serious-discussion

[native nimbus]

guys what’s the

umm

ummmm ummm what is a problem in math u think is probably undecidable

[honest ridge]

I've spent some fair time on mathcord today! I've to go out with my cat Shiro as usual
I just want to say something to all of YOU are amaaazing people and that I love our mathcord sooo much. Stay safe all of you lovely mathcord users

[neat lintel]

Take care man

[uncut bronze]

awwww

[faint hill]

Salutations

[cosmic cloak]

Thx

[viscid arch]

Hi guys

[haughty dove]

Yep

[vernal silo]

Its not something we think

Math is undecidable

[nova copper]

maths

why is engineering math taught so badly

like my lecturer just doesn't explain the math behind anything well and its annoying

also is there a faster way to solve Fourier series problems

[gritty heath]

If you mean computing the coefficients, no

Usually not

[nova copper]

fuck

I hate maths

[sharp sage]

Shah mat

[nova copper]

yeah I hate doing this

[nova copper]

hih

huh*

[viscid arch]

H

[calm ice]

dont do this

[native nimbus]

don’t do true? ):

[lament hemlock]

Anyone here good at cybersecurity and experience in CTFs

[gusty ore]

hi

can i get help in calculus/

[magic python]

!help

[quasi jetty]

To ask for mathematics help on this server, please open your own help channel or help thread. See #❓how-to-get-help for instructions.

[gusty ore]

thankxxx

how do we start?

[magic python]

Once you open a help channel, just ask your question and a user should assist at some point

[gusty ore]

i can do that but one O one session would be great!

[magic python]

We don't tend to do one on one's here

[gusty ore]

not even explanations?

[magic python]

No not really, though some users won't just head in a help channel if another user is explaining

[round abyss]

a 1-on-1 session is devotion of someone's time that not everybody is willing to give out for free

[gusty ore]

thats true

actually

[magic python]

Plus it's hard to moderate

[gusty ore]

kindaa

[round abyss]

there are also many explanations for things free online behind a single google search. if there is any specific confusion, a help channel is yours to occupy

[magic python]

And if the person says something wrong (many helpers don't have big formal educations), nobody could say that

[round abyss]

there is usually always someone able to help. but don't expect it to be fast or consistent

[gusty ore]

okay

btw what r ur qualifications?

@round abyss n @magic python

[magic python]

Many users here don't exactly have

Some users have done university though

[round abyss]

i'm in high school. many people here are as well, or at least are in undergrad

but anyway the fastest way to get help is to

[gusty ore]

soo most of em are undergrads!

well

[willow meteor]

[sharp sage]

No.

,whohas pre

[fathom swallow]

Members in Pre-University Math (Page 1/5335)
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3.   dingschildxoxo
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9.   swardforever
10.  sovengative
11.  thegoldenratio1.6180339887
12.  raniapatate_40752
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14.  tahainho
15.  retr0aura
16.  alexx4.
17.  yactus010
18.  clemjeb
19.  zisics
20.  ava_isabella_```

[sharp sage]

,whohas undergrad

[fathom swallow]

Members in Undergraduate Math (Page 1/4303)
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1.   theitaliangame
2.   cyrenux
3.   4nzon
4.   nyxzore
5.   doctorstrangejr
6.   kannyxdupetit_55687
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8.   rumaan11100111
9.   d1_dw
10.  hzh. 
11.  1risbene
12.  ton.2048
13.  jessepin1
14.  utop1a.
15.  hghnfyhhvf
16.  1toni
17.  jjadsore
18.  palou.
19.  maricupcakebug69
20.  limamyal```

[sharp sage]

A quick inspection reveals that 5335 > 4303

[cursive ember]

can you tell me a safe site to get that ? Itsuki

[stoic tusk]

Well hello there

Hmm

Piracy isn't promoted here so I'm gonna solicit your dms

[cursive ember]

Yea

[quick talon]

hello

[mild bison]

isn't it funny how people help each other here for free

[worn nest]

what's funny about helping each other for free

[mild bison]

it's funny because it's surreal

in a good way

[dusty smelt]

The world is surprisingly a good place

[lyric ivy]

yeah nowadays everything is paywalled and malicious

[mild bison]

i am camping help zone

trying to spawn kill requests

but its so slow

[stone meadow]

in maths we mostly multiply symbols even tho the multiplying operation isn't shown, so it's clearly 5x3x3x5 and 4x3x0x3

the 0 makes them all zero so it's clearly
225 and 0 only, and 0 is bigger than 225 so it's clearly 4303 > 5335
( I am too good at maths ^^)

omg people not knowing operations smhhhh, the minor details please guys ;-;

[dry ember]

so um
i tried explaining to an 11 year old that position = velocity times time plus acceleration divided by two and multiplied by time squared
(i know there's also a plus initial position but that wasnt relevant to the discussion)
and while she understood why it was time squared, she did not understand why acceleration was divided by two
and um my first attempt to explain why was essentially the same as how this reddit post tried to explain it https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/diya55/eli5_why_is_the_acceleration_divided_by_2_in_x_xo/
but it didnt work

like
she understood it when i laid it out like this:

Bob's velocity: 5
Bob's position: 5x

(she understood the concept of x being time)

Kevin's velocity: 4 + 1x
Kevin's velocity: 4x + (1/2)x^2

she understood the x being squared
but, again, she didnt understand why the divided by 2 was there

[limpid solstice]

why not teach the non-instantaneous definition of acceleration?

[dry ember]

omg thank you so much
i was just given the idea of graphing velocity out on desmos and just explaining it was the space under the line

[limpid solstice]

np also wtf we go to the same uni

thats kinda funny

[dry ember]

oh wtf
i didnt notice that

[limpid solstice]

yeah i just thought your username sounded familiar

thats neat

[dry ember]

probably on the free software server?
that was the last time i said something in a uni discord server

[limpid solstice]

yeah, i think

[placid saffron]

Hey anyone here

[fervent karma]

Yes?

[exotic bear]

yeah

[quartz herald]

mhm

[cedar trench]

Mhm

[forest helm]

Hey y'all anyone here who's from france or germany..? Im planning on studying for my postgraduate engineering degree in either one of the two.. and i would wanna hear from a native about the environment and top unis and their programs..

[limpid bridge]

is there anyway to draw math image like number lines, coordinate system, on text editor like libreoffice writer

• i wanna write simple math book for what i have learnt

[bright jasper]

no

unless it lets you like draw it

[limpid bridge]

Is there tool to draw them

[muted moon]

yes - Latex

Learn to write in LaTex and use the Tikz library for diagrams

thats how every textbook is written

[limpid bridge]

i can work with latex fine, havent tried to draw diagrams with it

im in love with latex tbh

[muted moon]

look into tikz library in latex

and use ai to help you draw diagrams

[limpid bridge]

im looking at how to install tikz on arch

[muted moon]

ah i just use overleaf

[main berry]

@half orchid If you'd like we could talk about the maths that you're wanting to learn?
(if not that's okay 😄

Or about Category theory haha

[half orchid]

bro, but i barely know anythin about that honestly

my knowledge is within jee sylabus

[main berry]

But hm... have you ever done change of variables in integration?

[half orchid]

like what

substitutions?

[main berry]

can you integrate (x-5)^7 ?

[main berry]

Yeah^

[half orchid]

absolutely. you cant do much without it

[main berry]

Yeah!

[half orchid]

although here the function is linear and differential gives one only. so you dont even need substituion

[main berry]

Well the general form of the change of variables is:

$$\int_a^bf(x)dx = \int_c^d f(g(y))g'(y)dy; \quad x = g(y), \ a = g(c), \ b = g(d)$$

[fathom swallow]

Varixiuqlhfbgraijbzjnqghppxnqmvw

[main berry]

Does that make some sense to you? If not I can explain it in more steps aha

[half orchid]

yeah, i know to do that but havent learnt it as a formula

i dont think you need to really

integration is just a skill chapter

many questions, good integrator

[main berry]

You don't in practise

but to get a sense as to how you do some things, it's good to have in your pocket

for instance what if g(y) traced the path of some strange contour?

