serious-discussion

[next schooner]

okay, are you asking about a specific school of thought within christianity? Because there are many solutions to the problem of evil and christianity is not agreed on which is "best"

[cunning juniper]

What's the point of talking about anything if you cannot challenge anyone beliefs on anything? @true zinc

[next schooner]

it's a very big religion. the beliefs within christianity have extraordinary variance

[cunning juniper]

Just what's in the bible

[next schooner]

lmao ok

[slate turret]

Are you more old testament or new testament?

[cunning juniper]

I'm an Atheist.

[next schooner]

so what this demonstrates is that you don't know diddly shit about christianity and perhaps your "challenging of beliefs" here is in fact just your regular old run-of-the-mill "christianity is dumb and christians are dumb" atheism

[burnt ledge]

How could a religion with billions of followers across thousands of years and hundreds of countries have several answers to such a broad question as "why is there evil"

[cunning juniper]

Control your self please

[slate turret]

There is a certain cultural default that people fall into for religion and politics based off the their exposures

[eager ledge]

Not to mention the dozen of sub-denominations, where the splits occurred at least partly precisely because of theological differences!

[teal lion]

What arguments around the problem of evil have you read, for example?

[cunning juniper]

I don't remember Christianity having billions of followers

[next schooner]

i am quite composed - i am pointing out that you seem to claim to want a discussion about theology but thus far everything you have said points to the very obvious conclusion that you don't know the first thing about christianity

[burnt ledge]

There are billions of current followers and that's not even counting the ones who are dead

[cunning juniper]

Is Christianity based on the Bible?

[devout cliff]

Depends who you ask. I’m Catholic and I would say no we aren’t based on the bible

[next schooner]

Alright. Let's talk about the bible then if that's what you want to chat about. What do you think of the manner in which the book of Job tackles the problem of evil?

[cunning juniper]

My search result says 2B something

[burnt ledge]

Thank you

[cunning juniper]

Thanks for what?

[halcyon aurora]

which Bible laughs in grace and atonement

[cunning juniper]

Okay, what are you based of?

[burnt ledge]

For confirming my claim, I was too lazy to google it myself and i was starting to get unsure

[halcyon aurora]

He is Catholic, Catholic truth comes from the Bible and the pope dually

[eager ledge]

the Buggre Alle This Bible, of course.

[halcyon aurora]

or I guess the church

[cunning juniper]

He just said it doesn't

[devout cliff]

We obviously believe we’re congruent with scripture but Christ came and founded a community, a family united in faith, sacraments and love. In time this community wrote the New Testament, received those writings and interprets them as a community. We’re primarily based on the Apostles

But Catholics are doing something different than reading scripture with a fine tooth comb and then trying to reconstruct what we read like many modern paradigms

[halcyon aurora]

Do you have a specific dilemma rn or just a challenge?

[teal lion]

The church wrote the bible and determined the canon, and the church gets its authority from apostolic succession

[cunning juniper]

I'm just going with the flow

[cunning juniper]

So u only accept the new testiment?

[devout cliff]

No we accept the entire canon but just due to chronology the Apostles wrote the New Testament not the Tanakh

[quick beacon]

Speaking as an atheist. I would really appreciate it if you didn't make me look bad. Thanks.

[next schooner]

aight fuck off outta here

[versed frost]

You are an omnipotent entity so why atheist

[halcyon aurora]

Hey rat person how do I say your username (pls no mute)

[next schooner]

ratgirl

[livid walrus]

error, expected math, returned theology

[next schooner]

specifically ratgirl in a dorset/wiltshire accent

theology comes up in here

[eager ledge]

What happened to “Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain”?

[next schooner]

well. i wouldn't call anything that was said by that fella 'theology'

its like. the one fuckin rule in this channel

dont evangelise and dont be a cringe /r/athiestoid

[livid walrus]

Ah, discussion of religion is part of channel description

[next schooner]

wow. it actually happened. i just witnessed in real time somebody reading a channel description

what a moment

[quick beacon]

[livid walrus]

Hahaha must be very surprising on the internet, particularly on help forum spaces such as this

[next schooner]

help forum spaces such as this

ow

[teal lion]

Consider that

“1. if God exists, i would believe he exists. 2. i do not believe that God exists. 3. Thus God does not exist.”

is rather spurious, especially since premise 1 is false for every existing object you aren’t personally aware of

you thus need some argument for premise 1, such as a divine hiddenness argument

[magic python]

People read channel descriptions? Is this the end times???

[eager ledge]

Speaking of channel description, is it also forbidden to ask to what blackpill ideology refers to?

[livid walrus]

it's normal calm down

[next schooner]

asking what blackpill ideology is is fine

[burnt ledge]

Lowkey ive seen (far) more people ask "what does blackpill ideology mean" than people trying to espouse such ideology

[next schooner]

though i wouldn't really say that there is such a thing as a single "blackpill ideology"

[slate turret]

So what is a blackpill ideology generally?

[livid walrus]

of course someone like this exists on the polar opposite end

[magic python]

You have clearly not been to #math-discussion often enough to know how surprising this is, though I do jest, people do read it, it is a form of bias here I believe, i only know the people who didn't and then asked for something the channel descriptions explain

[magic python]

Oh you found one

[livid walrus]

I've seen enough tech forums lol

[bright condor]

I'm setting a bad example.
It's the first time I'm reading the description for this channel.

[magic python]

"Hey can I have help" insert math image

[next schooner]

so anyway it all starts with these atheist youtubers in the early 2010s then a woman said that video games seem to be very much oriented towards men so itd be cool if we could tone down how sexualised games are and stuff and like sure her critiques were pretty flawed in a lot of places and it was like during the ideological golden age of buzzfeed feminism so then this triggered gamergate and uh now there's a fascist in the oval office

[burnt ledge]

honourable setting a bad example
MOOODDDDDSSSSS

[livid walrus]

Read the manual. no response will be added until you prove this isn't in the manual
in typical elitist fashion

No archlinux users, I see

[true zinc]

I follow this principle usually

[magic python]

Okay but to be fair, this is valid in cases where the same things from the manual are asked hundreds of times daily

especially if it's near the front

[livid walrus]

why are people like this

[eager ledge]

Wait, I’m not really seeing the link with the atheist youtubers that you mention at the beginning?

[teal lion]

i think gamergaters did not have a significant affect on the republican primary elections at least, and probably not the generals

even now the “online opinion” seems to be very different from actual poll data

i don’t really have a source on this, but it’s a pattern i’ve been seeing when looking online

[burnt ledge]

its a lot of the same people in gamergate and in youtube atheism

[magic python]

"Until you prove it isnt" is a bit harsh though I will agree

[quick beacon]

A lot of the atheist YouTubers back in the early 2010s happened to also be conservatives, also happen to be gamers, also happen to be douchebags

[magic python]

It's easy for someone to accidentally not see it if it's say on page 74 out of 123 and is just a small part of a paragraph

[livid walrus]

a good justification showing your effort will do lol

[magic python]

But with how easy we make it to see how to get help... it's not like that.

[quick beacon]

It's pretty easy when you're obviously correct about some things to assume that you're automatically correct about everything. This is how you got people who talked about evolution being true, and having all the correct arguments for that, start talking about how feminism is horrible, and not understanding that they're being really really dumb.

[next schooner]

i mean yeah, i did kinda skip some things in that silly summary of the last 15 years of western politics

[livid walrus]

some people expect you to be their ChatGPT

[magic python]

True

[next schooner]

anyway, that's kinda how I remember it as somebody who was very much in the exact wrong place at the exact wrong time when the "alt right" first became a thing

insofar as I got swept right up into it

didn't really leave it until uhhh idk 4/5 years ago

[eager ledge]

Color me yellow surprised. Conversative atheists on Youtube, in the early 2010s?

[next schooner]

i was certainly still a massive bigot and transphobe n shit back when COVID hit and then for a good while after

[quick beacon]

I guess more specifically they were libertarians.

Fortunately I was old enough not to get swept up into gamergate or the alt-right

[eager ledge]

Oh, that makes more intuitive sense.

[next schooner]

it was this server that turned me from a quiet and polite but nonetheless extremely bigoted transphobe into a fuckin queer meself

which is... funny

[magic python]

Am I like the only letter mafia member who wasn't against it prior to joining istg /hj /lh

[eager ledge]

What are all these?

[magic python]

The tonetags? Half joking and light hearted

[livid walrus]

what how can a math serves change u bro

[eager ledge]

Oh, right. I didn’t know those. But I was also asking about “letter mafia” and “istg”.

[glossy marlin]

nope... took until last year for me to get it in the slightest but I was always for it

[magic python]

We are woke

[glossy marlin]

lgbtq+ and "I swear to god"

[slate turret]

Seems like quite a common journey

[magic python]

Letter mafia=2slgbtqqia+ (intentionally using a long form of the acronym here)
And istg is I swear to god

[eager ledge]

Ah, thanks.

[next schooner]

i got sucked into the internet as a 12 year-old stumbling upon /b/ for the first time via habbo fuckin hotel, right up thru the pipeline and into this cool and exciting cultural moment which felt real and significant and that was legitimately exciting to go through. Unfortunately, that 'cultural movement' was the alt-right

[magic python]

I still don't get it I won't lie

[glossy marlin]

-# 2slgbtqqiaaa+++*

[next schooner]

why would it not be able to change someone

[magic python]

Ugh aromantic and asexual can fight with agender for the single a at the end.

[next schooner]

that's the one

[teal lion]

alt right annoys me because they got to the term first

why can’t we have it for the current right?

[livid walrus]

that's def something new on my bingo book

[magic python]

Wait is the a at the end even any of those 3...

[next schooner]

i mean we already got a term for the current right its just fascist m8

[burnt ledge]

best i can do is lgbtq

[glossy marlin]

yeah, hard to fully understand. but I understand trans people and history a bit more now.

[magic python]

Fair

[magic python]

Best I can remember is BLT

[eager ledge]

It seems to be not uncommon that bigots change their minds by interacting with the people they are bigoted against, and realizing that they’re actually not so bad after all. Finding a common “neutral” topic as a discussion starter is pretty helpful.

[burnt ledge]

all the others can accept that they come under the term without getting another letter for themselves

[livid walrus]

I see

[glossy marlin]

iirc it´s either ace or aroace, aro and agender people have different struggles...

[magic python]

Ah...

[halcyon aurora]

geez this is a semi scary conversation about the alt right, but I'm here for it

[next schooner]

(this is serious discussion so i do want to clarify that fascism is not a single ideology but refers to multiple ideologies all of which share a common kinda vibe and also that "very-far-right != fascist" at least insofar as "right = conservatism" because like most implementations of fascist ideology have done things that were very much not aligned with conservatism ya ya ya)

[eager ledge]

But I guess ratgirl can give you more of a first-hand experience rather than my armchair speculations.

