serious-discussion

[west bone]

Ok so
The problem with your class is, they are kinda "short-sighted"

[untold iron]

im in the deepest area of this space ı got a very heavy smthng on my life

[olive sun]

I wonder how does it all started.?

[west bone]

And well, just dont talk

[untold iron]

in 5th class

when i meet them i think they are good when i play games i got fun but after a month passed they started bullying me for no reason

[dreamy crag]

use punctionation.

[olive sun]

Be calm the time changes u will definitely receive good wills than them. In future although ur life would be so better than them

[untold iron]

and i ask them why?

[west bone]

Sir yes sir oorrah

[untold iron]

they say because u were too stupid in 5th class, and i think why bruh

[olive sun]

Ur time will come just u have to attire patience

[untold iron]

in sixth grade they sell me and gain me back sell me gain me back sell me gain me back

[olive sun]

Wht?

[untold iron]

in 7th grade just they act weird and good like i said

[untold iron]

dunno they are stupid

[olive sun]

Hmm ic

[untold iron]

their joke style for their philophsy (idk how to spell please fix) is having fight then doing very bad shit

they jumped me and literally 3 people jumped on me i was like i think my bones gonna crack

[olive sun]

Hmm they think they had became matured

[untold iron]

i left that warzone like area hard bro

they arent mature

one of my friend acts stupid hold peoples foot

[olive sun]

Yeah they aren't

[olive sun]

Heh then why is he ur friend?

[untold iron]

then one of them hit my neck and say joke what if my neck got a very bad trauma?

[untold iron]

not friend... FRIEND IN WORDS actually.

[sour jay]

(philosophy)

[untold iron]

thank you.

[olive sun]

Yeah ic

[untold iron]

btw ic slang meaning?

[olive sun]

I see

[dreamy crag]

i see

[olive sun]

U were reading chats for so long?

[untold iron]

i know lot of people reading i think

[dreamy crag]

just pop in randomly

[olive sun]

Hmm

[untold iron]

and fun fact they play football and they play like trash but they think theirself neymar im crying on that part

[olive sun]

Hmm just maintain distancing from them

[untold iron]

yeah

tmrw i wont talk em just sleep until lesson time comes and just join lessons ill remove my unmature friends and add my mature friends

and they called me very bad thing means ur anus get blooded

[olive sun]

Hmm nice

[untold iron]

i was so hardly holding my self to c all IM NOT THAT PERSON GETTING 30 FROM TURKISH

i warned him so very bad he didnt listen but i didnt said too

yeah gif not allowed yall understand i stared to that word

[olive sun]

Ahh just ignore them or just take matters in ur own hands

[untold iron]

its like hell

id rather have 50 cent than having this class for 7 period lesson

atleast 1,5 month left schools will close

[olive sun]

Ohhk

[untold iron]

and they say six seven shit yk

[olive sun]

Hmm brainrot 🥀

[untold iron]

they are brainrotted

i call my classmates as cornballs

its like cringe slang

[olive sun]

😅

[untold iron]

anyways the comedy of this part is they call me gay while im not gay and do gay shit in class

my eyes were wide open like saying WHAT THE FUCK with a deep sound

[olive sun]

Yeah they r immature ig they will. Understand this when they will grow up

[untold iron]

yeah ill watch some yt good day or night idk ur timezone cya

add me btw im trying to have mature friends

[olive sun]

Ya itz goodnight

[olive sun]

Sure

[untold iron]

id like to have u in my class rather than my classmates c yaaaa

[olive sun]

I would have beaten their ass of

[untold iron]

alright cya

[olive sun]

Ye cya

[glass peak]

This google keynote is uhhhh

Were kinda fucked arent we

[ancient lance]

pretty much

AI this , AI that

[ancient lance]

did they say they wanna replace google with AI?, I thknk they did?

[latent edge]

[ancient lance]

wait, lemme pull up the announcememts

uh, can;t find them easily if anyone does please share ;em here

[glass peak]

Everything is AI from now on I guess, whats the point of people anymore

[zinc sable]

Thoughts on this "advanced calculus 1" syllabus?

Sequences, properties of continuous functions, derivatives and differentials, functions defined by series, integrability and integrals, convergence of function sequences.

the textbook is elementary analysis by ross

[ancient lance]

I know this is #serious-discussion , but it's come to the point that for a damn HUMANITIES class I'm taking my dad kept asking me to use AI
for "Ideation" and "help"..

I cannot even begin to describe how mad that made me

[glass peak]

This is probably more appropriate for #math-discussion , but this looks pretty standard for an introduction to analysis

[zinc sable]

Ah, sorry

[glass peak]

Its all good!

[glass peak]

The stupid grammerly ads on this exact idea piss me off so much

[old oak]

I mean, Google is fucked; with any luck some actual search engine will survive

[ancient lance]

Like that goes agaisnt the entire point of these clases, and I think it's just going ot get worse.

[glass peak]

Im not sure if youve seen them or not but I keep getting them on youtube and theyre just so ridiculous

[ancient lance]

I ask people for help => They say ask chat gpt 😭 like what has the world come to

[glass peak]

Youre more optimistic than me, I think this is just what life is now

[glossy marlin]

-# they don´t even tell you to check wikipedia anymore

[old oak]

Yeah, it's amazing how many people decided to completely give up on thinking as soon as that became a superficially plausible option

[idle steppe]

People who look down on humanities majors are pathetic and miserable

[long orchid]

oh did you see i/o too? actually dystopian

[ancient lance]

YES. The only "AI" I use if you can call it that atp is the old spell check in word

[glass peak]

I was very much counting on the bubble bursting, and was quite sure it was coming, but im becoming significantly less likely in my etes

[long orchid]

yt is fucked too they're rolling out ai overviews there from the us outwards

since next month iirc

and i'm saying this as someone who is moderately okay with agentic coding, i'm not that proficient at it (like orchestrating subagents etc)

[glass peak]

The AI overviews already exist, here in the UK anyway. Theyre overhaulling youtube search to be AI powered though

[old oak]

I don't think it's sustainable in the long run, but I agree it will do incredible damage in the meantime

[long orchid]

yep, that's what i meant

[ancient lance]

YES. I mean it's come to the point that when I post solutions to problem sets we get for courses on the group, I get thanked not because they're good( idk if they are), but.
||Because it's easier than asking chatgpt 😭 ||

Just imagine how insulting that is , I put in the entire day into trying to help people and this is what I get?

[latent edge]

got one professor saying that to me

[glass peak]

I just keep coming back to wondering what the point is anymore. Anything bar manual labour seems to just be people sending AI output back and forth, and it seems like the techbros are pushing very hard for a lot of art to go in that direction. Of course actual artists will hold out on that, but I think anything vaugely main stream is going to become even more homogenous and shit. Even if theyre not directly using AI to produce said "art", I just see it funneling and controlling culture, even stuff like youtubes feedback on videos for creators now gives a bunch of ideas of follow up videos you could produce based on what seems to be doing well for you. I mean were already seeing this in our language, with like the word delve becoming so much more common because chatGPT used it a bunch

[ancient lance]

asking you to use gpt?

[latent edge]

yes

[ancient lance]

😭

[latent edge]

1984

[idle steppe]

Chatgpt literally failed to do a highschool physics problem that i could do.

Other llms too

[ancient lance]

There's also the fact that people are literally rellying on notebook LM to help them get thrrough readings or courses.

Literal humanities students in classes I'm taking with them in the humanities use AI to summarise stuff, like atp what's the point of studying the humanities?

[idle steppe]

Diabolical

[ancient lance]

Like don't get me wrong, I love the humanities, and have a lot of respect for it. But people are destroying the point of their degree atp

[glass peak]

Most people only go to uni because it’s become a prerequisite to getting a job

[idle steppe]

Maybe they just dont like their major and their parents forced them to go

[ancient lance]

My uni is a private uni in India, so I doubt it

seriously though, I used to laugh at people or even scoff at them for talking about the good ol' days.

Now I yearn for 2023...or earlier

maybe 2021?

( in terms of tech wrt AI)

[idle steppe]

AI is destroying education in schools

And kids dont understand that

[ancient lance]

AI is , I'd argue destroying what makes humans, human

It's destroying thinking, the ability to write well, to think for extended periods of time, to be frustrated, to have euphoric moments while studying and more

[idle steppe]

People who use LLM's to do their homework are robbing themselves of their education and become more stupid

[ancient lance]

https://www.theverge.com/tech/932454/google-io-2026-news-announcements

this is what google announced for anyone wondering

[ancient lance]

but their grades will be better than those of us who did it the hard way at times

[idle steppe]

Thats why they do it

Cuz they dont understand why theyre given those assignments in the first place

[ancient lance]

Back to this, I think a bigger worry is going to be what happens with the rise of misinformation, lack of critical thinking skills, and more.

And ofcourse the environmental coset

there;s also that we're trusting AI more that actual experts atp

[cyan sleet]

your major?

[idle steppe]

There are alot of jobs that wont be taken over by AI

Like nursing, teaching, social work, medicine...

[ancient lance]

I fear a lot of companies are working on just that

[idle steppe]

Nurses arent gonna be replaced by robots bro

[ancient lance]

robots that can do surgery, a LOT of people use AI to learn instead of teachers these days etc

[old oak]

Teaching is absolutely going to be taken over by AI

It won't be good, but that won't affect adoption

[ancient lance]

FOR THE WORSE , MUCH MUCH FOR THE WORSE

[idle steppe]

That sounds horrible

[old oak]

There will remain small pockets where people who actually want to teach will work with those who actually want to learn, but it will be very niche and expensive

[idle steppe]

AI isnt like a person, it dosent actually think

How can it teach and also interact with kids?

[old oak]

Look, if GenAI was only used for things it is actually good for, it would remain a very niche field

[ancient lance]

It can create the illusion of thinking and empathising with kids.

[ancient lance]

serious question, what is Gen AI good for?

[old oak]

When it comes to LLM, machine translation and generation of predictable code are fairly solid applications.

Both still require human verification, but the LLM output is often close enough to only require tweaks

[ancient lance]

I also think for human safety, the rise of AI photos and videos is a problem

and it's sadly just getting more realistic

[idle steppe]

Its already a huge issue

[ancient lance]

from deepfakes, to the creation of disgusting content I don't even wanna talk about

[idle steppe]

How do those llms not have stopping mechanisms for that? Idk

[ancient lance]

They do, but I'm sure people will always find ways to bypass it

[heavy pagoda]

https://openai.com/index/model-disproves-discrete-geometry-conjecture/

[abstract nimbus]

what does "predictable code" refer to here

[heavy pagoda]

have u guys seen this

[abstract nimbus]

like, software code?

