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edgy atlas
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I've noticed that rote memorizing the setup at least is really helping me learn some proofs

static loom
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I don't believe in rules

crystal stone
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I had to do this when I first learned proofs

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The prof was teaching calculus, and half the exam were proofs

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Like "prove the chain rule"

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etc.

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And it was my first calculus class, the only way I was able to get by was to just rote memorize through. I tried to just "go for an understanding" on the first 3 tests

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and failed

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Then I just fucking grinded for the last 2 tests, and got an A

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He looked at me said "I'll give you a B and we'll call it even"

edgy atlas
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that's awesome 😁 ironic though because calculus was the first math that was intuitive for me

crystal stone
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I mean

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When you have to do epsilon deltas

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And you barely know how to compute limits

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And you're learning integrals, derivatives, and limits

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all at the same time

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Tell me how that goes

edgy atlas
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Oh i see. Yeah i had already taken calculus beforehand, i just retook calc i and ii in college bc my highschool advisor told me "you should take it there bc it might be way harder in college!"

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It was not

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Lol

crystal stone
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I signed up for "Calculus 1 & 2 Honors"

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At my local CC

edgy atlas
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And obviously in highschool you have more time to actually understand things

crystal stone
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I thought it would be you know do some calc 1, then calc 2

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maybe some hard problems

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Nope, it was prove everything in calc 1

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Do calc 2

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Then prove everything in calc 2

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In one semester

edgy atlas
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jeez man

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i don't think i did any proofs even in my calc ii clas

crystal stone
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Tests were 25 questions, about 12-13 computation problems

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Limits, derivatives, integrals

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And the other 12-13 were proofs

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You had 75 minutes/per test

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So roughly 3 minutes a problem

edgy atlas
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That's horrible

crystal stone
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Each problem was 4 points

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So the hard questions were worth the same as the easy questions

edgy atlas
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That's absurd

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Makes sense why you learned it by rote

crystal stone
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It was good, you get really good at test taking strategies lol

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There was no time to think

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You just had to do it

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The prof was good, I had him for calc 1&2H, Calc 3H, Linear algebra & differential equaitons H, discrete math, and calc on manifolds

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Each class had a fuck ton of proofs

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You just had to learn them by heart, eventually after 1 or 2 classes with him

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I learned how to "intuit" a lot of the proofs

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For the calc on manifolds exam 1 we had covered 50 types of theorems/proofs and they were pretty simple other than a couple hard ones

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So maybe 3-4 ones where you commit to memory, and then the rest you could problem solve

untold sapphire
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i think that it can be hard to keep an entire proof in working memory sometimes, together with recalling what the symbols denote, what each function does, doing all the mental type checking at the ground level needed to understand the proof at a higher level. in this sense i think the rote memorization can at least keep you help track of the key constructions in the proof. there's also the problem that if you don't engage with something enough you may just forget it immediately, especially if it's very novel and you don't have a lot of nearby things to connect it to

fallen delta
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I can see why there is discussion 2

narrow rock
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it's so fucking hot over here screams

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it feels like it's 85

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at 10pm

nimble shuttle
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emotions

leaden torrent
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get an ice pack

deep mango
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85 is cool cucumbers

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🥒

atomic cypress
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I have never remembered a single equation in my life, I just write down the correct answers

deep mango
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i am the equation

cold needle
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85 is so chill

toxic schooner
deep mango
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85 C bakery 😌

pale orchid
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,w 85 f to c

fathom swallowBOT
pale orchid
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oof that's super hot

bold ferry
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its not super hot

pale orchid
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yes it is haha

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people die of heatstroke at that temp here

bold ferry
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haha
whats an average temperature around where u live

pale orchid
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like 17

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idk

bold ferry
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its 20. something C here

pale orchid
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anything above 17 gets yucky if it's sunny

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and people don't have AC here, only some stores and some hotels do

bold ferry
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temperature here

pale orchid
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that's a toasty may

bold ferry
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so temperature there is lower so i imagine 28 isnt going to feel good

narrow rock
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28 during the day is bad

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28 at night is horrible

pale orchid
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yes

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those days when it's also humid and there is no wind

narrow rock
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this is the weather forecast for tomorrow

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wonderful

bold ferry
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no idea how much they are in C

narrow rock
toxic schooner
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temp here is kinda low now, thanks to rain

bold ferry
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this is here

temp_here.png
toxic schooner
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which website?

bold ferry
narrow rock
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low twenties at night is fine

toxic schooner
neat lintel
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Can animals be people too?

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If animals have their own society

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Can they call these animals people too?

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I know this is a random not serious question.

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But I like to see where this question goes to.

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On what conclusion its land.

timid spindle
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ummm

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not the brightest

neat lintel
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To me person means a human

neat lintel
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Lol

left pagoda
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i need a real quick refresher on the exp function for complex numbers, what does exp(z) do to a number again if z is some arbitrary complex number?

scenic narwhal
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Plugs it into the Taylor series that defines exp

left pagoda
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was it rotating the phase and stretch the arg?

