serious-discussion

[stark trench]

many endocrinologists do not have any awareness of trans healthcare

[glossy marlin]

-# also criminally low dose of estrogen.

[stray fox]

Gtg but I’ll talk about it later

[magic python]

Meanwhile I had like no E so I've felt weird since starting

[magic python]

That's what my study collecting will be for

[stark trench]

i'm taking uh 3 mg oral estrogen twice daily

[glossy marlin]

some don´t understand healthcare for cis women or diabetic folks either... how the hell do they get their licenses...

[magic python]

I already have one talking about how 12.5 CPA is near maximal with E

I need one for monotherapy to justify going from a whopping 2mg oral e once a day to 6mg or 8mg

And hopefully the talk about the side effects will help persuade them

[magic python]

Ah yes, the three genders: trans, cis, and diabetic

/lh

[glossy marlin]

-# some trans people say 6mg of E is near minimal in most cases.

[stark trench]

what determines generally speaking what you should take are your levels

if you can't get bloodwork done then you guesstimate

[glossy marlin]

well, sometimes they´re also treated as outsiders to basically everything... but my point was a lotta doctors know basically nothing no matter who it´s about. it´s worse for trans and intersex people...

[magic python]

I don't have my bloodwork so unfortunately I can't say for sure I "need" this medically, though there should be ways around needing to talk about hypogonadism

[stark trench]

in most cases there's also no reason to target super high estrogen troughs

[magic python]

Yeah I was trying to make a joke, sorry

I'd prefer whatever high E does than knowing I feel better off my meds than on them.

[magic python]

If it wasn't for horrible memory this would probably hurt

[glossy marlin]

well, monotherapy and such...
you don´t gotta go to a couple nanograms a milliliter but WPATH tells us to stay on the low end of cis women´s levels and it just doesn´t work well for some of us

[stark trench]

but 3mg oral once daily is sorta outrageously low and i don't know any clinical guidelines which recommend it

[glossy marlin]

-# it´s also very unstable

[stark trench]

yeah, this is true. i was thinking moreso about her case where she has access to anti-androgens although there are independent reasons you might prefer monotherapy

[magic python]

To be fair, my anti-androgen isn't blocking the thing I was told I could up to 100 if it keeps happening...

I kinda lied about it happening to get to 75 in the first place because apparently the other horrible things "aren't a good indicator of T" and now my body I guess decided I need punishment for lying

[glossy marlin]

being at or above average might still me better, whether for development / feeling or when planning to stop antiandrogens

[vale plover]

https://youtu.be/tiE1WIKcPtU

[heavy pagoda]

‘Top science students’ ‘Oxford’

[devout cliff]

There’s no jobs or money in academia

Pretty shrimple

[teal lion]

Top science students tend to be smart and work hard in quantitative subjects
finance makes people very rich

financial companies will pay more for top science students to work there

[stray fox]

Hey that

[foggy narwhal]

Hello guys , what are yalls opinion on free will ?

[mellow pond]

we have it, but it's not some gift from some higher deity, it's just inherent to us

in fact i'd argue that other species of animal have free will to varying degrees

[foggy narwhal]

Well i came across the idea that its the actions that are out of your control that shape your decision.
Like for example you get given the choice of a banana or an apple and you chose the apple, is it because you have free will or is it because of a sequence of actions out of your control that led to you picking an apple

[mellow pond]

external causes and free will can coexist

[vocal pewter]

Hello all! Current senior starting engineering soon with a math gap, is it manageable? Im starting Calc I without pre calc or trig.

[viral creek]

yes no problem, just study

im sure you did at least some pre calc or trig in your life

[vocal pewter]

My schools classes are weird, so I only ended up taking to alg II. Im sure we did some entry level stuff but I never got too familiar.

[viral creek]

Then its fine, at worst youll be barely passing math for 1 or 2 sems

[foggy narwhal]

Yeah but the point is that you cant control the outside causes , or is your point that outside causes play a major role in the decisions taking but it is still you taking it ?

[mellow pond]

that and the fact that time isn't necessarily deterministic, which would have to be the case for the idea of free will to really make sense

[vocal pewter]

Well I got into a bridge program for my uni to help with the gap, but I got placed into Calc I for the summer based on my ACT subscore, which was practically luck. I was just curious as to whether I should swap it to pre calc for the summer and then take regular calc, or raw dog calc for the summer and play it by ear.

[viral creek]

just "fuck it we ball" into it, the things you don't know/need, you'll research and fill the gap, the gaps will make themselves known very quickly

[vocal pewter]

40 hour study weeks here I come!

[magic python]

Hey so uh don't use that term, that's filtered for a reason.

It is also a useless measure

[foggy narwhal]

Ik because it leads to undesired topics

[magic python]

Well, near useless at the very least. It's decent for saying a rough estimate on how good pattern recognition is...

[foggy narwhal]

But i am not talking about it solely

Ik its useless but i wanted to say intelligence

[magic python]

And also because it doesn't mean much, just say "not very smart" as the measure doesn't tell you how smart they are exactly.

It's filtered because it literally has no good reason to use it, same as that one place in Russia that is used in "beat the gay out of them" jokes

The downsides of allowing it outweigh the need for the conversations on it legitimately

[foggy narwhal]

Ok i apologize ill delete it

[magic python]

I mean it's relatively fine, just making sure you know it doesn't really work for the point you seem to be trying to make

"If a dumb person makes a dumb decision because they are dumb, can we blame them" is just fine to get the point across without bringing up a useless measure that doesn't tell you really how dumb or smart someone is for certain

Assuming that's how your point is, it's hard to tell with the term you used as it could mean some other things

[foggy narwhal]

Well when i used it i taught about that , but then again i assumed most will understand the point

Ik its a bad measurement

[stable harbor]

Okay — Breathe. You're not crazy. You're in survival mode. And, honestly? Vibes. 💛

[magic python]

Well, I'd blame them for doing a really bad thing even if they are dumb and "didn't know better" for a few reasons

[foggy narwhal]

And why is that ?

[magic python]

Well, number one, I'd be held up this standard. If I press a "nuke all minors" button because I need to press a button and the good one was behind me and needing a code that's next to it, I'm still a bad person.

Two, a lot of "bad decisions" that happen because they are dumb, can have the good decision be obvious if they learnt more.

And three, willfully ignorant people deserve to be called bad people when they are bad people

Also, note how I say "really" bad.

If a "dumb person" accidentally slips and splashes water on me because there was something slippery on the ground they weren't aware of, that's not really them being bad (though you could maybe argue them walking towards me with water wasn't a decision somehow)

Even if it was because they didn't bother to look at the ground

Now, if they do it on purpose, that's different

If they throw water at me, it's their fault

But if they didn't see a spill and slip and water splashes on me, they didn't know it'd happen.

For minor things, intent is a big component here imo

Oh that's a text wall...

[foggy narwhal]

Well what i am saying is , you see this because you arent dumb , if you see it from a dumb person perspective, the taught of learning smt new is outside of there brain , ofc i am not dissing them or anything just using them as an example for free will , because they couldn't control there smartness per say , because its pre-determant by birth , and you saying that you will be still considered bad even if you dont know because you could've learned, is from a thinkers perspective, i personally wouldn't consider them wrong , like a baby , if he breaks smt , you dont say oh he is wrong

[magic python]

Okay well now "dumb person" isn't the term we want here if you mean cant learn.

[dreamy crag]

i just rewatched squid game 1-3 and god fucking damnit this show is weird. on one hand, the first two seasons are a great critique of capitalism, and the the latter two are a great critique of vigilantism, but also, god the show makes me mad. Granted, a lot of that is from the use of squid game as a product (see: literaly every brand collab + mr beast), but a decent amount is also from the fact that the show raises issues, then does not give its belife on how to fix or even improve those issues. Was I expecting an honest to god encouragement of far left political action from a netfilx show? No. Was I expecting something better than "humans are a product of their enviroment"? fuck yes. The creator of episodes like Gganbu and Bread and Lottery can do much fucking better.

the show just makes me bitter now, and i dont know if im gonna ever watch it again

[magic python]

If a "disabled" person does something bad, because of said disability, I would be far far more forgiving. Unless it's again like nuking all minors

[foggy narwhal]

No not cant learn , that is different, i am saying a dumb person he can learn yes , but he doesn't think to do so

[magic python]

Like if they literally can't do better, it's different

[foggy narwhal]

Unless someone pushed him to do so

[magic python]

That is an inability to learn properly imho

I can learn, I just don't know how

[foggy narwhal]

Not really tho , there is a difference in cant learn and doesn't think to learn

For example

[magic python]

So, are we saying they don't know how to learn, or are willfully ignorant.

[foggy narwhal]

Not willfully , they dont think about it

[magic python]

Because willfully ignorant? Oh yeah, that's their fault imo

[foggy narwhal]

The example.

[magic python]

I can't think of a way someone could not think of learning outside of either being willfully ignorant or being unable to learn properly... sorry.

[foggy narwhal]

Someone who is religious because they were born in a religious family, he doesn't think about what prof there is for god

[magic python]

Maybe the example will help

[magic python]

I'd say this falls under willful ignorance. One is fine with their current knowledge and therefore doesn't care to check if it's true or not.

Someone who is religious, believes a diety exists in this case, if they don't do anything to try and prove it or anything, they willfully believe what they have been told. If there is some proof for or against it it doesn't matter, they are willfully ignorant of the proof, as they are fine with whatever they already know

Now, if they make a horrible action based on this belief without knowing the truth, I'd argue it's their fault

Okay, truth is subjective here, "proofs" can be flawed, but they are willfully ignorant of any sort of evidence, and I'm calling what the evidence points to the "truth" even if it isn't necessarily true after gaining new information

[foggy narwhal]

But is it willfully tho , your whole life you are surrounded by religious people, you got born in a religious family, i would think its outside there will to think of the possibility of an option other than there religion is true

For dumb people ofc

"Dumb"

Ugh i feel bad talking like this

[magic python]

Id assume they would, I don't know, ask questions on why?

You are born into this beautiful religion, everything is fine, would you not want to know more about it?