[next schooner]

i mean no that's pretty much it

turns out speaking to people makes you realise they're just people

[livid walrus]

It is a reasonable speculation hahah

[halcyon aurora]

I was very baffled when looking up fascism to find out it is "anti-liberal, anti-conservative", like then what the heck

[slate turret]

Unless you approach them with the intent outside of a human interaction

[eager ledge]

I mean, fascism views itself (at least historically) as a radically new ideology. So it literally can’t be conservative.

[next schooner]

i found myself speaking to loads of trans and GNC people on the server and, like, I wouldn't even necessarily know that they were queer or like i'd find out later or something and because it never really came up in conversation it never even entered my mind to think idk "wow i am chatting to a trans woman and i need to say something about her existence!!"

[halcyon aurora]

that's a fresh take good point

[next schooner]

yup

[eager ledge]

I wanted to elaborate, but I need to refresh my memory on the history of political thought.

[next schooner]

i mean early fascist thinkers were very much taking inspiration from certain ideas from both sides of the kinda political left/right of the time

[livid walrus]

what motivated you to be a rat

[zealous garden]

in hunter-gatherer societies, ADHD is an advantage

[teal lion]

/pol/ for me when i was around that age, but i think i just posted new /pol/ humor threads hoping for pinochet and stalin jokes

learned about jeremy hammond and anonymous and thought that was cool, but didn’t have a computer at the time and had to use online interpreters for hackthissite

i don’t know why i wasn’t radicalized

i suppose maybe because i was in normal conservative land already, and they seemed to give counterarguments to the far-right more often, whereas the left dismiss the far-right as obviously wrong

it’s not obviously wrong to the people who believe it, and the “they don’t want you to think this” is part of the allure

[next schooner]

this is much easier to see if you look back before e.g. Mussolini or Hilter and look at the ideas which they first encountered

[magic python]

I'm gathering these berries so fucking hard

[slate turret]

Wasn't the creator of /pol/ in communication with Epstein?

[next schooner]

fascism by-and-large was a product of a whole bunch of what almost seem like kinda inevitable things colliding in western society all at once

[eager ledge]

For instance, IIRC, in Italy, work was supposed to be organized in a guild-like model, very unlike a corporation, although I forgot the details.

[zealous garden]

I'm hunting the fuck outta these SQUIRRELS

[magic python]

Fuck yeah

[slate turret]

Carrying the flame? That sounds familiar

[zealous garden]

https://tenor.com/view/awesomedogebr0-gif-26033415

wait <@&268886789983436800>

[slate turret]

What? I don't think that's mod worthy; this is literally serious discussion

[zealous garden]

last I know epstein discussion is completely forbidden

or is it just jokes

[glossy marlin]

iirc it´s jokes

[sand swift]

We can't talk about the epstein zeta function🥀

[next schooner]

it is jokes

[zealous garden]

my bad

[livid walrus]

the what zeta function…

[cloud rover]

4chan's a serious site? /s

[zealous garden]

4chan is a giant psyop

[quick beacon]

There will be no punishment for mod pings in good faith. Chill your gills.

[zealous garden]

there haven't been real people on 4chan since like 2019

QED

[teal lion]

reading goebbels’s propaganda for the first time surprised me with this

the anti-capitalist stuff in particular, and on the supposed attempt to surpass marxian socialism with some sort of united german socialism

as an aside, one of the best things america’s constitution has going for it is that it doesn’t have a clause that can let the executive branch suspend the bill of rights

[zealous garden]

what? what's rattus trajectuss

[cloud rover]

It's how far she throws her mods

[zealous garden]

holy shit, unexpected ass origin drop

/b/ was always pretty bad though

one day even the YLYLs fell

never went there

[teal lion]

“racism is banned, except on /b/“ being the de jure is probably a good indicator by itself

[cloud rover]

...I feel like I just had a stroke reading that

[zealous garden]

I got said when 8chan died after the incident

I'm sure most of the site deserved to burn

[cloud rover]

"The wussug yuhlil are still [German for "cinema"]"

[zealous garden]

but I liked /prog/ and /joost/

[teal lion]

i still use /w/ now and then for ricing themes

[livid walrus]

that's why 8chan>>

[zealous garden]

is it really? you would never guess

[cloud rover]

how tf does kino translate to great

[verbal monolith]

don’t question 4chan.

[teal lion]

angel’s egg is absolute kino

[cloud rover]

oh you are fokken kidding me

[zealous garden]

what's /w/

[cloud rover]

I hate that I can see the derivation route from this

[zealous garden]

I was a fan of the fetch and desktop threads on /g/

[cloud rover]

Ja das verstand ich schon ffs
-# yh I got that already ffs

[livid walrus]

what language is this

[cloud rover]

It's German

[teal lion]

Deutsch

[cloud rover]

And it's defo not Japanese

[zealous garden]

it says it right there

[glossy marlin]

I like progesterone but what the hell is joost

[zealous garden]

/joost/ was a fanboard for singer and model Stefanie Joosten, made in the wake of her appearance in MGS V as Quiet.

https://tenor.com/view/mgs-quiet-gif-4537624

[teal lion]

i apologize, i put it as a psa, and the reply was just for threading the conversation

[versed frost]

Wae is your German so good?

[zealous garden]

and /prog/ was the /prog/ramming board

not to be confused with the /tech/ board

[cloud rover]

Who says it is good?

[versed frost]

Me

[cloud rover]

https://klipy.com/gifs/why-are-you-why-are-you-gay-1--k01KQZPA62KJXDWGVY6P69AS3HS

[teal lion]

i didn’t realize kino was a 4chan thing when used in that sense

[versed frost]

I wonder if you have been taken lessons?

[agile fiber]

wiktionary gives the origin of english usage of kino from russian

[cloud rover]

It might be the same word in Russian; unsure

[zealous garden]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-pikachu-surprised-pikachu-face-face-gif-15329743

[cloud rover]

Ich glaub ich hab dir schon gesagt; ich hab in der Schule gelernt
-# I believe I've already told you; I learnt at school

[teal lion]

so i have thus heard, but the dictionary entry that came up first was the german one, and it seems to mean the same thing

[cloud rover]

Well, I mean, Russian doesn't use the Latin alphabet, so ofc the German result comes up first

[agile fiber]

the russian is кино which transliterates to the same (the russian word is possibly even borrowed from german)

[eager ledge]

Isn’t there always a mute “e” after a verb conjugated to the first person singular? (“Ich habe”, etc)

[agile fiber]

see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kino-Eye

[ionic wraith]

[mint canopy]

Polymarket

This is not a reliable source

We shouldn't give this undue weight

[burnt ledge]

i lurked for a couple years , all after 2019

[cloud rover]

The proper spelling is habe and the proper diction enunciates the -e; it's however common enough to elide these -es in colloquial speech to the extent that they can be dropped in casual writing such as here (hence me not even bothering to write them in lol)

Were I to write that sentence properly, it would be as follows:

Ich glaube, dass ich dir schon gesagt hab__e__: Ich habe (Deutsch) in der Schule gelernt.

[eager ledge]

Ah, thanks for the clarification, I wasn’t aware that dropping the e was so common.

[cloud rover]

compare how people don't always enunciate the /t/ in "going to" in English, to the extent that writing "gonna" in informal text is very commonplace

[ionic wraith]

So the initial source is New York Post which bleh

The source NYP cites is an El Pais article which is more reputable

That being said, it’s a passenger report

[eager ledge]

Were I to write that sentence properly
Nice!

[cloud rover]

What, the inversion-subjunctive combo?

[teal lion]

小さい言葉翻訳を書いてのがいいね
それで書いて

-# I think the small-word translations are good. I’ll write them too

[mint canopy]

I appreciate the didactic purpose of the translations, but we can't reasonably rely on everyone translating accurately, so please do try to keep chat to English

[teal lion]

okay

[mint canopy]

Thank you

I just don't want to encourage things like:

<slur in another language>
-# innocent text

[cloud rover]

小さい言葉を使って翻訳を書くのがいいと思うね
（ぼくも）使って書こう（じゃないか）

sorry, had to lol

[eager ledge]

Yes!

[next schooner]

but yeh with fascism it was like; rapid industrialisation massively changed the wways in which work, capital, and the class structure all functioned. Capital suddenly started flowing upwards in ways that it never quite had before but also suddenly all of the workers were living in very close proximity to one another and this turned them from just individual workers per se but more into a genuine, large, political force. Combine this with the uprisings all across europe in the mid 1800s and you had the old monarchic/conservatist order up in a massive panic.

Meanwhile, the liberals (do not read this as being related whatsoever to the american word "liberal", I'm talking actual classical liberalism) were stuck in the middle of these two groups and sometimes backed workers reformist kinda movements but also sided with the conservative factions when revolution started looking like a genuine threat.

It is from this fuckin mess that fascism emerges: as a reactionary movement which sought to combine nationalism and populism with - perhaps kinda most importantly and most overlooked - a common foundational "myth" for the "nation". It promised to stop the violence in the streets from revolutions and stuff and just do away with this whole democracy business because it provided a vision for rebuilding The Nation according to its perfect shape.

THEN. world war one happened. all of this tension that had been building fucking exploded. millions of people were thrown into fuckin industrialised warfare on a scale and of a sort whose horrors the modern mind cannot even begin to fathom. all the economies were fuckin wrecked, empires colllapsed, and a whole generation of men came back from the war with three important things: (1) a LOT of trauma (2) a LOT of anger and (3) weapons and the ability to use em. In germany, the treaty of versaille was viewed (quite fairly) as being absolutely fucking outrageous in terms of reparations and all that; OTOH, Italy, despite being on the winning side did not get any of what it expected to get from its participation in the war and this was viewed with similar distain. Inflation and unemployment and bolshevik/communist uprisings and street violence and all of this made the liberal democratic order look weak and entirely ineffectual at doing the one thing that liberals claimed it would do. Importantly, in both instances (and in many other countries - fascist movements were poppin off EVERYWHERE), it was a matter of people feeling that they had been wronged by the powers that be. Anyway fascism is a fascinating* thing to study especially since so much of it just, like, isn't what you'd expect. For example, it isn't really until Hitler becomes a big player that racism and race science became a part of fascist ideology at all. The italian fascists didn't really give a shit about it until a while later when they adopted explicit nazi-adjacent racist ideas.

-# * surpisingly, despite fascism and fascinate looking extremely similar not only in english but ALSO in the latin terms whence they originate (fascis and fascinum, respectively), there is no known etymological link between the words. also a fascinum was a lil amulet shaped like a penis that you could wear around your neck to ward off witches**
-# ** suprisingly, it is not actually known if wearing a fascinum actually wards off witches or not.

[cloud rover]

monolingual
-# intelligent fellow

[next schooner]

ok that took a while wowie

[cloud rover]

...I did not expect an entire text wall, wow

[next schooner]

i do that

[cloud rover]

oh shit I meant to put that the other way around to make it subvert expectations lmao

Such as:

可愛い [cute]
-# ugly

[next schooner]

its how i get the smods to comply with my divine wisdom i just write LOADS and then they get bored

[teal lion]

thank you, my japanese output is pretty broken

[agile fiber]

ratgirl: i have exhaustively elaborated my position in witthensteinian-neoconfucian 10 paragraph essay
smods:

[stark trench]

I am actually studying Wittgensteinian Chilean neo-Confucian poet Da Da Sing.

