serious-discussion

[azure kettle]

sadge

[errant rock]

i applied to three schools 😭

[vast surge]

That would be the issue.

[errant rock]

i ruined my life

[sharp mulch]

Applying to 3 schools is a good way to not get into grad school

[vast surge]

It's also a way not to get into undergrad school

[sharp mulch]

Well

I only applied to like

5 schools for undergrad

[azure kettle]

real chads apply to a single school and get in

[errant rock]

i applied to two schools for undergrad

[sharp mulch]

And it was whatever

[vast surge]

I applied to like 12 and got into half of the undergrads I applied to but my brother only got into one of his.

[azure kettle]

I only applied to three schools for undergrad (only two realistically, I was peer pressured into the third)

[blazing pawn]

sadge

I am going to have to apply to like 11

[azure kettle]

bruh

what

[hallow wasp]

for grad or undergrad?

[blazing pawn]

Even if I didnt want to counselor would try to make me

[narrow rock]

11 is good

[blazing pawn]

I know people applying to like

18

[azure kettle]

grad

[blazing pawn]

Its really dumb

[narrow rock]

monkaS

[hallow wasp]

ok

[azure kettle]

you have to be a turbo chad to do it

[light needle]

i applied to 1.

[blazing pawn]

I am basically applying to a few safety and matches and then shotgunning at a bunch of places where id be happy to go to

[compact tartan]

I applied to one in undergrad

[vast surge]

The thing with undergrad is with the common app you only really need to write one essay and you can apply to a bunch

[compact tartan]

[narrow rock]

did you get in

[compact tartan]

yes

[azure kettle]

mniip is cracked

[compact tartan]

(grave mistake)

[narrow rock]

[sharp mulch]

The UCs do something where if you rank in the top 10% of your HS class you are guaranteed admission to a UC

So this is a built in safety

[azure kettle]

monka

sounds nice

[sharp mulch]

Realistically though

[cold needle]

Hacks

[sharp mulch]

If you are in the top whatever % you don't need that safety

[blazing pawn]

tfw not california resident

[sharp mulch]

Because you'll get into Berkeley/LA or whatever

[compact tartan]

while we're on this topic

[azure kettle]

I just applied to the two closest decent universities that had programs I liked

[sharp mulch]

Imagine not being from California

[compact tartan]

grad school usually comes with funding right?

[hallow wasp]

i can

[sharp mulch]

Yes

[vast surge]

It should.

[azure kettle]

I can imagine having good access to water and electricity

[hallow wasp]

california should be its own country.

[sharp mulch]

At least in the US you never want to attend non-funded phd programs

[azure kettle]

:^)

[vast surge]

I was born in NJ but my parents did the deed in cali, does that count?

[compact tartan]

if I'm reading this right, schools don't differentiate out-of-state people for whether they're international or not

[blazing pawn]

New Jersey

[compact tartan]

that right?

[blazing pawn]

Cringe

[vast surge]

I didn't choose to be born there.

[sharp mulch]

US public schools differentiate out of state and international

[blazing pawn]

You should have asserted dominance within the womb

[compact tartan]

oh?

[sharp mulch]

Some do at least

[hallow wasp]

it doesnt make sense why thats the case..

it never did to me

[sharp mulch]

I don't think UCs do, out of state + international are lumped together

But international admissions involve more work

[blazing pawn]

UCs do for admissions I think

[compact tartan]

sure

[sharp mulch]

On the part of the university

[blazing pawn]

Im not sure about for price

i just want ucla to give me money

pls

[narrow rock]

OOS and international pay the same tuition

[sharp mulch]

Yes

[narrow rock]

but admissions are different

[sharp mulch]

Ok sure

But I don't think grad admissions make this distinction

Maybe they do

[narrow rock]

they do

[compact tartan]

how are admissions different?

[hallow wasp]

they dont

[compact tartan]

also tuition is the same what about scholarships?

[vast surge]

So wait who is even in charge of grad admissions

Is it the department itself?

[hallow wasp]

instate based scholarships exist

[sharp mulch]

Individual departments

[bronze pelican]

[narrow rock]

j

[vast surge]

Oh thank god, I can't imagine an undergrad admissions department being qualified to deal with grad school admissions

[hallow wasp]

are undergrad admission departments HR people

[vast surge]

Basically

[hallow wasp]

i have no clue who looked at my essays

[compact tartan]

monkaS

[vast surge]

Wait no marketing not HR

[hallow wasp]

oh gg

[vast surge]

They basically do marketing for the undergrad part of the school

[hallow wasp]

i despise HR people at my school

[compact tartan]

anyway like

someone explain how all of this works

[hallow wasp]

for grad school?

[narrow rock]

application + transcript + 3 letters of rec

[vast surge]

Do I need a resume?

[narrow rock]

• GRE

maybe

[sharp mulch]

For undergrad or grad school

[vast surge]

For grad school

[narrow rock]

im assuming grad

[azure kettle]

dont think anyone really knows how it all works

[sharp mulch]

You also need resume/CV + statements + cover letter

[hallow wasp]

the advice i heard from my algebra professor: he jokingly said talk to him a lot and find other teachers to talk to, ask for letter of rec and do the application

[compact tartan]

honestly actually I might just have one rec letter from a prof

unironically following moth's advice

[blazing pawn]

Lmao

[compact tartan]

but that was a special occasion because it's a different "type" of class

[blazing pawn]

I hope the GRE isnt a thing when I apply

Its really dumb

[vast surge]

You should get more rec letters

And yeah the GRE looks like it sucks

[compact tartan]

I'll probably have another one from advisor

[vast surge]

Can I just do the math GRE subject test and not the normal GRE?

[compact tartan]

oh yeah how does the GRE work?

do I need both?

[azure kettle]

GRE kekw

[compact tartan]

I mean I realize that these days half the schools don't require it

but that's only half

[vast surge]

Fuck it I'll only apply to GRE optional schools then

[azure kettle]

if you do the math portion of the general GRE, you will actively lose brain cells

[hallow wasp]

how does gre work

do you need to study hard

[narrow rock]

yes

[cold needle]

the gre sounds like a shitty waste of time

[hallow wasp]

like high school study montage?

