serious-discussion

[mellow pond]

imo literally fucking everyone but the ppl actually capable of stopping all of this is tired of it

[long orchid]

how do you all deal with seemingly functioning on the outside to everyone (even the psychiatrists that see you) but are living in hell on the inside

[true zinc]

Literally by...just doing that, it's my imperative to seem normal to everyone around me, my problems aren't their problems

[mellow pond]

felt that

i often mask lots of my behaviors, whether for better or for worse

[true zinc]

Unmasking is unacceptable to me -Ryan

[long orchid]

but like I'm not masking! I'm just being me, like i can take care of myself and socialize and be productive etc... but I ain't happy

[mellow pond]

i'll have to disagree on it being unacceptable, but i will say that i definitely am very selective with who i unmask around

[proper python]

@safe chasm how dare you kick me out that server I was trying to revise and you kicked me? I also wanted to make friends pal

@safe chasm why did you ban me

[dreamy crag]

not the place

[proper python]

It is indeed the place

[versed frost]

It's serious business?

[dreamy crag]

no it is not, this is for serious discussions, not for petty drama

the amount of people who treat serious mental illnesses as cute character quircks is fucking disgusting

like my 4th time today ive seen someone romanticise depression

[glossy marlin]

-# people treat depression as cute until they meet someone who struggles with eating and hygiene
-# actually no once that person goes away they treat it as fun little quirk again

[dreamy crag]

this omg this

[zealous garden]

Damn

[dreamy crag]

Againnnnn

[rapid valve]

Ohhh so these are signe of depression?

Taking notes

[fervent owl]

Dealing people with depression is truly difficult really.

I have dealt with my sister's, I always helped her and give advice.

Eventually at some point I did told her how hard it is to live with her.

She admitted that it hurts to hear that statement, but in some way or another made her realize how much is affects others

She is better now, I won't say that action alone helped her entirely but at some point, you gotta tell them

I am so happy she is better now and healed after years, we could not afford therapy at the time and she was just so sad

[mellow pond]

meeee 💔 (the one with the depression)

or just struggling with fucking waking up in the morning

no, [insert influencer], bedrotting isn't some quirky thing that everyone does

[mellow pond]

yyyep
i can assure you nobody with depression would randomly fucking cook on the spot like that lol

[glossy marlin]

-# gotta tell them? they probably know that. they need support in a bunch of ways. sad? depression goes far beyond "sad" or "lazy" in most cases.
glad she´s doing better now

[thorn wren]

What

Okay actually maybe if your only mental illness is depression I buy it.

But at least a few close people I know with depression will occasionally do shit like that because they feel guilty for not doing stuff so they force themself to do something

[full hornet]

@mellow pond i know this is off topic but... are you therian...

[mellow pond]

okay yeah that makes sense
i do that shit too

but i more-so meant like
nobody with depression is gonna be fucking aura farming like that artwork lol

[mellow pond]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[full hornet]

[mellow pond]

i wonder what could possibly indicate thattttttttt

[full hornet]

(based)

[mellow pond]

[full hornet]

yeah idk what i could possibly recognize

[misty pumice]

Those who use guns for attack and not self defense are weak. And that weakness is an offense to the natural order of the universe.

[full hornet]

it's not like i know any of the symbols associated with that or anything

[glossy marlin]

yeah, it takes a while for me to get out of bed. thought takes a while to work. I used to be physically unable to move a lot of the time. I can´t really sleep even with a relatively high dose of melatonin. idk where I get my energy from. I don´t have as much as others.
that´s just the start of the issues with it and it´s basically a leaf node in my forest of problems.

[mellow pond]

real

[mellow pond]

hmmmmm

[versed frost]

I am one of them

[misty pumice]

People tell me I have depression. I play video games but nothing feels fun. Its just passing the time. Then I'm detached from relationships because of my frustration with society and arrogance.

[fervent owl]

Okay maybe telling them isn't really that useful, they already know that..

[glossy marlin]

I don´t really function and I´m still doing pretty well compared to a lot of other depressed people

[magic python]

It's actually the fucking worst. Even without one of these actual things, even just anything that can cause a lack of motivation, can actually ruin your health so much. I swear the romantacization of this is either "okay but they'd do stuff for me because they'd love me" or just straight up infantalizing them and wanting someone reliant on you. Neither of which will immediately happen. The second one is the only one I've ever heard happen, becoming dependent on someone due to it, but it really isn't a fun position to be in from what I've heard, having someone be entirely dependent on you.

Like actually it has to be fetishization at some point

Mental disorders are not quirky, shockers.

[true zinc]

I hate how much this was basically me back during covid, I just didn't realize I was as depressed as I realize I am today, I always just thought "meh it takes energy to shower, I'll do it tomorrow"....then I blink and a week would've gone by

[dreamy crag]

not my mom just being blatently racist in front of me and i have to fake laugh along otherwise shell call me the r slur

[tall finch]

E(s)=n=1∑∞​nsμ(n)Λ(n)​+∫0∞​eπx2−1Θ(x)−x1/2​xs−1dx

[dreamy crag]

Not the place

[mellow pond]

eugh she sounds like a fucking loser

[dreamy crag]

She just straight up uses the n word and is violently Zionist. Genuinely a piece of human filth. I would not shed a single tear if her mouth got broken off in a car crash

[mellow pond]

EW

[dreamy crag]

Ands abusive

[mellow pond]

god i fucking hate assholes like that

[dreamy crag]

Somehow the best out of all the parents I’ve had

[tall finch]

Oh come on😔

[magic python]

There's a fancy role for people like you if you keep pushing it

:3

[tall finch]

?

[dreamy crag]

:3

[magic python]

A fancy role given to those who don't use this channel properly.

[tall finch]

Wha is it

[magic python]

It bars you from here

[verbal quest]

what role is that

[true zinc]

the u role

[magic python]

I think the character is upsilon?

[verbal quest]

u for unserious

[magic python]

So true

[dreamy crag]

Something something upsilon died backwards

[pliant haven]

hello, i'm approaching in my final year what projects can i take to get the attention of schools when applying for my masters?

[long orchid]

i think you underestimate how difficult it is to speak up against an abusive parent tbh

like back when my parents were abusive every bit of criticism would devolve into marathon arguments

so i totally get someone being extremely scared to speak up lol

[upbeat basin]

Sometimes being a friend means holding a mirror infront of them.

[ashen marsh]

(ty)

[untold sapphire]

I've deleted my previous message.

[ashen marsh]

a mirror does not help you change your body, it usually just gives you dysmorphia

well, i mean, it can but thats besides my metaphor

im sleepy

[upbeat basin]

what helps you changing what you dont like is getting a good picture of reality. Sometimes that requires feedback from outside.

[ashen marsh]

(you should not tell children in abusive situations that it is their responsibility to fight an abuser.)

[untold sapphire]

I value that framing. But I think it has weaknesses. The moral weight of it relies on a dichotomy that splits people into abusers and non-abusers, instead of describing a behavior or a tactic of control as abusive, it implies a inherent and permanent characteristic of a human being which is either present or absent.

One other framing you could have is that sometimes when you challenge people on a belief that they hold, they might say "Thats r-" or "Don't be r-" or other such vulgarities. That is indeed abusive. it's also very common for people to respond with insults or anger when their behavior is criticized and that's something you take a gamble on when you confront or criticize anyone.

[sharp yarrow]

No

[upbeat basin]

✅

[spiral crystal]

Hi, I was wondering how I could improve my math skills and get ahead of my class so I don't end up at the bottom? Also, I have trouble knowing which direction to take when I start exercises ? I often get stuck, or perhaps unsure what to use.
And also another separate question: when we have answered a question, when do we know that the writing is sufficient?

[shadow palm]

You know despite everything i enjoy waking up everyday knowing I do pure mathematics

[gritty heath]

Pay attention tot he tricks and techniques used in class
At the beginning when you start a problem you wouldnt know how to start so try everything, over time you'll get the feeling about how to approach and tackle different obstacles

You write at the level of your peers
If the level of detail is enough for your peers to understand the work it is typically good enough

[spiral crystal]

Yes I will focus on that

Thank you so much

[sterile fable]

hi

is there anyone whos into quant, fintech or ml dev here?

[spiral crystal]

What is the most effective way to improve?

[gritty heath]

Just do a lot of problems and discuss a lot of problems with people

And read the texts carefully

[gritty heath]

This should be first really come to think of it

[spiral crystal]

Okay thanks for your ansers !

[sudden bone]

what do you think of execution by asphyxiation from nitrogen or inert gas

[opaque cobalt]

idt suffocation is painless nor good 🚫

[dreamy crag]

It’s one of the most terrifying ways to go imo

[true zinc]

I am not feeling all too well at the moment

[magic python]

I mean with inert gasses, it's not the worst way to suffocate, there are ways to get around the reflex that causes panic.

[true zinc]

I'd be happy to go in any way as soon as possible

[magic python]

The right to die movement seems to have promoted death by helium inhalation at some point, though I'd argue that's uh... not really the best inert gas to use, with how light it is...

There's this thing called a suicide bag or exit bag used for this form of euthanasia on gases lighter than air, which I believe helps lower the carbon dioxide in the blood, either that or it keeps the other gases in? I can't remember right now.

I've heard something about nitrogen not being able to be found in an autopsy...

Honestly, I don't think it'd be the worst execution method, from what I remember it's not really all too bad so long as you keep blood carbon dioxide low

Gets the job done and is used for euthanasia already, so it probably doesn't hurt a lot. Then again, I don't know how moral some euthanasia methods are, so it may actually not be peaceful...

[terse comet]

Hey y'all, if you are suffering from suicidal ideation, please reach out for help; here are some hotlines: https://blog.opencounseling.com/suicide-hotlines/

[glass peak]

I’m sorry to hear that you’re struggling, but please seek help from a local support network, this isn’t appropriate for here.

