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magic python
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46XX DSD is very different than other people normally assigned male at birth

sharp sage
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Well i said most, so this shows a quite strong link between sex and gender...

magic python
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Quite a lot? Even many people who are openly trans online are mate.

sharp sage
magic python
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Grooming isn't always sexual

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Im the only trans person I know in this server who hasn't had much push against there gender

teal edge
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sex and gender could literally have zero correlation if it wasnt for a purely cultural factor, anyone who gets imposed either willingly or societally gender norms at birth is getting coerced into falling into the agab box

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the concept of agab alone leads to this

sharp sage
ionic wraith
bronze yew
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kindof funny that alot of men have a phobia of looking gay

ionic wraith
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When it comes to medical practice, you really don’t need a sex indicator. You basically need to know the anatomy and dominant hormonal systems related with the reproductive system

teal edge
magic python
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Wait grooming is just forming a relationship with someone and gaining there trust to then force them/coerce them into doing something, right? Or is sexual abuse and suicide the only two things that when forced in this way count as grooming

sharp sage
magic python
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to be fair, many trans people are also groomed in this way

ionic wraith
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glossy marlin
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chromosomes can be different (X, (46,XX), (46,XY), XXY, etc.), hormone levels can be something you don´t expect, receptors can be more or less sensitive than expected (PAIS and such), bits can be different in a dozen ways (PCOS, PMDS, ovotestes, ...)
humans are all the same species with much less sexual dimorphism than many other mammals.
a lot of other things impact the body much more, e.g. iron intake or painkillers

sharp sage
magic python
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They mostly think it's sexual grooming

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Funny how transphobes call trans people groomers when transphobes also groom trans people (yes I know this isn't a real argument as one can say both sides can be bad, it's just really funny how much transphobes project)

sharp sage
magic python
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Wait no that isn't grooming transphobes don't build relationships often with trans people before trying to force them to kill themsekves

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Yeah, why must it also be something animals do to protect eachother/themselves...

sharp sage
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Due to this the sickness is semantically bleeding into grooming or sth

magic python
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magic python
sharp sage
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Btw why do i have ourple

magic python
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Transphobes are too stupid and impatient most of the time to build a fake relationship like that.

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Unfortunately it does happen sometimes

sharp sage
magic python
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I'd assume chasers do quite a bit of sexual grooming...

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Or at least more often than most other people do to trans people

magic python
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sharp sage
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sharp sage
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okay so this prolly goes to the field of evo psych which is virtually hell

magic python
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Same as sexism and homophobia

sharp sage
magic python
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And racism

magic python
sharp sage
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Every form of bigotry and discrimination ever boils down to us vs them no?

magic python
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I mean I don't study history

sharp sage
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So the big question is why does "us vs them" even exist?

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Like cooperation is the key to success no?

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Shouldve figured it out ages ago

magic python
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Animals tend to go into seperate groups

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Most mammals won't cooperate properly with ones from seperate groups iirc

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That's where the whole alpha beta omega bullshit came from at least

glossy marlin
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-# did men vs women arise naturally or is men vs women actually typical citizens vs rich guys

magic python
sharp sage
magic python
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magic python
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I'm fucked once I get older

sharp sage
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And by a lot i mean like ≥70% of violence

magic python
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I'm basically fucked for a job as well based on how I act now

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Somehow my meds are covered by the system

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But I am disqualified from it with age iirc

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Either 16, 18, 21, or 25 is when I get cut out iirc

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Can't remember exactly when, but I think it's either 18 or 25

sharp sage
magic python
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magic python
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I don't believe procedures need all too much money

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At least required ones I believe tend not to

sharp sage
magic python
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Speaking of that, I need to figure out how to lie to get up on my meds while also not risking people wanting to force me into therapy or on antidepressants.

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Can't think of anything that is just the truth of what happened that would do the both of those

sharp sage
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What do you mean a chest xray is 3 dollars

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Why cant i invent new words

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I seem to be shackled by the current system

magic python
sharp sage
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Being addicted mayhaps?

magic python
sharp sage
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magic python
glossy marlin
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-# depending on the meds you can point at guidelines or look for a dozen decent papers for everything around them and every time they say something weird slam a relevant stack down harder and harder until it breaks the table

sharp sage
uncut peak
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do you guys like the equation in my pfp

magic python
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Everywhere I've heard 5-8 mg is the normal dose

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So I need to up fo 6mg asap

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I need to find some study correlating low hormones to depression (shouldn't be too hard) to justify going up to 6 asap

sharp sage
magic python
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Then tell them ever since I've started I've had many symptoms of depression (literally the truth, I've just been denying them)

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Good thing my mother can help vouch for that, depression in minors can cause agression.

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I doubt I could just say my gender dysphoria has gotten worse so I need to up it

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So I'll need to just go straight to depression unfortunately

uncut peak
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why is your dose lower to start with

magic python
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They literally suggested going to 100mg cyproterone acetate

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The standard dose is under 20 iirc

magic python
uncut peak
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based off of how much foundation the fact it's dangerous on higher doses has (which I can't really judge as I've never been into biology) they might say yes or no to that request
but you don't want it to be worse if it already does affect you, that's something you'll agree on

magic python
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I do want it to be worse if it means it helps my gender dysphoria

tidal coyote
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where start to learn how to solve limits

magic python
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I'd take everything that's happened in the past many months and worse if it meant I get to look in the mirror like I did yesterday for the first time in a while

glossy marlin
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-# 100mg of CPA can cause some brain tumors, not changing hormones causes depression and suicidal ideation, having little to no hormones is associated with symptoms of depression and osteoporosis, [slams backpack full of studies and anecdotes half my weight down on the table, instantly destroying it]

verbal quest
magic python
uncut peak
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is there a chance that changing hormones makes you perceive the gender dysphoria even more? cus in that case it wouldn't be a good idea to up the dose
i'm just trying to have you think of points that others might think if they refuse to up your dose of estrogen

magic python
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Until I saw it yesterday I guess. Yesterday was weird.

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They refuse to up it because it's standard of up it slowly I believe

uncut peak
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my point is you could end up perceive gender dysphoria even more by taking more estrogen

glossy marlin
magic python
uncut peak
magic python
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Fuck I might need to look in the mirror again today

uncut peak
magic python
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wait was I misogynistic yesterday doing that to myself...

magic python
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sharp sage
uncut peak
magic python
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Besides, this is the only way to help my gender dysphoria that keeps me safe

uncut peak
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and much better founded than my own concerns

magic python
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I'll need to beat around the bush of course though

glossy marlin
magic python
uncut peak
magic python
uncut peak
magic python
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Because back on 1mg I was actually thinking about that

glossy marlin
verbal quest
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Car, don't joke about that

magic python
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uncut peak
magic python
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If they need real issues to get me up a dose, I'll give them my real issues

verbal quest
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it's not sincere either
since you would be saying it as a deceptive strat

magic python
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If I was put back to 1mg I probably would. Literally all the time I was in it I'd think about that.

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Is it deceptive if it's an accurate depiction of what I'd most likely do on a whim if I was put into a more unstable state?

uncut peak
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if you felt worse when your dose was lower i'd say do bring those up

glossy marlin
magic python
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If I need to tell the actual truth to do this, I'll tell the truth.

