serious-discussion

[sharp sage]

first time seeing almond got muted?

[pseudo gull]

should people who are charged with these things get a vasectomy or something so they don't reproduce further?

[sharp sage]

jail should work no?

[silent junco]

this is literally impossible to do in a way that doesnt constitute literal genocide in many countries

[steep mountain]

Yes?

[sharp sage]

i mean you are actively tampering with their body/

like at least jail doesnt do it

[pseudo gull]

they will get out after 5-6 years- what about after that

[sharp sage]

monitor them

[storm sage]

Let's not get on the subject of forced vasectomies, wtf?

[steep mountain]

This is very extreme.

[silent junco]

id like to ask why everyone here feels at liberty to control the bodies of people just because theyre poor

[magic python]

Does that not count as eugenics..?

[silent junco]

it does

[magic python]

What could POSSIBLY be the conversation where eugenics is a proposed solution???

[steep mountain]

Is that addressed at me too?

[magic python]

Is this on the child abuse/forced child labor convo?

[steep mountain]

I dont think i made any such point at least.

[silent junco]

tbh the whole conversation was kinda eugenics coded from the beginning

[storm sage]

I feel that in almost all cases, dysfunctional behavior happens because people don't have access to basic resources or opportunities

[magic python]

Oh no...

[storm sage]

We were talking about the one child policy, someone said it was a huge success lol...

[silent junco]

yes, re: your original point about people not being allowed to have kids if theyre sufficiently poor. everything you said after that doesnt fall into this category.

[magic python]

So eugenics, which literally doesn't stop adoption, is the automatic next step... wow...

[steep mountain]

My original point was that there should be a upper bound.

[thin dew]

Is this like mods meet spot or what

[magic python]

Also what about people who can support more than one kid and want them???

[storm sage]

How are you enforcing an upper bound

Anyways I feel like the reason why many families have more children than they can support is because of lack of sexual education and access to contraceptives

[fresh berry]

how much is that in fahrenheit

[steep mountain]

Its a cultural thing too.

I dont have a good answer to your question tho.

[pseudo gull]

105

[storm sage]

Lack of sexual education and access to contraceptives is also a cultural thing

[silent junco]

its just a little odd to me that we came to the conclusion that beggars are actually exploiting their children because it makes them more money than working, based on no real evidence, and then using that to make some kind of moral judgement of beggars that justifies stripping them of their autonomy.

[magic python]

So taking away people's bodily autonomy slightly more is something we should do..? Or am I misreading all this?

[fresh berry]

thats scorching hot man i feel bad for the kids

[pseudo gull]

they shouldn't have the right to reproduce tho- not like forced surgery or sth but they don't deserve to have more kids either

[storm sage]

I don't think you're misreading, this conversation is just bonkers

[thin dew]

What

[magic python]

I am probably only as heavily adverse to this idea because as is I hate most things that strip bodily autonomy in some major way that doesn't seem justified to me, maybe if I saw what others were seeing I could understand why this is a good idea...

[silent junco]

???

[storm sage]

It's not a good idea

[magic python]

Good idea in the subjective sense, I just can't see any argument for why it's supposedly good outside of "it lowers child suffering/abuse if the child never gets born into the suffering/abuse"

[sharp sage]

walked away for 2 minutes and came back to this?

[pseudo gull]

we are talking about people who hit their kids and like to keep them in poor conditions without adequate food etc right

[storm sage]

No we're talking about poor people

[silent junco]

you have completely warped the premise of the convo

where did hitting kids come from???

anyway im shutting this convo down

[pseudo gull]

what

[steep mountain]

I dont know how it works where you are, but from talking to multiple kids who do this and others who have done the same, there seems to be a good indication that this is the case for a lot of people here. Kids will mention their "boss" who may or may not be their father, enforce a daily quota for them to reach, and punishment if they dont. Some beggars have admitted that it makes them a lot of money and its why they do it, and seeing it become a popular thing to do is concerning. There is no definitive data analysis here, but this is a good indication that it must be surveyed and addressed.

[silent junco]

its bordering on eugenics

[sharp sage]

alr b4 shit hits the fan can we stop

[magic python]

Oh not suffering/abuse, child labor doesn't fall under that...

[pseudo gull]

wait what 😭 when did the convo topic change of that context

[silent junco]

idk and idc

this convo ends here

[pseudo gull]

idk what that word means ngl

[silent junco]

look it up

[undone imp]

I open this, see forced vasectomy

[steep mountain]

Note that im not dismissing the case that some people might be forced into doing it, but i also wont dismiss the possible that it is becoming a real alternative and "'meta".

[vocal vessel]

And that, Marjorie - just so you will know - and your children will someday know - is the night the lights went out in serious-discussy!

[storm sage]

Do y'all compost

In NYC it's mandatory to separate out compost

[sharp sage]

eugenics is basically offing people based on their traits, to "filter" them iykyk

[magic python]

Eh it can include not directly killing them

[storm sage]

Not exactly but whatever, move on

[steep mountain]

I dont know how im being dragged as promoting eugenics here, its infuriating

Ile just leave the convo.

[pseudo gull]

oh wtf

[storm sage]

So...?

[sharp sage]

in minecrtaft

[thin dew]

Only the most smartest the most strongest typa people should breed

[ionic wraith]

CNN is auditioning so hard to be in good favor with the Ellison billionaires who look to purchase the network

[opal isle]

[vocal vessel]

"Heated truth"

[limber arrow]

@sharp sage i hate you man

[sharp sage]

first of all why did you ping me

[timid zenith]

@sharp sage i love you man

[limber arrow]

I have a computer architecture test after tomorrow

[opal isle]

<@&268886789983436800> check this guy's deleted messages lol

[limber arrow]

Lots of MUX involved

[thin dew]

What was it

[timid zenith]

Wait what happened

[sharp sage]

mf what does your exam have to do with my username

[sharp sage]

idk

[magic python]

Mreow (super serious)

[timid zenith]

He needs help from the greatest computer architect of all time

[timid zenith]

This is so funny oh my god

Woof. (Professional, eloquent, informed)

[magic python]

It ain't that serious

[halcyon aurora]

This is honestly a fail by the reporter too, like if you were going to be problematic and just follow the people who bought out your organization blindly, at least have an example rhetoric rofl

The joke to me about these situations in the USA is that they just make up stuff so there's actually not even an example

[ionic wraith]

The oligarchy and their stooges are so arrogant that they don’t think they have to put any effort to their propaganda

[halcyon aurora]

It's more complex than that, but yeah I mean people believe them regardless of the effort right now. Very brainwashed.

[halcyon aurora]

I am still searching for a good news source rn, I might be looking into BBC to avoid USA news

[halcyon aurora]

By complexity I mean, this rhetoric is probably part of a larger discussion about how Democrats are creating political violence against the President. But like, is that truly what happened? Seems fishy

[pseudo gull]

do u guys think smartphones did more harm or more good? like information and knowledge is easily accessible for education but on the other hand the dopamine and side effects are harmful too

[sharp sage]

Mayhaps, but wed like to keep them

[trail vortex]

More harm imo

[pseudo gull]

but u can only connect with me or talk with me like discuss things because of smartphone

[outer minnow]

more good, it also enables awareness about its harmfulness

[trail vortex]

True, but it can also isolate us from people irl

[halcyon aurora]

It depends on the metric. In terms of education, definitely more harm

also great topic btw

[pseudo gull]

isn't that more about self control

[magic python]

I can't speak in general, but I know it is useful for me.

Oh wait just smartphones

[rapid valve]

Yay am free

[pseudo gull]

but in older times before - to even get knowledge about something u needed to go gain it from the library or only have half baked info right

[magic python]

I'd say smartphones are kinda just neutral in my eyes

[trail vortex]

Controlling something that directly affects your dopamine is difficult, which is why smartphone addiction is a widespread thing
Yeah, it's self control, but that's not so simple

[magic python]

But the internet and technology/devices as a whole are positive to me

[worn nest]

self-control gets harder overtime, because the technology is just gonna get better and better and better

[halcyon aurora]

I have a textbook that explains algebra well. It is a book that's been around since maybe the 80s. I would wager that book is better than any algebra resource I can find easily at my dingertips

[pseudo gull]

should that be worked upon tho? like here we are using discord would that count as dopamine too- i think smartphones talk up a lot lot of time which can be projected somewhere else tho

[trail vortex]

If we're talking about smartphones specifically, wouldn't it be better if we had a PC or like 2 laptops in every house instead of a smartphone
And a really basic phone for comms

[magic python]

Phones are easy to carry out and about

[pseudo gull]

PCS and laptop are way costier- what about households who are kinda poor and what if we need to call anyone

[trail vortex]

Does something like a really old Nokia count as a smartphone

[pseudo gull]

but a person sitting in a third world country wouldn't have the same access so a smartphone is a positive for him but negative for u because its a distraction? so it depends on resources?

[magic python]

Can it easily* connect to the internet and search engines?

Easily as in unmodified.

From what I know of the main Nokia phones, I'd say it doesn't count

[pseudo gull]

i guess. but it wouldn't have any features like camera etc

[trail vortex]

The problem isn't dopamine itself. It's stuff like social media and games like candy crush which make u crave dopamine more (for lack of a better term) that are the problem.

[trail vortex]

No. Just calls and texts

[halcyon aurora]

mmmmm I would say that's correct, it provides more equal access in theory, that seems right. And there's nothing wrong with that. I was speaking merely on terms of like, not all synthesis is equal

[pseudo gull]

if u come home after a long day at work then u need something to chill off too- thats a thing too entertainment is kinda important too but there is no balance

[halcyon aurora]

But it also sort of depends on the goal, and I don't think all smart phone technology adds nothing for instance

[trail vortex]

If we included a Nokia here, wouldn't that be better than a modern smartphone?

[pseudo gull]

big companies profit thru this lowkey

[tiny path]

who want me

[magic python]

I wouldn't personally class it as a smartphone then, though others may disagree.

