serious-discussion

[neat lintel]

brother

[errant kiln]

brother

[dense belfry]

Life is strange 1 was lit

I need to continue playing life is strange 2 at some point

[narrow rock]

2 life 2 strange

[errant kiln]

Yes, it was the best life is strange.

Life is Strange 2 made me angry.

The annoying little brother constantly destroyed everything you had built up.

The whole plot was weird anyway.

They should've just waited for the police to arrive.

[cold needle]

hello friends

[errant kiln]

hello

friend

[cold needle]

in the ode class we touched on some fourier and functional analysis tip of iceberg things

i am kind of excited for analysis now

[bronze pelican]

Yay

Fourier theory and func anal are both lit

[light needle]

fun anal

[neat lintel]

func tion

[neat lintel]

This

Rina Tteppas

[neat lintel]

[azure kettle]

my work is sending me a computer for work stuff

it has 128 gb of RAM

:^)

[neat lintel]

steal it

[azure kettle]

well I have it for over a year

we'll see about stealing it after that

[neat lintel]

[sharp mulch]

Only 128

[rancid meadow]

christ poros

what are you doing that needs that much ram?

or do you have an NDA

[azure kettle]

I mean I'm working with homomorphic encryption

and the ciphertexts are elements of polynomial rings

with like degrees in the tens of thousands

with massive coefficients

and you have to store the ciphertexts in RAM

you need a lot of RAM when you have to work with a lot of them

[rancid meadow]

Do you work w/ Julia or some other sci computing lang?

[sharp mulch]

lol Julia

[azure kettle]

I work with C++

[rancid meadow]

I don't know many sci langs ange

[azure kettle]

it's just good old C++ for me

no scientific computing languages or anything

some python to prototype certain stuff

[sharp mulch]

People either use Fortran/C/C++ or Python

Basically

For scientific computing

[rancid meadow]

no one with a choice in the matter uses Fortran I hope

just for legacy stuff?

[azure kettle]

Python*

*with a purely C/C++/Fortran library doing literally all the work

[neat lintel]

write that shit to disk :)))))

[rancid meadow]

[azure kettle]

it's already turbo slow as shit

[neat lintel]

MORE SWAP

[azure kettle]

if I write it to disk might take the heat death of the universe before I get any meaningful results

[neat lintel]

me, compiling the rust compiler™️ on my rpi 4:

[azure kettle]

rust

[neat lintel]

rust is a good language

[sharp mulch]

[broken scaffold]

rust is a good language

[neat lintel]

it's C but without that shitass memory unsafe shit

[sacred geyser]

seeing this makes me glad i just have to use matlab for now

[azure kettle]

rust might be decent, just doesn't have the community support

to make it useful enough

[sacred geyser]

that actually sounds really nice

[azure kettle]

to use in a lot of cases

[broken scaffold]

it is growing, however

[neat lintel]

🤔
https://github.com/fdehau/tui-rs

[azure kettle]

it sounds nice until you have to spam unsafe in rust

to get it to do what you need it to do

[broken scaffold]

then chagne what you need to do

[neat lintel]

the rust community are basically linux users

[azure kettle]

that github proves literally nothing, C/C++ has decades of just libraries and shit

that just literally cannot be replicated

for rust

[neat lintel]

they yell "RUST GOOD"

[azure kettle]

C/C++ are by no means perfect languages

but they're also not replacable by rust

[neat lintel]

has decades of just libraries bloat

[azure kettle]

like how rust users like to claim

[broken scaffold]

you can replace any language.

[azure kettle]

no

[broken scaffold]

...

[neat lintel]

fuck C# go back to machine code

[azure kettle]

we haven't even managed to replace FORTRAN lmfao

good luck replacing C/C++ kekw

[broken scaffold]

it's literally been done

[azure kettle]

for sure man

totally

[broken scaffold]

ok I'm talking theory

[azure kettle]

ya bro in theory I can actually do literally anything

[neat lintel]

fortran is fucking useful for distributed computing/supercomputers smh.
we're literally not saying that rust is replacing C/C++. We're saying that for most practical purposes, rust is good enough for what you want to generally do

[sharp mulch]

Fortran has not been replaced

[azure kettle]

that's the issue, for most practical purposes you can't replace C/C++ with rust

[neat lintel]

i mean I'm sure that some people out here use B

[azure kettle]

because of some of the libraries and shit that don't really have rust support

or for like 99.9999....(infinitely more 9s)% of embedded systems stuff

[broken scaffold]

yes in practice we use cpp

and it's garbage, but in practice it's the best!

[neat lintel]

rust is not designed for embedded, ffs it's memory safe

[azure kettle]

ya bro in theory if we just uhh rewrote like the entire codebase that makes people use C/C++ in rust, then people would use rust

[sacred geyser]

i used to know a guy who programmed a lot in i think D or F

[azure kettle]

great theory

[neat lintel]

just use bash

[broken scaffold]

idek why I join discussions about languages

someone should slap me every time

[azure kettle]

maybe if rust existed like 30 years before it did

would've been nicer

for the world

[broken scaffold]

I would like computer science a lot more if we hadn't invented computers yet

#borninthewrongera

[azure kettle]

[sacred geyser]

y'all using the word "replace" in two very different contexts

[azure kettle]

you can still do computer science without dealing with actual computers

[broken scaffold]

yes ideally they wouldn't even exist tho
so I don't have to talk to anyone about practice

[azure kettle]

[broken scaffold]

and we can all just talk about formal things

[azure kettle]

no one forced you to talk about rust

[broken scaffold]

ik

[neat lintel]

ah yes, a fellow george boole follower

[broken scaffold]

it's a bad habit

[neat lintel]

rust users are like linux users; we just have to tell everyone about the holiness of our things

[broken scaffold]

I don't even use rust yet am still a zealot for it

[broken scaffold]

what was his thing

besides booleans, apparently

[velvet dagger]

Oh no did someone say C?

I'm outta here

[dense belfry]

You can just talk about formal computers

Without actually touching a computer

(that's what I do)

[sick burrow]

the most based form of cs

My opinion on cs has always been that it would be better if it wasn't for all the computers

Like the theory is cool, installing shit and reading documentation maybe not so much

[rancid meadow]

just call that part implementation details and stick to the theory

[fringe needle]

First STEP test in 3h, wish me luck

[devout nacelle]

Goodluck!!!