[old oak]

Yeah, software code, in situations where your code is very similar to something that's already been done before (by yourself or others), but different enough so that you can't generate the required version deterministically. In that case you'll usually copy some existing code and modify it for your needs, or go through the motions of writing the predictable code based on well-known steps. The LLM does pretty much that much faster than you would (and it will often do it wrong, but you'll spend less time fixing it than doing it all on your own)

A good mathematical example is TikZ code, I use LLMs to generate that, and it's rarely what I want but it takes me less time to fix the LLM output than it would to write the TikZ myself from scratch.

In the ideal world I would just actually learn TikZ, but life is too short to be actually learning TikZ

[heavy pagoda]

i think theres no point learning tikz nowadays

even if you know tikz the llms are faster

[abstract nimbus]

ah well TikZ is a bit different than my original assumption

if it were python or basically any general purpose language i would tentatively disagree but fairly obscure "langs" like this fair enough

[heavy pagoda]

and less effort

[ancient lance]

I think there;s a good argument to be made to not use LLMs and do it manually instead. In that you should know how to do it, to be able to use more advanced "tools"

[old oak]

As a matter of fact LLMs have been demonstrated to work terribly with obscure langs: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2603.09678

TikZ and Python have an astonishingly huge amount of code available on the stackoverflow and github type sites

And it is a fair point that most code people write is very similar to code that has already been written

And since the whole point of LLMs and machine learning in general is pattern recognition and replication....

[abstract nimbus]

yes however temperature is a thing and seriously affects the output

llms are ok with really small scripts that do something very basic but once you get past that it becomes a mess really quickly in general purpose languages

[old oak]

(this is also why they are likely to replace humans in the kind of teaching/learning that does boil down to pattern recognition/repetition; and due to flaws in the current education system a lot of people do believe teaching/learning is supposed to be just that)

[old oak]

Sure, that's mostly what I had in mind, an individual script or function will likely be similar to something that already exists, but an entire system will not, and indeed I'm very skeptical of "vibe coding" larger projects.

Just to cut this off, you don't need to persuade me of all the problems with GenAI and vibe coding, I'm very much a hater.

I just try to concede that there are some cases where they can be legitimately useful; the cases are just much, much rarer than the hypesters want us to believe

[abstract mantle]

yes

[abstract nimbus]

an individual script sure but i wouldn't trust an llm to generate a function for an actual codebase i dont think

and im not really trying to convince btw im just discussing because i find this topic mildly interesting since i have a lot of stake in programming xd

[abstract mantle]

Not sure this argument is entirely convincing with TikZ. AIs don't do too well with TikZ but being able to generalise tikz (i.e. pick up on geometric features which are results of applying maths in ways left implicit in the code) seems quite hard

[old oak]

I mean, depends on what you mean by "trust", the concept of letting an LLM run wild at any scale is baffling to me, it should always be verified by a human and is only useful in the cases where the "LLM generation/human verification" approach is more efficient than "human just does the whole thing" approach.

[abstract nimbus]

by trust i mean "let it do it at all" because i've found a lot more success with just doing it from scratch in everything i've done programming wise but i do a lot of programming more low level stuff or just plain complex stuff and ai code is always a disaster in those applications, but it can be 'ok' with very small stuff. but an ai generating any code for any codebase tends to end up with you tweaking and eventually rewriting it anyways even for small stuff in an actual application because there's a lot of specific needs to meet with any odd function

like i personally use ai if i just need a throwaway script to idk rename a bunch of files in a very straightforward order but anything larger than that and i just do it myself

[old oak]

As you say, it can be 'ok' with very small stuff, and those are the cases I was referring to

[vast wraith]

this is awesome ahaha

[abstract nimbus]

one of the last times i tried ai for anything programming related i asked it to generate a simple "hello world" program on macos in aarch64 assembly and it proceeded to tell me:

1. that there were no assemblers for macos (false)
2. that if there was, gnu assembler was the only one (could not be falser)
3. that macos doesn't allow you to link assembly programs (false)
4. and that macos doesn't have system calls at all (????)

[spring cradle]

even for throwaway code I wouldn't even touch AI it really is a bad habit and causes a lot of issues later down

[old oak]

This is, like a lot of things in mathematics, entirely correct and not very useful, because people feel they're benefitting from using AI

[abstract nimbus]

mmmm well i do mean throwaway i mean "use once for a very simple task and delete" code for literally anything else definitely not

stuff that i gain absolutely nothing from writing myself, no time, no learning, no experience, just very brainless tasks

[spring cradle]

what langauge did you script in? for simple tasks I wouldn't even use AI unless the language is really verbose like java

[edgy hare]

Hi guys does anyone here doing competitive programming ?

[spring cradle]

it always strengthens your muscle memory for scripting and gives you a stronger foundation

[abstract nimbus]

i usually use python for my throwaway code but i would say that using ai for java is actually quite counterintuitive and probably a good way to get wrecked

[abstract nimbus]

typing the same things i've typed a billion times in the past does not benefit me lol

it would benefit me if there were challenge involved or time saved like with literally anything else

[old oak]

Yep, that is a very important argument, the point isn't just the output, it's the process (same with teaching, I try to keep reminding my students that the actual point of homework isn't that they give me the solved assignment, it's that they actually do the work of solving the assignment and learn something in the process)

[spring cradle]

hmm I wouldn't agree that you should only code if it is a challenge to you

dont you find some enjoyment in coding even if the difficulty is low?

[abstract nimbus]

i did not say that xd i said if there's any benefit at all

[old oak]

Hm, do you code for a living?

[spring cradle]

I cannot think of one reason any project wouldn't benefit you

[spring cradle]

I do code a lot but not for a living

[abstract nimbus]

what would be the benefit to writing a 100 line script in python that uses all the same stuff you've used a million times just in a slightly different configuration with a very basic for loop algorithm as it's main loop

[old oak]

In my experience a lot of code in an actual work environment does come across as dull, pointless drudgery, and the temptation to bypass that using an LLM is very strong (as is the temptation to dismiss the associated dangers, especially the subtler, more long-term ones)

[abstract nimbus]

that you will throw away in 2 minutes after you're done

[spring cradle]

you could always reuse pre existing code but what makes scripting beautiful is that code can always be modified and optimized, one thing that you did in the past you could do again but better

[abstract nimbus]

i would agree if someone didn't have that familiarity with the tools being used or were a beginner programmer but that's just not true to everybody

[spring cradle]

you shouldn't really throwaway most of the code you write

[abstract nimbus]

this is fair though but i tend to move on really quickly with small escapades i dont like it clogging my disk

[spring cradle]

ah you could always save it to github or some other site

[abstract nimbus]

however im neurotic about stuff like this so i would say im a good exception here

[abstract nimbus]

yeah it just doesnt feel right lmao and i know it sounds stupid but i get shifty with stuff like that

[spring cradle]

can I ask why?

[abstract nimbus]

i dont know it just feels really wrong to me to have stuff that i dont really care to preserve in anyway preserved it feels like a waste even if it isn't much of one logically

[spring cradle]

would you code in the future for a living?

[abstract nimbus]

i preserve code i care about but i don't really care about one off scripts and experiments so i tend to cull them very aggressively

[abstract nimbus]

certainly and any code i would do for a living regardless of the minimalism would never be llm generated ever

[spring cradle]

oh its just that its in good practice to save your code in a github repository because companies do like to see your experience and prior projects you have done to assess your knowledge

[abstract nimbus]

but my personal one off throwaway code if i dont feel like it that day i just llm generate it because i dont care about it it's not gonna benefit me in anyway or anybody else but doing it for a client i have to do it right and i can't trust an llm to do anything right imo, even if it would be "technically" functional

[spring cradle]

I would really like to see some of your code

[abstract nimbus]

oh yes i use github dw infact i have some code up on there i just still feel like it's a waste if code i don't care about it is there i delete it i have deleted SO many repos lol

i don't push to github very often though

[abstract nimbus]

https://github.com/mysztikk/toads-dsm/tree/main here's a project i have on github it's fairly simple and i haven't gotten around to finishing it yet but this is my most recent project

[spring cradle]

you code in assembly holyy

[rich remnant]

Can someone explain the cube roots of unity and how they are derived? Plz

[storm sage]

Why?

[abstract nimbus]

yepyep i'm trying to get pretty good at it so i'll be coding in for a while for likely the next year and a half

i do love it but it's not a very practical language certainly, i'm learning it to really get a grasp of the computer primarily

maybe one day i'll suggest compiler optimizations to GCC

[spring cradle]

thats actually really impressive I dont know too many people who code in assembly casually like this

I would really like to learn x64 bit asm some day

[abstract nimbus]

i can teach someday <insert some excited anime girl emoji i have one in mind but i dont have those type of emojis on hand>
it's not too hard to learn

[spring cradle]

do you have some documentation suggestion to start?

or books

[abstract nimbus]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/developer/articles/technical/intel-sdm.html the goat

for books specifically Programming from the Ground Up by Johnathan Barlett is like THE beginner assembly book, even if it's only 32 bit x86 the concepts transfer very very straightforwardly

but it does depend, are you windows or linux? if you're windows or intel macos you'll have to setup a linux vm to follow the book

windows assembly is interesting but brutal for beginners and macos assembly is legitimately like insanity for anybody

[spring cradle]

yeah I am on windows but it shouldn't be a issue and thank your for the docs

[abstract nimbus]

windows assembly is brutal for beginners because it's extremely opaque when you're unfamiliar with the concepts of assembly, once you've gained a good intuition for assembly windows assembly is unique but definitely comprehensible and macos engages in psychological warfare

linux just moves out the way for you and gives you a nice clean, powerful api to work with

[spring cradle]

yeah I have a linux subdomain if it gets too difficult

[abstract nimbus]

the only advice i can really give if you're doing windows assembly is that it's not as complicated as it might look everything you do has really simple concepts underneath them that are obscured by windows quirks

just keep that in mind and you might do just fine <3

[safe harbor]

LLM use will become compulsory for mathematicians in months imo

problem is that if you don't use it then others will and my personal prediction is that LLMs will enable people to go from 1-3 papers across a good PhD to dozens. could put money on it

[dreamy crag]

only maybe like heavly affected fields, like combinatorics

[safe harbor]

disagree, i've seen gpt pro proofs in analysis

[dreamy crag]

i mean yeah, but like, in more niech feilds, they just dont work yet

so i dont need to worry

ewe, nasty emoji

[glossy marlin]

were they correct? were they written well? was it something new?
chatgpt is generative, specifically built for text, not statistics or reasoning or big prompts, and it sucks at literally everything niche or complicated

[safe harbor]

i think this a good counterargument - they were not initially correct, but required re-prompting and manual guiding

[dreamy crag]

https://arxiv.org/html/2508.00459v1 im gonna start throwing this at people

[safe harbor]

whether it was new, I don't know, a result it gave was absolutely fantastic

[dreamy crag]

what was it

[safe harbor]

can post it here when it's on the arxiv, won't spill the beans

[dreamy crag]

is it on arxiv yet?