[pseudo gull]

can u live without things like camera, gps maps, online payment etc

[rapid valve]

Okay so a question i got asked once is: how you realistically do it. I believe the answer doesn't need to account for everything and the solution will come from experimenting.
So the main idea i had is to take away the power of parents over the child or at least how exclusive this is. While we can't take awaythe physical power parents have by being adults, we can make children less dependant on parents. The idea would be to allow children to change parents, or leave their parents without any consequences or conditions, having shelters for them to sleep always available for themw and allowing them to spend the time they're growing up however they want and not exclusively with some people. This might sound scary and tbh i have no idea if it would work, but i think that at the same time it would free a lot ofchildren materially from unhealthy or abusive family so it would compensate ig.

[tiny path]

this chat is real serious, imma get out

[rapid valve]

Wow i made one gigantic sentence

[trail vortex]

U can buy a camera, ask for directions and pay with a credit card

[magic python]

Like I don't know what I'd exactly call something like a Nokia, but I don't see it internally as a smartphone

[tiny path]

why so serious

[pseudo gull]

there was actually a mr.bean episode about this one lmao and it showed how all these things are easily done by smartphone and how hectic that is

[trail vortex]

And the only real necessity here is credit card

[rapid valve]

Last time i wasn't so serious i got muted for 1 hour

[tiny path]

thats crazy son

[pseudo gull]

really? what would u do if u got bored?

[tiny path]

who is vie

[pseudo gull]

im vie

[tiny path]

u r not god

[trail vortex]

Haven't seen that. Though if u weigh the risks of smartphone addiction, isolation, exposure to inappropriate material etc, is it worth it

[outer minnow]

believe me when i say this serious street isnt for silly people

[trail vortex]

Personally, I read or write. Sometimes I play games, sometimes I watch stuff.

[tiny path]

i am on the wrong spot then

[pseudo gull]

vie means life in french. god is a term we associate with a higher power who gave life to all of us- in some theory or another life is god so vie is god

[trail vortex]

I'm silly

[magic python]

All I know is that the internet has been a positive for me

[rapid valve]

Internet is cool for people who get bullied at school to ge tonline friends me thinks

[pseudo gull]

we can like keep memories of things or connect with any relative who lives far away and video calling also helps a lot. those are things that have just become a norm tho and it is kinda a necessity. imagine living away from ur parents- wouldn't u like to see them on video call

[magic python]

You don't need to have been bullied to only really want to connect online

[halcyon aurora]

I think one thing that is and had always been deceptive about technology is that it improves things. At a philosophical level, the forward progress of humanity is not necessarily a positive goal. That's a hot take but you know

[trail vortex]

Ok yeah that's a good point

[outer minnow]

if i say using a phone is bad then i shouldnt be using a phone, but if i cant use a phone then how can i say its bad

[halcyon aurora]

Like this is important in the smart phones discussion

[pseudo gull]

ah i might like to reform my question - screen addiction ig? even playing games should count into that

[magic python]

You can acknowledge something is bad whilst using it still

[trail vortex]

It's like someone who's trying to quit smoking deluding themselves into thinking smoking is good.

[outer minnow]

the purple person gives an advice while the white role gives an example

[haughty panther]

Smoking is good

[trail vortex]

If u mean video games should count into screen addiction, I'd say that purely depends on how u regulate urself

[trail vortex]

Zamn

[rapid valve]

I mean yeah i get it

[flat karma]

Until you die

[halcyon aurora]

Ok so you're mostly asking about screen time then vie?

[haughty panther]

The best part

[rapid valve]

Just that people seem to really think online relationships are bad but imo they're just as good as irl

[trail vortex]

I'm just realizing I've never talked about math once in a math server

[magic python]

I mean smoking is better than some other things for sure, though this doesn't make it good

[pseudo gull]

we are talking in a scenario in of like 1990s when smartphones weren't that big and pcs and computes werent advanced either- like was that world better?

[rapid valve]

Drugs are viewed so weirdly by the state

[magic python]

But I don't doubt some people benefit in some way shape or form from it

[trail vortex]

Better than today. But depending on who u ask, it may have been worse

[magic python]

As in America

[rapid valve]

Like it's crazy that aclphol is okay but not weed, the former makes you violent and you can die from withdrawal...

[pseudo gull]

i think smartphones harm the most tho- like if covering the time u spend on it with pc is exactly the same in my theory actually 😭

[outer minnow]

you are right...

[magic python]

Wait weed still isn't legalized???

[trail vortex]

Wouldn't the latter do the same thing with more severity

[flat karma]

True

[surreal sapphire]

donald trump signed an executive order a few days ago to reevaluate the legality of psychedelic drugs, specifically ibogaine

[trail vortex]

Who dat

[magic python]

I've always wondered how exactly weed feels, based on all I've heard

[halcyon aurora]

no I get that, I mean like your argument is not "phone bad" but "screen time bad" which is the accurate take imo

[surreal sapphire]

they have to pass stage 3 clinical trials, but i think that includes things like psylocibin

[pseudo gull]

we are actually taking on very imp topic, add into it- i wanna hear ur perspective

[trail vortex]

I agree

[pseudo gull]

u seem like someone who loathes smartphones

[surreal sapphire]

ibogaine? its a tryptamine thats very effective in treating addiction

[haughty panther]

I'm not a stoner myself but I love watching stoned people trying to have a conversation

[trail vortex]

Donald trump

[inland raft]

yay we're talking about weed again

[trail vortex]

What's it like

[magic python]

It's not as intense as alcohol visibly does, right?

[pseudo gull]

yea like it affects your health too so thats a very negative thing

[rapid valve]

It's not in france (yet france is the bigges teuropean co sumer per capita)

[outer minnow]

why dont we ever discuss about how small moments in your life brings you happiness

[surreal sapphire]

it makes even boring things incredibely interesting and it makes you really hungry, then it makes you really tired

[flat karma]

Feels like you are high

[magic python]

Interesting

[pseudo gull]

because its a fact and nothing to discuss over

[trail vortex]

Because this is serious discussion and serious people aren't allowed to be happy

[surreal sapphire]

weed has been legal in germany for a while now

[magic python]

oh so just like living

[magic python]

Ohhhhhhh why didn't I think of that

[outer minnow]

2 contrasting opinions

[rapid valve]

,av @trail vortex

[fathom swallow]

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[haughty panther]

I guess it varies between people but my friends tend to use way too many words to say anything and they misunderstand each other all the time
Which makes it look insanely funny

[magic python]

Because they can often just not

[surreal sapphire]

the endocannabinoid system in your body regulates lots of things but most notably mood, motivation and sleep;
as the name suggests, cannabis acts mostly on this system

[trail vortex]

Are u stealing

[trail vortex]

I need to see that at least once in my life

[magic python]

Maybe I should look up how it acts

[flat karma]

Mephedrone is popular in my city

[surreal sapphire]

ah yeah, it also affects memory

[rapid valve]

No im just looking at this cute cat, did you make it

[outer minnow]

ive always believed that discord is unfit for serious discussions... but this chat has changed my mind in a deeper way than i can express through text

[haughty panther]

Mephedrone sucks
It's also popular here

[flat karma]

They also call it meow meow

[trail vortex]

No, it's by an artist called tofupixels

[flat karma]

True, its like cocaine but cheap

[trail vortex]

Reddit and twitter are the best for serious discussions

[outer minnow]

i thought you were the wise one here

[trail vortex]

I am wise 😢

[odd narwhal]

Twitter for serious discussion? I could just go down to the nearest white nationalist rally and get the same opinions

[halcyon aurora]

I go through periods of using screens a lot more (I'll refrain from saying more about that) and the toll on my health at those times, physically, is palpable. I really do think that staring at a smart phone or screen for hours on end hurts you both physically and mentally, and I would go so far as to say there is research evidence if you choose to look for it

ew white nationalism

[outer minnow]

interesting view

[magic python]

I wonder what the most extreme easily accessible household drug is (like caffeine and stuff like that, stuff you can easily buy for consumption)

[outer minnow]

probably morphine

[trail vortex]

redhotcoffee

[magic python]

... you can just easily buy morphine..?

[flat karma]

Codeine phosphate too

[outer minnow]

you can have it prescribed for you

[magic python]

I didn't mean prescribed.

[surreal sapphire]

its alcohol

[magic python]

I meant to imply something you can just walk to the store and buy without restrictions

[outer minnow]

hmm...

[trail vortex]

Cocacola

[magic python]

But what about out of the ones without legal restrictions

[surreal sapphire]

like what?

[magic python]

Okay it meant extreme as in how it makes you feel

[surreal sapphire]

well, you can inhale solvents...

[outer minnow]

well maybe shrooms

[magic python]

Caffeine is easy to get for consumption, and not very restricted if at all

[surreal sapphire]

they dissolve your brain, which is a very extreme feeling

[magic python]

Oh yeah lemme go to the Walmart and buy some shrooms without legal restrictions

[surreal sapphire]

psilocybin is controlled

[magic python]

So I should consume bleach!

[outer minnow]

okay this is harder than i thought

[rapid valve]

Im surprised that alcohol is so low on physical harm, like it is very known for making you violent and do stupid shit

[flat karma]

Do put some acid in it too, chloric would be good

[surreal sapphire]

depends heavily on person but that doesnt count as physical harm in this sense

[rapid valve]

What does ?

[surreal sapphire]

physical harm that comes directly from the drug

[rapid valve]

Oh okay

[surreal sapphire]

you have to abuse alcohol for a very long time to be seriously harmed

[outer minnow]

i mean you can still buy something legally and then go back to your home and mix it into an illegal drug for consumption

[magic python]

Is caffeine really the only one that is sold for consumption that doesn't have much legal restrictions, and you wouldn't be surprised if some form of it was in a household?

[outer minnow]

that still makes it easily accessible ?