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or was that multiplying complex numbers

scenic narwhal
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Sounds like it stare though there's also geometric interpretations of exp

left pagoda
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oh that would be good

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got this from wolfram alpha

unknown.png
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i think i can see what it does

scenic narwhal
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exp(a+bi) = exp(a)exp(bi). The first factor decides the magnitude, the second factor decides the argument (Euler's formula)

left pagoda
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gotcha thanks!

scenic narwhal
neat lintel
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moldiking

left pagoda
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and if we made the complex map bigger, we would get a full circle right?

scenic narwhal
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Complex map?

left pagoda
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if we mapped a larger section

scenic narwhal
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Ah yeah if you extended it vertically

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Going up 2π units does a full circle

left pagoda
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good, wanted to make sure i had a proper understanding of how the periodicity of exp works for mapping

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(and not just algebraically)

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moving into complex logarithms now for exam prep, this will be fun 😄

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argument is the same thing i called "phase" earlier right?
(so basically an angle)

scenic narwhal
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Yeah

left pagoda
deep mango
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Milky chocci sully

bronze pelican
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@modest rune @narrow rock I'm ripping my fingers bouldering

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Like the skin

latent forge
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Quick, whats number of ways to roll x as a sum of y, z-sided dice?

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I think ive mastered these types of problems

narrow rock
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stop or use some tape if it's a small rip

modest rune
latent forge
blazing pawn
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Uh eth zurich

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Idk if thats lesser known

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Lol

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Well I'm not sure what exactly 'less well known" means or in what context

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I think "elite" and "unknown in the academic sphere" are somewhat contradictory

deep mango
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Turns out academic people are not all that stupid

neat lintel
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U of bonn must be good right? Schultz went there

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Certainly sounds like it fits the bill "student quality"

blazing pawn
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I wouldn't say that's not well known by people who would be aware of ETH Zurich

deep mango
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I know eth zurich and not that

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Your claim has a 0% success rate

sharp mulch
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I know about ETH Zurich

velvet dagger
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When you're comparing you need to decide what you're comparing on

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e.g. universities with the top research?

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Universities with the best students? The universities that do the best job at taking their students and bringing them up to a high level? etc

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Because some universities can be good at only a subset of these criteria

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Yeah in that case the best universities at other countries probably do a much better job at competing with American unis. Like at a research/graduate level I would wager the only European ones which seem to compete with the tippity top in America are Oxbridge, Bonn, ETH Zurich, maybe ENS??????

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Also probably some Russian schools

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But in terms of undergrad students I'd def toss in Poly

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Since my impression is they're fucking good

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Yeah

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I feel like the only good ones I know in France are ENS and Poly

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UK might have a few other contenders for undergrad level but I think only Oxbridge really compares to absolute best in America. Probably UCL comes close

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Like hmm

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If I had to pick a top 10 in America right now

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The obvious ones are Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, Chicago, MIT, Yale, Columbia, Penn

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Let's say top 8

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I think those are definitely the top 8 in some order

whole copper
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Berkeley: :'(

velvet dagger
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Berkeley I think shines more for grad

whole copper
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I think the programs with the most stringent conditions are like CS programs or something lol

velvet dagger
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Uh I think most of the programs at these top schools are quite good relative to the field

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And the thing is some places have requirements to get in the major, others don't

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washingbear he's asking about majors in particular

whole copper
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What makes it so much better?

velvet dagger
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But yeah my point is e.g. at Berkeley you have to apply to the CS major and it might even be competitive

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But maybe at Stanford anyone who wants to major in CS can do so even though Stanford's CS is as good as Berkeley's

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And as far as like, "quality of teaching" goes

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Well that's the thing jealous

whole copper
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In undergrad probably, in grad probably not

velvet dagger
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In a lot of tippity top schools, you can just declare your major and it's not a competitive process

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Once you're in Harvard you can just decide what you wanna major in

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The hard part isn't getting your major, it's just getting in the school

whole copper
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Too many CS hopefuls at berkeley :-(

velvet dagger
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Yeah Berkeley is a definite exception here

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But yeah I don't think for undergrad it makes a whole lot of sense to compare programs

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Because sometimes one is competitive but another is "better"

whole copper
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It seems mostly that the undergrad curriculums are isomorphic

velvet dagger
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e.g. I think UChicago is actually the best place in America to be a math major

whole copper
velvet dagger
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Not because it's more competitive, it's possible the average math major at Harvard is stronger than the average math major at UChicago

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But I know how the programs are like because I looked into the stuff a bit when I was applying

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UChicago is the perfect place for getting you from "I don't know calculus or what a proof is" to "I'm graduate level"

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Because it has the Honors Calculus and Honors Analysis classes

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So you can start off not knowing what a derivative is, take honors calculus first year, honors analysis second year

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And now you're basically an analysis grad student

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If I was at Berkeley it would've taken me 2 years to get to proof-based math

whole copper
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Well i dunno, berkeley is pretty liberal when it comes to doing whatever courses you want in whatever order you feel is best

velvet dagger
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Sure but I mean like

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At Berkeley I would've placed in their Math 1A or whatever it's called

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1B at best

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Since my high school math was weaker than AP Calculus

neat lintel
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I took Math 110 (upper-division proof-based linear algebra) during sophomore year at UC Berkeley in 2018; the math department doesn't really enforce prerequisites

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You just have to insist sometimes

whole copper
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Yeah i had no formal calculus during high school, but just never took 1a1b and it all worked out somehow, its weird lol

odd narwhal
velvet dagger
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While at Chicago they let you take honors calculus even if you don't have background in calc, covers most of Spivak

whole copper
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Yeah for CS its pretty stringent

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I dont know, but its also different if you wanted to apply to EECS or not

neat lintel
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What do you mean? Well if you go to Berkeleytime.com you can see grade distributions for all the different courses, which tend to be graded on a curve but not always

whole copper
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I was meaning the GPA cutoff to declare a CS major

neat lintel
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It's designed so that typically 20% of a given lecture section gets A's

whole copper
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If i remember its something wonky like 3.7/4... Might have remmebered that wrong though

cinder zephyr
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it'll probably be that high @whole copper