[narrow rock]

good luck

[torn willow]

Viel Glück

[torn willow]

If real CS in anything like what I saw in CS books like the Dino OS book, definitely no

That felt so boring and abstract to me

I have tried to follow CS lectures,but they felt "too arbitrary" in a sense

[mortal oasis]

what do you mena

mean

[neat lintel]

there's fun parts in cs as well

[torn willow]

It just felt like I needed to learn something entirely new when the professor started speaking anything

[mortal oasis]

like it just felt disconnected?

[torn willow]

Yes

[mortal oasis]

ah thats fair

i see

[undone wren]

that's good isn't it? when you know what you need to learn

[torn willow]

I don't really

[undone wren]

it's worse when you want to do something and you don't know what you need to learn

[torn willow]

I think I would be better just learning it by doing

Instead of listening to some guy telling me what to do

[undone wren]

well, you only get good explanations and lessons when the things you are learning are elementary or basic

the more complex or new, the less information is out there

but googling stuff usually gives you applications of what you want to do

[lean glacier]

does any1 know a good discord server for tech? win10-focused if possible

[naive stirrup]

i know too late but gl, step 2?

[atomic hornet]

Thats 1 subfield of cs

[neat lintel]

compootador science

[atomic hornet]

Compootdor science is coo

[neat lintel]

:(

error: failed to run rustc to learn about target-specific information
dame da ne dame yo dame na no yo

[thorn brook]

Ladies and gentlemen

[torn willow]

And knuckles

[thorn brook]

I am happy to announce that sip2 has just been dropped

[toxic schooner]

[woeful locust]

[thorn brook]

ladies, gentlemen and buncho dragons

I am happy to announce that sip3 has just been dropped

[toxic schooner]

another one?

already?

wow

[thorn brook]

yes I'm working fast and hard

[toxic schooner]

amazing

[sharp mulch]

[toxic schooner]

[fringe needle]

So im finished with step 2, was sort of okay but one thing really makes me curious: I believe the question was about the Lambert W function and somehow the question hinted to getting multiple solutions to equations but I could only ever get one. For example 2xlnx+1=0 I got x = -1/2W(-1/2) but apparently wolfram disagrees. What's that all about?

[chilly smelt]

Did you get to take the paper home?

That’s cause W is multivalued on wolfram. It has different branches

But why is it in STEP 2 when the solutions are complex

It should have been a graph sketching one I’m guessing. And you argue by a sketch that it crosses twice

That one may have only had one solution, but maybe the latter part would be a similar one but with multiple solutions

[vast surge]

Is there any job that's just doing math? I'm halfway through my undergrad and panicking because I didn't get any research this summer nor last summer, so I have one left to get research. If I don't, I think next year I want to do an internship, so that I'll at least have something to occupy my time, but I don't know what internship job I would get. Things like actuary, business analyst, etc. don't really appeal to me that much, and I have some ethical issues with using math to spy on people for the NSA.

And beyond that I genuinely don't know what jobs people with math degrees get

[limber thunder]

I guess you'd need to learn additional skills other than doing math for any of these jobs anyway

[rancid meadow]

A job doing just math is quite a luxury I think

you can get a programming job or similar quite easily

[limber thunder]

pretty much the reason why it's hard to get a position at a math department really

[vast surge]

If I knew how to program. My method right now is "ask for help if I need to program something"

And I've spent the past couple weeks trying really hard to learn even the utmost basics.

[surreal sapphire]

i dont think the NSA uses math to spy on people

it just spies on people but also employs some mathematicians for unrelated reasons

[vast surge]

Oh. What are those unrelated reasons?

[surreal sapphire]

they are interested into more foundational questions around cryptography i guess

the actual spying isnt hard

[devout nacelle]

Developing methods which would be eventually used by others to spy on people

[surreal sapphire]

if you get issues of legality out of the way

[vast surge]

Huh. So it would be lots of number theory and abstract algebra, basically?

[surreal sapphire]

probably

it's not really known

those people cannot talk about their jobs

i heard they employ lots of algebraic topologists for some reason

[vast surge]

And I guess they don't publish lots of papers, right?

[surreal sapphire]

they do not

their work is classified

[rancid meadow]

There's a user here doing some "serious" work within cryptography

[surreal sapphire]

tbh lots of mathematicians that are employed by them probably do not do math

[fringe needle]

we sketched a graph but only for x>1 so the principal branch

[vast surge]

Yeah. I'd love to just look for a job that's as close to doing math as possible.

[fringe needle]

maybe 2xlnx + 1=0 wasnt one of the multivalued ones we were meant ot get keep in mind we were looking for real sols

[ancient geyser]

is the integration of 0dx , 0 or c

thonk

[surreal sapphire]

there is some research in crypto that is very close to math

[fringe needle]

there was also 3xlnx+1=0, and two other ones i cant remember

[surreal sapphire]

but that's research again

[sleek wing]

it's a constant :troll:

[chilly smelt]

If you can accurately type up some of the questions you remember (if any) I can solve any STEP question @fringe needle

[surreal sapphire]

proving theorems is not useful to industry in general

[devout nacelle]

0. Even graphically, the area under curve is exactly 0 because the function coincides with x axis.

[vast surge]

Yeah. My number 1 goal would be to just try and get research; I'm mostly looking for backups.

[ancient geyser]

ah ok

another ques

[surreal sapphire]

first thing you should do is learn programming

[ancient geyser]

is the integration of 5 , 5x +c , or 5x+5c lmao

indefinite integration

[sleek wing]

5x+c and 5x+5c are the same

[ancient geyser]

wot

[sleek wing]

cause c is arbitrary

[ancient geyser]

oh

damn

it was confusing me phew

[vast surge]

I'm going to take a course in it next semester, because self-teaching just genuinely does not work for programming for me it seems.