[magic python]

That isn't effects from the original substance though

[surreal sapphire]

and abuse it heavily, there are tons of high functioning alcoholics that abuse alcohol for decades and are pretty healthy all things considered

[magic python]

Okay I guess we can say sugar as well

[flat karma]

Atp this is cooking

[magic python]

And if you want to go for more "standard" drugs, over the counter pain meds i believe don't have many restrictions

[odd narwhal]

I'm shocked lsd dependence is so high considering you have to wait like a week between hits if you don't wanna take 20x the amount you took last time

I'm shocked long term alcoholics don't have more liver problems also

[surreal sapphire]

for reference this is from https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(07)60464-4/abstract

[odd narwhal]

Gonna have to look at their methodology later

[rapid valve]

When dependence is that low it might just be residual from the habit because even anabolic steroid is higher

[surreal sapphire]

i mean there are alcoholics that dont consume alcohol for months

[magic python]

Kinda sucks alcohol is so normalized in some places to the point of being othered if you don't do it

[rapid valve]

Nah nvm i can't read a graph

[surreal sapphire]

dependence is more complex than consuming every day

[rapid valve]

MAKE BARS !

[pseudo gull]

opinion? people shouldn't really talk if other person isnt in the mood to have a conversation tho- like they are not entitled to my time and space either

[magic python]

Well I mean it's partially the service workers job, no?

Plus, it's something that is normalized in many places, so it's automatically assumed to be fine.

[pseudo gull]

they are talking about people like barber etc

[magic python]

Well it's normalized for barbers to converse, no?

[outer minnow]

i still havent figured this out idk why it seems so easy when i first read it

[pseudo gull]

it shouldn't be

[magic python]

It's assumed to be fine because normally people don't care

[pseudo gull]

no one is entitled to have a conversation

[magic python]

I agree, but it's basically part of their job with how standardized it is

[magic python]

I think it has to be over the counter pain meds or something similar

[pseudo gull]

i think people do care like not all people have social battery or like to just small talk with random people yk

[outer minnow]

so medical prescriptions doesnt count, and cooking and mixing doesnt count either

well then probably its alcohol but like the high ethanol ones

[magic python]

Yes but people aren't vocal about it because you get othered if you do it

[magic python]

Alcohol has legal restrictions in many places

A minor can just walk to the store and buy over the counter pain meds iirc

[surreal sapphire]

i think khat is unrestricted in the US (or used to be)

[magic python]

What is khat? Or is that a typo

[rapid valve]

That wouldn't surprise me

[surreal sapphire]

an alkaloid drug

[magic python]

Oh, interesting

[outer minnow]

iirc you can also get high from industrial fertilizers

[rapid valve]

Big pharma typa shit, but also it avoids all the shinnenigans psychiatry can do to you

[surreal sapphire]

its here as well, it was popular for a while in the US because it was sold in gas stations in energy drinks and similar

[magic python]

Interesting

[surreal sapphire]

its used a stimulant but can be quite dangerous in high amounts

its basically just leafs of a plant and traditionally chewed (which is probably fine) but if you get it in high concentrations, it can cause issues

[magic python]

Also i guess the country and time period matters heavily here...

[surreal sapphire]

another drug i can think of is kratom

[surreal sapphire]

thats also a plant but its an atypical opioid

[outer minnow]

that sounds evil

[magic python]

Interesting

[outer minnow]

i mean the drugs name

[surreal sapphire]

also is or used to be sold at gas stations and its really dangerous in high amounts (because opioid)

[rapid valve]

Kinda stuff that kills superman

Kryptonite

[outer minnow]

they always come up with devious names

[surreal sapphire]

its an indiginous name for the plant lmao

[rapid valve]

I think alcohol has a worse name than many drugs but we're too used to it

[inland raft]

alcohol is so bad

everyone should smoke weed instead

[outer minnow]

why, just dont do both

[inland raft]

or OD on caffeine

[rapid valve]

Wow

[outer minnow]

an idea ahead of time

[rapid valve]

How do you survive bad work days

[inland raft]

alcohol

[halcyon aurora]

How did a perfectly reasonable conversation about using screens affecting health devolve to using drugs

[rapid valve]

There was this thing about tile layers being drunk from 11am because their knees would je so painful

[rapid valve]

Imagine if the topic never change dand we wer estuck on it forever

[outer minnow]

i saw this chat jump from religion in india to discussing about whether war crimes is acceptable in life or death situations

both brings you a wider view

(maybe i overexargrrted in the first part)

[halcyon aurora]

oh sure, but my point was like, it tenda to trend more negative until somebody crashes out

[halcyon aurora]

fine for topic to change and all, and even touch taboos, I just don't want that to be so negative for someone it say, harms them or enables them

[halcyon aurora]

This is a good take

[outer minnow]

oh

[umbral ocean]

Is rational belief in religion possible?

[outer minnow]

you just got active @halcyon aurora

[rapid valve]

Religion is typically not about rationality, not about proving stuff but about belief and faith. And i do not think it is a reason to look down on religions

[tepid lily]

i agree

[rapid valve]

Ty for your approval uncle boobs

[sharp sage]

active green leaf? thats new

[halcyon aurora]

what the heck

Speaking of too much screen time rofl

[fallen mango]

did someone ever tell you you looks like shawn grows?

[halcyon aurora]

I have a very hot take since I someehat of a rationalist and religious

[inland raft]

fr

bro got active in 5 days

this is proof that the active system is rigged

i've been saying this for the past 5 years

[fallen mango]

i have maybe 4000 messages and i dont have active

[tepid lily]

well i do look like him

[opal isle]

i got honourable in 5 minutes, so anything is possible

[inland raft]

yeah tt we all know how you got that honorable

[fallen mango]

we all know honourable is nepotism

[halcyon aurora]

Dang I was hoping me getting active would be a speedrun record /j

[inland raft]

bro knows ball

[outer minnow]

mathcord color system 😢

[inland raft]

nah but fr how did you do it

i legit havent even seen you around these past days

[outer minnow]

ive seen people get it from using help channels

[halcyon aurora]

I have been here, enough to see you

[inland raft]

haha

[halcyon aurora]

I'm mostly in this channel or in #math-discussion and occasionally #discussion

[inland raft]

oh ok

yeah i dont ususally go to math discussion

so they probably give you more active points if you re talking in math discussion

[halcyon aurora]

I had some good talks in math discussion, and I also reacted a lot

[inland raft]

yeah yeah this must be it

[halcyon aurora]

I have no clue

[inland raft]

yeah yeah im telling you

shin can confirm

[odd narwhal]

Maths channels are weighted more. I don't know that reactions have anything to do with it

[fallen mango]

the corruption runs deep

[halcyon aurora]

TBH I am not trying to beat the system, and I am trying to avoid this tag since I know it will make me more targetrd

[inland raft]

exactly

[odd narwhal]

It's all assigned by the bot

[odd narwhal]

Not sure what you mean by this, but as of yesterday you can do /colour remove to go back to being white

Then /colour swap to go back

[halcyon aurora]

I am also aware of that

[outer minnow]

can an exception be made

[halcyon aurora]

Honestly I've probably been very active the past 5 days so

[odd narwhal]

Are you someone's alt?

[fallen mango]

whats up shin?

[outer minnow]

i have like 20k messages no activity role

[halcyon aurora]

who me?

[odd narwhal]

Literally impossible without rewriting the code

[inland raft]

you gotta be consistent

[odd narwhal]

Yea

[halcyon aurora]

I am not an alt, which probably helps tbh

[odd narwhal]

Hey, wrapping up grading for the semester atm

[fallen mango]

yapping final boss

[odd narwhal]

I was just wondering because it seems like you've picked up on a lot of stuff for only being here 5 days

[inland raft]

yeah its craqzy

[fallen mango]

what do you mean by grading?

[halcyon aurora]

I think I just have had no life the past 5 days

[odd narwhal]

I am grading homework

[outer minnow]

my texts are like house apart very inconsistent

[odd narwhal]

Out of 100, usually

[halcyon aurora]

The thing you need to know is I left the server and returned, and I also know a long time former member

[wet quarry]

are you a TA or prof?

[inland raft]

who

[fallen mango]

who’s?

[odd narwhal]

Ah, that's the detail I was missing

[odd narwhal]

TA, but I'm gonna be teaching a class over the summer

[flat harbor]

i have like 60 stacks of papers on my desk for grading

[odd narwhal]

I'm TAing master's algebra

[flat harbor]

my condolences

[odd narwhal]

I'm 3 psets behind

[halcyon aurora]

But tbh I wasn't here all that long on any occasion, I forget id I left last time upon getting active or not

[odd narwhal]

My class is called "ideas in math". I think I will have ungraded homework and a final presentation. Maybe students will have to present hw problems

[wet quarry]

wooow, i feel likei cant be left in positions of power or i will recreate this one prison experiment.
Anyways easy 1,3 in Galois THeory get wrecked

i hate you galois, frick you

[halcyon aurora]

This is crazier considering I was also muted for making a reference to Pythagoras that was kind of ridiculous here

[flat harbor]

thats either gonna be awesome or horrible

[halcyon aurora]

But that was a very justifies mute tbh lol

[odd narwhal]

I've still not decided what I wanna do exactly. Usually it's just intro to proof slop. Logic, sets, graph theory

I wanna do some cool stuff

Maybe some proofs from the book

Probably will start with some basic logic and set theory, here's how you write a proof etc then move on to the cool stuff

[fallen mango]

what are you pursuing after uni?

[halcyon aurora]

Oh and the former member is amukh1 (I actually think he's here still, but pretty inactive now)

[wet quarry]

acturial math thanks for asking

[odd narwhal]

I've been given freedom to grade as harshly as I want due to curving and I'm still going easy on them

[odd narwhal]

Well probably a professorship, although I'm kind of rethinking it now

[wet quarry]

you sound like my prof (linear algebra 2 had a 60% passing rate)

[odd narwhal]

60% is high or low?

[flat harbor]

depends on what the students look like iguess

[fallen mango]

🤔

[odd narwhal]

The only shitty thing is it's online

[flat harbor]

oh lol

[odd narwhal]

But I'm hoping if I make presentations a grading criterion people will actually engage

[wet quarry]

like 50% didnt even get the criteria to do the exam, and another 40 %didnt pass. Idk the exam in hindsight wasnt hard but there were crazy amounts of people not passing

[flat harbor]

well the person doing the presentation will be at least

[odd narwhal]

But it's also being attended by like, hs students, so hopefully they want to learn

[flat harbor]

oh lol

[odd narwhal]

Oh damn that's quite bad. And this is after he went easy on y'all?

