serious-discussion

[rich moat]

how much did your laptop cost @shadow cosmos

[shadow cosmos]

900

[rich moat]

[shadow cosmos]

Lol

Its probably just 750 in your country

[shadow cosmos]

There is also the Neo at 600

The neo is 90% of the M4 for most users

[snow ice]

every macbook is cheaper for me by 100$ due to me being a student

[shadow cosmos]

There is also that

[snow ice]

so thats gud

[shadow cosmos]

Its really not that expensive

[snow ice]

its like the better chromebook

[shadow cosmos]

You get so much from it

If you have an iphone is even better

[snow ice]

yeah

[rich moat]

apple shills

[shadow cosmos]

There are bad things about it too

And by bad things i mean only one

Gaming aint great

You gotta configure the games to run well

[rich moat]

rats!

[stray fox]

it's more like 90% of the M1

I'm not sure anyone compares it to the newer gens, it's more like the M1 air

It's not a bad laptop, and for the price it's pretty decent actually.

But it's far from apple's other products

As you know, it has the A18 chip, which is the same one as the iphone 16

[snow ice]

which is still fine for most students

(chromebooks have 4 gb of ram and a 20$ android chip)

[shadow cosmos]

For most users I dont think it really matters the M1 vs M4 thing

Most just use a web browser and discord

[stray fox]

It surely runs better than a 200-300 dollar chromebook, but 8 gbs of ram is a bit rough for some things.

[shadow cosmos]

Yeah

[stray fox]

It's fine for students that run basic stuff, but running simulations might be a bit harder.

[shadow cosmos]

😭 😭

[stray fox]

I personally struggle running my fourier code on my 16 gbs, so theres that.

[snow ice]

enoguh for students ig

[stray fox]

runs obsidian fine, better than chromebook's lazy attempt at linux support.

[shadow cosmos]

Fr

[shadow cosmos]

Can I ask why 😭?

[hearty elbow]

Y'all know my goat Gina Wilson

[shadow cosmos]

Such a great move by apple

Is it 512gb in the base model or 256?

[pure hollow]

Vega in mathcord!?

[snow ice]

[latent edge]

your code must be running in O(n!) space complexity or something

[snow ice]

O(log(n)n) works too

[shadow cosmos]

Fr

[latent edge]

sup vega

[stray fox]

When you have millions of samples even with FFT it gets slow

[latent edge]

[shadow cosmos]

Sup Deltoids

[shadow cosmos]

Hii

[stray fox]

even though the time complexity of checking the values of the list / applying FFT are small O(Nlog(N) + N) ~O(Nlog(N)) actually doing the fourier transform still takes a bit of computing, time complexity just says how much each sample adds to scaling that computation

god help me poor vscode trying to run it when I don't downscale it by 3000 times

[pure hollow]

How are you doing? I'm doing well

[stray fox]

That's my computer

Should trying running my simulations on the headless VM mandelbrot uses /j

[shadow cosmos]

Vscode doesnt run anything tho?

[latent edge]

[shadow cosmos]

Im doing well too, a bit stees

[stray fox]

Well, it runs it through the compilers because it's just a fancy text editor

you get what I'm saying though 😭

[shadow cosmos]

Sorry im distracted looking at your duck

[stray fox]

Hows life been @latent edge, been forever since I've talked here

[shadow cosmos]

Are you Almond?

[stray fox]

Yeah

[shadow cosmos]

The pig?

[stray fox]

Not that one

Used to have an almond profile picture

the one with the pig is different

I know them though

[shadow cosmos]

Oh

I thought they came out as trans

[latent edge]

Idk almond

[shadow cosmos]

I wish i could study math

I would be so happy

[pure hollow]

Joyous

[shadow cosmos]

Why can’t i do it

Tho?

[pure hollow]

It's upto you to study it

Lock in

[shadow cosmos]

I sadly dont have enough time nowadays

Since im not a uni student anyways

[pure hollow]

Unfortunate

[shadow cosmos]

Its the thing I love the most doing

And I don’t get to do it

[pure hollow]

Yeah I feel you it'll get better one day

[shadow cosmos]

Maybe not.

