serious-discussion

[mortal oasis]

it does

metal

[cold needle]

yuS

[mortal oasis]

i think think x think

[last oxide]

reality is fake

just like tiktok

[cold needle]

reality is what we want it to be

and what i want

is a donut

[light needle]

Thonk fractal, thonk!

[cold needle]

the world is my donut

the world is a torus

🤔

[dense belfry]

in the comic it was think mark think

[mortal oasis]

was it really!

[devout nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/dinosaur-earth-dinosaur-earth-space-dinosaur-earth-society-gif-14364928

[mortal oasis]

no way

show accurate memes: broke

comic accurate memes: woke

[last oxide]

[mortal oasis]

ok

you are my hero

[last oxide]

you should get back the trusted role just for this

[mortal oasis]

^^^

[light needle]

Y’all should read the comics, it’s 144 issues long and p good imo

[mortal oasis]

I honestly agree

[dense belfry]

yeah I've read them

I wonder if I would get honorable back if I asked

[mortal oasis]

@ moderators

[light needle]

Man of culture liquid

[mortal oasis]

give back

[cold needle]

i think you would liquid

i see no reason not to?

[mortal oasis]

why did you lose it

[cold needle]

unless something happened that i missed out on

🤔

[dense belfry]

nah I just left for a while

[cold needle]

oh

then yeah lol u could get it back

it's up to u no presure

oh

idk if it's automatci or not

[dense belfry]

yeah sure I'd like it back

[cold needle]

okay cool liquid

welcome back

it's concentrated in specifically xenoblade chronicles

i am a closet weeb

we do not speak of this 😌

[mortal oasis]

i mean your a mod on a math channel aint nothing closeted about it

really? I think this server seems pretty popping

best server in this network i have been in

[cold needle]

i think i was the one who made that argument lol

i think i was wrong

[light needle]

wheres the data collection

[cold needle]

i was comparing it to real life traffic situations which sometimes go like this

[light needle]

what metric we using

[cold needle]

they make a new lane to reduce traffic, but it ends up being clogged anyways

i guess here it worked fine though

from my inspection

[light needle]

yeah but more car anyways tho right

[last oxide]

the taxicab metric

[cold needle]

🤔

[last oxide]

dont put ideas into the mods heads

soon enough, my hmms wont be here anymore

[mortal oasis]

wait mods

steal fractal hmms

gib

[limber thunder]

if anything more people are being directed to #❓how-to-get-help

[fervent flame]

also wat

why is there

2 discussion

[leaden torrent]

we figured

if #discussion is so good

why isnt there #serious-discussion

so we made it

[velvet dagger]

discussion-2 is 2-good

[pure sun]

the mods actually wanted to make discussion-0 through discussion-9

[fervent flame]

petition for discussion-3

[pure sun]

one discussion for each help channel

[leaden torrent]

nah next up is #serious-discussion-2

[fervent flame]

nested discussions

[pure sun]

but we convinced them that was a bad idea

[velvet dagger]

discussion-4: the search for discussion-3

[leaden torrent]

i am very proud of this one

tbh

it flows well

[fervent flame]

you shouldnt be

[errant rock]

no bulli 😠

[leaden torrent]

sideurk has been banned.

[fervent flame]

ur not a weeb u cringe loser @errant rock

why would you ban yourself

[velvet dagger]

Namington = sideurk = jacobian = waldo

[cold needle]

waldo

[velvet dagger]

We finally found waldo

[errant rock]

what's waldo was my favorite puzzle in elementary

[sly thistle]

yes and after this, we take the warp pipe to discussion 4-2

[torn willow]

inb4 fast 4-2

[sleek wing]

that framerule cannot be saved

it's tas only

[neat lintel]

@deep mango Thank you for the ping - I slept fairly shortly after 🤣

[ancient flame]

the gas price was π yesterday

but e in the next city over

[broken scaffold]

remarkable

how will they charge a transcendental amount of money from your account

[rancid meadow]

sometimes CIBC randomly charges me $60+ service fees and then refunds in within a day

thats an irrational fee

[sharp mulch]

[rancid meadow]

they gave me a nice phone call yesterday saying I should move my money into a real savings account

[sharp mulch]

Sensible

[rancid meadow]

Yes

sounds like a lot of work though

[sharp mulch]

Does it?

[sleek wing]

I've already got a savings account, so just move it in there and then you won't have to hassle with setting one up!

[sharp mulch]

Isn't it just 1. make appointment at bank 2. go to bank 3. "Hi can I move my money into a real savings account" 4. do some paperwork

[rancid meadow]

Well, I thought I had a savings account but it turns out its just a chequing account thats called "savings"

surprisingly this wasn't a scam Ultra

[rancid meadow]

does this not seem like a lot of work to you

[topaz owl]

Suprised pikachu face

[sharp mulch]

No

Does it to you?

[rancid meadow]

Lots of social interaction

[sharp mulch]

It might be a significant amount of mental energy

But from like

Time

It's an hour max

[rancid meadow]

thats true

[sharp mulch]

I did this earlier this summer

[rancid meadow]

I think my barometer for this stuff has become wonky since covid lmao

[sharp mulch]

I made the appointment online as well

So even less interaction

[rancid meadow]

I'm pretty much of the opinion that if I need to do anything besides make a phonecall it's too much work

I'll get over that soon enough

[sharp mulch]

[neat lintel]

[cinder zephyr]

Similarly

Anyone who calls a meeting

For something that could have been an email

I hate them instantly

[sharp mulch]

[cold needle]

u gotta learn Vietnamese now

[leaden torrent]

weird question

why does quantum physics specifically have a reputation of being like, impossibly hard and counterintuitive

at least among laymen

all the physics undergrads i know struggled way more in their PDEs or geometric relativity courses

[rancid meadow]

pop sci

[leaden torrent]

is it just because those subjects are more amenable to cutesy youtube video visualizations of phase diagrams and rubber sheets?