[true zinc]

Thank you, I shall do so (in regards to discussing this with a local group)

[glass peak]

This is also not a particularly appropriate line of discussion. While general discussion of the ethics of the death sentence is acceptable, and consideration of how is certainly part of that calculus, I don’t think we particularly want to encourage or endorse discussion of various execution methods and their benefits

I am replying to you, but I think it equally applies to you @magic python

[magic python]

Oops sorry, I didn't know discussion of execution methods was disallowed in this channel, will note for next time

[upbeat basin]

If we give people the right to access to proper means for suicide euthanasia, should that also apply to prisoners?

[zealous garden]

How about we not do the first one even

[magic python]

The right to die movement is about euthanasia... not random suicide...

[zealous garden]

I like that plan much better

[zealous garden]

Same face

I think DNR is enough

[magic python]

Idk I'm for it because my great grandma chose not to battle cancer yet again because it only brought pain, but everyone has different beliefs

[zealous garden]

I'm sorry for your loss

[magic python]

I mean I didn't know her all too much, but I still was hit hard. I respect her decision though, she knew she couldn't take the pain anymore, and that it'd also affect those around her

[zealous garden]

I won't get into it, but I take it almost axiomatically that choosing to end your life under duress of only yourself is wrong without exception. Maybe that's just a coping mechanism, but I roll with it for now.

[magic python]

Fair, it's not really a problematic belief either, my views on it have most certainly been shaped by people around me, both medically and well, non medically.

[chilly flare]

guys i started learning differential calculus and other nice topics in 8th grade but my parents want me to focus on other subjects like social science and english and other languages too but i don't have an interest in them.. i only like maths and physics.. what should i do?

[cedar shore]

do both

[chilly flare]

i honestly think social science is a waste of time... like what is the use of knowing who ate bread in 1869?

[cedar shore]

that is not what social science is about

i could explain it to you but like many others at your age (my past-self included), we won't understand it till we experience learning it properly

[zealous garden]

Social science is about not getting tricked into thinking that genocidally terrible ideas are "kind of a good point actually"

[dusky raft]

may i ask what social science is?

[zealous garden]

It's about learning what can go wrong in society, and how, so you don't think "that could never be me" and inadvertently cause it

[dusky raft]

huh

[zealous garden]

It's also just about how society works

How government is structured, and why

[cedar shore]

u might be familiar with history, economics, psychology, and geography. these are parts of the social sciences

[dusky raft]

yep

10 second cool down?

atrocious

[fossil grotto]

wrong. misconception. im a science student but social science isnt a timewaste.. its just different from science and math..

[zealous garden]

Btw, based fellow Low End Theory enjoyer

[cedar shore]

if natural sciences study the natural world then u can imagine social sciences being the study of societal structures and all things human

[cedar shore]

tyty!

[rapid valve]

Saying social science is a time waste=being a chud in my book

[cedar shore]

we shan't be so rude. at that age im sure many dont understand the significance of social sciences

[dusky raft]

all this time i thought social science was the study of human actions and physcology

[dusky raft]

i certainly do not thats for sure

[zealous garden]

All this time I thought love was supposed to be real

[cedar shore]

what is love

[dusky raft]

? pardon me

[fossil grotto]

social science is not really a subject.. its really wide.. in lower grades its portrayed as one subject but it consists of alot of things.. political opinions, psychology, philosophy

[dusky raft]

i just said pardon me why did say that

[zealous garden]

I don't believe in love
-# I need to forget her face I see it still

[fossil grotto]

its alot.. they just dont teach u that in lower grades which is why u find it boring..

[chilly flare]

we have history, economics, geography and political science

[cedar shore]

it might be time for elliott smith and jeff buckley then

[chilly flare]

hmm

[zealous garden]

In lower grades I feel like it was mostly history fr

[dusky raft]

actually human physcology seems fairly intersting to me especially the types of actions humans can make

[zealous garden]

With a little bit of like, political science

[dusky raft]

im mostly intersted in space and all they never go in depth on space in school

[fossil grotto]

which country?

[chilly flare]

bro

[chilly flare]

india

[dusky raft]

ok...?

[fossil grotto]

SIR DMS

[chilly flare]

why

[chilly flare]

yeah fr

[dusky raft]

in primary work was easier than it was suppose to be...

[chilly flare]

i wish we had psychology as a subject, but unfortunately we don't

[fossil grotto]

check dms for once

[dusky raft]

exactly

[chilly flare]

ok

[dusky raft]

pre lockdown i wasnt the smartest but after lockdown and my mom helping me i improved i guess

[rapid valve]

Now you're the smartest

[dusky raft]

no

well i was for a while

im still fairly smart (in the second highest set in my school!)

but i underestimated my mothers teaching skills lol

i wish they taught in depth space in school like therories the way the big bang happened black holes planet structures and all of it

if humanities thirst for knowledge is unquenchable mine is unqenchabableier

plus its why i like history so much doing worksheets is boring when your too busy being fascinated

[true zinc]

Yeah that would require an entire degree in astrophysics and even then people still don't know how some of the stuff happens

But you can start by learning some general relativity, fluid dynamics, classical and quantum mechanics and field theory, etc...

[dusky raft]

nevermind im too young save me

[sudden bone]

Ok sorry

[dusky raft]

hmm im mixed on ethics on the death sentence as if it happened to someone who murder anyone i know i would be fine with it OR even encourage it but if it happened where the murder killed a single person who i dont know i would be mixed (only 1 if any over i would chnage my mind) guess this shows how strong bonds can be

you might call it inconsidarate and i agree (though in the past few months ive begun to change my mind

[bright hill]

What

[magic python]

That came out so wrong.... uh....

[bright hill]

Like, we expect y'all to exercise common sense

It's not like we're gonna release a file of allowed and disallowed discussion lmao

[magic python]

I assumed in this channel so long as we don't make light of it was allowed, like other topics...

God forbid a girl extrapolate data, smh my head

[odd narwhal]

Explicit discussion of nsfw topics is disallowed server-wide. In the same vein, explicit discussion of sexual activity or porn would be disallowed here, while something like a discussion about the ethics of porn would be permitted (as long as it doesn't devolve into the former)

[lost spruce]

Oh this is serious discussion, I was really confused for a hot second

[magic python]

Oh I forgot to think that discussion of execution methods counted as nsfw...

[odd narwhal]

It's all good, just keep this in mind going forward

[magic python]

Fair

[next schooner]

This is a curious position, though perhaps muddied by "under duress of only yourself" being somewhat unclear while also being the kinda operative phrase

I do not think it all that unusual for people to view taking one's own life as an absolute moral wrong under all circumstances (even if I wholly disagree), but trying to caveat this with some conditions on whether of not the individual is under the duress of themselves alone seems challenging

[long orchid]

is this how philosophers talk

[next schooner]

idk im not a philosopher

[long orchid]

i feel like you could achieve the same effect by "not sure what you mean by under duress of only yourself, but i don't think viewing suicide as always wrong is that unusual"

sorry i'm being mean

[glossy marlin]

philosophers talk in all kinds of ways. casual, formal, drifting between them, any kind of vocabulary, vocabulary that depends on emotions...

[next schooner]

That has a quite different meaning to what I wrote

[long orchid]

really? maybe i'm not seeing it then

[next schooner]

Admittedly I didn't need to include anything related to my particular view on ethics. Thought I'd use that later in the message but didn't.

[next schooner]

I'm not just saying that "under duress of only yourself" is slightly unclear framing, I am also saying that I think trying to establish a moral boundary along these lines is flawed

Well, no. Not necessarily flawed, but it appears to me that drawing that line would be, well, challenging.

[long orchid]

"not sure what you mean by under duress of only yourself, but if i read you right then i think it's difficult to draw a hard line based on that // moreover i don't think it's that unusual to view suicide as always immoral tbh"

to be clear don't take this me as tone policing you, you can say what you want and i have no stake in this discussion

i just find it interesting that people talk like this since it's not the first time i've seen someone text as if they were writing prose, and i find that curious

or maybe i just lack the ability to have a refined tongue... probably that actually lol

[glossy marlin]

why does / doesn´t someone get healthcare? did they get encouraged to do it? where did they get their information from? how was it phrased? how is it biased? where do those biases come from?
basing access to healthcare on the opinions of a practicioner who may know little to nothing about the issue at hand sucks, and defining what counts as a patient´s own, informed consent is difficult.

[next schooner]

When I am discussing 'serious' topics I use a much more prosaic and formal register than when I'm shitposting in discussy, yeah

[glossy marlin]

-# same

[zealous garden]

I mean sacrificing yourself for some cause is different in my eyes: not cart blanche justified, but more nuanced.

[long orchid]

ah yeah fair enough!

[dusk dock]

too real

[zealous garden]

like if you had to do it for some contrived reason to save your family, it's a different shituation

[next schooner]

Though my issue is generally that I'm a little verbose when writing formally (though this is in part because I find it very challenging to write formally and succinctly in a way that doesn't make me sound like a complete asshole)

[glossy marlin]

-# e.g. to make a billionaire even richer
-# or to follow beauty standards

[next schooner]

why do you do that small text. its difficult to read

[dusk dock]

whenever i have serious (or at least relatively serious) conversations with my friends in person, im constantly teetering between prose and well

not prose

[glossy marlin]

I kinda do it randomly. sometimes to make a little comment, sometimes an asterisk, etc.

[zealous garden]

you mean like modern (brainrot) movie and video game writing where they can't stop the quips for 2 seconds to have a serious scene (as in they have the serious dialogue and then just immediately shit on it with jokes)

[oblique willow]

why don't you have the owner role?

or admin role

[dusk dock]

not to that degree, but after a bunch of talking and hearing each other out, there'll be a moment of silence or two and there's always at least one intrusive thought of blurting out something like 'welp that's the way the cookie crumbles'

so i mean yeah we do quip but only after we acc talk

[long orchid]

i feel like i speak pretty naturally in formal text

i would forward a political opinion of mine to prove my point but i might get flamed

[oblique willow]

Any advice on how one can change their life?