[vast surge]

It looks easier than the math portion of the SAT

[compact tartan]

you need to grind typical problems

to solve them quickly and with no mistakes

(i.e. it sucks)

[hallow wasp]

oh

so SAT part 2

[sharp mulch]

You don't need to study for the general GRE

[vast surge]

The math portion of the general, not of the math subject test.

[azure kettle]

idk if it's easier than SAT math, which is also turbo brain dead

[sharp mulch]

You need to study for the math GRE

[compact tartan]

oh

[vast surge]

Why was I sully?

[sharp mulch]

It's a lot of computationally tedious problems in a limited time

[compact tartan]

right so back to question 1: do you need to take both GREs?

[narrow rock]

because it isnt easier

[sharp mulch]

Yes

[hallow wasp]

i think most people take both

[sharp mulch]

You do

[compact tartan]

f

[narrow rock]

f

mniip

are you applying this year

[azure kettle]

general GRE math requires that you passed grade 12 math and currently still have a working brain

[compact tartan]

this winter yea

[hallow wasp]

is grade 12 math calculus?

[narrow rock]

then just pray that you dont need to do it

instead of studying for it

[bronze pelican]

Some schools require General GRE, some dont. Some schools require Math GRE, some dont.

[compact tartan]

[vast surge]

I might do math GRE, but I won't stoop do do the general GRE.

[azure kettle]

some schools require it

[hallow wasp]

stooping

[azure kettle]

sadge

[vast surge]

These are the questions: https://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general/about/content/quantitative_reasoning

[narrow rock]

which ones?

[bronze pelican]

General GRE is not that hard, you dont even need to study for it, aside from takign a practice test to get familiar with the format

[narrow rock]

i am go to harvards

[azure kettle]

idk, my sister had to write the general GRE for her grad program at uoft

[vast surge]

Literally this is one of the equestions:
If f, g, and h are positive integers such that f is a factor of g, and g is a factor of h, which of the following statements must be true?

Indicate all such statements.

f  is a factor of g squared
f  is a factor of gh.
f  is a factor of h minus g

[hallow wasp]

@vast surge is gre a filter for grad school?

[narrow rock]

WHAT

uoft requires the gre?

[azure kettle]

some programs, ya

not all

[narrow rock]

wtf

[vast surge]

I could have done that when I was 14

[hallow wasp]

f is a factor of gh !

[vast surge]

All 3 are true

[hallow wasp]

f is a factor of h minus g

[compact tartan]

f is a factor of (gh)!

[vast surge]

f is a factor of f

[compact tartan]

anyway so like

funding right?

[vast surge]

Literally if you have taken a middle-school algebra and geometry class you'll be fine in the general GRE

[compact tartan]

how does funding work

[narrow rock]

okay it looks like the math program doesnt need the gre

[sharp mulch]

Departments pay you to teach

[vast surge]

They give you moneys and you be a TA I think

[sharp mulch]

If you don't want to teach you apply for external funding

[azure kettle]

I still remember this one SAT math question (in the math subject test btw, not general SAT), that was something like "Person A walks a feet in s seconds, then walks b feet in t seconds. What was their average speed over the entire duration?"

I really lost brain cells writing that test

[compact tartan]

wait so basically you teach and pay your tuition from that?

[narrow rock]

i am go to uofts

[azure kettle]

pog

[sturdy ember]

how hodge star dual thingy/

[vast surge]

Do you actually teach a course or is it like a TA deal>

[hallow wasp]

is there a way to learn pure math and do research professionally without going to school? i dislike tests and school

[sharp mulch]

Yes and your stipend

[compact tartan]

what

[sharp mulch]

It depends on your university

[compact tartan]

how many hours?

[vast surge]

Like, would I have power over a classroom full of undergrads?

[sharp mulch]

The department pays your tuition and your stipend

You aren't getting an hourly rate

[compact tartan]

ok sure but you have to teach a certain number of hours per week

[sharp mulch]

Yes

[compact tartan]

I'm trying to figure out how the numbers work

[vast surge]

What courses do grad students normally teach? Is it just calculus, or would I be able to teach something interesting as well?

[narrow rock]

mniip number theorist arc

[azure kettle]

I also remember from the physics SAT subject test, one of the questions asked us to select the correct chronological order of three scientists (I think it was like archimedes, newton, einstein or something) for one of the multiple choice questions

I still think about that question sometimes

who exactly decided on that question for the SAT physics test

[vast surge]

So that would be appropriate for the history test

[compact tartan]

I've generally heard it thrown around that you have $20k left over? and the tuition itself is like $20k? so they're paying you like $40k for teaching? not even full time?

[hallow wasp]

is it archimedes>newton>einstein

[azure kettle]

except it was in the physics test

[vast surge]

Anyway if I was a grad student could I teach like algebra or something?

[sharp mulch]

So like for me

My stipent is 28k a year

stipend

And my tuition is like

60k or something

[hallow wasp]

👀

[azure kettle]

monka

[sharp mulch]

Of course, I do not touch the 60k

The department directly gives it to the unviersity

I just get monthly payments of 28k/12

[compact tartan]

so they're effectively paying you 88k for teaching

[bronze pelican]

👀

[hallow wasp]

oof

[sharp mulch]

Yes

[hallow wasp]

28k/12 + how much free time

[compact tartan]

for teaching how many hours a week

[vast surge]

What do you teach?

[hallow wasp]

you get breaks and summers off

[sharp mulch]

I don't have my teaching assignment yet

[vast surge]

What will you teach?

[narrow rock]

[sharp mulch]

But I think it will be 4 hours of class time + office hours + prep time for like

10-20 hours a week

[hallow wasp]

thats not bad

[sharp mulch]

My stipend includes 5k specified as summer support

[compact tartan]

that's a weird rate

[hallow wasp]

thats pretty good ngl

[compact tartan]

translated to a normal 40hr week you'd be teaching calc for $200k

[vast surge]

Does being involved in clubs and extra-curricular activities help grad school apps?