[teal lion]

i understand my verbs aren’t conjugated right, but why the 使って?

[next schooner]

I ain't even know if this is a joke or not

Even if it's true it's still a joke actually

[mint canopy]

Magma is saying it; it's no joke

[next schooner]

True

[mint canopy]

And by the way, I'd like to hear about them sometime

[teal lion]

Why did the treaty of versailles have such an effect when some other harsh post-war (not necessarily ww1) treaties did not?

[next schooner]

I been rereading the philosophical investigations and idk why but this shit got me thinking a LOT

[glossy marlin]

-# torr´s cabinet of curiosities covered a bit of that in a video about the insane wikipedia battle over Guy Standing sitting

-# there´s also "cetacean needed" :3

[ionic wraith]

The British media is going fucking insane on Polanski goddamn

The most egregious one being twisting the reporting of one Muslim and two Jewish persons being stabbed by a psych patient to ignore the Muslim victim and claim it to be an antisemitic attack

[next schooner]

This is a question where it's tempting to say that the reparameterisations Germany was forced to repay were just really uniquely bad compared to other nations but this isn't really true and it most definitely isn't the full picture

[eager ledge]

The history is complicated, but IIRC part of it was that Germany had to submit to these harsh conditions as a defeated enemy (in the full “vae victis” sense) even though the French/British/American forces barely set a foot in German territory.

[burnt ledge]

theres also the mosque that got firebombed being reported pretty heavily as a synagogue

[ionic wraith]

OH YEAH WTF “former synagogue” was the dominant phrase being thrown

[teal lion]

It doesn’t really answer my question, unfortunately

[next schooner]

I ain't got the time to type another whole wall of text that I'd need to try and explain why the armistice AND the treaty of Versailles was so impactful on Germany specifically but like

[ionic wraith]

Yeah I don’t trust any data on antisemitism, we can blame Zionists for that

[next schooner]

I do not recommend reading mein kampf it's not even interesting as a historical book it's just like ok dude this is boring but like go off I guess

[cloud rover]

Technically you can replace the first を使って ("using...") with で (instrumental case marking), but you kinda need either or because you're talking about the manner in which you're writing something and not the contents themselves

[halcyon aurora]

Why would we suggest mein kampf is good lol this is crazy. ratgirl has answers

[teal lion]

Did serial killers try often to publish manifestos before the unabomber?

[cloud rover]

If you wrote 小さい言葉を書く ("write small words"), you mean that the small words is the content that you're writing, not that that is HOW you're presenting the words you're writing

[verbal quest]

https://youtu.be/OFNnj69m-1g?

[glossy marlin]

at some point in the 2010s some guy said that with the (then) current state of the economy more fascistic parties would come into being and gain power.
guess what, the state of the economy didn´t change and we got a bunch of fascists.
the guy was Guy.
Guy Standing, an economist.
when the wikipedia page was created, the only public domain photo we had of him was of him sitting at a conference in europe iirc.
so... Guy sitting. Guy Standing sitting. Guy Standing on a chair. another photo was found... Guy Standing standing wishing he was sitting.

[cloud rover]

That said, in theory you could use 小さく instead, as an adverb, though in practice 言葉を小さく書く sounds more like you're "writing words small-ly", which while grammatical just sounds off ngl

Anyways thanks for coming to my oft-interrupted TEDTalk on language

[teal lion]

This seems wrong for any worldview that doesn’t depend directly on the male experience

[zealous garden]

if you publish a manifesto it becomes terrorism imo

[halcyon aurora]

Average Joe disagreed with Guy Standing, you should "Mein cup of Joe"

[ionic wraith]

[ionic wraith]

Polymarket should actually be nuked

[zealous garden]

okay, I'm done, nuke it all

[halcyon aurora]

I don't even think Hantavirus has person to person spread...? This is crazy lol

It's only spread by rats

[eager ledge]

Exactly one kind has it, apparently. I think it’s the WHO’s working assumption that it’s the one we’re dealing with…

[thorn aurora]

this is the 1000th virus i heard about that will "be a pandemic"

[zealous garden]

yeah, every one of them goes viral

[halcyon aurora]

It has limited human to human spread

[fallen mango]

@next schooner ive been tuning for 10 minutes waiting for your message

[halcyon aurora]

for a minority of strains

[thorn aurora]

covid made people think of new diseases being spread as abnormal just because one became widespread, and even then the death rate wasnt too bad

[thorn aurora]

what is he typing

[halcyon aurora]

death rate wasn't too bad is understatwment of the yeah but yk

[eager ledge]

The death rate for the hentavirus does not seem quite as low as covid, alas…

[thorn aurora]

they gotta keep that ship as far away from land as possible

[magic python]

Oooo disease talk!~

[thorn aurora]

all cuz of polymarkets insane bets

[unborn meteor]

do we have confirmed interhuman transmission

[magic python]

Oh gambling, yay

[next schooner]

For Germany the war ended in just, like, the worst possible way it could've ended. For starters, it was an armistice - this is very important, because the German people did not feel that they had been conquered. Then there's the fact that the armistice was signed by the kinda hastily thrown together liberal democratic government after the old imperial German system collapsed which made it extremely easy for anyone to blame the "parliamentarians" (I forget the correct term here) for, well, quite famously "stabbing the German people in the back".

Another thing was that it was just humiliating for any nation, but Germany was especially nationalistic already having only just actually formed as a nation in the first place so stuff like being forced to give away all of their overseas possessions was seen as just an ENORMOUS embarrassment.

All of this kinda poisoned the Wiemar republic the moment it was born, and the harshness of the reparations meant that the government didn't really have any kind of economic means to actually make lives of the German people any better - indeed, the republican government did some extraordinarily stupid shit like printing loads of money to devalue the currency on purpose to protest the reparations but obviously this caused inflation to go to the fuckin moon within Germany and all of this just fed into this core foundational myth that I alluded to earlier wherein the German people were betrayed. Then you get a guy with an outstanding ability to get a crowd into an uproarious righteous frenzy telling everyone it was the Jews and the Bolsheviks (who obviously were also controlled by the Jews) and the Liberals (Huh weird they're also Jews too) and the industrialist class (you get the idea). That guy is Hitler and he had a perfectly shaped solution to the most important problem that was plaguing the German zeitgeist. Didn't help that the conservatives thought they could control Hitler like they did with Mussolini (which didn't fuckin work like srsly how did they fall for it a second time) and also Von Hindenburg being the president (a) not giving a shit about politics at all he didn't have time for that he just wanted the kaiser back combined with (b) him going fuckin senile and yeah they kinda just... Gave power over to Hitler

[eager ledge]

I think that’s the WHO’s working hypothesis.

[thorn aurora]

and i thought sports betting was bad

[halcyon aurora]

This is really wrong and qnnoying

don't talk about Hantavirus like this lol

just look it up and ask a friend

[magic python]

What's next, bets that Fermats proof to his last theorem will be found and it indeed didn't fit in the margins?

[eager ledge]

You can start a market for it if you want.

[unborn meteor]

me when microdot

[magic python]

Wait i can???

[unborn meteor]

hmmmm legally idk

people over 21 definitely can in most places i think

[teal lion]

I don’t want to rule such worldviews out, but I’m trying to figure out what one would look like.

You could say that certain social issues affect males more than females, but that isn’t really defining a worldview, and it’s understandable to most people.

I am starting to wonder if a worldview is always understandable to other people in principle.
Perhaps if worldviews are taken to include some private language, the answer to that is no.

[magic python]

Who said I wanted legal, I wanted money.

[thorn aurora]

bet your life savings on that disease thing

[fallen mango]

ratgirl i just wanted to say your historical knowledge is very informative and well written throughout all of this chat

[magic python]

I have a random girl, is that enough?

Wait i don't want to double her

[unborn meteor]

[thorn aurora]

who is this lurker who keeps laugh reacting

[unborn meteor]

i'm not lurking

[magic python]

I know i wanted lesbian but not THAT lesbian I got the other day.

[thorn aurora]

lurking is my job pal

[unborn meteor]

NEW LORE?

[glossy marlin]

-# bet her, against it? hm...

[magic python]

No this is about the uh awkward kiss one

[next schooner]

thanks

[magic python]

This bitch is mocking me by letting me remember.

[thorn aurora]

you gotta explain more if you want me to understand since i never typed here before

[magic python]

Girl in my head is lesbian with me randomly and it's gotten more uncomfortable over time

[thorn aurora]

wdym in your head

[magic python]

I don't want to risk more

[glossy marlin]

-# plural(?)

[magic python]

https://tenor.com/view/in-my-head-all-in-here-head-it-is-all-in-here-gif-12841675

Oh speedy did i say I can visualize myself properly now

[halcyon aurora]

this is oddly similar to USA today

[magic python]

Now that was uncomfortable to find out the hard way.

[halcyon aurora]

And a very decemt discussion

[glossy marlin]

the solution is kinda getting more comfortable as people and explaining why it´s uncomfortable. or figuring out some stuff from the past or whatever, idk.

[halcyon aurora]

I didn't hear it like that

[magic python]

Okay I guess I knew before that instance but I didn't know it could be forced too

[next schooner]

Also the enabling act that actually gave Hitler control of Germany only narrowly passed and it was largely down to the fact that the catholic faction of the Reichstag who kinda at the last minute made the same mistake of thinking that they could control Hitler. Then Hitler just flat out instabanned them.

[magic python]

And I'm supposed to talk to her... how..? /genq

Wait hold on that is assuming someone like that would bother listening

[glossy marlin]

that´s the complicated bit.
what some people say is when there´s communication, focus on every bit of how it feels, not just what´s communicated and how that makes you feel. try to recreate it. try to "say" something, attach a thought or imagine a sound or whatever.

[next schooner]

Though there is a very interesting politically conflict throughout much of the war within Germany which at first seems kinda weird cus, like, the Nazis made politics illegal. But the catholic church was powerful enough that it was able to actually exert some pressure on Hitler at various points and in various ways

[magic python]

So just internally try to talk to myself and focus on the surroundings and stuff, doesn't sound the hardest

[next schooner]

I mean all of history is rich and fascinating but this period in particular (the rise and fall of fascism) is so important to understanding the West today

People should learn more about it cus uuhh

There be fascists again

[thorn aurora]

im only taking history because its required

[next schooner]

I applaud your lack of curiosity

[spring cradle]

is debate now considered taboo

[thorn aurora]

😂

[eager ledge]

I think worldviews are understandable, but not trivially explainable. That’s because they tend to “live” at a more “fundamental” level in your brain than verbal. So you can think you’re explaining your worldview, but instead inferring some sort of special rule from your intuitions that does not fit what your brain is actually running.

The metaphor I have in mind is the following: imagine a laptop with an “outsider module” that just looks at the computer’s output from the outside. You can ask it to give you a description of what the computer is doing based on its outputs, but it won’t necessarily match what the computer is actually doing under the hood, and their observations need not match what the computer would do in other situations.

