#serious-discussion

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astral marsh
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i dont have any irl instruments rn but

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i can sing ig

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have you ever heard my voice

vast cipher
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i dont think so

astral marsh
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oh i got an actual (starter) mic

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blue snowball

vast cipher
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lol

astral marsh
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its cheap but its a big upgrade from gamer headset lol

vast cipher
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idk why but that name is funny

astral marsh
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its literally a ball on a trpiod

vast cipher
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it almost sounds like innuendo

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what do you sing

astral marsh
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i recommend it tho it's actually pretty good, to my uninitiated non-audiophile ears at any rate

vast cipher
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im not really a singer

astral marsh
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im more interested in it than doing it

vast cipher
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i like to think i can do death metal vocals OK

astral marsh
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lmao nice

vast cipher
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but nothing clean

astral marsh
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i have a pretty decent lower register, which kind of surprises me because i dont think of my voice as deep

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but i suppose it is not un-deepest either or something

vast cipher
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id like to test my low range

astral marsh
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or maybe it's like a difference between the vocal qualities of my speech compared to my singing

vast cipher
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i feel like my voice is low

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but then im older, and i smoked, so it may be altered pretty heavily

astral marsh
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lol

vast cipher
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like your singing voice is centered somewhere else?

astral marsh
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no idk like

vast cipher
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or timbre

astral marsh
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yes other qualities like that

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timbre resonance etc

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i think maybe it's because when i speak it's a lot to acquaintances nowadays since im meeting a lot of new people and so forth since im at this residential program right

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so im hearing a lot of my medium to higher registers

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you pitch your voice up naturally in situations like that

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i think its like i subconsciously associate it with being more approachable

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alright im a bit toned down now but still excited, just not as over-the-top anymore

vast cipher
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weird you say that

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i noticed myself doing that

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a long time ago but still

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i honestly wondered if it had more to do with like

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when i talk in my normal pitch people have a hard time hearing me

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i wonder if its just a natural tuning of the ear to hear speech better in a certain pitch range

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or maybe a mix

astral marsh
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  1. mans hearing DEFO not the greatest lmao 2. i speak in a lower, perhaps more natural? tone with him because of familiarity
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i think my volume is actually fine

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but its a combination of those 2 factors

modest rune
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oh weird

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when i meet people

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i automatically lower my voice

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without thinking

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i only use higher registers with friends

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actually

astral marsh
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Okay so part of it I can explain, informed by my early-mid life experiences

modest rune
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it might be gendered

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i def use a lower voice with like

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men

astral marsh
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Basically I've always been a baby

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The youngest child

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The youngest classmate

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I'm very used to having that sort of social dynamic

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And I guess it just got ingrained in me

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So it feels natural to raise my pitch and like even widen my eyes and it's a ton of mannerisms tbh

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When I'm like talking to someone new or asking a teacher for help or

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stuff like that

vast cipher
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that almost sounds like childlike

blazing pawn
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apparently i sound super gay

vast cipher
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not of you

blazing pawn
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idk if this is true

astral marsh
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Lmao

vast cipher
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just appealing to that like

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you know appealing to that desire to help younger people

modest rune
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i cant imagine moth in any way but super gay

astral marsh
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Oh I mean it's something I learned as a child and young teen right

blazing pawn
modest rune
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if i met moth and they had like

vast cipher
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interesting to think about

modest rune
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a super gruff masc voice

astral marsh
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I mean yeah as I said this is exactly the social dynamic I got used to in my upbringing

modest rune
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id lose my shit

astral marsh
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It's kinda strange because like

vast cipher
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out here i feel like every server and cashier does valley inflection

cold needle
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moth does not have that kind of voice smugsmug that would be horrifying

vast cipher
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idk why that became standard

blazing pawn
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gay gay homosexual gay

astral marsh
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I'm 6' (copium, im probably 5'11.5 but i havent measured in so long lol), medium-thin build, deeper-ish voice naturally

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But then I have these ingrained mannerisms in certain social situations and contexts

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from my previous life experiences

modest rune
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arch taller than me arc

astral marsh
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I also have this really stupid smile lmaoooo

vast cipher
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im v short

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deep voice

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0 smile

astral marsh
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I know exactly what it looks like

modest rune
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i have either a very deep voice

astral marsh
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I can't help it it's just ingrained

modest rune
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or a pretty high pitched voice

vast cipher
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maybe 5 feet tall

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voice centered around like

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3 octaves below middle c

modest rune
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I have a difference set of mannerisms for like

velvet dagger
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I def have the optimal voice pitch

modest rune
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trying to be attractive

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and trying to make friends

astral marsh
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When there's something funny and I smile in laughter it comes out like, I press my lips together and my cheekbones come up a bit and it kinda goes along with the other "baby" mannerisms if you understand

velvet dagger
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Max can confirm if his ears work properly

astral marsh
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It's a weird juxtaposition

modest rune
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Dami has a satisfying voice

vast cipher
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are you overanalyzing your natural smile impulse

velvet dagger
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You just hear my voice and you're like yeah that's what someone's supposed to sound like

vast cipher
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or is that something you learned

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i dont understand

astral marsh
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I might just be overanalyzing it

vast cipher
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most peoples smiles look really strange

velvet dagger
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Oh damn lmfao I was being ironic I hate my voice but I'll take it

astral marsh
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lol

modest rune
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Dami you could be a fantastic orator if you slowed it down a tad hahaha

vast cipher
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like laughs mostly sound weird

velvet dagger
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(Mostly I feel I sound like I have a cold)

astral marsh
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I actually like my expressions of humor

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Like laughter and smiles and chuckles and so forth

blazing pawn
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you sound new york dami