[odd narwhal]

Not exclusively, it's a credits transfer program thing in addition to usual students taking the class

[flat harbor]

i think the only summer online course where i was actively participating was a reading course for law theory which was pretty fast paced and just a lot of work in general

[boreal atlas]

Wanting a new college for electrical engineering. Any good recommendations?

[flat harbor]

if u make it lax then if i was taking that course id probs alt tab and play league

[odd narwhal]

Another thing I was considering in terms of lectures to choose one or two big things and just work towards those/show applications of them the entire semester, showing other cool things along the way

I still have to talk the previous professors, decide on my grading policy, decide on my attendance policy, and decide on my actual course structure

[flat harbor]

wuldnt it start in like

[odd narwhal]

This is gonna be significantly more work than I thought

It's the second summer semester, it starts in july

[flat harbor]

oh ok

slowmode rly kneecapping my fastpaced chat habits. cray

[odd narwhal]

But they're pressing us to upload the syllabussy already "so they can get a jump on reading" but like, this is a 0 prereq course

Uhhh yea to prepare for this course please read Gödel, Escher, Bach and watch 5 3blue1brown videos

[flat harbor]

??

iguess thats what u expect from hs students taking college courses

[fallen mango]

not the syllabussy 😭

[odd narwhal]

You misunderstand. The people at penn are pressing the summer lecturers

[flat harbor]

ohh

[odd narwhal]

Like, the people in charge of the summer term

[dreamy swift]

yo shin wsp

[odd narwhal]

Hello

[flat harbor]

thats extremely sweaty of them

[dreamy swift]

how's the deep corners of life?

[odd narwhal]

I think it's more for actual real courses like law school or smth but whatever. I still haven't made the canvas website

[flat harbor]

but ill give em the benefit of the doubt and think its just smth they do so ppl dont start too late

[odd narwhal]

Very dark thanks for asking

[dreamy swift]

np blud

[flat harbor]

ive seen a lot of ppl make their canvas page like week 2 of semester

[dreamy swift]

it will be bright in the end i suppose

[odd narwhal]

That's crazy work. I wanna have it done like a week or 2 in advance because I'm also flying out for a summer school the same week

[flat harbor]

perks of online teaching

[halcyon aurora]

Dear goodness this is crazy

[odd narwhal]

I hate thinking about attendance and grading policy. Can we all just vibe and have a good time and learn together, and if you actually learned something you get an A

[odd narwhal]

Those fuckers moved the summer school from end of august to start of july

It's been end of august for YEARS, I was so caught off guard by this

[flat harbor]

does fall sem start at october there

[odd narwhal]

Our fall sem at penn starts September

I'm actually not sure when it starts in antwerp, which is where the summer school is

[pseudo gull]

what are ur opinion on just memorizing stuff for scoring in exam that can be just googled if we ever need it

[flat harbor]

i mean yea ive never seen unis in the same country have different starts to their acad year

[odd narwhal]

If it's not something that is gonna be important for your further studies idt it really matters, but usually you can't just memorise stuff to do well in maths tests (besides in computational classes)

[flat harbor]

i plan to memorise 4 or smth chs of hartshorne for finals

[pseudo gull]

what about memorising whole proofs like legit line to line

[odd narwhal]

I don't think you should be asked to prove a result from class on an exam, which is the only scenario in which this will help on its own

[pseudo gull]

exactly its a waste of time right? the education system is lowkey so flawed

[odd narwhal]

Also, if you actually understand the material you don't need to memorise the proof, only specific steps/equalities

[odd narwhal]

Adapting a proof from class is a different thing which is usually a fantastic exercise

[terse crypt]

I have math mock tomorrow and I didn't start yet what can I do to uhh help me study faster??

[flat harbor]

its neat how math n phys has different pedagogies for these things

i actly dont know what a good healthy physics exam wuld look like tbh

might not exist

[dreamy swift]

You in american school or smt?

[pseudo gull]

what will come in exams then tho? like in real analysis

because our endsem was just proofs

[halcyon aurora]

is Penn a top 100 school? Certainly a good school

[odd narwhal]

I'm gonna be teaching a course in an american university which I am attending as a PhD student, but attendance and grading policies are always relevant

[odd narwhal]

Who cares

[dreamy swift]

I see

[odd narwhal]

You're asked to prove things, but not things you've seen previously

[dreamy swift]

which PhD you doing (I might sound dumb hope u dont mind)

[flat harbor]

looking at undergrads its crazy how uni ranking means nothing

[odd narwhal]

Maths

[flat harbor]

no matter where u go, the default response is "they rly let anyone into college these days"

[dreamy swift]

i see

[odd narwhal]

Maybe similar things, but you have to do more than just paste a proof you've memorised

[pseudo gull]

look at the 7th one- and first two. like these are useless right

[flat harbor]

i mean

[dreamy swift]

Sad how in my area (u can identify), taking Physics Chemistry and Math or liking any science related subject apart from Biology means you are guaranteed engineer

like there are a lot of stuff apart from those

[flat harbor]

for workhorse courses u probs want to at least know the core ideas and be able to recite it

[dreamy swift]

or maybe i am just dumb

[odd narwhal]

Awful. A lot of this is either a 1-line application of a theorem (that they're usually cueing you up for) or "regurgitate this proof"

[flat harbor]

but theres probs more effort that can be put into these. ask the professors

[odd narwhal]

I'm not entirely sure I understand, script

[pseudo gull]

RIGHT OMG like this was our endsem and i was so angry because i think i didn't learn shit from real analysis course

[flat harbor]

time to go grade aah

[dreamy swift]

I mean, you live opposite side of my world, so i could understand

[inland raft]

i think i would love to grade tests

[odd narwhal]

Ok I actually went back and found my actual final (choose 5 out of 6).

For example, here's the first question:

Let f be differentiable on all of R, such that f'(x)>x for all x>0.

Define a_1=1, a_(n+1)=f(a_n + 1)-f(a_n)

A. Prove (a_n) is monotonically increasing
B. Prove lim a_n = infty

[pseudo gull]

wow those are actually good questions - i can't read the image tho.
do u guys make your own questions according to the theory?? so the students actually have to think to solve it

[odd narwhal]

There's a lot ways to get questions, you usually don't come up with them unless you get some idea, but adapt and borrow proofs from other sources. The more obscure the better, although well known exercises are often also important

[pseudo gull]

this seems like such a better way to make students learn ngl. the current system just makes sure u have a degree and nothing else. i believe a question where a student can write their own thinking about any theory or topic can be good too- like what did u understand from this and that theory and extra addition they want to do

[finite nebula]

How is the job market for mathematicians in Canada?
I am studying bachelors maths in Italy and i would like to emigrate to Canada after my bachelors since my girlfriend lives there. I would love to reunite with my gf asap which means id have to continue my studies in Canada, would it be possible to get a full scholarship for a graduate maths program as an international student? Does anybody know how it works?

[halcyon aurora]

There was a professor I had in modern algebra, who was like the hardest teacher I ever had, half the class dropped before the final.
When I went to see him at office hours mid semester I asked a question and showed him this weird thing, and he got really smug and was like "thanks for showing me."
Later I asked him more about this right before our final, and he was like "Oh man I wanted to put this on the exam but you remembered it" and that was my wake up moment that college exams are brutal at the late undergrad level lol

[odd narwhal]

Lmao based algebra prof

Do you remember what it was?

[halcyon aurora]

Yeah, it's an invented math thing so it's kinda locked in my brain

It was basically that if you take a multiplicative group of integers, you can produce a group of exponents.

like, Z/mZ -> E_m

Here E_m is probably most easily defined as the set of power functions (monomials) under composition, with the restriction that the monomials have to have a relatively prime exponent to phi(m)

like E_m 's set is x^e with gcf(e, phi(m)) = 1

I defined it differently though, and in a much weirder way. It would have been cruel to put on the exam imo. You can ask mathematical questions about that in #math-discussion too, idk if this is the right space or wtv

[halcyon aurora]

I still don't know what this E_m is used for, it's related to Carmicheal's theorems maybe

[odd narwhal]

It's fine to talk about it here, there's another active convo in math discussion rn

[halcyon aurora]

I defined the E_m thing under a bijective correspondence, but the correspondence doesn't actually have a group law, so that's about it really. Idk if your that interested for me to blather about it.

[odd narwhal]

I'm not sure I understand what the exercise would have been exactly on the exam

[halcyon aurora]

tbh I have no idea what he was planning

[halcyon aurora]

But I showed that this is an abelian group

[odd narwhal]

Also should the map be from (Z/mZ)^x?

[halcyon aurora]

No, it's a composition map, it's smaller than Z/mZ

[odd narwhal]

Are you also allowing negative exponents? Otherwise what is the group law exactly

[halcyon aurora]

and (Z/mZ)* actually

[odd narwhal]

You said multiplicative groups of integers, and then you used an additive one, that's why I'm asking

[halcyon aurora]

oh the group multiplies the exponents

I didn't say additive I don't think

x^a • x^b = x^(ab)

This is the cleanest representation but it took me a while to even form it this way, I just found this and then realized it was technically a thing afterwards

it might have a formal name tbh, idk that much about it

Also, I think m might have to be prime

which was deceptive, but I haven't looked at the composite case all that much

[halcyon aurora]

yk E_m might be confusing you, I'm using that as a name, not as something I am aware of with a group E

[odd narwhal]

I'm saying that Z/mZ is the additive group of integers, and you said multiplicative

[odd narwhal]

So are you allowing negative exponents?

Or fractional exponents?

Otherwise how is this a group?