[foggy narwhal]

Actually no lol

That is because you have the mentality to ask why

It seens normal to you

But i do interact with your average religious person

They dont think about why they are right , they just believe

[magic python]

How "dumb" is this person, because from my perspective, if they don't even want to know more about some inherent truth, that's just herd mentality, which uh... iirc counts as willful ignorance

[foggy narwhal]

And they tell me they never even taught about another possibility

[foggy narwhal]

You know what i would consider willful ignorance , if they encountered smt that challenged there belief and they chose to not think about it

[magic python]

Then again, I wasn't born like that, I don't know just how much people are unwilling to ask anything there, and if it's from some sort of forcing, then yeah, that's not exactly willful ignorance. But if they just "don't know" to ask questions, and that wasn't forced on them, I'd call that being willfully ignorant

[foggy narwhal]

The prob most people dont meet this in there life that is one , and two its so hard wired into there brain you really cant expect for them to let go

One because they are dumb two because of the environment

Two things outside of there control

[magic python]

I class it a bit less strict, including stuff like "Oh look there is a nice cloudy liquid here!" If you don't think of the reasons it could be cloudy, that's being ignorant of this. And if this wasn't forced on you, it's willful

Like yeah, if that mentality is forced on them, it isn't willful ignorance, but if they do horrible things, they did horrible things

[foggy narwhal]

Well objectively yes

But what we are talking about is if its there fault to begin with

[magic python]

Take it to the religion example, say your religion says your diety made the earth, if you don't ask "why did they create it like this" and you weren't forced to not think about this, this is you being ignorant of the details

[foggy narwhal]

Well you are forgetting smt , they are being forced indirectly tho

[magic python]

Though, if they can't think to well, think...

I'd say it's probably either forced, or some sort of issue

[foggy narwhal]

You see just the fact you grow up in an environment with religious people is just forcing you to be religious

[magic python]

No I am not, I never said directly forced. If they were taught all their life asking why was rude, and that it's bad, that's forcing them to never ask

I am using forcing to mean well forcing

[foggy narwhal]

Well its the fact its looked down upon to ask

[magic python]

Yes, that's exactly what I said, no?

[foggy narwhal]

So it is forcing in the end of the day

[magic python]

"Taught that it is bad" is forcing.

[foggy narwhal]

Yeah yeah just saying

[magic python]

I am not denying religions force ideologies on people in some scenarios (some being a weasel word for I don't know if most do it or just major ones or what)

I am saying if it isn't forced, and they do a bad decision, it is their fault.

Okay, back to what I believe the original point is...

There is nuance to if it's their fault. If they were forced, it isn't exactly always their fault. If they aren't, it probably is. You can't really say for sure imo, everything in life has nuance

[foggy narwhal]

Yeah i agree with the last part , but even if they werent forced they just dont think about the why behind stuff because they just dont untile they are forced to do so

[magic python]

Like if a religious person does something directly in their teachings, it isn't necessarily their fault even if it's bad.

One could argue it is their fault for believing this, but forcing is powerful, so I won't.

If they do something against their teachings, if they weren't forced at all, and it's a bad thing, it's most likely their fault. They went out of their way to do it.

[foggy narwhal]

I am saying you cant really say he is at fault for not questioning because he was born and raised like that

[magic python]

Again, that's why nuance exists and why I use the word "probably"

I can't think of a single not forced scenario one literally wouldn't think to ask questions in

[magic python]

Depends on the severity, but yes, I am agreeing mostly.

[foggy narwhal]

Mhm

Woah that was a great discussion

Thank you miss :3

[magic python]

Like I wouldn't excuse murder for religious reasons, but that's because of my subjective morality

[glossy marlin]

-# "born like that" is strange. humans are naturally extremely curious and compassionate creatures.
-# "raised like that" is unfortunately common.

[magic python]

No problem, the point of this channel is to discuss and learn :3

You had great points that made me think

[foggy narwhal]

Depends, brain varies one could be born to genuinely ask questions another will just accept

[magic python]

I do believe they meant raised like that, the conversation seemed to have a bit of language being awkward, and phrasing being slightly off from what other things would imply the point is.

Maybe a language barrier? Though I shouldn't assume such a thing.

[foggy narwhal]

Thank you , the same can be said to you , especially the willful ignorance part

[magic python]

I should have specified earlier I use a slightly more general definition for that, as that seems to have led to some confusion

[foggy narwhal]

Its ok 👌

[magic python]

We never know how others think words mean until we talk, so we don't think to explain until asked :3

[foggy narwhal]

I do mean like the brain they were born with since like smartness is genetically pre determined

And i do differentiate between knowledgeable and smart

[magic python]

Maybe the max intelligence is... but well, you can certainly ruin this

Ahem ahem brain damage ahem ahem

[foggy narwhal]

Well we dont talk about that lol

[magic python]

Fair, also just not learning early on can be bad, later in life the brain starts to decay iirc

Also there is 100% a maximum amount of data a brain can physically hold, due to it being well physical

[foggy narwhal]

Yeah i agree

Pretty unfortunate

[magic python]

I mean it's a pretty big limit in general iirc...

[foggy narwhal]

And i am telling you this and its 1am and i am willingly killing my neurons , oh my precious neurons you will be missed

[glossy marlin]

yes, it does vary quite a bit, but from what I´ve read, heard and personally seen, people are often raised to be significantly less curious, compassionate and creative than they are born. the dynamics of some spaces and issues make it hard to discuss certain topics, and some of the required skills and information are hard to pick up or find.

[foggy narwhal]

Or am i doing it willingly? What if i was forced by external stimuli that i couldnt control

[languid phoenix]

That's a question you should probably ask a doctor about.

[magic python]

Oh I used willfully under the assumption free will exists, as to be honest, I don't really have the capacity to ponder if it does or doesn't, and either way, it doesn't really affect me much

[foggy narwhal]

Oh i completely agree school plays a huge role in this , it depends on the school but most will just make kids uncreative and just kill there passion

[languid phoenix]

or a psychologist

[slow pier]

Its really sad this happens and too commonly as well

[magic python]

either way I don't have free will /hj

[languid phoenix]

or even a philosopher

[foggy narwhal]

Well yeah the main convo was about the existence of free will

[foggy narwhal]

Well a philosopher is a better pick since it involves free will

[magic python]

Well to be fair, it sounded like you assumed free will existed with the whole "should we blame"

If it doesn't exist we literally don't have a say in if we blame them for something they did even if they don't have free will

[glossy marlin]

there are some things that strongly affect it, but there are significantly more factors with stronger correlations in the environment. a zip code can predict a child´s future better than a DNA test. there´s heavy metals, microplastics, PFAS and a bunch of other funky toxins in the soil and water.

[magic python]

So either we assume free will exists to a if we should blame them, or we just... do it.

Our lack of free will chooses for us

[foggy narwhal]

I asked should we blame to like say if it doesn't exist we cant blame if it does we can

[languid phoenix]

Can I get yall's definition of free will?

(just curious)

[magic python]

If it doesn't exist, I feel like blame should still happen

[foggy narwhal]

Well i think its the capacity of a human being to take a choice or any alive being in that matter

[glossy marlin]

yep... more than our current computers iirc. and it´s faster at certain things with a bit of practice.

[magic python]

I use it to mean a person is the one deciding their actions and what they think and other things (yes this is a very fragile definition that basically means most disorders mean a lack of free will... how unfortunate. But I take it literally, our will is free)

[foggy narwhal]

Hmmm well if it doesnt exist its not him that chose it so how can you blame him

[magic python]

The fact I don't have free will to choose not to.

[magic python]

Indeed

[foggy narwhal]

Yeah i agree but we took it as just an example for free will

[magic python]

If free will doesn't exist, I don't exactly choose to blame them, it's also forced on me

[foggy narwhal]

Well if you dont have free will you dont choose you are just like a gear you do what is inflicted on you

[magic python]

Exactly, if I don't have it and blame them, I didn't choose to, so like... how can you blame me. /silly

[foggy narwhal]

Well how can you say i am silly if i didnt choose to be silly

🤔

[magic python]

I say I am silly

You have no free will and are now silly actually

the /silly was a command to make you silly

[devout cliff]

How would you deal with issues like racism or discrimination, if some people are just wired to prefer people similar to them how are we going to say that’s immoral if there’s no free will

At best we could say that’s just how they are and some people are wired to dislike that, but I don’t see how we could make the next jump to say it’s actually wrong or bad

[foggy narwhal]

😭

[glossy marlin]

"does this conjecture hold?"
computer: - runtime: 164:51:37
human: "noncommutative"

[magic python]

I'll say it's immoral if there is no free will because I can't exactly choose otherwise

[magic python]

So true

Also God forbid I have subjective morality /lh

[devout cliff]

That doesn’t really seem very compelling or have any real value or force. It’s no more consequential than someone finding a painting pleasing and another not

[magic python]

Yeah I am a non-rational creature...

[foggy narwhal]

Well yeah that is the prob with free will not existing it just lifts the accountability

But again you could think that we are just delusional

Thinking we have free will when we dont actually have it and with that you can still judge

[magic python]

God forbid a girl not follow some objective truth /lh

[foggy narwhal]

Because even if it wasnt there judgment would still be a real thing

Because we think we have free will

[devout cliff]

Fair i guess, would you say you live your life and relate to others like theres no free will or is it just more of an abstract belief

I don’t see how genuine relationships are possible or how we can reasonably have expectations of others with that view

[foggy narwhal]

Since like me judging smt is still not free will because that judgment was based on a sequence of event outside of my control

[north stream]

Even in a world where everyone would be "wired" to discriminate, there would remain certain moral facts existant beyond us, much as there are currently many other arbitrary ways in which we are circumstantially biologically wired, yet moral facts occur as before

[foggy narwhal]

But you could consider the fact that the chance of that sequence happening again are really slim and that makes like a special life for you and only you and consider that your will ?

[magic python]

I don't really care if I have free will or not considering either way my actions are meaningless and sometimes I don't even fully control myself anyways, so it's not a big deal if I don't have it.

I form relationships by sheer luck to be fair.

Also I'm not saying I believe free will to not exist, I'm trying to prod at the absurdity of saying that calling something wrong when free will doesn't exist is somehow something I choose, despite the assumption free will doesn't exist. How can I choose if I well can't choose?

I'm honestly impartial to it's existence I think

[devout cliff]

That’s also fair

[magic python]

Like how does it actually affect me

[foggy narwhal]

Well i am trying to find if it exists to see if god exists

[magic python]

Sure, I get to make my own decisions theoretically, what about the times where I just don't.