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which imo is a good way to sound

vast cipher
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i beat my resting anger face with intense concentration

modest rune
astral marsh
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Oh shit you changed your resting face

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I also have a bit of an angry resting face

vast cipher
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then i beat my intense concentration face with nootropics

astral marsh
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my brows come together

vast cipher
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the goal is to eventually have no face

astral marsh
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🤔

modest rune
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i think i have a resting expression of complete disinterest

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like pure apathy

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lights on nobodys home

velvet dagger
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Hmm

vast cipher
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angry/sad resting face is bad

astral marsh
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Anyways I do feel like it is pretty weird, that juxtaposition, because like, I have these ingrained social mannerisms in sort of a 'baby' style of someone that is used to being younger than their social group

modest rune
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the truth is that im just zoned out like 95% of the time

vast cipher
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i feel like you can def fix your fax though

velvet dagger
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I guess the thing is you sorta have that same expression when you're talking about something you're interested in so it doesn't take long to not associate it with boredom

astral marsh
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But at the same time I have a decently high level of social confidence learned from moving around a lot

velvet dagger
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Or idk maybe this is more hindsight speaking

modest rune
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yeah its a weird effect where like

vast cipher
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nothing wrong with that arch

modest rune
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people who have spoken to me enough can read me pretty well

velvet dagger
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But I feel like if I look at it now it's like

astral marsh
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So I'm like assertive confident while having these baby mannerisms

velvet dagger
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Yeah you don't seem bored

vast cipher
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especially if theyre not uhh

modest rune
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but i come off mysterious or like edgy to strangers sometimes

astral marsh
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I see lol

vast cipher
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like youre talking about not uhh

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i dont know these words

blazing pawn
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lmfao

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mysterious and edgy are not words i associate with you max

vast cipher
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youre talking about stuff thats not conscious right

astral marsh
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Yeah none of it is intentional

velvet dagger
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But I get where it comes from. Hence why I think maybe once someone knows you they're just conditioned to your style

astral marsh
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it's just ingrained/learned

vast cipher
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it can be a little grating when older people affect really young things

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like you ever see an older person do a hair flip

astral marsh
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say what now

vast cipher
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i guess not for long hair

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as like

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a style

modest rune
vast cipher
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idk

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its too judgemental to say this

modest rune
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I take awhile to warm up to people

vast cipher
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idk what i want to say

modest rune
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Im very reserved until then

rancid meadow
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mysterious
max i dont believe u

modest rune
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you'd be surprised

rancid meadow
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ive never thought a person was mysterious in ym life

vast cipher
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mannerisms generally arent good or bad right

modest rune
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well sure

vast cipher
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theyre like imprints of your life

astral marsh
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the blank face, they read it as belying many mysteries and hidden complexity

rancid meadow
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real people dont think other real people are mysterious

astral marsh
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they do not know

vast cipher
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and the thing you learned socially

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just part of your personality

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as opposed to like the inflection you put on

astral marsh
vast cipher
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or the codes you use etc

modest rune
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I know a handful of people

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that i would call vaguely mysterious

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but more in a like

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"i have no fucking clue what goes on in that persons head" way

velvet dagger
astral marsh
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Lmao

modest rune
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I think I can be hard to read for sure

astral marsh
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Max I met a literal manic pixie dream girl type girl at this academic program

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Or whatever the name is

modest rune
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lmao

astral marsh
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So there was this weekly meeting where teh admins ask us about how things are going

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She raises hand to give feedback on a class

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She complains about the pacing and subsequently describes the instructor as "a lil sussy"

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That is a direct qote

rancid meadow
modest rune
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I'd fucking kill myself on the spot

cold needle
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What

rancid meadow
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gifted kids r fucking weird

modest rune
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if someone said sussy

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outloud to me

vast cipher
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imagine the non traditional students

astral marsh
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She also chimed in to talk about her displeasure with her morning class

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Because

vast cipher
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i think id be like i should just quit

velvet dagger
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I'd kill the person who said that first

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Then myself

rancid meadow
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this is literally what happens when u go to [three letter school]

astral marsh
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They aren't allowing her to brush her teeth during that class tiem anymore

rancid meadow
astral marsh
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When pressed by the admin who was initially just like "bruh wtf"

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She says

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"Yes, I admit, I am a toothbrusher"

rancid meadow
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im going to vomit

astral marsh
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It's like you take a discorder

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and make it irl

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lmfaoooo

modest rune
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i think you are confusing "manic pixie dream girl" with "fucking psycho"

astral marsh
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lmfao

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ive never met someone like this

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its so hilarious

modest rune
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arch

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trust me

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you gotta like

astral marsh
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"A LIL SUSSY" WTF lmao

vast cipher
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you should become friends with this person

modest rune
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be a mid tier friend with that person

astral marsh
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literally in

vast cipher
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i wonder theyre lonely

astral marsh
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a meeting

modest rune
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never get too close

rancid meadow
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arch ur going to meet so many of these people

astral marsh
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a program wide meeting

modest rune
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like a moth to a flame

astral marsh
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lmao

modest rune
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but you gotta keep her around

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as a constant source of entertainment

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and also keep telling us about it

astral marsh
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bruh yeah she's like one of the novel people

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there's like characters in novels

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that are characterized by their originality and authenticity you know

modest rune
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also arch whenever i imagine you

astral marsh
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that's like her

velvet dagger
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I feel like she started saying that ironically

modest rune
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i just see Khun in my head

blazing pawn
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Yeah this sounds like a fanfiction or YA novel character

velvet dagger
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And then it stopped being ironic

astral marsh
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lmao

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i dont know

modest rune
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I wish i looked like khun

astral marsh
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i think she just exudes a shitton of idgaf energy