[long orchid]

what do you want to work towards?

what change is it that you would like to implement?

[oblique willow]

I'm thinking of a response lol

[long orchid]

yeah, i get that you're dissatisfied but ime you go nowhere without a concrete plan, and for that you need a defined endgame

[oblique willow]

even if I have a defined endgame I think the progress would be slow and uncomfortable..
But I'd have a sense of meaning yes

[glossy marlin]

some people go pretty far with no plan. doesn´t always work of course

[oblique willow]

you believe vice versa of it is a thing too?

[long orchid]

that's always how it goes, sadly, changing is a difficult process

but it's worth it!!!! self improvement is a worthy goal :))

[fickle osprey]

but I feel that somewhere along the way of you'd be able to find what you're looking for even if you can't name it now

[long orchid]

is your problem that life feels meaningless and you feel like you're drifting aimlessly?

[oblique willow]

do you take people's opinions on you seriously? Just curious.

[next schooner]

Don't need one

[long orchid]

depends on who

close friend? yes
random on the internet? no

[oblique willow]

well I don't have a good definition of friend so I wouldn't know 😭

[long orchid]

i have a fairly strict definition -- person you trust and confide in and would go out of your way to support

not just someone you hang out with -- i'd call that a mate or a buddy but not a proper Friend

[long orchid]

is your problem that, in your opinion, you take other people's opinions too seriously and crash out too often, when you would wish that you would just chill out?

[glossy marlin]

some people have no clue where to go next so they stay still. some people have no clue where to go next so they just wander about. some people know exactly where to go and go straight there. some people know exactly where to go but take the scenic route.

[long orchid]

i'm not trying to read your mind, just trying to get a sense for what the problem is so i can give advice

[fickle osprey]

perhaps an acquaintance?

[long orchid]

not a therapist ofc tho take it with a grain of salt

[long orchid]

it's a nice 2x2 grid

of has meaning/is direct about it

[oblique willow]

what causes them to take a scenic route as compared to otherwise?
Is it more about like the properties of their goals?

[oblique willow]

It's just sometimes I get scared that I don't have enough time to learn about all the things I'd want to 🙂

And the modern world is too busy it's also hard to not have your own place when you're 21,

I can be a sellout and do mediocre work.. but I believe that's a waste of time.. and I could do better.

[fickle osprey]

I would assume that plans changed or something major happened in life

[long orchid]

that's normal, and very fair, but what's your goal here? do you want to argmax learning, or happiness?

[oblique willow]

I mean predictions are usually hard to make...
And wym by "happiness" isn't that just a temporal state?

[long orchid]

i'm trying to ask you why it's so important to you that you learn a l l t h e t h i n g s

imo it's a better goal to seek satisfaction in the process of learning, not in the product of having learned

so re your question about the scenic route, people take it because they value the joys of learning and building and exploring, and that matters more to them rather than getting to the end

no rights or wrongs here, probably the best approach is knowing when to take the scenic route and when to just take the optimal path

[glossy marlin]

people change, the world changes, things get in the way, opportunities open up... writing out your entire life like a movie script or fault tree is hard and not always effective. some people would prefer to have that, some just set small short-term goals, others kinda wing it.
some people gotta plan a date four months ahead, some will just agree to watch a movie day-of.
it´s also kinda in the way the world works (jobs, appointments, etc.) and how someone was raised.

[stark trench]

i wondered why you weren't green earlier

[long orchid]

and now back to your question about how to argmax learning -- if you really are sure that's the right path for you, then i would try and identify what slows you down first and work on that, broadly construed

"what slows you down" can be anything from "fuck i get overwhelmed when i can't solve a problem" to "wow i just lack practice at computation it seems"

and work on those

[oblique willow]

Oh it's just one thing.. for that I think I'd need to learn a bunch of things.. and yes I do enjoy learning new concepts, otherwise I wouldn't be doing it.

I don't hate the process of learning.. but when I'm like reading a research paper there's so many new concepts I'm being exposed to and then research about those concepts.. (comparison of what I already knew) I know for a fact this is all important knowledge...

But the thing is When I see people my age like going on dates/movies etc having a different life than me (I sometimes tend to think if I'm missing something)

[long orchid]

ohhh so you want to balance?

[oblique willow]

Idk..

[stark trench]

I think I'm locked into a middle register wherein I'm always "formal" and "prosaic," even when I'm joking or trying to be informal.

[long orchid]

i actually felt the same a while back -- are you afraid that by focusing so much on exploring knowledge, you're sacrificing exploring experiences

now, firstly, nothing wrong with being a brainmaxxer, in fact i too would love to nerdmog my friends

[oblique willow]

what slows you down

Usually when I'm in the state of flow nothing can! It's the best joy there is!!

But it takes a lot of time to get into that flow.. as I'm just thinking about the history I carry.. which is bad I guess.

[long orchid]

but it is a reasonable concern, and honestly for me i realized that a lot of my inhibitions to socializing were artificial

[oblique willow]

Yeah but what's the likelihood of ever meeting someone like you 😂 unless I haven't accomplished anything of good significance.

[long orchid]

not imaginary -- they are real inhibitions that uh... inhibited me, but in that i constructed them myself due to events from whatever reason

[oblique willow]

may be it's just a lie I tell myself

[long orchid]

a) i don't appreciate self deprecation sorry <3
b) you will, when you get to uni/if you're in uni you'll find so many nerds i swear

like you can sort of just do things, though i know that's not very helpful

[oblique willow]

I'm in some stupid community college

[long orchid]

transfer

[oblique willow]

It's very rare also not that I seek anything at the moment

I'm just curious if I'm missing out on anything as I won't always be young

[long orchid]

that's valid

[oblique willow]

a) that's nice of you.. but I guess I just have goals!

[long orchid]

but the simplest answer is, to just do things, as hard as it may be

i would work on transferring to a proper university if i were you, you can meet a lot more ppl that way

[oblique willow]

Do you consider yourself good at socializing?

[long orchid]

if you're anything like who you seem you probably find community college a breeze, use that to your advantage to top the class

[long orchid]

no, but i also don't care -- i just try and meet people and go with the flow

[oblique willow]

It's mundane platitudes nothing rigorous or actually research related

I think a small param character model could ace it 😭

[long orchid]

yeah, so as distasteful as you find it, do the dirty work and Just Beat It

[oblique willow]

how do you meet people?

[long orchid]

libraries, classes, cafe's

[oblique willow]

At some conf? Library? Classmates?

[oblique willow]

fun

[long orchid]

lecturer being an idiot? tell your classmate that in a problem session, if you have those

cold opens are difficult and kinda scary tbh (i can't do them still) but common ground helps

if there are clubs for common interests go there

the thing is though is that friendships take work -- not like the "ugh this is awful" kind of work (if they're good friends anyway), but you can't just exist and attract friend like a magnet

so once you have somewhat of a rapport with someone you can ask for their IG

then text them on there, about whatever the fuck

[oblique willow]

writing out your entire life like a movie script or fault tree is hard and not always effective.

w take!! Overexamined life isn't worth living either ig 😭

[long orchid]

that's what i do, but over discord -- i met friends over the university high performance computing group and the trans group (both over discord), and now i just chill

[oblique willow]

I don't use IG 😭

[long orchid]

snapchat

[oblique willow]

😭 t..that either

[long orchid]

text them, literally anything

[oblique willow]

don't think I'm weird or lying like rest do

[dreamy crag]

saying things along the line of "they are such a small percentage of the population, it doesnt matter" is inherently violent language, and i am actualy sick of it

*this post is about people being intersex

[glossy marlin]

-# depending on what you count, at some point ~0.03% or ~1% or ~8% of people were confirmed to be intersex

[dreamy crag]

which btw, is still millions of poeple no mater what

[glossy marlin]

yep

[true zinc]

I know 4 intersex people at uni alone, they are not that rare, so saying that they don't deserve care makes me very very angry

[magic python]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1470099433927606332/1487848006639423658/IMG_0569.jpg?ex=69cbf36f&is=69caa1ef&hm=f0f104ad4d704ed230ad1327c6f682b8a70da465533cc6f38936d00d2133a8d4&

Just because they are a "small percentage" doesn't mean it isn't still a large fucking population

[dreamy crag]

also, very similar to trans people, the moment we mention we are intersex, we get the "whats in ur pants"

[true zinc]

oh gods....

[glossy marlin]

yep...

[magic python]

Yeah the normalized sexual harassment is fucking insane

And then they call us groomers or predators

If you care about what genitals random strangers have, I think you are the danger, idk...

[dreamy crag]

by the way, the answer to this is to yell as loud as you can, "EXCSUSE ME, WHY ARE YOU ASKIING TO SEE MY GENTILES"

[magic python]

Yes it is :3

[true zinc]

screaming this is just funnier for me bc I'm extremely loud anyway and I'm also partially deaf and have auditory processing issues so...people may not even interpret it as me doing a bit

[next schooner]

^ st paul to roman legionaries at antioch or something

[magic python]

Idk why people would want to see the non-jewish people someone owns anyways /j /lh /s

[dreamy crag]

god fucking damnit

[magic python]

It's fine, everyone got what it meant :3

[dreamy crag]

mhm...

i know...

[glossy marlin]

I´m also intersex in some way afaik.
-# might be something less noticeable or just weird hormones but I´m kinda hoping I´ve got basically all the structures...

but yea nature is interesting and some people suck

[dreamy crag]

fr

we just have AES, which is kinda lame tbh /hj

[rapid valve]

Wait

Ok no i confused 2 things

[dreamy crag]

why belgum?

[mellow pond]

yee iirc there's like a hormonal variant and a genetic variant

[rapid valve]

It's romania

[dreamy crag]

Fuck I can’t see

That also doesn’t make much sense to me

[weary edge]

what does “formal” actually mean?