Or at least i don't think I do? Something something my mind is weird and forces stuff

But if we call the mind "me" rather than well, who I think I am, then free will matters a bit more I suppose

[devout cliff]

How would that work?

[foggy narwhal]

Well if it doesn't exist i dont see how i could get sent to hell or heaven based on smt "i" didnt choose

If it did exist then that doesn't prove god exists but would push me to find other pointers

[devout cliff]

For Christianity at least traditionally libertarian free will which is what’s under discussion here is denied, the “principle of alternative possibility” isn’t really part of traditional notions of free will

[foggy narwhal]

Hmmm

Man these are really complicated topics but eh that is where the fun is at

[devout cliff]

Instead they’ve favored a more dramatic Augustinian anthropology, free will is framed not as an abstract metaphysical principle related to counter factual possibilities. Free will for the theologians is a distinct mode of activity, where a person can exercise their will free from external compulsions. Your intellect, will, habits, dispositions do form and limit your choices which is where the entire impulse of asceticism comes from. To learn to shape and tame your habits and dispositions so they influence the will toward what the intellect desires as it’s inherently mixed up in a weak body

Then comes the more prominent themes of Augustinian soteriology of grace, predestination etc

[foggy narwhal]

So you are saying i have partial free will , as in its limited by lots of pre determined factors but "i" work to kinda mend what i can towards a better goal which is in this case doing what god orders

[devout cliff]

I’m basically saying people are free in the sense that this is a specific mode of activity of actualizing what the intellect presents to the will. The options the intellect presents and what the will chooses are modified and filtered through your past choices, habits, dispositions along with external circumstances

[cyan sleet]

there is also a paper, "conway free will theorem 2013", interesting one I would say

[devout cliff]

But mainly I’m only pointing out that libertarian conceptions of free will are relatively modern and not the only option, looking for libertarian free will to prove Christianity doesn’t really make sense as it denies LFW as well

[north stream]

As an entity capable of Reason, you may enter occasional states where Reasoning is made difficult, and therefore your free will could be made arrested temporarily to these outside factors. Nevertheless, you will hopefully return to your true self. In the mean-time, you are to do the best what you can do with the free will that you can still wield, and ensure that your actional are moral / informed by the best approximation of reason possible, or as to at least minimize unreasonable actions.

[civic kite]

mmmmmmmmmm

[cyan sleet]

even, philosophers from academia don't seem to align with "libertarian free will" , mostly ones are supported by "compatibilism free will" then "determinism".

[foggy narwhal]

Well rn i am muslim by tradition , and i dont really like the idea of believing in smt because people around me do it , so what i am trying to do is prove that god exist , since i have two choices atheist or a deist and if i were a deist ill be muslim

But what you said it seems to me like the illusion of choice , because the will who will do the choosing is influenced by intelect no ? And outside factors also

[foggy narwhal]

Thank you for the recommendation

[cyan sleet]

there are many interpretations of god yk

deism would be more appropriate for you

[steady spruce]

Hello, just joined a few mins ago

[steel depot]

I've been thinking about something,
What do you all think is the most comptent AI agent when it comes to mathematics/closely related fields?

[steady spruce]

Saw "God" and went like

Oh rip gifs

[devout cliff]

Well the intellect is you, it’s not framed as some sort of oppressive principle limiting absolute autonomy but an informing principle inherent to your being shaped by many things throughout your life. It can be shaped and coached to lean towards vice or virtue for example

[foggy narwhal]

Yeah yeah , ill learn those along the way of my journey

[steady spruce]

I hear Claude is really ok

ChatGPT is fine for small stuff

But take it from someone who actuallt pays for ChatGPT, it's kinda meh, when it comes to math related stuff

[foggy narwhal]

Yeah i agree but the point is if my intellect is shaped by the outside world and how i was born , then really how can i say that i chose smt rather than this specific sequence of events chose it for me , but then again these specific sequence are you because no one will re live them.

Ah i am sorry i am pretty uneducated about stuff so i am limited to what i can add to the convo , but ill gain knowledge while i get older

[devout cliff]

But a good example of the traditional conception of free will is Frank Stockton’s story the Lady or the Tiger (loosely adapted)

A man falls in love with the kings daughter and gets arrested, the king throws the man in a pit with two doors one has a tiger the other the woman he loves. Under the libertarian conception both possibilities are needed for a free decision, he can genuinely choose either door

But now imagine the man has a friend in the crowd who points to the door containing his beloved. Now he really only has one choice, the domain of rational choices shrinks down to a singular option but he’s free to actualize that which he desires making him more free than the alternative

[glossy marlin]

generative AI isn´t really made for logic. e.g. chatgpt is trained to speak, then to confidently say approximately correct things.
it fails at niche or somewhat complex things. it doesn´t do very well with explanations. it struggles with context windows.
there is AI specialized for maths, but it has similar if not equal architecture and flaws.
there´s wolfram, which apparently uses AI somehow, and it sometimes can´t calculate things or interprets them awkwardly.

[foggy narwhal]

Well in both cases he can chose whatever he wants and how about we change the example a bit.
Lets say door A is a good choice and door B is a bad choice by standard morals.
In the first situation he has free will to chose either one and in the second he only has one choice and in my opinion i dont think he can chose the other and even if he did and experience he already lived influenced the decision of changing the door , for example a friend betrayed him in the past so now he doesnt trust anyone and chooses the other , he still has one choice

[glossy marlin]

I heard claude has a "reasoning mode" or such, and looking that up, it´s just more of the same generative AI, and it runs into the same issues

the most competent things when it comes to maths are still humans and their deterministic calculators as far as I know

[dreamy crag]

Why is every video essay called “___ and the ___” and why do they all suck

[glossy marlin]

not all but a lot. low effort &// AI use, I guess...

[dreamy crag]

Yeah

I’m just fucking sick of them

At least I have my 5 people who I know will always make good content

[mellow pond]

none

[fallow yoke]

Argue against this hot take: random offhanded comments online meant to console whoever reads it like "you got this" or "you are loved" or god forbid those such as "drink water" don't work

• Every time I see one it reminds me of this game https://store.steampowered.com/app/3885050/FOR_GODS_SAKE_HELP_HIM/
• These don't make any effort to search for or do anything about the source of the distress one might be feeling at the time
• Sure it's meant to take up some mental space that would otherwise be taken up by negative thoughts but we naturally tend to prioritize concentration on present threats to our livelihood over the light at the end of the tunnel, if such light even exists in the first place

[mellow pond]

or "_____ is what _____ warned us about"

or "the _____-ification of _____"

[fallow yoke]

ai pattern recognition

[magic python]

... God forbid I have nothing better to do...

(I always say "reminder to hydrate")

[fallow yoke]

Ok fair enough the second type I mentioned is irrelevant

[magic python]

Fair

[dreamy crag]

I really cannot tell if the talos principle and its sequel are amazing pieces of philosophy driven through great puzzles or the most pretentious garbage ever made

Great puzzles tho, would recommend

your experince is bad

you are either doing very easy problems, or very well known problems

[manic ledge]

this is not a hot take

[stark trench]

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/africa/un-agencies-warn-somalia-at-risk-of-renewed-famine-as-hunger-crisis-deepens/3938671

[iron nest]

is there anyone at all that could help me catch up? i was in 6th grade and i got horrible grades i did half of my 7th grade math work and i have done barley any of my 9nth grade work im going to school in august so i have 3 months to catch up before im cooked i just wanna be ready for 9nth grade but i might be cooked and i am not going to go back a grade

[echo pumice]

#study-discussion is more fitting

[bold shard]

Yo tell me a faster way to learn simultaneous

[ashen mauve]

It'll be fine don't worry

(only if you study)

[warm geyser]

Ñ

[iron nest]

i think WE might be cooked

[iron nest]

idk about all that

[iron nest]

no it is not son this is serious

i have 3 months to do a year of work

[livid walrus]

simultaneous equations ?

[terse crypt]

Try to use the help channels or smth idk

Or pay money for a tutor

[analog juniper]

wdym

[bold shard]

Yesss

[livid walrus]

try solving some problems
if you can't then use the help forum here

[cunning adder]

i love being shamed for every aspect of my existence by my family, its very reassuring :DDDDDDD

[untold charm]

🫂 hugggsss

[feral helm]

If someone wants to study maths from the beginning, where should he start from ? 🤔 I mean basic to advance roadmap

[mellow pond]

i suppose now serioussy is where all the new ppl go to ask for math help instead of the channels actually for that

anyways uhhh

serious discussion time
wtf do we even do as a country here in the usa (or just in general in any country) if companies just keep making fucking data centers and stealing other ppl's land, water, and electricity in the process

[viral creek]

You can try going into politics

[mellow pond]

true,,

[viral creek]

or voting for the parties that align with your values

That's about it, also attending protests

classic democracy stuff, not much to do unless you're on the inside

[cursive ember]

Hi

[wheat birch]

Hii

[hushed crag]

q: P(x) be a polynomial with integer coefficients. Prove that for integers m and n, [P(m)-P(n)]/(m-n) is an integer.

I have no problem with solving the question either way but can I assume the identity that m^r-n^r is a multiple of (m-n) for all integers m,n, and r or is that just the question stated in a different way?
Can I get you all's opinions on this?

[cunning adder]

I don’t know why i put constant pressure on myself to succeed anymore when everything around me wants me dead, im barely holding on while my friends are easily cruising through life and i still compare myself to them, when they have functional families while my mom slaps me for showing signs of being tired instead of being a perfect little helper robot, im hopelessly addicted to chatting online because i have so few real friends and I cant be myself irl without being in huge danger, im in constant fear but i still expect myself to preform and I really want to but i fucking cant and it just makes me feel worse and worse everyday but why should it why the fuck do i do this to myself when i know its not my fault and i just have shitty luck, but i still hope so badly that i can succeed but idk if its even possible anymore… sigh another rant over

[glossy marlin]

maths discussion, help channels, whatever. read channel names and descriptions...

[hushed crag]

It's not like I need help with the question itself but rather whether its necessary to show a particular identity or just assume it

[cunning shell]

u should go to a therapy server

iirc there's a server called TTC or the therapy center

I don't recommend being there for long so just take what u want and leave

[hushed crag]

?