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and it's actually kinda cool

blazing pawn
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u want to be a twink?

modest rune
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i should take fashion tips from khun

blazing pawn
modest rune
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I want to be a twunk

blazing pawn
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Khun is just a twink

vast cipher
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more weird friends hype

modest rune
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i want to be fit khun

cold needle
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i wish i was a twink

vast cipher
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im past the phase where i can be sadcat

blazing pawn
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im kinda a twink but i refuse to acknowledge it

velvet dagger
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Like in life your options are to be the main character, which not everyone can be

modest rune
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you are like

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100% twink

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what are you on about

velvet dagger
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Be an interesting side character

cold needle
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or npc…

velvet dagger
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Or a not interesting side character

astral marsh
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you've seen irl pics of me before right

vast cipher
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or an author

modest rune
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I think I am an interesting side character

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im okay with that

velvet dagger
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I'm definitely the main character of math

blazing pawn
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I would also like to be an interesting side character

vast cipher
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me personally i am a proofreader

blazing pawn
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I think i qualify as that

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the transgenderism helps

astral marsh
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Namington once described me as the protagonist's best friend when I posted a particular pic of myself

blazing pawn
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free narrative relevance points

velvet dagger
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I'm Batman and Metalninja is Robin tbh

astral marsh
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It was my graduation pic actually

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a scuffed one

modest rune
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my character hook is just as like

blazing pawn
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batman beats his children now dami

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idk if you want that

modest rune
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I say yes to literally any adventure or outing

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so im like

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a character of convenience

vast cipher
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me too maxj

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except its not convenient

velvet dagger
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Whoops

modest rune
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I provide enrichment to any adventure the author needs me on

vast cipher
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idk i cant keep track of this metaphor

cold needle
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hmm

vast cipher
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is the story your life or the world

velvet dagger
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Tbh that's the first combo that came to mind

modest rune
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its the story of the main character

vast cipher
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how can there only be one main character

modest rune
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I think my best friend is the main character in my life

vast cipher
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is it god

velvet dagger
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In each story

blazing pawn
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Oh

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Yeah

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you do look like a best friend character

velvet dagger
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Oh that's very main character

modest rune
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fuck wait

astral marsh
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I actually made this my ID photo

modest rune
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does arch have longer hair than me

astral marsh
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for MIT

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thats why its green

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background

velvet dagger
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Like in a certain story

cold needle
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yes max

astral marsh
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i did it in paint or something

blazing pawn
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lol maxj owned

cold needle
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get owned max

modest rune
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i dont think so

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i think if my hair was straight id win

blazing pawn
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no dami its like an adventure story stranger things knockoff

vast cipher
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lol

cold needle
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yeah i can see it too dami like princess bride vibes

astral marsh
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this was such a period of time tbh

blazing pawn
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oh my god youtube STOP RECOMMENDING ME MAC DE MARCO

vast cipher
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youtube recommending me bill burr for the past 8 years

velvet dagger
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I look the same as I used to but uh... Very not in shape

vast cipher
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youre in the sky

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6 feet tall

astral marsh
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its a screenshot from me in a class call

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i am SO looking forward to like my 6 months progress pics once i start working out today

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by the way

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because my jawline when i have a good bf% is nice

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i have this one pic of when i was like 13

modest rune
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whats ur plan arch

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are you finally gonna become a cliber

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climber

astral marsh
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lmao

modest rune
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i wasnt joking

astral marsh
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idek where theres a climbing gym near here

rancid meadow
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theres 100% a climbing gym near you

astral marsh
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there probably are some but im on bike at best

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walking rn

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bike in fall

modest rune
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what does that have to do w climbing

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you gotta do some resistance training arch

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Oh i see what you mean lol

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Transport

vast cipher
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is there not stuff you can climb

velvet dagger
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Trying to find the oldest pic I have. Currently I've found something from when I was 15 lol

vast cipher
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like on hikes

velvet dagger
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From probably 3 years ago?

modest rune
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Here’s an old pic of me

cold needle
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lmao

astral marsh
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Ok this is me when I was super skinny

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Man, a lot went down that one summer

velvet dagger
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I do not look good when I'm super skinny

astral marsh
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I literally think it might have been the summer of that picture btw

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I just went through a metamorphosis tbh

velvet dagger
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I think the problem is certain facial features I have are huge

astral marsh
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I remember coming back, first day of class in peru, and my classmates were like

blazing pawn
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no old photos of me exist because i have no physical form

vagrant kestrel
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Big head small arms

velvet dagger
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So I need some stuff there

astral marsh
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"Holy shit, [last name], what happened to you?"

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I actually do remember the specific words they said

blazing pawn
astral marsh
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Because I was soooooo skinny

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Before

modest rune
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i never bullied anyone

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nor did i get bullied

astral marsh
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And then I came back and I was like, not huge but, I was +2.5bmi

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And I grew

blazing pawn
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what does +2.5 bmi mean

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Like standard deviations?

astral marsh
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Also I started taking tkd classes (just for a short bit, up to yellow belt)

vagrant kestrel
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we all ride the bmi escalator

astral marsh
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No like 18 to 20.5

modest rune
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its an index

blazing pawn
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Oh

velvet dagger
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Also I had a hunchback when I was that skinny

blazing pawn
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like literally you added 2.5 BMI

modest rune
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BMI is a useless measure

vagrant kestrel
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Does weight fix a hunchback

modest rune
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BFP is at least useful

astral marsh
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Anyways I remember there was this one annoying kid that was wayyyy too handsy and one time when we were in the school court / playing field, I like, tapped his temple with my foot