[rancid meadow]

Yes

maybe that doesn't explain it fully because string theory has that same reputation I think but I don't know if thats due to popsci stuff as much

[leaden torrent]

well string theory is just fucked in general

"trust me guys, E x ℝ⁸ for E an elliptic curve is definitely a natural setting for the universe's physics to be based off, we didnt just add copies of ℝ until it matched experiments"

[rancid meadow]

I also think the word Quantum sounds cool

and that undeniably feeds into it

[leaden torrent]

does relativity not sound cool

[cold needle]

i told someone i studied math

[rancid meadow]

stuff like Schrodingers cat also feeds into it

relativity is a boring word compared to quantum

[cold needle]

and he asked me if i was doing any quantum stuff

i was like

What

[rancid meadow]

Quantum groups

theres quantum logic iirc

[leaden torrent]

quantum representation theory

topologgical quantum field theories

etc

the jargon comes up

still a dumb question

[rancid meadow]

mathematicians just wanted in on the cool fancy word

good way to get research grants

[cold needle]

lol

[cold needle]

Sheeeesh

[sharp mulch]

[summer nest]

Nice emoji

[cold needle]

yes

[torn willow]

Special relativity requires less math than QM?

[sharp mulch]

"philosophically exciting" - a bit dubious

[sick burrow]

Eh he's not wrong

[deep mango]

hmmm... dubious.... strokes goatee

[sleek wing]

how exciting
fluid dynamics near the bottom
I’m blocking xkcd

[sick burrow]

Like sure, "philosophically exciting" is tricky to formalize, and one could perhaps make a case that QM shouldn't be so philosophically exiting, but it's hard to deny that it is

QM says a lot of weird counterintuitive shit

[toxic schooner]

yeaa

[neat lintel]

agree

that's why i hate physics

[toxic schooner]

thats exactly why i love it

[sleek wing]

Physics is bad applied mathematics is good

[torn willow]

Like?

[toxic schooner]

i like physics tho

[toxic schooner]

quantum tunneling

quantum entanglement

[sick burrow]

"Particles can be in 'multiple places' at the same time", "observing something changes its state", "P(A or B) < P(A)", quantum entanglement, quantum tunneling, etc

[toxic schooner]

yeaaa

exactly

[sick burrow]

Fluid dynamics is just "water go swoosh"

[toxic schooner]

yea

lol

[rancid meadow]

"P(A or B) < P(A)" ???

[sleek wing]

😡

[sick burrow]

Like sure, it's extremely fucking hard to describe exactly how water goes swoosh, but at the end of the day, that's all you're doing

[sick burrow]

Double slit experiment

[rancid meadow]

I don't believe in reality really so who cares about the rest of those but "P(A or B) < P(A)" doesnt make sense

[sick burrow]

Some locations see less light when both slits are open then when only one is

[rancid meadow]

[sleek wing]

Union of two sets must always be greater than or equal to the cardinality of the larger set

[sick burrow]

Even though that makes absolutely no fucking sense

[static loom]

ow my scroll finger

[sleek wing]

Middle mouse, mouse to the bottom of the screen, afk, win

[neat lintel]

press page up key

[static loom]

just too much philosophy for my finger to handle

[sick burrow]

But yeah you can roughly have P(A or B) < P(A) in QM

[sleek wing]

No you can’t, the distribution changes when the slot changes

*slit

[rancid meadow]

no

[sick burrow]

Is that not true?

[rancid meadow]

I have no clue but I have a visceral reaction to it

[sleek wing]

QM does not violate fundamental set theory no

Surprisingly

[sick burrow]

I'm talking about some specific point in the double slit

[sleek wing]

Yeah I know

[sick burrow]

Not the overall distribution

[sharp mulch]

The probability of anything happening is 1/2 because it either happens or it doesn't

[sleek wing]

The light at that point is determined by the distribution

[sick burrow]

Like that's how superpositions add is it not

[rancid meadow]

ban this joke

[sleek wing]

Measure theory btfo’d

[sharp mulch]

[sick burrow]

Holy shit I wasn't

Insane

[sleek wing]

Wtaf

[sick burrow]

What is this new universe

[sleek wing]

Is this some weird non-ZFC system or something

[sick burrow]

Where I say weird unintuitive shit, people disagree with me, and then I turn out to actually be right

Truly insane

[sleek wing]

Sullying a man for asking a question is bad form

[rancid meadow]

i dislike this

[sharp mulch]

Jesse in shambles

[sleek wing]

I immensely dislike this

[rancid meadow]

i never said you were wrong I merely disagree with the idea that its true

[narrow rock]

Jesse btfo

[sleek wing]

I’m going back to algebra where things make sense

[sick burrow]

Probability in QM is weird as fuck

You can have P(A) = P(B) = 50%, but P(A or B) = 0

iirc

[sleek wing]

Oh ok now it makes sense

[rancid meadow]

[sick burrow]

[sleek wing]

Fr I actually get why just from that

[sick burrow]

I feel like you don't

But maybe you do idk

[sleek wing]

It’s like if you had a polarised filter at a 45 degree angle, there’s a 50% chance a horizontal wave will pass through, same for a vertical, but the composite of both will never pass through

That’s how I’m thinking about it anyway

[sick burrow]

That's P(A and B) is it not?