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I'm done minimizing why i need this

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I should've pushed harder to get higher than 2mg back when I could have

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But unfortunately that was back when I was denying anything was wrong at all

flat karma
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what are we speaking of

magic python
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I do wonder though, how risky it is to tell the truth to them

uncut peak
magic python
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Unfortunately I've heard doctors can break confidentiality if someone is planning to hurt themselves or others

true zinc
uncut peak
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May this be extremely clear, I'm leaving the door open for both interpretations cus I just don't have the experience and knowledge to shoot a sentence on this

magic python
uncut peak
true zinc
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And frankly, a lot of what you've said in this chat could be construed as will to harm yourself, and sharing much of this with your doctor could get you committed

magic python
glossy marlin
# uncut peak from one side it could be unfounded, from the other none of us is a medic nor st...

trans patients often know more about their medicine than their doctors do (or doctors lie about the medicine), science keeps saying HRT is incredibly safe especially if you avoid the liver, and some of the concerns are immediately disproven just by looking at cis people or how human bodies work.
-# there´s the satirical research field "parachute use to prevent death and major trauma" which has some great quotes regarding "evidence based medicine"

magic python
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As unfortunately most of the truth seems like it could

uncut peak
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I wish you the best because I know how it is to have people around you be negligent towards mental health.

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Other than physical. from what you tell me

magic python
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I mean I haven't brought up mental health with them yet

true zinc
magic python
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I'm gonna see if that will finally make them realize I know what I need

true zinc
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Hiding it, as you've admitted to this chat several times is only serving to harm you further

glossy marlin
magic python
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Well I need to hide enough to keep myself safe

true zinc
# magic python I'm gonna see if that will finally make them realize I know what I need

Not to doubt what you are saying, and I do not mean this in a transphobic sense, but before you do anything, make sure that what you want to do isn't out of your current mental health issues vs actual need. I say this because I remember a few days ago how you were talking about wanting to go on dangerously high dosages of most of your medicines just to "feel something"

magic python
latent edge
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uncut peak
true zinc
glossy marlin
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magic python
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I only recently learnt 75 is far above normal doses

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I was started at 50

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I will say, 75mg cyproterone acetate stopped the thing that would be the main reason I am allowed to up, but it hasn't stopped the things that are the reasons I want to up it

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They kinda just seemed to not care much about my cyproterone doses

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(Though, I assume being in the middle of puberty does explain a bit of starting me over twice the normal dose)

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That's also why they only started me on 1mg estrogen. Because "everyone else is starting puberty at around this time so you need to start slow"

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That really hurt me with gender dysphoria

magic python
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At least a majority of the ones I know

true zinc
magic python
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I am nowhere close to a majority of them

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I would prefer actual evidence though, but that's not gonna happen

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Unless people have already done studies on estrogen levels in pubescent girls

true zinc
magic python
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magic python
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Also I didn't exactly need bloodwork often

true zinc
magic python
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I did need it to up the dose of estrogen though I think

magic python
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And I guess misogynistic

true zinc
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true zinc
magic python
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Those are real body types though...

true zinc
sterile path
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i am super stupid ive been slacking all year just using ai and getting good grades on my math stuff but now i have a huge geometry test in 4 days and i dont know a single thing on it and im gonna fail like no one has ever failed before im trying to learn the entirety of geometry in the next coumple of days can anyone help me or gimme like some pointers or some yt vid links on how to learn geometry cause im watching like the organic chemistry tutor and stuff and its just not clicking to me can smn plz help

cerulean sage
magic python
uncut peak
true zinc
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glossy marlin
# uncut peak again, bit of a bold claim, but it makes sense because HRT trials started in 199...

HRT started seeing use in uh... 1895 or something, almost a century earlier than you said, to treat menopause symptoms in cis women.
we know E2 is exactly what most cis women naturally produce, we know what it does in their puberties very well, we know that it isn´t fundamentally different for trans women. with estradiol esters we found more stable levels and barely if at all increased risks.
according to google T blockers were developed in the mid 20th century for things like prostate cancer in cis men. we know the effects, side effects and efficacy for those. they´re not fundamentally different for trans women.
somewhat similar for T, SERMs and puberty blockers.
for puberty blockers specifically: they compared people on puberty blockers to people off puberty blockers. people who didn´t have puberty with those who did. they fully expected the same development, e.g. in skeletal structure. what?

studies say it´s all super safe, patients say it´s all super safe. doctors often don´t know or deliberately do and say things wrong. a doctor very familiar with the meds in cis women suddenly forgets literally everything when there´s a trans patient around.

sterile path
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do u have like any reccomendation on like sum yt vids or sum

true zinc
magic python
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I can't even say I don't want bone issues because they thought of that and suggested I go on supplements due to my lack of T

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So there is no easy thing to say to justify a big up in E

sterile path
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what abt like how to understand like the formulas caus to me its just a buncha numbers

true zinc
quick beacon
# sterile path i am super stupid ive been slacking all year just using ai and getting good grad...

Khan academy has good materials. But yeah, you're pretty fucked if you think you're going to learn all of any course in 4 days. If I were in your shoes, after I had a small panic attack, I'd probably try to make a summary list of all of the things I needed to know, and then grind. If you have a full 4 days free you might be able to pass. But I wouldn't expect anything approaching a good grade. And if you have 4 regular days full of bullshit you need to do, well, it's a shame. You should probably not try to take shortcuts in the future.

sterile path
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im doin tht rn on khan academy

glossy marlin
# magic python That's also why they only started me on 1mg estrogen. Because "everyone else is ...

there are more downsides than upsides to starting low / slow, the only reason you´d do it is to see if there´s some weird reaction.
with oral, maybe in one in a couple dozen to hundred cases the liver isn´t doing too well, but we don´t use oral anyways. everything else, they just check if bioavailability isn´t significantly higher or lower than usual.
the first test should be after a month.
people are kinda just stupid...
-# also, when did you start? puberty starts at like 9

uncut peak
# glossy marlin HRT started seeing use in uh... 1895 or something, almost a century earlier than...

i'm looking up a source that backs the fact HRT began to be used in 1895 and i don't really find anything
not doubting what you're saying necessarily, but at the same time it's still bold to claim that patients know HRT better than medics because medics have thoroughly studied hormones

on your side of the story lots of studies regarding HRT are relatively recent so for a patient some research can do the job

magic python
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So above 9

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glossy marlin
true zinc
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I am of the belief that PERSONALLY, FOR ME, transitioning poses too many risks to be justified. Messing with already extremely sensitive systems, such as those that control hormone balance and who knows what else. By who knows, I know a lot of people know, but frankly the more I read into it all, the more concerned I become, so that's all

magic python
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Fair, it does have lots of risks

true zinc
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and yes this basically goes against the rest of the opinions of other alters in the system, but I do not think the risks are really worth it for our body

magic python
uncut peak
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dreamy crag
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We might but also we’re mostly non binary, so it’s fine

uncut peak
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you could say "but they are heavily backed" but that's where the ambiguity lies, for some it may not be enough

true zinc
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Besides that, there is also a lot of other components to transitioning that involve loss, mostly losing family and possibly friends at some point, even if many know I'm trans I do not know how many would still want to stick around once we started. Even if many say they would, I genuinely do not trust most people and I would probably walk away before they could say anything (positive or negative), even if such a thought is derived from paranoia or whatever else.

magic python
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I completely understand why I am quite extreme with my takes here

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Personally I don't care much about the major risks

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All the risks on the papers I was given with the meds are useless

true zinc
# dreamy crag This is same for us

Like frankly, I understand why people undergo medical transitioning, and yet no matter how much people say this stuff is "safe", I genuinely, at the deepest levels of my mind doubt it, yes I do occasionally believe that people are meddling or modifying data to push one bias or the other, no humans are infallible, I cannot trust the data, it seems obvious that there should be more risks in some places and less in others, even with how complicated human bodies are I feel this stuff should be documented better and stuff

magic python
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I can't think of a single thing estrogen could reasonably cause that would actually put me off of it

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glossy marlin
# uncut peak i'm looking up a source that backs the fact HRT began to be used in 1895 and i d...

just looking at my bookmarks... jasperdasper made a five hour video on transphobia including that in science, philosophy tube has half a dozen videos including one about a years long back and forth email exchange to get on it and how britain still has conversion therapists in some sense... there´s a linktree thing with a couple dozen papers...
google says german and austrian studies in 1886 and 1896 with bovine ovaries showed reduced intensity in menopause symptoms, a somewhat crude attempt at HRT. premarin was used in the 1940s, apparently a bit after emmenin.