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It was a slow execution of a tkd kick

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And everyone freaked out and dramatized it

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It was hilarious

sharp mulch
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String bean

astral marsh
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Because the narrative was, right

cold needle
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the jorts

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the jorts…

modest rune
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dami

astral marsh
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I had just come back that summer bigger and not stick-thin anymore

modest rune
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you gotta get

astral marsh
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And then I did that

modest rune
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5' jorts

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should i rock jorts

astral marsh
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And they loved the narrative that I had changed or something

modest rune
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i feel like oversized tee + jorts

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is a very climber look

astral marsh
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wtf is jorts

modest rune
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jean shorts

velvet dagger
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Jean shorts

astral marsh
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bruh

rancid meadow
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not jorts lmao

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what

modest rune
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climbers wear jeans

blazing pawn
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max i kind of went climbing the other day are u proud

modest rune
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even to climb

blazing pawn
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Well

astral marsh
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nice

modest rune
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the best climber in the gym is always in skinny jeans

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this is just a fact of nature

blazing pawn
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So in central park theres this road from the east side to the west side and the walls are all bricks

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and i climbed the walls

rancid meadow
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oversized thick shirts are very popular at gyms but i have never seen someone wearing jorts unless theyre accompanied by pitvipers

astral marsh
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tf is a pitviper

blazing pawn
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Needed to get up top

astral marsh
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you nerds and your made up jargon

modest rune
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oh arch

astral marsh
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"jorts" "pitviper"

modest rune
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no

velvet dagger
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Honestly my look is anime protagonist but my voice is the inspiring character that gets assassinated

astral marsh
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touch grass

velvet dagger
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Now that I think about it

modest rune
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ive got the perfect lesson

blazing pawn
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dami i feel like ur reference point is

blazing pawn
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mecha anime

astral marsh
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lmao

rancid meadow
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pit vipers

modest rune
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@astral marsh watch that

astral marsh
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bruh

vagrant kestrel
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urban climbing pandaWow

astral marsh
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in a sec im in lecture

modest rune
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its my favorite video in awhile

astral marsh
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in-person

blazing pawn
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urban climbing is fun

modest rune
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fuck your lecture

astral marsh
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lmao

velvet dagger
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Maybe?

astral marsh
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theres cameras or smth

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i cant listen

sharp mulch
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"my look is anime protagonist"

astral marsh
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i actually want to like

blazing pawn
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generic

astral marsh
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get my hair styled in some awy

vast cipher
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yall almost tricked me into posting a picture of myself hssssss

sharp mulch
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Society has progressed past the need for this server

astral marsh
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i want to do something with my hair

vast cipher
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lucky for me i dont have any

astral marsh
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its like

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a bunch of raw material

vast cipher
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apparently

astral marsh
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i grew it out for like over a year now?

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yeah like a year

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it goes well past shoulders

cold needle
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i should post a pic of myself

astral marsh
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it curls up btw

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my hair curls up andidek why

vast cipher
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u have posted video of yourself

astral marsh
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it hit my shoulders and it's curling up now

cold needle
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but also trying to find a decent one is hard

astral marsh
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wtf kind of hair is that

velvet dagger
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Same metal

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The first one I posted that's more recent-ish is like

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From the one part of my life where I looked semi-decent

astral marsh
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anyways idk what kind of hairstyle i should get

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@modest rune any thoughts on long hair styles

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i have no clue

modest rune
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I have curly hair so i just rock the natural flow

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i think you gotta be more creative w straight hair

astral marsh
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my hair has not been touched by scissor or clipper for like 6 months

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ah i see

modest rune
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I think like, partial buns and stuff can be cute

rancid meadow
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no

velvet dagger
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One of my friends hasn't cut his hair in years. He rocks a very specific long hair look

modest rune
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I need to get a haircut and like

velvet dagger
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Max you might know who I'm talking about

modest rune
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fix my setup

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oh

astral marsh
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i like how i look when i do a basic ponytail, seeing my medium hair-length again in the front is cool

modest rune
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god

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yeah

astral marsh
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like just down to above my chin a bit in the sides

modest rune
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he needs to take better care of his hair though

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his routine is bad

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I need to fix the shape of my hair

velvet dagger
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I feel like I don't wanna cut my hair but it's chaos when I let it grow out more than a bit

modest rune
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also i look like i have short hair in my pfp

astral marsh
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im considering just going back to medium or short hair

velvet dagger
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Yeah the first thing I noticed irl about you was that your hair was longer than I thought

astral marsh
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long is a bit annoying

modest rune
#

its way longer than when you saw me lmfao

velvet dagger
#

Oh damn

modest rune
#

that pfp is a complete ponytail

velvet dagger
#

Ohhhh

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Yeah my hair is more what you see is what you get

modest rune
#

i was on a roller coaster

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so i kept it up all day

velvet dagger
#

I was actually born with hair

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And it used to be very straight

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But then my grandmother insisted they shave me when I was either 2 or 3

modest rune
#

my hair is curly enough that i should've known I wasn't straight sooner

bronze pelican
#

I'm going bouldering this weekend

blazing pawn
#

True

velvet dagger
#

Since apparently it's a Berber tradition

blazing pawn
#

All lebanese men are gay

modest rune
#

indoors or outdoors

velvet dagger
#

And then when it grows back out again

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It's fucking chaos

bronze pelican
#

Outdoors I think

modest rune
#

oh sick!