[narrow rock]

depends on where you live

[hallow wasp]

byn byn

[compact tartan]

ok so I'm assuming this scheme is more or less universal?

[narrow rock]

give or take 10k

[hallow wasp]

why doent other disciplines get same treatment

[sharp mulch]

Yes cost of living adjustments

[compact tartan]

does anything change for intl people?

[sharp mulch]

Clubs/extra-curriculurs help a bit but not as much

Same for international

[vast surge]

Does dual-citizen count as international?

[compact tartan]

do you have a US citizenship?

[vast surge]

One of them

[sharp mulch]

If you have US citizenship then you aren't international

[hallow wasp]

no

[vast surge]

Then my undergrad fucked up

[compact tartan]

what if you hide the fact that you have a US citizenship

[hallow wasp]

you cant

you are given ssn

[sharp mulch]

I want to see mniip go to grad school in Texas

[compact tartan]

[sharp mulch]

So there is a super pale pasty russian kid

Who gets burnt up into a crisp

[hallow wasp]

what does pasty mean

[sharp mulch]

Pale

[hallow wasp]

pale pale russian kid?

[vast surge]

It's like a pastry but without an r.

[sharp mulch]

Yes

[vast surge]

You get them from bakeies

[narrow rock]

UT Austin let me in

[hallow wasp]

oh so its for emphasis

[sharp mulch]

mniip cannot possibly tan well

[compact tartan]

this is true

[sharp mulch]

UT Austin did not let me in

[cold needle]

i know a guy at utaustin

hes my hero

[compact tartan]

like my mom is fine

but I always get sunburns

[cold needle]

went to my undergrad

hes doing some kind of geometry

i forgot the name

it was kind of monkers

[narrow rock]

[hallow wasp]

how long has gre existed

is it like sat and have bad reputation

[vast surge]

at least 3 years

[torn willow]

How long has anime existed

[vast surge]

yes

[azure kettle]

1936

[hallow wasp]

is there a yearly gre scandal?

[azure kettle]

GRE has existed forever

[vast surge]

Second-worst thing to come out of the 1930s.

[narrow rock]

rip so it's going to be harder to get rid of it

[torn willow]

GRE is older than modern anime

[vast surge]

(the worst is WW2)

[hallow wasp]

what is modern anime?

2000's +?

[cold needle]

me

i am modern anime

[narrow rock]

etalneenya is anime

[torn willow]

Ask britannica

[sharp mulch]

[cold needle]

etalneenya

[compact tartan]

wait is metal a weeb

[sharp mulch]

That's so old

[cold needle]

nah

im not a weeb

i dont watch anime!

[narrow rock]

metal weeb

[azure kettle]

I gotta share this, it's too funny

[sharp mulch]

Metal is a furry

[narrow rock]

metal is a furry

[cold needle]

x

[vast surge]

I'm not a weeb, it's just that Revolutionary Girl Utena is the best television show of all time.

[cold needle]

Libel!

[compact tartan]

owo

[azure kettle]

utena is very high tier

[cold needle]

is cute but i am no furry

[azure kettle]

truly revolutionary show

[cold needle]

UTenas

[narrow rock]

UT enas

[vast surge]

I especially like it when she turns into a car

No its utena

[compact tartan]

that's weebery

friendship ended with metal

[cold needle]

noooooooo

[vast surge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTqHpuPX-bs

[sharp mulch]

[compact tartan]

now no one is my best friend

[cold needle]

this is so sad

[sharp mulch]

Have you considered reading Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint

Kim Dokja can be your best friend

[compact tartan]

metal hasn't even touched the mc server

[cold needle]

yeah i have been so so busy in the past month

my one week summer break started today!

i shall join the server today to check it out tho

[sharp mulch]

One week...

[cold needle]

one week…

[narrow rock]

my one week summer break ends today

[cold needle]

Kids, never sign up for 12 credits over the summer

Lesson learned.

[modest rune]

you guys got a break?

[sharp mulch]

[cold needle]

max…

[sharp mulch]

Metal making poor life choices since 2001

[modest rune]

jk i tried so little in my last quarter

that it was basically a break

[cold needle]

i wasnt even alive in 2001

[sharp mulch]

Or are you a 2002 kid

[cold needle]

ye 2002

[sharp mulch]

Oh my god

[cold needle]

i am babie

[sharp mulch]

An actual child

[narrow rock]

my gpa is a baby

[compact tartan]

12 credits? is that like 12 classes?

[cold needle]

not as much of a child as moth

4 classes

[hallow wasp]

3.5 ):

[sharp mulch]

3 or 4 classes

[compact tartan]

[cold needle]

but since its the summer everything is compressed

[sharp mulch]

mniip in credit shambles again

[cold needle]

i just did a 6 week ode speedrun

and uh

monkaS

[azure kettle]

I hate when people talk about credits, every school does credits differently smh

[compact tartan]

my transcript might not be great but it's fucking massive

[hallow wasp]

4 = 1 class is standard, keep hating it

[sharp mulch]

Quantity over quality

[vast surge]

My school does 1 credit is 1 class

[cold needle]

mniip takes every math class arc?

[vast surge]

It's generally 4 credits a semester

[azure kettle]

nothing about universities is standard

[hallow wasp]

exceptions not standard

[azure kettle]

everyone does their own shit

[hallow wasp]

curriculums?

curriculums isnt a word?

[sharp mulch]

All of my grad classes are going to be 3 units

[rancid meadow]

0.5 for a single semester makes sense

[compact tartan]

half of it isn't math

[hallow wasp]

curriculumes

[sharp mulch]

curricula

[rancid meadow]

any other system is bad

[hallow wasp]

why

[compact tartan]

math accesories moment

[narrow rock]

curriculi

[compact tartan]

if I understand correctly I'll have 240 credits when I'm done

[vast surge]

I've only taken an average of 2 math classes per semester anyway

[hallow wasp]

🟠 👨 bad

[azure kettle]

mniip is too cracked

[cold needle]

illuminati

[azure kettle]

how does one learn to become a cracked russian

[hallow wasp]

you are joking right?