[sleek wing]

what language you thinking of learning

[chilly smelt]

@fringe needle that second one has two solutions. Nice problem

[torn willow]

Why would you think a course will be interesting

[vast surge]

Python, java, javascript, C, Haskell, Lisp, Basic, HTML - it really doesn't matter.

[sleek wing]

HTML

[torn willow]

[blazing pawn]

if it isnt working than ur method is probably not good

[sleek wing]

all the other ones are fine though lol

[torn willow]

You can learn html in one day

But nothing else even comes close to that

[vast surge]

Clearly. But I'm just using the same method that I use to teach myself math, and it's a method that works for math.

[blazing pawn]

presumably too much time reading and not enough time writing code and applying what you've read

[sleek wing]

^

programming is far more hands on then maths

[torn willow]

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML

This is all the html theory you need

[sleek wing]

yeah HTML is a markup language not a programming language

[vast surge]

Wait, I know a bit of TikZ. Is TikZ turing complete?

[sleek wing]

that's the latex thing right?

[surreal sapphire]

it is turing complete

[sleek wing]

cause I know latex is turing complete but so is pokemon yellow

so it's not the most useful metric

[vast surge]

So I know one programming language.

[surreal sapphire]

latex is turing complete due to tikz i think

you can basically build a NAND gate

and then you're done

[sleek wing]

ah

[torn willow]

Programming languages should be less horrible than tikz

[fringe needle]

so how do the two solutions come about?

[blazing pawn]

someone wrote a BASIC compiler in latex once apparently

which is pretty funny

[sleek wing]

"do you know any programming languages"
"yes! I can perform arbitrary code execution in SMB3"

[chilly smelt]

You can’t solve for them directly, you can just prove their existence

[fringe needle]

i see

[surreal sapphire]

this makes me wonder

[fringe needle]

but is the solution x = -1/3W(-1/3) good?

[surreal sapphire]

if there is a good book that introduces abstract algebra/number theory with lots of hands on stuff in sage or wtv

[chilly smelt]

If they’ve introduced that notation in the previous part

Yeah

[vast surge]

If there's a bustle in your hedge row, don't be alarmed now
It's just a spring clean for the may queen
Yes there are two paths you can go down, but in the long run
There's still time to change the road you're on

[fringe needle]

in it it's g but yeah

okay great tht's good to know

so how does existence come about, im curious

[vast surge]

In all seriousness (i.e. not Led Zeppelin lyrics) Elementary Number Theory by William Stein, but I just copy-pasted the sage from the book for all the problems and changed the numbers slightly.

[chilly smelt]

I’m not speaking as to what is expected in the question because Idk what the question is

But you can use IVT

[fringe needle]

how so?

cause yeah they hinted to only showing existence cause if there's 2 sols you have to say if the one you found is smaller or greater than the other one

[chilly smelt]

Rearrange to x^3 = e^(-1/x)

And you can see it crosses it twice

[surreal sapphire]

if i ever teach intro NT i will do so with lots of code and computations

[fringe needle]

hmm i see

i dont think i would have gotten that

but good to know

thanks a bunch

i didnt quite finish all my questions but im more confident now at least since i know the solutions i got were correct

[chilly smelt]

It might of not been expected from you, don’t stress about it

[fringe needle]

im not even if i dont pass this is helping me a lot realize my strengths and weaknesses

i feel like im much better at spending time on a question than time constrained ones

[chilly smelt]

Doing step makes you better regardless. I bet those who even just took step have a much smoother time at undergrad

[fringe needle]

yeah exactly

anyways thanks a bunch for the help

[opal sleet]

<@&268886789983436800>

Someone is DMing me for help, never told them they could

[tall badge]

despite being unsolicited, there's not much that's punishable. feel free to block them

also please use modmail for future reference

[surreal sapphire]

you can also disable dms from people on this server completely

(that are not on your friends list or share another server with you)

[fringe needle]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[cold needle]

great movie

great scene

[fringe needle]

i cant remember what the movie is though i know ive seen it

isnt it the one with the many western stories

forgot the name

[cold needle]

ballad of buster scruggs?

[fringe needle]

yeah that

[forest island]

.my phone died at 100percent

What

[opal sleet]

Ok

[velvet dagger]

F

[crystal stone]

@velvet dagger @forest jackal @sharp mulch @deep mango any of y'all going to the IECM For Analysis/PDEs?

[sharp mulch]

What is this

[deep mango]

no clue what that is

[sharp mulch]

Same

[narrow rock]

probably a deez nuts joke

[sharp mulch]

A cursory search also doesn't turn anything up

[deep mango]

looking it up i see nothing immediately

[narrow rock]

please be a deez nutz joke

[crystal stone]

international european congress of mathematics

8th one

[narrow rock]

[deep mango]

https://www.8ecm.si/

?

[crystal stone]

yUh

[deep mango]

welp

now i wish i was!

[crystal stone]

I think you can just sign up

[deep mango]

oh it's probably virtual

no

[devout nacelle]

Fly away, you're a bird.

[deep mango]

i don't care about math

[crystal stone]

I'll be at the PDEs, alternating between the harmonic analysis-pde and the elliptic stuff

[deep mango]

i just care about going to slovenia

[crystal stone]

oh yeah, no I can't go in person

[sharp mulch]

Oh

I am not attending

Shame about Slovenia though

Is it all online

[crystal stone]

they have in person stuff

[deep mango]

seems to be quite expensive

[sharp mulch]

Wait Alfio Quarteroni is giving a plenary talk

[crystal stone]

they encouraged us to go but I uhh

[sharp mulch]

What a shame

[narrow rock]

quaternioni

[deep mango]

the online chess tournament was cancelled

[crystal stone]

I can't blow money on a trip to europe rn

[sharp mulch]

He wrote a seminal paper on 1d fsi

Formaggia et al

Quarteroni is part of the et al

[crystal stone]

I don't recognize any european analysts

cuz all I do stuff is w/ Americans

[narrow rock]

euler btfo

[sharp mulch]

I have a vaccine so I wouldn't need to quarantine

Am I going to Slovenia in 5 days???

Ah wait no nevermind

In person registration has ended

[deep mango]

they literally have vaughan jones on the list of speakers

[sharp mulch]

ECM is presumably a big deal

[neat lintel]

i saw jones and i was like "uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"

[sharp mulch]

As big a deal as JMM

[deep mango]

maybe he was planned to speak?