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here at UIUC you need a 3.67 cumulative

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and As in CS courses and also they do a portfolio review

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EECS at Berk gotta be at least that high of a GPA

whole copper
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CS too popular smh

velvet dagger
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Kinda makes sense lol

cinder zephyr
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ya but I mean it's one of the best CS schools so that makes sense

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and it's a well paying major

velvet dagger
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It's probably the smartest major to pick for those who are into STEM

neat lintel
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Well at Berkeley, there's CS (in the college of Letters & Science) and then there's the more prestigious EECS; all I know is that you need a 3.3 GPA in the CS61 series (from A-C) to be eligible to declare the EECS major, and there may be other requirements as well

whole copper
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They are doing this whole thing setting up data science major, data science college, data science buuldings... Just because mostly a lot of people just want to do data science and no care abt things like compilers, OS, blah

odd narwhal
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Imagine being into STE

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Couldn't be me

neat lintel
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Yeah heh data science is the newest major at Berkeley I think; there's a lot of hype over it

cinder zephyr
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too many business students learning there's more to life than excel 😩

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like pandas and sql 🤡

whole copper
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I had my mind blown realising u can write like VSbasic.. Or some flavor of C or something... Inside excel - i always just thought it was a table

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Vba i mean

neat lintel
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Excel is Turing-Complete JessicaSermon

whole copper
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Too stronk

velvet dagger
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@neat lintel not how it works

neat lintel
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The HAAS school of business at Berkeley is the worst; they get the nicest lecture rooms too, meanwhile Evans is super old and haunted by the unabomber and whatnot

velvet dagger
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Once you're in they don't look at your SATs anymore

blazing pawn
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enforcing prereqs

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:judgement:

velvet dagger
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So your SAT is only really about getting accepted to the university

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Rather than getting accepted into the major

blazing pawn
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the SAT is also not really an entrance exam in the traditional sense

velvet dagger
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You can't do the comparison you're trying to do here

neat lintel
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Ya no one cares about SAT after you get in; I've never heard of them using SAT scores to clear entry to a particular major at Cal or any of the other UCs, AFAIK

whole copper
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My math sat mark was bad because i made mistakes calculating perimeters of rectangles or something lol

blazing pawn
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plenty of schools in the US dont even require you to declare a major

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before you apply

neat lintel
velvet dagger
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Sometimes there are no cutoffs

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Like you apply to the university and you start the university undeclared

whole copper
velvet dagger
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Some universities will then say

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Well if you wanna major in X you have to apply and it's a competitive process

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Other times nah

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You just declare the major

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And it's automatic

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Whether this happens or not isn't even based on quality

neat lintel
blazing pawn
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Wow chapter 5 of AM is so much more motivated

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after some AG

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i actually care about these results now nozoomi

tropic hornet
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Hi

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R rankings a good idea to tell how strong a school is for math bc usnwr ranks Caltech& CMU low

whole copper
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Yolo it

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It depends on what youre interested in i guess, but i guess thats not an easy question

latent forge
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Just go to their website and look at their courses

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Its the best method

slim meadow
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Yeah, CMU is really really strong in some areas like combinatorics and theoretical CS, but don't have much of anything else from what I've seen

blazing pawn
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Are they asking about undergrad or grad

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sounds like the former

latent forge
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undergrad

neat lintel
latent forge
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its the same method, just check their courses

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if they lack basic undergrad courses then its probably not best for math

whole copper
blazing pawn
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Why are berkeley people always coping in discussion 2

whole copper
blazing pawn
neat lintel
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Because we are under a lot of pressure LaughingJessica

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And I'm not coping you jerk

blazing pawn
latent forge
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You could say he is telesCOPING

whole copper
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Nada

neat lintel
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Berkeley's actually not so bad; you just need to stay consistent

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I think I'd prefer it to quarter system UCs

odd narwhal
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quarter system

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gross

neat lintel
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You have more time to learn the course that way; I actually bombed the 2nd midterm in one of my core courses then set the curve on the final; it was my first semester and probs wouldn't have had the time to acclimate if it were the quarter system

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Yeah agreed

blazing pawn
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quarter system sounds cute

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particularly for humanities courses

latent forge
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🔥

blazing pawn
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Going up theorem moment

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Why did no one tell me this was just geometry in disguise

slim meadow
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Pls explain

blazing pawn
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it literally just means the induced map on spec is closed

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going down means that finite presentation -> induced map is open

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wtf

slim meadow
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O yea that's pretty neat

blazing pawn
cinder zephyr
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Question about REUs in regards to grad school apps
If I do research at my university through a school year, is that as good as going to an REU? Cause if so I'd rather earn money to cover college costs at an internship in the summer.

latent forge
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Based on purely opinion. How did you get this. I always wanting to do research during school year

cinder zephyr
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emailing profs

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I mean it's not guarenteed

whole copper
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it all just depends on what you get up to during your time doing research lol

cinder zephyr
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but the prof wants to call me and talk

cinder zephyr
latent forge
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I wonder if it would be possible for me to get this in my spring sem

whole copper
latent forge
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Most REUs produce papers

whole copper
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or yea, a lot ask for writeups

cinder zephyr
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I mean I'm calling him on the 2nd for something regarding this fall

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praying it goes through

latent forge
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What subject?

cinder zephyr
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Game Theory

latent forge
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👏

cinder zephyr
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ye it's a good intersection of my current interests

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Math, CS, Security

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so I really really hope I can get something

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but yea if I do that rather than an REU am I at a disadvantage in any way when applying to grad school?

latent forge
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I dont know but probably?

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Just do both?