I understand this might be a weird question but it’s something I have thought about for a long time and have not come to a satisfactory conclusion about

[fresh urchin]

6-7

[grizzled crypt]

you mean in a math context or something else?

[weary edge]

math I suppose

the question is directed at terms like “formal system” “formal theory” but im thinking about it rather broadly

[grizzled crypt]

okay that was my next question because there are also formal power series lol

[weary edge]

I don’t really know what a formal power series is but if in some roundabout way it intends to convey the same idea that the “formal” in “formal system” does then sure I mean that too

I just looked. I do know what this is, I’d just never heard the term. It’s interesting that it’s called a Formal power series Still don’t know if it’s trying to convey the same thing

[grizzled crypt]

yeah it's a different use of the term which is why I wanted to clarify first

I think the term formal just distinguishes it from loose forms of logic outside of math right?

[weary edge]

i suppose. i was asking a more imaginative form of the question. like "what makes something formal" rather than "waht is the adjective formal a qualitative description of"

[grizzled crypt]

I think it's just a synonym for rigorous

[weary edge]

you can't have informal rigor?

[grizzled crypt]

maybe formal just refers to a certain perspective of writing things down and following rules, without regard for an interpretation

[weary edge]

that seems like it could be going somewhere. a certain take on writing

[grizzled crypt]

actually now that I write that I remember Formalism is literally a mathematical philosophy that says pretty much that lol so it might be right

[weary edge]

i honestly think that term was completely wasted on that school of thought

i feel like designating a "formalism" is something that deserves more thought than just a tacked-on school of thought. i dont know. that's just how i feel

I was thinking maybe it's close to meaning something like "discretely composed" but this rubs me the wrong way. i dont know. this is probably one of those things that is hard to talk about

but its not like i came here with any intetnion but to spitball anyhow

[grizzled crypt]

oh that's a good point that's a third use of the word that I forgot about. like you can do the same comoutation but within two different formalisms

[sharp yarrow]

No

[weary edge]

abiding by a syntax and having some idea of "well-definedness" often gets you pretty close to being "formal"

[grizzled crypt]

here I'm thinking like two computations in differential geometry but e.g. in one of them you always write everything in terms of differential forms and in the other version you use your other favorite type of objects

it's a different use of the word than in "formal logic" but I think people also call this kind of thing "a formalism"

[weary edge]

yes

i feel like "formal power series" is probably meant to be in the same ballpark as well

"a formal way of designating a power series", i guess?

maybe that idea is rooted in a total misunderstanding of the term and/or the concept

[grizzled crypt]

that one my guess is just that it's a thing that has the form/appearance (in the sense of the symbols) as a power series

[weary edge]

oh yes that makes sense

[grizzled crypt]

the term is also used in a similar way in analysis in general, when you move symbols around without justifying convergence

like you could "formally integrate by parts"

[weary edge]

oh i see. i didnt know this

well taht's also interesting because it alludes to a sort of context independent manipulation of symbols

context indepdendent within reason of course

[grizzled crypt]

yeah I think that's the conclusion. in all the uses of the word we mentioned I think the formal part refers to symbol pushing

[weary edge]

my own use of the term "within reason" is also the sort of funny. i feel like the "reason" we're "within" is the formalism

[weary edge]

i think this might be pretty close

have to go
fun conversation ty

[sharp yarrow]

No

[velvet cairn]

Through my own experience of learning advanced calc and real analysis in undergraduate math, I realized a need to simplify notation when it comes to a class like it. While the notation is something that brings more appreciation to the subject, but for me as well as a lot of people AI came across, it became a hassle and stole the enjoyment out of the idea of calc.

My question - if given a choice, would you like to go over a medium article that helps with real analysis concepts with extremely simplistic notation and explains it?

[surreal sapphire]

what

i dont think the notation we use is complicated or anything, there is a reason weve been using it for 100+ years after all

[verbal quest]

that "AI" typo
mhm

[glossy marlin]

physiological, chromosomal, hormonal
a lot of variants

[long orchid]

formal theory is a term used in the social sciences to indicate that a theory is primarily based on mathematical modeling -- the exception being economics since all economic theory is mathematical

idk if that's what you meant but yeah

[upbeat basin]

What else could a model be based on?

[long orchid]

idk, philosophical/sociological reasoning?

[hidden bough]

I really don't think that this is an accurate characterization of economics lol

[long orchid]

all mainstream econ is

i don't really consider marxian/Austrian/post-Keynesian stuff economics

very poor empirics, a lot of it is wordslop with little in the way of evidence imo

https://academic.oup.com/cje/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cje/beag011/8672739

here's an example of something post-Keynesian

[stark trench]

Yeah, I agree.

All mainstream economics is based in mathematical modeling, and "theory" is actually reserved for like, philosophy of economics.

Whereas in other sciences "theory" is usually reserved for non-phenomenological stuff.

Of course, most mainstream economics is like, not phenomenological at all, and has worse methods than psychology.

This was a huge objection to econometrics for a while.

[long orchid]

i strongly disagree on this

like the other social sciences seem markedly worse at casual inference, for instance

[stark trench]

Yes, because they're like, better at knowing they're bad at causal inference.

[long orchid]

not sure what you mean

[stark trench]

A large portion of economic modeling is junk, e.g. DSGE.

[long orchid]

there's a lot more to macro than SDGE methinks

[stark trench]

Well, alright. A large portion of economic integration of empiric data involves doing multiple linear regressions with dummy variables, for instance.

[stark trench]

There is, but I can name endless examples. I'm not trying to remark economics is like, purely detached from data but it does suffer a serious problem in that a lot of modeling is horrible and the causal inferences done by most economists are very sketchy.

[long orchid]

again can you give a concrete example

[stark trench]

Sure, I'm willing to give examples of economics papers which do exactly what I mentioned above with MLRs.

[long orchid]

ok fair that's beyond me

you'll find the economics discord a better place to discuss this i think

[stark trench]

I mean, I'm not really trying to shit on economics. I don't think it's like a psuedoscience or anything, I just don't actually think economists are better at causal inference than other social sciences and this should make some sense when you realize that economists are dealing with very complicated phenomena that needs to be coherent with our knowledge of the behavior of humans on the individual level, the behavior of institutions, etc. and this is not easy to do. Further, almost all macroeconomic data is super heterogeneous because there isn't any way to control policy.

Now, econometric modeling has become much more popular.

This is good, econometrics is good.

[long orchid]

the behavior of institutions
AJR?

almost all macroeconomic data is super heterogeneous because there isn't any way to control policy.
this is also like, one of the motivations to study causal inference no? endogeneity in almost all social scientific data

[stark trench]

Yeah, there's lots of economics literature on how institutions behave, including Nobel-prize winners.

This doesn't preclude it from being the case economics will (or ought) to draw fewer causal conclusions.

[heavy dagger]

this is so true im so miffed about stupid undergrad research on econometrics using this

[stark trench]

Yes, it's like a ritual.

So much statistical analysis in all fields is ritualistic, it's not unique to economics.

[stark trench]

You want to construct causal models in all cases. Otherwise you cannot interpret statistical data really at all.

[long orchid]

isn't that what they do tho

[stark trench]

But yes, the development of plausible causal models is helpful for dealing with massive heterogeneity but the heterogeneity also undermines your ability to develop (good) causal models.

[stark trench]

Yes, many of which are bad.

This is fine, we don't need to always have good models. But it's just not true economics has better causal inference.

It's worse, because economics is a really messy and difficult field.

[long orchid]

this is interesting, coz every economist i've spoken to says the opposite

annoyingly so even, some refuse to read sociology papers for instance coz of how bad they think it is

[stark trench]

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/59777515e58c626d85616367/t/598ce8ca197aeaa6ffce7dc0/1502406859923/life_among_the_econs_leijonhufvud_1973.pdf

[long orchid]

from... 1973?

[stark trench]

Yeah, the article is still relevant.

I mean you can even just skim it.

It's not a difficult read or anything.

[long orchid]

i suppose

[left ginkgo]

Can any of u guys understand parents mentality

Y can my parents just leave their kids in the dirt

[inland hornet]

your website is really cool btw

[stark trench]

Earlier you asked for a concrete example. (Haryono et al. 2022) uses a MLR model with a dummy variable and infers a bunch of causal relations from it with no elaboration. This sucks. It's really bad. All of the authors are economists. The study straightforwardly does this.

@long orchid

[long orchid]

oh fair enough, though IN MY DEFENSE i have never heard of that journal lol

[stark trench]

You will not hear of most journals that exist.

[long orchid]

i read mostly qje/aer/ecma in my free time -- i did a search and it's legit Q4 on SJR, if that means anything

[stark trench]

Yeah, I mean that's fine with me.

[long orchid]

i can buy that most econ research is shit

as a corollary of most all research is shit but ye

sorry, i have a weird personal response to people shitting on econ coz i enjoy it (even though you probs know more than me haha)

[stark trench]

It's worthwhile to look at the Nobel Prize winners in economics if you care about the Nobel Prize. I don't but it's a prestigious award. The Nobel Prize in 2021 was awarded to three people who all made major contributions to the field of causal inference in economics (labor economics specifically), and their contributions are surveyed here.

[long orchid]

i've heard all those names, people speak of them highly

[stark trench]

Yeah. Their research is great.

It's nice we were discussing this because I was having a discussion with someone not too long ago who believes in parapsychology and I and a few other folk are basically having to explain to them why parapsychological phenomena don't exist, and now I'm perusing through a (frankly horrible) systematic review of "all" meta-analyses on psi phenomena and simultaneously trying to explain the relevance of ontologies to interpreting statistical data.

[long orchid]

i am not convinced that those that believe in parapsychology do so for informed reasons

[stark trench]

They don't.

I can send you the review if you'd like, it's garbage.