(And if I’m being unclear, that only proves my point! 😂)

[glossy marlin]

yeah, surroundings can also matter.
there are like three plural channels in the valley where you could ask way more people about it. or of course the systems here.

[halcyon aurora]

The analogy of the previous German leader of the Weimar Republic going senile and then giving up power is a little eerie to modern events

and the whole "christians support world leader" but it won't last is possible too

[magic python]

Kinda been avoiding those because 1. My questions would all be stupid, and 2. I don't really think whatever "she" is is actually like that, considering all the interactions with it

[cloud rover]

The Weimar* Republic
-# "Wiemar" doesn't mean anything iirc

[halcyon aurora]

I was responding to ratgirl btw (apparently incorrectly and have edited the comment, since I can't spell)

[eager ledge]

No one could be so delusional as to think of certain current political leaders in the West “We can use them and they’ll stay our tool”.

[magic python]

Strange how it's awkward using inanimate or gender neutral pronouns on it sometimes

Oh well, pronouns aren't important for something not caring for them

[cloud rover]

On... what?

[halcyon aurora]

strikethrough necessary, if that's what you mean

[magic python]

if I knew I'd love this

The RandomGirl™

[glossy marlin]

hard to ask stupid questions about plurality unless they´re actively sterotyping it or such...
"girl in my head that gives me lesbian visions" can happen and just kinda sounds plural to me

[halcyon aurora]

Honestly, at this point my life, half od the things I feel I've "heard" from God are literally political events that became reality

[magic python]

Well popping up and just saying "Hey there is this girl in my head being uncomfortably lesbian to me, what do I do" sounds so weird

[halcyon aurora]

and like not saying that's all but I knew 10 years ago something was politically remiss, I just didn't know what it was yet

[cloud rover]

Hey that's called your mind, what you are experiencing are thoughts /hj

[magic python]

Not just any thoughts, but visual ones

[cloud rover]

"hey my superpower is that I can read minds, but at the moment I can only read my own one"
"bruh that's just calLED THINKING"

[glossy marlin]

might sound weird to you but I don´t think it´s super uncommon or awkward...

[halcyon aurora]

Extreme visualization (is this the correct term) is not too too uncommon or weird

[magic python]

Maybe if I think of a phrasing that doesn't seem to imply I assume I'm plural

[halcyon aurora]

having visions that influence you (ideas of reference?) are a little weird

[magic python]

I mean when sometimes accompanied by small physical sensations and when I can't stop them and when it is of whatever it has become I don't think that is not weird...

Oh and the "silent voice" nonsense

How could I forget being cut off and called a tsundere

[glossy marlin]

-# well, you could say you´re questioning whether you´re plural or not and have thoughts (and sometimes sensations) related to a consistent sapphic freak

[thorn aurora]

what does that mean "being plural"

[halcyon aurora]

Hallucinations = sensory disturbances that are not real.

Delusions = cognitive perceptions that are not real.

If I can be so rude, which do you think this falls under, Car?

[magic python]

Probably better for you to look it up

[glossy marlin]

I thought the distinction was that hallucinations could be perceived as in the environment

[thorn aurora]

is this something thats ok in my search history

[magic python]

... both..? Or like just hallucinations paired with intrusive thoughts...

[magic python]

I mean it's often related to trauma from what I've heard but not inherently nsfw

[halcyon aurora]

Do you believe "she" is real?

as in, that thing in your mind exists, and is not merely a facet of your mind

[magic python]

But wouldn't I be lying by saying I'm questioning?

[cloud rover]

hullabaloo

[halcyon aurora]

hush now

[thorn aurora]

ok i looked it up but now im wondering how does this idea even start

[glossy marlin]

many things.
the most basic explanation is there are many people in one head for some reason.
that might manifest as different vocabulary / grammar, different manners, different movements, different thought patterns, different identities, different memories, whatever
also trauma is not required. traumagenic and endogenic systems both exist and all experiences matter, the only affected part is whether or not it´s caused by trauma

[cloud rover]

It's typically diagnosed as having at least two distinguishable personalities that -

[magic python]

I don't believe it can feel or think, I more so believe it's just some symbol associated with thoughts of abuse for whatever reason that my mind forces on my in unconvenient places.

[cloud rover]

yh that (damn the slowmode is... well, slow)

[halcyon aurora]

Right, so you know what it is and it's not actually "a real thing", correct? You have no delusions, just hallucinations (sensory perceptions that are uncomfortable, sometimes impossible to stop)

[magic python]

That somehow manifested thought insertion delusions or whatever I'd call it a few times

[glossy marlin]

if you´re kinda thinking about it, you could say you´re questioning. it´s a reasonable explanation but could come from many things in theory

[cloud rover]

completely unrelated - how are you inputting ´ for your apostrophes? /gen

[halcyon aurora]

Do you feel like this subject takes an unusal significance to you? Does the experience mean something particularly important or special that other people don't understand?

[magic python]

I mean I don't, especially not with how real it feels sometimes (or at least used to). And it has been worsening my sanity I believe. I can't do pronouns in my head anymore, I need to talk out loud to get certain thoughts to stop internally, I think things I shouldn't/wouldn't normally, and the fact I can't make it stop is also weird

[halcyon aurora]

keyboards in different countries are different

[magic python]

I suppose, I might do that later then

[glossy marlin]

I have a ´` button because keyboard companies are weird
-# qwerty and azerty feel even more cursed

[magic python]

Idk it's pretty significant to view... that... while just trying to go about my day

[cloud rover]

No, that I am aware, but most layouts to my knowledge don't default-ly use a ´

[cloud rover]

oh scheisse which AZERTY version is this

[magic python]

And idk I wouldn't call "forced lesbianism" special

[halcyon aurora]

It obviously matters and is not ignorable. Does the experience when it happens lead you to believe it means something more than the symbol?

[thorn aurora]

what do you mean forced

[glossy marlin]

dw I have an unspecified qwertz layout

[cloud rover]

oh it's defo German /hj

Oh no it's the one where those apostrophe keys are near the number row isn't it

[glossy marlin]

inevitable sapphic thoughts

[magic python]

Forced as in the visuals I can't control often, and as in the fact it tries (and succeeded recently) to be lesbian with me.

[glossy marlin]

yep... idk where I got it

[magic python]

Basically, forced as in I didn't consent

[thorn aurora]

when you say it do you mean something in your head that you cant control or an actual person

[magic python]

I mean I have next to no memories of them besides the most recent one (even while my memory worked sorta I could never remember the interactions well), so I don't know

[cloud rover]

er... I think you don't need a shift key for it then; just type the key itself

[magic python]

Something in my head

A real person would uh be far worse

[glossy marlin]

-# that´s kinda the question. is it thoughts or a person

[magic python]

Also like, they'd be committing crimes if they were real so like

Wait no I guess the one falls under the other

[thorn aurora]

if its in your head how can it be a person?

[glossy marlin]

hm... do you(?) ever think, speak, etc. differently

[halcyon aurora]

it's not a real person

I was asking Car's perception and Car confirmes that

[thorn aurora]

i feel like this is something that you should seek professional help for, no?

[halcyon aurora]

Yeah it's been coming up daily.

[magic python]

Speaking I can't tell outside of the instance I called myself Sylvia out of nowhere.

And thinking differently is something i know happens sometimes, not like myself

[glossy marlin]

sometimes there are not just personalities but different identities and memories, maybe even interactions between them

[glossy marlin]

okay uh... very interesting

[magic python]

Professional help for checks notes what a doctor would immediately class as fantasies..?

[halcyon aurora]

Have you even seen a counselir to know what they would say?

[thorn aurora]

this seems pretty serious idk how else you would try to deal with it

and if its in your head, isnt it a "fantasy" that you need help getting rid of, or do you think of it as something more real?

[glossy marlin]

there´s uh... kinda a war about systems in psychiatry. and the plural community. and most doctors would just say you´re schizophrenic or whatever no matter what.

[halcyon aurora]

exactly, this is my critical question

[magic python]

I mean I haven't because this started recently, but I don't see how someone in the medical field wouldn't assume fantasies in my position

[thorn aurora]

well there probably is some disorder happening that they can diagnose

[magic python]

A fantasy is supposed to be enjoyable.

[halcyon aurora]

Because fantasies are in your head, not distressing and definitely not a literal sensation of trauma you can't stop

[thorn aurora]

idk a better word but what i mean is something in your head

[glossy marlin]

so you called yourself sylvia out of nowhere, sometimes think differently, there´s a consistent picture of you and her, anything else?
-# also random question have I told you about median systems

[cloud rover]

Slight nitpick - and I'm by no means a medical expert - from what I know, schizophrenia is when you hear voices from an external source that don't actually exist; but this is about hearing a voice that feels like it's a part of oneself

[halcyon aurora]

This line of reasoning is intentionally problematic, you are attempting to create an issue, not resolve one.

[magic python]

I mean it's not a literal sensation of trauma, I don't feel everything. I just see everything, I only feel pressures or a faint hand sometimes in an area expected if that were to be happening in real life.

[halcyon aurora]

Do you see or hear anything (not like, with your eyes or whatever, but like vivid sensations)

[glossy marlin]

what you described is more like pop schizophrenia. schizophrenia can be more subtle and appear in many ways, and it can also be way more extreme

[magic python]

I've learnt about median, and calling myself Sylvia out of nowhere was probably the least weird part about that conversation with myself

[magic python]

I see it all

Especially when I close my eyes and if I'm unlucky it feels like I am there.

[halcyon aurora]

Is it only visual and kinesthetic

[magic python]

I mean supposedly I heard a proper voice during the first instance

[glossy marlin]

the issue already exists, we´re kinda trying to figure out what it is and how it behaves in this conversation

[thorn aurora]

i dont think chatting about it here would affect it much

[halcyon aurora]

This just sounds like trauma to me, not like a hallucination I think. It's "going back to an event", with whatever else Car is fighting

[magic python]

Maybe thinking about this helps me.

[halcyon aurora]

if you trigger a trauma that's problematic, and that has happened in the chat before (I'm not trying to minimod, I'm literally just saying that's bad)

[magic python]

I WASNT ||SA-ED|| OMG (tw: abuse)

[glossy marlin]

well, that´s the alternative...
-# trauma can also cause hallucinations or create systems

[magic python]

Well not like actually

[cloud rover]

tbf, it doesn't necessarily have to be ... that ... for trauma to be induced

It can come from other events

[halcyon aurora]

correct but

Car wants us to know and has made us desl with it

[magic python]

I mean I'd assume whatever imagery it causes would b related...

[magic python]

I haven't made you do anything...

[cloud rover]

I was gonna add, detachment can induce trauma iirc

[cloud rover]

yh phrasing lol

[glossy marlin]

can be related, unrelated, more extreme, less extreme, whatever

[halcyon aurora]

idk yh. I started the is it real comments to talk about it hear. Give the people what they want.