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can you say where

cold needle
#

i too had to get shaved bald as a baby

blazing pawn
#

Oh man dami that happened to a lot of pepole in my family

modest rune
#

or is that a dox

blazing pawn
#

With my mom it was the opposite actually

rancid meadow
blazing pawn
#

like she had super curly hair and it got shaved and it grew back straight

astral marsh
#

lol what

blazing pawn
#

(not shaved entirely but her sister cut off most of it when she was a kid)

blazing pawn
velvet dagger
#

When I was a kid one big theme was the "tornado" at the front of my head

rancid meadow
bronze pelican
modest rune
#

Never been, but I am jealous

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I should go back to bishop

astral marsh
modest rune
#

but my only climbing friend is injured

bronze pelican
#

No?

astral marsh
#

sus

velvet dagger
#

That tornado

cold needle
#

tornado

astral marsh
#

lmao

cold needle
#

like the swirl on jupiter

velvet dagger
#

Exactly

bronze pelican
#

It will be my first time bouldering

narrow rock
#

get ready to experience the most insane forearm pump of your life lol

velvet dagger
#

Brofibration is probably an interesting side character

narrow rock
#

you'll come out of the gym looking like popeye

velvet dagger
#

I feel like you don't quite have a super imposing presence? Which is what I tend to imagine for main characters

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But you're def interesting

#

Thing is I don't have a specific trope for you

narrow rock
#

brofib npc arc

blazing pawn
#

am i interesting or uninteresting side character dami

sharp mulch
#

Lol

cold needle
#

i feel like

narrow rock
#

it feels good lol

cold needle
#

brofibration is ripped

narrow rock
#

dw pty

cold needle
#

like professor leonard

narrow rock
#

no

bronze pelican
#

I'm like stick thin

narrow rock
#

I was in pretty good shape right before covid

meager sonnet
#

My presence is so imposing

#

You know I've entered the room before you see me by my sheer sigma energy

narrow rock
velvet dagger
#

Hmmmm

bronze pelican
#

Yeah I feel like it wont be that hard

#

A fun challenge

narrow rock
#

oh no it almost certainly will be hard

#

you wont struggle on the easier grades

velvet dagger
#

I'm thinking about Hegel rn

bronze pelican
#

Grades?

narrow rock
#

if youre thin you can climb at a higher level even if you have bad technique

bronze pelican
velvet dagger
#

I feel like yeah you're an interesting person but I've yet to think up your trope

narrow rock
#

can you do a lot of pullups?

bronze pelican
#

No

narrow rock
#

good pulling strength helps

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if your technique sucks

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and you can flex on people by climbing up stuff while only using your hands

#

here's your routine PT

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climb

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and do a shit ton of pullups and dips

#

youll be a monster

bronze pelican
#

LMAO

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My prof for this reading group

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Just sent us videos of sourdough bread

bronze pelican
#

Also, these videos are good.  Sourdough. . .

meager sonnet
#

Arguably being the maths discord we're all like the nerd sidekick of the MC

bronze pelican
narrow rock
#

that

static loom
#

guacamole my favorite

narrow rock
#

lol

modest rune
#

That is not good climbing advice lol

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You def wanna do all those exercises but if you only work out your upper body you’ll get dunked on my 13 year olds

velvet dagger
#

Yeah

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@meager sonnet honestly the vibe I get from you allows for the protagonist who starts shy

meager sonnet
#

Like, shinji ikari?

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IDK too many examples of that one that aren't from depresso anime

blazing pawn
#

shinji isnt really shy tbh

#

hes just traumatized opencry

meager sonnet
#

Fair

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Still works tbh

velvet dagger
#

Tbh I barely know any anime

#

I'm just imagining reasonable tropes

meager sonnet
#

Okay Dami tonight we binge anime

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Gotta get you up to speed

velvet dagger
#

Hahaha

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Could be fun! :0

cold needle
#

yes

sharp mulch
#

could

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:0

vagrant kestrel
#

:\/

sharp mulch
#

:V

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:\/

onyx pagoda
mortal oasis
#

what do yall think about this pokemon unite

sharp mulch
#

I heard that it was good

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I watched some gameplay as well

#

Basically all the vtubers I follow played it as soon as it released

cold needle
#

:notthis

velvet dagger
#

:v

deep mango
#

holy shit the google doodle is so good

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it's like

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massive

cold needle
#

i need to play it soon

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but busy with school angerysad

mortal oasis
#

Based

deep mango
#

ya'll.

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ya all.

rancid meadow
#

its 10 :-)

mortal oasis
#

Like how much would math change if we just did it left to right

unborn trellis
#

not at all

mortal oasis
#

Exactly

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Like I’m like 95% meming

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But when I tutored and had to do PEMDAS it was the worst thing ever

deep mango
#

wait, but doesn't division come after multiplication?

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this stupid fucking shit

rancid meadow
#

ryc.

deep mango
#

i hate it

rancid meadow
deep mango
#

so much

rancid meadow
#

ryc u do the brackets first :-)

deep mango
#

every math teacher who doesn't mention that division and multiplication are done together from left to right

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should be fired

unborn trellis
#

pemdas is only useful for children who need to write out things like 2x3+4

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mathematicians just use decent notation instead

deep mango
#

and then i'll give them a stern talking to

rancid meadow
#

i was told u can do whatever one comes first

leaden torrent
#

the superior way to teach order of operations is to introduce polynomial rings, and then define an evaluation function and observe it plays nicely with notation iff we use pedmas

rancid meadow
#

so its like
BE(DM)(AS)
where u can COMMUTE inside the brackets

vagrant kestrel
#

pemdas might not be the best ordering

cold needle
#

hmm

deep mango
#

the superior way is to introduce them in the order they are evaluated

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so first introduce parenthesis to students

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then exponentiation

rancid meadow
#

chad way is to force urstudents to learn prefix notation...

cold needle
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or postfix

unborn trellis
#

Write everything in reverse polish notation with parens

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😎

cold needle
#

postfix/rpn is more common no?