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ionic wraith
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My potential vaginoplasty surgeon is a gay guy so maybe that’s better? But tbh gay men and straight men are basically equally shitty to transwomen tbh

magic python
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sharp sage
magic python
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I can't really think of much things that estrogen could reasonably cause that'd make me not want to up quickly eeveethink

glossy marlin
magic python
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Most of the major downsides from my meds that made me skeptical seem to have happened already anyways

uncut peak
magic python
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Or just people denying trans people have existed for ages

uncut peak
true zinc
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I feel like what I'm saying is very quickly becoming transphobic internally and like the more I am thinking about the topic the more I wondering if this is just internalized transphobia surfacing as projection onto others or what

uncut peak
magic python
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If I cared much more about safety I'd have considered them far more

true zinc
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because if you asked me a month ago about any of this I'd probably also be saying the risks were managable, but I am starting to feel an extreme disgust towards myself and....others

Like I know it's important for people to be able to transition safely in a good environment, yet here I am trying to rationalize it all into "trans people bring this upon themselves so they shouldn't transition" which like...it a genuinely disgusting take

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and you can probably see how much I'm fighting myself right now to seem like a very horrible person

glossy marlin
# true zinc Like frankly, I understand why people undergo medical transitioning, and yet no ...

scientists also doubt its safety. they´re the ones doing the science, doing their best to analyze it in a neutral way (or even with slight bias against trans women), and they´re asking "how the hell is this so safe? this should not be this safe"
the safety makes perfect sense to me tbh
there can be problems with the liver but we have a dozen ways around that, antiandrogens aren´t always necessary either

ionic wraith
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“Trans people shouldn’t transition because we’ll treat you like shit and you’ll commit suicide.”

true zinc
magic python
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To be fair I did literally bring this worse gender dysphoria upon myself

uncut peak
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speaking of this i'm cis but i hope you understand the concerns i raised are as far away as possible from transphobia. i think hrt is a backed enough science and i will listen to you a lot more than myself from the moment i've not concerned myself with it as much

magic python
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Like I am in a very delusional mindset with this

winter mulch
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magic python
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"I don't care what happens if I get boobs" is basically just how I am acting right now

glossy marlin
# uncut peak i'll look into those, it's an interesting topic how come you know so much about ...

well, a lot of people dig into its history and the science being done right now.
some cis people, some trans people, some who are questioning.
some actively follow everything being done.
trans people also share many of their own experiences with HRT and surgeries.
ideas are sometimes thrown around.
knowledge from other medicine or studies can be extrapolated.
I´m not super active, but I´m interested in the field and have talked to a lot of trans people and looked at basically every bit of info I came across.

winter mulch
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ionic wraith
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I think more young Jews hate Israel than like

uncut peak
winter mulch
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It was on British Jews

magic python
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Tfw I forgot the term open relationship:

winter mulch
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Aren’t there women who practically do not have chest endowments

magic python
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Just because some cis women don't have it doesn't mean I don't wish I did so I could feel real.

uncut peak
# winter mulch It was on British Jews

vast majority is a broad term though, in italy i see a lot of zionists but also large groups of jews who don't condone what is being done today in the middle east

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magic python
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Same as how I say I wish I experienced periods

uncut peak
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however mine is a problematic claim because i don't have statistical backing and it's hard to find

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but i haven't really found recent studies on this

magic python
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But I'd deal with the issues having them has

glossy marlin
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yep.

magic python
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I will say, not everyone needs HRT, not everyone who does feels the way I do about it, I don't expect anyone to feel the same if I'm being honest, my take is rather delusional

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And also seemingly based on misogyny and transphobia, which is fun

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(I have not said my full take, so if you agree with what I said already, don't worry, I didn't call you delusional for agreeing with that one)

glossy marlin
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yep, some people need hrt, some don´t, every experience is a little different, people´s views on individual effects can vary wildly...

magic python
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Most people I'd say have more sane takes than me when it comes to transitioning

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compact lynx
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Is there anyone interested in braid varieties? I find that its element could be described as certain galleries in a building?

magic python
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Like yeah, transitioning is different from mental health.

sharp sage
magic python
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Many people transition to help their mental health though.

compact lynx
magic python
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I don't see how that's related to me saying my transitioning takes are not the most sane.

sharp sage
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halcyon aurora
# magic python I don't see how that's related to me saying my transitioning takes are not the m...

I feel like "I'm not sane" is a negative take. So is saying "I'm experiencing incurable gender dysphoria that can never improve." What I am saying is that these are not positive positions, but rather negative positions. This doesn't say that you must be sane, but I often find this to be negative self talk, which is the main theme you're bringing up.

I'm not suggesting that gender dysphoria isn't real or can be safely ignored. There is a real feeling that can (in fact should) be improved medically. However it is a constant theme in your speech that you are experiencing internal shame over the whole situation.

I suppose I'm wondering, apart from the internal transphobia or self doubt, whether there's something else going on. And you don't have to share all that here, but you may have to deal with multiple facets simultaenously, if in fact that's the case.

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Also, maybe I shouldn't say "incurable gender dysphoria", like I don't know how you feel about it, but you seem to be catastrophizing that, there is a chance for it to work out.

magic python
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And how do I come off as shameful for stuff..?

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Oh wait no there are a few ways, just none of those are related to me being trans or taking hrt

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At least that I see as coming off as shameful

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I don't believe I have any issue other than gender dysphoria that also wasn't caused by it.

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I need to deal with that before I can deal with the supposed "depression"

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It's not really that serious catshrug

halcyon aurora
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mmmm ok so maybe I just don't have the facts / knowledge to really relate then

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But I do feel like the discussion is very complicated, the way you bring it up, you point out you have great insight into what's going on, but are also aware of having insane goals

magic python
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There is one issue that isn't directly related to it, but it also isn't a big deal and I don't even know how I'd go about stopping it

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halcyon aurora
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Well I'm thinking like purely mental health here, if someone goes "I don't have any issue" and like everyone knows that's bad

magic python
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Also "insane goals" here doesn't mean unachievable. It means something nobody should really want.