[magic python]

I mean I can't deny trauma in general, but I am pretty sure I don't have much if any

[halcyon aurora]

Ok so it's not directly a physical trauma that occurred

[magic python]

I mean I assume not

[late marlin]

Anybody here familiar with Gina Wilson all things algebra ? If so please dm

[glossy marlin]

-# probably not. unless it´s hiding itself

[magic python]

Yeah that's why I can't deny it

[glossy marlin]

#math-discussion or whatever

[halcyon aurora]

Has Car been able to determine that this is hiding?

I literally have no concept of the perception here, others do I believe

[glossy marlin]

that´s the problem with trauma that hides itself (most trauma)

[halcyon aurora]

I don't think you understand my question, I was asking Car if she feels the trauma is hidden somehow (or is trauma at all)

[magic python]

I wouldn't say i have trauma, no.

[halcyon aurora]

right, so let's not beat around the bush, let's just reckon a bit I guess

It's not trauma but there is a visual thing that's decidely not real, that Car believes is not real, and is something that is disturbing to Car and cannot always be stopped. That's all that we need to state today. But we keep having the same thread trying to figure that out everytime, at least I'm caught up now and can synthesize this better.

[magic python]

I mean the issue is I can't tell if it isn't real when it happens.

[halcyon aurora]

ok so you actually do have a temporary delusion then (I'm sorry I silenced that, it feels very vivid and real in the moment)

[glossy marlin]

-# delusions, hallucinations, something like that

[halcyon aurora]

actually the whole "it's real for a minute or two" is helpful

[magic python]

Or I guess I can tell it's not real in the sense the spot I am in I physically can't be (places I've never seen outside of the visions), but it feels real, feels nothing like how normally visualizing things myself used to feel, it feels like I am also there at the same time as being wherever I actually am

Back when it happened on consecutive days, when it would happen I sometimes "saw" both that and my real vision when I had my eyes opened, glad now that keeping my eyes open stops the visuals almost entirely

Except for the weird instances with sensation

[halcyon aurora]

That's very hard for me to perceive but that makes sense. Like it's literally like Split Fiction but it's your visual perception

[glossy marlin]

so it´s a hallucination but not as strong as the usual stimuli?

[halcyon aurora]

I'm not naming this, I'm asking questions

[halcyon aurora]

it's equally strong in the past I think, it takes over some but not as much now.

[magic python]

It's most often like a pressure, except for the one time it felt like an actually hand gripping me, but the pressure never feels "proper" in the sense that someone actually doing that would cause the same feeling, it's softer, less aggressive than the visions tend to show, and kinda just there, not doing anything, I never even realize when they stop fully

[ionic wraith]

oooh this is a topic I've been sorta interested in but didn't really characterize into words (tw Epstein, beauty standards)

[magic python]

It wasn't obvious this was linked to both ||pedophilia and misogyny||? (Same trigger warnings I suppose)

[ionic wraith]

I got that, I just wanna know more details

[magic python]

Oh fair

[ionic wraith]

honestly teenage modeling should be banned because wtf

[magic python]

Especially considering the adjective sexy being commonly used...

God that reminds me of a disgusting video with footage from one

I never wanted to hear sexy or hot used to refer to someone of that age, nor the term "revealing outfit" combined with those.

[magic python]

I mean it feels like someone is actually physically touching me, just not like how the visions would suggest

[ionic wraith]

love how trans women are called predators when the cishet megablock pushes so much fucked inherently predatory tendencies

[glossy marlin]

yeah, that was... sorta my experience with phantom sensations / hallucinations
e.g. I´d feel wings, but it wouldn´t feel the same if I actually had wings, those would perceive temperature, pressure, the flow of air, collide with furniture, get in the way of clothing etc. or that with tails or cat ears or different kinds of legs or falling or having hands all over me...

[magic python]

I'm honestly glad the hands don't move

[glossy marlin]

-# makes sense. I had that

[magic python]

Oh yeah, I hate how the mind can just make up sensations for the fun of it

[magic python]

Would be scary if they did I won't lie

Based on how the visuals have gotten more extreme since the start

[halcyon aurora]

This is a common experience here. It's not schizophrenia, I know what it is, but I don't personally experience it. This server is partly built around these experiences (one corner if you will). They are common to multiple people here, but not to everyone.

[magic python]

They never claimed it was schizophrenia....

[halcyon aurora]

It was mentioned in passing as though someone thought about it, I'm just saying it's not schizo

[halcyon aurora]

I agree this is a pejorative term when used negatively

[glossy marlin]

yeah, at least for you...
-# I´d exchange it for my brainfog and such

[magic python]

It was mentioned the medical system calls plurality schizophrenia in some cases.

[halcyon aurora]

Plurality is not schizophrenia

Apparently plurality if you will is a "diagnosis" to many though

[magic python]

I mean im not saying it would be the worst, so long as they are not every single day I don't think I'd hate them the most, at least it'd feel like something more than the visuals do

[glossy marlin]

true, but the medical system sucks.

[magic python]

I know this.

[halcyon aurora]

true, true

the medical system is hard to work with, especially with psychiatry. Other conditions are more reasonable, just depends which system and all

That's another debate however

[glossy marlin]

there are various somehow related diagnoses. if the plurality itself is disordered, there´s stuff like DID, OSDD-1a, OSDD-1b, etc., it can stem from various other problems including PTSD and schizophrenia.
plurality itself isn´t a diagnosis and doesn´t always need one. plurality just kind of is. it´s a lot of things, in a lot of people, with different relationships to it.
-# but there are of course the few that will only accept plurality if it´s a diagnosis. same as for trans people. you´ll only be accepted as a person or peer if you´re not just a freak, but a certified weirdo

[magic python]

I mean the fact people are trying to "prove DID is fake" using actual studies says enough i need to know about how hostile they are to that

Oh yeah the traumagenic vs endogenic debate

[magic python]

yet another reason I'd rather not claim to have it icl

[halcyon aurora]

I find it interesting people think this isn't real

[glossy marlin]

yep... traumagenic vs endogenic. disordered vs nondisordered. traumagenic <=> disordered. the ancient practices involving making oneself plural. whether plural people exist at all.

[halcyon aurora]

THAT'S crazy town, like that's so rrpressive

it's really real yk?

[magic python]

It's something about how supposedly certain symptoms manifest more in places where that's how plurality is represented in media as being

tfw it can manifest far before media exposure

[magic python]

Oh yeah I forgot about the tulpamancy thing and that it's a debate if it classes as plural (even more so than endogenic because in this case it's often self inflicted iirc, which is probably more controversial...)

[magic python]

tfw it mostly manifests before like the age of 14 as well

Or so I've heard at least

Then again, nowadays people are exposed to media far younger...

Idk I won't deny someone because I've heard even FDIS plurality or whatever can be horrible still, if someone says they experience it I won't deny it, not my place

I mean even of they were entirely faking everything, no struggles, it isn't my place to point that out.

[glossy marlin]

-# first result is münchhausen
-# yeah, faking it is hard, and in case it actually appears it can also suck

[magic python]

I believe that is FDIS that first part

[glossy marlin]

yeah, now apparently called "factitious disorder imposed on self"

[magic python]

It's actually related to a form of abuse iirc, fictitious disorder imposed on others

Basically forcing a disorder onto someone else for attention if I'm remembering the basics of it

[ionic wraith]

[glossy marlin]

yep, there are some famous cases of that.
-# including a woman who killed her child with salty feeding bags...

[magic python]

Yep, it's sad

[glossy marlin]

yeah...

[magic python]

this is also different from genuinely thinking someone has a disorder and trying to get them treatment, in this case you often do things to make the other person present symptoms of the disorder, which uh often is very abusive

Or at least that's how most famous cases happened iirc

[glossy marlin]

well, that´s some other famous cases

[true zinc]

Generally 11ish

[halcyon aurora]

yeah my limited reading of this is before 11

[true zinc]

Faking is really not that hard, the hard part is the guilt that comes with it

Like I'm sorry but to everyone who says faking is rare or uncommon, you are sadly wrong

[magic python]

Oh my sources were generous

[true zinc]

Too generous

[magic python]

Is it more than other things that are often faked for attention?

[true zinc]

Also like, there are to my understanding detectable medical changes that various alters can cause that can be detected and stuff

So it is possible to literally tell if someone has it in some cases with brain scans

[magic python]

Oh nice so the people who were trying to "disprove it" are cranks

[true zinc]

Sadly quite common, esp after covid

[magic python]

Yeah...

[glossy marlin]

guilt would be somewhat common with anything münchhausen, I´ve heard of like one or two cases where someone faked plurality so far (but got found out) (maybe)

[true zinc]

It's very easy to slip up

[magic python]

Luckily intrusive lesbian thoughts aren't serious

[true zinc]

Personally I'm genuinely shocked how many people say I'm not faking with how fucking obvious it is to me

Like people will literslly fall for anything these days

[magic python]

Wait did I ever legitimately claim that back while the visions were occurring on consecutive days or was I rational then

[glossy marlin]

at least frequently, if that´s true of all plurality, but alters can look very similar on those scans...

[true zinc]

For example, thoughts that only appear after the fact to a conversation but then interspersed to make the conversation seem as if it's between two people

Premeditated actions which I actively see in my mind and actively extrapolate the outcomes of before then assigning it to whoever would be "most likely" from past behaviour to act in that manner and then say it was their actions

I can keep going

[true zinc]

I don't think so

[magic python]

Thank god

[true zinc]

Similar yes, identical no

[glossy marlin]

-# awkward wording...

[true zinc]

Even if I've been gaslit into gaslighting everyone I know into thinking I'm plural so well that everyone refuses to acknowledge any other possibility, I can explain some of what I've done or seen in fakers

[verbal quest]

[glossy marlin]

a scan on one person can also look different in one minute from the way it does the next if they make use of different parts of the brain or have a different emotion, iirc

[true zinc]

Sorry, I'm saying that the ways I'm faking are so deathly obvious to me that I can call other people out if/when I see it to some degree that I'm shocked most other people don't see it or try to come up with any rationalization they can to just confirmation-bias me

[verbal quest]

I'm no mind reader
but I can read some minds rn

[magic python]

didn't you at one point think I might be plural due to the visuals and how it was the same girl the second time

[true zinc]

Probably, idk what the fuck I was on at that point

[glossy marlin]

as in you´re actually faking it and can´t help the community in any way except pointing out when others seem to be faking it / saying how you do that, or it´s still awkward wording

[true zinc]

No you're basically right except I don't really do it to help the community, rather just if I run across people I scrutinize them heavily esp if they say they're plural

I mean it's such a controversial diagnosis that is very hard to actually get

[magic python]

I don't know what I was on almost believing it either, considering how little had happened at the time

[glossy marlin]

and you´re 100% sure you´re not doing that to some systems or whatever

how do you do it

[halcyon aurora]

what does this meannnnn lol

[true zinc]

I mean, I might be, but I can't just sneak into other people's heads and confirm or deny anything, but I just know the pattern of behaviour I exhibit

[verbal quest]

read the recent chat and achieve the same enlightenment

[true zinc]

For example earlier today, one of my friends was shockrd that I said the time in 12hr format rathee than 24hour format, I usually only ever say the time in 24 hour format and frankly remember almost nothing of that exchange

[subtle magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/garten-buddha-meditation-spirit-gif-1377733911702884643

[true zinc]

This is someone who strongly believes that I am plural when really it could just be a lapse in choice of wording

[halcyon aurora]

The problem is you're right and wrong, I'm afraid.