[sleek wing]

Hmm

[rancid meadow]

this is why MP is a failure

[sleek wing]

Well no cause even if just one component goes through it would “pass” so it’s A or B??? I think???

[rancid meadow]

this feels like the result of an extreme abuse of notation rather than an actual difference in ideas or anything

[sick burrow]

Just take 2 qubits in states \
$\sqrt{2}/2 |0\rangle + \sqrt{2}/2 |1\rangle, \quad
\sqrt{2}/2 |0\rangle - \sqrt{2}/2 |1\rangle$

[fathom swallow]

Gamma Once More

[rancid meadow]

i agree with them

whoever they are

[sick burrow]

I believe here the probability of observing any one of them in state 1 is 50%, but in the composite system, both are guaranteed to be 0

[torn willow]

Just take 2 qubits in states
$\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2} |0\rangle + \frac{sqrt{2}}{2} |1\rangle, \quad
\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2 }|0\rangle - \frac{\sqrt{2}}{2} |1\rangle$

[fathom swallow]

Buncho Dragons

[sick burrow]

Thank you for cleaning that up for me Buncho

Was too lazy to type the fracs out on my phone

I mean the thing about QM is that it's been confirmed experimentally, right?

[sharp mulch]

sqrt

[sick burrow]

Like many many times

[rancid meadow]

doesn't mean its not crankery

[bronze pelican]

sqrt sqrrrrt

[sick burrow]

So we've actually seen physical examples of P(A or B)<P(B)

Such as double slit

Where P(X) literally means "the proportion of the time the experimenters observed X"

[rancid meadow]

what

[sick burrow]

Literally the most indisputable definition of probability there is

[sleek wing]

I'm cryin in the club rn

[sick burrow]

Literally just look at the results from double slit

[rancid meadow]

I think you need to put a big asterisk on that "or"

[sick burrow]

I feel like the issue there is it's easy to miss just how fucking weird double slit is at first glance

[sick burrow]

Do I?

[sleek wing]

yeah it's not standard prob

so it's kinda sus to label it as such

[sick burrow]

Is it not?

[rancid meadow]

absolutely Ultra

I am enraged that this is "true"

[sleek wing]

nooooooooo it's a different way of doing probablity, as ultra said

[sick burrow]

This is literally the proportion of the time that the experimenters observed an event

[sharp mulch]

"""""""true""""""""

[sick burrow]

A discrete event

[rancid meadow]

whatever, I stand by the fact that applying anything related to logic to reality is stupid

[sleek wing]

yeah yeah I'm not saying it's a wrong way, but under the normal methods of doing probability it won't work due to the way cardinality behaves under union

[sick burrow]

Jesse truly in shambles

What is probability

[rancid meadow]

doesn't this like

[sick burrow]

If not "the proportion of the time something happens"

[rancid meadow]

violate a kolmogorov axiom

or something

idk this is fucked up

[sick burrow]

I'm pretty sure this reasoning is actually what's behind Bell's theorem

In some sense

[rancid meadow]

[sick burrow]

Maybe this is when I finally cross the line and say something wrong

[pale orchid]

in the wrong sense

[sick burrow]

https://youtu.be/zcqZHYo7ONs

[rancid meadow]

this just means that trying to axiomatize natural systems is silly

[sharp mulch]

[sick burrow]

Jesse is trying so hard to cope rn

[rancid meadow]

applying math to the real world is cringe

final answer

[sick burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-cope-gif-20110606

[rancid meadow]

ive been saying this

[sick burrow]

Based take from Ultra

[sick burrow]

I mean the thing is, we have a pretty good formalization of QM that we can apply to the real world and make pretty accurate predictions with

[narrow rock]

almost a brofibration

[sick burrow]

Probability behaves in a perfectly logical way in QM, it's just also a completely bullshit way

The universe should not work like this, but we still understand it kinda

[rancid meadow]

I get that QM is like ""accurate"" and ""applicable"" but I am coping and think its dumb

P(A or** B) < P(A).

**Not really or

solved

[sick burrow]

I get that QM is like ""accurate"" and ""applicable"" but I am coping and think its dumb

[sleek wing]

it's more like P**(A or B) < P**(A) if I'm understanding correctly

:3

o_O

[sick burrow]

Yeah not really

Based on my very limited understanding of QM, the asterisk would go on the "or" if it went anywhere

[sleek wing]

got it

[thorn brook]

(^^)

[sleek wing]

^O^

[thorn brook]

(´ω｀*)

凸(-_-ﾒ)

[sharp mulch]

[rancid meadow]

ok so you admit QM is stupid and I admit I'm coping

deal

[thorn brook]

凸(¬‿¬)

[narrow rock]

cope

[sharp mulch]

[pale orchid]

quantum demagogy arc, i see

[rancid meadow]

I am not angry I just think that the thousands of people that have dedicated their lives to this subject are objectively wrong.

[pale orchid]

"think" and "objectively"

byotiful

[sharp mulch]

[rancid meadow]

I mean how do you keep a straight face and write down P(A or B) < P(A)

[sick burrow]

Clearly I was born in the wrong century

Should have been born in the early 20th century when it was still in fashion to call Cantor a crank and spend your time trying to disprove QM

[sleek wing]

cantor is a hack fraud

[rancid meadow]

what do people have against Cantor?