[halcyon aurora]

Take m = 13. Then there are 12 elements in the multiplicative group of integers. φ(12) = 4, so there are four elements in the group when m = 13

[odd narwhal]

Actually this can't ever be a group. You can't compose 2 monomials and get x^0=1

Are you doing computation mod m? Cuz you haven't said that

[halcyon aurora]

for example x^1, x^5, x^7, x^11

[halcyon aurora]

no, I'm doing it mod φ(m)

It's a diffie hellman type operation

[odd narwhal]

Ahh, I see now

[halcyon aurora]

the elemtents are the functions that are a special set of monomials. For 13 I think it's isomorphic to Z/2Z x Z/2Z, I forget exactly.

might be Z/4Z

[sharp sage]

Why is there math in my serioussy

[odd narwhal]

It's Z/2 x Z/2

Every element is self-inverse

[odd narwhal]

It's not disallowed, and there was an ongoing convo in math discussy

[odd narwhal]

What I'm saying is you wrote Z/mZ which is the additive group of integers

[odd narwhal]

Here

[halcyon aurora]

yeah that's not what I meant, very good point lol

[odd narwhal]

Ok, glad we cleared that up

[halcyon aurora]

It comes from the multiplicative group

[halcyon aurora]

The function thing that I implied there by an arrow is a discrete logarithm, hence my interest. It's not in an encoded form though, which I find fascinating.

[odd narwhal]

I guess proving this is a group would be a nice exercise, in this presentation.

[halcyon aurora]

yeah, I'm sure something like that was in the profs head

[odd narwhal]

I see

[halcyon aurora]

Proving it's a group comes from using the properties of multiplication

Inverses is tricky until you use phi(m) is the size of the multiplicative group of integers, and phi(phi(m)) is the size of the special monomials group. It carries the properties from Z/phi(m)Zas a group

or maybe I should say (Z/mZ)* more accurately

[odd narwhal]

In general Z/phi(m)Z is not isomorphic to (Z/mZ)^x

[halcyon aurora]

oh that's good to know

[halcyon aurora]

In that case (Z/mZ)* is what I truly mean

To be completely frank with you, I'm a bit of a crank about this idea, and I may be making minir mistakes. Morally the idea is sound though

[odd narwhal]

Yea it's only true for odd prime powers, 2*odd prime powers, and also n=4

[halcyon aurora]

Only primes with a multiplicative generator have Z/phi(m)Z = (Z/mZ)*, interesting

or m I suppose

[halcyon aurora]

I think one can use whatever to spell out a theorem. But for me it's currently "Can you use it in a sentence" and "What's the definition"

[halcyon aurora]

idk, it's a lot

[umbral ocean]

The thing is, rationality is also based on axioms. So, why couldn't it be another axiom?

[open jacinth]

hey everyone

[inland raft]

Sup

[open jacinth]

I am checking out a brochure for a masters in business analytics and Ai

i saw the curriculum , but i am kinda sus about wether there is forecasting embeded in any of the courses

can i upload a screenshot for those who understand the modules ?

not sure if this is the right section to ask

[primal skiff]

Anyone into HFT

[neat lintel]

It's time to get... Serious

[willow anvil]

maui overwatch

[dire robin]

wtf what i did not expect the number to be that high

[next schooner]

Be extremely wary of infographics like these unless they actually list their sources properly

[dire robin]

https://www.southdenvertherapy.com/blog/domestic-violence-statistics

[next schooner]

Like don't get me wrong the rates at which women and queer people are victims of all manner of violence and abuse are quite shockingly high

But I'm immediately wary of this kind of statistic because "raped" is one of those words which has so many differing colloquial and legal definitions that it's challenging to know exactly what this is saying

I get the purpose of these things but I feel like at times they can be damaging

[dire robin]

Yeah, I probably should look into how they defined it

[next schooner]

Nothing to say about this particular article

Seems to come from the CDC's NISVS

[dire robin]

Yeah I traced it to there

[next schooner]

I unfortunately traced it to the most dystopian fuckin shit I've maybe ever just stumbled upon while browsing the internet

[dire robin]

What the fuck???

[full hornet]

gng what 😭 this is wild

[shadow palm]

Bad time?

[next schooner]

This is on the CDC website

horrifying

[shadow palm]

Hello Maya's alt

[honest dune]

(Switched accounts)
I wonder what prompted this. I do not recall them explicitly targeting such surveys

[next schooner]

I believe this is enforced across the entire federal government no

[honest dune]

I’m talking about a specific order that prompted this notice

Oh, this is the executive order that prohibits certain words

[slate turret]

They're making an overall effort to control what the truth is, sadly

[honest dune]

It seems to me that because the report also examined the relation of gender to IPV it triggered the “gender ideology” alarm

[halcyon aurora]

geez Trump's america

[halcyon aurora]

"...disconnected from truth" I think you mean "...disconnected from Truth Social"

I hate this administration

[rapid valve]

Wtf is this country

[shadow palm]

The Not so United States of America

[slate turret]

What are your hopes though? What is it that you're afraid of losing?

[sturdy flint]

my hopes are I will get to eat 2 delicious meals. I am afraid of losing those meals

[cerulean sage]

@teal lion come here blud

[slate turret]

@teal lion ping pong

[cerulean sage]

BRO

@teal lion

[low badger]

i hope you get those meals as well

[halcyon aurora]

who is this directed at?

[slate turret]

@teal lion

[cerulean sage]

if bro doesn’t respond i’m gonna slime him

[halcyon aurora]

no I'm here

[slate turret]

DM'd him and called him on Discord, no response

[cerulean sage]

same

[halcyon aurora]

or eho do you mean lol

And why does everyone ping randoms

[magic python]

I find it funny how to feel more rational under my dumb and annoying personality, guess negatives have positives accompanying them.

[slate turret]

I don't understand the "how to feel more rational" part of that sentence

[magic python]

Oh my autocorrect is a bitch, I meant how i feel more rational

[snow ice]

i don't find your personality that way. am I mistaken or have I not met you for long enough?

[magic python]

Annoying personally

[snow ice]

oh I see. you don't have to answer this but why?

[magic python]

Basically, I seem to have two major "states" I settle into that are quite different from eachother

[snow ice]

fair. either I act like a silly s**tposter or I am normal like this

[magic python]

Oh, acting childish, curious of things I literally know, worries, imprecise movements, saying random things, i am probably forgetting some others.

Also quite frankly, a sensitive idiot.

[snow ice]

I see... I feel like I act the same too sometimes. I just when I meet a person don't know how to introduce myself so I just put out a random meme and pray. I feel like I act offensive to people without knowing about it.

[magic python]

Oh yeah, acting different around new people is perfectly normal iirc

[snow ice]

I guess. I just feel like I'm too impatient and can't wait and it just tires some people. I don't feel the best about myself

[magic python]

I mean that's quite normal, no?

[snow ice]

I'm not sure, people dislike me for it so I think not.

[cerulean sage]

we’re ALL like that bro dw 😭

[magic python]

people also dislike normal things mate

[snow ice]

oh thanks. phew

[snow ice]

good point

[cerulean sage]

https://tenor.com/view/superman-dc-cartoon-tas-the-animated-series-gif-17426684

[halcyon aurora]

This is an incredibly normal feeling. The whole college comment on this, "Ducks that look nice on the outside, but underneath it's just funky waddling legs" comment always stuck with me. I think you seem both very likable and pretty reasonable from what I've observer

[snow ice]

thank you so much. this made my day. I really love this quote here. I might just be too worried of myself, and that may hurt me in the future. thanks.

[halcyon aurora]

Yeah I talked to a professor who told me this to cheer me up. Or maybe it was the dean of students. At any rate that man was a genius

Another thing, my perception is pretty weak sometimes, but I think if I understand correctly, others feel the same about you here, that you are nice

[snow ice]

I see... that's a really nice professor/dean of students. Thanks to you for cheering me up, and thank the man for cheering up you.

[snow ice]

I see... thank you for seeing me that way. :D Have a great day!

[alpine badge]

hey so idk who needed this but idk if anyone needed to hear this, I’m proud of you. seriously. you’ve pushed through stuff that most people never saw or understood, quiet battles that didn’t get recognition but still took strength to get through. that matters more than people realize.

even when it felt small or like it didn’t count, it did. getting through those moments, choosing to keep going, holding things together when it would’ve been easier not to, that takes a lot out of a person. and you did it anyway.

so yeah, you should be proud of yourself too. not just for the big obvious wins, but for all the hidden ones that didn’t get noticed. they still count, and so do you.

[halcyon aurora]

This server is gushing with happiness today it seems

[elfin bramble]

My absence tends to have that effect on people

[halcyon aurora]

There's some good joke here but eh it's #serious-discussion

[shadow palm]

I needed this today. Thanks :)
Hope you have a great day/night

[frosty zephyr]

Hello
Anyone here studying at university of Debrecen or university of pecs

[light thorn]

Dammit, god dammit. I fucking spent all day trying to do already overdue homework instead of trying to study for the calc 2 final in a few days like I wanted to. im gonna fail i was already cutting it close by planning on studying over the weekend but I cant do anything

[low badger]

that's kinda like me right now tbh

im cooked as well

[limber thunder]

been there, adhd executive dysfunction is unforgiving

always have had a hard time planning stuff like studying or now working on my PhD stuff in the long-term

[light thorn]

My sis says to just focus on the present, don't be upset about the things I can't control, like the past... but why? The problem is that I can't control anything

shes the only one I can even talk to about this

[outer minnow]

have you watched kungfu panda and when the turtle master says that quote

[ruby owl]

I'm sorry to hear that,but hey you're already try your best to put on that, that's your limit you can't over push it
We all have limit and that's okay
I hope somebody sees what you have been putting

[ruby owl]

Why is probability it's so hard I'm gonna cry

[low badger]

yesterday seemed so far away

i hate probblity also

😭

[ruby owl]

Seems like you do lol

[pearl flame]

anyone know enneagram?

the 9 tempers

[cyan silo]

hi

[slow pier]

Hi

[cyan silo]

hi

why is no one talking here???!??