[half orchid]

kk 😉

[main berry]

That's basically what contour integration is

[half orchid]

oh. ok

[main berry]

Well no haha.. that's precisely the intuition behind contour integration (and the definition you'll get)

there are some reasonable restrictions on g, but that's the long and short of it

[limpid bridge]

Lemme check

[half orchid]

cool.

so riddle me this

How are you doing? How is life

[main berry]

uncertain for me 😄

[half orchid]

this too will pass

[main berry]

It will, but it will require a fair bit from me to do haha

The university I am applying for a doctorate to has its processes waaaay later than other unis

So much so that #graduate-applications is closed for the year, so I can't ask peeps for help

or rather advice

[half orchid]

oh

try asking alumnis

how they did it

[main berry]

It's in a foreign country, although I could ask a former supervisee of my supervisor
good idea!

[half orchid]

ikr

youll be fine

[main berry]

Thanks

Which exams are you studying for btw?

[half orchid]

im preparing for JEE advanced right now

its the engineering entrance exam for indians

[main berry]

Ah okie :)

Well if you have any questions then always worth asking the #❓how-to-get-help channels

[half orchid]

sure

thank you man you cool as hell

[main berry]

:D

You're welcome - you'll ace those exams^

[limpid bridge]

look like overleaf is good, since i cant find a way to install tikz on arch linux

[worn nest]

just do it the cheap way - draw on excalidraw instead of using tikz

[muted moon]

overleaf is standard and very good and honestly decently priced

especially if you are a student

[muted moon]

takes much longer and you cannot get the same result

[limpid bridge]

lemme look at the review

[muted moon]

I cant send the picture of it on this chat but this paper was done by a PhD student I know, he did the diagram on the fourth page in tikz for reference of what you can do with it

https://arxiv.org/abs/2411.02375

icl i have no idea how he did it

[analog abyss]

Also if you’re a student, a lot of unis have the premium plan for everyone at the institution, so it’s worth checking if yours does

[limpid bridge]

wait, do you, actually use overleaf to generate diagram for every math equation ?

nvm, i found a way that can do something like math formula, and i will use it along overleaf

[limpid bridge]

i will ask this in case you online, do you happen to create the entire book on overleaf ? or just the diagram then somehow copy it to text editor like msword or libreoffice writer

[slim pasture]

is university important? high school? I do not know how it works. I do not know what the "objective" is. I just know I started exploring math shortly after dropping out of high school.

If I am honest, it started out as a remorseful way to prove that I could learn independently.

Then it was comparison with the system and with others. Then comparing myself with people higher than me.

But now I really do not care about that.
I have noticed that comparison lead me to shallow understanding of basic subjects...yet incredibly deep and beautiful. I think I am starting to mature after my exposure to basic analysis and abstract linear algebrs

[muted moon]

I mean yes you have to type it out to compile it

[muted moon]

Depends what you want to do - for some paths higher education is almost certainly necessary and others not so much

[slim pasture]

Oh

Well

It is science

Uhm, I want to do research

Probably mathematical or physics research

[muted moon]

You need a phd more than likely - masters at least

[slim pasture]

chemistry could be harder

without a degree.

[slim pasture]

mm

[muted moon]

I don’t know a single researcher at my university without a phd

You can do some research as a masters student but not full time like they do

How would you expect to contribute to the highest level of a field of research without studying it for years?

[slim pasture]

I will be studying it deeply

Just without a degree..

I can study it by myself

Maybe meet people

[muted moon]

Yea I’m sorry bud - research requires a certain level of academic rigour, published papers etc it’s impossible for you to do it without a degree or multiple degrees at that

Why don’t u just go to uni if u enjoy it that much

There really is no other way

[slim pasture]

can I create stuff by myself independently?

I can work on projects

I have enough tools to at least show some decent work

Eventually

that could open some doors

[muted moon]

Why don’t u go to university and study the subject

[slim pasture]

I am studying it by myself

[muted moon]

Can’t tell if you’re rage baiting

[slim pasture]

It can be done

It takes a lot of work. I am sure of that

[muted moon]

You still haven’t said why you wouldn’t go to university and formally learn the subject

Like everyone else

[slim pasture]

I have not gone to high school

Well

I dropped out

I could not

[muted moon]

Why did u drop out

[slim pasture]

I did not want to be there

I have felt frustrated my entire life

now that I am exploring self-purposed learning have I felt better

All I want is to understand

I do not know how things work

in life

[muted moon]

I’m being deadly serious with you because you seem somewhat naive, no amount of self studying in your spare time will equal someone who earns a degree

[slim pasture]

I have just been studying despite not having a formal objective

[muted moon]

Find a way to get into a university program and start from there

Your way is kind of delusional

If there is a will there is a way

Put your extreme motivation towards getting into a university program first

[slim pasture]

I don't think I will last long in a program

[muted moon]

Bro you might be cooked I can’t rlly help you

[slim pasture]

Why do you say this?

[muted moon]

When I said degree I meant phd and yes I say it because it is true

PhD plus a masters and an undergrad is probably around 10 years of formal training

And that is full time

They have the accreditation of a university, published papers and good exam scores

They are experts in their field

You can’t just walk into frontier research without qualifications

[slim pasture]

I have access to the same resources they have

Books

[muted moon]

It’s not the same my friend

[slim pasture]

And deep understanding

[slim pasture]

We will see about that

don't researchers study by themselves?

[muted moon]

Try and find a researcher in your field of interest without any degrees and working on their own

[slim pasture]

In fact, it is a desirable qualification to enter the math program

[slim pasture]

Okay

[muted moon]

I guarantee you every one is affiliated with a university or research organisation

This is such a stupid conversation haha

Good luck man

[bright hill]

Huh

I've never had this issue

Honestly, I just install texlive and never worry about installing specific Tex packages

It's like 7 gigs which is nothing

I don't like overleaf coz I'm just used to vscode

Overleaf feels janky lowk

[muted moon]

It is kinda janky icl

[cursive ember]

yo

[versed storm]

yo

ça va

[rancid salmon]

anyone know what diff between fd and fs

[fresh comet]

[limpid bridge]

i just realise kinda most tutorial is outdated, texlive has changed the way it's organize thing , im now able to install it

[agile fiber]

can you not just type sudo packagemanager install texlive or something

[limpid bridge]

do you write the whole book in tikz ( texlive ) or you just compile the diagram, convert it into image and paste it into the libreoffice or msword or any text editor you want

[unborn meteor]

https://xkcd.com/1654/

xkcd: Universal Install Script

The failures usually don't hurt anything, and if it installs several versions, it increases the chance that one of them is right. (Note: The 'yes' command and '2>/dev/null' are recommended additions.)

[limpid bridge]

most of tutorial said texlive-most :V, and i tried to find its package on AUR ( for the sake of the os not to be broke )

i just realise a hour ago it now bundle of packages and called texlive :V

[storm sage]

doesn't have dnf, fail

wait

my vision, fail

[unborn meteor]

wait but what is the difference between yum and dnf

i have both installed by default on one of my systems

[limpid bridge]

i think there's currently no

and they existed as alias now

correctly if im wrong

[sharp sage]

Yum is deprecated

[fallen apex]

I thought this would make more sense if it was double ampersand

but it just makes a concurrens subshell for each cmd doesn't it

[agile fiber]

dnf is marketed as a replacement for/successor to yum

[limpid bridge]

What did you use for texlive editing ? I can use neovim but i have to imagine the output layout

[flat harbor]

wdym output layout

i use nvim

tex files are compiled with vimtex

markdown files with whatever method u use to use pandoc

[limpid bridge]

same for me, that's why i have no output preview, all i can do is imagine the output

[foggy garden]

ugh

[limpid bridge]

thank it's very helpful, so basically he use vimtex + zathura

it really helpful, i can see now that it will continuously compile the .tex into pdf and then it got render in the pdf viewer

[shadow palm]

@foggy garden
Welcome to Mathcord, new nerd.