[narrow rock]

beard

[rancid meadow]

theyre just jealous

[narrow rock]

yup

actually, riemann has a better beard

[sick burrow]

Dear Cantor: you claim the natural numbers are "countable." Ok then count them, I'll wait

[pale orchid]

feynman diagram of the interaction between jesse and gamma

[rancid meadow]

[sick burrow]

Jesse is actually my alt

[broken scaffold]

who even wants local realism

[sick burrow]

I've just be talking to myself for the past hour

[rancid meadow]

Edd merely doesnt understand the depth of the subject that me and Gamma are discussing

[torn willow]

What if Gamma is actually jesse's alt

[rancid meadow]

wait Edd weren't you mod?

[sick burrow]

What if this entire server is just all Hank's alts

[broken scaffold]

yes but edd banned morza and got dmeoted

[sleek wing]

edd was never mod

[rancid meadow]

what

[pale orchid]

you set yourself up for this one

[rancid meadow]

[pale orchid]

You can't estimate my level of thinking if you don't know even elementary terminology, so this is just emotions.

[broken scaffold]

I only speak the truth

[rancid meadow]

is mirza gone

good

on both counts

[torn willow]

Yes

[sick burrow]

Wait what happened

[neat lintel]

Are y’all talking about physics

[rancid meadow]

not anymore

go away

shoo

,av

[fathom swallow]

jesse#3659's Avatar

Click here to view the image.

[rancid meadow]

wdym slim

ive had this for like 4 months

yeah

its me irl

[neat lintel]

Concern

[rancid meadow]

no

i just drew it

or actually I didnt draw this one but

I drew the original

this is the 5th iteration

[pale orchid]

what's the convergence rate?

[rancid meadow]

im still waiting for my pfp to become an emote.

[narrow rock]

[pale orchid]

[rancid meadow]

[pale orchid]

tteppa

[rancid meadow]

[sick burrow]

Who has the best pfp on this server

[rancid meadow]

me.

[narrow rock]

namington put a lot of effort into it

[neat lintel]

My pfp is not the best

[sick burrow]

Can't vote yourself

[rancid meadow]

Me
Ultra
Nami
Brofib
...
...
Slim

[sick burrow]

I vote brofibration

[neat lintel]

PiCrew

[neat lintel]

I beat Slim!

[errant rock]

i still haven't made a picrew ><

[rancid meadow]

woog has a nice pfp and so does mniip

[sharp mulch]

[sick burrow]

I remember when Namington's pfp was a bird or something

[neat lintel]

Mine is usually a cross, and therefore is the best

[rancid meadow]

I like Faye's alot too

[sharp mulch]

[pale orchid]

mine is a cookie cat from steven universe, so its goodness is bounded from below

[narrow rock]

shamrock

[rancid meadow]

absolutely not

[errant rock]

ultraproduct

[rancid meadow]

it's literally carseat headrest

[broken scaffold]

ultra and sham

[rancid meadow]

no

[narrow rock]

it's a wizard

[fathom swallow]

shamrock#0598's Avatar

Click here to view the image.

[rancid meadow]

oh right

[broken scaffold]

good shit

[rancid meadow]

I remember the tweet

[narrow rock]

goblin shaman

why are his legs so far apart lmao

[broken scaffold]

shoulder width

[narrow rock]

god bless lime soup

[sleek wing]

it's called "swag" you wouldn't get it

[sharp mulch]

Wimdth

[errant rock]

this is a cruel trick to make me turn on light mode

i refuse

[narrow rock]

how do you read stuff on light mode

the text is white

[rancid meadow]

what is it slim

is it a cat

too many cats on this server already

[narrow rock]

wait is that not your actual face

[rancid meadow]

for new years

this was the best iteration of my pfp

[narrow rock]

weird tongue

[rancid meadow]

ur just jealous

actually I liked the santa hat one I had

[narrow rock]

was my pfp for a bit

[sharp mulch]

[sleek wing]

when the phi^2A hits

[narrow rock]

based arnold

[sick burrow]

I think I finally have a pfp I actually like

[narrow rock]

what is it supposed to be lol

[sick burrow]

Yeah mine is a cat

[rancid meadow]

,av Gamma Once More

[fathom swallow]

Gamma Once More#2735's Avatar

Click here to view the image.

[rancid meadow]

[narrow rock]

it's a stork

[sick burrow]

Clearly a cat as you can tell

[deep mango]

[sick burrow]

,av arnold

[fathom swallow]

4 members found matching arnold!

1.   arnoldfini#0410 
2.   Arnold Berbunger#0688 
3.   arab arnold#9017 
4.   Arnold Schwarzenegger#8180 ```
Please type the number corresponding to your selection, or type `c` now to cancel.

[narrow rock]

will be my new pfp

[sick burrow]

5

[narrow rock]

is arnold alive

lol

[fathom swallow]

Member selection timed out.

Jun 7, 2021, 7:03 PM

[deep mango]

"Mathematics is a part of physics. Physics is an experimental science, a part of natural science. Mathematics is the part of physics where experiments are cheap."

[narrow rock]

we lost fone?

[deep mango]

damn i have never seen a more based intro

[narrow rock]

rip

[neat lintel]

[narrow rock]

[neat lintel]

pepe emotes were removed

[narrow rock]

tteppa here

[neat lintel]

read the discussion in ivory

from like

[narrow rock]

no

[neat lintel]

yesterday

[narrow rock]

we have

[rancid meadow]

was it discord copyright or racism tterra

[neat lintel]

definitely not tos

[rancid meadow]

figured

sorta lame but whatever

[narrow rock]

[rancid meadow]

they clearly didnt have any negative connotations on here lmao

[narrow rock]

we've got the important ones

[neat lintel]

just make jesse honorable so he can read the #「ivory-tower-emeritus」 discussion and we don't have to repeat it

[deep mango]

to be clear about what slim is saying, it's not pepe emotes. it's groyper emotes (don't look up groyper unless you want to go on a list) and the physically defomed pepe emotes.