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I dont want to have any accountability here

cinder zephyr
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Well duh that's the best option in terms of research experience

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however

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doing an internship again this coming summer would be nice in term of $$$ for college

latent forge
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How much money do you get?

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I never did internship

cinder zephyr
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software internships can pay like $30+ an hour

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if I go for quant firms and somehow make it into one I'm looking at like almost $90 an hour

latent forge
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Oh man, that is very nice. You can make $90 an hour internships?

cinder zephyr
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they're really fucking hard to get but yes they exist

latent forge
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I am inspired. I dont think I would mind losing sleep to get that much money.

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5 hours a day isnt too far off from 7.

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40 hour work week to 80

slim meadow
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I think it's hard to say how different admission committees look at these things

cinder zephyr
slim meadow
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REUs do end up getting papers, and I think it's harder to get a paper during research during the year because you have to balance the research with taking classes and other activities

cinder zephyr
slim meadow
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Whereas in an REU you can devote all your time to the research

cinder zephyr
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yea

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oh good point

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yea letter of rec from multiple places rather than just my university

slim meadow
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Kinda disagree

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REUs are also usually done in groups and so that experience is pretty important too

latent forge
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Can you take REU summer after senior year?

deep mango
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I had an REU with one partner, and an REU on my own (with the advisor)

latent forge
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It would seem pointless, but just for the exp

deep mango
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Eh

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They usually dont want people who graduated

latent forge
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Oh ok. So ill have one more shot at getting into one.

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Never applied in freshman,sophmore year

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Next summer only ):

deep mango
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Well

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It doesnt always look as legit

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Whether or not it's better in practice

latent forge
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You think its possible to get research at surrounding university if your location is hub with many colleges around?

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During schoolyear

deep mango
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Being attached to a federally funded program is very legit sounding

deep mango
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And like

cinder zephyr
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why would you do an REU the summer after senior year

deep mango
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Usually you cant move up the reputation ladder with going to other schools to do work

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In terms of like a better school

cinder zephyr
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what is REU financial support like?

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is it just enough to break even?

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or not even?

deep mango
cinder zephyr
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like accounting for living costs

deep mango
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It was 3500

cinder zephyr
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oh what

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I thought the stipend was to cover housing and food

deep mango
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Some REUs do larger stipends and have you pay for food and living

latent forge
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All this selective admissions talk is depressing. I just wonder how realistic is it to get into professional research or work in company R&D doing mathematics. Im assuming this path can only be achieved after PhD.

deep mango
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Cringe "REUs" (not real math)

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If you're not getting paid, they don't want you

latent forge
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What is formal verification?

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Like recaptchas?

deep mango
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Like

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Proof checking?

cinder zephyr
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formal verification is proving that programs work essentially

latent forge
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Oh makes more sense lol.

cinder zephyr
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so like when programming

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from a formal sense

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test cases do not give 100% reliability

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formal methods do

blazing pawn
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Im pretty sure slim meant what ryc was referring to lol

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lean and shit

latent forge
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Yea

deep mango
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Lean and shit.

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I have no idea what that means moth

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Sprite and codeine?

latent forge
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I dont know if I would enjoy that job

blazing pawn
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No lean the proof checking program

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Language

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whatever

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the thingy kevin buzzard does

cinder zephyr
latent forge
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I was envisioning something vague with logistics is every industry mathematician's job

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Or R&D for products

slim meadow
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Yeah REUs are usually like 5k total

latent forge
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People always say "math is broad, it use is everywhere" but then I have limited examples in my brain.

deep mango
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Well

latent forge
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Are people just good liars or am I bad at detection

deep mango
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The use is like

latent forge
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😔

deep mango
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You become really good at on the fly problem solving and abstract thinking

blazing pawn
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RYC is kill

deep mango
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My cousin who did theoretical physics and math works at bank of america now

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Everyone loves her

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She gets all her work done so quickly

latent forge
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What type of work do you do at that accursed institution?

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What is daily day

deep mango
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Rose up the promotion ladder effectively instantly

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There's one reason why

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She knows how to program and how to think

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Ok thats 2 reasons

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She does basically no work!

cinder zephyr
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Alot of math people go into quantatative finance

deep mango
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She makes programs that do what she has to do

cinder zephyr
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and alot also go into software jobs in general

deep mango
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Which is foreign exchange, which is hard

latent forge
deep mango
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And if she fucks up she losed millions of dollars for BoA

latent forge
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With my osu skills and use of macros/scripts

cinder zephyr
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I mean for lack of a better way to say it, Programming is most of how math is implemented in the real world

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no one does it by hand

latent forge
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Yet they get paid 70k per year

cinder zephyr
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cause why would you?

deep mango
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Exactly

cinder zephyr
deep mango
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So none of these people are doing like

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Ring theory

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What they're doing is applying their efficient problem solving workflow

cinder zephyr
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but the general quantative background makes them very good problem solvers

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yea

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which is what companies are attracted to

blazing pawn
deep mango
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Which basically no one outside math/theoretical phys learns

velvet dagger
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One day I'll apply ring theory to that and revolutionize the industry and make millions

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Just watch

deep mango
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Somehow

latent forge
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Mmk

deep mango
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Ok like

cinder zephyr
blazing pawn
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Ryc i think it is because

deep mango
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People who do CS grad school learn it I guess?

blazing pawn
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Even if you don't enjoy it, the reason math produces so many gems and visionaries is because math is definitively hard, and has the hardest problems known to man, so men who consistently push themselves to solve adverse problems, will attain a generalizable ability to develop creative solutions to problems with ease as oppose to only dealing with the problems of a regular joe life, people who have been through it develop street smarts and learn how to solve street problems, but you can only see so many street problems, there are thousands of math problems in physics engineering and many other disciplines it is pure beauty!