[sharp mulch]

I would totally go if I had more notice

5 days is a bit short

But like

2 weeks

Would definitely have been maybe

[deep mango]

would you?

[sharp mulch]

Well

If I had registered in time

But like

Why not~~

[deep mango]

[nimble shuttle]

literally be silent

[sharp mulch]

Don't you want to spend a week in ~Croatia~ ?

[crystal stone]

Could you afford it ange?

[deep mango]

i will be spending a week in corsica

i don't need to spend a week in croatia

ange, i'm trying to figure out if i should go early and enjoy somewhere else for a week

[sharp mulch]

So lucky

[deep mango]

it's expensive to fly to and from corsica directly

[sharp mulch]

Of course

You'll stop in Paris probably

[deep mango]

so i might stop in barcelona, or in paris, or in marseille

[sharp mulch]

Air France will fly JFK - Paris

[deep mango]

yes

[sharp mulch]

Do they fly JFK - Marseille?

[deep mango]

i don't know

oh, geneva was another option

i kind of would prefer something coastal

[sharp mulch]

Iberia might fly JFK - Barcelona

[deep mango]

i don't really care about paris

yeah that was the option there

[sharp mulch]

What about a week in Germany

[deep mango]

barcelona is cheap to get to

well

i'm going to tell holtz

[sharp mulch]

I guess Lufthansa wouldn't fly from Germany to Corsica

[deep mango]

and see what she thinks

i mean i would like to go somewhere new

[sharp mulch]

How about Ireland

[deep mango]

and preferably quite mediterranean

hmm

it's a possibility

[sharp mulch]

Do you want Mediterranean

[deep mango]

yes

[sharp mulch]

Why not Mallorca

[deep mango]

i wanted to go back to italy

but i also thought it would be fun to take the ferry to corsica

and the ferries from italy go to the wrong side

[sharp mulch]

[deep mango]

corsica doesn't seem to have much transit

so

[sharp mulch]

ECM is 6/21 to 6/25

This is not the time to impulsively go to Europe

I must control the impulses

[deep mango]

barcelona has a lot of nice architectural sights

[sharp mulch]

Oh yes

The Sagrada Familia

Gaudi

[deep mango]

i would really like a warm place with pretty beaches and cool architecture

but it will be summer so it might be too warm

[sharp mulch]

It will be very hot

[deep mango]

it says the average high in august is 84 F

not hot at all

[pale orchid]

what is 84 F in C

[deep mango]

probably 30ish

[pale orchid]

oof almost 29

too hot

[neat lintel]

,wolfram 84f

[bronze pelican]

I officially graduated

Finally

[deep mango]

mechanical rams

yay!

[pale orchid]

congrats!

[deep mango]

[pale orchid]

,w 84°F to C

[fathom swallow]

Results provided by WolframAlpha

Click here to refine your query online
Upgrade to WolframAlpha Pro!

Requested by Edd#5182

[sharp mulch]

Congrats!

[bronze pelican]

I already attended graduation ceremony weeks ago but now it shows up on my transcript that I graduated officially

[neat lintel]

yeah so i was looking in channels and I found the biggest that I've ever seen

[distant vortex]

Share

[vagrant kestrel]

it's an actual quote though

[velvet dagger]

Oo @crystal stone I didn't know about it

[neat lintel]

#discussion message

[crystal stone]

yeah it starts like next week at 9am?

for central time

Super convenient

[velvet dagger]

Ugh

9AM is disgusting

Why are Europeans?

[crystal stone]

it starts 4 pm for them

I was worried it'd be at like 2 am

[velvet dagger]

Honestly I might just prefer that lmfao

[thorn brook]

Someone please enlighten me. Why is or isn't algebraic topology fun/interesting?

[rancid meadow]

how many turtles are there Ultra

[thorn brook]

I like turtles

[rancid meadow]

me too, but I'm asking how many there are

not if you like them

[narrow rock]

\geq 23

[thorn brook]

I like turtles

[rancid meadow]

I think I'd prefer to live in a world where there are two turtles, maybe three

anymore than that becomes cumbersome

[narrow rock]

must be pretty big turtles then

[rancid meadow]

well, they are holding up the planet

[narrow rock]

yeah but they need to be ultrathicc

[modest rune]

honest answer: Algebraic Topology is one of the best fields for utiliizing the problem solving strategy of "jumping between contexts" by being able to use combinations of geometric, topological, and algebraic arguments to prove things

its just very satisfying

[thorn brook]

oh crap, that sounds really cool!

I mean, algebra combined with topology sounds like a great combo

[neat lintel]

Wait

[thorn brook]

waiting

[neat lintel]

ok good

I just thought of something

[deep mango]

[crystal stone]

Ange you're so fucking lucky you didn't have to take the subject GRE

Man I wish I didn't have to waste my free time

Doing these problems

[narrow rock]

Ange took the GRE

[crystal stone]

the subject?

[atomic hornet]

Just dont take it

[crystal stone]

He did?

[narrow rock]

I think so?

[crystal stone]

I thot it was cancelled

[atomic hornet]

A lot of schools arwnt requiring it

[narrow rock]

He did it pre Covid

[atomic hornet]

Keep your eye out

[crystal stone]

oh rip

well

anyone that got in

and doesn't have to take

I'm jealous

[narrow rock]

Do we have to do it tho

[atomic hornet]

No

[crystal stone]

Irvine is requiring it

[errant rock]

moonbears i thought you applied to phdeez already ?

[crystal stone]

That's my bench mark

[crystal stone]

Straight rejects

Full house

[atomic hornet]

Rip

[errant rock]

me too muchacho ✊

[atomic hornet]

F

Asaf ferber sorry dude

[narrow rock]

[errant rock]

i applied to three schools

[atomic hornet]

Was going to apply to irvine to work w him but im not taking the subject test🤣

Rather focus on research and classes.

@crystal stone is irvine a school you really like?

[crystal stone]

well I'm co-authors with a faculty member there

so....

Yeah I suppose?