[long orchid]

like idk if you can convince them, those folk tend to be conspiratorial and shit

[stark trench]

But it's not obvious that it's super garbage (it's obvious it's pretty bad) from first glance.

I'm reading through all the analyses mentioned in the review. Which sucks and takes a lot of time, but it makes me feel smart and special and fastidious.

[long orchid]

ur cool :)

[stark trench]

Oops. I should've linked the preprint version.

[long orchid]

what do you hope to achieve with reading this review

[stark trench]

To adequately explain to the other person why psi phenomena aren't real.

[long orchid]

is it one of those "i'm autistic and i will get to the bottom of this rabbithole come hell or high water" moments (i'm autistic fwiw)

[stark trench]

Once I do that, I hope they're convinced and if they're not, I can like sit on my moral (epistemic) high horse or whatever.

I think it's better to at least try, when you can, than do nothing and like just make fun of them or whatever.

[wispy shore]

Iam about to start college maths major , in a month. Can anybody help me what should I do in remaining time. Study college calculus? Trigonometry?

[stark trench]

Studying calculus is good because you'll probably take a calculus class pretty early on.

[long orchid]

what are psi phenomena even /gen

[stark trench]

Any phenomena involving humans controlling stuff around them that doesn't have an existing physical explanation. It's really a term of exclusion.

[wispy shore]

I had a gap year where i didn't study maths for long time? Will this be a problem in college

[stark trench]

Probably not.

Now, how people will "define" it is as "psychic phenomena" or whatever but this is wrong.

[long orchid]

good god

what was their evidence /gen

[stark trench]

A review of existing meta-analyses. I can DM it to you if you'd like, it's freely available online.

[long orchid]

oh nah im bad at assessing scientific integrity haha

i'll pass

[stoic tusk]

seriously

[mellow pond]

yee

[distant cave]

Anyone into mocktails? I am looking for a solvent for spice oils besides alcohol or oils. Glycerine< vinegar?

[heavy dagger]

Acemoglu and so on?

I've appreciated Acemoglu for a long time actually

[small isle]

seriously hi

seriously what

[sharp yarrow]

Seriously, no

[dreamy crag]

why does "writing issue" mean "dialog issue" for 90% of people? and why does "dialog issue" mean "the character doesnt act how i like" for 80% of people?

[narrow lava]

context?

[dreamy crag]

just a general thing ive noticed in my time on the internet

[narrow lava]

I dont get what u mean by writing issue and dialog issue

[dreamy crag]

an issue with the writing of the story vs an issue with the dialog of the story

[narrow lava]

ooh Im not into non fiction honestly if that's what you mean

Also why are there no VCs in this server

[dreamy crag]

there are, you just need active or above to access them

[narrow lava]

How unconvenient

[dreamy crag]

also, no, in an original work, a character is never "out of character", thats just how they are. you can say that it was a jaring change that didnt feel natural, but they are still in character

[stoic tusk]

seriously

[dreamy crag]

its convenient for the moderators

[narrow lava]

How

[dreamy crag]

so that random people cant go into vc and do things that they dont want in their server

[narrow lava]

I don't see an issue with letting everyone come in VC

[dreamy crag]

people will say slurs, be queerphobic, yell, make others uncomfterble, ect

[narrow lava]

I mean, almost every server I've been into has all their VCs public unless it's admin rooms or smth, I haven't seen any problems with it

[dreamy crag]

good for you

[narrow lava]

That's easily manageable lol, and even fewer people would do that in a math discord server

[azure kraken]

what do you guys think about someone dating their stepsibling?

[dreamy crag]

you would think

[old oak]

This server has a rare combination of a lot of underage users, and a lot of fairly mature users who are leery of potential issues caused by unrestricted VC with such a large userbase

[narrow lava]

too leery

[dreamy crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/268882317391429632/1505258783541039227/IMG_7805.gif

[azure kraken]

oh right its the guy who was saying that homosexuality was a mental illness

[narrow lava]

erm so
can I get vc perms :)

[azure kraken]

anyway i got a question:

what do you guys think about someone dating their stepsibling?

[dreamy crag]

as long as there isnt like a power imbalance, i dont think it should be punished at all, however, if you grew up with them in a familial role, i am side eyeing you

[brittle jasper]

That's not really how author privilege works

[azure kraken]

hmm

[dreamy crag]

how is it not? "out of character" means that the character isnt acting how they normaly would. the origional text is telling you how they would act, even if its jaring

[storm sage]

The real issues aren't the people shouting slurs tbh but more insidious stuff like grooming

You can't really assess whether inappropriate conduct is taking place unless you can go back and read the logs

[brittle jasper]

If you accept writing that has no internal cohesion you should accept writing that breaks every logical rule

[storm sage]

There used to be VCs in the server and it was a bit catastrophic in terms of moderation drama

[dreamy crag]

i do. i say its (usualy) bad writting, but its not out of character

[narrow lava]

If this is what worries the mods, then I don't think putting VCs behind activity levels would solve that

[dreamy crag]

im not saying that this should be ignored, just that saying "out of character" is the wrong critisism

[dreamy crag]

its much more easy to moderate when there are much fewer people

[storm sage]

It mitigates it to some extent because the VCs are less active and more easily monitored

[brittle jasper]

Then it should be written that way: God commanded character X to do [bad things here]

[narrow lava]

no that's not how it works 😭

[storm sage]

I wouldn't be against deleting the VCs entirely though tbh

[azure kraken]

im still sad that lance lance ended the long ass vc we had at one point

[dreamy crag]

yes it is? have you ever moderated anything?

[brittle jasper]

It doesn't work if it's written as X did [bad thing here]
There's a big difference

[narrow lava]

that's not how you solve the issue 😭

[dreamy crag]

what are you even arguing

[river olive]

i think people should be free to do what they want. but they have to handle the criticism of there descision

[storm sage]

What's your solution

[azure kraken]

it is, less people on vc means less people to monitor

[dreamy crag]

i mean, it works

[narrow lava]

why would you limit the userbase when you can give a better fundamental solution such as, just give people who chose undergrad roles or stuff like that the VCs, the others no

[azure kraken]

its a hunger games-esque solution but it works

[narrow lava]

It works, but it's just wasting potential

[brittle jasper]

You're saying that out-of-character moments that happen to characters are just normal, part of normal writing, when that is completely not the case.

[azure kraken]

and groomers can just pick undergrad to groom minors

[storm sage]

The undergrad roles aren't really about age, they're just about math interests

[narrow lava]

undergrad aren't minors?

[dreamy crag]

because you can lie about undergrad role. also, the problem would be quantity of people, not quality

[narrow lava]

I dont think so?

[storm sage]

Any age of person can pick any math role

[narrow lava]

everyone can lie about everything, what's your point?

[storm sage]

Well they are...

[brittle jasper]

I'm not lying about me being god

[storm sage]

Also this isn't true, there's a fair number of undergrads under 18

[azure kraken]

-# is this bait and are we falling for it

[storm sage]

Especially first-years

[narrow lava]

yeah they're 17.9y/o

[dreamy crag]

ok, so im going to ignore you know, because you were not reading my message, i activily said that writting moments that do not feel like the character would do that (a character discontinuity) is a bad thing, but that saying it is out of character is the wrong form of critisism.

[narrow lava]

we should NOT let them in VCs guys they're 17.9

[dreamy crag]

literaly me!

[azure kraken]

this

[storm sage]

There's a good number of minors here with the Postgraduate Math role...

[narrow lava]

it's more like an unfair number, from experience, but sure

[azure kraken]

what are you even trying to say here

whats your main point

[dreamy crag]

they just really dont wanna admit their stupid/willing to let people get groomed cause they wanna yap in vc

[azure kraken]

like do you want the server vcs to be more active?

[narrow lava]

open VCs for God's sake

[storm sage]

I think his main point is just that he wants to talk in a VC lol

[azure kraken]

are we fucking serious

stupidest shit ive heard today

[brittle jasper]

It's not the wrong form of criticism, because you're saying that writing characters who engage in character discontinuity for no rhyme or reason is being wrong, when it is not.
Yes, there are times when people act out of character, or when people get whimsical and change plans. But this does not mean authors can write characters to act in whatever they want, such as stating plainly the curvature of a dagger shows where ruins are because they would land on a specific line of sight to said ruins

[storm sage]

Anyways the VCs used to be open to a wide section of the userbase but there were a lot of problems that had bad endings so it was either get rid of the VCs entirely or mostly get rid of the VCs

[dreamy crag]

this i belive was an issue in celestecord when i was more active there, so yeah, avoiding it is for the best. they do the same thing as here; you have to have a specific amount of activity before you vc

[storm sage]

The mods chose to not get rid of them entirely

[narrow lava]

What happened

[storm sage]

I'm not really going to get into the details

[azure kraken]

very bad people saying very bad things

we still have the problem in text channels, let alone voice channels

[narrow lava]

that happens everywhere?

does that mean we should delete everywhere

[storm sage]

Well the goal is to not have those people in this server...

[azure kraken]

oh my god bro

[old oak]

This is not really a good reason for facilitating it happening here

[brittle jasper]

Actually we should

[narrow lava]

it's like saying we should not have bad people in the world

[glossy marlin]

I´d say there´s the same sort of nuance as with other relationships, and it´s rare enough to (from what I´ve heard and the bit I know about genetics) not cause too many problems for children (unless it´s in a cult or on an island or something)

[storm sage]

Yes we should ban the people saying very bad things....

[narrow lava]

🤣 do it please

[brittle jasper]

I only said we should. I don't have the power.