[narrow rock]

ill have ~220

I think

[vast surge]

I'll probably have like 16 or so math classes by the time I graduate.

[compact tartan]

no

[hallow wasp]

so you get 15 credits per class?

[vast surge]

Oh also if I do an undergrad thesis will grad school admissions read that

[narrow rock]

i am go to harvards

[vast surge]

i am go to harvards

[hallow wasp]

if you become a parent does that make your grad school application more competitve?

[narrow rock]

if your kid is willing to TA, probably

[hallow wasp]

what if you have a kid freshman year and before senior year teach your 4 yearold calculus

[azure kettle]

I'll have 18446744073709551615 credits when I graduate

[hallow wasp]

and then apply to princeton

[vast surge]

this is the way

[azure kettle]

I had 0 credits, but then they accidentally deleted a credit and I underflowed

[hallow wasp]

overflowed

[azure kettle]

no

it's underflowed

[narrow rock]

civ 5: utoronto edition

[sharp mulch]

[neat lintel]

Is this like epsb

[vast surge]

I'm an intp

[hallow wasp]

no correciton was being made

i just said overflowed w/o context

[errant rock]

i think im estj

[errant kiln]

yee, I am an infj

[compact tartan]

no I just take 11 classes per semester

[narrow rock]

you are not rational

[hallow wasp]

mniip has 48 hours in a day

[compact tartan]

30 credits per semester, 240 in a 4 year program

[vast surge]

That can't be healthy

[neat lintel]

Sorry ECTS in english

[vagrant kestrel]

how much overlap do you have in class schedules

is it 2 classes at the same time or 3

[errant kiln]

imagine being an extrovert

[compact tartan]

actually this year is the first time it's been a problem

[hallow wasp]

Guinness world records for man with most free time goes toooo .... MNIIPP!!!

[vagrant kestrel]

[compact tartan]

but I managed to shuffle it aroun

[neat lintel]

Imagine believing in horoscopes

[errant rock]

math is astrology for people too embarrassed to admit to liking astrology

[vast surge]

You were the one who brought it up

[hallow wasp]

my school limits credits to 16, 20 if you get a waiver because taking more than 5 is stealing their money

[vagrant kestrel]

yea I had a 21 max

now I know why

[sharp mulch]

Oh yeah

[neat lintel]

It's european credit transfer and accumulation system

[sharp mulch]

Do your know your sun/moon/rising signs

[hallow wasp]

a lot of cool online universities allow unlimited class taking

[neat lintel]

Im wondering if the credits you speak of are like that

[hallow wasp]

so you can get a chemistry degree from ASU in 1 year max

[vast surge]

I would probably just legitimately die of exhaustion if I did that

[sharp mulch]

♑ ♑ ♌

I think

[azure kettle]

I've always taken 6 courses a semester

[narrow rock]

3-4

[compact tartan]

elementary category of theory sets

[sharp mulch]

[neat lintel]

Pets mniip

[vast surge]

[narrow rock]

3 is wonderful

[hallow wasp]

woat

[neat lintel]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECTS_grading_scale

[hallow wasp]

my school makes 3>=fulltime

[narrow rock]

quarter system?

[neat lintel]

60 per year, 240 for 4 years

[narrow rock]

no marlin

[vast surge]

3 classes a semester sounds nice

[sharp mulch]

Lol quarter system

[hallow wasp]

idk what quarter system means

3 months of school?

no i have 14 per semester

[errant rock]

i took 18 credit hours per term last year and did terribly 😎

[hallow wasp]

14 weeks, 1 of them is a break

[vagrant kestrel]

math classes don't have a lot of credits because you barely do anything in them

[hallow wasp]

trueing

[narrow rock]

does it not work out to be the same

[errant rock]

not true i did a personality test in one o f mine

[hallow wasp]

really!

[narrow rock]

you end up taking the same number of classes each year

[compact tartan]

@neat lintel but each credit is still like 45 hours innit

[hallow wasp]

thats a silly system

45 hours of inclass time?

or 45 hours of work in total+classtime

[compact tartan]

total total

[vast surge]

I did 5 this past year.

[errant rock]

i did badly in two math courses for not turning in hw oops

[vast surge]

I plan on doing another 9-11 math classes before I get my undergrad

[narrow rock]

sure I do think quarters are better

but if you did 3 math per quarter

that's 9 per year

approximately the same

[neat lintel]

Here I think the credits basically mean how many hours a week you're supposed to study that subject.
30 per semester, 30h a week for example

[hallow wasp]

same here brother, my analysis teacher didnt know how to give me zeroes so instead of a B-/C+ I got a B for both semesters

[neat lintel]

Not counting the classes

[vast surge]

I can do 6 math classes a year probably

[errant rock]

got a's in analysis cause i spent time on that instead of abstract algebra hw

[hallow wasp]

8 in 1 semester or 4/4?

[narrow rock]

I did 4 math per quarter freshman year

never again

lol

[hallow wasp]

lol i did inverse, all my time and got A in algebra but B in anal

[vast surge]

I burn out at the end of each semester.

I can't if I want to graduate on time

It's only slight burnout

[errant rock]

end of semester i become not rational

[vast surge]

I tend to recover from it after like 2 weeks or so

[hallow wasp]

i did 4 math 1 history last semester. my problem was that all the math class definitions were fusing together in my brain

[narrow rock]

I might have to start doing 5 classes per quarter this year

if I want the masters

[hallow wasp]

same here brother

im starting to cope saying that i dont want the masters

[neat lintel]

I dont want masters for now

[hallow wasp]

so ive been thinking about doing 4 classes on semester

[errant rock]

im doing a funded masters in a not good school

dreading it

[hallow wasp]

what is a not good school? where they dont teach

[errant rock]

should have applied to more than three phd programs

[hallow wasp]

tats cope

thats the cope i was saying for myself

[narrow rock]

[hallow wasp]

clearly a masters gives you more employability

[narrow rock]

it's not the degree

it's the program

[neat lintel]

@compact tartan be my friend

[hallow wasp]

oh well yes you are right slim

[compact tartan]

who are you

[hallow wasp]

a potential friend.