[broken scaffold]

by coauthor do you mean you read their paper?

[crystal stone]

by co-author I mean I helped write the paper

[atomic hornet]

what ofc not

[broken scaffold]

aha
I kid

[atomic hornet]

Ooof gotem

[broken scaffold]

arrows or sum thin

[atomic hornet]

Well ill be coauthors with a prof at my current uni and i hate it lol

[narrow rock]

Chicago got rid of the GRE req

[atomic hornet]

So being coauthors doesnt say much

[atomic hornet]

A lot of schools won’t require it.

[narrow rock]

[errant rock]

this is why they're so low prestige

[atomic hornet]

My friend applied last cycle and didnt take subject test

[narrow rock]

Hope you’re right lol

[atomic hornet]

Got into cornell and uwash

[crystal stone]

Well I like Irvine somewhat as a school. The program is ok

I hate the quarter system

but the people I'd work with are top notch

[atomic hornet]

He wouldve done bad if he took it lol im so jelly

[bronze pelican]

me too

[errant rock]

moonbears how many programs did you apply to

[bronze pelican]

i did badly on the mgre

50th percentile

[crystal stone]

11ish

[crystal stone]

smack dab in the middle of ppl who want to go to grad school for math

I'd say that's pretty good

[bronze pelican]

I applied to 15, got into 3

[atomic hornet]

Yea its ok

[crystal stone]

I had a friend get 8th percentile

He then said

"I'm sure like 90% of ppl did better than me"

[atomic hornet]

Where are you going ptyamin

[crystal stone]

And we were like

yes that's what it means to get 8th percentile

[atomic hornet]

Oh cool!

[crystal stone]

He stopped pure math shortly thereafter

[errant rock]

but he got into program ?

[bronze pelican]

:O

which one

[crystal stone]

He just got his MS and went to go work

[narrow rock]

What are you working on

[bronze pelican]

the combinatorics one?

[crystal stone]

I had another friend get 10th go to do Applied Math

[bronze pelican]

i see

thats a pretty hard REU to get into

[atomic hornet]

Yes

[atomic hornet]

Applications of szemeridis regularity lemma to give bounds for counting certain subgraphs in dense graphs.

[deep mango]

I don't want to be rude but like

What does it take to get an 8th percentile

I guess it has to happen to 8% of people

[atomic hornet]

I love the regularity lemma thats basically why i got in lol

[bronze pelican]

why does Brofib react to everything with

[atomic hornet]

Bc my mentor does a lot of research on it s

[deep mango]

I guess I'm curious about what score about constitutes 10th percentile, say

[atomic hornet]

My friend got a 14 percentile on gre writing

Hes going to cornell for phd in math now lol

[deep mango]

Damn

[narrow rock]

represents my emotions most of the time

[deep mango]

I mean I never took any GRE

( )

[bronze pelican]

do you feel unfamiliar math is threatening?

[deep mango]

So I have no point of reference

[atomic hornet]

Yea i havent taken it either tbh still funny imo.

[narrow rock]

Most math is lol

[bronze pelican]

x

[bronze pelican]

i took GRE

online

from home

[deep mango]

[bronze pelican]

the proctor said you cant have other people in the same room as you when youre taking the test

so i had to go in the kitchen and take the test from my laptop

[deep mango]

i told yale i would take it after submitting the application and then they waitlisted me and i never did

[bronze pelican]

I was gonna sit in the kitch with the laptop on my lap, but they said to put it on a flt surface

[deep mango]

hahahaha nerds

[velvet dagger]

Lmao Yale

[bronze pelican]

so i put it on the kitchen counter and took the test like that

[tacit cloud]

whats good RYC

[velvet dagger]

Getting dunked on left and right

[deep mango]

Hello maximwebb

[velvet dagger]

I heard that one year they had 0 yield

[tacit cloud]

call me ma for short

[narrow rock]

Wut

[deep mango]

I should have dinner with my family but I will be back soon

[narrow rock]

0

Wtf

[velvet dagger]

Everyone they accepted got somewhere better

[errant rock]

is yield research output ?

[narrow rock]

No

[velvet dagger]

Nah like grad student yield

[bronze pelican]

wow

[tacit cloud]

thats bc yale sucks lmao

[bronze pelican]

o.o

[errant rock]

do you think i can beg them to let me in now

[narrow rock]

lol

[velvet dagger]

Well that was some time ago idk what their shtick is nowadays

[tacit cloud]

tbf, idk what its like in the US but ive heard that once you're at most ivy leagues (for undergrad) its acc pretty easy?

and that the admissions part is the difficult bit

[bronze pelican]

whoare the number theorists at Yale

[narrow rock]

Goncharov is at yale

He’s an AGer

[vivid halo]

Yea like 3 months out of the year

He’s at IHES most of the time

Or IAS

[narrow rock]

rip

[velvet dagger]

Yeah I feel like Yale is just not a great place to be rn lol

For algebra types

[vivid halo]

I mean he also gives his students

utterly brutal problems

[errant rock]

i'll settle for yale

[vivid halo]

[velvet dagger]

I guess in analysis they got Schlag and soon they'll get Charles Smart

[narrow rock]

Smart

[atomic hornet]

Van vu

[narrow rock]

Lmao

Is that an actual person or is there a deez nutz joke coming

[atomic hornet]

I dont think this is true. There is grade inflation but i think courses are still hard.

[atomic hornet]

Actual person lol

Does additive combinatorics

[velvet dagger]

So there's definite grade inflation

[tacit cloud]

might be a diff between stem/humanities ig

[velvet dagger]

I think it's one of those things where

[atomic hornet]

Which has some number theory flavor

[velvet dagger]

People are expected to work hard

And they do

[last oxide]

dont forget about ligdeez

[velvet dagger]

And they get rewarded

[neat lintel]

Margulis is at Yale

[velvet dagger]

@last oxide let me ask Candice who that is

[errant rock]

oh yeah i heard they're good at additive combinatorics too

[last oxide]

I bet samir would be a better person to ask

[atomic hornet]

Candice owens?

[velvet dagger]

:)

Wait a second

Am I the one getting memed on?