[narrow rock]

is that not deformed?

[deep mango]

that should probably be removed

[cold needle]

we still have to sort out the rest

[rancid meadow]

[cold needle]

there are quite a few of them

[deep mango]

sure you can

[neat lintel]

metal, why isn't jesse honorable yet?

[cold needle]

i don't think im at liberty to say

[narrow rock]

etaleneenya

[rancid meadow]

politics

[deep mango]

it's gonna put you on my list

[rancid meadow]

mniip told me i have a 3.69 score

whatever that means

[cold needle]

gpa

[rancid meadow]

I think it means Im a bad user

[sick burrow]

Wait what emotes got removed?

[deep mango]

lmao

[neat lintel]

read up

[deep mango]

do they keep scores

[rancid meadow]

apparently ryc

lmfao

[narrow rock]

only for jesse

[cold needle]

no we don't keep scores

idk why mniip told u that

but

okay

[rancid meadow]

[deep mango]

how was my score anything above pure shit

wow

[neat lintel]

@ mniip explain

@compact tartan.

[rancid meadow]

yeah leaked

[deep mango]

[neat lintel]

i am putting the mod on the spot

[rancid meadow]

also,

[narrow rock]

demote ryc to trusted

[rancid meadow]

he will say he was memeing

[narrow rock]

or that

[deep mango]

i remember when i was added to honorable and the first thing that was said was tterra going "before jesse and poros? really?"

[narrow rock]

ryc for owner

[torn willow]

Demote ryc to owner

[deep mango]

(which i agree with of course)

[compact tartan]

[neat lintel]

look ryc i like you but they;ve been here for like 20x the time you have

[rancid meadow]

I predicted ryc and someone else

but I forget

[sick burrow]

Wait mniip keeps scores on us?

[neat lintel]

yes.

[rancid meadow]

yeah but tterra its clearly not based on time lol

[sick burrow]

Based on what?

[compact tartan]

that's how mafia works

[thorn brook]

[sick burrow]

Is it automated or

[neat lintel]

based on your DN score

[errant rock]

what's deez nuts

[bronze pelican]

It's based on how quickly you can suck dic

[compact tartan]

we're talking about the magic numbers that make the active role go

[deep mango]

it's based on scores. i have an extremely high score due to helping out in the highest value channel, #advanced-analysis

[static loom]

im very quick

[compact tartan]

I really shouldn't talk much about how it works

or people would gamify it

[broken scaffold]

whats my wendy score

[rancid meadow]

formula: (messages in question channels/messages in discussion channels) - (chill messages)

[sick burrow]

What's my score mniip

[rancid meadow]

yes slim

[neat lintel]

hear that, jesse? better reach 20k messages in a month

[rancid meadow]

I am very active

[dense belfry]

Gamma your name is confusing

[sick burrow]

Why

[thorn brook]

wait why is jesse not cool?

[sick burrow]

Oh huh Liquid is honorable again

[rancid meadow]

I asked.

[fathom swallow]

You don't have the required permissions to ban members here!

Jun 7, 2021, 7:11 PM

[rancid meadow]

I didn't want to blue name

I think its ugly

[thorn brook]

bruh

blue is nice

[deep mango]

don't forget that there's nepotism involved here. ange is my blood relative.

[dense belfry]

Idk I just get confused by it lol

[rancid meadow]

I only like yellow or green

or orange, but that wont happen

[neat lintel]

jesse helpers role arc

[sick burrow]

Well I wasn't Gamma for like half a year

[rancid meadow]

dark green

[sick burrow]

Maybe a bit more

[thorn brook]

yeah true. I like pink tho

[sick burrow]

And now I'm back

[cold needle]

adv helper

[thorn brook]

BIG ME PINK COLOUR

[deep mango]

adv helper

[sick burrow]

Because Lagrange was an annoying name

[cold needle]

big me

[neat lintel]

,whohas advanced helper

[fathom swallow]

Couldn't find a role matching advanced helper!

Jun 7, 2021, 7:12 PM

[neat lintel]

,whohas adv helper

[fathom swallow]

Members in Adv Helper*
======================
1.   Namington#1983
2.   doubledual#2930
3.   Daminark#6041
4.   88ddda#7872```

[rancid meadow]

ill take adv helper over honourable

[narrow rock]

I think you need to help people for that

[rancid meadow]

lmfao

[thorn brook]

what is the difference between helper and adv helper*?

[neat lintel]

adv

[errant kiln]

adv helper is dark green

[dense belfry]

Wasn't adv helper a failed experiment

[sick burrow]

I'll take admin over advanced

[thorn brook]

oh, advanced helper?

[dense belfry]

That didn't go anywhere

[torn willow]

You can't ping advanced helpers

[rancid meadow]

this is the reason I am not yellow name as well

[deep mango]

advice helper

advocate helper

[sick burrow]

Actually I should probably change my name to Gamma Once Again

[errant kiln]

We need to make honourables pingable.

[deep mango]

adventure helper

[dense belfry]

There was some ideas about separating helpers for higher math from lower math (whatever that means)

And a couple of ideas were tried

[deep mango]

advecting helper

[bronze pelican]

@honorable

[sharp mulch]

[sick burrow]

You should be able to ping honorables but you get auto muted for 3 hours if you do

[dense belfry]

@bronze pelican they disabled that a while ago

[narrow rock]

@tteppa

[rancid meadow]

oh you know who I think might be next yellow name

moldi

[deep mango]

[thorn brook]

yeah I will just go with adventure helper, sounds cool lmao

[sick burrow]

How often are honorable added

[deep mango]

moldi is trusted

[neat lintel]

@polar panther for honorable

[sick burrow]

What is trusted

[deep mango]

trusting moldi

[rancid meadow]

i still dont know what trusted means

[errant rock]

do people trust me

[neat lintel]

np

no

[rancid meadow]

who are you

[sick burrow]

no

[broken scaffold]

I trust u xt1

[thorn brook]

what is the banach-alg thing?