[foggy garden]

hello mike

[inland hornet]

this page is still so awesome, RIP 💔

[foggy garden]

thought it was a bot greeting me ngl

[shadow palm]

I am NOT a bot

[foggy garden]

born to be a bot forced to be human 💔

how’d you see I’m new thoughhhh you’re so nice

[shadow palm]

I just clicked on your profile

[shadow palm]

Thanks.

[foggy garden]

I see

[shadow palm]

How are you doing?

[foggy garden]

I’m having breakfast

[limpid bridge]

that's sad

i dont think live texing during lectures is a good idea

for me, in my best secario, i will write everything down by hand, and texing back at home

[limpid bridge]

my skill of texing bad

[wind breach]

Guys does anyone have any practice tests test for year 9-10

[compact thistle]

Is it true that if a 4-dimensional hypercube could be perfectly hypercubed then its 'faces' would be perfect cubed cubes; this is impossible?

[wind breach]

Pls I need it for VIC selective entry exam

[vivid halo]

yes this works in any dimension lol

[tidal hearth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iik25wqIuFo

[rich moat]

I came up with a mental model of some sort to help me get things done

I call it "the future girlfriend" model

basically, everything that I do in my day to day life is motivated by the fact that someday I'll have a gf that will appreciate me doing said things

the reason I brush my teeth and floss? It's so that my future girlfriend has a boyfriend (me) with healthy teeth

the reason that I study? so that I can get a job and buy my future girlfriend nice things

why I go to the gym? so that my future girlfriend has something nice to looks at

It's been working pretty well so far, feel free to use it :-)

[twin pasture]

my wife's son

[foggy garden]

this is not even bad sounds really effective

[faint steeple]

∫x dx = ?

[quartz cairn]

Will majoring in math be helpful for data science in future if I want to shift

[ocean harbor]

probably

[latent edge]

Learning math so if my future son asks me "what are you doing dad?" then I'll start yapping about Galois representations

[inner canopy]

ur child will genuinely hate you fr

[frozen coral]

‘Yapping’

How to turn your son into a little girl

[magic python]

You shouldnt force that

[frozen coral]

No I’m talking about how flavors of dialogue are grouping your kid from first principles to the depth of an economy that doesn’t belong to you or your family

[magic python]

[frozen coral]

Being that you’re basically just giving them a false ladder between the ability of being honest and true

And the ability to be honest and true doesn’t start with pemdas

It’s so weird to make math separate from the body

[old oak]

How does this relate to gender?

[vast wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/icosahedron-spin-gif-18675842

WOOPS wrong gif

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cool-lit-gif-13999500

is what i meant

[old oak]

I've heard of a love triangle, but love icosahedron is next level

[vast wraith]

nonplanar polycule…

[old oak]

An icosahedral graph is planar

All polyhedral graphs are

[frozen coral]

What? Sex isn’t a playground so when you make your kid think it is you just dropped them into the fryer

[rich moat]

and as we all know, never drop your kid into the fryer

[old oak]

words to live by

[frozen coral]

You guys should probably do word problems more

[magic python]

https://tenor.com/view/jax-digital-circus-jax-ragatha-ragatha-digital-circus-the-amazing-digital-circus-gif-14619847803046339091

[old oak]

way ahead of you

[compact thistle]

Can you make the inverse for me. “A never have a girlfriend” model? 😁

[vast wraith]

oop you’re right im just used to taking the stereographic projection from a vertex, which places one of them outside the plane, but i guess you could also project from the centre of a face to get a neat planar graph

[hot sentinel]

i heard you were "definitely car"

[magic python]

Wrong type of car

[pseudo lichen]

lol can’t wait for ep9

hope it pops up in cinemas nearby though

[magic python]

Fair, I've heard it may not appear in much

[pseudo lichen]

Well, it seems like the fans have come tgther and requesting it a lot so there’s a nonzero chance

if not, i’ll probably get spoiled

[magic python]

I heard they planned to make fake spoilers specifically because of this

[shadow summit]

Definition: We say that F is a fucked space if and only if F satisfies the following properties:

go ahead guys, fill out some properties and fuck this up

[quasi hare]

I need to write a mail to my local cinema chain to ask them if they would kindly consider buying the EP9 movie

lol mb I just realized how long ago you wrote that

[cursive ember]

Hi

All

[quartz cairn]

You guys think choosing math as major will be better in the future? , as it can be applied in data science and machine learning too?

[safe hearth]

I…don’t know..

depends on which country you’re living in, no?

Boop! Does anyone know any biotech researchers who’d be up for a quick interview?
-# It’ll only take 5–15 minutes of their time, and I’ve already prepared the questions! I’m a student in desperate need of a biotech researcher to interview. A call or email is fine! Though a call would be more dynamic and would let me ask for clarification if needed.

[south wind]

as an applied math major i can tell you that data science and ML is at its peak today

computational advances made these areas explode

algorithms have never been faster and will only continue to grow

[quartz cairn]

So basically, studying math is really the best option right now, as data science, machine learning, or those CS fields can use the skills required ?

[south wind]

depends what you want to do

if reasearch or induistry

also note that a math degree takes a lot of time, whether is in pure or applied math

also i dont know which program youd be taking but try to take courses that are proof-heavy

thats really what matters, not the degree

data science and classic ML is just statistics algorithms and probability

and i say algorithms only because we are in 21st century where you HAVE to code in this field

[fallen mango]

anything engineering is the best majors you could choose for a safe future if thats what your asking, but if your good you could succeed at anything really

[green swallow]

vello guys

[teal lion]

1. ist Bordellraum

[green swallow]

hence why I'm trying to secure a spot in a uni for engineering. my goal for uni entrance exams is 80%

aerospace engineering is.. almost 90%. which is very impossible

[idle peak]

What’s everyone’s favorite math symbol and why? I’m curious

For me it’s provable:/ entails.
A ⊢ B

I just envision it to be what implies would be if it drank tea and wore a top hat

[hot sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/golurk-pi-ender-math-denyer-gif-20545737

man i dont got image perm

[idle peak]

You know I never understood why we use pi as the constant instead of 2pi

I’m a big tau believer

[pseudo lichen]

looks like they're playing where im at so that's good

[vivid halo]

2\pi doesn't deserve separate notation as a constant but 2\pi i does

[pseudo lichen]

No emails from me

[quasi hare]

LUCKY 😭

[undone lichen]

who taking calc bc

ready to fail the exam

[full hornet]

$\iota$ or something

[fathom swallow]

lexi

[full hornet]

maybe $\xi$ actually

[fathom swallow]

lexi

[full hornet]

or that's already used for frequency so it could be confusing i guess

[vivid halo]

the notation I have seen for this which is L

or \mathbb{L}

[full hornet]

oh facts

[vivid halo]

because of the Lefschetz motive

:^)

[agile fiber]

Im(L)/2 is the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter

[latent edge]

tfw lefschetz motive

oh you said that already lmao

[agile fiber]

where exactly have you seen it taken as s

in the laplace transform s is usually a variable

[storm sage]

What lol

s can be any complex number, not just on the imaginary line

Unless you're thinking of the special case of a frequency response plot

[blazing shell]

yeo

got a couple questions, who thinks they’d be able to help me out

other chats are moving too fast so i decided ill ask in here

[storm sage]

if they're math questions, you can open your own channel to ask questions in, check out #❓how-to-get-help

what are the questions about?