[slow pier]

Hi continue

[cyan silo]

why is no one online here

[slow pier]

Because its serious discussion

[slate turret]

Say the thing you want to say. People will engage with it if they want

[glass peak]

@cyan silo out of curiosity, what do you mean by “the deep state” exactly

[cyan silo]

nato fbi cia ngo's

basically the traditional anti soviet and now anti russian establishment

basically liberal democracy in general

In my opinion both socialist parties (Actual ones unlike bernie sanders)
and even certain right wing parties (democratic ofc)
are good
but the centre left and centre right is bad

@glass peak

[glass peak]

Why exactly do you support both socialists and right wing parties? That’s pretty contradictory

[cyan silo]

well let me tell you a bit about my background then
I am russian american.
Now socialism and right wing parties have differnet philosophies, however most often they converge at one point as far as I have noticed

their philosophies are contradictory

but their policies usually are not, socialism as considered in the west is liberal or democratic socialism.
However when you compare it to actual marxist parties and parties that later included vanguardism and one country part to it, you will notice how socialism and right wing basically converges at a point

[rapid valve]

[cyan silo]

when you compare socialism in one country philosophy of comrade stalin
Or when you see GDR in pracitce, you will notice that GDR was basically what AFd wants today.

however with a differnt rhetoric

I fundementally believe that both far right (not all, certain elements) are meritocratic, centralized and civic nationalists.
which are similar to that of authoritarian communists.

@glass peak

@glass peak ?

[glass peak]

No, I want you to tell me specifically what it is that you support about both “right wing and socialist parties”

[cyan silo]

i would say discpline and anti globalism. Although I believe in the international worker I am against the international buisnessman and exploitation of workers

[glass peak]

So then how can you possibly claim to support right wing parties

Or support trump

[cyan silo]

i support trump because he is destroying the american deep state and nato

literally no other reason, i dont like trumps ideology

but he is a lot better than biden to whom our taxpayer dollars were used to kill our soldiers in ukraine

[glass peak]

So what you’re some sort of nazbol accelerationist?

[cyan silo]

im not nazbol it is a contradicotry philosophy fundementally

[glass peak]

So is claiming to a socialist trump supporter and a socialist who supports the invasion of Ukraine

[cyan silo]

i am by ideology and philosophy a marxist leninist.
However I feel that we ml's can cooperate with right wing parties and that even though philosophical goal of marx (communism) cannot be achieved in that way, we will end up with various states which are socialists by nature atleast

[old oak]

A disappointing number of left-wingers support the invasion of Ukraine for some reason

[cyan silo]

I am a Russian american, what the hell do you think I WILL SUPPORT?

[glass peak]

A lot of people online claim to because they think that being anti US is just being pro good, but it’s fundamentally out of line with any actual left wing beliefs

[short pivot]

regardless of “the deep state” and its existence, trump did really fvk these up lol

[old oak]

Yeah, I doubt it goes much deeper than "US is Bad, Russia is against US, so Russia is good", but it's wild to see from people I'd expect to know better.

[glass peak]

Well idk you claim not to be nationalist and just support the working class which should put your firmly in the anti war camp

[cyan silo]

bro...what is more concering is the fact a socialist will support nato

[cyan silo]

that is not how it works at ALL.
NATO was fundementally an anti communist alliance that now wants to integrate ukraine into its globalist structure

how is supporting international buisnesses pro worker?
I indeed support the working class, but I do not support the amercian buisnesssmen who will profit from destroying ukraine

[cyan silo]

I am sorry to say but you have no idea of what a socialist actually is.
Western definition of socialism and how Russia and traditional socialists view are at odds with each other

[glass peak]

No I think a supposed socialist larping as a man who constantly attacks trans people, takes away women’s rights, is an accused sex offender, has brought about immigration raids akin to nothing seen since the 40s, has started multiple wars and continues to fund and support a genocide is more concerning but that’s just me

I’ve never mentioned NATO here, that’s a distraction

[cyan silo]

you literally fail to understand my point

[glass peak]

I think you’re confusing online tankies with actual socialists again, easy mistake to make

[cyan silo]

THAT IS THE EXACT REASON I SUPPORT HIM, HE IS DESTROYING US AND DEEP STATE, NATO AND CIA.
which will make it easy for actual communist movements to rise.

[cyan silo]

if we go by your definition every single old person in russia is a tankie lmao

supporting soviet union is the standard view of socialists, not of "Tankies"

playing identity policits is not socialist, it directly contradicts marx

left wing and marxist are very differnt things, i already said i hate the centre left

[cyan silo]

by your definition marx would be a tankie, stalin would be a tankie, zhuganov will be a tankie

lmao stop being so disconnected and so biased towards west

[cyan silo]

who do you consider an actual socialist?

[glass peak]

Stalin would most definitely be considered a Tankie lol that’s where it comes from. Members of the British communist party who supported the use of tanks in the suppression of the Hungarian revolution

I don’t care to play no true socialist with a you, I just think you seem very deeply confused and find your LARP as trump frankly disgusting, especially as someone who claims to be a socialist

[cyan silo]

so stalin was not an actual socialist?

[cyan silo]

i indeed find trump disgusting too brother, but you fail to get my point

that is exactly my point, USA being disgusting will make people loose faith in global insittutions and nato, and thus help rise of socialist movements throughout the globe

[cyan silo]

literally "no USSR was not a socialist country"

[glass peak]

I understand what accelerationism is, I think it’s stupid but I know what it is. I still think there’s quite a gulf between that and larping as trump but I really don’t care to continue having this conversation

[cyan silo]

oh you are talking about my pfp?

oh okay then ill change it bro wait

[burnt ledge]

@cyan silo Do you think Trump is catalysing the breaking down of America or is it largely out of his hands?

[tiny path]

why so serious

[paper tapir]

At first I thought serious discussion means discuss why I can't get a girlfriend 😔..

[slate turret]

I mean that could turn into an engaging psychological and societal conversation if you approach it the right way

[paper tapir]

Bro... What is the right way

[slate turret]

Talk about your view of the world, research it, get views from others, contrast it with yours, and aim for the truth.

[rapid juniper]

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=5891994
What do you think about this paper ?

[neat lintel]

wts wrong with ur pfpic ?

[low badger]

this guy is def trolling

[paper tapir]

mind blowing.. bro ....do you self study quantum physics

[low badger]

there's no way you can be a far right socialist

[pearl flame]

u can , if u have the will, maybe be a far left republican. people are absurd, to say the least, they are contradictory, we aren't born pro or against.

we must be like I want money to share it with the world, which would make us socialists who capitalise, like robin hood

[ionic wraith]

What sucks about the Hungarian Revolution is how the protesters were mainly libertarian socialists, rather than say capitalist-backed insurgencies

There was a clearly better side in the dynamic

[brazen mulch]

congratulations; the inevitable happened 😎

[sharp sage]

Quick question where do u live

[brazen mulch]

?

[sharp sage]

Which city do u live in

[brazen mulch]

wild question 💀

[slow pier]

I liked it better when AI did not exist lol

Now there is AI slop all over the internet. It feels the same way we ruined earth with pollition but orders worse (not in that sense. The earth is more important than the internet)

[zealous garden]

big win, terrifying implications

[slow pier]

It is indeed a big win

[zealous garden]

while this means the AI hell slop may prove to not be as bad as we feared, it also means that the costs of running AI have grown a large amount. I wonder what could possibly cause that other than production issues related to the servers

[storm sage]

real

[zealous garden]

and if it's production issues related to servers and data centers, then I bet it's environmental

[storm sage]

it says "can cost more" so I bet this is some sort of premium AI model with super high compute

and the internet will still be filled with bad AI model slop

[zealous garden]

notsobleak

you mean the corporatizing is helping us this time?

well here's the thing, we know how corporations work. So if it's just certain premium models, those will eventually spread to every provider, and will eventually take over features that used to be free, while also making them worse

that will be a big win

the AI will get more expensive and worse

tfw humans survive the singularity because corporate greed neutered skynet to ineptitude

[stoic tusk]

seriously

[slow pier]

I would never have thought

[zealous garden]

that would be the reality we live in wouldn't it

[stoic tusk]

let's see what sad orphan yj :( has to say

[undone imp]

What's up

[zealous garden]

tbf, the internet was filled with slop before. The quantity and acceptance is astonishing.

I mean maximize corporate profits and my personal likelihood of employment? I have motivation

[storm sage]

before LLMs though the slop was easily detected and filtered out because it usually looked awful

[zealous garden]

add on that I can easily convince myself it's a moral good

[zealous garden]

Yeah, I guess it just reveals how shallow many people's appraisal can be

I fear for the children

[storm sage]

the awful thing about LLMs is both that there's so much more slop now and also it takes longer to filter properly (if LLM text can even be distinguished reliably from human text)

[zealous garden]

I doubt you can reliably distinguish, I mean there's flags but like say a game uses LLMs to generate offhand one-liners

of course that's less sloppish, in small amounts

but the point is that the sample size is small now but it should grow in proportion. And a lot of people seem to think that the LLM writing style is a result of the training data, if it is then it's not a stretch to suggest that it can evolve in a directed manner

[rapid juniper]

yes

[paper tapir]

which books did you do for starting?

[rapid juniper]

i do courses but like 4 years ago i read one book on it that i dont remember the name

also that was more relativity

[paper tapir]

oo.. i do a course but i like reading more than hearing lecture

[shut thunder]

Hey its eventually guaranteed to entropy itself out of issue

Will there be water at that point tho?

[glass peak]

I honestly don’t know much about it, I should definitely look into it, but yeah this isn’t out of line with the history of the USSR

[ionic wraith]

There’s also an element of discrimination because since sweat shops in Nigeria and Kenya were majorly involved in curating the training data, people are more likely to assume Nigerian English or Kenyan English are just LLM text

[ionic wraith]

True, rip the Socialist Revolutionary Party

[ionic wraith]

It’s gonna be so cool when Gavin Newsom becomes president and I still can’t switch my passport gender from M to F because he, being a snake piece of shit, found it opportunistic to cater to transphobes for electoral support

[umbral ocean]

If biological computing makes it through, the most valuable thing a human can do would be to just die so that their brain can be harvested.

[umbral ocean]

Passports are international though. I don't think he even has jurisdiction to change passport norms world over.

[ionic wraith]

I have a U.S. passport so it affects me since he has jurisdiction over my passport

[umbral ocean]

He still cannot change the definitions of Gender used for passports.