[deep mango]

i don't trust a single person here

[rancid meadow]

[dense belfry]

Lol asking who are you on discord is pretty funny

[deep mango]

[thorn brook]

but like what does it mean for someone to have it?

[narrow rock]

I trust everyone in

[torn willow]

Does that include you

[rancid meadow]

people do have reputations around here

[deep mango]

absolutely nothing

[thorn brook]

gib me banach-alg thing

now

me want feet access now

[narrow rock]

🦶

[thorn brook]

ahhh

yes

[errant rock]

this is haram

[rancid meadow]

I wouldn't mind #suggestions access lol

[thorn brook]

[dense belfry]

🦶

[broken scaffold]

🦶

[rancid meadow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[deep mango]

suggestions is dead

[sick burrow]

What even gets talked about in the ivory tower

[dense belfry]

The private feet channel is honorables+ only

[rancid meadow]

slim there is a deep state conspiracy to keep me white name

[errant rock]

how do i get honorable

[errant kiln]

whether pepes shall be removed or not 0.0

[rancid meadow]

just help people xt198

thats the fastest way

[sick burrow]

Ping Daminark

[thorn brook]

OKAY WHO WANT'S HELP

[errant kiln]

meeeee

[thorn brook]

I WILL HELP YOU

(by contacting ryc)

[sick burrow]

Wait you need to help people to get honorable?

[dense belfry]

No

[sharp mulch]

You nominate people

[deep mango]

someone pick a textbook and we'll all alternate helping each other with questions

[sharp mulch]

People second/third nominations

Then mods do something????

[thorn brook]

someone plz ask what 1+1 is

[sharp mulch]

Involving considerable delays

[thorn brook]

then I will help

[sick burrow]

Waig there's actually a proper nomination system?

[thorn brook]

and get honorable

[deep mango]

well the way you get nominated is by being somewhat helpful i would argue

[rancid meadow]

if I have been nominated this is not true

[sick burrow]

Who gets to nominate

[rancid meadow]

yellow names

[deep mango]

that's not the only way

but like

[neat lintel]

Why is natural log called ln and not nl?

[sharp mulch]

Honorable can nominate for honorable and trusted

[rancid meadow]

I am curious what the mods talk about

[sharp mulch]

Trusted can nominate for trusted

It seems

[deep mango]

french

[errant kiln]

So it is your fault that jesse doesn't have honourable? 0.0

[rancid meadow]

I suppose they want yellow names to be role models or something lmao

[sleek wing]

"ln" "le natural"

[neat lintel]

Also why was a new notation created for logarithms, why not just say a^c = b?

[sharp mulch]

Jesse has been nominated many times

[rancid meadow]

I'm pretty sure I've been nominated by quite a few people actually

[deep mango]

it is ange's fault

[sleek wing]

integrallllsssssssss

[rancid meadow]

I'm not joking when I say its a deep state conspiracy

[sharp mulch]

Nominations can happen whenever

[errant rock]

going to start using nl, i refuse to speak french 😤

[neat lintel]

Also why didn't they just make a symbol for log instead of have it be log?

[sick burrow]

I remember last year

[cold needle]

the final judgement comes from the mod team

[neat lintel]

it's like three variables being multiplied

[deep mango]

that sounds confusing

[rancid meadow]

can you tell me how many times Ive been rejected

[sharp mulch]

The decision comes from the mod team with considerable delay

[deep mango]

i've been here for like 2 months

[sick burrow]

Dami was holding back on giving Max honorable just to mess with him

[cold needle]

for ryc it was genuinely just delay

[sleek wing]

rip sin, tan, cot, csc, arg, img, ker, lim, cos, sec, abs, Hom

[thorn brook]

what

[neat lintel]

exactly, they could've made symbols for all of those

[rancid meadow]

same with Loch right

[neat lintel]

would've looked better too

[sleek wing]

but why would they

[thorn brook]

it feels like you've been here for like 10 years lmao

[rancid meadow]

Loch should have got it like 6 months ago lmao

[cold needle]

i actually didn't know loch was proposed maybe i forgot

[sick burrow]

Have I ever been nominated

[deep mango]

yes, it does feel like that, doesn't it?

[cold needle]

or maybe i wasn't mod then

[sharp mulch]

Yeah the mod team doesn't tell anyone anything

[pale orchid]

nominations are handled with considerable delay

[azure kettle]

it is sadge

[oak forge]

Hey if I ask a question and someone asks a question on top of it like 5 minutes after I post it, should I say something? I just don't want to be rude or anything.

[pale orchid]

you can tell them the channel is taken

[neat lintel]

Are there logarithms which use imaginary numbers?

[pale orchid]

yes, there are

[sleek wing]

yes

it branches tho

[azure kettle]

jesse and I stay forever oppressed by the mod team

[errant kiln]

Yes, logarithms use imaginary numbers.

[cold needle]

see the issue is like if we say no, then what happens after a while when the mods do feel like said person should have honorable

[deep mango]

[oak forge]

Okay cool. Thanks ^^

[cold needle]

is my concern

[sharp mulch]

[rancid meadow]

what do you mean?

do you guys not reconsider people lmao

[neat lintel]

are you ever able to have an answer to logarithm of a negative number?