[blazing shell]

not a specific math question but a question abt math

planning on going back to school in abt 2& a half months (community college ) and was wondering if that was enough time to take my knowledge from near zero (forgot almost everything i’ve learned & it’s been years since i last took a math class) to being confident going into a precalc class

[dusty wraith]

yes it is just practice

[blazing shell]

yes but i wanted to ask what progression should i follow , specific resources , and like how much times should i practice daily

and what better place to ask that than here

[subtle moat]

hi

[dusty wraith]

I think if u follow khan academy precalc and do some exercises you'll be good for what you seem to be asking

just practice a bit everyday it is like yj said highly dependant on what works for you, try things out and see what you like and what works for you

[blazing shell]

i don’t think im a good judge of that due to my lack of experience in this field , which is why im asking for help from ppl who are more knowledgeable on the topic

[blazing shell]

i’ll check this out

im worried ill be inefficient if left to my own devices

what i want is to be confident going into a precalc 1 or 2 class even if i can reach that level in my limited time

i think ill be able to study for around 1-2hr everyday

[urban dew]

man do i not enjoy doing proofs

i'll take C++'s shitty syntax any day over breaking my head open trying to prove stuff

idk if there's like something i'm not getting that would make it fulfilling. whatever it is i havent found it lmao

[storm sage]

I don't think anyone will be able to give you a time estimate because this is person to person, but as others say, if you practice on KhanAcademy, it's a good way to figure out your gaps and work on them. Most people who want to start from scratch know more math than they think they do.

[jagged perch]

Hi everyone. 👋 New to the server, just wanted to introduce myself a bit.

I'm a software engineer that got an MS in math in 2020, and applied to PhD programs in 2021, but only got one acceptance, which I declined for family-related reasons at the time. I've historically been skilled in pure algebra and interested in algebraic geometric and algebraic geometry. I'm thinking about returning to school, and intimidated by the prospect of networking with possible advisors and applying after a 6 year gap, but hoping this community will help.

Excited to meet like-minded people here.

[blazing shell]

thanks !

[blazing shell]

ty !!

[celest python]

wsp buddies

[storm sage]

Welcome! :)

[wind epoch]

@unreal scroll hi

[reef totem]

locker problem:

why do perfect sq always has odd number of factors, i need the proof>

[round abyss]

try thinking about factor pairs

[near fox]

Why are there two discussion channels?

[vivid halo]

one is not enough

[blazing ingot]

That's what I was thinking about lol 🤣

[blazing ingot]

Why that??
Is there like a number

[vivid halo]

honestly kind of a miracle that two is enough the vast majority of the time, given how many members the server has

[near fox]

Maybe people only talk when they got math questions

[vivid halo]

definitely not true lmao

[old oak]

Yes, the number is two (2) discussion channels

[old oak]

I have a hypothesis that the vast majority of users don't realize there is a second discussion channel.

[vivid halo]

yeah it's a nice automatic filter for "users who can read"

[lament peak]

shit why did it get sent here

[thorn wren]

I was curious

[old oak]

Reward or punishment, depending on where you got sent here from

[lament peak]

i missed the hoop and forwarded something here instead of discussion

[forest helm]

Hey everyone!

I'm Priyal, 18, currently learning French and exploring options for postgraduate studies in Computer Engineering, AI or Finance — specifically in France or Germany.

If you're from either country (or have studied there), I'd love to hear about your experience — especially around PG programmes or entrepreneurship opportunities for immigrant students.

Feel free to drop a comment or DM. 🇫🇷 🇩🇪

If you know someone who has studied for their postgrad or is currently studying in France or Germany for the same.. do let me know!

[near fox]

I don't know anyone like this. Can't help

[forest helm]

No worries

[near fox]

And I don't live in France or Germany

[twin pasture]

then why reply

[near fox]

Because I want to reply

I reply to everything I see

[true zinc]

This is an extremely annoying trait of yours which has annoyed several users in the past and severely derailed active conversations

[near fox]

Well sorry

Im here to chat on discord

[true zinc]

Then chat and learn when to not butt into conversations please. Just becauer you're on the internet doesn't mean you get to act like a bratty entitled 5 year old who asks their mum what every little thing is. Social norms are not relaxed because you're now behind a screen.

[near fox]

I should have rephrased myself better

Perhaps mods should take action next time I do it

[calm fulcrum]

they're just saying not to butt into convos gng 💔

[wild yarrow]

@robust mantle Sorry, I think there’s been a misunderstanding regarding our last few messages

[brazen mulch]

i can't help you either, but i do want to know what "PG" stands for 👀

[forest helm]

Postgraduate

[brazen mulch]

thx 😎

[forest helm]

No worries

[quartz cairn]

Anything English would be better for u tho

[fallen mango]

?

[quartz cairn]

So I should major in stats instead? I didn't think proof-based math was useful for CS fields. I thought proof-based math was important only for people who are doing a PhD or trying to solve a 100-year-old problem.

I'm thinking of taking math as a major in my uni because I can learn data science and CS online, and I think I'll probably do well in those fields if I study math

[undone lichen]

hey yall

should I take diff eq/calc 3 or linear algebra for senior year

I heard my classmates talking about proofs on the test

is it like wayy harder than calc 2

[lofty mango]

well linear algebra is more on abstract side you may find it tough and boring unless you are research oriented

[undone lichen]

is this not basic linear algebra

[lofty mango]

i was talking about uni level

[undone lichen]

I mean

[lofty mango]

last sem i had course of

applied linear algebra

[undone lichen]

woah woah

[undone lichen]

yeah I’m not doing allat

I thought basic linear algebra would be like 90% matrices

[lofty mango]

it was fun for me but not for everyone tho names says applied but it was basically linear algebra only

[lofty mango]

i found his teaching style nice maybe thats why

[lofty mango]

nahh

like most of you can do using matrix but not everything

trust me

[undone lichen]

I wanted to try linear algebra

I’m not taking it at college wtf

[lofty mango]

you can tbh if you understood its foundation and basics then you are going so enjoy it so much

[undone lichen]

I feel like it’s such a huge switch tho

[lofty mango]

yeaa it is tbh but you should give it a try

[undone lichen]

i didn’t even do calc 3 yet

bro I suck at algebra

is differential equations bad

[lofty mango]

like you can start from basics

[lofty mango]

personally i would choose la again if given chance but majority opinion would go for de cause everyone knows it better ofc so your call

[undone lichen]

don’t you expand matrices for like an hour

[pure hollow]

Linear algebra anyday.

[undone lichen]

I need the easier option

[lofty mango]

there are always tricks for everything which you will learn sometimes there are not but its process uk

[lofty mango]

then go for de

[undone lichen]

okay

thank you

[lofty mango]

my pleasure

[pure hollow]

De is definitely not easier lmao

[lofty mango]

for most of people it is cause they have done calculus in school already at good level

but la

nobodys do it at that level

tho la is tough at higher level if you talk about

[quiet orchid]

I hate

matrices

[brisk prism]

Hi

[hot sentinel]

@raven ember he hates you

[shy prism]

Det A = 5

What is 2 det A

[sullen pike]

10

[summer lotus]

i am tring to make a ai that can learn amost like a human anyone there to make the math?

xd who is in

[drifting remnant]

I'm not particularly interested, but if it's genuinely something that interests you a good place to look for ideas could be the book "Fluid Concepts and Creative Analogies" before you start getting into a more formal sources for studying cognition if that's what you're interested in.

[summer lotus]

kk

xd dm

[daring sun]

i know absolutely nothing about ai maths but that sounds cool

[summer lotus]

thanks ;D

[quartz cairn]

If software like Wolfram Alpha exists and it's not like AI and it's solving maths like complex calculus, then doesn't it mean that there is already a system that the programmers placed in there so that they can solve every problem? If there is a system, then shouldn't we be able to use that kind of system to solve calculus on our own and we do not need to think of various different methods?