[safe harbor]

no i'm still writing the paper

[true zinc]

hey

[dreamy crag]

oh

[dreamy crag]

ello

[true zinc]

also enjoy this https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.14648, this was a paper written a few years ago by some of the researchers who were developing LLM's literally admitting that LLM's, by their design, must hallucinate

[dreamy crag]

will give it a read

[true zinc]

It is a pretty difficult read

[safe harbor]

idk i feel like people are understating it, my area is very niche and it can certainly do it

[glossy marlin]

in that case, if you knew how to write proofs and do a bit of the analysis, you could likely have found or proven it yourself

[dreamy crag]

what is your area?

[safe harbor]

unlikely because it uses a result I would've never thought to look for which was the key ingredient

[safe harbor]

this is computable functional analysis

actually i'll tweak that a bit because it doxes me

[dreamy crag]

> "niche"
> looks inside
> linear algebra

/hj

[true zinc]

Spectral theory is a pretty big field

[dreamy crag]

id guess so

[safe harbor]

the approach is unique as far as I know

[dreamy crag]

i mean yeah, but thats like, all math tho?

[safe harbor]

as in the research direction

[dreamy crag]

no other paper is similar to impartial games with activness, doesnt make it special

[glossy marlin]

with some practice or time you could likely have thought to look for it, and discovering it or explaining it well tend to be some of the most enjoyable parts of maths.

[dreamy crag]

this paper is so... ✨ unique ✨

[safe harbor]

i think it would've been very hard, this is by far the most complicated result that will have been proven in this area. but I think someone who knew a bit more on the analysis side might've got it. I think there's two main ingredients you had to bring together

but a lot of people in this area come from applied and computational analysis and might be weaker on the more obscure analysis

[dreamy crag]

idk, in my little amount of experince will llms with cgt, they are fucking ass

[true zinc]

It is much much better for linear algebra, calculus, and other fields with a lot more resources

[dreamy crag]

$\uparrow^2={0|*2}$ hmm yes thank you genimi

[fathom swallow]

Alexander cgt queen He/Him

[latent edge]

with number theory it's so ass

[safe harbor]

are people using free or the premium models

[dreamy crag]

yeah, its good i guess for things that are linear alg adjacent, but like,,, not for much else

[safe harbor]

i might have lower standards than other people, if it can give an ass skeleton proof that's wrong enough in the right direction to become a correct proof, I consider that a success. not expecting it to be right first time with new stuff

it's nowhere near the level of trotting out publishable proofs but i think it'll become a necessary assistant soon. happy to be proved wrong

[glossy marlin]

afaik both are relatively bad

[safe harbor]

word on the street is that journals are prepared for an influx of ai-assisted papers as well

[latent edge]

premium is like you pay a lot but for the same shitty output

[true zinc]

The free models at-least for gpt are now so bad that they're utterly useless and the pro model is as good as the old free ones

[glossy marlin]

-# some AI companies said themselves that it´s not made for maths, it´s best at regurgitating popular things, and large models hallucinate more

[safe harbor]

idk what to say except i disagree, i think they are fantastic and have already far exceeded any expectations i had. but those expectations were lower than other people because i came into it as a neo-luddite thinking it would be trash

[true zinc]

I will admit, I've used LLM's for programming, not writing entire programs for me, mind you, rather looking up very obscure functions that I can't figure out. if I give them enough context, such as copy-pasting a function definition, they can usually come up wth a few stupid examples that help me at-least get my bearings. They're also somewhat good with fixing type theoretic spaghetti errors I get when writing very type-generic code or stuff. I think for things like that, they're not the worst, as sometimes it is genuinely hell to debug code, but like....this is not something that justifies them being used literally everywhere

[latent edge]

I would be interested if we get more reasoning models other than plain old LLM thing

[safe harbor]

openai is marketing their llms for math, they solved an erdos conjecture just now

another one unit distance something

[true zinc]

Though with how bad LLM's have gone, they will need a lot, and I mean a lot, of successes to sway many people

[safe harbor]

they actually got a correct proof almost the first time apparently, unless they solved it by human and then claimed it was ai

[vast wraith]

mex

[vivid halo]

https://openai.com/index/model-disproves-discrete-geometry-conjecture/

[dreamy crag]

minimum excluded

[vivid halo]

amazing to watch the reaction from mathematicians split between "this is amazing" and "I am going to kill myself"

[safe harbor]

i don't think that's a public model tbf, top mathematicians are being given access to non-public models

gowers probably has access to non-public models

[glossy marlin]

yeah, it can pretty easily exceed your expectations if your expectations are that it´ll be about as good at maths as your thirty year old family toaster, but it gets nowhere close to the capabilities most humans have.
sometimes it gives you useful phrases or a few citations, but all work needs to be verified by one or two other parties and the writing is best done by a human.

[dreamy crag]

also, i know its to be expected, but the article is ai gened

[vivid halo]

yeah my previous PhD advisor has had access to non public models and has been asked to give feedback to developers at some point

[safe harbor]

yes the section titles on the paper look like the ones that GPT Pro produces, probably all AI-generated or rewritten

[vivid halo]

you definitely have to pay a decent amount of money to have access to the best models, particularly to the compute resources needed to run them

[safe harbor]

yeah gpt pro is $200 p/m, not very accessible

[true zinc]

stares at $200 for GPTPro subscriptions

[safe harbor]

my supervisor defends that it is "worth every penny". I'm not sure if I'd say that yet

[dreamy crag]

its that fucking expensive???

[vivid halo]

$200 per month is definitely not the top of this scale lol

[safe harbor]

i actually find it never gives useful citations and hallucinates almost all of them that's a major gripe of mine, it'll say "Theorem x.x in this paper" and it straight up isn't there. There might not even be a section x. Or the theorems might be numbered as Theorem X

[true zinc]

$20 for the premium model, which is...meh, from personal experience (GPT free trial (so I got it for free), our software design project for class was gonna use an LLM API, it just happened to work out timing wise), and $200 for the pro, which obviously I am not putting cash down to try

[vivid halo]

people definitely pay upwards of a few grand a month when using these things in professional settings

[safe harbor]

it can't actually access a lot of books that it cites which is why this happens, it'll just think this book has this result and cites it

[glossy marlin]

yeah, a few people get some private models and some companies specifically develop e.g. reasoning / maths models, usually with very similar architecture and training methods to their more primitive text prediction machines afaik

[vivid halo]

reminder that access to Bloomberg terminal software is $30k a year for subscription

[true zinc]

What is bloomberg terminal?

[vivid halo]

it's the software that most professional stock investers use

[glossy marlin]

yeah, once in a blue moon it gives you a bunch of somewhat helpful citations but usually it sucks at the maths, googling and word vomit

[safe harbor]

hub for financial data (bloomberg terminal)

so it's worth some $$

[vivid halo]

yeah it's basically a giant database of financial data and industrial network information

[safe harbor]

the problem I have is that the maths is very often correct, but then I ask for a citation and it can't give it, leaving me dubious and needing to consult an expert to check if a result is known

[glossy marlin]

sometimes more expensive. companies are going back to hiring human software devs and such

[vivid halo]

like imagine having the graph which tells you which companies buy how much and sell how much to other companies

[upper bone]

Our uni has a limited Bloomberg subscription and you can get to use one if you go through a training program but its competitive

[glossy marlin]

-# or furry/therian software devs or whatever, just not subscriptions to matrix multiplication

[dreamy crag]

did someone call me?

[true zinc]

what if the job is in applied linear algebra

[zealous garden]

Realistically enough time to check in on everything that isn't otherwise brought to my attention, need less of these soul sucking demons so that I may achieve opus after opus until magnum opus (and then some more)

[mellow pond]

me in an alternate timeline where i end up going into software engineering instead of mechanical engineering

[wintry spear]

Mechanical!

[ashen marsh]

you can do both

if you do robotics youll want to design control systems

or i mean like anything with motors that moves

diff geo will be insane for that

[dreamy crag]

what field?

not how that works but ok

[glossy marlin]

-# that is a good reason to drop out (or fail)

combinatorics might change a bit, AI will still suck ass and no company could profit from it if anyone cared about human rights or actual art

[latent edge]

This person is just talking out of their ass

[dreamy crag]

"what field"
"i was in undergrad, i wasnt doing a field"

bro was just studying the vauge concept of math ig 😭

[ashen marsh]

chatgpt wont take your paintbrush away

[dreamy crag]

if llms improve at the rate they are now (which they wont, they will plataue), we still have like a good 20-30 years before most of us even need to worry

[ashen marsh]

this is a philosophical issue, i dont think that people do math to make money

[dreamy crag]

chat gpt cant do this

[ashen marsh]

holy shit!!! what is that

[dreamy crag]

a combinatorial game :3

[ashen marsh]

thats so cool :D

[dreamy crag]

https://arxiv.org/html/2508.00459v1 me when im wrong 😭

cause ais halucniate

[latent edge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/497227343337881640/1494384382910267453/200.gif

[dreamy crag]

i need to stop engaging with trolls/dumbasses

[ashen marsh]

why talk to a friend when you can search online;

because you are kind? and you care about people? and you take pride in what you make because it is you?

[glossy marlin]

I know but like. the big fields will get a handful of new proofs, little to nothing will happen in the small or complicated fields or hypotheses. AI will continue to have massive problems with architecture and performance, everything will need to be peer reviewed half a dozen times and OpenAI will likely face tens of thousands of lawsuits.

[vivid halo]

lol pathetic

[round sky]

These clankers are taking over the world!!!!

[dreamy crag]

ai has equal likelyhood of proving P vs NP as i do in convincing nG and nD into liking cgt 😭

[ashen marsh]

if we can figure out what -1 is the entire field of math will be finished!

this is not different than "AI art"

i dont care that we brute forced some random number thing

i want to make cool shit with my hands

[dreamy crag]

these are literaly all llm proofs, they are just throwing enough shit at the wall until they find something that sticks

[glossy marlin]

what if you wisely warned people about the costs or ethics?