[rancid meadow]

one rejection and its over

[cold needle]

i have no ieda

if it's "one rejection and its over"

or not

[sleek wing]

yes, the complex log works fine for that

[deep mango]

oh shit i'm about to beat jesse LOOOOL

[cold needle]

i guess i will ask then

[sleek wing]

like Log(-1) = i*pi on the principle branch

[rancid meadow]

holy shit ryc

,ui ryc

[fathom swallow]

ranyakumoschalkboard#7228 (533879085542146059)

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38023.     Jay14641#7662
38024.     matthew#5876
38025.     girantinas#8133

[rancid meadow]

,ui

[fathom swallow]

jesse#3659 (618267537779458051)

​ Full name: jesse#3659
​ ​ Nickname: jesse
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20577.     The-Elite#9627
20578.     jtay_313#8299
20579.   > jesse#3659
20580.     Mega Euler#9607
20581.     power#7555
20582.     Vvhisper#7166

[sharp mulch]

Lollllll

[azure kettle]

[rancid meadow]

dude.

LMFAO

[deep mango]

[pale orchid]

#bots

[neat lintel]

They don't teach this in algebra

For some reason

[rancid meadow]

I thought I talked a lot on here

[sleek wing]

probably because it's analysis

[sharp mulch]

This is what ryc does instead of calculating lattices of subgroups

[pale orchid]

you learn this in complex analysis

[deep mango]

this is all your fault

[sharp mulch]

Is it?

[deep mango]

i wonder how many of my posts are one word

[neat lintel]

Why do they teach imaginary numbers in algebra than but not logarithms of negative numbers

[deep mango]

probably a number of them

[deep mango]

they're poorly behaved

[sleek wing]

the complex log is an incredibly weird function

[sick burrow]

Holy shit Namington had 220k

[pale orchid]

because you need more stuff. complex numbers require special care

[deep mango]

wow

[dense belfry]

I wonder where sloth is on the leaderboard now

[neat lintel]

They teach complex numbers in algebra too

a + bi

[sleek wing]

I'm sitting at a chill 5,022 messages

[sharp mulch]

t!top

[blissful sparrow]

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[pale orchid]

that's not enough to understand the complex log

[sleek wing]

omg field extensions

[thorn brook]

epic win

[deep mango]

anyway complex log is related to euler's formula, which says e^(ix) = cos(x) + i*sin(x)

[errant rock]

i have more than 2k results on this account i need to go outside

[sick burrow]

,ui Gamma Once

[fathom swallow]

Gamma Once More#2735 (381174875215364109)

​ Full name: Gamma Once More#2735
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​ Joined at: 03:50 AM, 19/04/2021
​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ (49 days 15 hours and 35 minutes ago)
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39924.     georgcantorbfam#6442

[sleek wing]

BRUH

[pale orchid]

ffs, #bots

[deep mango]

so you can understand complex log after understanding euler's formula

[pale orchid]

stop spamming that here

[sleek wing]

ok for once PLEASE #bots

I'M MINIMODDING

that's how annoying THIS IS

[rancid meadow]

did you change your name or something

[neat lintel]

oh okay thank you ryc

[rancid meadow]

I've never seen you before today

[deep mango]

but it's still kind of hard to understand

[neat lintel]

and thank you to everyone else

[sleek wing]

np

[sick burrow]

Damn I've been here longer than Jesse

[deep mango]

i still barely get it and i'm a phd student

oh well

[neat lintel]

phd student in what?

[sharp mulch]

[deep mango]

math

[sick burrow]

If you count when I first joined

[deep mango]

yes i am

[thorn brook]

phd student in weeb culture

[pale orchid]

pretty huge dolphin

[dense belfry]

What so you study ryc?

[rancid meadow]

I feel like I've been here for way too long lol

[deep mango]

PDEs and dynamics

[sick burrow]

,ui Namington

[fathom swallow]

Namington#1983 (105878844061286400)

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6565.     Triseth#0262

[neat lintel]

so what chance do i have of understanding it considering i'm in high school

[cold needle]

so

[narrow rock]

I want to be a phd student

[cold needle]

several people have asked

that you use the bot commands in #bots

[sleek wing]

rip

[thorn brook]

No.

[pale orchid]

these ppl

[sharp mulch]

I am a phd student

[pale orchid]

smh my head

[neat lintel]

really?

how do you know so much then about it

[dense belfry]

What do you study ange?

[sleek wing]

yes I'm doing algebra for my thesis

[sharp mulch]

Applied fluids

[pale orchid]

i'm a pretty huge dolphin myself

[sleek wing]

and fluids!

algebraic fluid dynamics is the dream

I will make it happen

[errant kiln]

Judging from this, moth should have honourable 0.0

[sharp mulch]

[dense belfry]

Moth does have honorable

[neat lintel]

what is your thesis

[deep mango]

here's what i get about complex log. uhhh, it's got a spinny riemann surface that looks like a spiral staircase. and, you always have to branch cut by some path from the origin out to infinity if you want to use it. and, the argument principle is a thing

that's all i know

[sharp mulch]

Monodromy

[deep mango]

nope, don't know that

[sharp mulch]

I don't either

Something something riemann-hilbert correspondence

[deep mango]

[sleek wing]

and this happens because e^(2pi*n+x)i = e^xi

google "R/Z ring" for more info on that one

[deep mango]

yes

[thorn brook]

The Ghost of the Witness

sounds cool

[deep mango]

i understand more than i'm letting on

[rancid meadow]

why are these thijngs called correspondences

[neat lintel]

why is natural logarithm base in exponential formulas?