latent forge
latent forge
deep mango
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But even in berkeley CS work very hard and not very smart in undergrad

blazing pawn
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wow ur observational skills are so impressive

latent forge
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Thank you!

cinder zephyr
#

alot of theoretical CS has good pure math backgrounds

#

but like pure math

deep mango
#

Yeah

cinder zephyr
#

theoretical CS is mostly in academia

deep mango
#

Yes

cinder zephyr
#

no one cares about state machines or stuff like that in industry

deep mango
#

I mean people who escape the academia cycle mostly

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Ok well

#

Now you can do TCS for ML

latent forge
deep mango
#

And people care about those results in industry

whole copper
blazing pawn
#

Yes

deep mango
blazing pawn
#

i dont remember who typed it

#

someone here

#

:jesse:

#

I wonder if jesse is still working he hasnt been on all day nozoomi

deep mango
#

Oh you didnt hear moth?

cinder zephyr
#

I mean there are probably some strong theoretical CS arms at top companies

leaden torrent
#

:))

cinder zephyr
#

like MSFT and Google

deep mango
#

Furcon Toronto is today

latent forge
cinder zephyr
#

they both develop programming languages

#

I bet they have some very strong people with theoretical backgrounds

latent forge
#

If these people dont invovle themselves in workspace politics their 9-5 becomes a 9-11 at least and 9-2 atmost.

leaden torrent
#

some parts of industry certainly cares about hardline TCS

#

but mostly like

#

formal verification stuff

cinder zephyr
#

yea

leaden torrent
#

like if youre working with something super sensitive and important, you wanna be fucking sure that it aint gonna fail

cinder zephyr
#

cause verification = reliability which is a direct increase in profits and revenue

nimble shuttle
#

furcon toronto lol

deep mango
#

I'm standing you up bitch! Try catfishing me again, I knew you weren't Daniel Radcliffe!

#

Next time try inviting me to potterhead con. It will be more believable.

leaden torrent
#

algorithmic analysis is also "relevant" insofar as you acknowledge that the only thing that really matters is whether the resulting algorithm is faster/more space efficient/more stable/whatever in practice

#

and so 99% of research isnt directly used by industry

#

but it may build to something useful

deep mango
#

Dont forget that quantum computing is a thing

#

Some places want tcs dorkos for that

whole copper
#

TCS : "constant factors? 1!"

latent forge
deep mango
#

(tbh its mostly us functional analysts though 😌 )

leaden torrent
#

quantum computing is fake news

crystal stream
#

constant factors are all basically 1

latent forge
#

Its 1%'er science.

leaden torrent
#

[[[[[[

deep mango
#

Namington cope.

latent forge
#

Only the highest echelon of society

leaden torrent
#

think about it

#

have you ever seen Donald Trump and a quantum computer in the same room?

#

i rest my case

deep mango
#

Computers will soon run purely on functional analysis, PDEs, and operator algebras.

latent forge
deep mango
#

It means I win.

leaden torrent
#

computers already run on PDEs

#

just very very degenerate PDEs

latent forge
#

It runs on dunking

odd narwhal
#

has anyone made a variant of C called C* yet?

leaden torrent
latent forge
#

D* and yes.

cinder zephyr
#

does anyone here actually work on formal verification?

latent forge
#

fork of D lang

odd narwhal
#

not as funny

leaden torrent
#

mniip knows a bit about it i think?

#

but he doesnt work on it actively no

crystal stream
#

i recall that feynmann did some diff equations for computers

blazing pawn
#

Just invite kevin buzzard

#

Ryc cancelled?

#

Finally

latent forge
#

What does it mean for computer to run on PDE? Computers run on electricity and magnets

whole copper
latent forge
#

what is H

blazing pawn
#

Oh No

whole copper
#

Heez n

nimble shuttle
#

Computers run on electricity and magnent

whole copper
#

Hamiltonian

latent forge
#

heimerdinger's equation

blazing pawn
#

Ryc advisor leaked?

deep mango
#

Appreciate the art, hate the artist.

#

Just like how I love Harry but hate you.

blazing pawn
deep mango
#

For the record

#

Harry potter is dumb

#

Especially the movies

#

But I did enjoy the books as a kid

#

sully sure do now hmmCat

#

When the alt right weaponizes tools of inclusion in order to further oppression, they simply make fools of themselves. Sorry bro, you're NEVER cancelling me.

blazing pawn
#

Elitist ryc...

odd narwhal
#

My immortal >> Harry Potter

blazing pawn
#

I think a lot of the harry potter modern criticism is kinda cringe because its clearly people are just doing it bc jk rowling is a shitty person but there are some very funny critiques of it

deep mango
#

My immortal is pretty good

blazing pawn
deep mango
blazing pawn
#

based usrula k le guin

deep mango
#

Lol

odd narwhal
deep mango
#

I mean

#

Ok

#

Let's be realistic

nimble shuttle
#

ryc you're a millenial right? harry potter is your reading core

odd narwhal
#

It's a masterclass in trolling

deep mango
#

Harry potter was great when I was a kid

#

But it's just not timeless

#

Not in the way that Homestuck is.

latent forge
#

JK Rowling is good writer

whole copper
#

What color is luna lovegoods house

latent forge
#

I really enjoyed her hairy poter series!

deep mango
#

Fine, I'll stop trolling

#

Here is a book I could read over and over and always love it

#

Even though I loved it when I was like 8

whole copper
#

Rudin

latent forge
#

A timeless read is Berserk by Kentaro Miura.