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Wait that actually might be related to and or directly causing the other issue

true zinc
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You're overthinking almost all of this Car

magic python
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The other issue might just be my mind trying to teach me that no I don't want that

magic python
verbal quest
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half of me is curious
the other half is DEFINITELY DO NOT SAY MORE

magic python
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To be fair, I've talked about the one before

cursive ember
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im lowk scared to even type here

sharp sage
glossy marlin
dreamy crag
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Great video

halcyon aurora
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magic python
halcyon aurora
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That's fair about you wants, I guess I can just listen

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I do think you may be forced to eventually, but that's a hunch

magic python
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I mean it's not that serious to be fair

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The "issue" portion of it is something I've talked a lot about before

halcyon aurora
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I don't think you should say that openly, if you have someone you trust online then maybe that person

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idk if the mods care enough, there are authority figures here. My point is just like, randoms go random

magic python
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I mean it's not really an issue per se, it's just an annoying thing

verbal quest
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Car, just train some woodland creatures and use them as your confessional

magic python
halcyon aurora
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or a witch maybe lol

verbal quest
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only if you want to beawoo

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sometimes the emoji and its name create a conflict
I was gonna use sus but I didn't mean "sus"

magic python
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Awoo and sus have very different meanings with the symbols...

verbal quest
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I vibe emoji, you're not my dad!

magic python
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Not with that attitude I'm not!

dreamy crag
magic python
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Wait what eeveethink

dreamy crag
verbal quest
magic python
dreamy crag
magic python
dreamy crag
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U can’t escape me

magic python
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Proof

magic python
sharp sage
magic python
dreamy crag
sharp sage
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Havent gotten a haircut in a while

magic python
glossy marlin
dreamy crag
sharp sage
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My hair is like 10cm long atp

magic python
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And they are SO much worse than I thought it turns out

magic python
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sharp sage
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my hair is like 7cm/3in per strand do i grow it out longer or nah

sand swift
sharp sage
glossy marlin
sand swift
sharp sage
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Alright im not cutting my hair in this year

magic python
sharp sage
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Long hair it is, i wanna switch things up a bit

sand swift
magic python
sharp sage
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Where did the name vivian came from thinkies

magic python
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She thankfully can't do anything to me physically methinks. (Outside of the times where I feel her actually touching me lightly)

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does this mean I have two girlfriends eeveethink

glossy marlin
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I guess? idk

rapid valve
dreamy crag
magic python
signal zodiac
hexed river
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Hello

magic python
fringe barn
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what's a Hamiltonian function.

magic python
magic python
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What if I was so lesbian I could just control when she pops up

sharp sage
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"Tell a god it is but a man for long enough, and it will play by your rules until death"

past trench
zealous garden
elfin bramble
elfin bramble
limber thunder
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mind gremlin talk stare

limber thunder
true zinc
magic python
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The imagery of it is bad enough icl, can't imagine the hell that would be feeling that stuff in public fully

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Even not in public that wouldn't be very fun...

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Ah of course I remember the hand

cobalt spruce
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math people i have a question: is a math career worth looking into if I am mostly only interested in it because I tolerate it more than I tolerate other options?
(I am in school now and I kinda hate everything but math is one of the things I hate the least)
sorry for not much info, so if you wish to help me you may struggle to give accurate advice but i got other stuff to do rn
another way of asking the question is "do you absolutely need to like math a lot to have a career that involves lots of math"

magic python
magic python
cobalt spruce
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do you want to recommend a specific different channel?

magic python
cobalt spruce
#

ty

glossy marlin
magic python
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Worst part about the hand was probably that it also made it feel hard to take in air...

magic python
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The only reason I'm so against it is just because of what the RandomGirl™ has managed to make me physically feel as well as the imagery I get with her

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I'd really like to not feel some of those things methinks

glossy marlin
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makes sense

magic python
elfin bramble
magic python
glossy marlin
magic python
elfin bramble
magic python
glossy marlin
magic python
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Interesting how it would do such a cruel thing to me

glossy marlin
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your brain might be able to give you some imitation of all the things you´d feel in the body you´d be the most comfortable in.
and depending on how strong and what exactly it is, it might make you very uncomfortable

magic python
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So I'd be most comfortable being choked, interesting /hj

glossy marlin
#

-# maybe :3

magic python
glossy marlin
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-# girl lore...

magic python
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It is indeed the lore of the Girl

elfin bramble
magic python
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Aight catshrug

low badger
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why so serious

sand cobalt
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What math branch teaches about converting real world problems into systems of linear equations?

P.S : continuing in #math-discussion

calm fulcrum
true zinc
thorn seal
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Hello guys! Can someone help me with the "properties" of integrals?

calm fulcrum
quasi jettyBOT
calm fulcrum
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btw this isn't the channel for these types of questions

thorn seal
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Ohhh, ok! Thanks you!

light thorn
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God damn it god damn it, I got an F in my calc 2 this semester. Everyone thought I could do well this time after having already failed it in the fall

calm fulcrum
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not the channel for this discussion

neat lintel
light thorn
calm fulcrum
neat lintel
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They should make a second discussion channel instead

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What’s the point of this and advanced lounge ?

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No access ?

calm fulcrum
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this was the second discussion channel but it got repurposed to a serious discussion channel

neat lintel
calm fulcrum
grave cedar
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serios

flat karma
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imagine getting banned for being un sirius

magic python
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Why do we sometimes just hate people who haven't really done anything wrong eeveethink

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And how does one forgive..?

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I meant in the opposite way, how would one stop hating someone who has done nothing wrong

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Because it sounds very hard

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Interesting, I wonder if there are studies on hate and stuff like that

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Quirks of the human mind are quite interesting. Especially movement

silent sapphire
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why do we instantly view someone with aspd as bad, toxic, or manipulative?

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the sociopath tag doesn't instantly mean criminal

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it's saddening honestly

sharp sage
silent sapphire
# sharp sage le media

exactly! it's extremely disappointing how the media and society portray someone just because of a diagnosis

silent sapphire
sharp sage
silent sapphire
silent sapphire
hasty pasture
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guys
should we repatriate artifacts back to their cultures and countries of origin?

heavy pagoda
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depends on the artifact, its history, and the country of origin

ornate crane
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hello guys, i have a question. What are the main math topics that is needed to do a Master in Computer Science? like Calculus course ( 1 to 4) , Linear Algebra is enough?

sharp sage
ornate crane
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uh sorry then

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where i go then?

sharp sage
ornate crane
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alright. sorry to disturb then

ebon crow
stiff fjord
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please give me some high school math advice.
i am confused if i have to learn the proofs of the theorems that are used in solving the exercise problems,
for eg., the Second derivative test (that's why i learned this morning). I know its concept, but do i need to go through (or even remember) its proof?

idle steppe
stiff fjord
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fine, but do u need the proof of the test that you use.
cuz knowing the proof gives the sense of gaining some high level knowledge.. lmao

idle steppe
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Idek how i would prove it, its kind of self explanatory

undone imp
idle steppe
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Besically if theres a point x_0 where the derivative is 0. If a at a point close to, but less than x_0 the derivative is negative and a bit after x_0 its positive, the x_0 is a minimum, if it went positive then negative, then its a maximum

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Our method dosent cover points where the sign of the derivative dosent change. Like y=x³ at x=0

stiff fjord
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yeah, that's called the First derivative test, if im not wrong

spark fiber
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hmmm whats going on here ? can someoone explain so i can join in ?

sharp sage
spark fiber
sharp sage
spark fiber
sharp sage
ionic wraith
vast wraith
sharp sage
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<@&268886789983436800> advertising

wild lantern
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Hey, this isn't a job board. Don't advertise here. Thanks.

ionic wraith
vast wraith
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😭

ionic wraith
#

Some of the things liberals say about Israel make me go “GUYS WE HAVE A BUNCHA PHONES HERE SHUT THE FUCK UP”

maiden panther
magic python
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Idk I guess it just seems weird to hate someone as if they did something wrong when there is nothing they did

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But it would at least give some justification for said hatred, no?

maiden panther
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imo, just having reasons for doing said thing does not offer predictive power to claim that action is what you will do.
In Hamlet by Shakespeare, prince Hamlet had many reasons to go about his plan. But, procrastination wins, and he did not. You can choose to not hate someone for wrong deeds, and you can hate someone arbitrarily.

cursive ember
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idk what are you discussing but i support you car ur kind

magic python
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But surely the mind would be rational enough to not hate someone because they did bad things when they have basically done nothing eeveethink

maiden panther
magic python
maiden panther
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Rationality leads to many traps. It may even lead to pessimistic thought. That is basically the way Schopenhauer and all operated. Like, I am reminded of Notes from Underground by Dostoevsky.

magic python
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Oh that's interesting

maiden panther
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I am aware of the existence of rational optimism .