[compact tartan]

I only know one em and I don't think that's you

[narrow rock]

there's a program which allows you to get a masters simultaneously

[hallow wasp]

!

lemme here

[neat lintel]

I am Em nice to meet you

[narrow rock]

and pretty much everyone who I know who got into ucla

were in that program

[hallow wasp]

nepotism?

[narrow rock]

sure

[hallow wasp]

smells like nepotism though

[summer nest]

Is tao teaching at UCLA?

[errant rock]

is a funded masters from a terrible school okay if i have a project lined up there asking for a friend

the project is v related to my undergrad project

[narrow rock]

because I like it here?

they have algebra lol

[neat lintel]

My mom did her masters at UCLA

[compact tartan]

I wonder like,

[hallow wasp]

ok for what?

[narrow rock]

nah it's great

[hallow wasp]

okay for phd?

[errant rock]

i want a phd

[neat lintel]

@compact tartan I am Em nice to meet you

[errant rock]

im not good enough for phdeez yet

but i feel like if i pump out another paper

[hallow wasp]

i dont think that is true

[vast surge]

@neat lintel I am Em nice to meet you

[errant rock]

i will have phdeez

[neat lintel]

Hi Em

[hallow wasp]

do you want to go to popular elite phd school?

[compact tartan]

suppose hypothetically I'm not accepted into grad school, does it even make sense to reapply next year? like, are there any things I could improve given a year, considering I wouldn't be studying at uni any more?

[errant rock]

no i'll settle for a t10

[hallow wasp]

yes?

[hallow wasp]

why top 10?

[compact tartan]

outside of retaking the GRE

[vast surge]

Honestly at that point I genuinely don't know what I'd do.

[neat lintel]

You can work mniip or apply to multiple schools

[errant rock]

joking, i'm fine with anything t100

[compact tartan]

I mean, I have work lined up in that case

[hallow wasp]

why top 100

[compact tartan]

but I'd want to get into a graduate program

[errant rock]

i don't want t o spend five to six years at not top 100

[compact tartan]

even if with a delay

[vast surge]

I'm fine with anything that funds me to learn graduate mathematics.

[hallow wasp]

why

[neat lintel]

Apply to multiple locations or countries

[compact tartan]

might do independent research as well I guess

[neat lintel]

What's up my dear people?

[compact tartan]

considering I have some connections

[errant rock]

i already have elitist personality (as an estj), i need something to reaffirm it

[vast surge]

The ceiling

[narrow rock]

fake ryc

[hallow wasp]

just get money and start a society then

[devout nacelle]

Probably participation in some reading groups, projects you take up on your own, or any papers, etc. you write in this gap period count?

[hallow wasp]

that has to be good reaffirmation

[neat lintel]

that was only the annoyed bird, jesus. :D

[errant rock]

i've thought about starting a cult

[compact tartan]

what use are reading groups

[narrow rock]

to read

[neat lintel]

Depends on what you read

[compact tartan]

no like, wrt applications

[narrow rock]

you can say that you read something idk

if there's a prof supervising it

then you may get to talk to them

[compact tartan]

ah

I didn't know that's a thing

[neat lintel]

Tutor people in grad school

[hallow wasp]

why does everyone assume cult

rural livers arent cultist

[vast surge]

Because cults are awesome. I'm in one right now; I'm just hanging out on discord while my sacred brothers prepare the blood sacrifice for our Dark Lord.

[hallow wasp]

so offensive.

[errant rock]

im in a server that talk about dna ordinal a lot

i think it's a cult

[hallow wasp]

dna ordinal?

[vast surge]

I do math. I think it's a cult.

[narrow rock]

it is

[hallow wasp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfrz2r7CejY

[vast surge]

Every night I pray to Euler to watch over and to protect me

[narrow rock]

is a cult

[vast surge]

And to smite my enemies

[narrow rock]

,whohas

[fathom swallow]

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[vast surge]

And for knowledge of His unholy mathematical secrets

[errant rock]

that the one

he wanted me t o count with him, i will not partake in such paganism

[vast surge]

I would also pray to Gauss more often but He demands more blood than I can offer.

[neat lintel]

@vast surge I know Euler's secret

He read his bible daily

[vast surge]

The secrets of Euler are not written down in a bible

[neat lintel]

That's not what I said

[vast surge]

They are communicated orally, as is tradition, and outsiders to the sect who gain sacred knowledge are to be slain.

Also sometimes Euler's secrets are communicated by Divine Inspiration.

[hallow wasp]

i thought about working very hard to get into t10 school at one point. but then i realized, if only say 200 people get into this school every year, what makes me thinks ill beat them?

the answer is anime+manga

[vast surge]

The answer is all the people better than you suffering "accidents" if you join my new cult

[hallow wasp]

it isnt rational to believe that i could get in without a big headstart

[vast surge]

I'm working on making a blood-altar to Gauss.

[neat lintel]

Idolatry

[vast surge]

Nonbelievers shall be smited when the time of judgement comes upon us.

And frankly good riddance, if I have to hear one more person saying "yeah well I'm just not a math person" I'd go insane

[narrow rock]

I am go to harvards

[hallow wasp]

why keep sAYING THAT

[vast surge]

I am go to harvards

[narrow rock]

what a silly question to even consider for a moment.

[hallow wasp]

i too am harvard

https://itooamharvard.tumblr.com/

[azure kettle]

I am go to uofts.

[vagrant kestrel]

oh the harvards you'll go

[narrow rock]

I am go to uofts

[errant kiln]

i am went to kindergarten

[vast surge]

I am become death, destroyer of worlds

[errant kiln]

why did ~~feynman ~~ oppenheimer make a grammar mistake again?