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i know some HP calculators even had that

deep mango
#

polish deez nuts

rancid meadow
#

honestly if they r gna make all these kids learn programming just force them to write a polish parser as their first project

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no more whining about pemdas after that I bet

cold needle
#

kekw

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true

unborn trellis
#

god my intro cs course in HS taught racket as the first language

deep mango
cold needle
#

it was

deep mango
#

i feel like this should be done unironically

unborn trellis
#

prefix notation made me want to kill myself

mortal oasis
#

What is that even

rancid meadow
#

i wasnt being ironic

deep mango
#

i wish i'd done it before college

cold needle
#

oh

mortal oasis
#

I’ve never heard of a polish parser

rancid meadow
#

irony would be saying "make them do it in haskell"

mortal oasis
#

Should I have

cold needle
#

is this where i plug my shitty graphing calculator i did in java

untold sapphire
#

yeah sure

deep mango
cold needle
#

do you know how hard it was

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to make it so that i didn't demand spaces in the input

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and tell from unary minus and binary minus

#

i wanted to die

rancid meadow
#

every single message i send should really have an implicit "smug" appended ryc

unborn trellis
#

rendering images in java cros

cold needle
#

literally spaghetti code

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for the minus sign

untold sapphire
#

i don't think anybody should take a firm stance on what is universally the correct convention for interpreting ambiguous expressions lol, that just seems self defeating. you cannot assert that a convention is correct in any meaningful sense

rancid meadow
#

the correct stance is whatever my stance is

untold sapphire
#

the only good take about $4/3*2$ is that if two people argue over how it should be interpreted, then someone should rewrite it for clarity

fathom swallowBOT
#

diligentClerk

unborn trellis
#

which is why they are called conventions and not "the true interpretation"

mortal oasis
#

How ever I got my answer Is the right way

rancid meadow
#

i think u should just judge ambiguous expressions by democracy... if 51/100 people say that its 2/3 then its 2/3..

leaden torrent
mortal oasis
#

Every since namington got me with the GNU pasta I don’t trust anything they say

rancid meadow
#

i got it from reading like 100 pages of reading naming and necessity thank u very much.

#

about as much as i can handle,

cold needle
#

the obvious followup project is to make a computer algebra system

#

Clearly

#

i've been thinking about trying my hand at it but like

#

it just sounds so pain

rancid meadow
#

its not worth it lol

#

there are more interesting math projects than implementing stupid algebra algos

cold needle
#

yes

rancid meadow
#

do the classic complex function grapher

#

every nerd with a website has one of those

cold needle
#

oh yeah

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kek

untold sapphire
#

i recently implemented some arbitrary precision computing stuff.

meager sonnet
#

Ooh congrats on honourable clerk!

untold sapphire
#

i wrote a bunch of basic mathematical functions on the reals where a real number was modelled as a function that accepts an epsilon and returns an approximation to that real within epsilon of the correct value (where it could have arbitrarily large memory in order to give the number out to epsilon) and all the functions operated on these

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thanks fiona i got it through bribery and corruption

cold needle
#

i am very rich now

narrow rock
#

diligentClerk is honorable hype

untold sapphire
#

i also spent some time recently researching approximation techniques for pi, until recently i only knew the power series for arctan(1) thing which has a terrible convergence rate

meager sonnet
#

Bribery and corruption? Honestly I expected woog to weigh in but you got yellow name without that even having to happen

#

Ooh there's some cool stuff with pi calculation

untold sapphire
#

if you replace these by the powerseries for arctan you get a series which converges very quickly

#

machin used this formula to set a record in digits of pi computed, in the early 1700s

blazing pawn
#

woog is no longer mod hmmCat

#

Would she need to weight in?

meager sonnet
#

Oh yeah

#

I posted this and forgot woog wasn't able to see it

untold sapphire
#

there's also a nice formula due to newton, I won't give his exactly but there's a nice modified version of it: it's easy to see by geometric considerations that $\int_0^{1/2} \sqrt{1-x^2}$ is $\frac{\pi}{12} + \sqrt{3}/8$. so if you solve for pi and compute the integral by working out the power series for $\sqrt{1-x^2}$ and taking the antiderivative, you can compute pi pretty rapidly

fathom swallowBOT
#

diligentClerk

untold sapphire
#

thanks for sticking up for me in mod chat fiona. i'm glad to know one of the council elders is on my side. some of them have it out for me

rancid meadow
#

the new channel did all the work 🙂

meager sonnet
#

Have you seen some of the accursed ramunajun-based formulas?

untold sapphire
#

i've seen these but I genuinely do not understand a single damn one. the wolfram mathworld page has a bunch of them but to me they're all WTF

#

I don't know any number theory

meager sonnet
#

As I understand it modern ones are generalized hypergeometric series using some elliptic stuff

untold sapphire
#

beautiful... if you say so friend

meager sonnet
#

Chudnovsky is just insane

blazing pawn
#

I just spent like 15 minutes trying to understand this argument because i misread "only if" as "if"

meager sonnet
untold sapphire
#

what the fuck

meager sonnet
#

It looks like line noise

velvet dagger
#

Yeah I was trying to get Clerk assassinated for not liking my excellent joke yesterday about the Langlands program

untold sapphire
#

at least this series has a a property that you can wrap your mind around: of all series of the form $\sum P_n/Q_n$ with $P_n,Q_n$ integers, this converges most rapidly

meager sonnet
fathom swallowBOT
#

diligentClerk

untold sapphire
#

Well it says "consists of only integer terms", not sure what that means

#

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

#

don't like to shit on any area of math but i honestly don't understand the appeal of this stuff in this level of detail. i can't imagine just being so interested in this that you devote years and years of study to just series for pi or whatever.