[ashen marsh]

monte carlo simulation is really funny ahahha

[unborn trellis]

let me join a discord, say something annoying, and then berate people for disagreeing. this will really "warn them"

[round sky]

Can AI solve my loneliness?

[ashen marsh]

yeah i could get social security and play video games too

money isnt real

[dreamy crag]

ai uses less water than golfing courses
literaly just wrong

[ashen marsh]

holy jimmy beast pfp

[latent edge]

Me think bro might be related to the mrbeast scams

[unborn trellis]

bro is fighting clouds

[ashen marsh]

okay lmao and i am literally saying that i am like, so soft right now and rolling on the floor and it feels so nice

[latent edge]

https://tenor.com/view/performative-matcha-annoying-performative-final-boss-gif-6752005259953898806

[round sky]

the paper also said:

This result does not show us all the times AI has claimed to have a proof of something and been
wrong. Without that context (which many of us have just from personal experience), it is also easy
to draw incorrect conclusions about the current state of AI and research mathematics. In many
cases, it will be easier for AI to convince humans it has a proof than to come up with a correct
mathematical argument, and I believe that we as mathematicians are not sufficiently prepared for
this.

[dreamy crag]

im not getting any number higher than a few billion for golf

[ashen marsh]

its an openAI paper theyre trying to motivate "wow its almost like- gosh- like an A I arms race! we need AI to validate these outrageous claims :O"

this is propaganda

whats 1+1

[glossy marlin]

can it provide healthcare on its own, can it do chores on its own, can it get enough money to fly a dozen people to me, can it give us human rights, can it satisfy my thirst for knowledge

[round sky]

Guess what they're talking about you, jimmy.

[ashen marsh]

probably, hypothetically, sure

[dreamy crag]

at what point can ineptitude be classified as bad faith so we can stick this guy with the upsilon

[abstract gale]

@merry helm what is your main account

[ashen marsh]

no i mean go grab one wood block and grab another and see how many you have

[abstract gale]

for sure

[ashen marsh]

unironically

[crude barn]

Note this quote was conditioned on a false belief Gowers had prior to hearing further details that the AI had established the believed upper bound.

[abstract gale]

what does that prove

[glossy marlin]

AI is absolutely horrible at basically all maths and its writing quirks are very well known, they said nonsense like this a couple years ago, it´s basically all propaganda

[dreamy crag]

if this guy is here by tomorrow im actualy gonna see if i can get someone to get him out of serious disscusy for not engaging with others in a civil manner istg

[ashen marsh]

there is no nirvanna there is only your work

"really good at math"

[dreamy crag]

also, the moment you go away from something that is well known, it starts making more things up than i do when i want to get out of an argument with someone

[ashen marsh]

nothingburger

[crude barn]

Most likely scenario is all human becomes obsolete in ~10 years and so it doesn't particularly matter what people choose to spend their time on, and may as well do something they enjoy.

[ashen marsh]

????

[dreamy crag]

not most likely

[ashen marsh]

holy shit capitalism is so fucked up why do people believe this

[crude barn]

I believe it I don't think it's a good thing....

[glossy marlin]

basically nobody on reddit is gonna listen because it´s bs, nobody on discord is gonna listen because it´s bs, basically all the people I talk to on a regular basis will not trust immoral companies sponsored by the US military, and can see straight through the rest of the nonsense in politics

[dreamy crag]

most likely is rich olegarcs use the growwing amount of faccist dictators to extract every reasors on the planet so they can live forever while the working class dies of dehydration/getting killed by ice

[crude barn]

That is indeed consistent with my scenario

[ashen marsh]

you are your own god, and you will not be erased. do you ever look up in to the night sky and think, "fuck im irrelevant. lifes pointess"?? me neither!

[dreamy crag]

you said obseliete, thats very much diferent

[ashen marsh]

what is the conclusion here

[dreamy crag]

literaly the first fucking comment...

[opal isle]

everyone on mathoverflow is scared (most users are professors): https://mathoverflow.net/questions/511484/is-this-an-even-worse-moment-for-a-math-career
did you even read the replies in this link

[ashen marsh]

when photoshop was invented people did not stop using pencils

[opal isle]

lol

[dreamy crag]

no

[opal isle]

take, evidence
evidence evidently disproves take
th-they're coping!!!

[round sky]

jimmy's existence scares me more than AI

[glossy marlin]

we know they also absolutely suck. it´s made to predict the next word. it will be confidently incorrect because that gives a bigger reward than saying "sorry, I can´t do that" or whatever. it has no reasoning built into its architecture.
AI companies said themselves that generative AI sucks, will continue to suck, has fundamental flaws and limitations, will hallucinate, will in fact hallucinate more and more as it gets bigger and is fed more data, we can pretty confidently say it sucks
older models already got somewhat complicated or niche questions wrong over 40% of the time

[dreamy crag]

this is actualy a really nice post its reasuring

at what point do we just let our jimbo friend just yell into the void and ignore him?

[opal isle]

now

[dreamy crag]

he isnt listening, and this isnt sparking discussion

[glossy marlin]

it´s just tokens

[dreamy crag]

please, i know its frustrating, but we need to stop interacting

[glossy marlin]

that´s literally how it works. words. random words

[opal isle]

i think this is just an openai shill

literally being paid by openai as we speak to post this garbage

[ashen marsh]

i think this is also a kind of propaganda that locks you into "the world is capitalist, it sucks! but oooh well thats the way everything is haha. go interact with the market now please"

[dreamy crag]

and nobody is buying it humanity is healing /hj

[round sky]

<@&268886789983436800>

[dreamy crag]

its not, but if people dont activly fight for their rights, it will be what happesn

[opal isle]

did AI destroy your ability to read? i didn't say you were an AI

[glossy marlin]

if I bought it and found any similar flaws I´d get my money back a hundred times over

[ashen marsh]

capitalism bad i agree but like my day to day life is not directly impacted by whatever corrupt world leaders are up to at that exact moment

[opal isle]

"i'm not an AI" big words from a prompt guzzler

[dreamy crag]

i do belive that if people starting acting now, we have a decent chance of stopping this trudge towards humanities end

[glossy marlin]

I´m not giving them a single god damn cent given their associations and history

[dreamy crag]

mine is, quite a lot

[ashen marsh]

because they dont need to, money isnt real. people are addicted to LLMs

[glossy marlin]

yeah, you´re a bit too slow for an AI, but you´re also pretty un-/misinformed for a human

[dreamy crag]

yall, please, stop engaging

[wild lantern]

Go outside

Christ

[glossy marlin]

maybe you should get some therapy then?

[dreamy crag]

i wanna talk about capitalism or smtn

[crude barn]

Which is better

[round sky]

#rules message

Do not spam, flood, or post unsolicited advertisements. Do not post responses written by ChatGPT or a similar AI tool.

[glossy marlin]

-# AI is capitalism

[ashen marsh]

<3 , .. (hug) yeah same. but, despite it all, i am sleepy and my bed is soft

[wild lantern]

Great but until then you shilling is not helpful or welcome

[dreamy crag]

yes but we should not just try and argue with the ai meat guzzler unti we die, we should talk about actualy important/interesting things

[wild lantern]

Go throw more money at daddy musk

[ashen marsh]

yeah agreed

[crude barn]

Capitalism is AI this is true

[wild lantern]

Kk sounds like a plan

[dreamy crag]

my recomendation: start interacting with your community more. the best place to start is localy. just helping out with paying for groceries for your neigbors, walking dogs, ect. do what you can to make the world a kinder and more safe place for those around you

[wild lantern]

(c)a(p)i(talism) oh fuggg

[dreamy crag]

easier said than done, i know, but it will help you in the long term, so even if you are a self centered prick, id recomend trying

[glossy marlin]

guess what, a lotta software devs say claude sucks at coding, english majors say chatgpt can´t do basic literary analysis, somebody gotta make the AI, train it, fix it, keep it in check, whatever

[ashen marsh]

i have been doing this recently and its been rly rly nice

[opal isle]

stooooppp ommgggggg stoppppp giving them attention

[dreamy crag]

(i help grade some papers for my english teacher, just as an extra pair of eyes, and holy shit its so bad)

[glossy marlin]

yeah, I´ve seen it in action a couple times. some preschoolers do better

[crude barn]

First concrete application of algebraic number theory since Cryptography is raising the valuation of openAI

[ashen marsh]

i hope desperately that it leads to some radical reform of the education system toward more empathy focused communal classes

[dreamy crag]

quick tip! if its an analysis on a semi popular story, search up "analysis of [story]" then look at the most popular reselt. 90% of the time ai will do the exact same points in the exact same order

[dreamy crag]

the education system is broken, and wether you wanna be a conspiricy theorist or not, it will not be fixed without proper action

[ashen marsh]

yea

its so hard to break out of the mindsets and out of my own head

[glossy marlin]

-# letterbomb the AI companies, letterbomb the legislators,

[ashen marsh]

i have been reading so much pedagogy over the past 3 months

[dreamy crag]

we dont need letters where we are going /JOKE I AM NOT ENDORCING ACTS OF TERRORIRSM THIS IS A JOKE

why the fuck u lying, why you always lyyyyyyyyyyyyyying

[opal isle]

stooooppp ommgggggg stoppppp giving them attention

[dreamy crag]

im sorry it was funny to me :<

[opal isle]

ok fair

[dreamy crag]

i wanna talk about contemporary art

[ashen marsh]

!!!

[glossy marlin]

I´ve touched grass (and some airborne grass has touched me) recently. most progressive thing about this country is that everyone already hates AI

[dreamy crag]

anyone wanna listen to an autstic girl yap about rothco?

[ashen marsh]

yes

fuck please yes i have been analogizing category theory to whos afraid of red yellow and blue

[crude barn]

It doesn't matter what you do you're getting left behind. Just leave ppl be

[dreamy crag]

ok so, rothco is my favorite artist, and i dont think that will ever change (altho mary shelly, dr nowhere, gooseworks and the rest are also good, if u want recomendations, i got lots)

[ebon garden]

i think jimmy is a spam account, acc made today and joined today

[lost spruce]

Oomf you didn't have to say you were autistic and rothco in the same sentence 🥀

[dreamy crag]

/silly

[verbal quest]

ragebait in serious
and they still take the bait
smh

[lost spruce]

Oh....