deep mango
#

The Phantom Hourglass

latent forge
#

Or Jujutsu Kaisen by Gege Akutami

#

Banana Fish is also an excellent read

deep mango
#

Phantom Hourglass is just so good and so fun

nimble shuttle
#

i remember reading the golden compass when I was little and enjoying it

#

but I remember exactly 0 details

latent forge
deep mango
#

It's a kid who gets whisked away to a fantasy land and has to do the adventure like usual

#

It's just like

#

Relentlessly clever and fun

latent forge
#

He gets Isekai’d?

deep mango
#

Yes

modest rune
#

oh shit i just remembered

#

i forgot to read my manwhas last night

latent forge
#

Whats difference between Phantom Hourglass and SAO.

deep mango
#

This, but unironically

deep mango
latent forge
#

Sword Art Online

deep mango
#

Well

#

Phantom Hourglass is good, for one

#

And not cringe

latent forge
deep mango
#

Wait

#

Im fucking

nimble shuttle
deep mango
#

So dumb

#

Oh my god

#

Phantom hourglass is the Zelda game

#

(the worst one)

nimble shuttle
#

what were you referring to

deep mango
#

The phantom tollbooth

latent forge
#

Zelda is cringe and mysogynistic

#

Sword art online is the same

nimble shuttle
#

oh yeah

deep mango
latent forge
#

Yoy should read 7Seed Gaiden

#

My favorite story unironically

nimble shuttle
#

i read that in 4th or 5th grade

#

it was good

latent forge
#

Next to 21st Century Boys

deep mango
#

It's an amazing book Jon

latent forge
deep mango
#

Phantom tollbooth is like hitchhikers guide to the galaxy but for kids

#

(btw if you think hitchhikers guide is bad and/or cringe, get out of my sight)

latent forge
#

I never found why hitchhikers guide was loved by people

nimble shuttle
#

the hitchhiker's guide is for kids

deep mango
#

GET OUT OF MY SIGHT

latent forge
deep mango
#

it's not for like

#

little kids

#

but yeah it's basically YA or whatever

latent forge
#

Yes 9th grade reading level.

#

Big kids.

deep mango
blazing pawn
#

Hitchhiker is for annoying people

deep mango
#

Hitchhikers guide is for anyone with a heart.

blazing pawn
#

of all ages

latent forge
#

I dont see the appeal to hitchhikers in my personal opinion. Can you help me see it ryc

deep mango
#

It's just really fun and clever

#

It's like

#

Homestuck but not shit

latent forge
#

I couldnsay same thing about every Mecha in existence

nimble shuttle
#

hm just rediscovered commonsensemedia

#

this is a review for doom lol

latent forge
#

I hate parents and anti gamers

deep mango
#

I feel like ready player one is garbage

#

And people think hitchhikers guide is like ready player one

latent forge
#

Those are the only people who deserve to be discriminated against

deep mango
#

(it's not)

latent forge
deep mango
#

Ready player one is fucking

latent forge
#

But its run of the mill

deep mango
#

Awful

#

And not interesting at all

#

So generic

latent forge
#

Hahahhaha

#

Generic is your critique?

#

Do yoy even watch anime daily?

deep mango
#

Oh it's terribly written

#

And imo has some problematic stuff going on

latent forge
#

Like what

deep mango
#

But anyway

hollow ginkgo
deep mango
#

No I am not thinking more about that awful book

latent forge
#

Oh looked it up

deep mango
#

Hitchhikers guide is constantly and relentlessly fun

#

And it's also like

latent forge
#

Its western media so ofc thats the critique. If isekai went main stream society would be split into socialism and fascism

deep mango
#

People copy Douglas Adams style

#

Because it's so good

#

And they do it poorly

#

That doesnt make Douglas Adams generic

nimble shuttle
#

i love csm

unknown.png
latent forge
#

Lol

deep mango
#

Similar to how Slim thinks Neutral Milk Hotel is the peak of music because it came before other indie rock

latent forge
#

The movie tenet was bad in my opinion

nimble shuttle
#

common sense media

blazing pawn
#

I do not think hitchhiker is all that amazing from what ive seen but ready player 1 is like

#

undoubtedly worse

#

so much worse

vivid halo
#

oh yea absolutely

deep mango
#

Thank you

vivid halo
#

Hitchhikers is good though

deep mango
#

Hitchhiker is like

#

Not art

#

It's like a TV show

vivid halo
#

lol

latent forge
#

They are equally interesting for middle school demographic

#

Unexposed to anime ofc.

vivid halo
#

Hitchhikers is the Infinite Jest of scifi satire

tropic hornet
#

Have any of y’all seen Rick or morty

deep mango
vivid halo
#

not to say that Infinite Jest is necessarily bad

#

it's just like

deep mango
#

I havent read much of infinite jest

vivid halo
#

it is what it is

tropic hornet
#

Like people told me u need to be really knowledgeable in physics and math to understand

odd narwhal
#

Yea you gotta atleast be at like

#

QFT

latent forge
nimble shuttle
#

there's a minimum iq requirement @tropic hornet

deep mango
#

You need to have a very high IQ to appreciate Rick and Morty.