[true zinc]

But that also doesn't exlain the massive memory gaps

[magic python]

Wait that was back when speedy suggested dating the intrusive thought RandomGirl™ 😭

[true zinc]

what the fuck

@unborn meteor Please explain yourself.

[magic python]

Jokingly of course

[verbal quest]

https://tenor.com/view/meditation-gif-17436395583685247793

[halcyon aurora]

This actually made me wheeze

but also inappropriate for the channel so watch for mods lol

[magic python]

Remember me calling speedy a traitor? That was after the third instance where it uh was weird

[true zinc]

Oh and there's the voice of "y'know you really need to stop being in denial" lmfao the only thing I'm in denial of is how much I'm gaslighting myself holy shit

[subtle magnet]

Patrick is as serious as a serious discussion can get.

[verbal quest]

it's not inappropriate for the channel
it's on topic
also, the channel doesn't specify that all chat has to be serious, just that serious chat belongs here

[true zinc]

Frankly even if jokingly this does seem to have had a negative impact on your health...

[halcyon aurora]

"We have technology"

[magic python]

I mean she didn't directly cause whatever happened in the third occurance...

[halcyon aurora]

ok fair. I guess it just says higher quality discussion so

[verbal quest]

so just shitpost at odd hours

[magic python]

To be fair I was also playing into the joke and maybe slightly considering it at that time

[subtle magnet]

Saint Patrick raises the quality of course

[true zinc]

Whatever I need to go shower

[glossy marlin]

-# yeah that seems to be pretty common

[verbal quest]

I'm not gonna pretend I know what TCC is truly saying and it's probably better I don't

[glossy marlin]

there´s having an experience, feeling like you´re faking it, and actually deliberately faking it, and I can´t tell what it is here

[ionic wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/war-dogs-war-dogs-movie-stressed-facepalm-gif-1909588309234094885

[true zinc]

I think it's A

[ionic wraith]

The states are California, Arizona, and Georgia

[verbal quest]

dw, they're gonna be sent on spirit air to meet RFK Jr and get cured by eating raw roadkill and working out with Kid Rock

[zealous garden]

Do you guys believe your organs can talk to you

[glossy marlin]

they certainly like to complain to some people in their own weird ways

stomach? hurts. intestines? hurt. most things hurt wherever they are. all the joints also hurt. liver? makes you green or something. lungs? harder to breathe, maybe you feel pressure.
but they can´t talk in the classical sense

[halcyon aurora]

Is this true?

[ionic wraith]

Yeah it’s called referred pain when they upsetty spaghetti

[full hornet]

i feel like this whole situation is rather overblown? im hesitant to get excited about it

[ionic wraith]

I hope it’s a nothing burger because

1. my first clinical rotation is internal medicine
2. internal medicine involves a lot of intubating patients
3. hatanvirus causes major respiratory arrest

[full hornet]

yeah i'm eyeing this with concern

i'm high-risk seeing as i have chronic lung disease

if i get ts i'm fucked

[ionic wraith]

[ionic wraith]

Which disease if you don’t mind me asking

[full hornet]

uh its kinda rare don't want to doxx

it's interstitial & genetic

[ionic wraith]

Gotcha gotcha

[true zinc]

Hantavirus would fuck me up

[ionic wraith]

Yeah that is rare, usually interstitial stuff comes from working in industrial sites for decades

I was so stupid to vape when I got Covid lol

But doing nothing was terrible so getting high and vaping nicotine felt like the only thing to do

[full hornet]

https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease-outbreak-news/item/2026-DON599 this publication from 2 days ago indicates a 'low risk'

[true zinc]

Yeah knowing the trump admin they'll downplay everything

[ionic wraith]

Sometimes I wonder how severe my long COVID is

[full hornet]

this is the WHO

[ionic wraith]

I do think something changed after

[full hornet]

which the us is not a member of

[true zinc]

ah oops

I may have misread the link, sorry

[full hornet]

if this does get to the US not a thing will be done about it

[thorn aurora]

Man wdym excited 😭

[full hornet]

by 'excited' i mean 'worried' lol

[thorn aurora]

I don’t want another pandemic when I’m actually in high school this time 💔

[dense void]

A pandemic during a fuel crisis, during legit WW3, during a financial collapse where every US dollar is worth 37% less (or even less) than it did this time last year? nahhhhh that's not supposed to happen! On a serious note, y'all buckle up cuz it's gonna be a bumpy ride for every citizen of every country

[slate turret]

I think this time, people won't be adhering to curfews or restrictions as much as last time.

[dense void]

I'm not going to be surprised, nor will I be surprised if Ml Lw gets invoked in full effect

[full hornet]

yea, which is scary

[halcyon aurora]

It's not a pandemic

Nor will it be.

[thorn aurora]

Yeah

[grim torrent]

this shit has like 5 cases 😭

though tbf i laughed at covid 19 when it had 5 cases

[halcyon aurora]

I didn't hear about COVID until it had 70, back in January

This Hantavirus has maximum 12 confirmed cases, and although it might spread human to human, it's not like the ship is frighteningly all aick

The recent outbreak has no obvious mutations, it's just the special strain, and there's been like 10 cases out of 150 ish people on board this ship.

It spreads through rats, and this strain mildly spreads occasionally through people ... the guy who brought it to the ship somehow transmitted it to his wife and the doctor, and those three are the only deaths, the rest got treated. In short, it's not a global risk, very low chances for a small group to have a mutation.

[grim torrent]

if there's another pandemic i'm going to go crazy with matematic

[livid walrus]

found my fellow LADR fan

[livid walrus]

I'd heard about it months after jan 2020

[old oak]

I really wonder how the next global pandemic is going to go, I anticipate much harsher resistance to any kind of lockdown attempts

[maiden panther]

Why? I think, the lockdown was successful in some places.

[stoic tusk]

😢

[cerulean sage]

😔

[glass peak]

Have you seen the US? Or even the UK rn, I dont think people would be at all up for it

[grim torrent]

Why are you assuming the next global pandemic would be in our generation tho

[glass peak]

To be honest I dont think the US would even impliment a lockdown right now, especially not with Robert "Doesnt believe in germs" Kenedy

[glass peak]

It would be nice if not

[grim torrent]

If two pandemics happened within the span of a few years I don't think the world would be that cooperative the second time around, regardless of time period or generation or country or administration. But pandemics don't happen close to eachother so /shrug

[maiden panther]

We should just all call him that.

[untold charm]

okay but ushouldnt hate on him so much he is a genuis atleast he found the true source of autism!!

[slate turret]

It should also be much easier to spread diseases considering how interconnected we are compared to the past. Higher magnitude in air travel and trade

[untold charm]

yes but it should be mentoined that this time when we found the virus it was only 12 ppl who are infected (unlike corona 70) and also it seems to be less transsmisable and treatable..

if we assume it really is hantavirus

[slate turret]

Well, we'll know the seriousness of it about a month or two from now.

[untold charm]

true it would be kinda funny if isay this now and a onth later i am ded lol..

but idk maybe i am a little hopefull..

[slate turret]

I hope not

You have a future that needs to be ventured

[untold charm]

well i will be finee afterall i am millions of kilometers away from earth ;3

its you mortal who are in danger

[slate turret]

Lol then I'll be transporting the virus in that case 🐀

[twin pasture]

likely that it'll blow over really

[severe spoke]

I love parrots

[ionic wraith]

Trump supporters are actually mentally gone

[devout cliff]

In the US the another round of lockdowns is probably a non starter for most of the country tbh

[full hornet]

yeah and a non-starter for this admin

[devout cliff]

The economy still hasn’t recovered from the first one, no chance we would hurt it again for a second

[quick beacon]

To be fair, this is more taken as a question of how much you like the president, as I don't think many Democrats actually think an 8 year old boy could take him.

I could take him. My wife is 5'3", and I'm not entirely sure she could take him just based on the difference in reach, but she does work out, so I'd give her the edge. But an 8 year old? That's just silly.

[devout cliff]

It also depends if we catch him before he eats a handful of prescription amphetamines and three diet cokes and two big macs or not

Honestly have no idea how he’s so healthy 😂

[quick beacon]

Honestly, even though I could beat him up, he'd probably shit his pants in the process, and that's gross. Probably wouldn't want to deal with that

[devout cliff]

If he’s slicked up from a recent spray tan that might complicate it also

I hate this visual

[cloud edge]

Hello. Random question but does anyone have the source code for the mods?

[heavy pagoda]

Covid was lowkey goated I wouldn’t mind another lockdown

[flat harbor]

tinted glasses speaking for u fr

[ionic wraith]

[heavy pagoda]

i had time to do whatever i wanted to do all day without having to bother with all of the constraints of normal life

[cloud edge]

Does anyone know who i shoudl even ask for this?

[dreamy crag]

Being a jack of all trades master of none is pretty useful until there is one specific thing you want to be good at and you just arnt like at all

[halcyon aurora]

Yes, you should ask a mod. They keep all their source code in a downloadable file that anyone can access /s

[heavy pagoda]

is /s sarcastic or serious

[old oak]

Seriously sarcastic

[odd narwhal]

What does this mean

[odd narwhal]

An 8 year old boy can just jump on his back and start choking him out and his tiny weak hands won't be able to help

[quick beacon]

Doing a Fezzik vs Man in Black, I see.

[odd narwhal]

That's how I'd fight larger kids as a kid (wouldn't choke em out though I'm not stupid or evil)

[cloud edge]

The bots are coded right? I was wondering if anyone has the source code

[cloud edge]

Ok

<@&268886789983436800> Do any of you have the source code for the bots?

[quick beacon]

You can find the public portion of the bot on GitHub

[cloud edge]

Do you have a link?

[quick beacon]

https://github.com/discord-math/bot

[cloud edge]

Thank you

[viscid matrix]

Guys is it true that if u couldn't get a number between 2 number x and y, does that result in both being the same?

[quick beacon]

Yes, that is true

[old oak]

Well, it is in the real numbers

[viscid matrix]

U saying there are numbers other than real numbers?

[quick beacon]

If x and y are two real numbers which are different. Then we can consider the number (x+y)/2

[old oak]

Yes, but also I mean that you can't get a natural number that's between 2 and 3, yet 2 and 3 aren't the same

[quick beacon]

Integers for instance

[viscid matrix]

Like is pi a real number?

[quick beacon]

Yes pi is a real number

[viscid matrix]

So what is non - real number?

[viscid matrix]

Oh now I understand ur question, and yes

[quick beacon]

Well, there are several systems of numbers. For instance, what if I told you that we can construct a system of numbers that have only finitely many different values, but addition, multiplication, algebra, etc all works more or less how you'd expect?

[flat harbor]

thats nice

[quick beacon]

Such systems of numbers do exist, and we use them in our computers for certain tasks, such as encryption and data redundancy.