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But, again, its more of an act of willpower than rationality to choose to pick a stance for/against someone or something, or to assert yourself.

magic python
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Rational optimism..? Surely that'd require either deluding one's self to some extent or is only possible for a few people, right?

maiden panther
magic python
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The mind tends to rationalize either negatively, or ignores lot's of negative things from what I've heard

magic python
maiden panther
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Rationality derives inherently from axioms. If you are assuming like an axiomatic foundation of the Universe.
You cannot make inferences without premises. But then, what premises to make?
This is one thing which distinguishes human minds. So, like, again, the choice of premises is arbitrary. So, this supposed rationality again boils down to randomness.

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Other than that, if you are making inductive inferences, or inference to the best explanation, you cannot be 100% sure of your conclusions.

magic python
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Oh we might have different definitions of rational here then

maiden panther
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I define rationalism as a school of thought in which one acts in accordance to logical reasoning.

magic python
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Either that or I'm just so unaware of how I function I can't think of it as using inherent axioms

maiden panther
magic python
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I am certainly not rational for other reasons however

true patrol
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what happens if we do a funny ass discussion over here at a SERIOUS DISCUSSION channel?

magic python
#

You get a fancy role :3

sharp sage
marsh cloak
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im feeling so serious right now

magic python
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I mean I don't accept them as given is the issue. Many outliers exist that don't follow what I think I operate under, and it is constantly changing.

#

I mean I don't exactly

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It's all context dependent

verbal quest
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Cartext dependent

true zinc
magic python
#

And if it shifts from day to day, is that still "rational"?

true zinc
# magic python Especially with the world now...

Right, the only way for people to have any sort of optimism or happiness in the world right now with how fucked things are, if you take a look around and read papers and news and whatnot is to delude yourself into thinking that the small "positive things" that happen in a given day are significant in any manner whatsoever or that even wide scale "good things" won't be scaled back quietly when people aren't looking or won't ever be implemented or will actually not even get close to their goal and instead will still be touted by the news or by government agencies who are incentivized to lie to people

magic python
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Oh I assumed people tended to operate under more constant rules...

true zinc
magic python
true zinc
magic python
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Like "Oh yeah it's renewable energy" what about the greenhouse gasses from farming and all the other chemicals farming deals with.

#

What about the people dying daily due to lack of Healthcare.

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What about the people dying daily due to the lack of mental help.

#

What about the people being forced into isolation by society for being slightly outside of norms

true zinc
magic python
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I mean them changing enough to change entire opinions on some days...

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Of course over months they shift

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Fair enough

gleaming panther
#

You can replace the sine function regression with linear regression, and every following iteration has one more degree than the previous to generate Lagrange Interpolation

#

The Desmos link is kind of buggy, because of Desmos numerical calculations going crazy

magic python
#

Not many people will care in this channel. I'd suggest #math-discussion if you are sharing something you did.

gleaming panther
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Okay thank you!

magic python
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#chill is more for sharing stuff like that I believe

gleaming panther
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Okay

storm dagger
#

SO!
I need an advice

I plan to do my masters in maths
So i am confused that should I be choosing btech or bsc maths from undergrad
My family isn't as such financially dependent on me, i just aspire to earn good enough after ug to fulfill my needs on my own in masters in case i get a College which has no stipend

I plan to study ug maths properly on own in ug, whether or not I take bsc maths, so my only hesitation with btech is, will I get enough time outside coursework to study math ?

so, btech from not very "elite "college with studying ug maths alongside or bsc (bs for many of u) in maths from mid ass college or take a gap year to get into some good university for btech or take a gap year to get into some good university for bsc

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Also, what all I am getting is below average to average colleges

fair hedge
#

Hi, I need advice. I'm in 8th grade rn and i sadly got a b first sem and a- sec sem of alg 2. I was wondering if i should retake or not to help my gpa. And i would like to know if precalc is very hard?

undone imp
#

you will get better advice there

gloomy marten
#

Does anyone have any tips on how to stop thinking?

sullen dagger
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What jobs is possible with bs math major

gloomy marten
# gloomy marten Does anyone have any tips on how to stop thinking?

I have been working on my thesis for 12 hours a day for a few months, and it's taking a huge toll on me, specially in the last few days. I'm insomniac and have a really hard time thinking about anything else lately. Even when I'm doing something else, it's usually still on my mind, at all time.

subtle magnet
#

Or if you can't find the right strain, just enough alcohol lol.

limber thunder
subtle magnet
subtle magnet
limber thunder
gloomy marten
gloomy marten
velvet dagger
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(Real talk is pick up coding and stats along the way if you're gonna be a math major and then you're hopefully fine-ish, also try to do the usual shtick of internships and networking)

outer oyster
sullen dagger
velvet dagger
outer oyster
velvet dagger
#

I mean I figure now that CS has been very publicly in the dump, enrollment is probably dropping and will continue to drop

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And eg after the Amazon fiasco of vibe coding screwing them up and more broadly people being a bit disillusioned with vibe coding, I think entry level jobs in CS are probably gonna slowly return

#

Esp if interest rates go down

glossy marlin
velvet dagger
sullen dagger
velvet dagger
# sullen dagger whys tht

You have a wider number of options. Math background with a few CS courses (intro, DS&Algo, possibly also things like systems and architecture if you've got space) often suffices for SWE, in fact mathematical thinking can give you some mileage in algorithms a la leetcode

But having some math and stats also gives you access to data science/ML, finance, etc

sullen dagger
velvet dagger
timid flax
#

Yoo everyone im knew to discord but not good ol' mathematics 😉

fleet spindle
#

HAHAHAAHAHA A CLASSIC BIT OF TOMFUCKERY

velvet dagger
#

Calculus 1-3, linear algebra, possibly differential equations probability/statistics, intro to CS, data structures and algorithms form a decent base

sullen dagger
#

Youre post grad?

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Im having an existential crisis cuz idek if imma have a job after this hell

velvet dagger
#

Then if you want to focus a bit more on the CS side, you can go to systems, architecture, networks, etc

If you want to double down more on DS/insurance/finance, you can take those classes

And if you have space you can take the union of those options

velvet dagger
subtle magnet
sullen dagger
#

What are some obstacles you faced and how did you overcome them

velvet dagger
#

Tbh I'm in this very awkward zone where there are companies that I feel like I have a very decent shot at receiving interviews at because I know people there, but then at those companies I would need to prep quite a lot more since I didn't really do very much outside of pure math

sullen dagger
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During ur academia

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Ohh I see

velvet dagger
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Eg I think I could get interviews at certain quant firms but then their interviews (and the jobs afterwards) are much more unforgiving

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It would be a bit easier for me to prep for just generic data science, compared to spending a lot of time learning DS&A and grinding leetcode, but then those jobs are harder to even get in the door at

sullen dagger
glossy marlin
subtle magnet
glossy marlin
#

-# I got that but didn´t talk about it

open sedge
#

Are octonians useful for anything or are they just a fun thing (extension of quaternions). I work in computer graphics so just wondering haha.

low violet
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Hi, is anyone here familiar with digit-reversal dynamical systems or arithmetic dynamics on base-b words?