[thorn brook]

I am go to pre-school

[hallow wasp]

goto iam,harvard

[vast surge]

To get to the other side

[errant kiln]

I thought about this quote for so long, but couldn't make sense of why he didn't write "have".

I am become a policeman.

[vast surge]

So first Feynman wasn't the one who said it

[thorn brook]

No, this is why the chicken crossed the road smh

[vast surge]

It was Oppenheimer

[errant kiln]

bruh

close enough

[narrow rock]

[vast surge]

Second, he was quoting the Gita, an ancient Hindu text.

[hallow wasp]

no it was issac netero

[errant kiln]

so did the hindu man make a grammar mistake?

[vast surge]

He didn't. He wrote it in Sanskrit.

[errant kiln]

so the translator made a grammar mistake?

[hallow wasp]

hindu man = hindu

[summer nest]

🤔

[vast surge]

Also his name was Vyasa, he wasn't just "the hindu man".

[narrow rock]

hindu woman = hindu man woman

[summer nest]

[hallow wasp]

no.

[summer nest]

What are you talking about

[hallow wasp]

hindu man woman = hindu wo

[torn willow]

Yes

[hallow wasp]

bhgavad gita is my man.

the text of gods

its more concise if it was "I death, destroyer of worlds"

[errant kiln]

[hallow wasp]

who invented pbjs

its weird to think nutbutter and jam mix so well on bread

[summer nest]

Numberphile videos are illusive

[hallow wasp]

why, because 1+2+3+...=-1/12 which is true

[summer nest]

I don't know how to explain

[sleek wing]

Illusive in what way

[summer nest]

I... Umm...

Makes you think now you know stuff but opening a maths book the next second makes you feel like an idiot

[sleek wing]

Yeah they’re very good at talking about nothing at all but making it seem like it’s something

[errant kiln]

Just assume that you know nothing at all, you can only be pleasantly surprised.

[hallow wasp]

thats all of pop math

i watched a documentary about astrophysics supposedly

[sleek wing]

I don’t need to assume

[hallow wasp]

its so cringe

[sleek wing]

All popsci and pop math should be outlawed

[hallow wasp]

mass media entertainment should be outlawed

everyone should live in a hut

[sleek wing]

True!!!

[hallow wasp]

if my waifu hasnt lived in a hut for 2/3rd her life im divorcing

ill only consider a long marriage if they watched copius amounts of anime and manga

[sleek wing]

Cringe!

All cringe should be outlawed

[hallow wasp]

sometimes math is cringe

[sleek wing]

Too bad...

[limber thunder]

how are you supposed to watch anime in a hut

[hallow wasp]

rammanujan found a way

[limber thunder]

which is presumably located in a remote are without electricity

[sleek wing]

It’s called “theatre”

[hallow wasp]

you dont think uncle ted watched anime?

Heh, youll know the truth when you are older kid.

[limber thunder]

no but osama bin laden did

[hallow wasp]

rest in peace.

[sleek wing]

Osama bin doing what? 🤣🤣🤣

[frozen merlin]

i missed the discussion about GRE, but apparently "GRE scores are valid for five years after the test date". is there any disadvantage to taking it earlier than the year you're applying? (like, do colleges care if the score is recent?)

[viscid pecan]

@velvet dagger what would you consider reasonable expectations? My expectation is that I don’t expect to get into a grad program. I am happy with the recreational pursuit of what I’m doing with mathematics

My worry is that I have enough time to myself with regard to managing my finances overtime

[hallow wasp]

no

[summer nest]

Also these people in the videos make that stuff look like it's a piece of cake

[hallow wasp]

they dont discuss proofs

[summer nest]

Like this efficient approximation of irrational numbers

[summer nest]

Good point

[viscid pecan]

Hey pawtato where is your math rn

I recently made a baby rudin study group

[neat lintel]

rudin

[summer nest]

Hey man, it's dead in the waters for now though. Have had exams till few days ago and I'm still at calc 2 beginning, Vector spaces intro, and I have some very basic set theory to cover because I didn't learn it in school

[thorn brook]

alsa-topology?

[sleek wing]

asia-topology

[velvet dagger]

@viscid pecan I mean yeah I was thinking more like, don't expect a top 20 program if you don't have a nice nice record. Be willing to apply to a wide range of schools

[narrow rock]

or do this

[neat lintel]

[narrow rock]

fake ryc

there's a fake gomez and a fake ryc

when will there be a fake brofibration

[sharp mulch]

[sleek wing]

Ultra acting zany tonite...

[crystal stone]

can you banh me a sandwich

[narrow rock]

,banh moonbears

[fathom swallow]

You don't have the required permissions to ban members here!

Jun 20, 2021, 11:36 PM

[viscid pecan]

I get that but is there even a shot if I manage to pull off a really good portfolio and really nice rec letters for a top 20?

And let’s say I score really well on math GRE

[bronze pelican]

what about her?

[velvet dagger]

@viscid pecan not gonna say it's impossible but the majority of your places shouldn't be top 20 at this point

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but it's rough. Not gonna say to not even bother applying but if you've got 15 slots

Maybe 3-4 of them can be top 20

Because your competition is just steep

[viscid pecan]

I’m not thinking of applying for the next few years anyway Dami

My blog will be my portfolio for the most part

But I mean I’m not expecting to get into grad school

It’s a shot in the dark in case anything really works out that way for me

Yea but I think the kind of program I will probably be interested in is a math PhD biology research focused program

So that limits my range of schools to apply to

That’s why I’m saying it’s mostly a shot in the dark

[sacred geyser]

like computational stuff or

[viscid pecan]

Theoretical/experimental/computational yea

[sacred geyser]

i remember reading into some biology/math REU things like a few months ago i thought it was neat

[viscid pecan]

I plan on attending online seminars soon but not now

I’m pretty occupied with the catch-up learning game for shit I should know at a graduate level

Or post undergrad level

Like I’m proud of how far I’ve come but I really need to be consistent and keep going with how I’m progressing and I’m focusing on where I should be improving

Right now I’m just full force real analysis. I’m not really struggling with anything else

[sacred geyser]

ive been trying to build up my self-study habits by reading hatcher

[bronze pelican]

I like taking notes in OneNote

not even hand written notes

just typed notes with screenshots from a textbook pdf

its like MS Paint but better, since you can just click anywhere and type

[sacred geyser]

ive used OneNote a few times but couldn't figure out how i wanted to use it, i type much faster than i can write so

i might try that

[atomic hornet]

@viscid pecan try emailing faculty members and asking them for advice

Ppl who work at programs you want to attend

[viscid pecan]

Yea that’s part of the plan

I need to really get my math to where it needs to be. That’s priority.