[sharp mulch]

W|A/Mathematica implement a modified Risch algorithm which has several problems

It’s a gigabyte of code I think

And the Risch algorithm is not actually an algorithm because some parts are not decidable

[sharp sage]

Who knew inverting differentiation is such a mess

[sullen pike]

differentiating f at x only require knowing properties of f at x
integrating requires knowing properties about the entire interval from 0 to x

[rocky shuttle]

*around x

[floral mulch]

That's pretty much where my lecture is at rn lmao

[quartz cairn]

lol

[tender tulip]

Engineering mfers getting analytic forms more difficult to compute than the solvers used to find the intermediate functions

[ionic wraith]

Pfff I have the integral for e^(x^2)

[bright basalt]

@sullen pike

hi blobb kat

[old oak]

what on erf are you talking about

[old oak]

Mathematicians are just content in the knowledge that the integral exists

[sullen pike]

hello??

[brave flare]

ts so serious

[thorn wren]

nothing ever happens

[old oak]

This is the worst case of misnaming a channel since #advanced-lounge

[dark wadi]

this is serious news

[stoic tusk]

whatt

[dark wadi]

guys did you know rell seas roblox may be CANCELLED.?

[hushed rivet]

No fun. Only seriousness.

[stoic tusk]

are we serious

[lament peak]

why is this place not slowmoded

[restive salmon]

Supposedly

[subtle verge]

shall we talk abt iran here ?

[silent junco]

serioussy

[lament peak]

iran away from my responsibilities

[subtle verge]

the meeting in islamabad failed

[dark wadi]

i'm telling you, Pakistan air defence prevented WW3.

[subtle verge]

are you holding the red button ?

[lament peak]

no

[silent junco]

the working hypothesis is that this channel will be underused rather than overused (i dont really agree with this but like whatever we'll figure it out)

[thorn wren]

The working hypothesis is we will see how week 1 of this channel goes and go from there

[lament peak]

i mean despite that being true i don't feel like having it not slowmoded sends the right message

[hushed rivet]

Petition to rename this channel "serioussy" :
Yes ✅
Yes ❌

[vocal vessel]

Tf is this channel?

[lament peak]

it kind of makes it look like the mods dgaf

[subtle verge]

we pretend to be serious men here

[thorn wren]

but roughly speaking we want in the first week or so to avoid discouraging people from migrating here from discussy

[stoic tusk]

me when advanced lounge is more serious than this:

[lament peak]

cmon put 10s slowmode here so i don't shitpost here accidentally at least

[brave flare]

thats not a hypothesis thats a gameplan

[vocal vessel]

I seriously want a burrito.

[subtle verge]

we will pretend to wear suits and talk about world problems like iran,ukraine,politic,alien,conspiracy theories,..

[old oak]

So wait, is this an official designation of the former discussion-2 now having a different purpose to discussion-1?

[small dust]

i wonder if this channel will ever be not a meme

[silent junco]

yes

[warm plaza]

hello

[old oak]

Alright, fair enough, I thought it was just a joking name change

[lament peak]

oh wait they killed dis2 to make this shit?

[silent junco]

i think idk im not in charge of these things

[silent junco]

yeah its not that

[old oak]

https://tenor.com/view/bbc9-qo-s-unicorn-cant-wait-to-see-you-how-this-turns-out-gif-16393200

[warm plaza]

im crine

[subtle verge]

self denying

[brave flare]

renamed but yeah

[lament peak]

nooo... discussion-2... they were my homeboi......

[vocal vessel]

Fr

[warm plaza]

discussion 2 sucked

[brave flare]

ok

[warm plaza]

lame ass channel

[old oak]

I can only apologize

[subtle verge]

self denial.an object denied and rejected old bad things and keep the good ones

[lament peak]

you know that friend who you have good vibes with and exchange looks with each other every time u come across but never say anything?

[subtle verge]

its a step to develop

[warm plaza]

i think applied math should be more pure

[brave flare]

yeah actually

[warm plaza]

so more pure mathematicians do applied math

[lament peak]

what does this entail for me, an engineer

[warm plaza]

yeah. there's actually no inherent reason it cannot be rigorous

[silent junco]

depends

[warm plaza]

it's just that dumber people do it so they cannot do rigor

[silent junco]

weak ragebait

[vocal vessel]

Does this mean we can shout at people who try to discuss math in #discussion ?

[lament peak]

yeah if anything i feel like applied stuff requires even more ingenuity to make new progress

[brave flare]

neither of these channels are for math

[old oak]

Only if they try to discuss RH or Collatz

[vocal vessel]

That's a yes

[brave flare]

this channel even less than discussy i would say

[dark wadi]

serious only discussion

i apologise for that childish post.

[warm plaza]

yes also that

[vocal hill]

in software engineering, optimizing compilers need rigorous proofs that their optimizations are acceptable

[silent junco]

you can discuss math anywhere, the main thing this channel aims to accomplish is to contain discussions about politics, religion, etc.

[brave flare]

clearly we need #serious-math-discussion now
(that channel would serve as a lovely crank honeypot)

[lament peak]

i mean that's kind of in the realm of theoretical se is it not

[vocal vessel]

A fools errand

[lament peak]

im not in cs so

[warm plaza]

ah i wait i didn't realize you do applied math 😂 no offence

[vocal hill]

wait so what discussions are allowed here and what arent? or is it more of a case where if youre too vibey you go to #discussion , and if youre too serious you go here, but theres a gray zone where you can be in both?

[vocal vessel]

Best of luck with your idea tho 😝

[old oak]

Wasn't there a suggestion of a crank honeypot channel some time ago? I think it was going to be #original-research or #discoveries or some such

I also think the conclusion was that it would do more harm than good

[sharp mulch]

I suggested one called general mathematics or something

Like the arxiv category

[old oak]

These distinctions are always fuzzy and based on general feel (and inconsistent over time), that's why we have human mods in case things get out of hand.

Also inconsistency isn't a huge deal because this is a discord server rather than a court of law

[vocal hill]

yeah i totally get that - i just wanna know what the correct vibe is here

[old oak]

I think nobody knows yet, it will settle over time

[vocal hill]

ty!

[old oak]

It's a bold antisocial experiment

[silent junco]

hmm i mean on one hand i agree that we're kinda pushing the limits of what we can strictly enforce but at the same time the demand of the end user is literally just "tab into another channel" which really isnt that hard. either way we're not going to be like super annoying about this, almost always anything in this vein that isnt a flagrant violation of the established ruleset will be met with a gentle nudge (at first).

[stoic tusk]

Just had a good conversation with my old crew(discord server i was a part of), we used to make rpg games together back in the day (2014-15ish). good times

[silent junco]

yeah this is something we will figure out over time but basically right now we're asking you to just use your best judgment. i promise no one will be mad at you as long as you operate in good faith.

[verbal monolith]

hoooo a serious discussy, took long enough

[stoic tusk]

hello rayserious

[silent junco]

hi itsukerious

[rustic mountain]

what the blud is this

[stoic tusk]

why does that sound like some sick side-boss like minos prime

[round abyss]

(five bucks this gets shatpost in within the first day)

[stoic tusk]

true

[thorn wren]

The point of this channel is a lot of users don't want to open discussion to see people bleakposting about the latest country the US has decided to go to war with. This is understandable. So now we have #shitposting and #bleakposting for your use and pleasure

[stoic tusk]

yep, im migrating to this channel forever

[rustic mountain]

hehe atleast we dont have slowmode

[silent junco]

right now the bar for what is serious is pretty low and we may or may not gradually raise that as time passes. basically the distinction between serioussy and discussy is epsilon above the distinction between discussy and chill + politics, religion, etc and the mod team will vary epsilon until we achieve some stability.