[glossy marlin]

literally everyone I´ve talked to in person in the last year or two (except a handful of kids) despises generative AI

[ashen marsh]

palantir has an autism scholarship where they claim autistic ppl are a genetically superior race unironically

[dreamy crag]

palantir based????

[lost spruce]

What? Where can I sign up i WANT MONEY GIVE ME FUCKING MONEY

[ashen marsh]

gooseworks changed me

[lost spruce]

Honestly, I hate those fuckers but give me money

[glossy marlin]

it´s evolving, but backwards

[dreamy crag]

ive been there since the undertale covers :3

[verbal quest]

he just openly admitted to ragebaiting
and y'all are still taking the bait
STILL

[ashen marsh]

peak omg

[lost spruce]

The last person I knew made undertale covers

uh

[glossy marlin]

of course I hate elon. I like human rights.

[lost spruce]

we don't talk about them

[dreamy crag]

this could be like 15 people 😭

[dreamy crag]

whats ur favorite (non tadc) work of theirs :3

[lost spruce]

I like knights of guinevere

guinevere?

[ashen marsh]

runmo 🥹

i havent watched tadc

[lost spruce]

the robot otherkin gay lady, that one

[dreamy crag]

mine is elain gets adopted. shit hits so close to home i started self harming

[lost spruce]

don't its bad, it has ||yuri||

[glossy marlin]

yeah, I´d be happier if we weren´t talking

[lost spruce]

yuri spoiler, for yuri

[dreamy crag]

go watch it!!!! its so peak :3 no bias at allll trust

[latent edge]

https://tenor.com/view/clownpiece-touhou-anime-focus-gif-16446473

[lost spruce]

talk to us we're talking about tadc

[ashen marsh]

well tbh i really liked gooseworx's music

[round sky]

<@&268886789983436800>

[latent edge]

Anyways when are we smiting this fart fella

[dreamy crag]

my favorite show probably. gravity falls is peak tho

[glossy marlin]

right hand of hitler 2.0 and mechahitler, literally using "heil"... impressive

[dreamy crag]

OMG STOP

[ashen marsh]

oo elain gets adopted was really good

[dreamy crag]

fuckinggggg back to rothco

[lost spruce]

these are two of my favorite shows ever

thanks doot btw

[dreamy crag]

when i went to my local art musium, there was a rothco, and i legit staired at it for nearly 5 minutes before my grandma found me

[lost spruce]

jjk spoilers, can you guess what my favourite manga is?

its not rent a girlfriend

[latent edge]

MHA

[lost spruce]

I will blow you up with a bomb, and my mind and when you reincarnate I will find you

[bold carbon]

I feel we need better laws that restrict development of AI responsibly, such that even people like Elon Musk are able to avoid the bad consequences of "people individually being so frustrated that it results in unpredictable violence" by modifying their behaviour appropriately

[crude barn]

Seems dumb to give in to stochastic political violence. There are much better justifications for regulating the development of AI surely.

[glossy marlin]

-# dungeon meshi?

[lost spruce]

Close! I do really like that anime but its not rent a girlfriend

i like that show it encourages healthy eating habits

[ashen marsh]

ooo

i sometimes go to museums for an afternoon and autistically stare at one piece for an hour

its like a challenge to see how much i can find

i havent been in a while and tbh ive only done it like once or twice

but i was really proud of myself

i can remember a lot about those pieces and i still think about them

i like ones made out of like, i guess its sort of like big chunky paint on welded metal layers

its like zooming in on a Mandelbrot set

[inland dawn]

I dont understand why I'm so scared of communicating with my partner when we've communicated so much when we dated before and I know she's totally open to discussions about her relationship

[round sky]

I don't think seeking advice about personal relationships in Discord is the right way approaching it; consider therapy or talking to people you know personally.

[inland dawn]

How helpful i didnt think of that!

Its almost like therapy isn't free and personal connections introduces bias

Do you not understand the concept of venting to strangers being easier?

If i was able to talk to the people near me the issue at hand wouldn't exist

[glossy marlin]

there are a thousand possible reasons and all the combinations.
maybe it´s that you miss the dates, maybe you´re so scared of saying the wrong things that you´re scared of saying anything at all, maybe you don´t really know what to do with yourself, etc., I couldn´t figure out or tell you what exactly it is through the screen.

[inland dawn]

Ita unfortunately none of that and ice thought of every logical reason and it just doesn't have a conclusion

I genuinly wish it was as easy as blaming it on trauma from past bad experiences about opening up but I've got nothing like that

[cold needle]

Ts not a venting channel i fear

[inland dawn]

Theres so many responses i have to that

That i just don't have the energy to write

[cold needle]

Ok

[inland dawn]

I guess easiest way to put it is

Please point to any rule or guidelines or even suggestion that says you can't talk about serious personal issues in the serious discussions chat

[cold needle]

No

heres my take

if you wanted to have a serious conversation maybe you shouldnt respond with sarcasm when someone is just trying to be helpful

i understand you’re jaded but like

Most of the time people are just speaking into the void into this channel

in any case its like whatever ig

[inland dawn]

So you don't have an issue with me venting but just my sacracsitc response. Then say so, so that I know where I went wrong

[cold needle]

This channel is so strange

[inland dawn]

Jesus christ

[cold needle]

no thats not what i said

Both i think are my assertions

[inland dawn]

Well I'm just reading what you're saying and what you said was
1: dont vent in the chat
2: if I wanted to have a serious discussions I shouldn't respond with sarcasm

[cold needle]

Correct

[inland dawn]

1. Nothing states I cant
2. Damn im sorry but don't baby me I know obvious things and sarcasm is just a part of my vocabulary

[cold needle]

Alright

continue as you were i guess

[inland dawn]

Thank you

[analog loom]

guys what do you do when you hit a wall like when you know all the facts about a concept but you still don't understand it and find it intuitive(other than giving up of course)

[inland dawn]

Whenever I hit a wall I usually try and either contact a professional in the field to try and get a new insight or take a break until inspiratiom hits

[zealous garden]

Whenever I hit a wall, I hit it harder

[visual storm]

Heyy Should I learn mathematical thinking before learning mathematics? What do you say?

[surreal sapphire]

what is "mathematical thinking" and how do you learn it other than by just doing mathematics

[wet berry]

Do you guys know where I can contact the people investigating the San Diego Mosque Shooting?

[verbal quest]

probably SDPD or FBI or Homeland

[wet berry]

Thanks

https://tips.fbi.gov/digitalmedia/590984776650f91

In case someone else reading this needs it

[ancient lance]

probably already been talked about, but why 😭

[light horizon]

Possibly the kind of thing you learn in like an intro proofs course, as opposed to say the content of an algebra or analysis course or whatnot

[thorn wren]

Alright so following this up a little later.

Per #info :

Our rules are intentionally vague and incomplete. Just because something is not explicitly forbidden here, does not mean it is okay to do. Instead we have a set of standards for our community that we’re trying to upkeep, and moderators reserve their right to exercise personal judgement in deciding whether a given user’s conduct falls out of line with these standards.
Or shorter, if a moderator advises you to stop doing something, you stop doing it. If you want to follow it up or suspect mod abuse, contact @polar panther, however you should comply with moderation directions first.

While there is no specific guidelines saying this channel is very strongly not intended for trauma/venting, that is where the adjective appropriate serious/heavy topics comes into play. While we appreciate that many of our active users have their own personal struggles, these issues are simply not appropriate for a public server, both because they can be distressing for other users of the channel, and also because we're unable to protect users from any adverse reactions they may receive to that content, or any poor advice they may receive that could lead to them being harmed. There are other servers better equipped to handle users venting that we request you use instead.

Furthermore, a core part of our moderation policy for #serious-discussion is things you say will be taken as your bonafide opinion on the matter. This is a serious channel. If you do not want to comply with that you're welcome to not use it, otherwise you will be moderated appropriately. "I was just being sarcastic" is not an excuse for saying objectionable things.

Now had you simply taken the moderator's redirection in stride I would not be having to follow this up, however I will now be placing a note in your moderation record directing that any future failure to follow moderation action should be escalated, and any inappropriate discussion of personal issues in this channel will result in your indefinite removal from it, given that you've now had these policies explained in detail to you and we can no longer afford you any benefit of the doubt here.

.note 284358920133410816 Any futher failure to comply with moderation direction should be escalated. Any further use of serious discussion to 'vent' should result in indefinite removal from the channel via the upsilon role. Furthermore, user has had the expectation that comments made in serious discussion represent their bonafide opinion explained in depth to them so no benefit of the doubt should be given regarding this.

[quasi jetty]

[#48405](#〖tickets〗 message): Note created!

[stoic tusk]

.

seriously

ok on a serious note bye

[tight saddle]

Our rules are intentionally vague and incomplete.

[west bone]

2224 character note for sarcasm

Wow

[tight saddle]

3000iq move

[west bone]

Oh wait it is probably around 2600 nvm

[modern phoenix]

Sounds like my data science rubrics

[ashen mauve]

Many anarchists waste their energy on useless arguments over ideology.

In particular, green anarchist movement has attracted too many mentally disorganized people who are deficient in self-control.

[cursive fossil]

orange cats are cool

[gaunt olive]

Hi guys I am in 10 class I have an exam would anyone like to have a race with me for maths

I am also new

[olive ridge]

fr

[frail pier]

hey guys i need a math buddy like who can motivate me, i can help you ,you can help me too, someone who is always looking to discuss math pls dm me i would love to talk and be friends

[loud field]

What level are you? Bachelor/ master etc?

Maybe it help you find somekne if you mention and be specific

[frail pier]

i am high school ,pre uni level

very good at number theory and algebra, ok in geometry, and also great in calculus

[ancient lance]

People , PLEASE see the channel description first

go to #discussion or #math-discussion or #study-discussion

( hope this is allowed mods)

[frail pier]

sorry

[hollow lintel]

I am not online everyday every time but I can talk and help you in maths dm me bro

[stoic tusk]

seriously

[night cobalt]

yo guys can someone help me check my state machine diagram

[glossy marlin]

-# can someone read the channel names and descriptions

[ancient lance]

PLEASE see the channel description first

[ancient lance]

About this channel

General discussion of appropriate serious/heavy topics, such as religion or politics. No particular focus on mathematics

[zealous garden]

!help

[quasi jetty]

To ask for mathematics help on this server, please open your own help channel or help thread. See #❓how-to-get-help for instructions.