[last oxide]

always has been

[velvet dagger]

Wait no I'm not getting memed on Candice Owens is a real person

So I stand by my >:)

[last oxide]

samir your face with deez nutz

[velvet dagger]

That's clever

[narrow rock]

Functor

Lol

Probably

[viscid pecan]

People work at different capacities but often the ones who get rewarded and expect compensation at the same time work through the standardization of things

I work hard but I am nonconformist. I don’t expect rewards or compensation for all the time I spend studying math. The problem is I’m not studying math while paying for more credentials to show at a prestigious level that I know math

[narrow rock]

No

No, I’m brofib

[viscid pecan]

I would pay for the course credits if I could at this point going forward but I can’t. I’m maxed out on my student loans

My one plan is to try to audit a bunch of classes

[narrow rock]

Wut

Test deez nuts?

[viscid pecan]

But if I decide I want to go back to school for math and I score well enough on subject GRE, I don’t have the guarantee that I will get swindled the opportunity without a sponsorship because I didn’t complete an undergrad mathematics program. I never took a single analysis or abstract algebra class

But I’d like peoples thoughts on this in case I am interested in pursuing a graduate degree but don’t have the funds or opportunity to take out loans

And I’m poor

[atomic hornet]

You dont get need based aid?

[viscid pecan]

Wdym

[atomic hornet]

Youre poor

In the US poor people usually get Pell grant

[errant rock]

wtf for masters to o ?

[atomic hornet]

I usually only hear ppl taking out loans in the US so idk

They didnt do UG in math

So it may be hard to get into math phd

[narrow rock]

h UG nutz

[bronze pelican]

You can also get fee waivers to apply to grad school

You just need to ask them

[viscid pecan]

I don’t have a UG in math but I’m thinking about math PhD

[atomic hornet]

This^

[viscid pecan]

That would be cool

[errant rock]

what was your undergrad

[atomic hornet]

@viscid pecan look at clemson masters in applied math

[errant rock]

i got into one but it's painfully low ranked

[viscid pecan]

I don’t mind a masters but I’m completely maxed on student loans

[atomic hornet]

Idk if its applied but they have one and give funding

[viscid pecan]

I would like a pure math focused degree at this point if I decide to go back

[atomic hornet]

I think They have sone good faculty in optimization if that is interesting

[viscid pecan]

With the opportunity to work with molecular biology researchers

[atomic hornet]

Id look into it.

[viscid pecan]

Not interested in applied

@atomic hornet

[errant rock]

working with biologists but not applied math ?

[viscid pecan]

I spoke to a fellow Biology PhD student at my part time job and he warned me it might not matter if I score really well on the math GRE and have everything else going for me if I didn’t take a single analysis or abstract algebra course

[viscid pecan]

Correct that is the plan. Well to have some exposure to applied but be theoretical focused

I already have some applied background here and there but I’m not really interested in focusing on that route

[neat lintel]

@viscid pecan just move to canada lol

[viscid pecan]

I am considering applying to school in Switzerland or Germany tbh

[neat lintel]

that too

[atomic hornet]

Apply to bonn

[viscid pecan]

I don’t think the higher education system here is very well regulated or put together

[neat lintel]

you could go to belgium

[atomic hornet]

Apply arithmetic geometry to bio

[viscid pecan]

But Vanderbilt has a good program it looks like

Tons of concentrations

[neat lintel]

here it's 1,7k per session :(((((

[bronze pelican]

Yaaaas

[viscid pecan]

I’m very open to what can be applicable but I think I am leaning toward the geometry and topology side of things

[bronze pelican]

https://mathoverflow.net/questions/95125/applications-of-algebraic-geometry-commutative-algebra-to-biology-pharmacology

[viscid pecan]

There is tons of water to tread when it comes to how can we use math to explore biology

[light needle]

interesting

[viscid pecan]

I think it’s just pretty intimidating overall for most people and you have to learn about what makes biology work based on empirical observations and connect that with mathematics

This means you also have to learn physics and chemistry

[bronze pelican]

John

[viscid pecan]

But yea mate, I don’t think there are that many seriously math focused biology programs out there unless you go for the best of the best schools and have to move to a whole other part of the world to study

Vanderbilt is relatively far away from me. I can’t even possibly commute there

Too many analytics focused programs and research groups

I rather do very experimental theoretical stuff

[blazing pawn]

i assume by experimental you mean the course design is an experiment and not

you know

[viscid pecan]

well kinda

Most schools are focused on bioinformatics and I am not interested in that focus

i don't mind dabbling a little here and there but not as a focus

so it seems the more distant schools with specialized funding, accomodate this, like EPFL in Switzerland?

It seems that I will definitely get some headache in applying without having credits for rigorous mathematics courses like analysis or abstract algebra. But idk if I can work my way around that with auditing those courses and having a good rapport with the professor

[velvet dagger]

Don't you expect to be able to move?

[viscid pecan]

would be nice to get into a Masters-PhD program fully funded

I do

[last oxide]

computational algebraic topology

[viscid pecan]

i just think its less likely I will get a full ride into a program that can accomodate a masters and then the PhD is what I'm saying

[cinder zephyr]

I mean for stem fields

isn't it more common to go directly from bachalors => phd

if phd is the end goal

and that phd would be funded

[modest rune]

in the US yes

not outside of the US

[viscid pecan]

life doesn't play out like that. I didn't know by hte time I graduated high school what I wanted to do with my life. So hate me for it

[cinder zephyr]

Ah I didn't know that wasn't common outside the US

damn

so people in europe just paying out of pocket for phd? damn

[modest rune]

Phd just means something else

outsidethe US

[viscid pecan]

I only found out by the age of 27 that I leaned toward what I am interested in now, and I'm 31

[modest rune]

no

phds are normally funded

[viscid pecan]

wdym max

[modest rune]

its just that masters and phd are separate things

outside the us

and you do them as their own thing

[velvet dagger]

I imagine the worry on Catman's end is that maybe he didn't have enough formal background for a PhD

[viscid pecan]

ahhh true

[velvet dagger]

So masters is the opportunity?