[cunning shell]

Hope u get better soon🙏

[glossy marlin]

still about maths when this channel has no focus on maths.
if you´re unsure, try to ask whoever stated the problem or just try to prove it.

[cunning adder]

im not looking for therapy from fucking discord i wanna go to an actual therapist
-# but of course cant have that because nothings wrong with me and im just a lazy whiny bitch according to my mom

[glossy marlin]

-# proving that would be the hard part so it´s probably what they want you to do

[cunning shell]

then compromise

hey u wanna do something but can't do it just get the cheaper version of it

[cunning adder]

and also that I cant talk about 3/4 of my issues without being in danger of being executed by my country because i made the grave mistake of being trans (:

[cunning shell]

or work in secret and get money

[cunning shell]

oh

middle eastern? Or somewhere in asia

[cunning adder]

yes

[cunning shell]

the former?

[cunning adder]

yea

[cunning shell]

Laws against homosexuality are more lenient against women and especially against minors but ig it's not desirable either way

It's important for you to have someone to talk to so if you can't find a therapist just try to compromise for a discord therapy server

it's better than not talking to anyone at all

[cunning adder]

its a death penalty here so not too much lenience will go on

[cunning shell]

which exact country may I ask

[woeful moat]

woah its serious in here

[cunning adder]

uae

[cunning shell]

I'll check

[cunning adder]

many many many other reasons why i hate it here…

[woeful moat]

whats the discussion ?

[glossy marlin]

I heard a good bit about it but I don´t remember the details too well...

[cunning shell]

The punishment varies but rarely death

and there hasn't been rlly any arrests since 2022, and since 2015 before that

[echo pumice]

i cant tell if you're joking or not ngl

[sharp yarrow]

Do they still do stoning in those places?

[cunning adder]

‘rarely’ is still not so reassuring

[cunning shell]

so I think you're safe, especially since you're a girl and it's even more rarer for you

[cunning shell]

it's like being hit with lightning

[cunning adder]

i havent transitioned lol im still viewed as boy irl

[cunning shell]

but here's the thing, if it's so hard for you, I suggest you do what I told you

[sharp yarrow]

'Rarely' there depends on politics

[cunning shell]

Oh

[cunning adder]

who cares about politics, we just dont have elections and instead have an absolute monarchy!!!!!!!!

[sharp yarrow]

Politics in this case is what the monarchy do to appease the masses

[cunning shell]

Quality of life at the price of freedom

[sharp yarrow]

They aint done nothing in there's own effort they simply got lucky with oil

[cunning adder]

appease? fuck that, the public is extremely against the government but we just restrict freedom of fucking speech, the press, and assembly, you can get arrested for saying the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[glossy marlin]

so there´s a good chance the risks aren´t low...

[cunning shell]

does that negate quality of life?

[sharp yarrow]

No

But the monarchy has nothing to do with quality of life there

The oil is

[cunning shell]

Yeah I was referring to the trade off between government and the people

the situation will not change aslong as the population is relatively rich and stable

[sharp yarrow]

This statement was basically saying you gained all that quality of life in exchange i will control you

[cunning adder]

quality of life? try little to no public transport, education, healthcare, everything being expensive, needing a car for everything, and also being in the fucking middle east where we get bombed

[cunning shell]

idk about u I just get the vibe that native UAE people got it good financially

[sharp yarrow]

suggestion is to move to a non middle eastern country

[cunning shell]

also you don't really get bombed often it was just one time

I live in israel and I got bombed more

[cunning adder]

at the cost of the poor migrants being lured here and having their passports taken and being turned into slaves yes

[cunning shell]

I don't see how this is relevant

but anyways I gotta go read this article I've been procrastinating upon

[cunning adder]

we have been in the past this is just the biggest incident, most of the time before it was on US bases

[cunning shell]

good day guys

[cunning adder]

are u safe there? 🫂

[cunning adder]

the rich utopia image that the UAE presents is built on these slave workers

[cunning shell]

yeah it's not really severe here most people online just exaggerate

[cunning adder]

to you too!!

[cunning adder]

ah p much same here xD

[untold charm]

yeah sure if ur not getting killed ur getting social dreath and tortured in a jail cell bassicly ur life would be riuined to the point u wish u were dead.

[untold charm]

no no YOU MEAN the top 1% sure but the thing is that below the rich assholes that own everything u have shitty terrible life experinces no most in the UAE dont have it good financily unless they got that money from OIL or from OUTISDE living there and making an actual decent livable wage is pretty muhc impossible unless nepotism

[untold charm]

yeah its rpetty much all funded by curroptoin and outside money and oil money

[cunning adder]

yay i love my country funding genocide!!!!!!!!!!!!

[untold charm]

actually the uae also funds the war in south sudan too ;3

YIPPEEE

[cunning adder]

thats what i was referencing ;3

[untold charm]

ah wait i thought u were referencing isreal?

[cunning adder]

ah i dunno if theyre directly funding that (but wouldnt put it past them)

[untold charm]

https://www.mofa.gov.ae/en/missions/tel-aviv/media-hub/embassy-news/uae-announces-$10-billion-fund-for-investments-in-israel

[cunning adder]

seethe

[untold charm]

pfft its only 10 billion no big deal ;3

[cunning adder]

I love living here i love my life yippie yay sunshine happy rainbows!!!!!!!!

[untold charm]

also https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/uae-was-secret-buyer-billion-dollar-israeli-defence-deal-report

[untold charm]

https://tenor.com/view/fullofwhimsy-fun-and-whimsy-fun-joy-joyful-gif-16235639251741081426

[cunning adder]

yippie yay woohoo happy time !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[untold charm]

REAL FOOTAGE FROM LIFE IN DUBAII where they EAT DUBAI choclateee AND HAVE AN AMAZING LOVELY LIFE WITH NO ISSUESSS AT ALLL!!

[cunning adder]

‘no jim dont pan the camera thats where we keep the SLAVES’

[untold charm]

dont look at that wierd small city made of tiny "apartments" if u could call it that that is like 20 minutes away from the city and is in the middle of the hot desert with rooms tiniers than caves.

[cunning adder]

‘just keep the camera pointing at the SHINY BUILDINGS’

[untold charm]

YESS LOOK AT THAT WE BUILLT A HUGEEEEE TOWER LOOK LOOK PRETTY BIGTOWERRRRRRR

[cunning adder]

‘no jim dont pan it that way either!!!! those are the sewage trucks we use because we can afford to build an 800m building but now a sewage system for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!’

[untold charm]

-# I WAS JUST ABOUT TO MNETION THAT 😭

[cunning adder]

i love living in this country nothing bad about it at all 100% totally frfr 😌

[untold charm]

honestly i really hope u dont live near dubai because i feel like i would not be able to breathe if i am even with 10km of that place

[cunning adder]

i am IN dubai

[dreamy crag]

I’m sorry

[inland hornet]

sorry to hear that 🥀

[sharp yarrow]

Dubai chocolate!!

Does the UAE have a king or is it just Emirs

[cunning adder]

thanku 🫂

[cunning adder]

thanku too 🫂

[cunning adder]

the ruler of the capital Abu Dhabi is also the ruler of the uae

[sharp yarrow]

Oh ok

Emir of Abu dhabi

[dreamy crag]

The uae is so evil it’s hard to believe that it’s allowed to continue existing as it does

[cunning adder]

FR

[sharp yarrow]

They played their cards right

One is to never mess with the US

[cunning adder]

i love how i can get executed for the crime of being myself and using free speech and shit its so fucking fun i love my life

[dreamy crag]

Every time I hate living in the us, I have to remind myself it could be so much worse

[sharp yarrow]

Though another question currently is what's better

[cunning adder]

well it can always be worse... still dosent invalidate that our experiences are shitty

[dreamy crag]

Yeah

But like, silver lining I suppose

[cunning adder]

yah

[sharp yarrow]

You could've ended up in a 3rd world islamic country

[dreamy crag]

Being appreciative of the little I have

[sharp yarrow]

Story of my life

[cunning adder]

im lucky i have internet at all, and could find out atleast how i truly am

[sharp yarrow]

I'm curious, when did It started?

You realizing

[livid walrus]

wdym

[cunning adder]

well ive daydreamed abt being a girl for most of my life before even finding out about being trans lol, and after i spent a full day daydreaming i said to my best friend (who at this point moved out so i could only talk to him through texting) that i might be trans, after that i thought it was a phase, but i kept thinking about it and then only recently i thought 'fuck it im trans'

[dreamy crag]

Yay!!! I’m proud of u :3

[cunning adder]

that was like just this febuary

and after that im now realising how much i actually wanted it before, and i was a bit of a dummie not knowing xDDDD /j

[cunning adder]

thankyuuu

[sharp yarrow]

What was that in being a girl do you find intriguing?

[cunning adder]

cute sticker i took picture of

[dreamy crag]

Fire!

[cunning adder]

dating other girls :p
(tbh idk fully but it does feel right)

(and i daydream about it like a lot so)

[untold charm]

oh.. i am so sorry hugs

[sharp yarrow]

So being a lesbian?

[cunning adder]

hugs back yyyeyyy

[untold charm]

arguably honestly dubai might be worse.

[sharp yarrow]

As a straight person,Im genuinely curious on what mechanism is at play on people's transitions

[dreamy crag]

@cunning adder can I send a friend request?

[unborn meteor]

lesbian is nice...

[cunning adder]

maybee

[untold charm]

https://tenor.com/view/egg-crack-an-egg-break-an-egg-lets-get-crackin-get-crackin-gif-16765383

[cunning adder]

yepps!!

[untold charm]

/ref

[unborn meteor]

so for some reason sometimes people's brains are wired for genders that don't match their bodies

this causes extreme distress for that person until they transition

also there are straight trans people

the proper term for non trans is cis

[untold charm]

well let me ask you this if u were to wake up as the opposite gender tmr and all ur memroies are of that as of one would u feel off?