[frosty zephyr]

Guys is there any channel for college discussion
Anyways I and a ques
How is apu. Like honestly speaking, is the studies over there tuff

[storm sage]

That's funny, I don't usually think of anarchists of arguing over ideology, I think of the Marxists that way

Anarchists always tend to be more praxis-oriented in my mind

Consensus-building can be so tedious though...

[azure violet]

trans people are good

I mean not all are

but the concept of transgenderism is good I think

[glossy marlin]

-# don´t call it -ism please

[ancient lance]

I suppose as this potrays it as a choice?

[glossy marlin]

• disorder
• weird religion
• choice
• ...

[ancient lance]

Noted

[zealous garden]

What's wrong with it being a disorder

I have to go back to work soon so I'll drop the skeleton of my take:
ADHD is a disorder, Aspbergers and high functioning autism are still disorders, what's actually wrong with it being a disorder

[glossy marlin]

well, it isn´t a disorder. it can be disordered, that´s dysphoria.
and the right wing loves to say that people need help with being trans (that it should be shocked / beaten / medicated out of them) instead of help with dysphoria (access to hormones)

[zealous garden]

I would argue it straight up is a disorder

ADHD doesn't need medication, it needs a different societal plan

ADHD enjoyers are happier than the average in hunter gatherer societies

It's the fit in the society which makes it disordered

I don't think there's very many societies where you can assert a transgender life without being misfit or suffering from it, if there are any at all

[glossy marlin]

it´s not just about how bad it is the way you were born and raised, that gives a lot of people doubt, it´s about how much better it would be another way.
transphobia and dysphoria are the deadly things.

[zealous garden]

Thinking the "disorder" is what needs to change, is what needs to be changed

[true zinc]

FWIW I would be significantly happier to not have autism and adhd

Maybe it's due to society, but I feel like my body is constantly being torn apart by everything wrong with me, and so I don't really know how changing society to be more fitting would change much

[abstract nimbus]

It's kind of a weird take and I feel like there's some sort of logical misstep in it but I can't exactly name it

[tight hornet]

should I learn advanced math or learn a new language

I’ve got a lot of free time rn

[true zinc]

Read the room, this is not the time to ask such a question here

[tight hornet]

it’s a serious question channel no?

[true zinc]

Mine or wraith or azalea's?

[abstract nimbus]

Wraith's

[tight hornet]

I need to devote my nex 10 months to something important

[true zinc]

Do you not see that there is a pre-existing conversation?

[tight hornet]

sorry didn’t know you owned the channel

[tight hornet]

Wow you must be such a friendly person irl

So rude ! I’m reporting you

[abstract nimbus]

bro 💀

[thorn wren]

sonion rings I'm crine

[glossy marlin]

general discussion of appropriate serious / heavy topics, such as religion or politics
-# or the existing discussion
it´s not just about not joking around

[true zinc]

I don't, but this is also a question that would have been fine to ask in say, #discussion , either way, do what you find interesting, if you want to learn a language, please do go learn a new langage, if you want to learn mathematics, then go learn mahematics, do what you would find fulfilling in that timeframe. No-one is stopping you from doing multiple things at the same time either.

Also if you do want to report me, go report me in @polar panther 's direct messages. That's what it's for.

Either way, Nothing I have said here, in any way, implies that I "own" this Discord channel. I was merely pointing out the fact that you asked a question that could probably have gotten better coverage in other channels or would not have interrupted or seemed-to-interrupt an already ongoing heavy conversation.

[thorn wren]

new user coming in and mansplaining what a channel they didn't read the description of is for to visibly established user

[tight hornet]

Joking around??? I’m asking a serious question on what to devote my next 10 months of life to in terms of either learning advance math or something else but clearly I’m not welcome here

[glossy marlin]

what to learn is up to you and not really a heavy topic, you could have asked in #discussion or whatever. you got mad at the people here.

[tight hornet]

I’m not mad I’m a very loving person

[glossy marlin]

^

[zealous garden]

I'm sure a lot of people would be happier if they were cis

[true zinc]

Your question, either way, would have been a significantly better fit for #discussion or #study-discussion rather than barging into an ongoing heavy discussion in #serious-discussion without meaningfully contributing to the ongoing conversation (or started a second parallel conversation on another serious topic. I am not saying that your studying woes are unserious, but they are not (to my understanding) under the spirit of the term "serious" in the serious discussion channel.

[tight hornet]

Oh sorry that’s my emotions acting up, I’ve got a disorder where I change personalities a lot

Sorry guys

[true zinc]

I-

I am not going to say you're faking, but....

[thorn wren]

this entire conersation is absolute cinema

[true zinc]

Imagine saying that as an excuse for behaviour to someone with DID who is literally calling you out

[glossy marlin]

a bunch of people just hate the dysphoria, and would hate to be cis

[north osprey]

Fr

[tight hornet]

Ok I understand, won’t happen again

But you have to admit it was rude of you to assume you own all authority of any user posting a message in this chat (on topic or not) because there’s an “ongoing” discussion involving you and others already

But I get my mistake and I’ll direct my thoughts to the correct channel!

Problem solved, no argument needed.

[zealous garden]

A bunch of people just hate how society works and would hate to not have adhd

[zealous garden]

I had to go to school to get this good

[true zinc]

I think I would be very happy to not have ADHD purely because I then won't hyperfocus on random shit for weeks at a time and be unable to detach for them, always be incredibly scatterbrained, etc etc... it's just not worth it in my opinion and I am frequently very jealous of "normal" people

[glossy marlin]

yeah, both exist

[zealous garden]

I greatly enjoy hyperfocusing, sucks to suck

[true zinc]

I just want to be normal, I know "normal" isn't really a thing, but I guess closer to the statistical average

[zealous garden]

I like to stay away from that shit

[true zinc]

Sure, I got like 8 chapters of a notes book I was writing for theory of computation done in just about a week, which was fun, but doing stuff like that is just so incredibly tiring so I don't really understand how people just...recover from it

[zealous garden]

Recover? Tiring?

[true zinc]

Though I will say, that was also a week where I was having bad mania but I really did enjoy writing so much and actually being able to think of ideas and put words on a page

[zealous garden]

The only thing that's tiring for me is when I DON'T do that

[flat harbor]

im not scrolling thru ts so ull have to give me the rundown but i feel like its gonna be day in day out

[true zinc]

I was writing for 14-16 hours a day and didn't sleep for most of the week

[flat harbor]

yet another "it is what it is" serious discussion moment

[zealous garden]

Fun

You were having so much fun that it didn't fit in the day

[true zinc]

The only other time I pulled something like that out of my hat was when I did that multilinear algebra presentation for my uni's math club and wrote like 90 slides + 20 full pages on multilinear algebra, modules, and tensors in about 4 days in December 2024

[harsh cove]

What do you guys think of content creators who post literally NSFW minus the uh. . You know, in YT? Kids can get curious about it and people think its ok

[zealous garden]

Who think it's OK?

[true zinc]

It is very obviously not okay

[zealous garden]

CPS is one call away

[harsh cove]

I was literally calling the Content creator out

[glossy marlin]

okay, let me put it this way. is being a woman a disorder, and should it be beaten out of me because a doctor said my bits were big enough?
that´s what the right wing thinks. that´s the problem with calling it a disorder. that´s one of the reasons it´s hard to discuss in some spaces.
dysphoria would still be deadly if people didn´t despise us and the medical system kinda worked. many other trans people function pretty well.

[harsh cove]

But the comments are just saying "Its not our fault kids have unsupervised internet access"

[zealous garden]

People post NSFW in YouTube too, Parents do job please and thank you.

[zealous garden]

Facts?

[mossy bramble]

Why are electrons represented by waves? In shrodinger equation or mostly anywhere they're talked about.
I don't understand why the use of sine waves is there?
i mean.. for a circuit, a crest would be the direction of electrons and the trough would be the opposite one.
but for an electron existing in space? and its 3 dimensional waves too not sine waves

so what are the "hills" or "valleys" in the wave?

[zealous garden]

Parent your kids or don't have them.

[harsh cove]

No warning btw

[ancient lance]

WRONG CHANNEL

[true zinc]

#math-discussion https://discord.gg/physics

[zealous garden]

Your warning is the video is age restricted

[ancient lance]

CAN WE PLEASE HAVE A ROLE FOR THIS CHANNEL

[mossy bramble]

i thought this was the discussion channel?

[harsh cove]

Also they are just using loopholes 💔

[true zinc]

This is a better discussion for @polar panther

[thorn wren]

we do have a role for this channel it just does the opposite of what you want

[harsh cove]

Well this may be true, but they are just ignoring the problem and risks

[glossy marlin]

and the ads. and there´s no intent to get rid of / protect from that

[thorn wren]

I generally hold any #360643390594875392 channel being off topic except for #discussion and #chill which literally can't be off topic is an inevitable fact of life. Most users cannot read

[true zinc]

I've seen some incredibly risque ads on YouTube before, YouTube usually doesn't seem to give a crap as long as they get a boatload of cash

[harsh cove]

I see those ads too, they literally have no warning at all, its everywhere. .

[true zinc]

Use an ad blocker, it helps

[harsh cove]

Youtube with steam customer support would bring YT to light

[ancient lance]

TO suggest a role to give and revoke access to this channel I suppose I go via meta?

[glossy marlin]

youtube has known about the minecraft softcore porn for years, but they get money from ads on it, so it sticks around.
AI companies advertise with questionable to nsfw images, videos or features. they pay google, tumblr, whatever, a bit to show it, and it´s shown.

[harsh cove]

I keep seeing Jenny mod in shorts when I just search up MC tutorials

[modest light]

What

[glossy marlin]

yeah...
-# and KOSA isn´t about that. it´s just about data and, according one of the people involved in its conception, "protecting kids from transgenderism" or whatever

[true zinc]

Tutorials for what? The whole point of Minecraft is to discover how to do something yourself....

[thorn wren]

seems correct. I will remark one to revoke access already exists, per my message

[harsh cove]

NBT editor. .

How to bypass my android 14 Scoped storage security. .

And occasionally some redstone basics, since im on bedrock

[true zinc]

Bypassing security protections on your phone without good reason is a great way to brick the device and not be able to get it fixed officially

[true zinc]

You cannot easily edit NBT on bedrock, the NBT data is stored in a different format in different locations

[harsh cove]

Its for a good reason? I cant even access ZArchiver with it, I cant acces my files at all

[true zinc]

There are no good NBT editors on bedrock, you should preferably access the Java edition of minecraft and use https://github.com/jaquadro/NBTExplorer

[harsh cove]

Thats only for android 11+ if I remember correctly since they have scoped storage

[true zinc]

You should be able to just use the files menu on your phone or tablet. You have full access to the entire root directory as Android is a thinly skinned Linux

[harsh cove]

I dont wanna lose my progress in my bedrock world 😬

[true zinc]

(and see this is why I think we need significantly more tech literacy in schools up to and including learning the ins and outs of Windows, MacOS, and Linux at the level of my university's operating systems course)

[harsh cove]

Ehh. . .