I’m studying a map in base 4 involving digit reversal plus a small correction, and I’m looking for references or people who know related work: reverse-add maps, RATS-like systems, or combinatorics on words.

glossy marlin
#

-# can people read channel names / descriptions...

storm dagger
zealous garden
#

Exceptional Lie Groups

open sedge
zealous garden
#

Also supposedly QCD

open sedge
#

Being a software engineer this might be pretty interesting for a new compression algorithm for 3d objects

#

Quats are already super useful since it compresses 12 (or 9 without position) digits into 4 (7 w position)

#

That’s for unit quats, gets a little more complicated with shear

zealous garden
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Why do you want shear

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One of the big points/benefits of using quats is that they can't generate shears as a result of numerical innacuracies, which matrices cannot claim

open sedge
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I guess I kind of worded what I said wrongly

burnt ledge
open sedge
burnt ledge
#

isnt euler angles 3 numbers

open sedge
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In 3d, 9, since the vectors are represented by their head positions (all normalized)

full hornet
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euler angles should take 3 numbers to represent

open sedge
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Mhm

full hornet
#

but euler angles suck

open sedge
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Yeah you can rep a rotation in data by just three numbers (plus like usually an enum for order, typically XYZ or YXZ)

full hornet
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you can also use 3 numbers taking a vector, setting your pole as the normalized vector, and the rotation angle as the magnitude

ionic wraith
open sedge
ionic wraith
open sedge
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I’ve never been to Israel and have no desire to. Frankly I don’t give a shit about that nation.

ionic wraith
next schooner
ionic wraith
open sedge
next schooner
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see e.g. unity's netcode QuarternionCompressor class

next schooner
open sedge
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Rat girl you gotta watch it it’s so freaking funny haha

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I work for Roblox in San Mateo. We don’t have a quaternion class for devs publicly, but we use them internally. The closest we have for public is custom matrices or axis angle Rodrigues formula types for 3d rotations.

true zinc
open sedge
true zinc
raven slate
#

Cant we just get peace

zealous garden
zealous garden
left mesa
#

Did you ever dive deep into the philosophy of mathematics? If so, what speaks to you? I watched a video by the Philoctetes Center many years ago from across the whole philosophical spectrum.

twilit plume
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How do you guys take notes when doing math, what pens / paper and stuff do you use? I’m trying to streamline my note taking process because mine is just literally writing stuff that stands out and almost never helps me after the fact

kindred tiger
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but i like to mostly use my ipad

rapid valve
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I just listen and the prof better have a good website

sharp sage
fickle osprey
strong knot
delicate tendon
#

I use fountain pens almost exclusively now, but I really liked Sharpie Roller Pens in the past which is relatively cheaper compared something nicer which I liked Sharpie S-Gel pens

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Roller pens, you can get like a 20 pack for under $20 back then, i hope it hasnt gone up, s-gel iirc was 4 for $10

vivid halo
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hell yeah based

delicate tendon
#

I also take tests in pen for all classes

dire robin
#

Jonestown is so odd to read about

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It’s really really horrifying

torn talon
# open sedge Quats are already super useful since it compresses 12 (or 9 without position) di...

true, matrix rotation generally requires 15 ops and 3 with SIMD/FPU optimizations. Quaternions when optimized and when using the Rodrigues formula for arbitrary rotations required idk about 22 ops without SIMD optimizations. They are better for interpolating between rotations but matrices are much much faster for rotations involving multiple points in the same plane and by the same angle - in rigid body rotations. That's why I think most game engines nowadays use a mix of both.

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but yeah having said that, this is if you hacve pre-normalized quaternions otherwise, it takes much more computation.

signal zodiac
dense wraith
unique pewter
wet escarp
#

collatz conjecture: go or no go?

old oak
wet escarp
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damn

#

where would it be then

errant stratus
#

and I'm Donald Trump

#

nah just kidding

brittle jasper
ionic wraith
dense wraith
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No, I agree with you, it's just like an added comment

ionic wraith
#

Remembering during an online cancelation attempt by Zionists, a lot of those users were contacting my university’s Hillel and Chabad chapters to try to start harassing me in person 🫩

vivid halo
#

lol typical

sharp yarrow
sharp sage
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!redir

quasi jettyBOT
#

This channel is only for on-topic discussion. Please take casual conversation to #discussion or #chill.

sharp yarrow
sharp sage
sharp yarrow
#

I can be serious too yk

turbid dock
zealous garden
#

qxq^-1 doesn't require normalization

timid zenith
#

Yes, so.

magic python
#

I'd say if someone was abusing someone else, and that person then did it, the abuser is indeed selfish in some cases for wishing the other person was still there (though I believe some cases do have genuine regret instead of a "I miss being able to do that")

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They want it purely for themselves.

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Don't get me wrong, it's rarely like this, but it can happen

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This is a bit extreme, but it was the only one I could think of that can obviously be for personal gain

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Some people are just like that

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It by no means is selfish to miss a friend imo

verbal monolith
magic python
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Its normally not selfish to miss someone

verbal monolith
#

i think it can get philosophically iffy, in the sense that of course someone who is grieving has the right to miss someone,

magic python
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(Though, I see why some can think that, with the whole "sure they wanted to go but I wish they didnt")

verbal monolith
magic python
#

But like, there are most likely multiple cases of people "missing" someone who has committed suicide (I need to look up the more neutral term for this...) in a way solely driven by their selfishness, assuming I understand this term right.

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In general though it isn't really selfish

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Human emotions are hard and often near impossible for one's self to control

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Missing someone is just something that happens

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Even if one doesn't realize they still do.

verbal monolith
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idk how to word this better

magic python
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I meant in the extreme case of the abuser partially being the reason as well

verbal monolith
magic python
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But i could see arguments this isn't selfish

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I wouldn't agree with absolutes there, but I could see someone finding a way to frame it

verbal monolith
magic python
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Or do you mean the grief is from the fact the person isn't there rather than the normal grief for the person

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Okay no that was worded poorly, many people miss the person not being there... uh....

#

I don't know how to word the distinction that doesn't include some normal way to grieve within it...

verbal monolith
magic python
verbal monolith
magic python
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The relationship that didn't happen is too vague I suppose

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Oh no I suppose that last part does exclude most normal scenarios

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Though, let's take it in a slightly less serious scenario, say there is a couple but one of them has some sort of mental condition that is harming their functioning (like depression or something else that makes it harder to supply for others), if the other person breaks up with them, I wouldn't call the person with whatever condition it is inherently selfish for missing the relationship, even if it is caused by their actions (or in this case rather a lack of actions)

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I wouldn't call them selfish to grieve what could have been.

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If we make the distinction as it being selfish if the loss is caused by the person, it includes this scenario.

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(Though i guess we could include a certain amount of harm needing to have been done..? But I feel like that'd exclude some selfish ones that are also in this category of also being caused by said person)

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I feel like there is too much nuance in how people act selfish to fully classify it just off of actions, motivation is also a big thing here

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And context as well I believe

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Also there is an issue with the idea of selfishness I think. Its rather subjective, no?

And what do we do when we factor in some conditions? How can we know for sure anymore if the action was selfish (intended for their gain) or was them trying to help others?

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I don't think there is any real way for an outside observer to tell here.

#

There is too much nuance and context you need to be a part of to tell

tranquil isle
#

I have a huge gap in math from school life, especially in Algebra, Geometry, Trigonometry, Calculus. That is why I am considering to avoid choosing any math-heavy majors such as Engineering majors, CS, EE, Economics, Physics etc. in college. Is it a wise decision from me?

wanton stirrup
timid zenith
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Sorry I left the discussion btw

magic python
#

No it's fine

devout cliff
tranquil isle
# devout cliff No it’s a terrible decision, math is a skill like anything else and can be learn...