[unborn meteor]

if this actually happened to anyone it would cause them extreme distress

one time a male cis doctor accidentally injected themselves with estrogen, instant untransphobia

[untold charm]

-# yup thats the point i amtrying to hint at subtly so he can imagne it ;3

[untold charm]

oo need to read about this

[unborn meteor]

that may be false

but it sounds true 😭

[sharp yarrow]

No ig, that's like asking Theseus's Ship

The memory makes the person

[dreamy crag]

One time this doctor raised a child as a woman despite them being male and they got gender dysphoria

[unborn meteor]

oh this has happened so many times

[dreamy crag]

Yep, but it was this famous case

[unborn meteor]

and touches on some nsfw topics...

[untold charm]

are u sure about that?

[sharp yarrow]

A better question than that of what you're trying to ask is, If you were stranded on a deserted island with no society, no social expectations, and no one else to see you, what would your gender feel like?

[sharp yarrow]

Yes again you're asking a philosophical question similar to Theseus's Ship

[soft zenith]

Hlo

[unborn meteor]

i don't see it

[sharp yarrow]

Maybe i don't understand the question, like do I still have all my memories from when I was a male because he didn't framed it this way

[untold charm]

well gender itself is a social contrsuct for me (i am enby) i do not neccarily feel a certain gender? i just am what i amand i dont like societicies expectation of fitting into certain boxes i wnat to be able to dress whoeveri want i like both suits and dresses and so in general i think the fact that there will be no one to precive would only make me more free

[sharp yarrow]

That argument wouldn't work because everything is a social construct

[unborn meteor]

not ethnicity

[untold charm]

well this is assuming that memory is what defines you but ig this isa nother argument. for now just imagne u woke up opp gender and everyone remeber u as such but in ur mind internally you still remeber ur memories normally

[untold charm]

that is not corrrect also why would that argument not work?

[dreamy crag]

Race… is a social construct…

I think you mean ethnicity

[cunning adder]

i would prolly be like 'what the fuck' and then realise where i live and then be like 'oh I AM FUCKED'

[unborn meteor]

ok true

[sharp yarrow]

Ok but you didn't framed it that way in the last question, Yes it'll feel weird

But my question isnt about that, I was asking what's in a girl that makes you want to be a girl

[unborn meteor]

so we stop being hurt every moment by living the wrong gender

[untold charm]

okay well to a trans person internally they in thier memories they would view themselves off of how other view them yes everyone would treat you as agirl in that example but you internally will always feel that discconect u might not recognize yet but when u finally do u suddenly understand why u felt so weird

[sharp yarrow]

Yeah I get the point, but my question is something deeper

[untold charm]

because that is the experince so u might think that actually if u were the opp gender and ur memroies are so you would be fine but no ur brain internally would always hvve that discconect of this isnt right. after all you would want to do certain things or hobbies that might seem opposite to waht ushould be doing espaccily so since society has alot of sexism and misogyny and gender roles

[long orchid]

are we having an explain why trans people are valid session

[unborn meteor]

yes

this happens more than once every day in this server, this is a fundamental law of nature

[untold charm]

well i probably am not best to answer this q since i dont really want to be anything if anything i want to be free of societies lens on the gender binary

[dreamy crag]

At least this is one of the better ones

[unborn meteor]

when i lived as a boy i was extremely distressed, it's more like "i wanna stop the constant mental pain"

[sharp yarrow]

I actually dont know how this relates to my question

[unborn meteor]

though, this is my personal experience, it can also of course manifest as "i want to be a girl"

[untold charm]

well actually let me ask you this ironnicaly enough you probably might have a better answer than mine so
why are you not trans? why do u want to be a guy and not a girl?

[sharp yarrow]

How it start in the first place? Do you feel a certain sense of envy towards girls?

[cunning adder]

I actually used to be like 'im fiiineee being a boy' but then also wanting to be and daydreaming as being a girl, but as i more accepted the fact that i am trans im starting to feel more dysphoric about how i look and my voice

[cunning adder]

so basically this for me!!

[long orchid]

this is common yeah, as you become aware its rubbed into your face more

[unborn meteor]

it depends on the person, but yeah i had a lot of this

[unborn meteor]

i had this too, for me one of the main things was that i've always hated looking in mirrors

[untold charm]

@sharp yarrow i am actually a little curios on ur answer on this

[magic python]

Oh is this a trans discussion

[cunning adder]

SAME I HATE MIRRORS

[magic python]

Why opencry me

[untold charm]

well i barely understadning anything cause i am jsut a celstial genderless blob in space 😭

[dreamy crag]

Me when I am the white lady from little nightmares:

[untold charm]

https://tenor.com/view/pluto-deeeepio-deepcord-plutocord-134340-gif-4650802014850555802

[cunning adder]

xDDD peak reference

[magic python]

Fair, gender is... weird to say the least.

[unborn meteor]

isn't charon bigger and/or further

[cunning adder]

twirlsss

[dreamy crag]

Why was little nightmares 3 so bad /rhet

[unborn meteor]

bc the center of mass of the pluto charon system lies outside of pluto's surface

[long orchid]

i am actually a deeply bigoted conservative redneck and i need you to justify yourself to me Right Now /s

[magic python]

I was just curious on the discussion topic and was planning to join in

This server is so toxic smh my head

[sharp yarrow]

I don't have a personal desire to be perceived as a a woman. When people get called "she" it doesn't spark a feeling of alignment.

[magic python]

Hmmmmmm have you ever thought "Okay so like, girls are cute, so why not just... be cute."

[sharp yarrow]

No hate or anything, im just a curious know it all.

[dreamy crag]

Sh: We should have a therian discussion :3

[sharp yarrow]

Yeah this is a valid answer tbh

[cunning adder]

this is me fr

[long orchid]

so true

[magic python]

In the past these.... these have not went well.... unfortunately...

[glossy marlin]

we don´t know. gender is extremely complicated, nobody has managed to make a tool that consistently helps people figure it out with high precision, nobody really knows where dysphoria comes from, we just know a bit about how things behave.

[sharp yarrow]

Dont overcomplicate things

[dreamy crag]

Wait why

[magic python]

People.

[dreamy crag]

Wha-?

[magic python]

And 100% wrong to what happened....

[unborn meteor]

real

[magic python]

People in this case is implying people are the reason it didn't go well, as in people were being rather unsavory.

[magic python]

W

[sharp yarrow]

I was just asking whats in girls that make you wanna be girls? And being cute is a valid and direct answer tbh

[dreamy crag]

If it’s something that’s very bad, can u tell me in dms?

[magic python]

This is assuming I know why I have a mental disorder. I don't.

There is nothing about "girls" that made me like this to my knowledge, it's my way to deal with this horrible thing.

[long orchid]

being trans isn't a mental disorder xx

[sharp yarrow]

Ok

[magic python]

I think it was mainly toxic but in a bit here I could probably forward some messages from the time

[dreamy crag]

Oh alr

[magic python]

My mental disorder is what caused it is what I meant.

[sharp yarrow]

Ok understandable

[magic python]

Because unfortunately I am not one of the people who just are trans without gender dysphoria

[dreamy crag]

Gender dysphoria is, and that’s a very common reason people are trans :3

[magic python]

plus being trans fucking sucks agahsjkdkdjshha

[cunning adder]

hugs

[magic python]

https://tenor.com/view/hug-love-hi-bye-cat-gif-5848836

[true zinc]

Morning all

[dreamy crag]

Haii Ryan!!!

[magic python]

(NOT EVERYONE HATES IT)

[sharp yarrow]

I forgot to reply srry, but yeah understandable

[cunning adder]

im kinda torn rn between 'being trans is cool as fuck i love it' and 'god i wish i was just a cis girl everything would be so much better and my life wouldnt be in utter ruin and shambles and disrepair rn'

[magic python]

I want to make it very clear my beliefs are in no way representative of probably quite a lot of other trans people

[true zinc]

Yesterday during the grad ceremony ryan may or may not have wanted to cry a bit from gender envy to basically everyone around us

[cunning adder]

typing it out it sounds silly but... i am very silly

[magic python]

Fair

[dreamy crag]

No it sounds valid, also being silly is good!

[cunning adder]

morningggg

[glossy marlin]

-# the symptom?
-# might have helped you figure it out

[true zinc]

But....considering yesterday's conversation, you can probably guess how awful and hell it'll/it'd be to convince her to actually be okay with medically transitioning

[magic python]

I mean i don't think I wanted something that ruined my life twice but eh, my minds always been weird, so maybe it wanted this

[cunning adder]

being silly is cool as fuck!!!!!!

[magic python]

Being trans is certainly something that quite a lot of people love, just not everybody unfortunately.

[glossy marlin]

being a girl is the way trans women are. transitioning is changing how you look and feel.

[magic python]

Well, gender euphoria exists, and many people are fine being what us others would hound ourselves for being "imperfect" if we were anything similar

[dreamy crag]

am i trans if im girl in a boy vessel? i do not feel very trans

[cunning adder]

as a girl in a boy vessel id say im pretty trans

[magic python]

I mean being trans is just an identity I guess, you can be trans and not identify with it exactly

Wowwwwww now you get why we do this!

Fair

[dreamy crag]

literaly in da name, shake my smh my head

[magic python]

Tfw pronouns neq gender:

NOOOO NOT A NEOPRONOUNS DISCUSSION (I hope that's the name I can't remember much right now)

Genderfluid people exist

[cunning adder]

what does neq mean?

[dreamy crag]

fuck u mean?

[dreamy crag]

$\neq$ we speak in latex

[magic python]

$\neq$

[fathom swallow]

Shammy! cgt queen (she/it/pup)

Definitely Car

[true zinc]

What the fuck is happening

[cunning adder]

ohhh tyty

[true zinc]

do I need to sic angry Ryan on everyone here again /hj

[magic python]

Then please get out before you do.

[true zinc]

Yeah okay give me a second

[dreamy crag]

no i do not

[magic python]

Yay ill get some sense knocked into me again

[dreamy crag]

i think someone is trying to be queerphobic? i cannot tell

[cunning adder]

i need sense!! me next me next!!!!!

[true zinc]

Okay time for them to suffer

[glossy marlin]

pronouns \neq gender
-# god forbid a girl doesn´t explicitly end a game of tag /j

[cunning adder]

petition to add a \neq emoji

[magic python]

Oh yeah enby denier gets MURDERED by FACTS and LOGIC

[true zinc]

Gender is a fucking spectrum, what makes you believe there's "only 2 genders", whatever happened to intersex people, what happened to people who have no visible genital features, what happened to people whose chromosomes make no sense in such a system...