Maybe i wont ever get into uni

Heh

Why was I born in this country?

[pure hollow]

You never know

[shadow cosmos]

I hate everything

[pure hollow]

I don't know what else to say but you gotta make the best of what you have

[desert sigil]

Self studying math is a journey

Try doing even a little bit every day

No need for full commitment right away

[desert sigil]

null

[patent phoenix]

Is anyone employed with a math degree asking for a friend

[thorn wren]

no, little known fact, but nobody with a math degree has ever gotten a job in history

[chilly totem]

Yet bro took this degree to follow his dream, respect

[patent phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/lunxriaaaa-one-thousand-yard-stare-gif-13045294751375468630

[patent phoenix]

Would I be the first in history

Pretty please tell me yes

[charred sparrow]

A solid point moves on a circle of radius 3m. Calculate the distance traveled and the displacement of the solid point in the case of a quarter, half and full rotation. how to answer to this type of questions

its physics

[thorn wren]

See #❓how-to-get-help - this is still a math question, at least it was when I went to school.

[silent junco]

well yeah why would you study history with a math degree

[patent phoenix]

It’s just the circumference

Circumference of a circle = 2pi * radius
In ur case it’s
6pi

So for a quarter it’d be 6pi/4
for a half it’d be 6pi/2
for a full it’d be 6pi

[thorn wren]

this is only half correct

[patent phoenix]

What did I get wrong

[thorn wren]

you found distance but not displacement

[patent phoenix]

I mean the question wasn’t clear I would assume that half rotation or full rotation means from the origin of the point not t)3 origin of the sphere

I.e. not at radian 2pi

[thorn wren]

usually you define displacement to be the vector linking where they started to where they ended, so the only unclear part is is the qurter turn is clockwise or anticlockwise

Oh and I guess where they start

average physics question

[patent phoenix]

The question asked for the displacement right I assume from the starting position so it’d still just be the above being the displacement if we consider the starting position to be zero

[patent phoenix]

It’s not even physics this is hs geometry

[thorn wren]

No so if say the particle started at 0,0, the circle is centred at (3,0) and went a quarter clockwise, the displacement would then be 3i+3j

[patent phoenix]

Why

Idk I think we are overcomplicating it

[thorn wren]

Because displacement is the vector linking where the particle started to where it ended, it does not remember how the particle got there

[patent phoenix]

3i+3j wouldn’t even be in the circle ?

[thorn wren]

(3,3) is in the scenario I gave, its distance from (3,0) is 3

[patent phoenix]

But we don’t know the origin point of the particle

[thorn wren]

See my assumption

This is all data you really should be given in the question statement or you should pick a coordinate system

[patent phoenix]

I see it now

Yea the displacement would be annoying but the distance would still be the aforementioned

There’s no way no other info was given

[patent phoenix]

By the way can you answer my question please with a cherry

[charred sparrow]

Thanks i kinda knew it but i didnt know if i had to use math

the answers are actually 4,71m, 9.42m, 18.84 m, 4.42m, 6m, 0

[rich moat]

I passed my analysis final

I got a 50.10 ☠️ but hey I'll take it

[twin pasture]

good to hear!

[rich moat]

what is this suspicious link

meme coins?

[chilly totem]

@thorn wren is this link suspicious

[slate turret]

im surprised scam coins still work well enough that there's still people promoting them at all

[earnest lily]

@charred sparrow Welcome to mathcord.

[slate turret]

i guess it's one of those things you get merc'd by not being educated enough about it

[sonic sentinel]

bebapopabibipopabi. discuss.

[tribal plover]

Math teachers have an engineering degree

[rich moat]

who

[haughty lion]

Well yeah you need a degree in history for that

[unkempt marlin]

He was a modern day polymath

What all did Witten do?

What are gromov-witten invariants? Are they some sort of property of a topological space?

So if the curve has genus I’m assuming that’s as a complex 1 manifold right?

Because as a real manifold I don’t understand how that would make sense :,)

Okay yeah this is WAY above my pay grade rn.

I’m not nearly comfortable enough with algebraic and differential topology as I should be to make heads or tails of this lol

[sand otter]

@cunning onyx If you don't mind me asking what is your learning disability? curious because i never met someone with one before.