nimble shuttle
#

mandated by adult swim

odd narwhal
#

To get the more sophisticated jokes

latent forge
#

Rick and Morty is funny

nimble shuttle
#

ok enough shitty jokes

latent forge
#

I laugh every episode

odd narwhal
#

How can you even compare rp1 and hitchhikers

#

They are absolutely incomparable

deep mango
#

Rick and Morty is good in the same way hitchhiker is good, it's stupid and fun

latent forge
odd narwhal
#

rp1 is an abomination

latent forge
#

Oh damn

deep mango
#

And people who hate it for being fake smart are being ridiculous

latent forge
#

Do I need to rewatch rp1

odd narwhal
deep mango
#

Yeah

#

That's fine by me

latent forge
deep mango
#

I love stupid but clever

#

Other people hate rick and morty because a lot of the fans are walking reddit

mortal oasis
deep mango
#

Which is understandable

latent forge
#

Making distinction between smart and stupid is very cringe

deep mango
#

But also now the rick and morty haters are the reddit

latent forge
mortal oasis
#

because its true

latent forge
#

Can you give your opinion of why?

mortal oasis
#

voice acting sucks

#

plot lines are unreal tangled

latent forge
#

Watch it in sub?

#

That isnt true for all genres

modest rune
#

anime is bad because every anime ive seen recently has put like $10 into its animation budget because the audience doesn't seem to care

#

im sad

mortal oasis
#

very predictable

latent forge
odd narwhal
#

What a hot take you guys

#

Cartoons are bad

modest rune
#

not /s

latent forge
#

What are you watching?

#

Seasonal anime has been good.

#

Even through corona

modest rune
#

Everything I've seen this season has been bad

#

Jjk was great

latent forge
#

Sonny boy?

mortal oasis
#

I have given it a fair shot its just not my thing

#

tbh

latent forge
#

Aquatope is bad?

modest rune
#

i have not seen sonny boy

blazing pawn
#

JJK was also not that good max ur just coping

modest rune
#

jjk was good

#

ur taste is bad

latent forge
#

Sonny boy is very good

slim meadow
#

Watch odd taxi, it was pretty fun

latent forge
#

Oddtaxi is worth it

blazing pawn
#

Nothing triggers me more than badly directed fight scenes

blazing pawn
modest rune
#

there aren't any bad fight scenes in jjk

latent forge
#

Examples please?

modest rune
#

moth just watches old bad anime

#

we've been over this

blazing pawn
#

this is untrue

latent forge
#

Dont be mean

modest rune
#

moth is afraid of good animation

blazing pawn
#

there are modern shows that I think are good

latent forge
#

vintage has its place

modest rune
#

anything above 10 fps

#

is scary to them

latent forge
#

Boogiepop is my personal favorite

#

I felt so many emotion

modest rune
#

ive also just stopped watching anime

#

bc i enjoy manga and manwha more

blazing pawn
#

ok enjoy watching ur poorly directed fight scenes as all the action stops so the main villain can explain their shitty knockoff superpower

latent forge
#

Read novels

blazing pawn
#

before resuming

modest rune
#

and most animated stuff

#

is so slow

blazing pawn
#

This is true

#

the JJK manga is better than the anime

#

tbh

modest rune
#

thats true of almost every anime

blazing pawn
#

Yes

latent forge
blazing pawn
#

Just watch the good ones

#

Thats literally the opposite of my taste

modest rune
#

i do only watch shonen

blazing pawn
#

But i was also specifically talking to max

modest rune
#

shonen is great

#

0 thoughts

latent forge
blazing pawn
#

and about a shonen

modest rune
#

just fights

#

bc its entertaining to me

#

i dont want like

#

emotional stories

blazing pawn
#

max thinks wicked city has bad animation

latent forge
#

Seinen and Josei are where its at

modest rune
#

or good characters

blazing pawn
#

literal 0/10 opinion haver

modest rune
#

wicked city has outdated and boring animation

#

thats just true

#

on a technical level

blazing pawn
#

I give max's anime taste a 1/10 on MAL

modest rune
#

it is bad compared to modern anime

blazing pawn
#

thats objectively not true

#

u havent even watched it uve seen like a clip on youtube

modest rune
#

i have no idea how you think this is even arguable

latent forge
#

Max what are you smoking

#

Drugs are bad

modest rune
#

Uh

#

I just took an edible

#

like

#

4 minutes ago

#

anyway back to my manwha shonen

latent forge
#

Ill admit Mr Moth is being cringe. But that doesnt give you a right to reciprocate energies

odd narwhal
#

You're all being cringe

modest rune
blazing pawn
#

Who is mr moth

slim meadow
#

Have u read tower of god yet max

blazing pawn
#

I am also not being cringe

modest rune
#

yeah

#

im up to date

slim meadow
#

Oh

#

Btw

modest rune
#

i was so excited when it resumed

latent forge
#

Tower of god is waste of time past 1st season

modest rune
#

garbage take

#

truly terrible

latent forge
#

Im up to date though

slim meadow
#

The Korean raws are 6 chapters ahead of the English translations

modest rune
#

i cannot

#

read korean

latent forge
#

I wouldve pwned rachel

slim meadow
#

There's a discord server where they fan translate them

modest rune
#

lmfao

odd narwhal
#

Damn translation team slacking

modest rune
#

i can wait i think

#

maybe i should just

#

learn korean

latent forge
#

How to fight is best manhwa right now next to orv

modest rune
#

honestly tho

#

like

#

webtoon is so nice

latent forge
#

urbanism is thjrd

modest rune
#

it keeps track of where I am

#

and all that

#

Urbanism?