#

ramanujan understood a lot of things i don't tho

meager sonnet
#

I think most of those are just figuring out the way to derive them

#

You can do these series with like, a certain form

#

To me Ramanujan seems almost like a recreational mathematician with the skills of a god, he loved pumping out little identities and formulas it seems

untold sapphire
#

this page honestly just looks like the stereotype to me of what laymen think math is. just page after page of incomprehensible formulas

meager sonnet
#

Yeah it does

#

Though the explanations check out from my very cursory glances

untold sapphire
#

Nice

leaden torrent
#

ramanujan is the layman mathematician

#

conway is the pop mathematician

meager sonnet
#

Heegner numbers and modular forms go BRRR and some sequence rearranging, I guess

untold sapphire
#

there are some mathematicians who i have immense respect for who i have just accepted i will never be able to understand the motivation for like, most of their work. one of these people is Anne Troelstra

#

the dude is indubitably a genius but if you read anything he writes it is extremely difficult to understand his motivation for these results and why they're interesting and important. even his basic proof theory textbook is hella dry

#

completely unmotivated, almost completely turned me off proof theory after i burned out reading it

vivid halo
#

proof theory flashbacks

untold sapphire
#

I have trouble with a lot of proof theory tbh as there are so many systems and definitions to keep track of. picking up a random paper, I feel I see so many three letter acronyms without context, somewhat like reverse math. also like in many fields there's the problem of citations of unpublished notes that circulated privately

vivid halo
#

yea the literature in that fields is uhhh...

#

it's a literature, I suppose

somber hinge
#

Guys what are the prerequisites for ug math like analysis, abstract algebra

leaden torrent
#

high school mathematics + linear algebra

somber hinge
#

I know basics of trig, coordinate geometry and calculus

leaden torrent
#

but many students find it helpful to have taken a calculus course or two first

#

as well as intro proofs

#

(in theory you can pick up proofs on the fly, but most students find analysis courses too fast-paced for that)

#

(many students get their intro to proofs in proof-based linear algebra)

errant kiln
leaden torrent
#

not necessarily for analysis

#

yes for abstract algebra typically

mortal folio
#

Proofs are so fun but kind of hard sometimes </3

thorn brook
#

all you need is a little ✓ in your name and you're good to go

leaden torrent
#

not every abstract algebra expects familiarity but most do

#

since they cover matrix groups week 1 or whatever

#

and if you dont know what a determinant is

#

good luck lmao

mortal folio
#

What is the check in the name

#

does it mean ur smart

thorn brook
#

tick gang

errant kiln
mortal folio
#

Can I be arrogant

thorn brook
#

yeeesss join tick gang

untold sapphire
#

if you want to get into analysis i would suggest combining a rigorous calculus textbook like Apostol or Spivak with one with lots of pictures, intuition and calculations, like the standard undergrad textbook by Stewart

thorn brook
#

we be growin

mortal folio
#

Tick tock surprisedpikachu

untold sapphire
#

a good introduction to proofs imo is through discrete mathematics, as is done with computer science majors

errant kiln
leaden torrent
#

i mean, the fact that every group is secretly a matrix group is kind of like

untold sapphire
#

yeah but they're one of the most basic examples besides permutation groups and dihedral groups

leaden torrent
#

super important in applications of group theory

#

but sure, in theory you can omit it

mortal folio
#

OK but wait what are tick marks

leaden torrent
#

since an intro course doesnt usually get into applications

#

beyond basic group action stuff

#

(which is typically done with permutation groups because cayley)

mortal folio
#

BUT WHAT DO THEY EMAN

thorn brook
#

tick gang

mortal folio
#

OH

#

OK

leaden torrent
#

it means they have no sense of humour

thorn brook
#

ayyy stop I have good jokes

blazing pawn
#

Why do u type in all caps so much

errant kiln
mortal folio
blazing pawn
#

Yes

#

Its kinda annoying tbh

#

no offense

mortal folio
#

i forgor 💀

thorn brook
blazing pawn
mortal folio
#

No but tbh its just bc my friends and I type in all caps a lot and sometimes I forget that normies don't type in all caps a lot 🤣

errant kiln
#

why would you type in caps though

#

it's just ugly

blazing pawn
#

"normies"

mortal folio
mortal oasis
#

I tend

#

To

#

Type messages

#

Like this for

#

Some reason

static loom
#

it's zoomer attention span syndrome im sorry 🙏

mortal oasis
#

Lmao

#

You

#

Are probably

#

Right

somber hinge
#

So

neat lintel
mortal folio
#

I've been in here less than an hour and I am already being annoying I am sorry

somber hinge
#

Guys I had a one year break from studying due to my mental illness. By the grace of lockdown and online class I have passed my high school and I will soon be joining ug math . I want to know what should I do before I go there

#

I looked at math ug courses they begin with analysis,linear algebra and discrete math

#

What should I do I have 1-2 months

#

I mean what should I study so that I can study ug math smoothly

leaden torrent
#

most schools try and make their intro courses fairly... generous pacing-wise

#

so i wouldnt worry too much so long as you have your high school stuff down

#

but if you want to feel extra confident going in, getting some comfort with proofs is a good idea

neat lintel
#

most opencry

errant kiln
#

,w uoft abbreviation

fathom swallowBOT
leaden torrent
#

well toronto spec explicitly recommends its students get good at proofs over summer

#

like they send out an email

#

"learn these proofs mate"

neat lintel
#

people will still complain that the ontario curriculum didn't teach them enough

leaden torrent
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

#

the point is that, if theyre asking here, their school probably didnt provide them with something like that

somber hinge
#

So high school math and ug math aren't related?