[rancid meadow]

are they literally from like private letters

[deep mango]

i'm trying to hide my knowledge about complex log so that in the future people will underestimate me

[sharp mulch]

[deep mango]

this is kind of hard to understand until you see calculus

[sleek wing]

Cause e is swag

[deep mango]

the reason ends up being that e^x is the function whose derivative is itself

[errant kiln]

we should use pi instead.

[deep mango]

and ln(x) is the function whose derivative is 1/x

that's why you want e and not something else

[static loom]

-ln(1-x) has a nice power series

[deep mango]

and that's why e is the "natural" base

[neat lintel]

Well I guess I'll go learn calculus

[sick burrow]

Why is the derivative of e^x itself

Why do I not know this

[deep mango]

because of the power series

[sleek wing]

You can look at the Taylor expansion

[static loom]

depends on what you mean by 'why'

[sick burrow]

Or at least not remember

[sleek wing]

Also that’s the definition of e

[deep mango]

just take the power series and differentiate term by term

[thorn brook]

because of swag

[sharp mulch]

[neat lintel]

Is analytic geometry, such as conic sections important to know for calculus because I forgot it all?

[deep mango]

not really

eh

maybe sometimes

[cold needle]

at most you will see them in calc 3 again

but otherwise no

you can safely forget

[neat lintel]

Alrighty, I'm going to go learn calculus and come back once I've learned it all

Have a nice life people, untili next time

[sick burrow]

Oh right and then you define e^x by its power series

[neat lintel]

farewell

[cold needle]

goodbye

[sharp mulch]

[cold needle]

all of calculus...

[deep mango]

e^x defined by its power series >>>> defining it by compound interest limits

[sick burrow]

It's tricky when everything in analysis has like 5 equivalent definitions

[sleek wing]

Don’t do it analysis is a scammmm

[static loom]

define e^x as the sum of hyperbolic sine and cosine

[sharp mulch]

[sick burrow]

For example I have no clue what trig functions are

[sleek wing]

Wtf

[sharp mulch]

They go spin spin

[sick burrow]

I used to

But I don't

[deep mango]

they go spin spin

[sleek wing]

It’s the real and imaginary parts of e^ix

[dense belfry]

They go spin spin

[sick burrow]

Yeah I know that

[errant kiln]

Sine's just a function that models our heart beat.

[sick burrow]

This that is

[sharp mulch]

They spin at the correct speed

[sick burrow]

And I know the properties they have

[cold needle]

set me back several years in my career in mathematics. However, it had a redeeming feature: it
led me to realize that I had no idea what a differential equation is. ```

[sick burrow]

But like how are they defined

[cold needle]

u guys rn

[neat lintel]

How long does it take to completely learn calculus? I have the entire summer

[deep mango]

about 30 minutes

[errant kiln]

"completely"

[deep mango]

i mean it totally depends

[sharp mulch]

Calculus has an ill-defined upper boundary

[neat lintel]

I have an ill defined idea of what this means

[vagrant kestrel]

no one knows calculus of variations so

[deep mango]

use khan academy or pauls online notes + 3blue1brown essence of calculus or sylvanus thompson calculus made easy

[sharp mulch]

In a sense, all of math is just fancy calculus

[sleek wing]

There is no “all” of calc

[errant kiln]

Calc 1 and 2 can be done in like a few weeks, I guess?

[sleek wing]

Wrong

[dense belfry]

I don't think so

[neat lintel]

I was planning on using khan academy

[sick burrow]

You could probably learn highschool calculus over the summer if you went very very fast

[sharp mulch]

Algebraic geometry is only useful for algebraic analysis which is just fancy d-modules

[pale orchid]

in the wrong sense, sure

[neat lintel]

I already did some of the limits part in khan academy

So I know some calculus

It was effortless

[deep mango]

that's good

[sleek wing]

Who gon tell im

[deep mango]

continue along there

[dense belfry]

I do Computability and I haven't seen a single derivative yet

Or integral

[sharp mulch]

Arithmetic derivative

[neat lintel]

I'll be back when I learn the entire limits section

Bye

[deep mango]

computability theory is all about integrals

and integration

[sick burrow]

Wait so how are trig functions defined

[dense belfry]

We do study discrete limits

[sleek wing]

Derivative on polynomial rings

[sick burrow]

In analysis

[sharp mulch]

Differential galois theory

[sick burrow]

Is it just through e^x

[sleek wing]

Power series

[sick burrow]

Oh yeah that would make sense

[sleek wing]

Or through e^ix

[dense belfry]

Differential galois theory is something I will have to know eventually actually

[static loom]

both are pretty much equivalent

[sharp mulch]

Will you?

I won't

[deep mango]

computability theory is just numerical analysis

[dense belfry]

As well as differential algebra

[sharp mulch]

[blazing pawn]

Stop

🔫

[sharp mulch]

[blazing pawn]

Yes

[dense belfry]

Saying x is only useful for y is pretty gross tbh

[errant kiln]

🔫

[sleek wing]

Wait is the derivative a homomorphism of a polynomial ring to itself

[dense belfry]

Even if it's just a joke

[blazing pawn]

hi liquid

[dense belfry]

No

[sleek wing]

Hmmm

[dense belfry]

Product rule

[sleek wing]

Yup doesn’t map 1 to 1 got it

[blazing pawn]

Im confused as to what this question means

[cold needle]

derivative of a homomorphism...

[static loom]

yeah, algebraic geometry isn't useful for anything how dare you say it's useful for y!

[cold needle]

[dense belfry]

The derivative is a vector space homomorphism