[azure kraken]

im totally not asking this because a book i read has this dynamic

[brittle jasper]

Is it Citrus

[azure kraken]

caught me

[narrow lava]

exactly, not ban VCs

[brittle jasper]

Don't read it, read something better

[narrow lava]

You do, you're just too lazy to do it, admit it

[storm sage]

I can't tell if you're reading anything that's being said lol

[azure kraken]

im already invested 😭

[brittle jasper]

You're free to create your own server with VC

[brittle jasper]

Sell now

[narrow lava]

This server already has everything needed

[brittle jasper]

no

[narrow lava]

What am I missing

[storm sage]

I think occasional public VCs monitored by mods would be fun but the mods already have busy enough jobs

[azure kraken]

it obviously doesnt since you're unsatisfied with the lack of vcs

also if we open vcs im not sure if mods are gonna be able to monitor the vcs efficiently

and our mod team already does a lot

[dreamy crag]

you are not listening to me, so im blocking you after this message. what i am arguing is that the term "out of character" is not criticism to an origional work, as that is defining what the character is. in some cases, characters acting very weird compaired to what they were doing priviously is bad writing and will take the reader out of the story, other times it works very well. the actual type of criticism where you mention that a character acted wilildly diferent in two similar senarios is a thing, but the term is character discontinuity (or other terms like it), not being "out of character".

[narrow lava]

of course they will not be able to monitor VCs efficiently, not even discord is able to monitor its app efficiently

does that mean we will not have discord?

[azure kraken]

then why do you want vc if you acknowledge this?

[brittle jasper]

Didn't realise you only wanted to rename things and went ahead to post this in #serious-discussion, previously discussing grooming

[narrow lava]

does discord monitor its app efficiently?

[brittle jasper]

Yes, if discord cannot be monitored, then it won't exist

[dreamy crag]

so then we shouldnt have something if our options are
A: let people potential be groomed
B: literaly just lock it behind an activity wall

[brittle jasper]

This depends on the amount of free time of volunteers

[azure kraken]

would you allow people to be groomed more?

[narrow lava]

???

[storm sage]

I mean arguably Discord should be doing a ton more, and the reason it doesn't is that the company fundamentally doesn't care about child safety

[dreamy crag]

this is what you are arguing for

[azure kraken]

if we open the vcs here the probability of bad people doing bad things in the vcs spikes

[storm sage]

That doesn't have any bearing about what we should do in this server though

[narrow lava]

LOL you're choosing my arguments for me now?

[azure kraken]

and its already a problem in text channels

[dreamy crag]

again, these are the options

[azure kraken]

there are no arguments to choose from, you literally only have ONE

[dreamy crag]

no, i am just explaining what you are arguing for because i do not belive you understand it yourself

[brittle jasper]

yes

[narrow lava]

@dreamy crag @azure kraken you guys need some help seriously
@storm sage Why are you spending your time with these guys, u'd become just like them

[brittle jasper]

@storm sage why are you in the cool group

[storm sage]

Anyways I think this guy is like trolling so there's not much point in further argument

[azure kraken]

hey @dreamy crag mods dont mind if we ping them for inquiries right

[dreamy crag]

its better to use mod mail for that

[narrow lava]

I'm trolling because I want to have a VC so I can ask questions, and some people saying I want people to be groomed, sure have a nice one

[azure kraken]

gotcha

[old oak]

Is the alternative becoming obsessed with the availability of VC on a random discord server?

[brittle jasper]

You've been told why.
Yet you persist in whining.
And you keep wondering why.

[glossy marlin]

discord doesn´t give a fuck about monitoring its app unless they´d allow minorities and/or lose profits

[dreamy crag]

> tells discord about a server where minors are activly saying "looking for mature parnters"
> waits a month
> server still up

real thing thats happened to me btw

[storm sage]

What do you guys think is the optimal amount of time to spend on a phone or laptop per day, in your life

[brittle jasper]

0

[azure kraken]

1-2 hours

[storm sage]

Why are you here

[brittle jasper]

I didn't say I was rational or optimal

[dreamy crag]

it really just depends what you are doing

[azure kraken]

for me the optimal time tho is 3-5 for schoolwork

[storm sage]

Well sure but on average in your current life

[dreamy crag]

like i feel like reading + work + interacting with people close to you can take up quite a bit

[azure kraken]

tho my current screen time is 12 hours (most of it is in pdf viewer)

[dreamy crag]

i average like 8 hours, it should be half or less tbh (not counting reading or music cause... duh)

[glossy marlin]

yep... and there are servers where mature partners are looking for minors.
and a bunch of completely innocent sfw transfem spaces got marked as nsfw or completely removed over time

[azure kraken]

oh if we arent counting reading books on your phone then it drops to like an hour and a half

[old oak]

None of us are

[brittle jasper]

[dreamy crag]

I’m dicotic I think

I just said I was dicotic, and $\mathbb{G}^0\cap\mathbf{No}=\emptyset$

[fathom swallow]

Natalie cgt queen She/Her

[dreamy crag]

So no

[ember glen]

https://tenor.com/view/bookio-gif-13932157847762104386

https://tenor.com/view/girlswantgiris-twt-gif-25618767

[dreamy crag]

not the place

[zealous garden]

What the fuck

[hidden isle]

hoot hooty

[zealous garden]

0h30m

[dreamy crag]

its still up btw, its been 4 months now, i just checked

[zealous garden]

What the FUCK

[sharp cairn]

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScalAPd8dMk04oYP36VcDNicFZW0CLDcMY4eUu-1pwvcWLLFA/viewform?usp=publish-editor yo guys fill out this form for my ad stats class pls. im gonna fail if I dont get enough data its due tmrw pls

[true inlet]

guys i have an ad stats project with an upcoming due date and I need yall to fill out the form or i'm gonna fail https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScalAPd8dMk04oYP36VcDNicFZW0CLDcMY4eUu-1pwvcWLLFA/viewform?usp=sharing&ouid=100852721533592957311

[paper vigil]

no

[mellow pond]

people like that, if you can even call them people, are so fucking pathetic and disgusting

[zealous garden]

Don't dehumanize children or the predators. It's important to recognize that it is in fact a human being responsible

[mellow pond]

true, my apologies

[mellow pond]

this does make me think tho

there is a bit of a problem with things like this that i've noticed

people not wanting to humanize a criminal or specifically a predator but expecting them to be treated as such in a court of law

[mellow pond]

which i can't say isn't reasonable
it's understandable to view such behaviors as something "below" humanity but still wanting justice to be served

[true zinc]

Predators are not human.

[mellow pond]

but again, as @zealous garden said, it's a problem when dehumanization becomes a way to dodge culpability

[true zinc]

Agreed, they are extremely culpable, they deserve the book thrown at them

[glossy marlin]

-# *once proven beyond reasonable doubt to be predators and not just members of an oppressed group often accused of it

[mellow pond]

agreed

[zealous garden]

False

Denying their humanity only serves as a sneaky way to not recognize the potential for evil in yourself or those close to you

It is only harmful

[mellow pond]

#serious-discussion message
yep

[zealous garden]

Even if it feels right

[violet tiger]

Hey guys so a little context about me

I'm a 18 year old boy whose currently going to retake o level maths and also do add maths now.

A bit more context about my relationship with math before I actually ask for advice and questions. Ever since I was a kid I was good with numbers normally like I liked discipline rules and etc. But then came corona/covid time thats when my whole academic career went to shit espically maths SO MUCH I skipped maths always I was so terrified of maths I hated maths so fcking much cause online first off I dont understand shi in online secondly I am always distracted online. Lastly I always always found excuses to skip maths and espically practice I hated practicing and I was computationally slow like I wasn't a fast processors I can get ideas down very quick but not like do calculations very quick because I doubt a lot I'm the exact opposite of a human calculator this continued until covid ended and normal classes resumed and after it resumed I just gave up on maths forever got 3/100 0 always I never even tried I failed every exam of maths until again another canon event happened and I had to leave school and go into coaching for o levels where still I hated maths but I stopped because of the randomest thing. Philosophy and just normal logic and reasoning slowly and slowly (at the beggining I still was dogshit at maths but I didnt hate it anymore just accepted it) later I gained a lot of knowledge from my tutor after that I shifted a lot I knew that if I really eantd to change the world and influence decisions and have control first I must control myself and conquer myself and change myself then I went into the conspiracy and philosophical rabbit holes religion that Is a whole another reddit post but yeah I matured a lot. At the end of august because of family issues I had to study maths online maths d o level syllabus I had to complete it in 1 month not even a proper month but whatever and I did

That time I realized I wasn't bad at maths neither did I hate maths I was just afraid of it because I was unfamiliar with it and I didnt realize I had a systemic brain like a engineering brain or so I believe imnnot sure neither am I claiming anything but after o levels maths I researched more into maths what is it about what does it represent even though I got a 59 percent on maths d sigh whatever but after it I realized maths had a lot of similar values as me and it was very similar to philosophy like it was based on reasoning logic arguments justification and just pattern recognition+ applying rules and it felt so simple even tho I'm not good at maths anymore but it doesnt feel bad or shit or like its hards it feels engaging and normal like I'm just applying rules to a tool or like enchanting a sword in Minecraft I really dont know if anyone is understanding what I mean because I am very very new to this community I am seriously look like I'm larping or frauding here. But I'm serious I wanna get into maths as a whole fully not be a mathematician but actually be able to apply maths everywhere applicable espically because I'm going into ai/cyber security. Now I'm thinking do people actually comeback like this I mean I'm not thinking about just grades but as a whole as a person can I actually become omplyiad or like actually understand and research in mathsnin the near future or is this feeling gonna fade or am I just gonna get destroyed by a mathematical progidy I don't really know what I am asking I just wanna know am I the only one who is like this? Like who hate something ever since childhood but turns out they lobe it? And later become insanely good at it ?(hopefully) or is everyone who is in this maths fields always loved it from the start and were good at it? Please be honest and lastly. How can I actually learn the most efficient way possible I have to levels maths d and. Add maths in this Oct November is it possible?

