schwartz christoffelly after 2010
I need to review conformal mappings
And then they're all like
I still can't integrate branch cuts
Weirdly placed half strips and stuff

I don't, all they do is make me suffer
The main ones I don't know how to do are these:
$\int_0^1 \frac{dx}{\sqrt{x(1-x)}}$
Lol
ryc #MiuArmy
Dat jacobi elliptic function though.
Don't you do a contour that loops around [0,1]?
conformal mappings are fun, as long as you dont need to write one down 
Something something dumbell contour, something residue at infinity
You have residues at 0 and 1
I don't know how to do that
And a branch cut between them
Where is the residue at infinity?
This is how gamelin said to do it
Mobius transformations are conformal and they're super easy to write! 😄
I see
Loop around it, send the loop to width 0
Mobius transformations are fine
Just like
Pick 3 points
And then solve for the coefficients
Everything else though
They aren't?
They're at branches
Someone should help me in questions 3. I'm a dummy. 😦
How miserable
Stick to one channel and don't post the same question in multiple channels. Please don't ask for help in other channels if no one is responding in the one you have posted your question in.
I have precious limited time with service
Fair.
Are you traveling
Branch cuts and WKB theory 
Are you already in Barcelona?
I will be in Barcelona on Friday
Sure
Assuming no disasters
Which is a terrible assumption at this point
Seems like covid is quite bad there right now
So I will be very careful
Oh my
There is a curfew
But
It's only from like 1am to 6am
Fortunately I am not a party animal
That's quite a weak curfew
Yeah
I guess Barcelona is a night city
It's a bit of both
Do you want me to include you in the convo with Grace on attainability?
Or
Not attainability
Experiments
I will message with Grace on slack about how we're going to run experiments to measure comm vol
Oh, either way. I won't have any useful input on something like that.
Absolutely not 

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