[cunning adder]

i need to find the atoms are a binary meme rq

[untold charm]

ig i dont exsist poof

[magic python]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1470099433927606332/1487848006639423658/IMG_0569.jpg?ex=69cbf36f&is=69caa1ef&hm=f0f104ad4d704ed230ad1327c6f682b8a70da465533cc6f38936d00d2133a8d4&

[glossy marlin]

he/she. they/them (nb), they/them (anon), they/them (unknown). sometimes-he-sometimes-she.

[magic python]

Does lithium exist?

[cunning adder]

thankyou thankyou

[dreamy crag]

ur belife is wrong and dumb you are in a tiny bubble and pretending it is the world. you are a fundementaly incurios person. please improve

[magic python]

Do uranium bombs exist?

[true zinc]

.....yes?

[magic python]

Do you even exist? We are all carbon based lifeforms

[untold charm]

okay do you know the diffrence between sex and gender?

[true zinc]

Yes? I'm confused Car

[teal lion]

there is: ≠

[true zinc]

Hard to create unless you know unicode or want to copy symbols

[magic python]

It's about the image, just because it doesn't exist as much as others, doesn't mean it doesn't.

[untold charm]

-# car is bieng /s

[true zinc]

anyway I'm fucking cranky and want to go back to bed

[cunning adder]

@true zinc its this meme, hydrogen and helium are the only atoms

[true zinc]

OHHHHHHHHHH

[teal lion]

also $\neq$

[fathom swallow]

sergeEmbedding

[magic python]

Yeah so plants clearly don't exist since carbon doesn't, atoms are binary!!!!1!1!1!

[teal lion]

and even $\ne$

[dreamy crag]

me when i only know about western europe:

[fathom swallow]

sergeEmbedding

[magic python]

Oh so you're stupid and dense

[glossy marlin]

and left handers will take over the world and autism didn´t exist in the 60s

[magic python]

<@&268886789983436800> queerphobe denies history, being a dunce.

[cunning adder]

oh and also the amount of left handed people skyrocketed in recent years, it must be because theyre putting autism in vaccines right???

[dreamy crag]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender me when im dumb and wrong lmao

[magic python]

Tfw third genders exist in so many cultures:

[untold charm]

have u everrr tried to research anything that goes against this idea?

[true zinc]

Fun fact: the concept of differing genders and sexualities has existed for literally thousands of years. Also the concept of neoponous have been recorded for well over 100 years, it is not just a "recent" "GenZ" phenomenon, as some may call it

[magic python]

Tfw intersex happens:

[glossy marlin]

trans, nb, gnc and intersex people have existed for thousands of years, we´ve found multiple graves of them

[thorn wren]

mrow

[magic python]

Mrow

[untold charm]

meewowoww! ;3

[cunning adder]

so meow bestie

[magic python]

Now uh back to a sane and competent discussion about gender

[teal lion]

no, autism doesn’t exist in the 60’s

by 2060 i will have transformed and ascended

taking into me all autistic people akira-style

[heavy pagoda]

why do people even have handedness

[teal lion]

https://tenor.com/view/akira-kaneda-tetsuo-monster-scifi-gif-27457854

[heavy pagoda]

as opposed to being maximally proficient in using both hands

[dreamy crag]

you ever read a take so bad that you pysicaly recoil?

[magic python]

Did you know Jesus had top surgery /silly

[magic python]

This server? Yes

[glossy marlin]

(or was intersex)

[teal lion]

https://tenor.com/view/akira-leave-me-alone-tiktok-meme-reaction-gif-9595462199354763206

[dreamy crag]

you would die on tumblr

[heavy pagoda]

you canot really be left eyed or left eared or whatever

[cloud rover]

Reading anything about the current US admin, yes

[cunning adder]

im on reddit too much

[glossy marlin]

or mary was intersex... or had a divine vaginoplasty

[magic python]

No he clearly has scars from top surgery...

[heavy pagoda]

you can be left footed i think

[true zinc]

I spend too much time on Reddit and Tumblr

[cunning adder]

i think its something something brain hemispheres idk

[magic python]

Exactly why I ain't there

[heavy pagoda]

but here the discrepancy is not as large

[untold charm]

i spend too much time on pintrest 😭

[true zinc]

HUH??????

[glossy marlin]

right, I saw one or two paintings of it...

[magic python]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/268882317391429632/1504984465842241636/iu_.png?ex=6a08f981&is=6a07a801&hm=7b91c622ba3c604b024a569fe7e81c1428cd0c587de0df2651782f2337536bfe&

[heavy pagoda]

this is kind of true

[true zinc]

I mean, I've seen that take before but.... 🤮

[heavy pagoda]

if your definiteion of eugenics is like any attempt to improve the genetic health of a population

[magic python]

This is even dumber than "letting minors take hormones is eugenics because infertility!!!"

[heavy pagoda]

which is what i think it broadly and originally meant

[unborn meteor]

uhhh wait isn't eugenics discussion not allowed

[heavy pagoda]

possibly

[dreamy crag]

og woops

[unborn meteor]

what the fuck

[magic python]

Being for eugenics is disallowed, i believe serious discussion of it is fine

[heavy pagoda]

i dont think your allowed to talk about it at all

[unborn meteor]

uhhhh can someone ask modmail to clarify

[magic python]

Same as like all other "banned" topics

[dreamy crag]

og woops part 2

[true zinc]

I am redacting Ryan's response to this for obvious reasons -James

[heavy pagoda]

but like serious discussion of adjacent issues is fine

[magic python]

The fact we can talk about CSA and other things, but not eugenics flat out, sounds stupid tbh

[magic python]

Ughhhhh fine brb

[heavy pagoda]

anyway in general i think discussions like

[true zinc]

it is the server rule, if you have an issue with it, go to modmail

[teal lion]

what does gnc stand for here?

i can’t unsee wheybolic protein

https://www.gnc.com/whey-protein/012346.html?srsltid=AfmBOoo8taJcmsd1cLHvsqL9Kokpp1Y1Z0VqJwmXxBgALRfJnocXsbt8

[heavy pagoda]

is 'X' a form of 'Y' , where X is a contentious modern topic and 'Y' is some historically loaded phrase are kind of stupid

[glossy marlin]

-# afaik it does just happen in harmless ways in a relatively small number of cases, and the effects get exponentially worse with every generation, one or two have not been found to be super harmful...

[cunning adder]

holy shit ive done nothing with my day its 18:49 i just realised

[heavy pagoda]

because it almost certainly depends on how broad your definition of Y is

[unborn meteor]

yapping here is something

[cunning adder]

fr

[glossy marlin]

gender nonconforming

[true zinc]

gnc means gender nonconforming

[heavy pagoda]

and its a dumb substitute for the actual argument of is 'X' good

[magic python]

Yes I am asking for clarification

[teal lion]

i recommend
https://www.gnc.com/creatine-shopall/GNCProPerformanceBulk1340.html

[magic python]

Being gnc sounds kinda nice if the world wasn't so messed up I won't lie

[teal lion]

it will help you make gains

[vast wraith]

im gnc but not by choice

[vivid halo]

real

[sharp nymph]

Hi, new here.. I have a question and I’m not sure which is the appropriate channel for it 🫣 How to find out?

[hoary maple]

Gender non conforming probably

(whoops, guess who had chat all the way scrolled up and didn't notice. Sorry about that 😅)

[shadow palm]

After being shilled Nietzsche since my teenage across various internet forums i have finally decided i will learn German to read Nietzsche
Apparently this will change my life
I think I should do it

[north stream]

I recommend the Genealogy of Morals

[shadow palm]

Yeah I will follow the 4chan /sci/ guide to Nietzsche

[spring cradle]

helloo

[shadow palm]

Hello

[spring cradle]

does anyone code here

[shadow palm]

I used to but not in C

[spring cradle]

whats yalls fav language

[shadow palm]

Haskell

[spring cradle]

why haskell

[shadow palm]

Because I am a chud who enjoys lambda calculus

[spring cradle]

interesting

[faint light]

gnc stands for gnc not (by) choice

[vast wraith]

there are plenty of ppl who are gendernonconforming by choice

[faint light]

is it equivalent to choice

[tawdry falcon]

Bahahaha

[tawdry falcon]

It is impossible to be gnc without choice.

[vast wraith]

i heartily disagree

[tawdry falcon]

Oh I didn't know that you were serious about this...

[tawdry falcon]

To be gnc you've got to question things

Societal norms, classifications

Probably even the nature of existence.

[vast wraith]

i see…

[tawdry falcon]

It's not something that just... happens to you.

[vast wraith]

if you say so

sorry im not actually in the mood for a serious discussion

[tawdry falcon]

I win.

[tawdry falcon]

That's funny coz the name of this channel is literally.

"Serious discussion" hehehe

[old oak]

Seriously frivolous discussion

[late anchor]

hey there
I've decided to learn special relativity for the funsies
So I put together this experiment:

• I'm on earth and I have a stopwatch
• My friend and I built a lighthouse 8.7 light seconds away from me
• He's coming by quite soon, he's travelling towards me at 0.87c (from my frame of ref; Lorentz = 2)
• Before he arrives, the lighthouse fires a signal which arrives at a certain point on his trajectory at the same time as it arrives on earth, at least from my frame of reference
• We agreed to reset the stopwatches at that moment, so the time counting begins
• When he arrives, my watch reads 00:10 (10 seconds).

What does his watch read?

Now LLMs say || 5s ||, because || supposedly the signal of the lighthouse doesn't arrive simultaneously from their FoR || but I don't understand why (and if this is true; coz it hallucinated a bit so I figured I'd ask humans)

[old oak]

Did you ask the LLM which discord channel you should post this in?

[late anchor]

Is it your best at friendliness?

[old oak]

Pretty much

[late anchor]

I'm sorry if this is a wrong place, feel free to point me to the right channel

[old oak]

Well, you're probably better off going to another discord in the first place (there's a physics discord, it's linked in #network )

[late anchor]

It's inactive unlike this one

[frail mortar]

how fast can you calculate 453*927 all in yo mind without any pen or paper with yo eyes closed

no calculator

[dreamy crag]

Not the place

[frail mortar]

definately the place

[dreamy crag]

No it is not, please stop

[lusty junco]

Is factorial root a thing because i thought of it and idk if its real
Factorial root is cool, but the Factorial root of a makes a=(ans of Factorial root of a)!, so if a=10, the ans will make it so then if you ans!, It equals a

[dreamy crag]

just the inverse factorial?