[fair herald]

guilt is eating me up

[cunning onyx]

mb its not a learning disability. its just a neurological disorder that makes it hard to do most things

[vivid halo]

large portions of string theory, quantum field theory, aspects of quantum gravity, aspects of geometric Langlands

entire research programs have spawned out of papers Witten has written, several times

[unkempt marlin]

DAMN

[unkempt marlin]

This man

Is

Like

Omg

He is such a chad

[vivid halo]

Witten and Kontsevich are both spooky at the interface between mathematics and physics

[unkempt marlin]

That’s where all the cool stuff happens :(((

[vivid halo]

yeah definitely

it's really rare that people are able to master both mathematics and physics and to be able to translate between both languages and patterns of thinking fluidly

like it basically never happens

[unkempt marlin]

I need to become way more mathy and physicist before I can engage in that though :(

[unkempt marlin]

Yeaaaaaaah

[vivid halo]

Okounkov is also spooky at this

literally who

[unkempt marlin]

Commutative Algebra: So you wanna do linear algebra on something that isn’t a field :D
Me: crying

[silent junco]

you mean linear algebra but its actually interesting

[unkempt marlin]

Okay module theory seems like it’s really interesting

But like

Then people went like “You know what if we did this…. But with categories”

And then I began to weep

[silent junco]

its hard yeah. things in math are rarely as nice as they are in finite dim linear algebra

[vivid halo]

these things have good motivations though it's not just abstract nonsense

[unkempt marlin]

Oh I don’t think it’s abstract nonsense but like I guess I don’t know enough math to know why you would care about them inside of math?

[vivid halo]

what kind of generalizations of modules do you have in mind here

[unkempt marlin]

Like TQFT stuff feels more like physics inspired math rather than like “I wanted to know how these set of points impact to structure of this curve when I shuffle them around”

[vivid halo]

there are a bunch of good mathematical reasons to care about TQFTs

[unkempt marlin]

A lot of the stuff when I think about modules, rings, stuff like that has been in the context of quantum invariants

3 and 4 manifolds and such

[vivid halo]

right a lot of representation theory is described nicely in terms of TQFTs and at high enough dimension you are forced to think about categorification of more classical things

much of geometric Langlands for Riemann surfaces, and consequently most of the representation theory around affine Lie algebras/vertex operator algebras related to conformal field theory, requires these kinds of considerations

[unkempt marlin]

I’d like to learn more about a lot of these things because they all seem very rich

[vivid halo]

yeah they are incredibly rich

[unkempt marlin]

But like I’m still building up to having a true appreciation this stuff

Which makes me sad :(

[vivid halo]

there are good homotopy theoretic reasons why these things are natural to consider

like the cobordism hypothesis tells you exactly why these cobordism categories that give rise to TQFTs are universal

Bord_n^fr is the (\infty,n)-category freely generated by a single object

this is why fully extended TQFTs are determined by their value on a point, you just need to say where the functor sends the point and everything is freely generated from this

the framed bordism groups happen to be isomorphic to the stable homotopy groups of spheres, so this is a really universal object to consider

[unkempt marlin]

How much do we know about the homotopy groups of spheres?

[vivid halo]

we know a lot stably and much less unstably

it depends on what kinds of questions you ask about them

like we know the first ~200 stable homotopy groups of spheres completely

and we know basically everything about them in all degrees up to chromatic height 2

[unkempt marlin]

Chromatic height?

[vivid halo]

in stable homotopy theory/higher algebra there are more prime fields to localize against

like if you want to understand the stable homotopy groups of spheres then classically you can decompose these as finitely generated Abelian groups by localizing to the prime fields Q and F_p for every prime p

rationally you only need to understand the rank and Serre tells you what the ranks of homotopy groups of spheres are

p-locally you need to understand the finite p-groups which appear for every prime p, and this is still very hard to do all at once

there is a notion of (skew)-field and characteristic when talking about A_\infty-rings or ring spectra, and there are more characteristics and more prime (skew)-fields than those which exist classically

the prime fields that are new are the Morava K-theory spectra K(n;p) for every prime p and every height n>0