[true zinc]

gross wtf

[umbral ocean]

I feel it's wrong. I saw it in a video essay on YouTube.

[ionic wraith]

Yes he can, Biden made it so that gender on passport was a matter of self identification and Trump changed it to reflect genders on previous passports or gender on birth certificate

[umbral ocean]

Why are Americans allowed to change something that is standardized globally in the first place? 😭😭

[sharp sage]

Is gender on passports standardized globally tho?

[odd narwhal]

Absolutely not lmao

[umbral ocean]

I would assume so. Because it was designed long before the T part of the LGBTQ revolution and the T part of the LGBTQ revolution looks very different in different parts of the world.

[sharp sage]

Wtf is a T part

[sharp sage]

Okay then what is this guy basing his "internationally standardized" claim on then

[odd narwhal]

Like they said, they just assume that's how it is. There's no international standard, and every country does stuff differently with their passport. There is some amount of international standardisation but mostly in the boring parts like how passport numbers work.

It doesn't matter how gender identification is decided on a passport because it's not like it's something border control can verify or test against

[odd narwhal]

Many countries allow you to self identify your gender on identity documents. Some have more hoops to go through (like getting a doctor's note), but it's ridiculous to pretend this was uniquely American

[ionic wraith]

1. It isn’t standardized globally
2. If it is standardized globally, I would want the standardization to involve ability to change gender on passport with self ID or just straight up abolishing gender on passports

It’s actually crazy when I learned that SEPTA transit cards in Philadelphia had gender on the card and were so strict that bus drivers would deny entry on the bus for trans people

[odd narwhal]

Gender on passports is kind of stupid to begin with. Either gender is something you can identify by looking at someone, in which case, you have a photo, or gender isn't something you can identify by looking at someone, in which case it's useless on a passport because it's impossible to verify for the people who would need to do so

[ionic wraith]

Yeah I would more prefer gender not being on a passport

[ionic wraith]

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/septa-to-drop-gender-stickers-from-transpasses/1958401/?amp=1

Like that’s crazy that finally ended just 14 years ago

[ionic wraith]

My birth certificate doesn’t have a gender

[odd narwhal]

That's insane

Gender stickers to prevent sharing, what a load of bollocks, I guess it's fine to share if you're the same gender

[ionic wraith]

People are the same gender are never frens and never help each other out, this is true and cannot be disproven

[vast wraith]

thats not how any of this works…

in norway it’s easy to change your legal gender for the time being

[empty flint]

I am thinking of revisiting combinatorics to better appreciate the beauty behind each question, and eventually I want to connect it with computer science. I plan to start with the book Proofs That Really Count by Arthur T. Benjamin and Jennifer J. Quinn. Is this a good choice? If not, what else would you recommend?

[vast wraith]

but up until 2016 this was conditional on having gone through bottom surgery, in particular then: sterilization

it’s interesting that this was not actually required by law, it was just somehow how the process had become standarized

[umbral ocean]

The Trans rights revolution.

[umbral ocean]

It does. ICAO allows users to get non binary gender passports with X as the gender.

Under International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) standards, gender (known in their
guidelines as ‘sex’) is one of four mandatory personal identifiers contained in a passport. A
passport must include either the letter ‘M’ (Male), ‘F’ (Female) or ‘X’ (unspecified) both in the
visible fields of the passport and encoded on the biometric chip.
8.2 ‘X’ is not a required option under ICAO guidelines and it is the decision of the issuing country
whether to offer this option or not.
8.3 ‘There are currently no plans by ICAO to change their standards and requirements.

[heavy pagoda]

i mostly agree with this

i think there's something to be said though about border security staff being allowed to do strip searches

[umbral ocean]

The USA just delays passports with X markers so much that people don't get it at all.

[heavy pagoda]

in which case gender of passengers beomes a bit more consequential

[umbral ocean]

You have standards to support you

Just a government that refuses to do so

[heavy pagoda]

that being said, they are allowed to strip search whomever they want so maybe it doesnt matter

[odd narwhal]

X is not a required option

So the guidelines don't actually matter if the issuing country disagrees, and there are no plans to change this.

This is also tangential because it doesn't* touch on people who want to change their gender marker from M to F or vice versa

[umbral ocean]

The right thing to do is to have both columns, Preferred Gender and biological sex. The second one will be required for emergency medical care and security purposes.

[heavy pagoda]

like gender identity vs AGAB?

[umbral ocean]

Oh, it is just not allowed in the USA. ICAO mentions nothing. So, they get away with it legally.

[odd narwhal]

It's not true that ICAO mentions nothing. It explicitly allows countries to reject the option

[heavy pagoda]

like the thing that would fully resolve this is probably having something like gender identity/srs status/AGAB as three things

[sharp sage]

people with ummm for lack of a better word, anomalous sexual characteristics doesnt fit into this scheme?

[heavy pagoda]

tha show up on a databse when you scan the passport

[umbral ocean]

It's the AI summary that says that. I can't find an official mention of what ICAO actually says.

Let me know if you all do.

[sharp sage]

!Noai

[quasi jetty]

Please do not trust ChatGPT or similar AI tools for mathematical tasks, as they often generate output which "sounds correct" but has numerous factual or logical errors. Use of these AI tools to answer other people's help questions is strictly against server rules (see #rules).

[odd narwhal]

I don't see how AGAB matters, especially if someone has already undergone gender affirming surgery. To me all this does is make the document permanently out you as trans.

I struggle to envision a circumstance in which you'd need medical attention that depends on your biological sex characteristics in which someone would have to look at your passport to figure that out

[umbral ocean]

X covers all the non binary people and anomalous ones like Klienfelter's

Supposed to cover*

[heavy pagoda]

like if they strip search you having some awareness of what your uh

anatomy is might be relevant

[sharp sage]

cant they just reject the X field, plus agab is based on well phenotypes

[odd narwhal]

What if I have boobs and a dick?

[heavy pagoda]

agree this would probably be uniformly better than AGAB

[umbral ocean]

They can. But, governence doesn't worth that way. You have to understand that WHO had to classify transgenderism as not a mental disease according to governance. It's not fair and it's a lot more complex than we think.

[odd narwhal]

Many intersex people don't identify as nonbinary in terms of gender, but also aren't definitively one sex or the other

[umbral ocean]

Oh and changing it will be a nightmare

[odd narwhal]

You think WHO (and the DSM-5 etc) reclassified transgenderism as not a mental illness because of "governance"? And not because of developing science and understanding?

[umbral ocean]

The problem is a lot more complex than people being bigots. Gender is wrapped in too many governance nightmares and I'm sorry that you all are the generation that has to fight to change this

[umbral ocean]

No, the exact opposite. It took till the 21st century for it to be accepted on paper (governance) it when it had been around in cultures for so long.

Governance doesn't evolve at the speed of science 😅

Also, DSM-5 is a governance nightmare in itself right? Sorry all my knowledge comes from a single Ted Talk from 2015.

It mentions how aggressive they were in deciding things were diseases. Like just kids being kids was being flagged as ADHD and kids were being dosed with medication.

[odd narwhal]

Ah, I see what you're saying now. Yea, agreed. The worst part is that it can be easy, evidently by looking at how it works in countries like Norway, but certain powerful groups are using anti-trans activism and gender essentialism as identity markers to consolidate power

[odd narwhal]

Absolutely. The history of psychiatry is riddled with so many fucked up shit

[umbral ocean]

Bruh, you guys are trying to change the world. Are you surprised that the people you are fighting against use governance as a way to stop you? 🤷‍♂️

Tbh, I am not exactly a supporter of the Western Transgender movement lmao

But, everyone has a right to live simply and comfortably

[halcyon aurora]

How did we get here I just arrived

[umbral ocean]

Things should be debated openly instead of being hidden in red tape so that people can't even contest it.

[odd narwhal]

That's not my point. What I'm saying is that these issues weren't a big deal or a central identity marker 50 years ago. Even 20 years ago.

This is similar to how abortion was not really a problem for most american protestant Christians until about the 1970s, when Jerry Falwell and Paul Weyrich went around using the issue of abortion as a moral.panic to consolidate power within american evangelicals, and they did this because they wanted more support for segregation in evangelical institutions

[umbral ocean]

Can't the exact same be said about Trans rights though? It wasn't an issue till a decade or so ago (just the gender preferences part, not the genetically different section)

Homosexuals have been fighting since World war 2 for context

[odd narwhal]

Trans people have always been a part of the LGBT movement and fighting for their rights. A lot of important figures in the struggle for lgbt rights were trans. Idk where this narrative trans people or the movement for trans rights didn't exist until a decade ago is coming from.

Biosocio literally posted an article about a problem that trans activists were fighting 15 years ago

Also, there is no ulterior motive or consolidation of power going on in the struggle for trans rights? Not in any way comparable to the e.g. issue of abortion

[halcyon aurora]

I'm a little confused why "a decade ago" is being conflated with "since WWII"

[odd narwhal]

Also saying people have only been advocating for gay rights since ww2 is also ridiculous. That's just when the issue became globalised and started gaining marginal popular support

[umbral ocean]

I mean, where I am from, Trans rights have been an issue since 5000 BC lol, but it was always about genetic ones like Klienfelter's syndrome. It wasn't about the gender identity conflict. They just wanted a clear non binary classification and got it clearly (only in the year 2013. So, literally a 7000 year struggle).

The gender identity driven issues are exclusive to the Western trans rights movements. Heck, when the trans rights movement arose, a lot of them were quite opposed to people with gender identity issues identifying as trans, but they were eventually included in the movement under a single banner.

[odd narwhal]

I'm not sure why you keep conflating intersex with gender identity. One can have Kleinfelter's and not identify as nonbinary

[odd narwhal]

Can you provide proof for this?

[umbral ocean]

In the western view of transgenderism, yes.

[odd narwhal]

In the modern scientific perspective

[umbral ocean]

Would be hard, it's my memory from a news article I read when I was 19. I'm 28 now 😭

[umbral ocean]

Not really. It's just nomenclature. Nothing scientific about what you classify as what.