I am not trying to avoid math at all cost. In fact, I would love to work on these weak area and eventually be an expert user, but I think it is not good to choose any math-heavy major just out of curiosity and just because it is common among people. But I am interested in your recommendation as well. I would like to choose a bio-science major such as Biochemistry, Molecular Biology etc. and also work on math as a side-quest. I am interested in learning Python too, which I think can be applied in bio-science field too, Bioinformatics is a good example. 🦠 🔬 🧬

silent junco
timid flax
#

Hellooooo everyone

halcyon aurora
#

@rays apologies for the ping, but more content for attention in #chill

#

oh hmmm no ping

hard oasis
#

I got'em dw

glass wave
#

I have a math test tomorrow.🥸

old oak
#

I don't think you will do well

glass wave
hollow prairie
#

Between electrical engineering and mechatronics, which is more stable with better job opportunities? I am trying to choose between these two

spring geyser
rapid goblet
gloomy marten
#

@mellow pond I tried sending you a dm but can't, so I'll ask here. How should I address you? Do you mind things like "bro, dude, man"?

#

I don't want to offend you, so I wanted to ask a bit more private

#

I can delete these messages after

mellow pond
mellow pond
gloomy marten
mellow pond
gloomy marten
mellow pond
sharp sage
devout cliff
halcyon aurora
#

Alright everybody, time to change my roles

sharp sage
quick talon
sturdy laurel
#

Calc exam on Tuesday ima spend 12 hours studying tmrw 🫡 gl everyone

flat karma
#

Gl

halcyon aurora
long matrix
#

https://fixvx.com/CollinRugg/status/2051060090481025159?s=20

holy motherfuck has anyone seen this skull

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sharp sage
ionic wraith
#

Looks like the war has resumed

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rapid valve
glad sun
#

guys and ladies

#

and all im between, i have a topic of discussion.

I am currently writing a library for complex numbers in javascript and I need to make a decision on what to do when one of the components of a complex number js infinity or negative infinity. What would I need to do when someone does

(2 + 3i) (4 + infinity i)

warm plaza
glad sun
warm plaza
#

cool?

#

what is the datatype of "infinity"

glad sun
#

Also, the data type of NaN (not a number), is also number

warm plaza
#

mathematically, 4 + infinity*i is not a thing
just infinity

glad sun
#

this isn’t math, this is javascript

warm plaza
#

so i'd say keep it simple and throw an error

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or if you want, work with the extended complex numbers

glad sun
#

also oops

vast wraith
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the norwegian far right party Frp has grown a lot in recent years and is now the biggest party in polls by quite a wide margin, they have been an explicitly racist party since the beginning, the founder was a fervent supporter of (and supported by) the apartheid regime in south africa. recently a norwegian newspaper published a recording they made during a meeting where one of the party advisors used terms from negative eugenics referring to pakistanis and fsr ppl act surprised? 😭

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> the Racist Party is being racist
> ppl:

glad sun
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Dutch politics
> Part for freedom
> looks inside
> no freedom for muslims

ionic wraith
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their first big growth spurt was following an obvious fabrication establishing the great replacement conspiracy theory as their founding myth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Letter

Mustafa Letter

The Mustafa Letter (Norwegian: Mustafa-brevet) was a controversial letter that the leader of the Progress Party, Carl I. Hagen, used in the electoral campaign for the 1987 Norwegian local elections. The letter was signed Mohammad Mustafa, a Muslim immigrant to Norway, but the media soon proved the letter to be false. The letter became controvers...

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norway has been a stronghold for islamophobia for a long time, guh

placid shadow
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As a kid I always thought that the UN was above any national power and anything like that and can make whatever decisions they want at any time pandaohno
But I think they’re more like just peacekeepers and are a platform for the big nations to talk to each other

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Was I naive to think there could be a body that was more powerful than any single or combined group of nations?

sharp sage
placid shadow
sharp sage
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-# (pls get this reference)

placid shadow
sharp sage
placid shadow
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Sorry

sharp sage
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dw

ionic wraith
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This news came out at 8:54 AM EST and the markets open at 9:30 AM pandahmm

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rapid valve
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Oh this is serioussy

ionic wraith
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I actually need to stop caring about my mental issues and look at the impending 90s USSR esque event the U.S. is going through monkastoned

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And figure out wtf I’m gonna do

verbal monolith
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which is great, thanks for the options big donald T

ionic wraith
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True, I feel like the benefit of becoming fluent in Mandarin is greater than the intense medical training I’m going through

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Lmao, but this stupid training takes so long and is so stupidly intense

rain timber
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How to do. Subtraction

rapid valve
sharp sage
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ionic wraith
# verbal monolith well not much *anyone* can do at this rate except flee

It’s just like I keep telling people how the 90s USSR collapse was the greatest increase in mortality not seen in plague, wartime, or famine.

It was a period of intense instability, marked by a massive increase in suicides, massive increase in substance use disorders, massive increase in teenage girls being trafficked

This transition would pale in comparison to a country as institutionally large as the U.S. undergoing a similar process monkastoned

devout cliff
rapid valve
magic hull
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Hello
How to overcome math phobia

rapid valve
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Idk what channel thoeeveethink

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Maybe it is

cunning adder
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siiiiigh i just feel like i cant care anymore
my country may be under attack again and i am also illegal in my country being trans and I can only be myself on here and with one close friend thats only online since he moved away, I cant come out to any irl friends because I am in actual danger because of aformentioned country where you get arrested for badly reviewing a local business, also at least 2 ‘friends’ with access to my circle actively support the death penalty for lgbtq here and I cant do anything about it or speak up in fear of losing any amount of my actually good friends and also being in danger again because aformentioned country. And parents are a no go too considering they dont listen to anything I have to say about my physical health much less my mental health. And I still hold myself up to these unbearable expectations of doing well in school when I can barely get through a day without fucking crying in the bathroom which is literally what im doing as im typing this, i cant study or do anything fucking fun or good for myself anymore because i have no one irl and my life is actually falling apart

polecat rant over blobcry

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im now just setting in the fact i seriously have nobody anymore nozoomi

dense niche
sharp sage
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ionic wraith
sharp sage
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"freedom of speech my ass"

cunning adder
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freedom to be fucking surveilled 24/7 more like

devout cliff
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You can file FOIA requests to your local police departments for flock and similar technologies, where they are implemented, policies and procedures for their data storage and use and all emails associated with the implementation of the program both internally and to third party vendors. People have been pretty successful going to their town boards with this info and getting them taken out

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It’s also likely the cops will frame and harass you for asking questions though

vast wraith
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idk what going on at ntnu but whatever it is it caught the attention of the jerusalem post 😭

dense wraith
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cunning adder
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idk if im sane anymore, just anyone tell me if this too farfetched, so obv where i live lgbtq is a death penalty
recently there was a tiktok account using our school name and logo that was an account for shipping the ppl in my school, and my homeroom teacher told us that they contacted the police and are going after anyone who followed the account, and are requesting the account information from tiktok, and its a potential half million dirham file and even juvie
idk how much that is the truth and how much that is our teacher trying to scare us, but it made me think how being lgbtq is a death penalty here, and if i were to be outed and the police involved, i have said my real name, that im trans, and other identifying information abt me esp in my irl friends dms, so if the police could get that from discord them. im just cooked??
so IDK HOW PARANOID IM BEING, THIS STILL DOSENT FEEL FUCKING REAL BUT IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE??? and how likely is it?? idfk anymore

ionic wraith
vast wraith
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It was a bad decision for the UAE to leave OPEC

dense wraith
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cunning adder
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ionic wraith
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cunning adder
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devout cliff
cunning adder
ionic wraith
cunning adder
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i hope to whatever god that im panicking for no good reason

ionic wraith
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And like don’t the gulf states usually give a shit if a person say slept with a person of the same sex or “cross dressed” or taken hormones (which I assume is illegal)?