#

never heard of it

latent forge
#

Webtoon is proprietary garbage

slim meadow
#

Being colored is actually so nice tbh

modest rune
#

what does that even mean

#

its html

#

and like

#

jpgs

latent forge
#

they paywall your experience

modest rune
#

yes

#

they ask me to pay

slim meadow
#

Just their company model

modest rune
#

for content created for me

#

i am happy to do that

#

webtoon is dumb cheap

slim meadow
#

I don't mind that, it's just that their translations are so far behind for tog for example that it gets annoying

modest rune
#

Yeah but like

#

the alternative is that

#

i binge 5 more chapters

#

and am on weekly again

#

so i'm okay to just wait

latent forge
#

Just stick to cool manhwa

modest rune
#

most of the manwha i read

latent forge
#

Manga art is better in general

modest rune
#

is hot garbage

latent forge
#

Same bere

modest rune
#

manga art isn't colored

#

i like colors

latent forge
#

Not all manga

blazing pawn
#

why are u saying manwha

#

its manhwa

#

Smh

modest rune
#

oh whoops

latent forge
#

manhua XD

blazing pawn
#

Max vs korean

latent forge
#

manhua is beyond trash

modest rune
#

i did say i dont speak korean

#

im reading like

#

10 manhwas

#

each about

blazing pawn
#

I dont like the manhwa thing where all the panels float in the white void

modest rune
#

bullies in highschool

blazing pawn
#

I find it super annoying actually

modest rune
#

i wasn't even bullied in highschool

blazing pawn
#

Both because its not pretty and also its hard to read

latent forge
#

Telling someone you read manhua is advertising an IQ of 70

modest rune
#

i mean

#

idk

#

trash tier content

#

is just good sometimes

blazing pawn
#

I hate when like

#

manhwa or webtoons have those super thin super long panels

latent forge
#

Sideways

blazing pawn
#

and u have to fucking scroll up and down

#

to read them

#

Jesus christ

latent forge
#

You didnt know this lol

#

you can turn it sideways comrade

modest rune
#

lmao

#

such a weird thing to get upset about moth

latent forge
#

its meant to be sideways

slim meadow
#

Oh

modest rune
#

just read on a tablet like a chad

blazing pawn
#

I dont own a tablet

#

Smh

modest rune
#

sad!

sharp mulch
#

Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint

blazing pawn
#

Its also aesthetically unpleasing

slim meadow
#

My argument was going to be that the paywalls and being behind on translations fragments the communities into a lot of different parts

latent forge
modest rune
latent forge
#

Nuff said

sharp mulch
#

Lol

slim meadow
#

Depending on where in the paywall they are

blazing pawn
#

manhwa is not made for the human eye a lot of the time which i do not like

#

Paneling is nice and good

latent forge
#

ORV and Overgeared novels are peak human existence

blazing pawn
#

It makes things better

modest rune
#

idk i feel like the argument that

#

i should be able to read manhwa for free

sharp mulch
#

Yes Overgeared is good as well

modest rune
#

just seems

#

objectively wrong

#

like people put a lot of effort into this stuff

#

some of it, anyway

slim meadow
#

I mean I'm not saying that, just that there should be and are better models

blazing pawn
#

Does webtoons actually support them financially

modest rune
#

yes

slim meadow
#

That don't have such drawbacks

blazing pawn
#

Well webtoon clicks

modest rune
#

no

#

webtoon charges per chapter

#

and pays the artist

slim meadow
#

Yeah it's also dubious how much of the fastpass money actually goes to the artist

latent forge
#

The bible shohkd be free is my argument.
/thread

modest rune
#

more than the 0 on other sites lol

#

id be interested to know tho

#

is there a better app zoph

#

that i should be using

slim meadow
#

I've seen sources that say that none of the money goes to the artists and it's only from likes on the chapters that they get their money but idk how valid this was

deep mango
#

I read all of ORV. It was so bad.

modest rune
#

i honestly paid for crunchyroll back in the day soley bc it kept track of where i was

slim meadow
#

Idk I just use tachiyomi

sharp mulch
#

ryc please try to lie more convincingly

deep mango
#

The Ready Player One of ange lit.

modest rune
#

ORV is like

#

no better than ToG

#

but its good

blazing pawn
#

Crunchyroll is really awful

sharp mulch
#

If you thought it was bad you would've dropped it by chapter 200

blazing pawn
#

Both to its translators and as a watcher

modest rune
#

as a watcher its fine

#

no complaints honestly

blazing pawn
#

Fansubs are often a lot better

#

because translators are super overworked and underpaid

modest rune
#

moth i watch shonen

#

the dialogue

#

barely matters

#

but yes it is sad

#

that translators are underpaid

blazing pawn
#

Thats true if you only watch bad shows it doesnt matter if the translations are good opencry

#

But yea speaking unironically like

#

I try to avoid them and their subs just because I dont want to support that practice financially and often times its not very good in small ways

modest rune
#

fair

#

i just like

#

am really too stupid

#

to keep track of what episodes of things

#

i am on

#

or chapters

blazing pawn
#

Woke

#

I solve this problem by just rewatching the same 2-3 shows over and over

#

so i dont even have to remember what episode im on

#

i can start and stop at any point

modest rune
#

i feel like reading manga ruined anime for me

#

because i started to notice like

#

how much stalling there was

#

and just wasted space

blazing pawn
#

The solution is to just not watch things that do that tbh

#

To me its a sign of like lazy shonen adaptations but there are some that are not like that at all

#

both fma adaptations nozoomi

#

03 is better but brotherhood is pretty good too

bronze pelican
modest rune
#

is there like

bronze pelican
#

?

modest rune
#

anything other than fma

#

FMA (2003)

blazing pawn
#

The original fullmetal alchemist

modest rune
#

i assume

bronze pelican
#

Ok

blazing pawn
#

Are u asking specifically for shonen max?

modest rune
#

you know i am