[viscid pecan]

correct

but I need to get into a dual program

cuz i am maxed on loans

personal reasons

[velvet dagger]

Well I'm guessing you need the dual program instead of straight to PhD because of a lack of undergrad classes, right?

[viscid pecan]

idk how many programs let you do a masters and then PhD with funding

correct

but i think its like 5 classes or something like that

some bs

[velvet dagger]

This is basically what throws me off a bit

[modest rune]

i think its normally an unfunded masters and then a funded phd

[atomic hornet]

In europe?

[modest rune]

no in general

funded masters are not so common

idk about funding for masters in europe tho

[deep mango]

Outside of math? It's not normally a masters at all in math

[atomic hornet]

Yea not in the US idk ab europe

[modest rune]

thats only in the US ryc

read up lol

[atomic hornet]

In canada masters are funded

[viscid pecan]

@velvet dagger yes I dicked around a few years cuz I fell for startup opportunities that more or less were a waste of my time but it was a somewhat interesting experience.

[deep mango]

Yes I know

[velvet dagger]

Well no what I mean is

4 years strikes me as the time to go from 0 to ready for PhD

[modest rune]

i think its remarkably harder than you make it sound lol

[deep mango]

[viscid pecan]

yea

[deep mango]

Definitely hard disagree with that

Maybe like 6?

[viscid pecan]

I probably need a sponsor

outside the standard requirements for grad school

in order to like get the funding

[velvet dagger]

Ready to apply to PhD. I guess my calculus is

[modest rune]

yeah i know what you mean

expecting someone to match the speed of undergrad

[velvet dagger]

If you're not doing it in the formal context of an undergrad, on the one hand you juggle with work

[modest rune]

is ridiculous lol

[velvet dagger]

But on the other your don't have geneds

[modest rune]

undergrad is a place where you spend thousands to learn in a particular and fast way

[viscid pecan]

yea but not everyone thinks that way when they do undergrad

then they realize "I should of had my shit together before i started college"

[velvet dagger]

And undergrads apply for a PhD early 4th year + don't always decide day 1

[deep mango]

But you don't have all the background of mathematical instinct that people build up before undergrad that makes the particular and fast way of learning possible

True dami

[viscid pecan]

I think im learning at an ok pace

[modest rune]

before undergrad

[viscid pecan]

not a great pace but ok for now

[modest rune]

i knew fuckall before undergrad

[deep mango]

I guess as usual there's a need to differentiate between "top grad depts" and "just getting into a phd"

[velvet dagger]

Eh idk how much high school helps lol. Like my math was weaker than most people who wanted to be stem majors

[viscid pecan]

so those undergrad courses I didn't take will become a problem basically

[velvet dagger]

By quite a lot

[viscid pecan]

even if i end up learning hte material on my own

and can show it in the future

[deep mango]

Ok but I would argue it takes at least a year to get to where you are coming out of hs

[viscid pecan]

talking about maybe two semesters of UG analysis and abstract algebra

[deep mango]

Like learning langs basic mathematics and say stewarts calc

[velvet dagger]

Yeah formal demonstration is the other thing

[deep mango]

Someone who hasnt done that stuff before at all and hasnt learned much math

Will take that a lot slower, or will not learn it well

[viscid pecan]

so is there any tips to show formal demonstration that I am competent for a PhD program in mathematics? I know its rare but I'm willing to learn about it.

[deep mango]

I'm not asking for spivak

[velvet dagger]

Yeah Spivak is college level sure. I guess I meant more like, even my Stewart calc was borderline non-existent going into college

[atomic hornet]

I Didnt even know any calculus in high school

[viscid pecan]

Like all I pretty much do now since the past year is more or less learn mathematics in more depth than I have spent time ever in the past

[deep mango]

Reading a book and texing up most of the exercises, working on research problems / expository papers that you put on a website

These are things people say

[viscid pecan]

Cool so is there resources out there that can help me with that?

like writing my own exposition papers

and all that jazz

I would love that info

[velvet dagger]

Hmmm

[deep mango]

I would argue you're in a sort of special case. You were at uchicago (max too) which is a very very particular kind of environment.

[viscid pecan]

I have nothing better to do with my time than mostly just focus on math

[deep mango]

I doubt it can be simulated to the same degree of mathematical learning on one's own

[viscid pecan]

going thru Baby Rudin atm

[velvet dagger]

That's probably fair

[deep mango]

Hell, if you didn't come into even berkeley with a fair amount of background

[velvet dagger]

You could tex up solutions

[deep mango]

You could do fine but like

[atomic hornet]

Yea you were st least a good student

Since you went to an elite uni lol

[deep mango]

It would be super hard to accelerate yourself to a level of being highly competitive for top grad programs

[atomic hornet]

I was shite in high school. I didnt really care until i was a senior and it was too late to take calc since i didnt take a math class as a junior.

[velvet dagger]

Makes sense. Yeah had I went to Berkeley, looking at their classes now

[deep mango]

I mean like having a solid grasp of calc BC. Probably not much more.

[viscid pecan]

I understand that but my focus is super niche, so that is even less selective is it not? Since I would be a mathematician working with biologists

[velvet dagger]

I would've started in 1A or at best 1B

[rancid meadow]

if only that were the case

niche means less slots

[deep mango]

damn. if only dami had went to berkeley i would have been able to bulli him for 2 years.

[viscid pecan]

yes but also way less applicants

[velvet dagger]

The power of Soug

Saved me

[viscid pecan]

not many people want to learn math, physics, and chemistry

as well as biology

[rancid meadow]

mathematical biology?

[atomic hornet]

It isnt uncommon

[rancid meadow]

it's a relatively popular field no?

[atomic hornet]

Yea it is

[viscid pecan]

eh the analytics portion of biology is gaining popularity

but biology people still don't like doing math generally

[atomic hornet]

You should really consider applied math. You say it doesnt interest you but you dont know a lot of applied math.

[deep mango]

did you all see that wasabi the pekingese won the westminster dog show?

[velvet dagger]

Actually nah tbh Laszlo Babai was probably my big early influence and a big reason I went so hard on math lol

[rancid meadow]

thats an ugly dog ryc

[velvet dagger]

If I had to choose just one person

[atomic hornet]

I applied to uchicago and said i wanted to work with him lol

[deep mango]

pekingese nuts

[atomic hornet]

Ichicago reu!!