Then flex out to professors so they will give me their time of day

Even if it takes me 4+ more years. I will be that one ignorant SOB that will take their time to make sure they can compete with other math PhD students for a niche program

Well a combination of stubborn and knowing that I am obviously probably a bit ignorant about it

But honestly I got nothing else to lose. I more or less want to study math as much as I can

[atomic hornet]

Flexing wont really work just seem interesting.

[viscid pecan]

Yea that’s what I mean

[atomic hornet]

If you want to do bio related stuff you peobably dont need to much math

[forest jackal]

trying to flex will rub most the wrong way.

[viscid pecan]

It doesn’t seem like there is that much to compete with cuz how many people that are really into math want to work in theoretical areas of biology/physics research

[atomic hornet]

Theoretical physics a ton of people who like math do that

[viscid pecan]

Most people are going on the bioinformatics train

[atomic hornet]

And youll have a ton of catching up to do

[nimble shuttle]

you are your own competition

[atomic hornet]

Biology im not sure but mathbio is pretty big ngl

[viscid pecan]

Yea I am not having much trouble with physics surprisingly, that includes chemistry

[sacred geyser]

jealous

[viscid pecan]

Well how does one come off as interesting

[atomic hornet]

I meant interested

[viscid pecan]

I’m a bad people person

[atomic hornet]

Apply to funded math masters

They like bad people

[viscid pecan]

Huh what kind of question is that.

[neat lintel]

There is essentially no way for you to learn enough on your own that a prof would view you as a peer, so I think flexing surely would come off as arrogance instead of confidence

[viscid pecan]

You get what I mean lol

[atomic hornet]

Copypaster

[neat lintel]

that's what the C in TTerra stands for

[atomic hornet]

🤥

[viscid pecan]

How does one network properly with professors they never met IRL

[atomic hornet]

Email

😮

[viscid pecan]

Yea but like how do you like… you get what I mean

[sacred geyser]

yeah i cold emailed a prof i work with now

[atomic hornet]

Some may not answer

[viscid pecan]

Is there proper formalities to this?

[atomic hornet]

Youd briefly explain that yourw interested in blank and your background is blank

[light needle]

what exactly are you hoping to achieve by contacting profs?

[atomic hornet]

What did you do your undergrad in?

[neat lintel]

show up to their house on valentines day with flowers and cake

[light needle]

thonk

[neat lintel]

[sharp mulch]

"Hi Prof. [blank]

I am a student interested in your work. I've read [papers] and find them interesting. My background is [stuff]. I was looking to learn more about this area, do you have any suggestions?

Best,
[Name]"

[atomic hornet]

If they want to do bio related stuff these profs may be willing to take them on

In their group or something

[sharp mulch]

There

[light needle]

i see ig

[sharp mulch]

I've written an email

[bronze pelican]

Im stealing this

[sacred geyser]

I've read papers and find them interesting

[atomic hornet]

other disciplines are diff than msth

[sharp mulch]

Maybe reword that bit

[neat lintel]

im stealing this

[light needle]

I'm stealing this.

fuck

[neat lintel]

[atomic hornet]

I emailed engineering profs and they were excited that i emailed and i was talking to them about potentially working w them

[light needle]

I'm stealing this.

[atomic hornet]

Math profs basically say i have no say in admissions

[sharp mulch]

You can also ask something like "Do you have any problems do you think that I might be able to tackle?"

[atomic hornet]

Math just sucks

Funding is shite

[sharp mulch]

But this question is better asked after non-trivial prior correspondence

[sacred geyser]

i did this

[sharp mulch]

Well

I did as well

[atomic hornet]

What did this person do their undergrad in

[sharp mulch]

During my undergrad

[vagrant kestrel]

you say "hit me with your best shot"

[atomic hornet]

Person with cat pciture

[sharp mulch]

But I feel like professors treat students at their own institution differently

[sacred geyser]

yeah he was a prof at my institution

[sharp mulch]

Compared to randos from elsewhere

Oh

Maybe not

[atomic hornet]

@viscid pecan what was your undergrad degree in?

[bronze pelican]

are you disagreeing with your own post that you made seconds ago

ange

[sharp mulch]

What

[light needle]

[atomic hornet]

👺

[light needle]

I should go spam some proff for research

[atomic hornet]

Yea

[light needle]

Light mode????

[atomic hornet]

Email Terence tao

[bronze pelican]

ange disagreeing with himself

[light needle]

its ultra

[neat lintel]

who? i can't read any name

[bronze pelican]

oh

🤦‍♂️

[light needle]

hello northbound ultramentarian

[bronze pelican]

all yellow names look the same

you cant blame me

[atomic hornet]

No friggen way slimvesus

How

But was it on ur transcripts?

Well then it wasnt a course

[neat lintel]

[atomic hornet]

No evidence you ever took it so didnt happen😐

[neat lintel]

[atomic hornet]

[sacred geyser]

"i choose to believe it did not happen 😌"

[atomic hornet]

Ok epic

🤠

[blazing pawn]

how do u think grad app committees would respond to him mentioning it lol

"hmm mayhaps they are simply lying."