cunning adder
devout cliff
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Discord would if they actually requested the information but I really doubt the police will go through the effort for school kids stupid social media chats. But the UAE might take LGBT in schools seriously idk

ionic wraith
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I figured a person anonymously talking about being lgbtq is less grounds for the government to give a sh it about

cunning adder
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yeah I mean if I ever got outed publicly and they wanted evidence

devout cliff
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You’ll be fine I wouldn’t stress but just keep your head down and a lower profile imo

ionic wraith
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Ah yes, definitely be careful on that front, unfortunately while ur still in the UAE never confide in anyone

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Try to do what you can to get into a university in Western Europe

cunning adder
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ahh tysm everyone im a bit less panicky now <33

ionic wraith
cunning adder
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yahh blobcry

devout cliff
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In the US at least schools and the police only flex and make these big claims to scare people to get them into stopping without having to do any work.

If they are actually going to prosecute someone they don’t say anything and build a case quietly then try to interrogate you trying to trip you up.

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You’re fine

cunning adder
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thanks cat_uwu

vocal vessel
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I have a serious question.
I was told that showing support for BLM now is bad now because several leaders of the movement are under investigation for financial crimes...
I was told this by a conservative family member so I just thought they were being their usual terrible selves... but I found out some of the stuff is true.

Has the actions/behaviour of these leaders tainted the movement to the point where the community as a whole would rather not be associated with it? Or is it still fine to show support but just condemn the actions of those few people?

devout cliff
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Ngl I didn’t know it was still a thing

rugged hedge
# vocal vessel I have a serious question. I was told that showing support for BLM now is bad n...

The idea that because people did bad thing and it’s really bad so there for you can’t support the group is kinda true but also kinda not true, the idea of BLM is what most people support, injustice of black people and trying to fix that, letting people of color have equal opportunity as white people, these are all things people support, so regardless of BLMs leadership you still support that

vocal vessel
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I get that as an ethical rule.
I'm just wondering if the well has been poisoned.

ionic wraith
rugged hedge
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It kinda has but that’s mostly due to political illiteracy

vocal vessel
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I ask because I'm not black. But I want to show support. And I genuinely want to know if using "BLM" now sends the wrong message

rugged hedge
verbal quest
vocal vessel
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This is a family member who is in America

verbal quest
rugged hedge
scenic lion
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Hey friends not much good in maths came to learn here

haughty panther
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Either that or just being cringe/obnoxious people who are getting used as scapegoats by opposition to undermine the movement

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But bad people supporting good cause doesn't make the cause bad
Also if these were financial crimes then I'm pretty sure you can find same crimes on the other side of the conflict

jolly osprey
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Exactly. If we stopped believing in something just because a terrible person also believes in it, we wouldn't be able to believe in anything

haughty panther
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i think it's enough to support the movement while emphasizing it's the cause you support
if the organisation is not inseparably tied to the leaders then it's a valid thing to do

haughty panther
quasi galleon
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Guys

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We need a serious discussion right now

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Is a taco a sandwich

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(no)

jolly osprey
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Is a sub a sandwich?

quasi galleon
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yah

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(no)

wild lantern
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Sandwich has two slice taco has one slice -> taco is not sandwich up to sandwich iso

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Corollary: sandwiches made from hoagie rolls that are not perfectly split into two slices are tacos.

old oak
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It's only a sandwich if it comes from the Sandwich region of England

jolly osprey
magic python
jolly osprey
wild lantern
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Hotdogs are tacos

magic python
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Not if I split the bun more.

jolly osprey
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Hotdogs are cold sausages. Nobody needs to cook them or put them in a bun

wild lantern
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The bun shouldn't split fully. That means you broke it and it is no longer a true hot dog

magic python
wild lantern
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Really says a lot about society 🚬

magic python
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Does that make hotdogs right out of the package regular juice

old oak
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Fizzy sausages, now there's a serious topic

jolly osprey
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A topic that I am invested in

magic python
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Okay how would we carbonate one

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We need the world's smartest minds to focus on this problem

jolly osprey
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What if we dehydrate it and then rehydrate it with fizzy water?

magic python
scenic lion
dreamy crag
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that face when you mention how racist ancient aliens is and people think ur crazy: monkey

magic python
haughty panther
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What's ancient aliens

magic python
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A show about, and get this, "ancient aliens"

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I believe Miniminuteman has a few videos on it

dreamy crag
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"these dumb savages didnt know how to... stack rocks"

haughty panther
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So like conspiracy theories about aliens doing ancient stuff

magic python
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"This thing was made so well and is perfectly symmetrical and perfectly parallel"

shows image of it literally being imperfect

"Must've been aliens, the people back then couldn't cut rocks"

magic python
haughty panther
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Why would that be racist
It's condescending/devaluing but I don't think it's done because of race

magic python
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It's basically just "well I couldn't (be bothered to) do that so these savages couldn't have"

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Wait it may not be as racist as I remember, the trend I saw weren't from the entire series but just from what I've seen... maybe they do cover many ancient cultures and not specifically ones that are sometimes treated as lesser and dumber

dreamy crag
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one: they say the aliens are blone hair blue eyed with pale skin

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two: they never ask question about europian architecture, only africa/southeast asia/bascicaly everywhere else besides western europe

verbal quest
next sierra
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Well, I think they mostly look at lots of things made that we don’t have a lot of solid history on, and people typically in the target audience are far more knowledgeable about things like that. If they said “aliens built the collosseum” then no one would take them seriously (well even less people), but they have treated things like Stonehenge and some stuff in Scotland and the sort.

verbal quest
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in fairness, the ancient aliens also being racist is the most believable thing about it

devout cliff
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It’s part of the magic 🪄

next sierra
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I think a source of them being associated with racism (if I can recall properly from a Professor Dave Explains video I had going in the background), is that some of the stories they draw directly from propaganda that was made by known white supremacists, and thus some of their stories are said to be racist in intention, even if the people parroting them now are not intending to be racist themselves.

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And pointing this out seems to make them mad, and so people like to keep pointing it out

devout cliff
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I think they’re mainly just crackpots and charlatans

next sierra
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For sure

devout cliff
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One of the main guys on it just shot himself which is sad

magic python
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Isn't that why Milo made a video on it again?

next sierra
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Indeed, and unfortunately people are probably going to turn it into some conspiracy theory and do him a disservice

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I don’t really know anything about the guy, I barely recall him, but I don’t believe many people deserve to have their death made a mess of. Some do though.

quasi galleon
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holy wth

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is cussing allowed fr

dreamy crag
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lost spruce
verbal quest
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he could be alive still, ya never know
conspiracy discussed next episode of Ancient Aliens

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sorry, too soonbleakcat

fair yoke
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Why is there serious discussion in a math server

tame merlin
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why is this channel serious now

silent junco
fair yoke
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Idk math nerds are weird

sacred island
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what kind of nerds do u prefer then

unborn meteor
ionic wraith
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BJP apparently won big in Kerala blobcry

hardy trellis
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This is not math

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This is supposed to be a serious discussion

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About math

sharp sage
zealous garden
zealous garden
vivid halo
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Brazilian Jordan Peterson be like "clean your favela"

cursive ember
dense niche