[round abyss]

serioussy is one hell of an oxymoron

[thorn wren]

So this will almost surely change over time, but we'll see how this channel behaves. Also note we will be redirecting non serious/heavy conversation out of here

[stoic tusk]

i have epsilon hope for this

[true zinc]

was discussion 2 changed?

where did it go

[thorn wren]

Yes, see #changelog

[unreal flume]

serious-discussion

hell nah

[flat harbor]

benchmarking from loud general and quiet general isee

[old oak]

In my experience from another server, serious political discussion can get quite heated and if anything this channel might end up benefitting from even longer slowmode than #discussion

[true zinc]

[rustic mountain]

what is speak is always sirius

https://tenor.com/view/im-sirius-sirius-black-sirius-harry-potter-gary-oldman-gif-4452375

[flat harbor]

does this mean we can banish all the bleakposters into this channel and ican be freed from soapboxers for good

[verbal monolith]

no cooldown in serious discussion, hm

interesting

[unreal flume]

while i think there's cooldown in #discussion

[stoic tusk]

the irony is that the name serious-discussion invites unserious discussions

[thorn wren]

so this is an example of something that should be in #discussion rather than here

[old oak]

I use black humour to disguise my bleakposting as shitposting

[unreal flume]

how about we start a serious topic in here

[rustic mountain]

so we will people redirect toxic politics here ?

[true zinc]

Outsider are you still a miserable pile of feathers or a less miserable pile of feathers today

[thorn wren]

that's the idea

[old oak]

less miserable, I'm expecting great things from this channel

[unreal flume]

imagine changing the channel's name changes how the server is

[flat harbor]

at some point we must move on....

[stoic tusk]

there should be a whitelist for #serious-discussion or else ppl will grief

[round abyss]

i think posting here ought to be restricted to a self-assignable serioussy role? to raise the bar just that epsilon amount higher

[stoic tusk]

i did not just say grief 😭

[vocal vessel]

Give mathematicians a modicum of power and they make manifestos and convoluted rules

[verbal monolith]

hmm, i think generally this may not be a good idea. it would only cause them to do worse in normal discussion channels?

[long matrix]

disable all reacts

[rustic mountain]

but the way to distinguish would be vague

[glass peak]

I could be wrong but I don’t think it can, I think we need to have X public channels and this might need to be one of them

[stoic tusk]

true

[stoic tusk]

great idea

[verbal monolith]

i think the is still okay

[flat harbor]

i think this is great :) thank you to the moderator team for doing such a monumental change i am happy with the moderator team :)

[stoic tusk]

also great idea

[stoic tusk]

decent idea

[vocal vessel]

Kissass

[round abyss]

would it still count as public if viewing were allowed and messaging not by default?

[old oak]

I'm ambivalent over the reacts, but I would unironically be in favour of disabling gifs

[flat harbor]

well well theres things id say but not in serious-discussion surely...

[thorn wren]

If you want to make suggestions you're welcome to do via either meta or @polar panther
However, I will again note our goal for at least the first bit is to encourage people to move here, we really don't want disincentives for the bleak posters to move here

[stoic tusk]

best idea so far

[glass peak]

I am unsure

[stoic tusk]

goated idea so far

[verbal monolith]

could i ask what bleak posting is

[round abyss]

only one way to find out

[glass peak]

It’s not a horrible idea, I’m just not 100% sure it’s possible, worth looking at though

[true zinc]

It would not

[stoic tusk]

shit

[round abyss]

drat!

[stoic tusk]

i was doing my test i forgor

[vocal vessel]

This is just going to become Discussy and Discussy is going to become chill. It'd be interesting to see what chill becomes.

[true zinc]

(I know this from trying that on my own server)

[verbal monolith]

i disagree

[glass peak]

We have added study discussion at one point, so there may be enough channels now

[true zinc]

I've been told that a long time ago, chill was discussion and discussion was the serious discussion channel

[glass peak]

But uh idk, I shall ask one of the actually useful people

[thorn wren]

life is full of grey zones 🌾

[verbal monolith]

this statement is with the implication that discussy is currently serious, which is super far from the truth

[silent junco]

im a bit more optimistic about this but if it becomes unmanageable and we think this is inevitable then we'll decide from there. its still just an experiment

[flat harbor]

one of these days ill have the golden gotcha and be able to put lance in the slammer for casual racism

[rustic mountain]

chill is a place to shitpost 67 lvl memes

[thorn wren]

basically just "we are all going to die in wars, here is the US bombing some random bus full of children, here is another thing that is bad that happened"
doomposting?

[true zinc]

basically any TCC induced psychosis rant

[verbal monolith]

ahh so just “here’s something shit that happened”

with a negative outlook

[verbal monolith]

i see

[old oak]

The distinction is that discussy is for people to spam inane text at high speed, chill is for people to spam inane gifs at high speed

[round abyss]

i don't even touch chill really it looks like another planet

[flat harbor]

its day one and we already getting ppl downplaying the distinction. what now moderators

twin tag moderators assemble

[vocal vessel]

People are going to gather where talking is happening.

[steep mountain]

Does terry's posts talking about AI count lancey ?

[verbal monolith]

fake false

[thorn wren]

I am somewhat unfamiliar with these sorry.

[round abyss]

hi im downplaying the distinction between #discussion and #serious-discussion

[verbal monolith]

depending on how long this channel manages to survive, a redirect factoid into (or away from)this channel could serve useful

[flat harbor]

we can have weekly bingo night and list down all the things we can reasonably expect to happen in serious-discussion

[glass peak]

You can all use noggin and work out the difference

[round abyss]

you can also just link the other channel

[silent junco]

on another note i also disagree with the seemingly official stance that posting news of shitty things is necessarily akin to doom posting but i do generally agree with the decision of containing such posts away from lighthearted discussion. and it is also true that the manner in which users tend to post news on this server is generally pretty unproductive (i.e., just a screenshot of a headline + "i fucking hate the government" without any kind of meaningful analysis or call to ((peaceful, non tos breaking)) action).

[verbal monolith]

true

[flat harbor]

idk who came up with factoids but they need to be sent to Amazon Warehouses pronto

[glass peak]

Every time someone mentions factoids I break out into a cold sweat. I don’t think this will ever happen because factoids are frankly traumatising at this point

[flat harbor]

mfs too lazy to type out one sentence

same vibes as ppl too lazy to write an integral in latex

[zealous garden]

I could never be a casual racist, I only do ranked

[thorn wren]

Yes to be clear I mean the way it occurs on this server rather than in general

[vocal vessel]

If someone tries to tell me to move a queer discussion to here I'm pinging the mods 30 times.

[round abyss]

\usepackage[freemath] % for people too lazy to write backslashes

[flat harbor]

factoids are dehumanising !!!

[zealous garden]

Kek

[glass peak]

This is half of why I personally (not speaking for the mods generally etc) think the distinction is somewhat meaningless and infantile tbh, but there is a general vibe that can be picked up on

[flat harbor]

whether ull be redirected by the mods to post here or not rly depends on whether ure in the ingroup or not, its up to u

[round abyss]

i think the !help factoid is okay but it's also faster to just link #❓how-to-get-help. all other factoids are either unfunny or mostly useless

[stoic tusk]

added that to my meta post

[glass peak]

I cannot keep having discussions about factoids

[vocal vessel]

Oh not mods. If anyone tries to redirect me

[flat harbor]

cant beliebe ud diss the entire Meta Committee like that

[round abyss]

better redirect it to #factoid-discussion

[flat harbor]

even if theyre gay?

[vocal vessel]

Yes

[fringe summit]

The thing suggested 10 billion times finally happened

[flat harbor]

wow. a true hero

[vocal vessel]

Someone's gotta be

[round abyss]

i lost active so i don't really care

[flat harbor]

mandate of heaven arc

[warm plaza]

feel like that might get you banned

[teal edge]

waow

[silent junco]

so like, theres obviously no blanket policy on where queer discussion is appropriate. but the general guidelines apply to any discussion, and whether or not this discussion is "queer discussion" doesnt a priori change how this decision is weighted. so i would say, for instance, news about hate crimes and such would not be appropriate for discussy (and in some cases for serioussy either, up to the mods discretion).