[viscid matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-what-gif-3784745843284049350

[quick beacon]

That's an example of numbers that do most everything we want from real numbers, but are in a certain sense not a subset of the real numbers.

[viscid matrix]

So u saying that I can make this '§' a non real number which equals to both 6 and 4827?

[quick beacon]

No...

[viscid matrix]

I thought u said I can construct a system

[quick beacon]

Ok, here is a very simple and small example: consider just the numbers 0 and 1. But we define addition such that 1 + 1 = 0

[viscid matrix]

What would happen if 0+0?? Infinity??

[quick beacon]

Oh, join me in #math-discussion this is the wrong channel for this.

[red sleet]

Hi guys, im doing an undergrad in maths, i love it. I love the rigor i love everything i love analysis i just love it a lot but i dont know what to do for a career and would truly appreciate some advice. I wouldn’t wanna do quant because I don’t know if i will get to do enough math (for context im a third year) and want a role in the future that is maths, maybe research but i also want to have good pay. Can anyone advice, prefferably with what they did and if this is a common point for a lot of math students. Thank you!

[limber cloak]

hey

[devout cliff]

Try to stack up some applied math or statistics electives, do projects/internships and network. Even if you don’t go the quant route there’s still a lot of analyst positions in business/finance. With stats/CS you can go the data route. Pretty much every degree now requires a lot of learning outside of your program, projects, internships and networking to break in and nothings guaranteed

When you go to an interview you’re essentially giving a sales pitch, you’ll have to put some thought into how you can craft a narrative on why your knowledge brings value and increased profit to their organization

Quant isn’t really a serious route for many, it’s like mechanical engineers wanting to work on a formula 1 team. Sure it happens but it’s probably similar success rates

[ionic wraith]

Crazy how transphobes dismiss intersex people by calling them defective and infertile, ver fascist talking points

[idle steppe]

They lack empathy

[ionic wraith]

Saw videos that talked about the rise of insurgencies in Lebanon, Kashmir, Iraq, and Vietnam and the theme is that the channel basically spends 10 minutes going over all the suicide bombings and scorched Earth tactics figuring that was the only way the oppressors would listen.

Crazy that certain conditions create people so committed to die for a cause

[tepid lily]

Do you think this people are brave?

[ionic wraith]

It’s either bravery or absolute nihilism

[formal turtle]

Hey

[red sleet]

Thank you very much!

[red sleet]

Hi

[tawdry gorge]

[thorn aurora]

hi

[analog mist]

hi

[hot sentinel]

hi

[magic python]

Why do people say that people aren't trying to remove and have removed transgender (or more generally other minorities) rights? Are the rights in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights not human rights?

Want me to list some?

[hot sentinel]

transformers are metal more like unhuman

[halcyon aurora]

Required reading

[hot sentinel]

my bad but i tried to hold back, yk ima transform to serious now

[halcyon aurora]

Ok, and you think that these rights are not denied to Trans people (the first part merely defined that?) There are also later rights defined, like social and economic rights broadly.

[magic python]

Okay I'll list the main ones by the article number in the Declaration

2. (This discrimination is based on them being trans, violating this one)
   3*. (Technically broken by hate crimes, but only asterisk due to that being a technicality and not well known to be done by institutions)
3. (Transgender people were and still are ||trafficked|| heavily, though the most major case being ||Jeffery Epstien|| (tw: abuse+SA))
4. (Basically the same as 4, but degrading punishment is also sort of normalized in some places, so...)
5. (Do I even need to explain how trans people both now and historically in many places weren't recognized as people..?)
6. (Transgender people don't get equal help with things violating 4 and at least anecdotally are discriminated against with protection)
   9*. (ICE supposedly has been taking away transgender individuals visas. Plus the many stories of discriminatory arrest. Though it gets an asterisk because I cannot provide sources right now.)
7. (Same as gay people both now and in the past, marriage is not exactly the easiest... plus, forced marriage is probably a thing based on 4.)
8. (Look up the definition of transphobia)
9. (Oh look! Rebranded 18)
   23*. (Gender discrimination in the workforce exists, and minorities are discriminated against as well, so one can infer transgender being a minority they get discrimination here)
   25*. (If we count mental health as well-being, transgender people often get denied or put through year long processes trying to "force them to be cis again" and this is not good mentally, but well-being is ambiguous, so not exactly 100% breaking this)
   26*. (Last time I heard, minorities still get discrimination in education in some places, though I don't know for sure if trans people do, I can only assume this one)

27*. (Transgender people get hate despite the countless studies showing how safe it is, how little it is regretted, and so on, but tend to get "pushed out" from what I know, though this may not directly violate this)
30*. (Government's denying trans rights, though I guess they don't twist these rights to do it)

These are all the ones I know of being broken.

There are some I can't parse properly wo they may also be broken just without my knowledge

1. Does not seem to be broken

[halcyon aurora]

nvm I just realized Jebson is new

[magic python]

Asterisks mean broken technically but you could reasonably argue it isn't broken

[halcyon aurora]

I didn't read all your arguments Car, but at a minimum being Trans is an expression, and freedom of expression should be allowed as a right. So that would be somewhere in 18-22

[magic python]

4. Can be argued to happen with many people, but it's still a violation of the trans persons rights, and it also is due to fetishizing trans people as well

[halcyon aurora]

What's the complaint that this came up originally for you? Someone said the rights document wasn't related to Trans activism?

[magic python]

Why is it changing 18 and 19 to 17 and 18

[halcyon aurora]

your keyboard?

[magic python]

No I tried editing it...

[magic python]

I'm talking about how people still claim trans people's rights aren't being taken, these are ones that have been taken

[halcyon aurora]

It's likely autocorrecting at the keyboard level, uf you type one number it may automatically change to another very swiftly if you often make that change in the past. I have autocorrect off.

[magic python]

17 is not violated to my understanding

[magic python]

It literally says 18 and 19 when I edit it, but it shows 17 and 18 in the message, it is not my keyboard

I was making a joke, dw

[halcyon aurora]

To be clear to everyone, I just was trying to understand lol

[magic python]

18 and 19 are about freedom of expression, that's why I just say "look up transphobia"

[halcyon aurora]

this says in order "18, 19, 17, 18"

[magic python]

17 is about property....

It also added spaces between the one and the 6/7 so like

Discord is being weird with formatting I think

[halcyon aurora]

That might be the Discord edit takinf a second to go through (Discord messages are server level, they don't exist on your phone sorta)

[magic python]

(To be fair I believe it is mainly Americans i hear saying trans rights aren't being stripped so like... it'd make sense they don't know)

[magic python]

It was 18 and 19 when i sent it, discord formatted it weirdly as shown by the small space in them

[halcyon aurora]

I think there are ignorant people everywhere idk

[magic python]

To be fair I mainly hear Americans being transphobic due to the content I consume, and the occasional less vocal transphobe from somewhere else, so it's just because I hear more from Americans so I get to hear the more stupid arguments

As there are only so many arguments transphobes can say before going to the 100% wrong from a single search arguments

(Now, saying trans rights aren't being taken away can also just be a lack of understanding and not blatant transphobiak but it is also something transphobes use, rather stupidly at that.)

I mean if you can legitimately tell me my example for 4. Isn't slavery I'll give it to you

Humans have the right to not be slaves, so...

4 is basically the main one there outside of 18 and 19 that are blatant (and 2, but 2 is based on the others being stripped because the person was trans)

That's a lot more violations than I thought though...

Didn't even know some of these were rights

||on the island|| trans people were also explicitly hurt. (Tw abuse)

Plus, just because other people get rights taken away more, doesn't mean trans people don't

[untold charm]

in general near almost near every minority group is discriminated against in some sort of way or another if u are not aware of it then the media has done its job to portary those ppl (who are discrimanted against) as the issue and not the ppl in power but in general if u pick up any history book any sane academic would realise than maybe dismrimination agaisnt minorities isnt so good... there are many studies on this but icansee how if it wouldnt affect you personally you wouldnt really care about the topic much

[next schooner]

is this shitwit srsly trying to argue that trans people are not subject to structural oppressive forces like literally everywhere all the time

[magic python]

Honestly I assumed maybe like at most 5 were stripped actively...

That's uh, that's a lot more than 5...

[untold charm]

you should compare each to thier own total ratio yes this is true because in total more women exsist but if u compare the ratio out of each total respectively u might get some intresting answers..

[next schooner]

my guess...
I also believe...
real compelling rhetoric

[magic python]

As a trans person in Canada, my mental health isn't exactly considered all too much medically from what I've seen.

I have objective ones too!

[next schooner]

"doesn't appear" means you aren't seeing it

Not that it isn't there

[glossy marlin]

in absolute terms, cis women probably deal with more problems.
in relative terms, trans people have it about a dozen times worse with (child) (sexual) abuse, assault, harrassment, trafficking, etc. afaik

[magic python]

Plus transphobia exists here so 18 and 19

[next schooner]

Very easy to miss injustice when you're not the victim

[magic python]

Hate when people say a minority doesn't have it that bad because the majority just has more people

I listed rights that are actively violated across the world.

[severe panther]

[next schooner]

I mean you can just, like, fuckin read yourself yknow rather than making it the job of trans people to rectify your own ignorance

That is not the purpose of this channel nor anywhere on this server

[magic python]

Trans people and "forcetransition" i believe are explicitly mentioned in ||the epstien files||, isn't it a shock many really big and famous transphobes are in said documents as well? (Tw: CSA)

Like Trump and JK Rowling

(Also the whole video linking a majority of transphobia to around 60 people)

At least modern transphobia

[cursive hill]

If I want to start preparing for university-level maths (Calc III subjects, linear algebra, number theory, nomemclature) what courses/websites are recommended to visit? I'm a 12th grader

[magic python]

That's a you issue, I have.

[halcyon aurora]

Jupitoro doesn t get it, it's a quirk. But yeah you have to come to these conclusions on your own

[magic python]

Trans people are also physically abused when they try to come out I many places, so...

[untold charm]

i dont think ppl realise that aside from western and modern devolped countries inmany places the stiaution is.... yeah

[magic python]

some places having death penalties iirc, so going to 3 here

[magic python]

Even in "progressive countries" they try to force you out of it

[magic python]

Oh 3 isn't a technicality, forgot about the government murdering us for it

I was just thinking of hatecrimes by the public thinking about that one

[next schooner]

Like if you actually wanted to have a discussion about how trans people are systematically deprived of many human rights then you should at least (a) know what rights you're even allegedly talking about and (b) know how these actually work out in practice for trans people from like idk the mountains of data on the topic

[magic python]

Yay... life is so safe as a trans person globally...

[glossy marlin]

as for committing crimes?
we put up with a LOT.
cishet white guys were involved in at least three thousand mass shootings in the US alone, in 2025 alone.
trans people? like two or three. not thousand, three. and we´re about a percent of the population, maybe more. our rates are a dozen times lower.
the same applies to abuse, SA, CA, CSA, etc.
we earn almost nothing if we have a job, so we would have to steal more. I´ve not heard about us stealing more.
our existence is classified as sexual offense or whatever in some places. when we can´t get money in other ways, some turn to working in that sector. that´s the one thing I know we do more. we´re criticized for it more.