[sacred geyser]

yup

[viscid pecan]

I have a Social Sciences BA and Comp Sci BSc

[sharp mulch]

The BA vs BS distinction is not important

[bronze pelican]

slim is just a poser pretending to have done a reading course with a professor outside of their undergrad

[viscid pecan]

Honestly I’ve been thinking of wording it like this

[light needle]

slim is a highschooler

[neat lintel]

[viscid pecan]

Hey John

[neat lintel]

t. highschooler

hijacking this channel to promote my MSE question and to denounce do carmo's book writing abilities

[deep mango]

it all comes out.

pugh was actually good all along

tterra just decides to hate book authors for arbitrary reasons.

[atomic hornet]

In the US?

Why dont you do a cs phd?

Can do a ton of math

And bio related stuff too

[sharp mulch]

[viscid pecan]

Eh I’m not really interested in the CS route atm

Feel like I got what I wanted out of it and just want to move on

Again I prematurely went to college coming out of HS and one of the things I feel I wish I did was waited until I got my shit together. But at the time I thought going to college was part of getting my shit together

Peer pressure makes life confusing sometimes but I did appreciate some of the moments of completing the programs I was in. It’s just not an area of interest for me rather than at the time I was exploring what I could become interested in.

[hallow wasp]

blatantly false dont spread lies

ctrl h, good,decent

[neat lintel]

[viscid pecan]

Is it true TTerra?

[hallow wasp]

vouching for ttera

reasons aren’t arbitrary

[viscid pecan]

Reasons are not unreasonable. Or are they?

[neat lintel]

i was projecting my disdain for my bad analysis course onto the book

[devout nacelle]

Pugh ew

[neat lintel]

i don't like pugh. but i will acknowledge that it's decent in some areas

[devout nacelle]

It's probably a good repository of questions

But I didn't like the pedagogy, not for a first self-read at least

"Proof. Easy! followed by 10 lines of nontrivial jargon"

[neat lintel]

proof: obvious from figure 123 (figure 123 has a detailed proof in the caption)

[sacred geyser]

some of the questions were kind of fun? idk my prof liked to give weird questions for real analysis which i liked

[devout nacelle]

I would have liked Pugh for a class, but I mostly judge books by how readable they are on my own

[sacred geyser]

i like the topic choice more than the writing

[forest jackal]

what "first course in analysis" books do you like then @devout nacelle ?

[deep mango]

Manan. You're supposed to have a future in analysis.

Don't do this to me

[devout nacelle]

I'm almost done with Tao's Analysis volume 1

[deep mango]

Don't turn analysis into organized drivel

It needs to be disorganized

[devout nacelle]

I keep jumping around too

[neat lintel]

my analysis class's lectures were word for word, page for page out of pugh

so bad

[deep mango]

Manan is the harbinger of a new generation of algebra brained analysts

[forest jackal]

case in point, my desk at home and in the office is always messy as fuck haha

[devout nacelle]

But Tao's Analysis I've worked out almost cover to cover at this point, skipping some infinite sets jargon

[deep mango]

Well that's dumb

[devout nacelle]

[deep mango]

Ok actually

That was pughs class too

But it was actually him

[neat lintel]

[deep mango]

So it worked

[devout nacelle]

I do keep jumping around, like I read a bit about dynamical systems and thought some of the ideas are very neat

[sacred geyser]

tterra were you the one who posted your very unhappy course eval for analysis

[devout nacelle]

I'll also start with measure theory and complex analysis by the end of next month

[sacred geyser]

i think my prof more or less just used pugh for topics and questions but we barely followed it to the word

that reminds me

"The book's proof is like refined sugar, mine is much more like molasses... or maybe brown rice syrup. I don't know where I'm going with this, I'll just start writing the proof..." - my analysis prof

[devout nacelle]

Based prof

[sacred geyser]

i do research with him hes based af

which reminds me i don't know anything abt von neumann algebras and kind of want to read about it

[devout nacelle]

Are you a grad student?

[sacred geyser]

he does functional analysis but the thing we're working on is kind of tangential so i don't need to know it

nah

[devout nacelle]

I see

[sacred geyser]

yeah we work more in like semidefinite programming in quantum info

[devout nacelle]

Sounds like fancy stuff

[deep mango]

[sacred geyser]

i should probably ask about that in the recommendations channel

[sacred geyser]

not as bad as it sounds, we spent like a few weeks trying to find a counterexample to prove two functions weren't equal only to accidentally prove they were equal

[devout nacelle]

Lmfaoooooo

[toxic schooner]

[toxic schooner]

[sacred geyser]

i tried like 400 cases computationally only for them to exactly equal every single time

mfw

[devout nacelle]

[sacred geyser]

[toxic schooner]

interesting that i hear about ur work, only after wondering if people prove something they were hoping to disprove

[toxic schooner]

[sacred geyser]

yeah we were really hoping for them not to equal bc it would have been way cooler if they didn't

that pensive benzene is fantastic btw

[toxic schooner]

ikr

[toxic schooner]

You, to the functions:
Be a lot cooler if u did Didnt

[sacred geyser]

i guess for a lot of big theorems, ppl want to prove something and then accidentally disprove it, but in our case it was the opposite

[toxic schooner]

well, this will be something u will profoundly remember

[sacred geyser]

yeah its neat doing research

[viscid pecan]

Just use a function and a multifunction case

Perhaps they won’t be equal

[sacred geyser]

nah its pretty certain

[viscid pecan]

Have you tried

[toxic schooner]

yea

i wanna do that as well

[viscid pecan]

This sounds interesting

[sacred geyser]

we have a lower and upper bound on a function F, so a <= F <= b

[toxic schooner]

but cant

[sacred geyser]

we proved a = b

[toxic schooner]

whats a multifunction?

[toxic schooner]

oh, so the function has only 1 value?

[sacred geyser]

well a and b are functions

but a and b equal on every input

[viscid pecan]

https://planetmath.org/multifunction

[toxic schooner]

oh, i c

i assumed they were the values the function F took

[sacred geyser]

also the domain is discrete

[sharp mulch]

The internet makes multifunctions seem more relevant than they actually are

[sacred geyser]

they are graphs