[glossy marlin]

\Gamma^{-1}(z+1)

-# also yeah people just do not read channel names or descriptions...

[magic python]

People are so stupid I just saw someone say ""someone" is NOT "they"" like come on

[dreamy crag]

hmm

[zenith ice]

??? What

[magic python]

Want me to send what the full message was? It's a doozy...

[glass peak]

Wow Sweden is almost as fucked as the UK

[zenith ice]

Yes, I would like to read the full message.

[magic python]

"someone" is NOT "they"
It's "he" or "she"...
I too am tired of those stupid pronouns...
Why is that so hard to use the ACTUAL language
??

Copied from where I saw it that I cant get back to

Yes they spaced it like this...

[zenith ice]

Hmmm

I have no clue my English is too rusty to confirm or deny that.

[magic python]

"They" is a very common English pronoun

[zenith ice]

Yes.

[magic python]

I love how people who act like this exist, and then people call us snowflakes :3

[glossy marlin]

-# also them: it, I, those, that

[zenith ice]

I do not understand honestly.

[magic python]

Wait, articles are pronouns?

[old oak]

They aren't

They're articles

[magic python]

Then why is "the" an example

[glossy marlin]

-# right

-# some other languages have articles that are also pronouns though

[magic python]

Ah fair

[old oak]

Oh, that's interesting, which ones?

[magic python]

People who hate on pronouns honestly need to get something better to do like come on, speak English without using them, long sentences, see how hard it gets to refer to things :3

[old oak]

In my day we didn't even have pronouns

[magic python]

Them as in pronouns, not them as in the pronoun "them"

[magic python]

Correct, day didn't have pronouns, but now it does. Day goes by it/it's now :3

[bronze pelican]

Definitely car

[old oak]

Woke day

[zenith ice]

[magic python]

Definitely Woke*

[latent edge]

Definitely dog

[bronze pelican]

We need to get woker

[old oak]

We do

[magic python]

I may be a bitch but i ain't no dog

[latent edge]

Definitely a sea lion

[magic python]

Aw...

[latent edge]

https://tenor.com/view/sea-lion-clapping-applause-gif-12252876610544574555

Sea lions are so silly I love them

[magic python]

True

[true zinc]

Who was hating on pronouns

[old oak]

I love that "sealioning" is a verb recognized by Wikipedia; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

[true zinc]

oh look at me, I just used a relative pronoun

[magic python]

Not a person here fortunately

[old oak]

A lot of my relatives use pronouns

[true zinc]

Sometimes I wish english retained its case system more faithfully

would've been funny to develop proper declensions for neopronouns

[latent edge]

Imagine using names instead of pronouns. That must be tiring

[magic python]

It has a name???

[true zinc]

stares at our alters who prefer to only be referred to by name

[magic python]

Never knew this

[latent edge]

The Cat Collective got The Cat Collective's book on Arithmetic groups

[glossy marlin]

not sure which languages exactly, but german is an example

[old oak]

I wouldn't really say so, der/die/das are still articles, they're just gendered unlike the English "the"

[true zinc]

German has articles, they have gender and case, but they're related to old english articles too

which is where we get modern day "the" in English

[old oak]

Gendered words aren't just a pronoun thing, in many languages nouns are gendered.

In Polish some forms of verbs are also gendered

[magic python]

Isn't a pronoun just something that can stand in for a noun and be referring to the noun

Or is there more nuance, since phrases can also stand in for nouns...

[true zinc]

Hindi has gendered past tense verbs too, which is so funny that 2 different branches of indo european both independently developed this same setup

[old oak]

(which is a huge pain when translating software, because "You did a thing" will translate differently depending on whether the addressee is male or female)

[true zinc]

This is correct for the most part, what actually defines a pronoun goes into classes of substantives in a language and stuff

[magic python]

Oh so there is nuance, nice, that makes sense

at least it isn't like the definition of a rhotic

[true zinc]

also here's what Outsider is referring to by gendered past tense, this is from Czech, which is what I am currently learning, but AFAIK the system is very similar in Polish

[glossy marlin]

they´re sort of both, they´re taught as closely related if not the same, at times one can be used as another...

[old oak]

Yeah, I think most, if not all, slavic languages have that

[magic python]

"Oh yeah it's just an r like sound"

[old oak]

Citation very much needed

[true zinc]

Yeah they're related at a very deep level, demostratives and articles originally originate from (older sets of) demonstrate pronouns

[true zinc]

I mean, rhotics are decently well defined too, but there's a lot of types of rhotic sounds, all of them inolve airflow across the tongue in a very specific way

[magic python]

Yeah I was more making parody on a definition of them I've seen before, it would make sense for them to have like an actual definition instead of "yeah that sounds like a rhotic"

Ahem ahem the entire part above that on wikipedia

[true zinc]

That's just...very hard (read: probably hopeless) to do sadly AFAIK, unless we rewrite the entire classification

[glossy marlin]

well, I learned and talked in german for a while, I don´t remember much but iirc all the articles can be (and are) often used in place of pronouns, not sure if it goes the other way

idk what I´d cite

[true zinc]

I believe they can replace demonstratives when you have direct objects or something like that, at-least that's just my guess here

but I'd have to actually take a look at it later

[magic python]

Well I mean one typically wouldn't call the uh nasals or plosives rhotic to my information, and they appear to be liquid consonants, but yeah, I can see how classing them is more trouble than it's worth

[true zinc]

Well, nasals can't really be rhotic unless you're making a rhotic-like sound with a nasal, I guess something like a weird (\widetilde{r}) but I have no idea how to even pronounce that. Similarly, yeah liquids are..kinda hard to define but I think I get what you're saying about how you can have nasal liquids

[fathom swallow]

??? (The Cat Collective)

[magic python]

Language is weird, simple as that

[glossy marlin]

-# I don´t remember if there even are demonstratives like this, that, etc.
-# I do know there are like a hundred common articles and pronouns and everybody hates learning them

[true zinc]

There are demonstratives in German, they're almost identical in form if not identical to the definite article due to forms recombining and the aforementioned articles being formed from demonstratives originally

The imporant note is that as a demonstrative, the masculine genitive singular and neuter genitive "dessen" vs "des" for the article, femonine genitive "deren" becomes "der" in the article, etc...

[next schooner]

There is definitely more nuance. There are plenty of phrases just in English where a pronoun is present but there isn't any noun for which it could feasibly be substituting. A simple sentence like "Everyone left" has the pronoun 'everyone' - in this sentence, it is functioning as a full noun phrase in and of itself and its meaning is inherently to do with "quantifying"; specifically, it quantifies, like, "all people in the contextually relevant group".

[magic python]

Oh true, I forgot it can also just be it's own thing

[next schooner]

Pronouns as being a distinct grammatical class of word comes to us from the kinda classical Latin grammatical tradition

Definitely useful in the analysis of languages where they clearly exist, but once you start looking towards other languages their status gets very murky

[snow ice]

Odd question for serious discussion but where did that ally person go, she said she'll return in May but left the server. Huh.

[echo comet]

Hi

[unborn meteor]

for some reason discord search on mobile is really weird

[snow ice]

Oh , I see, thx.

[dreamy crag]

whats yalls opinion on rage against the machine?

yeah

[sharp yarrow]

They kill

But in the name of love

[candid storm]

saw them perform with masks

cooperative with the machine

part of the machine

be one with the machine

other than that... good music

[random otter]

would u like to create brazilian funks with me to earn money more easily..

[verbal quest]

yesterday I saw some course while looking for something else
and the course was named after the band, the topic was racism related
but at the top the prof or whoever made the course page used the MGK cover of Killling in the Name
how embarrassing, smh

[candid storm]

Brazilian Funk sounds tuff fr

[random otter]

yup/yes/ofc it really is!

[dreamy crag]

Uggg

[stark trench]

do people really enjoy giving homeless people money

[hidden bough]

People enjoy kindness and also enjoy superiority

So like yeah

[wary ice]

Correct.

[vivid halo]

imagine being this cynical

[turbid ocean]

It seems to be a popular trend in this server.

[stark trench]

i don't think it's particular cynical

it has nothing to do with me thinking people are uncharitable

my experience giving homeless people money has been immense stress and constantly worrying i'm misallocating my money

and that some other usage of my money would be better for benefiting the well-being of everyone

now i think now probably the most optimal allocation of my money is donating it to charities like evidence action but i also wonder whether i have any such obligation whatsoever and instead i have obligations to foster certain sorts of personal relationships---the problem with that is that i form no such relationship either with a stranger i give money to nor the people who benefit from a charity i donate to

and then i also wonder if people will benefit much from getting money from me

i think these are natural worries, and i haven't looked into the empirical lit. on donating to homeless folk, although i do know a small amount about the experiences of the temporarily and extendedly homeless and causes of temporary and extended homelessness where i live

[north stream]

I don't see why you need to have a personal relationship with a stranger to give them money

[stark trench]

you don't!

the point is that personal relationships are irrelevant and so it's unclear why i ought to give money to homeless folk over liberian women

[vivid halo]

rather small amounts of money are sometimes what stands in the way of eating for the day, or avoiding drug withdrawal symptoms

[stark trench]

yeah!