[magic python]

The side telling us to kill ourselves, like I care about that say

[halcyon aurora]

I would hear it out but not in public in front of a bunch of trans people!! cmon man

[unborn trellis]

Unsurprising rhetoric from dianetics guy

[magic python]

Transitioning is safe as well

[untold charm]

out of curisoty what is the other side that u talk about?

[halcyon aurora]

also it's never transgenderism idk what that is

[glossy marlin]

please do not refer to it as "ism". it is not an ideology. you have no need to refer to it like an ideology to even the playing field or whatever.
anyways, what´s the "other side"

[halcyon aurora]

when in doubt, just ask no?

[next schooner]

Yeah no the problem is that a whole bunch of the other side want trans people oppressed or forced to live as their assigned gender or just fuckin die

[magic python]

The side who doesn't care about minors and adults committing suicide over their rhetoric

I'd feel great people aren't killing themselves, that's what taxes are for, bettering the country.

[unborn trellis]

Could you not make this argument about anything lol

[unique mesa]

the main evil here is people being forced to do anything

[unborn trellis]

I literally dgaf about what Christian taxpayers feel their money should go to because they don't have the interest of public good

[untold charm]

well maybe there is something than i am ignorant about and completetly dont know and assuming that jupitro isnt just rage baiting i would like to heard what possilbe other prespective they might have

[magic python]

Hormones and surgeries also aren't often covered like at all

[glossy marlin]

I´d feel great knowing I helped a trans person get comfortable in their body.
also 99% or more of the money that goes to medicine goes to cis people.
and 90% or more of the money doesn´t go to medicine.

[halcyon aurora]

Yeah dang can't imagine being a christian taxpayer, those Republicans are definitely not wasting my money, no problems there /what

[magic python]

I mean that is the consequence of letting the other side make the decisions

[untold charm]

okay but like do you know how much of that money is going to for example? the millitary that will go ahead and commit many many murders? also its not like trans ppl arent active members of socity this healthcare for them will greatly improve thier lives and make society overall more productive befitting the taxpayer!

[next schooner]

Ok this is just a flat statement that the statement "trans people shouldn't be allowed necessary healthcare" is a reasonable take that is worth considering in its 'merits'. That is to say, transphobia. Fuck off

[magic python]

Your tax money does not go into preventing suicide, i can assure you, especially in america. It probably goes into the places that try to detransition you and thus causes it :3

[unborn trellis]

Oh god

Detransitioners lol

[untold charm]

fair.

imma go to bed gn everyone

[magic python]

Tfw my option is live a happy life or die:

[untold charm]

i sure hope so

[next schooner]

That was a ban yes

[unique mesa]

late to the conversation here, but i should ask. was he a bad sport?

[magic python]

Idk I kinda want a happy life chat

[magic python]

I'd say so...

[halcyon aurora]

sorry not trying to draw attention to it but ok

[unborn trellis]

I'm sorry that I'm reacting with such obvious cynicism, but you have to understand that there is such an unbelievable tide of right wing disinformation about this topic and you're just regurgitating the talking points

It's really hard to take your stances seriously

[verbal quest]

two days in a row rat banned someone from chill who I figured would end banned a while ago

[unborn trellis]

Oh he's gone lol

[magic python]

Honestly I did enjoy talking about how those rights are violated

It's rather interesting how many there are

[unique mesa]

ngl he was chill

[untold charm]

ears are more deaf than a person without them

[halcyon aurora]

Yeah I shouldn't have encourages that with a picture

[next schooner]

I have little tolerance for bullshit uninformed and bigoted bollocks trying to disguise itself as some kind of intellectual debate. That is not what this channel is for.

[magic python]

I love this.

[untold charm]

-# please dont

[unborn trellis]

that guy was such a character lol

[magic python]

I learned something out of explicitly looking this up

[unborn trellis]

Posting about Nick land and dianetics

[magic python]

Wait you weren't joking???

[vast wraith]

oh im too late for the party

[slate turret]

i missed something

[vast wraith]

[untold charm]

good thing uwere late it wasnt a fun party..

[verbal quest]

this new honeypot is really working

[magic python]

Uh I could start it again and wait for another uninformed person to walk in...

[halcyon aurora]

Yeah they had to call the cops to take some guy out rofl

[vast wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/marie-aristocats-disney-ladies-gif-13591031

[glossy marlin]

-# chinese flag? what?

[unique mesa]

a practical amount of voluntarysm is all we need

[slate turret]

China said something similar to the US around the beginning of the Iran war

[halcyon aurora]

I think the only point he has was like, "on the right, money should be spent correctly" like sure bud sure

[magic python]

ICE did actually take away trans visas without purpose, right? I want to make sure my info is factual

Well, without real and sane purposes

[unborn trellis]

Unless that was misinfo yeah

[magic python]

The purpose was obviously discrimination

[untold charm]

i like how the cost of something lie healthcare forthem to owouldnt cost much since yk minotiry yet ofcourse tax dollars can go ahead and fund another war or whatever random project the gov is on..

[unique mesa]

ICE is like the SS reincarnated right? non american here

[glossy marlin]

yeah, afaik
without reason, with intent

[untold charm]

also do like ppl not realize this healthcare wuld make socity more productive and in turn??? make the eceonomy better??

[unborn trellis]

Basically Trump's personal paramilitary yes

[magic python]

I'm not sure what the SS is, but ICE deports murders and SA's people, so do with that what you will

[untold charm]

yup also ppl with unupdated passports are in trouble too..

[glossy marlin]

-# yeah. germans said so.

[halcyon aurora]

||https://transitics.substack.com/p/trump-administration-opens-the-door||

[magic python]

Great, I'll keep this point

[halcyon aurora]

Just to not share the embed, it's safe under there

[slate turret]

Police entity that over time, gained more independence from accountablility from the government (Moon Channel has a good video on this)

[untold charm]

also they removed the page about trans ppl and history from the offical white house website or whtver its called

[magic python]

"Trump Administration Opens the Door for ICE to Target Anyone Suspected of Being Trans"

They fucking what.

[halcyon aurora]

Bruh don't get me started on the fascist takeover of the US

[untold charm]

wait did yaal see the 3rd term clip?

[slate turret]

Which one?

[halcyon aurora]

Yeah thanks for the reminder, I need to do this

[untold charm]

||https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jD9Hr_EVdyk ||

[halcyon aurora]

use the || bars to hide the image

yeah it's just easier

[glossy marlin]

<link> to stop embeds, ||link|| to stop embeds and spoiler the link

[untold charm]

"has president trump been elected twice"
"presdient trump has been certfied as the president twice of the USA two times"
" is he eligble to run for a third term under our constitution?"
"i would have to review th thte-" 😭

[magic python]

Okay, now those arguments are stored :3

[glossy marlin]

I heard they removed every instance of "trans" from the government, also affecting things like public transportation...

[untold charm]

review what like what lmao 😭

[untold charm]

yes that is true.. i belive

[magic python]

Scunthorpe all over again istg

[halcyon aurora]

Basically if you look up this terrible thing called (cw: Fascism) ||Project 2025, or The Heritage Foundation|| you'll find the current administrations game plan

And yeah like they just literally do that

[slate turret]

The thing is, it's not entirely impossible to pull it off. The Supreme court has managed to interpret the first amendment in such a way that there is certain speech that does not fall under free speech (even though the language is plain the in the constitution). So in my opinion, I think the Supreme court could pull some bull where they reinterpret the 22nd amendment in such a way where Trump can become the president again.

[unique mesa]

at least our president, erDOGan is not a pedophile lunatic. We're just watching the american politics from over here with popcorn in our hands lol.

[magic python]

That literally violates 18 and 19, by removing the anti discrimination laws...

[untold charm]

what the f-

[halcyon aurora]

Ah yes Hungary Turkey ok nvm I'm an idiot amd was confused

[magic python]

Though the US isn't part of the UN so....

[tight pier]

Hmloo

[halcyon aurora]

This is interesting and yeah

[magic python]

Oh criminalized abortion and birth control too!~

I love America!~

[tight pier]

Political stuff

[unique mesa]

what

[teal lion]

the us is part of the un

[magic python]

It what now

[teal lion]

it’s actually one of the most influential members of the un

[unique mesa]

the us is in the UNSC what are you talking about

[steel sierra]

Guys...

[teal lion]

it votes on things

[magic python]

Okay uh then why the fuck are they getting away with breaching the Universal Declaration???

Like so blatantly???

[unique mesa]

north korea is a member

[magic python]

I assumed they weren't due to how much they broke it

[untold charm]

checked out the "The Heritage Foundation" and looked at the video its inssuferable...

[steel sierra]

I failed my test, and well, a witch suggested me to do a baneful spell, potentially leaving my teacher out of the semester.

[magic python]

Oh..... that'll explain it

[steel sierra]

Would it be okay to do something like that? I do not like how they made me fail a test.

[unique mesa]

basically every country in the world is a UN member

[magic python]

I thought the UN was like smart...

[teal lion]

because udhr is meaningless as is 99% of international law that is bound by “being a member of the un”

meaningless as in binding in any way

[halcyon aurora]

I haven't gotten that far gone yet tbf, I just refuse to look at that lol

[magic python]

Hey at least I get to say our rights get stripped away!

[unique mesa]

the UN doesn't do anything. It's the most useless organization on earth. It's basically just a table for talking.

[untold charm]

guys uhh warcrimes are baddd we wont do them-
war crimes happen
uhh okay well thats baddd-
more war crimes
yeah we we make a statment that this is not good! 😠

[magic python]

Considering many countries that do it are officially part of the UN

[slate turret]

The most likely event to occur though is that we have Vance Rubio as the next elected representatives. I don't expect this to change unless there are some major new players introduced in the Democratic Party for the general election.

[teal lion]

the un is something people use to give themselves more legitimacy, good or bad

[magic python]

I guess I heard propaganda or something, I heard it was good and actually did important stuff, guess it's on me for not researching

[unique mesa]

well i guess UNICEF does some good

[halcyon aurora]

Why don't you raise the test grade eith faculty if it's unfair? For instance essays can often be "appealed". If it's just you're idea, I say no spell

[untold charm]

i mean to be honest the only decent thing about it is the UN human right report probably its atleast semi reliably in some scenarios-

[magic python]

Well guess I learnt two things here

[untold charm]

it givus and innuende in the right direction

[grim torrent]

was rays just typing or did i hallucinate that

[halcyon aurora]

Most likely we get a permanent dictator next, probably not Trump unless he's strong in that role

[steel sierra]

Nah, it was not an essay. Just standard induction, divisibility, integers and algebra test?

[halcyon aurora]

young man that follows Trump maybe

[steel sierra]

And got 30 out of 100

[halcyon aurora]

I certainly hope a mod is here

[steel sierra]

and I needed 60 out of 100 to pass.

[untold charm]

oh...

can u ask ur teacher for the creitera for thegrading?