[thorn wren]

Meanwhile the kind of queer discussion I have with Ryc honestly belongs in #chill in terms of quality but is more #discussion material than #serious-discussion

[vocal vessel]

Just feels like a reaction to one user

[tender tulip]

The ominous other servers

[silent junco]

🤐

[teal edge]

🤷

[verbal monolith]

#queer-discussion when

[flat harbor]

why ban one user when u can redesign the entire server just to convince them to post somewhere else

[thorn wren]

Not really, my general observation has been there is an entire community in discussion that is fairly dedicated to politics posting. Our hope is this change means that entire community has a place to go where they're not going to suddenly have silly gifs spammed in the middle of their conversation

[round abyss]

[teal edge]

naw I mean there's definitely some people above others but I think it's just a general issue but we've talked about this in #『meta-discussion』 100 years ago

[silent junco]

yeah miz this is #discussion material

[old oak]

That's all the channels, ideally

[round abyss]

#foundations

[flat harbor]

how diplomatic

[round abyss]

hey the tittle is still gone

someone ameliorate that

[glass peak]

People can and should be able to discuss serious matters, if you don’t want to, you no longer have to see them.

[small dust]

https://tenor.com/view/elerimbim-gif-10561973870428098080

[verbal monolith]

i didn’t know there was a word for that

[vocal vessel]

Prince: "This is what it sounds like when mods lie"

[silent junco]

yeah and also without getting cynical, passive aggressive responses for a cheap laugh

[round abyss]

to be fair this is the first time i've ever said it in the wild

it's such a useless term

[silent junco]

"tittle"?

[flat harbor]

cool whyre u telling me that tho

[round abyss]

yeah tittle [why the skull?]

[glass peak]

Because you’re being very passive aggressive about this decision

[flat harbor]

?

im being passive aggressive to lance personally

[old oak]

I feel personally attacked by this comment

[silent junco]

. i feel like this sort of thing should be discouraged in this channel too. not everyone enjoys that flavor of banter and i think this is a good opportunity to create a nice space for those users.

[round abyss]

[cynical, passive-aggressive response]

[limber thunder]

[irrelevant gif to interrupt the discussion or mock one of the sides]

[flat harbor]

this isnt a containment zone its a theme park

free admissions too

[old oak]

Ohh, imagine being able to charge

[limber thunder]

okay i'm stupid just read #changelog taking that gif back

man is a beast of habit or something

[flat harbor]

the main goal is to make a wholesome happy channel for the doomposters then once they take it for granted charge them for entrance

they will pay if the alternative is going back to discussion

[old oak]

How's that for doomerism

[limber thunder]

one Srs Business™ I'm doomering about right now is China banning sulphur acid exports 'cause I think that'll impact Chile heavily

gotta love the Hormuz crisis

[silent junco]

hmm what does this entail

[teal edge]

idk i wouldn't say it's for doomposters it's just a way to try redirect people who do actually want to talk about polotics in a non inflammatory way

[limber thunder]

chile relies on mining and agricuture both of which rely on it, China is our main source of it

[silent junco]

ah i see, thanks for elaborating

[vast wraith]

whaat when discussion 2 become serious discussion

[flat harbor]

i mean most serious online convos abt politics ends up in doomerism

[limber thunder]

that's the tl;dr I haven't looked much into it either

but it is srs

[limber thunder]

especially these days

[flat harbor]

not a lot of wholesome things to talk abt

[wise jetty]

yoooo

epic

[blazing ingot]

Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii everyone 👋🏻
Hope y'all are doing well today

[wise jetty]

oh hey, no slowmode

[teal edge]

keyword is serious though and I'm yet to see a serious conversation in discussy about politics where you don't get 12 dudes who joined 12 seconds ago talking about how we should firebomb the homeless

it's just a mean to keep acid and bases separate I guess

[limber thunder]

ig i always thought of discussion-2 more as "slower #discussion" or "chill #discussion" not "politics discussion"

[teal edge]

in some way

[flat harbor]

ive always thought discussion 2 as unused discussion

[limber thunder]

we got discussion at home
the discussion at home:

[round abyss]

trova

[blazing ingot]

I got ignored for the millions of time😭

[flat harbor]

this is the most activity this channel has seen in the last decade

[stoic tusk]

what about the salt bridge ppl

[stoic tusk]

fr

[teal edge]

they talk in chill

[silent junco]

yeah in general its always the economies with fewer industries that are hurt the most by things like this. and like, this plays right into the hands of the us because these countries are then kind of forced to pick sides (which is an obvious choice)

[flat harbor]

well im not always up for acidity in the first place

putting the politics hat on even with reasonable ppl irl we just end up kinda getting depressed and like yeah. worlds fucked up.

[silent junco]

hello

[teal edge]

would you talk about politics in mathcord though

[stoic tusk]

our first mehpost post the name change okay that was overexaturated

[teal edge]

I mean this isn't meant to be a mental facility

it's technically the opposite

discussy is the mental facility

[flat harbor]

well

some ppl i trust with these topics

[teal edge]

well I mean political topics aren't relegated to serious discussy

that's not the point of it

it's just a subset for people who want to discuss politics away from annoying ears

[vocal vessel]

That's literally the opposite of what the mods tried to sell.

[teal edge]

I don't think you're gonna get PaulBlart#2526 (Joined on April 14th 2026) talking here about bombing the middle east

[flat harbor]

thats a shame

[bright hill]

Welp

[teal edge]

because political talk is two sided

[bright hill]

This is gonna be a nightmare to moderate lmfao

[teal edge]

there's some people who (I Think) start political discourse innocuously and other people who don't

[jagged pendant]

That's so serious

[vocal vessel]

They just said political talk is regulated to here so regular people don't have to feel bummed out

[jagged pendant]

They should make a separate channel for politics

[verbal monolith]

@moderatоrs this guy disagrees with me politically

[silent junco]

i dont think getting depressed about it is a bad thing. its only when you let that turn into hopelessness or undisciplined frustration that it becomes unhealthy.

[vocal vessel]

Cmon. Tell us. Whose dumb idea was this? Name names.

[teal edge]

it's regulated here but it's not like hard redirected from discussy 1

[bright hill]

It's gonna be so funny directing randos here coz they're starting a political schbang

[teal edge]

this changes nothing for normal people who want to talk normally about politics

[stoic tusk]

anyways gn

[stoic tusk]

DarQus!

[bright hill]

And then they turn out to be a nazi and we just mute em lmfao

[bright hill]

No idea

[vocal vessel]

Boo no fun

[bright hill]

I'm not super tuned in on the meta process

[teal edge]

I don't think you're gonna get shot in discussy 1 for talking about the hormuz strait

[bright hill]

And by that I mean not at all

[silent junco]

jmods arent privy to the behind the scenes of this kind of decision

[flat harbor]

i think most of the ppl initiating critical discourse abt politics in this server (or any acad sphere) are a bit annoying cause the discourse goes nowhere
whether this channel will end up as a quarantine from them or for them i dont know

[stoic tusk]

assassins don't name their clients

[vocal vessel]

My moneys on Lance

[flat harbor]

mod is horrified of the prospect of having work to do. boo ho

[tender tulip]

Oh I lowk thought this was a joke renaming of discussy lmfao sorry

[limber thunder]

scooby doo meme but they lift the intellectual veil to reveal a chud whose opinions are shaped entirely by agartha shitposters and OSINTEL twitter accounts that are actually propaganda psyops

[silent junco]

yeah no worries, a lot of people are confused, we'll figure it out in the coming weeks

[teal edge]

idk i like to think they're not self aware and don't do it on purpose to be annoying but maybe I have too much faith in my heart

[flat harbor]

its a fine line a slippery slope an actual pipeline

[bright hill]

I mean, yea, if the workload is too high the server will become unmodertable

[silent junco]

yeah so are most things in life

[flat harbor]

how abt u put those 40 hrs a week onto the table first and then we can start talking

[teal edge]

clocking in for my srs discussy mod job

[flat harbor]

well i dont ever think abt intentions. intentions regardless thats what the result is

[vocal vessel]

Seriously...