leaden torrent
#

theyre certainly related

#

in the sense that

somber hinge
#

If I just do proofs will that be enough

leaden torrent
#

youre expected to be fluent in high school stuff as a baseline for undergrad math

vivid halo
#

No

leaden torrent
#

but you already passed high school

vivid halo
#

You need to know calculus very well for instance

leaden torrent
#

so i assumed you were already decently familiar with that

vivid halo
#

Isn’t the first year course like

somber hinge
#

I know basic calc

leaden torrent
#

its more like, proficiency in high school mathematics is kind of taken for granted

#

thats the baseline to get into a math program (at least one that starts with analysis)

#

like how an English major is expected to know how to read

errant kiln
#

if you plan to study maths, you are most likely already comfortable with high school maths stare

somber hinge
#

I am asking if I need to fluent in. Trig, coordinate geometry , binomial theorem etc

leaden torrent
#

yes yes and yes

vivid halo
#

Yes lol

leaden torrent
#

basically all of high school mathematics

somber hinge
#

Okay thanks

leaden torrent
#

except maybe some of the analytic geometry + conic section stuff

#

but a lot of it is reviewed on-the-fly, they wont expect you to remember everything

#

like the binomial theorem for instance

vivid halo
#

Algebraic geometers: REEEE

leaden torrent
#

itll probably be reproved in fact

#

(proving the binomial theorem was an induction practice problem week 1 of my undergrad)

vivid halo
#

Yea you’re not expected to like have perfect memory of everything

somber hinge
#

Ohk thanks y'all

leaden torrent
#

but you'll certainly be expected to know, like, how to solve high school level equations and whatnot lmao

#

thats just a basic skill

somber hinge
#

Yes

leaden torrent
#

i'll confess that i dont have the trig values memorized, i have to draw/visualize a quick triangle and make cuts

#

if i want to rederive it

somber hinge
#

Even though it's been a year o think I can do it

prime plover
#

i had very little high school math knowledge when i started my math degree and it was extremely painful-i got my degree in the end tho. I would recommend a linear path in math education.

somber hinge
#

I do the same haha

vast cipher
#

just gave myself my second haircut flonshed

#

i still dont understand necklines

#

or side checking

errant kiln
#

I have no idea how you can see yourself from behind.

vast cipher
#

i use a mirror

errant kiln
#

Don't you need at least two mirrors?

vast cipher
#

i cant send a pic sadcat

#

yea i have a handheld one

#

and one in my bathroom

#

i saw a tip on youtube was to like

#

you face away from the big mirror, and hold the little mirror in front of you

#

it makes it a lot easier i think

errant kiln
#

I just go to the barber once every two months, that ought to be enough KEK

vast cipher
#

i could send a pic of from when i fixed my crown KEK that looked so bad

errant kiln
#

I can't risk doing that myself stare

vast cipher
#

thats how i felt then i tried it

#

barbers fuck shit up too

#

its just appeal to authority that it doesnt look bad in your head i think

#

i bought clippers before scissors and just ran like

#

i mean if you get clippers doing your sides is nothing

#

with the guards and stuff

#

it took me like 20 minutes even the first time and it will extend your haircut by like a month

#
#

this is the guy i followed for the mirror tip and for how to cut the sides

#

i think he does all the way down to a 1 though, i usually do 3-4-5 or 2-3-4

#

now i can do a haircut every 3 weeks 😄

errant kiln
#

what he's doing is a crap haircut though KEK

mortal oasis
vast cipher
#

idk it looks fine to me

mortal oasis
#

if its curly tbh you will get better cuts at black salons

vast cipher
#

im not into fashion or whatever

#

i have super straight hair

#

the straightest kind

#

i forget the word

#

1a or whatever it is

mortal oasis
#

are you getting fades?

vast cipher
#

nah

mortal oasis
#

oh

#

ok

vast cipher
#

i like transition the buzz

#

but i dont do fades

#

easy

mortal oasis
#

I honestly do

vast cipher
#

i think i could

#

my clippers dont have a lever

mortal oasis
#

cause i feel like they look good with minimal effort

vast cipher
#

yea they make it look professional for sure

#

i wanna learn to transition a little bitter

#

better

mortal oasis
#

like it says I care about how I look and I dont really have to style it to much

vast cipher
#

before i do fades

mortal oasis
#

true

vast cipher
#

lol i dont really care about how i look KEK

#

id like to not draw attention and not have my hair going everywhere

#

other than that

mortal oasis
#

honestly i have started to learn to care

vast cipher
#

if you have a real job or are doing interviews i do

mortal oasis
#

atleast until people know me

vast cipher
#

you wanna look really clean for new ppl or dating or whatever

mortal oasis
#

oh yea

#

agree

#

but like once you know me

#

sweat pants all day

#

and a hat

vast cipher
#

but the next 5 weeks for me are online classes and camping

mortal oasis
#

oh yea

vast cipher
#

i would like to learn how to do the back better

#

i still am struggling with transitions

errant kiln
#

I hate that wearing proper pants isn't popular anymore sad

vast cipher
#

i dont get strong lines from different guards anymore

mortal oasis
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sweat pants are the superior outfit

vast cipher
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but i dont really get how to transition there

vast cipher
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especially since the line moves i think?

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your guideline goes down when you go from the side to the back right

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to drop under the ridge

errant kiln
vast cipher
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or maybe im dumb

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i cant get my back to look normal yet

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but ill get there

mortal oasis
edgy atlas
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Do you guys ever learn proofs by rote and keep writing them out until they make sense?

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Lol