[true zinc]

It is very difficult to convert a Bedrock world file to Java edition

[harsh cove]

I am not tryna do that

I accidentally disabled achievements of my world, it gave off an illusion that it was a duplicated world

[true zinc]

You cannot re-enable achievements sadly, those are locked to the world, and NBT editing won't fix that, as to my understanding, Bedrock world files have protections to prevent people from doing exactly that, as achievements are linked to Xbox

[harsh cove]

I have a laptop though, since I can transfer my files in my phone to my laptop through ny charger

[true zinc]

That won't help

[harsh cove]

They can? NBT editors can fix that

I just need to find my world

I asked MC support snd they are suggesting me to do so 😭

[true zinc]

https://minecraft.wiki/w/Bedrock_Edition_level_format See this is very different to the layout from https://minecraft.wiki/w/Java_Edition_level_format

[true zinc]

I doubt it, mainly because NBT editing is not officially supported on bedrock and can lead to heavy world corruption if you're not careful and start editing the wrong files willy-nilly

[harsh cove]

I dont olay Java, for some reason (I got my laptop months ago and my phone for many years now)

[harsh cove]

Thats why they recommended me to duplicate the world before editong it, they said its possible to re enable, but I forgot what that was, let me check

[true zinc]

Java is quite different to bedrock, for example, attack delay on times, performance is worse without mods, and you're already in the Bedrock ecosystem and you'll be missing a lot of what (in my opinion makes bedrock signficantly worse)

[true zinc]

Was this from official mojang support or a random forums post

Okay so from what I've seen, a common tool for this is "universalminecrafttool", I would not suggest using it, IN THE SLIGHTEST. It has a paid pricing model, and is not an open source tool, which for modding, means it could just have a trojan or other viruses embedded in it and no-one could check or know

[harsh cove]

Ah, its the level.dat file and find the hasBeenLoadedInCreativething and turn it to 0

[harsh cove]

Official

[harsh cove]

The free one lets me enable my achievements bsck since its just basic NBT editing

[true zinc]

Also, on Android, the Google Play Store, is so full of shitty and random software, much of it with poor vetting and lots of ads, so I would not suggest using any external unzipping software, as any modern version of Android should be able to unzip zipped directories. My phone running Android 16 can zip and unzip right from the file manager. If not I'd just install termux and do it manually

[true zinc]

Yes the program could have other hidden functionality that could damage your device that you are unaware of

[harsh cove]

Bedrock will surprass Java one day, since its the main game and Java is I think for testing, but thats just what I think

[true zinc]

Java is not for testing, Java is significantly older (2009) than Bedrock and has a lot more features that Bedrock doesn't have or will ever get. Besides that, Java is ripe for modding and updates that bedrock is not due to its locked-down nature

[harsh cove]

ZArchiver and Shizuku is like the only ok ones

[glossy marlin]

two different games in different languages for different devices, missing a lot of features and has very different bugs

[harsh cove]

🤔 I suppose its not for testing then, but I still think Bedrock would be better in the near future

[true zinc]

Do not make assumptions from incomplete understanding

[harsh cove]

Im still having fun with bedrock, let me play bedrock 🙏

[true zinc]

Not to pull the appeal to authority card on you, but I have been playing Minecraft since I was 8 years old, in 2013

[harsh cove]

Besrock has some challenge I enjoy, the only thing I dont like is assigning jobs for them and enslaving

[true zinc]

Java has this too

[harsh cove]

I best played it when I was 6

[true zinc]

The basis for modern villager traders and even mob farms relies heavily on it

[harsh cove]

I like getting myself mogged by the wither, pretty fun

[harsh cove]

Even with what bedrock has in villagers, I was still able to make one

[harsh cove]

I didnt mean to put the ? In the end lol

[true zinc]

It has the exact same set of villagers.....

[true zinc]

It's easy, like..c'mon, the wither is easy

Okay ignore the wither having gotten on top of me and aim locking on me lol

[harsh cove]

All the terrain is gone 😭

[harsh cove]

Besrock villager are different, since they dont need to walk to a workstation to get a j@b

[harsh cove]

Son thats Java wither 😭

[true zinc]

Superflat world

You can make those on bedrock too...

[harsh cove]

I mean like, when I did it. .

[true zinc]

So fun fact, according to the wiki, wither mechanics are the same on both

[harsh cove]

Im talking abt bedrock wither

[harsh cove]

PhotoSONthesis.

Im gonna hop on Obby Creator and figure out how to do my hosting mechanic

[true zinc]

I just said it's the same on bedrock and on java...

[harsh cove]

Like, what same r we talkin?

SON flower, Bedrock has double the hp, can summon wither skeletons, has a dash ability that would obliterate terrain, and just nuch more aggresive 💔

[glass peak]

Some real heavy discussion happening here

[viscid lake]

Serious discussions🥀

[old oak]

You can't really argue this isn't an improvement over what's been happening recently

[dreamy crag]

wait what is this in reference to?

[old oak]

Not really directed at you, if that's what you're concerned about

[dreamy crag]

i wasnt, just kinda curious on what happened

[cursive ember]

Hi

[inland ingot]

not serious i gues

[polar temple]

thanks for this. ive been watching the anime secrets of the silent witch recently and it's lowki my favourite anime now.

[magic python]

Are people still denying that trump is trying to erase trans people?

[glossy marlin]

probably

[magic python]

Like didn't he directly say to "hunt them down"

[polar temple]

also what was this channel called before, just "discussion"?

discussion 2?

[magic python]

This was previously discussion 2

[polar temple]

oh ok

[magic python]

But it became this so people can talk about serious stuff without making regular discussion bad, as discussion 2 had low traffic

[polar temple]

yeah i guessed so. discussion 2 used to be dead.

[vast wraith]

yayy https://www.lemkininstitute.com/single-post/experts-warn-u-s-in-early-stages-of-genocide-against-trans-americans

[magic python]

At least that's how i believe it was changed

[magic sleet]

The actual discussion 2 is calculus

[vast wraith]

this is from jan

[magic python]

Yayyyyy so my sources didn't lie to me, America is fucked!!!!!

We are terrorists now!

[vast wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/maybe-betty-white-who-knows-shrug-rose-nylund-gif-24669580

[magic sleet]

Today I learned there is a job position called "genocide scholar"

[polar temple]

what happened to math-discussion? does it have more math discussions now lol?

[polar temple]

that used to be discussion 3

[magic python]

Can't believe they found out I wanted to bomb buildings by having breasts, how could trump have predicted my evil plans!

[polar temple]

math-discussion was discussion 2 and discussion-2 was discussion-3

[magic sleet]

I think they are both interchangrable

[polar temple]

lol

[vast wraith]

ok but i must go cook food bye

[magic python]

Enjoy!

[magic python]

Transphobes will never not be funny to me if they keep acting like this

[polar temple]

what happened in America? could U give a brief overview of the context?

[magic python]

Basically laws passed to ruin trans people quality of life, Texas has to fund a detransition clinic ran by someone suing people who gave gender affirming care for "grooming children" and a certain thing that basically calls anti-fascists terrorists.

[polar temple]

oh I see

[magic python]

Trans people falling under this "terrorist" classification iirc

America is trying to groom trans children, shockers.

[polar temple]

meanwhile trump is the actual terrorist,no?

[magic python]

Well at least a fascist

If you are against anti-fascism, odds are, you're the fascist

Trump is a sexual predator and is fine with people grooming minors into suicide, so either way...

[thorny trench]

guys you there?

[polar temple]

are people allowed to take transition meds as children

I assumed that was an adult thing

[idle steppe]

@thorny trench
Yeah a dictatorship that would exile tens of thousands in just my small country to siberia and leave them to die

[magic python]

In the US? I believe HRT is not allowed.

[little shell]

Yeap

[magic python]

And if it is, heavily gatekept

[thorny trench]

That was stalin, I dont mean that its practical or feasible in India

[magic python]

Even for adults its hard

[idle steppe]

Russia was always economically behind the western countries

[thorny trench]

but major changes are needed

[thorny trench]

You wanna know the reasons?

[idle steppe]

Oh ur indian?

Enlighten me

[little shell]

Sure bro

[polar temple]

lookism pfp

[little shell]

6 secs of cooldown is too much and yeap

[magic python]

Oh the funding for the Texas detransition clinic is taking funding away from actual good reasons.

Minors aren't allowed to medically transition in Texas to my knowledge.

[polar temple]

did James use half UI in the latest chapter. i would drop that shit if it happened.

I already dropped the series tho

[magic python]

And we all know parents will force their children to go because minors get no say in their treatments often times in many places

[polar temple]

what a bs powerup

[little shell]

606 is out? I havent read yet. Imma have to go read

[thorny trench]

1. Western countries industrailized in the 1800's, the russian economy was agrarian till the 1920's. it had a 120 year gap.
2. The tsar gave everything to his family and close allies, ie nepotism.
3. The first world war and russian civil war killed 10 million or so people.
4. The second world war killed 20 million Soviets.
   even after all this, they became a global superpower and industrial titan through communism.

[polar temple]

damn I didn't know I spoiled it. it comes out every Thursday/Friday depending on time zone (4pm UTC time on Thursday)

[thorny trench]

Everything was destroyed, they were reduced to rubble and ash. They built a superpower out of that.

[little shell]

I sea i sea where do u read? Void or webtoon? Webtoon is too far behond iirc

[thorny trench]

speaking of india.

major changes are needed.

[polar temple]

Void Scans. I do read the series occasionally but I read it on another source (Atsumaru) who rips it from void because I use Mihon app to read and I don't want too many extensions (I don't care enough about the series to read early so I just wait longer for Atsumaru to rip it from void).

[little shell]

Oh i use mihon too bro leggo but i have vpid installed

[polar temple]

Webtoon is really bad for manhwa.

[idle steppe]

It may have been a superpower but life would be much worse for you under communism

[little shell]

Ik but webtoon translation is nice af. I havent found a single bad one

[little shell]

Like what?