I mean yes its possible but how hard should it be how much should I prepare thank you everyone for reading this

[glossy marlin]

-# woah, text wall

[zealous garden]

I can't not mention the holy fucking yap, but you're probably on the normal side, there are plenty of us who only got into math "after the fact" so to speak

Like I got into it after I dropped out of college, I never hated it beforehand, but I definitely didn't love it. It was just a tool

Sometime after, thanks in part to philosophy, I began to appreciate math for itself

[west bone]

Well math is sorta an universal language
And language is a tool
So math is Still a universal tool

[zealous garden]

I didn't say math wasn't still a tool, but it is far more than that as well

[west bone]

For example?

[zealous garden]

Before it was just a tool

[zealous garden]

Math is its own worthwhile line of study and inquiry, of philosophical and sometimes even spiritual value, without direct application to some other discipline

[west bone]

(Doesnt that make math a simple complicated tool)

[bright pebble]

Same as me😭😭

[zealous garden]

You're missing the point

It makes it more than a tool. Kind of like a sword

[bright pebble]

Yep I now study maths 2+ hrs daily

[west bone]

(A sword is a simple tool too)

[elfin swift]

I'm booty at math and I'm gonna try for a Electrical engineering degree, someone pray, I enjoy the work but not math knowledgeable :/

[west bone]

Goodluck

[zealous garden]

A sword is a weapon, a tool for killing and defending. But a sword is also an extension of the self, becoming skilled and disciplined with the sword is its own way of life, with philosophies, codes, mental and physical benefits

Someone may get a sword and learn how to use it for artistic and expressive purposes, for health reasons, for spiritual reasons, all with no intent to use it as an actual tool

It is much more than simply a tool, though yes it is a tool as well

[west bone]

So according to this, You "bond" with the sword
But for example, if they brought an identical sword, you wouldnt be abled to use it as you have bonded with the original one?

And using sword for health or art is still using it as a tool imo

As long as you swing it

[zealous garden]

Sure you would, if it's identical

[west bone]

But you havent bonded with THAT sword?

[zealous garden]

I have to disagree

[zealous garden]

Irrelevant ultimately

[west bone]

So you cannot bond with a sword, therefore it makes it a tool

[violet tiger]

what should i do?

[zealous garden]

???

[west bone]

Just a tool, I mean

[glossy marlin]

swords are also kinda a stereotypical but interesting thing to forge and have a lot of history. there are a dozen kinds of things the average person may simply refer to as a sword that have different origins and niches.

[zealous garden]

I didn't say you can't bond with it, and whether or not you can has no impact on whether it is or isn't a tool, or just a tool

[violet tiger]

YOU TOO? I GOT INTO MATH BECAUSE OOF PHILOSOPHY

[west bone]

My point in general is
"Shrimpfically" Math is a tool, just that

[zealous garden]

The point is that it is a tool with uses, but there are values to swordsmanship and swords outside of their toolhood

Literally just: swords make great decorations and are pieces of art

Maybe math problems are just fun to solve for you, it's not about tools for problem solving, just the love of the game

Maybe math isn't about problem solving for you, but about determining which statements are true, simply to know

[glossy marlin]

a good bit of maths popped up with basically no use and it´s often done mostly if not entirely because some people like to do it.

[zealous garden]

Your point is wrong then

[west bone]

(I'm sure determining which statements are true/simply to know are solving problems

[zealous garden]

Math is not just a tool

[zealous garden]

Based

[violet tiger]

why is there a fight

[west bone]

Disagree, math has been developed and still being developed to solve complex problems that cant be solved rn

[west bone]

Nah just a discussion

[zealous garden]

This isn't a counter argument

Nothing you said means that what Azalea said is wrong

You just axiomatically refuse the true statement being provided with no justification

[zealous garden]

If you want to be as utterly uselessly broad as "solving my boredom is problem solving" then sure

[glossy marlin]

some little bits of it, and much of that is also just because people like doing it and may have popped up before uses were found.
most cgt is done for the love of the game, most people won´t use topology in the supermarket...

[zealous garden]

In which case literally everything is problem solving, which makes this perspective useless

[west bone]

Ok

[zealous garden]

most cgt is done for the love of the game
Fucking brilliant one

[mellow pond]

peak

[dire robin]

It’s disgusting how right wingers try to frame the recent mosque shooter as trans

Even though he openly hated trans people

[dreamy crag]

another... im not even like disapointed, im just mad, something needs to change

[pale drum]

Hi guys,

Since I was a kid, I wasn't always good at math. I don't think it's because I lack intelligence or something; it's just that I wasn't dedicated to it.

For a moment, I want to reconcile with mathematics and start from 0; however, I don't know where to start. I really want to enjoy the process and take my time, regardless of how many times it takes. Could someone give me any advice?

[west bone]

If you're gonna start from 0, like really, start with "+, -, ÷, ×"

(I presume You dont "know/not good at anythinf" considering you want to start from 0)

[pale drum]

yeah 0

[west bone]

Yeah, start by + -, than × and ÷

[pale drum]

Okayyy

[west bone]

Also, Duolingo had a math course (numbers, + - × ÷, fractional numbers, integers, basic algebra, basic analitical geometry, etc

[granite hound]

Can I ask what you want to get out of this? Like, math is really really big and wanting to learn how to understand physics is different from wanting to understand cryptography is different from wanting to learn accounting

Are you a student maybe? If so, what level are you at?

I don't wanna discourage you from learning, just want to know what sorts of directions would be good to suggest

If you don't have a clear goal or anything that's fine too!

[pale drum]

Learning just for the sake of learning is something I truly value in life. I’m curious about almost everything, and we live in an era where nearly anything can be learned. I’m grateful to have the privilege and opportunity to learn every day.

It’s also a great way to challenge myself. I enjoy stepping outside of my comfort zone and pushing myself to explore things that feel difficult or unfamiliar.

On top of that, mathematics brings many benefits to the brain. It strengthens logical thinking, problem-solving, and discipline, skills that can positively impact many aspects of life in general.

[granite hound]

A valid a reason as any!

[untold iron]

so

[granite hound]

Hmm, well "starting from 0" really would be solving simple arithmetic problems until you feel fine with +,-,×,÷ and whatnot

[untold iron]

@olive sun

gang the one reasons i get bullied at school is for being topper

[olive sun]

Yeah

[untold iron]

and i hate my class they just c all me nerd or teachers pet while i dont even love my teachers

i say smthng and do the question they just call me shit

and they call me femboy like slurs but they are better

[olive sun]

Bro just face ur fear all teachers have a good favour on u as u r topper so just beat any one of them or atleast make a scene in class by ur own

Which class r u from?

[untold iron]

i dont wanna say but im 13+

i dont share priv tho after a discord incident happened in my country

[olive sun]

Ohh ic

[olive sun]

Sorry I didn't get it

[untold iron]

the grade we learn that parallel things in geometry like that line divides the angle

[olive sun]

On 9th

[untold iron]

2 years before highschool

[olive sun]

Ohk I got it

[naive flicker]

sometime we couldn't decide in what aspect we should show up...show up that i am not nerdy or to just focus on studies

[olive sun]

Btw do u told ur parents bout it?

[untold iron]

so full of school calling me slurs i do too

[untold iron]

not really

[granite hound]

If you want to get comfortable with math at any level, it really does come down to practice in my opinion. Try to do some practice problems daily if you can, maybe try solving math problems you encounter in your life in your head/on paper then checking your results.

One thing I did that made me really good at arithmetic is I got an alarm clock app that makes me solve a problem to turn it off, though a couple people I know have said that didn't work for them so it might not be the best idea

[untold iron]

even girls call me slur but how c an i tell this i saw smthng very bad

in front of my eyes believe or not 2 girl literally kis yeah you get it i dont wanna even say

and they call me gay or femboy

[olive sun]

Uk wht tell ur parents first then take things on ur own

[olive sun]

Ahh ur class is so hypocritic

[untold iron]

also comedy of this part they still do shit that they call me

[untold iron]

also uh they just literally play football with bottle

one time it comed my head i was gonna tell teacher who always becomes mad physical education teacher a men

[olive sun]

Wht did u fear most , ur reputation in school or getting beaten by them?

[granite hound]

Another thing that could be useful is watching math videos online, particularly from people like 3 Blue 1 Brown. I dunno how much good content there is at the level you want, but it's worth checking out!

[untold iron]

he always get mads when they play football but he lets play us football in it class

[untold iron]

getting beaten

and im not good my mentally so yeah i wanted to discuss here

im like started being asocial in my class

[olive sun]

It's so serious my friend

[untold iron]

im in a deep empty area that has no sense and i cant explain it

[glossy marlin]

-# lotta content at low levels, not much for niche topics or high levels, most stuff has some errors...

[untold iron]

and im disgusted with my class

[olive sun]

Yeah ik ur in depression n thinking how to survive whole year with class full of bastards

[granite hound]

3b1b is legitimately how I learned linear algebra, despite having taken multiple courses on the topic previously

[untold iron]

they just do 18+ shit they use vape btw caught 4 of em

3 hours they ask where did they hide it

they hide even roofs of the class bro omg

[olive sun]

Just stay strong n beleive me

[untold iron]

they are just some idiots in my life well everybody knows we have to hold our teeth we cant escape from humans and characters

[olive sun]

Are u in same school till high school?

[untold iron]

2 years later il lgo highschool im in same school

3 years im suffering btw after all this ill just be shy

[olive sun]

Bro are u small compared to them ?

[untold iron]

when i go school tmrw they will call me same shit they using me to prove theirself that im good im right

[olive sun]

Or just equal in physique?

[untold iron]

physique not equal really

but i god hard kicks that i hide it

got*

[olive sun]

Then just unleash some of them when teacher is nearby

[untold iron]

well

[olive sun]

When they try to beat u after school then again go to ur principal n parents

[untold iron]

one of them literally BITE ME BRO

[granite hound]

I don't know if it will be the same for you, but when I got to highschool even though the same pricks were there from before, the fact that there were so many more people made it easier to find people I could actually enjoy being around

[untold iron]

bite me bite me bro i say BITING verb bro

[west bone]

I think thats majorly because brain is a monster for patterns

[olive sun]

The more u complain to teachers the less they will disturb u

[untold iron]

he literally bited me i told my parents and prinpical

[granite hound]

In a good way or bad?