[vivid halo]

I'm usually not one to just hand money to the homeless especially when it's not clear what their situation is, it is much more helpful if you are able to talk with them and are able to ask what they need and so on

[stark trench]

yeah. the needs of homeless folk can vary a lot. a lot of homeless folk can afford food but not rent and this is especially common with temporary homelessness

which comprises the majority of homelessness where i live

however more broadly money tends to help people

well i mean i was kinda just asking because i was curious as to whether this is a common experience

i have the same anxiety when i donate to any charity, because i stress about misallocating my money

[vivid halo]

to be clear I don't think this is a normal stress reaction to this sort of thing

[north stream]

what they do with the money is not for me to judge or control, even if it could be self-destructive -- this is for themselves to decide

[stark trench]

yeah that's what i was asking

hence my question about whether people enjoy giving money to homeless folk, and more generally donating to charity

with charities i'm soothed by the fact that some charities are actually very predictable in how they'll spend their money

like i can believe with reasonable confidence that some considerable sum of money i donate to certain charities will go to mitigating anemia in malawi, and i can know pretty well what that will do

i dunno. i feel a moral obligation either way to donate to charity as a result of my pretty naive consequentialism

but i dunno i don't think this sentiment is popular because a lot of folk think donating to charity is supererogatory

whereas i think it's obligatory, and i don't have any problems with moral demandingness

[north stream]

If your intent is to help mitigate anemia in malawi, then you can support charities for this outcome, and if desired, simultaneously you can also support people who will then have a liberty to decide their actions further outside of your desired outcomes

[stark trench]

yeah, but it's a question of what the optimal allocation is. i think it's kinda obvious to me in hindsight that it's just way more efficient to donate to oxfam and not spend any money on folk in my country

i don't know why i thought otherwise

[rapid valve]

I also have the feeling that everything charity-related gives me gratification that i don't deserve, just because i have money

I take homelessness very seriously but genuinely idk how to have a normal interaction with homeless people

Idk if it's that surprising since their situation is not normal at all

[mellow pond]

felt that so fucking hard

[finite herald]

Guys what's 1+1

[true crater]

2

[finite herald]

Prove it

[true crater]

if u add 1 to 1 u get 2

[inner canopy]

I feel like this is discrimination on some level tbh

[north stream]

Bertrand Russel already did

[mellow pond]

agreed

[stark trench]

it's not really unique to homeless folk, i have this experience any time i give any money for any charitable purpose

it's hard for me to imagine genuinely completely useless uses of money in general, the broader anxiety is that i'm giving money to ameliorate suffering very inefficiently

this is not the homeless person's fault, nor does it have anything to do with their character

the thing that's strange is it is unique to altruistic endeavors. like i don't feel this way if i'm consciously and actively being selfish

like if i selfishly decide to buy something i don't need, say an expensive raincoat, i don't feel terribly worried i could've bought a better raincoat. but if i donate to evidence action, i worry i'm allocating my money terribly and it'd be better to donate to some other org or spend that money campaigning to defund the UAE or something

so maybe it is discriminatory

[glass peak]

Perfect is the enemy of good and all

Theres no point worrying about hyperoptimisation, just actually doing something is good enough. Ive never bought a homeless person something to eat or a coffee and worried itd have been better to do something else (mainly because ive only done these things after speaking to them, but also because, its something ya know)

[livid walrus]

the duality of #serious-discussion:

dude what's 1+1
its 2 man
dude I feel like this is discrimination…
yeah no its not really…

[glass peak]

Direct action is always good though, if its something you really care about youd struggle to do better than working in your local foodbank, helping run a youth club or whatever

[north stream]

One can select, configure and revise their risk-tolerance over time, across how well the current form and state of a given charity is likely to use their funds efficiently

[floral rock]

the bird flu?

yea they tend to do that

[torn talon]

fr

[sharp yarrow]

No

[torn talon]

ok

[torn talon]

wait aren't you the guy who said they were banned on physics playground

I tried to organize a help ticket for you, and I did but you didn't provide any details

[shadow palm]

My life is over
Deviated nasal septum coupled with sinus and TMJ problem has destroyed my eustachain tube
I am feeling pain with slight jaw movement in my ear region
My left ear hurts so bad I can't think
How will I do math like this

Fuck sake all 3 -4 problems at once my head hurts so baf

[true zinc]

You're life is not over, medical problems can be alleviated

How will you do maths like this? As you have always done maths, probably after some form of medical treatment

[shadow palm]

YEah I am beIng dramatic but gHIs will take some time to fix

[shadow palm]

Yes but these things have become too much Now And hurts a lot

[fresh berry]

why so serious

[cunning adder]

https://www.texastribune.org/2026/05/15/texas-children-transgender-transition-settlement-attorney-general/

[dreamy crag]

they are trying to ensure we do not exist, make yourself known

(not you polecat)

[full hornet]

yeah this is wild

[mellow pond]

common texas L

[rapid valve]

Reversing trans care = conversion therapy + forced hormone treatment + forced surgery?

That's crazy

[dreamy crag]

wdym?

[magic python]

Gender-affirming care is an umbrella term for the treatment of gender dysphoria, or the discomfort that comes when someone’s gender identity does not align with the sex they were assigned at birth. Gender-affirming care ranges from “socially transitioning” — using different pronouns or dressing differently — to puberty blockers, hormone therapy and surgical interventions.

“Today is a monumental day in the fight to stop the radical transgender movement,” Paxton said in a statement issued Friday. “I applaud Texas Children’s Hospital for changing course and committing to being a part of the solution by agreeing to form a first-of-its kind Detransition Clinic that will help provide free care to those who have been victimized by twisted, morally bankrupt transgender ideology.”

Oh fuck off, quit victimizing us for the wrong stuff.

Detransitioning is the stopping or reversal of transitioning care by social, medical or legal means, and it is rare for people to regret transitioning after taking hormone therapy and surgical interventions

Wait hold on is this shit also woke

Okay it seems this article actually isn't against transitioning

Whoever Paxton is, they are just an idiot

Imagine suing people for.... providing potentially life-saving care...

[dreamy crag]

fuck yeah 'merica

[magic python]

Land of the free (will to attack minorities)

It sounds like the mandatory funding for this will take away funding from children with cancer. God Bless America

[true zinc]

Ken Paxton is the attorney general for the state of Texas, he;s basically the governor's right hand man, extremely anti woke, and a total asshole, He's very vindictive and I believe he's talked in the past how he things trans people should be locked up in mental asylums or dead

[magic python]

No wonder he is suing over people providing care and calling us victims of being forced into being evil

[cunning adder]

is the 'radical' transgender movement in the room with us right now?

[magic python]

It's me, sorry, I like being silly.

[cunning adder]

AN ENEMY OF AMERICA! /j

[magic python]

I mean aren't I literally classed as a terrorist now? Wasn't there something that basically classed anti-fascists as terrorists? Or were my video sources overexaggerating.

[cunning adder]

ah lemme pull up the document i have it saved we were called terrorists

[dreamy crag]

a bit overexagerated but mostly true

[magic python]

Ooooooo look im a scary terrorist because I have boobs now, oooooooo they are gonna explode buildings somehow

[magic python]

... I wish this was an Onion article.

[dreamy crag]

like i do not belive that trans people are on like the same level as like, hamas, but they are counted as a threat

[opal blade]

Opg

[magic python]

Is it about the ideology we want to assault little girls in the bathroom and that we groom people?

[true zinc]

yeah so...they very much are

[cunning adder]

ctrl+f transgender

official us govt document

[magic python]

Or is it just "Oh god they are trying to be happy! Threat!"

[dreamy crag]

wait really?

[true zinc]

mhm, trump was talking a few days ago about how he views extremist transgenderism or whatever he calls as a direct internal national security threat

[magic python]

Every day I get more and more thankful for not being in that country...

[dreamy crag]

uggggg

[true zinc]

and there was a whitehouse press release about it

[cunning adder]

even the onion seems less satirical than regular news lmfao

[dreamy crag]

the one fucking thing i miss

[true zinc]

oh it is

We passed that point several years ago

[dreamy crag]

kinda been blocking things out for my mental health tbh

[magic python]

They literally have to have nonsense now because normal parody is... most likely the truth.

[true zinc]

Unironically I have been wishing my abusers actually were able to kill me recently purely because of all of this

Ah well I just need to find more people to manipulate and destroy my mental health until I have no other options but to die

[magic python]

And they say our rights arent being stripped..? We are literally classed as a national threat, have the constant risk of ICE deportation (and the other horrible crimes they do), and can't even get ANY form of help in many cases

[true zinc]

I was literally talking to one of my friends in my server last night about how I'd fare if we got drafted (low chance, I know, but still)

[magic python]

Like honestly, is life even real? This has to be a sick fucking joke

[cunning adder]

'trans people have unfair advantages' yes i have an unfair advantage in being executed in the country i live in because im trans, its very fun

[true zinc]

And like, if they unironically want someone who is physically disabled and would probably hurt themselves first if ever given a weapon.....yeah this country's fucked

[magic python]

Oh yeah, the whole war stuff I almost forgot about...

[true zinc]

we were born into the worst generation

[long orchid]

man fuck Trump and his cronies

[magic python]

Please tell me NOBODY calls the US progressive in any way...

[mellow pond]

agreed

[long orchid]

actual fascists

[cunning adder]

my entire existance has been a sick joke for the past years

[magic python]

This is why they label anti-fascists as terrorists, no

[rapid valve]

I think they're more like nazis than random fascists yk

[magic python]

Okay so like when do we finally get to call this erasure a genocide? (Yes I know technically it needs to be closer to a religious culture... but come on. We are being fucking eradicated.)

Reminder folks, genocide doesn't need to be "direct murder"

[mellow pond]

yep

[magic python]

All the things people don't call genocides just because "well they didn't directly murder them most of the time"

Residential schools were a damn genocide as well.

[cunning adder]

'Genocide is the partial or total destruction of a human group, committed intentionally.'
This detransition bs IS GENOCIDE and nothing less

[magic python]

Yay Texas, that's so good for you!

[cunning adder]

oh and further on same wikipedia definition:
'the forcible transfer of children to another group,'
the detransition clinic is part of a childrens hospital ^.^

[magic python]

Honestly, looking at other countries, i shouldn't be complaining about my care

[magic python]

Nonono but Texas made it near impossible for minors to get it so less minors "need" to be groomed!

[rapid valve]

No it doesn't need to be close to be a religious culture

[magic python]

Oh so people saying it isnt actually a genocide are dumb, yippee

[rapid valve]

You can make a race out of anything if you're racist enough

[cunning adder]

anyone can have it worse, it dosent take away from the fact that none of us have it good and we all need to complain

[rapid valve]

And the us is making trans a race

[magic python]

Fair

Texas should have stricter gun laws with how easy it is to predict a rise in minors committing suicide in the near future(?). Actually fucking disgusting.

Imagine you finally get some help. Finally have hope to feel good. Then your body gets forcefully mutilated under the guise of "helping" you from the "grooming" you were subjected to.

Probably, it's probably going to be like sectioning. Except even worse on the mental health of those committed.

Based on how many other things are happening in the US, i doubt it's optional.