what this picture of chromatic homotopy theory captures is various periodicities that exist in things like the stable homotopy groups of spheres

as the height increases you capture periodic phenomenon of increasing length and complexity

at height 1 this is what is seen by real/complex K-theory and the image of the J-homomorphism, which captures 8-periodic patterns in the 2-local stable homotopy groups of spheres for example

this is a good picture of the sort of periodic patterns you see in the Adams spectral sequence for the stable homotopy groups of spheres that are captured by this chromatic story

the reason for these periodicities is like, reducing mod p comes from the multiplication by p self-map

when you reduce mod p you have a new self-map v_1 which shifts degrees by 2(p-1)

when you reduce mod v_1 you have a new self-map v_2 which shifts degrees by 2(p^2-1)

etc

[fallen mango]

huh

what level of math is this?

[vivid halo]

research level algebraic topology

plenty of PhD students in topology write their thesis about aspects of this sort of thing

[fallen mango]

[upbeat turret]

How many years would it take to cove/understand this, divided by two?

[vivid halo]

depends on your background and skill and time investment

[upbeat turret]

how long did this take you?

[vivid halo]

idk like a year or two around middle/end of undergrad but I've learned it better as I've returned to various aspects of the topic over the years

if you know basic algebraic topology it's pretty standard to learn these more advanced topics within like a year

[sand otter]

Mind sharing the name of the disorder?

[hexed mist]

That's soo freaking cool, you've inspired me to study harder now!

[patent sable]

3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510582097494459230781640628620899862803

Spitting bars

[cunning onyx]

adhd-hi

[rich moat]

yoooo same as me

inattentive type

twins

[sharp sage]

Hi.

[full hornet]

this is about as informative to me as the average hatcher diagram

[rich moat]

guys here's a fun insult I just heard

'you're as precise as a pair of dice"

[shadow cosmos]

4th day without water

[chilly totem]

Holy fuck

[shadow cosmos]

It keeps going up

[chilly totem]

The price?

I thought you go to germany already

[shadow cosmos]

No

Lol

[shadow cosmos]

The days

[rich moat]

why are you not drinking water

or do you mean house water

[chilly totem]

ah i see

[chilly totem]

bruh

[shadow cosmos]

I don’t have water

[rich moat]

ah

better fill up those buckets

[chilly totem]

cuba is having severe water shortage btw

who gonna give

USA blocked the transportation around Cuba

https://tenor.com/view/we-breaking-bad-walter-white-gif-14928204287258878513

[shadow cosmos]

Can u stop lying

😭

[chilly totem]

it is

[shadow cosmos]

There is no such thing

[chilly totem]

no lies

[rich moat]

kek

[shadow cosmos]

You can send water

You can send food too

[shadow cosmos]

You can send whatever you want but oil

[raw moat]

oil shipments are being blocked too

[chilly totem]

i dont drink oil so glad

[raw moat]

lol how r we supposed to cook food

[chilly totem]

heat

[shadow cosmos]

Only applies for the government

[raw moat]

[shadow cosmos]

And first need items are not sanctioned

[chilly totem]

thank you grinch

[chilly totem]

then why dont you have water

[shadow cosmos]

No electricity to get them to my house

[chilly totem]

Bruh

even the capital is fried

Then how do you survive

Without water in 7 days you die

[rich moat]

how it feels to be "freed"

[shadow cosmos]

Limonade

[chilly totem]

Freed by usa

Holy shit that make you more thirsty😭

[shadow cosmos]

And non alcoholic beer

[chilly totem]

I like beers

[shadow cosmos]

Lol

[shadow cosmos]

Not yet

[chilly totem]

I can have 3 or 4 cans at a time

[rich moat]

look at the bright side, you'll have a cool story to tell your kids in the future

[shadow cosmos]

Keep it uo

Up

[shadow cosmos]

I guess

[chilly totem]

"Hey grandson, I drank lemonade to survive thirstiness" ahh story

[shadow cosmos]

I survived communism for 20 years

[shadow cosmos]

I also drank tomato

[chilly totem]

Wtf

[shadow cosmos]

Im currently feeding off spaghetti

[chilly totem]