[deep mango]

[atomic hornet]

Not phd

[rancid meadow]

[velvet dagger]

Yeah I did the apprentice REU with him

Which was probably my most formative experience

[atomic hornet]

Lucky ducky

[velvet dagger]

Along with analysis

[deep mango]

dami was the clay under laszlo's experienced fingers

please refer yourself to this post: #serious-discussion message

[atomic hornet]

@viscid pecan applied math can still be very theoretical. Check out things like convex optimization.

[velvet dagger]

Yeah don't diss applied math out of hand

[rancid meadow]

[velvet dagger]

I feel like the reason pure people don't like applied as much is that

[deep mango]

yes, for example, you can apply to solving the riemann hypothesis

[rancid meadow]

Ultra's interests are absurd

[velvet dagger]

A decent part of what makes people interested in it is that they're interested in what it's being applied to

[sharp mulch]

[velvet dagger]

So eg I find number theory and topology much prettier than the math that goes into stuff like bio. That math I'm sure is interesting and if I had cared much about bio I probably would overall prefer it

[atomic hornet]

Sloth can you tell laszlo babai to let me in uchicago for phd?

[velvet dagger]

But I'm just Not A Bio Person™️

[atomic hornet]

Ill give you a free entree at chik fila

Maybe even two free entrees

[velvet dagger]

What is it ryc?

[rancid meadow]

I just wouldn't have expected dog shows to be an interest

[velvet dagger]

@atomic hornet damn that's tempting

[deep mango]

number theory is gross

[velvet dagger]

Gross and Mazur

[deep mango]

sorry nerd

[velvet dagger]

Don't forget Mazur

[deep mango]

yes also mazur

[rancid meadow]

that is fair

hey dami do you who Gong Chen is

[velvet dagger]

Don't even think about it

[rancid meadow]

is that a yes?

[velvet dagger]

I will not be gaslit

[rancid meadow]

This isn't a deez nuts joke he was a phd student at UChicago and he's teaching me real analysis in the winter

[velvet dagger]

Jk I know him he's Myra's advisor

Oh

Okay

[rancid meadow]

you would've probably been in undergrad when he was doing his phd

[velvet dagger]

Well as you can see not quite offhand

[rancid meadow]

[velvet dagger]

Oh fuck

He's a Schlag student

Goddamn

[rancid meadow]

Yes Schlag student

[velvet dagger]

Schlag is intense. I had him second quarter analysis and he's terrifying

[rancid meadow]

i wonder if Gong will teach like his advisor

[velvet dagger]

How'd he teach you?

[neat lintel]

,ban slimevesus

[fathom swallow]

You don't have the required permissions to ban members here!

Jun 15, 2021, 1:47 AM

[atomic hornet]

Anyone do graph theory here

[rancid meadow]

my second semester isn't that bad... algebra 2, real analysis, geometric analysis & relativity

i can handle Gong 😎

[atomic hornet]

Yall know who Sugondi snuts?

[rancid meadow]

[velvet dagger]

Well that doesn't tell me anything

Maybe you're just good

[neat lintel]

geometric analysis?

[rancid meadow]

im not

[velvet dagger]

I could handle Schlag

[neat lintel]

i should take that

[rancid meadow]

you can take apm426 tterra

[neat lintel]

[atomic hornet]

Spelt it wrong

[rancid meadow]

I can't unless I ask nicely probably

[sharp mulch]

Geometric analysis is hard

[atomic hornet]

Suggondi snuts

[velvet dagger]

But yeah apparently he told one student something like

I hope you're happy with your grade

Your performance in this class made it hard for me to curve

[deep mango]

[rancid meadow]

did he tell you that dami? because you did so well

[deep mango]

yeah i don't get this

[velvet dagger]

No like

[deep mango]

doesn't that mean the person did well

[velvet dagger]

He told a bad student that

[deep mango]

how does someone doing poorly make it hard to curve

[velvet dagger]

"You fucked up so much but I didn't wanna destroy you"

[rancid meadow]

yeah then he's just scared to curve up because then someone gets 100% in analysis

[deep mango]

oh because at uchicago they need to give everyone As

i get it

[rancid meadow]

[velvet dagger]

I mean he got a B I think but yeah

That class was very nice

[deep mango]

[rancid meadow]

wtf

[velvet dagger]

Basically everyone who tried got a B-

[deep mango]

[velvet dagger]

And only one student did worse I think

[rancid meadow]

a B- is like a 70?

[velvet dagger]

Second quarter honors analysis

[rancid meadow]

idk what a B- is

[deep mango]

a B- is about an 80 in non-bizarro land

[rancid meadow]

B- 2.7 70-72

its a 70

[velvet dagger]

Oh I mean half the class got As lmfao

Oh oh I meant to say at least yeah

[deep mango]

If i get an A in a class, I also got all grades below it

[atomic hornet]

Was it grad class?

[deep mango]

that's how this works

[atomic hornet]

I feel like in grad classes most ppl get As

[velvet dagger]

Undergrad

But it's a high powered honors class

So profs have the mindset of like

Yeah I don't wanna punish you for trying

[atomic hornet]

Tru

How bad is the worst ug there?

At my normal state school the worst undergrad math major prob cant spell their name

[deep mango]

at berkeley honors classes are also graded leniently

and they're taught by cranks

[rancid meadow]

lmao ask tterra his marks in uoft honours classes

[deep mango]

they have to give someone a D, jesse

[velvet dagger]

In that class or in the math major? Idk exactly who was the weakest in either but I've got some ideas for honors analysis

[atomic hornet]

Is this whole server uchicago/berkeley

[velvet dagger]

Math major was 150+ people per year so

Idk a lot of them

[sharp mulch]

There's only like

[deep mango]

yes. this whole server is 6 people, 2 from uoft, 2 from berkeley, and 2 from uchicago

[sharp mulch]

2 active Berkeley people

[rancid meadow]

i think first year "honours" analysis here had a sub 50 average at some point

[sharp mulch]

It's just that me and ryc are fairly active