Where I am from, "Transgender" refers to "Intersex" from the western view and the Gender identity issues are completely absent from the discussion.

[odd narwhal]

Yes really? Science today understand gender and sex as distinct things, and this is backed up by all the best evidence we have. It's not just nomenclature

[odd narwhal]

You see now THAT is nomenclature. Differentiation of gender and sex is a scientific observation

[umbral ocean]

Yes, but intersex and transgenderism are too conflated in the western view and I don't agree with it. These are two separate debates.

[umbral ocean]

For me the newer one would be the nomenclature right? 😅

[odd narwhal]

Conflated by whom?

[wary remnant]

What is this argument even about

[umbral ocean]

I'm just being asked Socratic questions on my views about the Western Trans rights movement

Feel free to join.

[wary remnant]

Wasted too much time today cant bother anymore

[halcyon aurora]

ShiN is saying they are explicitly not conflated, scientifically separable, etc.

[umbral ocean]

In the Western view. I have literally seen people say that Intersex people are not trans because they have a clear gender identity.

[odd narwhal]

Also, trans people (in the "western" meaning) have existed in many cultures prior to the term even existing, and I'm specifically referring to people with a distinct gender identity.

Here's an example of a non-intersex person rejecting gender entirely in 1776:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Universal_Friend

[umbral ocean]

Exactly. If scientifically separable, why under the same umbrella of "Trans rights"?

[odd narwhal]

Ok well, I'm talking about scientific consensus. I can't really argue against memories of news articles from 10 years ago and things people have said

[odd narwhal]

This is a political debate that has nothing to do with the scientific understanding of sex and gender

[umbral ocean]

Bruh, like I said, I can give an example from 5000BC and the word used for intersex person is the modern-day equivalent of "transgender"

[odd narwhal]

Public Universal friend is explicitly NOT intersex, and isn't transgender but rather rejected gender entirely, which was my point. The concept of non-binary non-intersex people and also non-intersex people identifying and living as the opposite gender has existed for centuries

[umbral ocean]

Okay, then aren't my qualms about clubbing all those different world views into a single "Trans rights" banner, which I have to either support or be called a hater more legitimate?

[sharp sage]

I didnt know this person existed

[umbral ocean]

Like I have to either reject gender completely or I have to support Trump. I can't have a nuanced opinion politically, solely because the Western Trans rights movements compress several complex philosophies, often counter intuitive to physiology, into one banner which I am forced to agree with just because I know that a lot of people under that banner have suffered for centuries and they really deserve a break.

[halcyon aurora]

It's generally disrespected here to "catch strays" with another political conversation during a different political conversation

[ionic wraith]

I tend to talk a lot about and focus a lot on Israel, ICE, other draconian institutions,

but in terms of absolute harm, they pale in comparison to how many people will suffer/die when the climate crisis really starts to accelerate in severity

And with that, the fossil fuel industry has essentially exercised free reign to engage in unlimited drilling and extraction, and our media institutions have been so severely captured that it barely makes headlines and if it does it’s considered not severe at all

Meanwhile South Asia looks insane

[umbral ocean]

Nah, as far as reports go, the rich will be almost completely unaffected by Global warming at the rate it's accelerating. We have completely stopped a runaway global warming (+4°C scenario).

[ionic wraith]

No we haven’t lmfao

[halcyon aurora]

I think this reveals your core point though, which might be (correct me otherwise!) that you feel like things are extreme politically speaking, and trans rights are getting lumped into a larger political body that becomes polar.

[ionic wraith]

We could be on track for +8

by the end of the century

[magic summit]

i used to think global warming is unreal but now when my cold water tap delivers boiling water i think otherwise (indian btw)

[umbral ocean]

Kurtzgezat did a video on it. They quote the scientific literature in that. It's about why we shouldn't lose hope of stopping climate change.

[sharp sage]

move off world already

[magic summit]

tell me you were wishing for your bjp supporter relatives to burn to hell without telling me

[umbral ocean]

We were always a desert geographically and solely dependent on the South West monsoon winds for cool weather. That's why the Northern Hemisphere has summers in August and we have summers in May

[verbal quest]

https://tenor.com/view/winnie-the-pooh-pooh-honey-hunny-eating-gif-17053025

[umbral ocean]

Like we have never seen peak Indian summers 😭😭😭. Imagine that 😭😭😭

Actual peak Indian summer can cook steak to medium rare.

[magic summit]

whose we here? india is not a desert except for a specific state.

[umbral ocean]

(Thankfully, it can never happen)

[ionic wraith]

Kurtzgezat laughable failed to name the culprits behind the climate crisis who have spent decades deliberately obscuring and denying the phenomenon because he wants to be as palatable to a general audience.

Any action against the climate crisis requires antagonism against money hungry highly organized powerful actors

If we’re gonna survive the climate crisis while maintaining modern industrial capabilities, the system of capitalism cannot survive

[umbral ocean]

That is literally the very first line of the video. He literally mentions how those corporations spread hopelessness to continue their idiocy. Can you watch first and then complain? 😭😭😭😭

[umbral ocean]

Read the entire thing dude. I wrote how the South west monsoon is the only thing keeping India from turning into a desert. That's why I said "geographical" desert.

[rapid valve]

Kurtzgesagt saying that is agood reason not to believe it

[halcyon aurora]

Honestly this whole thing where the Indian subcontinent just decides to be 10 billion °K reminds me of what happened to Brazil not that long ago

[magic summit]

You need to study geography again. Only Rajasthan is a desert, rest most of the northern india is Northern gangetic plains, which lies by river and where life can survive + vegetation. I agree that south west monsoon plays a big part but if you neglect the himalayas, the western ghats and the plateaus for their part, then thats on you

[halcyon aurora]

It was similar temperatures last summer (?) and I remember thinking in that humidity that's oppressive

not to mention the whole thing that happened in the UK before that, where no one has AC. Kids were like chilling at the arcade just to be happy.

[umbral ocean]

Oh my God. Can you actually read what I am writing or just going to keep saying the same nonsense?

Is your counterfactual thinking absolutely 0?

If South West Monsoon didn't exist, India = Desert. Talking about how awesome India's current geographical diversity is is completely irrelevant to what I am saying......

[steep moth]

@magic summit your image

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[magic summit]

thanks man

[magic summit]

@umbral ocean heres an analysis of your statement

[steep moth]

When you get img perms eventually, become an Embed Assistance steward

This is a message from (EA)

[magic summit]

alright bro

[umbral ocean]

So, despite giving 5 followup explantations, you can analyse one sentence from the first message, which doesn't even include the explanation?

[umbral ocean]

Analyse this please 😭

[magic summit]

I agree with your point about south west monsoon But to think that india would become a "desert" is theoretical and hypothetical. We still have wells, rivers seas lakes groundwater to support the system. but yes there would be an imbalance in absence of south west monsoon

[umbral ocean]

Okay, simply think about this. Entire Northern Hemisphere has peak summers in August. We have peak summers in May (even in the Thar desert). We literally don't even experience the hottest part of the summers in the Northern hemisphere and we are still the hottest country in the northern hemisphere.

[magic summit]

I feel like its because of the heat dome high pressure system which is causing such high temperatures, otherwise it could have been that the general cold wind flowing from west is disturbed and hence the situation
Not to forget we have monsoon in july-august period

[sharp mulch]

One must not neglect geographic impacts; the Himalayas have a significant warming impact on India by keeping warm air trapped

[magic summit]

True

[light thorn]

Hah, case in point. here we are ruminating over the past, and what could have been.

[limber thunder]

yeah technically true @ the Lovecraftian adjective

i wish humanity as a whole would adopt renewables and nuclear power faster, there's definitely some Big Oil interests actively working against that in "the West" esp. the US

[light thorn]

Global warming is just another thing that makes me feel like I'm at a true dead end in life. All this shit goin on, never able to keep up with the world and losing all my oppertunities to experience the world as it should be.

[limber thunder]

it's just ridiculously more efficient than burning some distilled dinosaurs we're already past the 19th century

[pseudo gull]

can we talk about how sugar coating things or like being fake nice is actually more bad for a person asking advice

i see people sugarcoating things on reel and stuff

yea person experience i actually don't give out fake compliments - only the genuine ones

[magic summit]

if you try to make everyone happy you end up making no one happy

[ionic wraith]

These are all valid terms to sign but I wish it was a two way street of professionalism because there's so many vaginoplasty surgeons who (tw violation of medical ethics) ||are massive chasers and want to sleep with the transwomen they do surgery on where they 1) are less accommodating to the wishes of trans lesbians 2) purposely fuck up the surgery in subtle ways if the patient doesn't reciprocate flirting/suggestiveness||

[sharp sage]

"hippocratic oath/medical integrity my ass" - them probably

[ionic wraith]

surgeons are pretty notorious for not giving a shit about the hippocratic oath

[limber thunder]

oh what the actual fuck

[sharp sage]

if you are a doctor just be a nice one 😔

[limber thunder]

that's messed up i lowk would support R&D in robotic surgery tools (and ofc more trans representation in med fields which ig would partly mitigate this kinda stuff, although i feel like med in general is a cesspool @ ethics and morality -- very hard problem(s) to tackle)

[ionic wraith]

I will but I'm not going into surgery, it's 1) far more of my livelihood getting fucked 2) I'm just not good with visuospatial intelligence

[dense wraith]

I think it is highly variable, but I'd usually prefer honesty

[light thorn]

As something people are happy with, as something worth experiencing, and living in. Hearing people complain about the weather, like the heat or the lack of snow, always disturbs me. They aren't happy now, they ain't gonna be happy any point in the future, either.

[cedar shore]

which field do you intend to specialize in?

[ionic wraith]

either psychiatry, psychiatry + family medicine, psychiatry + internal medicine, psychiatry + neurology, or being crazy af and doing a combined psychiatry + PhD residency program. I've also kinda found interest in OB/GYN as I seem to do pretty good testing-wise on female reproductive topics but I would have to undergo that medical rotation to really see if that's my thing

I am ultimately more interested in being a medical researcher than a full-time doctor, and/or travelling the world doing work in developing country