[olive sun]

Are they mad or dumb?

[untold iron]

these people in my class aint humans

[untold iron]

dumb + psychogially idk how to spell stupid

they are stupid dumbs bro

[olive sun]

Uk wht I'm just thinking wht would I do if I would be in ur place

[untold iron]

and bad shit they do the island joke i tihnk u get it

[olive sun]

I will beat their ass of

[olive sun]

Yeah

[untold iron]

teachers dont do shit they always say ill give em punishment but nah

they are saying disgusting 18+ shit etc

[olive sun]

Go directly to ur principal

[untold iron]

and they threat me if i tell teacher

[olive sun]

Wht max they can do?

[untold iron]

they say you want to get smart

[west bone]

Good way
Like
For example
A person that doesnt know numbers can recognize difference between numbers of objects
Or for example
Have you recognized an animator by their animation style? But you dont know why?

[untold iron]

beating up me

[west bone]

Thats because there is a pattern

[olive sun]

They will just beat u right?
Just go in police station n file complaint

[untold iron]

if they have that brave

one more incident it happens they are cooked

i told my parents to change my clas the prinpical didnt c hange

[olive sun]

That's wht I'm saying tell ur parents allow this first

[untold iron]

said other classes are full

[granite hound]

Ah yeah I get what you mean. Sorry I thought you meant that your brain in particular was a monster for patterns, and I was wondering if you meant that as you are particularly good or particularly bad at recognizing patterns

[olive sun]

Bro complaint bout them to ur principal with ur parents in there

[west bone]

I think thats kinda why arithmetic appeared first

[untold iron]

bro some dude in computer class we are free and when i was playing basket random he said open that site to me i said i wont do it he literally threated me i told my teacher

[granite hound]

Draken complaining to adults doesn't always work man

[west bone]

Or one of the first stuff

[untold iron]

and my teachers are idiot today p.e teacher got us outside in a fucking code yellow rain it was very bad i was gonna be sick i did a shower today i didnt got sick thank to my god

[granite hound]

Yeah, well arithmetic is a much more solid foundation than like abstract algebra lol

[west bone]

Like, afaik
Brain isnt "capable" of computing raw data from nothingness
At best, it combine tons and tons of patterns
And make a new pattern, a new thought

[olive sun]

Bro I told him first to just take matters in ur own hands n beat any 1-2 of them but he's terryied of wht will happen next

[granite hound]

Oh, learning geometry is probably also a good idea, especially since it can be much more visually intuitive than numbers on a page

[untold iron]

draken is right btw i have to contact adult if they are literally threating me

classic turkish students bro they threat to come exit of school to fight

[glossy marlin]

well, abstract algebra requires getting there...

[untold iron]

i got beaten in 5th class i remember it was very bad

[granite hound]

Lol yea, I was just trying to come up with an example of a bad starting point

[untold iron]

I was like crying bro

[olive sun]

If they gone too much then just straight go cops

[west bone]

Oh thats the country i live in

[untold iron]

the fact i ahted myself is i keep everything secret

[untold iron]

srly?

[west bone]

Yeah it sucks

[olive sun]

That's actually isn't so helpful in ur case

[untold iron]

ur right bro

hey i really wanna get better and physique u got any ideas?

[west bone]

I cannot even order something from abroad because it would count as imporrting stuff
But thats politics

[granite hound]

Anyway, SAS7200 you wanna talk more about potential directions to start learning?

Or are you about good for now

[west bone]

That sounds like what chatgpt would ask me end of every convo

[olive sun]

Start goin gym or learn any fighting skills at least it can develop courage in u

[untold iron]

cant go gym at like this age

maybe workouts in home like just doing training things like sit ups

[olive sun]

Then start goin boxing classes

[granite hound]

I have no response for that aside from mild offense lol

[west bone]

Ask your parents for a karate course

[untold iron]

i really asked them

[olive sun]

It wouldn't help so much firstly u have to defeat the fear in u

[west bone]

Eh, was kidding

[olive sun]

Karaktw is usless

[granite hound]

All good lol

[west bone]

Well, yeah

Do you have any better ideas

[granite hound]

Anyway, back to books for me

[olive sun]

Ask them for kickboxing u will be amazed by ur self after mastering it

[untold iron]

whats my fear

[west bone]

Wow

[west bone]

Fighting someone else?

Also whats the exact situation

[untold iron]

i dont really show a effect cuz im scared if i get a punch or kick to very bad areas

[olive sun]

U r afraid of circumstances which can happen to u if u spoke or beat a person in their group

[untold iron]

one of em is strong and gets me head lock in minutes i feel like my neck veins will break

[west bone]

Yeah thats valid

[olive sun]

Wht he's height acc to. U?

[untold iron]

after that my neck hurts

[west bone]

No that wont happen
Your brain always imagine the worst outcome

[untold iron]

2-3 cm longer than me but he is strong

[west bone]

As brain hates unpredictably

[west bone]

Try avoid fighting

[olive sun]

Anyways stay strong

[west bone]

(this is also why humans are obsessive with math)

(They must make uncertainity, certain)

[olive sun]

Bro avoiding fight is best option but doin nothing after getting bullied is worst

[untold iron]

avoid yeah but for them they dont avoid

[west bone]

Its better than ending with head trauma

[untold iron]

i always avoid after that i do a jumpscare attack and run hehe

yall right like bro one of em threated me if i punch ur eyes u would be cooked

[west bone]

Well, avoid them at all costs,
If it comes to self defence is a must, scream, alert others, and uh, depend your eyes

[untold iron]

also ya play DvN?

[olive sun]

Ur scared with that just neck pain? The mental trauma he's passing from years n maybe face in nest few years is worst

[west bone]

Yeah

[untold iron]

bro it always comes good when i talk someone about these situtations

[west bone]

I dont think he fears fighting
He fears getting physical trauma

[untold iron]

i literally feel talking that real humans has civilization

[west bone]

Which is a pretty normal thing

[olive sun]

Yeah ik who will be scared of fighting

[untold iron]

i dont fear fighting i did it and i get scared about physical trauma yeah

[west bone]

Which is a pretty natural thing

[olive sun]

How old r u?

[west bone]

As I dont know
Maybe because fighting doesnt really help survival

[west bone]

18+

[untold iron]

but always escaping aint good we have to know some self defence right?

[olive sun]

But it shows the opposition tht u aren't so weak

[untold iron]

like punching between legs

[west bone]

Ok so
Think of it like
Leopards avoid fights with hyenas

[olive sun]

Yeah u can do it but just in extreme scenarios

[untold iron]

alright

[west bone]

Why? Not because hyenas are stronger than hyenas
Because fighting with a hyena can result in leopard not being abled to hunt for a week or maybe longer

[untold iron]

anyways i literally go school with anger

[west bone]

If thats the last resort, yes

[olive sun]

Yeah leopard avoid fights with hyenas but only when they r in their group, hyenas are scared of leapord in one one fight ..

[untold iron]

i always say what the fuck i will live today in the 7 hour period in between of these bastards

[west bone]

They actually avoid 1v1 too

[untold iron]

i mean kicking

[west bone]

I know

[olive sun]

Who said?

[untold iron]

i dont even say what i will be in future i dont say what i like or shit

[west bone]

Documentary I watched yesterday

[olive sun]

Leopard can takes down a croc in their own waters if he wills too

[untold iron]

like if i say i know pythegoeran theorem idk how to spell if i say it look at your age bro

[west bone]

Yes

[untold iron]

like i love math myself i dont even tell this to em

[west bone]

But
They avoid that

[olive sun]

That's wht I'm saying

[west bone]

Because
They can get hurt

[untold iron]

when i talk to math teacher they always try to say smthng

[west bone]

How so?

[olive sun]

Then try to humiliate them in front of class

[untold iron]

in science c lass we are doing color things a bout white triangle prism color yk it i said for a story there was a golds in end of rainbow they said are u stupid thats not real and teacher said shut uo he said for a story he didnt said lets go dig up

[untold iron]

after that teacher becomes mad to me

even telling answer of questions maybe i think doing that wrong

[untold iron]

like i say fun fact or just say smthng about the lesson

[olive sun]

Bro teachers are also hypocrite ig

[untold iron]

they say okay bro you know so much we get it

hm

anyways i love my math teacher that made everyone celebrate even my enemies for being class 1st i dont flex i show my power against my enemies i dont have any flexing issues or just do this to flex against that peoples grades bad

i only loved it because my enemies celebrated too

dont understand wrong i dont got any issues with people got bad grades it can happen

[olive sun]

Nice

[untold iron]

i had bad grades but i fixed it now

[west bone]

So did you talk about the myth of the irish gold thing

[untold iron]

i asked myself even being hardworking student is a criminal activity?

[west bone]

And they said youre stupid?

[untold iron]

yeah they called me stupid

[olive sun]

Hmm

[west bone]

Solely because explaining the story or

[untold iron]

explaining and telling the myth

[west bone]

Well I guess they presumed "what am I supposed to do with this"

[untold iron]

then science teacher shut them cuz i didnt said it was real she said "what are yall doing he said myth not real"

[untold iron]

tehy ALWYAS LIKE THAT

[west bone]

Are your classmates turkish

[olive sun]

Ig ur more matured mentally than tht bastards

[untold iron]

THEY SAY ISLAND INCIDENT THAT FAMOUS PEOPLE WENT THEY DONT THINK SAME WHEN I SAY THAT THEY DO IT

also bro im not very right too i got some mistakes but bro im literally done with my class

even for 1 dollar i would sell my class event 0.50 smaller cent i would sell