[flat harbor]

uhuh

[bright hill]

I'm appalled at the prospect that not everyone here treats it like a shitposting pblog like I do

[sleek wing]

yeah guys lets stay seriouBUUUUUUUUURRRRRRPPPPPPPP

[bright hill]

Typical wew message

[karmic quiver]

mods decapitate this dude

[quick beacon]

My bad looking at it again, it was originally a meta proposal.

But it has to get hoisted from meta to cabinet.

[last rose]

wow new channel

[quick beacon]

Wonder why it wasn't announced as such

[vocal vessel]

Don't get your hopes up. No fun is allowed here.

[verbal monolith]

erm actually it was discussion 2, rebranded

[rustic mountain]

loss of entertainment

[velvet dagger]

We probably need to actually kinda shut down the jibber jabber going on in here

[last rose]

let me have my fun

[verbal monolith]

no, no fun in a serious channel.

[quick beacon]

Ooooh, it's still in the works ok

[last rose]

as the name suggests

[limber thunder]

serious matters can be fun, i enjoy writing insane excel formulas for trivial stuff like splitting home expenses between roomies

[quick beacon]

Having fun is encouraged, shit posting is discouraged

[limber thunder]

hell i enjoy Monitoring the Situation

[sleek wing]

is this what happens when you hit 30 💔

[limber thunder]

seems like it

[steep mountain]

#chill

[quick beacon]

Wait until you hit 40

[sleek wing]

a Shakespearean tragedy

[limber thunder]

becoming my dad speedrun any%

[flat harbor]

its what happens when u get drafted

[last rose]

[limber thunder]

and i havent even unlocked the dami jokes yet

[velvet dagger]

It will come in due time

[shrewd loom]

Thought ts was discussy 1, dont mind this messaage!

[flat harbor]

it took one day for my keyboard to move from taoyuan, taiwan to middleton, wisconsin
it will take four days for it to move from middleton, wisconsin to madison, wisconsin
america is not a real nation

[velvet dagger]

Anyway I'll say more strongly, let's migrate this stuff back to discussion 1

This change was made for a reason, when people just wanna vibe with friends and then all of a sudden other people are having some heavy debate about politics or religion, it just wears down on them

So we've quarantined that here but it does mean the partition has to be held

[rustic mountain]

make this a factoid
... one is inclined to suggest potentially the current course of conversation is not perhaps the intended matter of discourse for serious-discussion

[last rose]

no

[rustic mountain]

yes

[thorn wren]

Please move to #discussion twins

[worldly horizon]

This is certainly an interesting rename.

[thorn wren]

I don't want to sit here and set up a discussion-2 equivalent of emdash

[glass peak]

I can’t speak for the committee more generally, but being there and knowing the opinions of people, I can promise you no factoids will be added lol

[rustic mountain]

ik

[sleek wing]

you should make a factoid explaining this

[vocal vessel]

Mods:
"This is an experiment. It's going to be a gentle nudge. No severe enforcement..."
"I'm going to make a ban role for this channel"

[undone imp]

time shall tell

[rocky shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/serious-sam-siberian-mayhem-gif-24505248

[south kelp]

Imma eat u and since this has been said on serious discussion now u know how serious my desire is

[vocal vessel]

He's studying now. He won't see this

[thorn wren]

[pure hollow]

Serious

[south kelp]

if he has studying role rn I can just take a screenshot as an official document of sorts and share it in the duck server

[vernal silo]

@lone flower I believe it's naive to say religious belief is inherently irrational

[zealous garden]

Is this a new rare sully variant for me to collect?

[lone flower]

I dont see a reason it is rational

[vernal silo]

How so?

There exists many well-reasoned arguments for the existence of God, and many variants too

Personally I don't believe in a God but I think to argue that it isn't rational is a bit blindsided

[zealous garden]

What do you not think is rational

[silent junco]

"rationality" itself is constructed on certain dogmas. a lot of religious belief precedes rationality in scope.

[lone flower]

well it mainly relies on faith, nearly every argument lacks evidence and accepting them violates then principle of logical inquiry

[patent yacht]

Guys I'm herr

Here

Let's go discuss abt religion

[vernal silo]

Aquinas's first way is a pretty well-thought out argument for the existence of God

[patent yacht]

GOD IS DEAD

[zealous garden]

The existence of God doesn't require evidence. Rather, the claim is of such a dubious, arbitrary, metaphysical, and individually defined meaning, that it can't be meaningfully disproven

[brazen crest]

He is young and alive

[patent yacht]

Nietzche bro

[vocal vessel]

She*

[lone flower]

just cuz u put a lot of fancy words in a row doesnt mean it sounds smart

[lone flower]

idk who aquinas is

[zealous garden]

I'm partial to characterizations of God as "literally everything", in which case God's existence is tautological, or that God is whatever the source of consciousness is, in which case his existence is again tautologically true

[patent yacht]

Hehe idk how to read that to either

[zealous garden]

Those aren't fancy words, read a book

[vernal silo]

I think it depends how loosely you define God

Gödel had his own idea of God and constructed an argument with S5 formal logic of its existence assuming certain axioms

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gödel's_ontological_proof

Of course one can easily simply question the soundness of his axioms. Personally I believe assuming "perfect qualities" is complete just begs the question on God's existence

[patent yacht]

Dam bro is a true Englishmen

[lone flower]

oh yeahh now ur trying to sound smart. hmmm no those arent fancy ur just uneducated I read so many books

[zealous garden]

I mostly read math books and fanfiction

[patent yacht]

Oh wait you're talking abt God, mathemathically dam

[lone flower]

what kinda fanfiction?

[zealous garden]

The claim "God exists" is dubious because there are probably as many definitions of God as there are people who have lived

[patent yacht]

GOD was created to delete, the fear of the unknown

[zealous garden]

It is arbitrary for the same reason, anyone can redefine the notion to fill whatever role they have for "God" in their "religion"

So then how do you plan to meaningfully counter all of these notions

[patent yacht]

Dam your sure dam read the dictionary

[vernal silo]

I'm willing to argue that gödel's axioms are a bit circular but if you accept them and S5 formal logic then technically this notion is proven?

[rocky shuttle]

鹿乃 is my Goddess

[zealous garden]

Close, I used to read encyclopedia sets as a child

[thorn wren]

mate, #discussion

[vernal silo]

One of the most central figures in Christian theology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Aquinas

[rocky shuttle]

I am being serious™

[lone flower]

ohhhhhh this guy

[patent yacht]

Oh ayo that's quite good bro keep up the great work

[vernal silo]

When nietzsche said this he wasn't making an arguent for or against the existence of God

[patent yacht]

I know bro

[vernal silo]

He meant "God" as a metaphor for the Western values that was in large part due to the Christian foundations

[zealous garden]

In my explanation of "dubious and arbitrary", I explained that it is also individually defined. So the last proposition is that the claim is too metaphysical. Metaphysical is a hard word so I won't bother justifying this point. QED

[zealous garden]

Based

[patent yacht]

He saw the degradation of religion and the rise of modern atheism through science

it is only my interpretation of course

[lone flower]

Like I think he argued that because comparing things with differnt degrees of qualities, better, more noble... you can only judge osmething to be good by comparing it to an perfect standart. Because of that htere must be a pinnacle of perfection that is the source of all "good". thats god

u think thats a good argument?

[patent yacht]

For a majority of the human population without god reside no meaning,that would lead to meaningless nihilism

[lone flower]

mate

[lone flower]

my cat would instantly find the error

[zealous garden]

The good kind

[silent junco]

and what is this error

[vernal silo]

Well no, he argued under the assumption of aristotlean metaphysics for a certain notion of God being the grounding of all being, whose essence is his existence