Oneday if i dont see your messages dont tell me you already died😭💀

[shadow cosmos]

reheated spaghetti I buy from a local store

Like 4 days ago

Only source of food

And instant ramen prepared in tomato

Yes, tomato instead of water

[rich moat]

extra flavor

[chilly totem]

Holy shit

[shadow cosmos]

Yesterday I could eat chicken at a local cheap-ish restaurant

[chilly totem]

Nice

[shadow cosmos]

At least some protein

[chilly totem]

Bro just find a river to get water or sum

[shadow cosmos]

It was 8000 pesos btw

[chilly totem]

Are

[shadow cosmos]

More than 1 time the monthly salary

[chilly totem]

Thats expensive then

[shadow cosmos]

There is a river nearby actually but is contaminated asf and at least 1 person died there recently

The dude just fell and drowned

[chilly totem]

Holy shit

[shadow cosmos]

Its on the cheap side

[rich moat]

will you be okay vega?

[shadow cosmos]

No

[chilly totem]

Bruh

[shadow cosmos]

Thats only like 20% of my problems

Im also surviving alone without my family

Since they are in Europe

[chilly totem]

Go to europe blud

[shadow cosmos]

How

[chilly totem]

Fly

[rich moat]

I don't think it's that easy

[shadow cosmos]

Im also struggling to deliver my work, Im a programmer who has to code without electricity and without internet

I also have to learn German so that I can get into college since its impossible here

[rich moat]

[shadow cosmos]

Hard time to be a teenager

[rich moat]

more like a hard time to be period

[chilly totem]

How do bro code without electricity

[shadow cosmos]

That’s the worse part

However I can’t comment on that

[chilly totem]

Pseudo code

[shadow cosmos]

Thats how bad it is

Can someone just kill me already

[chilly totem]

https://tenor.com/view/mita-gif-13430565109868160812

[shadow cosmos]

Please do not vote for socialist governments

You will end up like me

[rich moat]

just don't vote

[shadow cosmos]

Someone else could vote for them

[rich moat]

politicians are puppets, it's all meaningless

[shadow cosmos]

They seem attractive since they give money to the lazy who dont work and try to gain the LGBT community by progressive politics

So its kinda hard to resist

Did you know that Cuba is extremely trans friendly?

The government gifts you hormones

And the branch of the government that has that role is extremely rich

They organize events where they give you a lot of expensive gifts just to be in

And even organizes trips to expensive places

Being queer is extremely profitable here

I honestly wonder why nobody exploits it more

[chilly totem]

thats crazy

wasting money

[shadow cosmos]

Recently a big name in the organization was persecuted for corruption and stealing millions

[chilly totem]

instead of buying food they buy hormones instead

[shadow cosmos]

They need you to think they care about you, not actually care about you

[shadow cosmos]

To be fair they also gift food

[chilly totem]

thats good

[shadow cosmos]

Every cuban has the right to a monthly suply of food

It is however not enough

Not nearly enough

And is every month less and less

Oil, some rice, some bread in horrible conditions, cigarettes

Thats it

[chilly totem]

we dont need cigarettes 💀

[shadow cosmos]

You have them.

[shadow cosmos]

You also get alcohol probably, idk about that since my family does not get it

[chilly totem]

crazy

[shadow cosmos]

Maybe not since alcohol is so fucking cheap

Its the cheapest thing you can buy

[chilly totem]

real

but why dont use money buy food instead of alcohol

[shadow cosmos]

Food is the most expensive thing

With the salary of a teacher you can buy like 30 eggs and a bottle of oil

Thats pretty much it

And pay for your electricity, gas, etc…

Notice how I didn’t include rent

Buying a house in Cuba is relatively achievable

Everyone I know has one

[sour nexus]

LMAOO

[paper vigil]

Cuba propaganda

Send in the CIA

send in John

[shadow cosmos]

What?