[polar temple]

Those companies will target manhwa piracy sites but why wouldn't I pirate when Webtoon is months behind on chapters. For a long time, it used to be 50 chapters (a whole year) behind on chapters for Eleceed translations.

[idle steppe]

Unless u wanna work in manual labour ur entire Life and not progress

[polar temple]

I used to use Webtoon but then I decided I don't want to wait so long for new chapters

[little shell]

Bro russia is too damn big do u even know how many talented scientists theyve had over the years?

[polar temple]

who is gonna wait a whole year to be updated on the story to then be another entire year behind

[thorny trench]

1. The government must setup subsidiary companies with private management and one government supervisor, china style to create heavy manufacturing and industrial jobs.
   Industrailization must be carries on a large scale.
2. The government should further privatize public services, while placing mandatory caps of prices.
3. Accountability must be forced, every public project must be associated with a government employee or minister. They will recieve the blame for anything that goes wrong.

Communism is prefered.

Without collectivism

[polar temple]

Webtoon translations are bad a lot of the time but I prefer them because they tend to have less mistakes than unofficial scans like void.

void translations are soooo bad

[little shell]

Yea but there exist series who are caught up completely of which i can only remember one: genius spirited streamer or sum shit

[little shell]

Asura the best fr. Well it has some mistakes now too but it used to be the goat alongside reaper. So sad reaper shut down

[polar temple]

in void scans, one panel they will say Zack Lee (official english name) and then two panels later IN THE SAME CHAPTER it will say Lee Jinsung

be FKIN consistent

[thorny trench]

Strict laws must be placed on the election of MPs and MLAs. Criminal cases, records, or crimes, etc must barr them from elections.

Single party state is recommended. The party must have internal democracy.

[little shell]

Im pretty sure tls use ai but i cant prove it
Half of the time im like who tf is this

[thorny trench]

yo arch what dyu think?

idts anything will come out of my ideas

[polar temple]

😂😂 I've genuinely seen Google Translate translations for a manhwa and I couldn't tell because they were that good (Free Draw). Obviously they fixed the mistakes with their own brain before publishing tho but genuinely better than void scans. Ik they used Google translate BC they said it.

[thorny trench]

I hope to join politics eventually in life. maybe I myself could do smthg.

[little shell]

Hmm i think most of what ur saying is correct but i dont want to live in a communist country . Ofc this is my personal opinion

[little shell]

U have money?

[thorny trench]

yeah that wont work, but what dyu think abt the 'changes' I talked abt

[thorny trench]

No, but Modi didnt either and now he's PM

maybe I'll sell paan instead of tea tho

or coffee

coffeewala

[little shell]

Yea i think they were pretty good but u cant just blame a certain minister if smth goes wrong with his project what if his subordiante screws him over? Human behaviour has to be included tho.
And selling paan is prolly a good idea

[polar temple]

what's got you to still read lookism btw? i stopped reading it seriously after hunt for gun. I tried to drop the series a few times but it's hard to completely stop reading a series when you've invested so much time and 520 chapters into it (now 600+).

[little shell]

[little shell]

I just lit started reading when the story was at 604 and finished it in 6 days

[thorny trench]

no not screwed over, accountable. like a public apology, or resignation, etc. instead of pushing down blame, take it up, thats leadership

my country is going to shit and I cant be okay with it

[polar temple]

I regret investing so much time in the series. Wtf is black bones and that entire HFG arc. Fym Gun went on a whole gauntlet against the second generation then went on to defeat two top tiers in a 1 HP state, and got possessed by a demon.

[little shell]

Yea i get it but what if its not their fault their subordinate had a grudge against him and the blame all fell on the minister?

[thorny trench]

idc which party, congress sent it to hell and BJP is keeping it there

[polar temple]

the arc should've ended at johan instead of the bs that comes afterward

[thorny trench]

idc abt the mininsters, I care abt the people

[little shell]

Demon who?

[polar temple]

606 chapters and I still don't know why daniel has two bodies

[little shell]

I sea bro i sea.

[polar temple]

gun got possessed by the Yamazaki demon

shit is so ass

[little shell]

Ptj is goated like that

[little shell]

Thats just UI bro not demon shit

[polar temple]

Gun has UI bro with his normal black eyes. The green eyes is Yamazaki ui

It literally talks about demons in the dialogue and even in Questism with Gukja Yang who is a Yamazaki

[little shell]

Btw if u really want to get into politics advocating for communism right off the bat is prolly not a good idea. Do it slowly after building ur own modi club

[thorny trench]

yeah theres no other option

[polar temple]

Wtf. I've been reading since HFBD was ongoing

[thorny trench]

I'll have to start with the BJP

[little shell]

Nah wtf thats just unconscious ui bro i didnt read no demon. And kuja aint possessed bro he also just has ui. These guys' ui is almost the same as daniel's just daniel uses unfamiliar martial arts they use their owb

[little shell]

Stop using abbreviations idk what ur talking about

[little shell]

Ofc ofc i hate bjp tho

[polar temple]

Read Questism btw. It's pretty good. I liked it more than Lookism. It does start to get repetitive and boring near the end imo (maybe you'll think different? idk) but it's worth the read.

It also makes lookism cameos occasionally and explores the world further.

It's set in Gangbuk after Johan stepped down from the 4MC. Now there are 4 territories owned by 4 different schools who each want to unite Gangbuk.

[thorny trench]

I hate the BJP, the Congress, the AAP, the CPIM, the TMC, everyone there. No one talks abt what matters. the people are poor. the people shouldnt be poor.

instead of tryna do welfare politics, do economy politics

BUILD THE NATION

[polar temple]

It does start off slow tho ig until like ch30

[polar temple]

Gukja Yang didn't use Yamazaki UI (he probably doesn't even have the ability) but Questism talks about the demon flowing within Yamazaki blood.

And unconscious UI........

Unconscious UI is just black eyes. Green eyes is a different form exclusive to the Yamazaki clan.

[little shell]

I finished questism by the time 605 released

[polar temple]

Lookism also featured ghosts earlier in the series if you remember in daniels school

around chapter 90?

[little shell]

Yo that was a filler iirc. The zack scene right?

[polar temple]

wtf do U mean filler. this isn't anime.

all the chapters are canon bru

[polar temple]

get a job

[little shell]

Why should the people not be poor?
I think people should be given opportunities to rise above and not money handed to them in a silver platter

[little shell]

Im still in vacay from school

[polar temple]

Hunt for big deal. I've read Lookism since it had 400 chapters. So by the time Hunt For Gun happened, I've been reading weekly for 2 years. It's hard to just drop a series you've invested so much time into.

I've read some arcs multiple times

I used to be so into it

[little shell]

Yea i can understand u. Im gonna feel sum sadness in about 20ish weeks when nano machine ends

[polar temple]

remember tom lee digging his hand into james lee

[little shell]

Yea that was 605
10 sec cooldown on sending messages sucks

[polar temple]

I was calling it that it's the standard lookism formula where the first chapter has the loser fight well and then the second chapter has the other opponent have a power up and win

this shit is so generic i can believe i was right

blood loss my ass

[little shell]

Wait dont spoil me bro
I still havent read 606

[polar temple]

blood loss doesn't exist in lookism. characters have gotten away with worse injuries fine.

[polar temple]

isn't it obvious James will win 😭

I don't know if he won yet but he will

i haven't read the chapter yet. Just seen snippets from my friend.

[little shell]

I bet on the underdog tom in another server

[polar temple]

remember black workers

[little shell]

Fr bloodloss aint real

[polar temple]

same thing happened to them. they had the upper hand first chapter they appeared now I don't even remember wtf happened to them

where are they gone? all eliminated?

[little shell]

Whotf are black workers? The team vice chair trained?

[polar temple]

see my point.

they were the lookism version of the seraphims until they got absolutely busted

[polar temple]

and Ur right

[little shell]

Yo lets move to normal dicuss i think its bannable if we talk nonsensical lookism shit in here

[little shell]

Tf is seraphim?

[polar temple]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-egghead-egghead-arc-luffy-and-zoro-vs-seraphim-kaku-gif-10704438206736647388

[polar temple]

one piece

[little shell]

I sea i sea i still havent watched after ep105 iirc

[polar temple]

Idk man. I'm serious about being a Lookism hater. 😭

[little shell]

idk man the fights are pretty cool

[polar temple]

Oh. I'm on Punk Hazard (well, ages ago. I've been rereading and on Enies Lobby now.) but I know who the seraphims are

[little shell]

The story is pretty good too

[polar temple]

Enies Lobby is around ep300. Punk Hazard is around ep600 but I'm reading the manga because it has better pacing

[little shell]

I think ptj was the first to use the double body concept

[polar temple]

They're nonsensical you mean

remember when having 3 masteries made you a prodigy who was top of your generation? now mfs have 4 masteries like it's normal.

power creep sucks ass

[little shell]

Art? Moves? The animation u see after scrolling fast?

[little shell]

Pre generation dihhs

[polar temple]

ptj is going to overuse the paths now and invent something new probably

remember this when it happens and you can praise me for foreseeing this

[little shell]

Ik bro theres no fucking way that path is the end

Wait i forget easily have we been shown what gun path is?

[polar temple]

ptj is going to invent a generation -1 and they'll say "everyone in my generation had a path. having a path doesn't mean you're talented." bs

😭😭😭 that would be funny to see

[little shell]

Nah i dont think thats going to happen

[polar temple]

no we haven't

he probably has a path since he's a top tier but we don't know what it is

[little shell]

He most certainly has a path bro gun and goo cant not have a path

Gun and goo are love

[polar temple]

The story is horrible rn. It's gotten a bit better but HFG -> Busan was the worst era.

I feel like the story fell off since Jiho died because PTJ wanted to keep him in the story but received death threats from his Korean fans to kill Jiho. Busan arc honestly feels like remnants of what Jiho's story could've been.

Incheon and Hunt For Workers aren't so bad ig

[little shell]

Tbh i found busan to be pretty boring.
Hunt for workers was pretty fucking good but they killed mirror king😭 😭

Right after he gained path and sanity too bro wtf atleast let him run and have some time with his nepher

[polar temple]

Ok the last part here is just wrong.

Gun Park and Gukja Yang are able to use standard UI (just like Daniel) but Gun Park and Shingen Yamazaki also have another mode called Yamazaki UI.

Gun is able to control his UI (as we see constantly). Daniel is also beginning to learn how to control his UI as seen in the recent chapters.

Standard UI is indicated by black eyes, white pupils.
Yamazaki UI is indicated by green eyes.