[chilly totem]

Poor life

[shadow cosmos]

Fuck

My mom’s flight got delayed

I will stay in Cuba until at least may

[green stream]

one of my teachers was stuck in the maldives

sadly she ca,e back

came*

i hate that teacher

[shadow cosmos]

I always come back

[wise jetty]

hello

[stoic tusk]

Fast discussion

[stoic tusk]

[wise jetty]

indeed

[tepid wraith]

is it really impossible to land on saturn

[wise jetty]

again, depends what you mean by land

[stoic tusk]

It's a gas planet

[wise jetty]

saturn is one of the jovian planets

[tepid wraith]

like you land on moon and mars

[wise jetty]

the surface is mainly composed of... well, gas

[stoic tusk]

You can't just expect to land on a solid surface

[wise jetty]

probably not

however, closer to the core, stuff does start to turn into liquid and gas

however, under very, very, very high pressures

it's not really very fun

[stoic tusk]

So high that there are literally diamonds worth quadrillions of dollars there

[tepid wraith]

but there are liquids

[wise jetty]

e.g. neptune, i believe, has very stormy oceans of... something

[wise jetty]

not quite

[outer minnow]

you can make your rocket out of gas though

[wise jetty]

hydrogen and helium compositions for jupiter specifically

[outer minnow]

and then itll land

[stoic tusk]

Said from an earlier study*

[wise jetty]

again: high pressures

[wise jetty]

i don't think jupiter undergoes fusion

because you know

then it'd be glowing

[stoic tusk]

Jupiter

[wise jetty]

and radiating energy

and emission spectra

[stoic tusk]

Yeah

The star that ran outta gas before even vroom

[tepid wraith]

but it is an ocean right? meaning you can somehow float

[wise jetty]

again

high pressure

you'd just get crushed

[stoic tusk]

Physics

[tepid wraith]

can you explain?

[wise jetty]

look its not liquid like normal

you're basically compacting a gas

so much

that it can't spread out

it's not a liquid that actively chooses to be a liquid

[outer minnow]

so like sand

[wise jetty]

you're crushing it until it becomes liquid

[outer minnow]

i think

[wise jetty]

lol what

wdym

[tepid wraith]

but what's crushing it? there's no atmosphere, there's only gravity

[stoic tusk]

Something like LPG

[outer minnow]

i was referring to my previous messages

[wise jetty]

and... gravity pulls things inwards?

[stoic tusk]

But LG

[wise jetty]

LPG is literally

the exact example

that works

thank you

[outer minnow]

lets just say the rocket is indestructible

[tepid wraith]

yes, but is that enough to build high pressure to make a gas liquid?

[wise jetty]

yes

[outer minnow]

then how do you land on say, neptune

[stoic tusk]

Let's just ignore all physics

[wise jetty]

i literally just told you

that it is indeed liquid

because of gravity

[tepid wraith]

so gravity is strong there?

[stoic tusk]

Do you remember the LPG cylinders at your house

[wise jetty]

yes

dyk what lpg is kd

[tepid wraith]

i use electric stove 😅

[stoic tusk]

Oml

[wise jetty]

do you know what LPG is

[stoic tusk]

This guy

[tepid wraith]

i serached it

[tepid wraith]

nah i don't have anything like this

i use electric stove

[stoic tusk]

[wise jetty]

bruh

[stoic tusk]

Basically in this thingy there is liquid

[outer minnow]

so lets say you have a gas stove

[tepid wraith]

ok

[outer minnow]

and lets say you know what lpg is

then why cant we land on neptune

[tepid wraith]

i have searched it on internet, i do know the basic idea

[outer minnow]

first lets say you want to land on neptune in kerbal

[stoic tusk]

OH YEAH

[outer minnow]

youll have to locate neptune

[stoic tusk]

DO YOU REMEMBER STUFF LIKE DEODRANT

[outer minnow]

lets say he remembers stuff like deoderant

[tepid wraith]

as ren said, it's because gravity is pulling all the gases inward, building a high pressure to convert into liquid

[stoic tusk]

When you shake the bottle it feels like cold liquid is inside but when sprayed it is a gas typa mixture

[outer minnow]

yes and why cant we put a solid thing on neptune

first because the solid would get crushed

[tepid wraith]

you mean repellents?

[stoic tusk]

Gas planet, no solid surface

[wise jetty]

is bro fr

[stoic tusk]

Yeah that works too

[outer minnow]

lets say bro is fr

[wise jetty]

KD how tf do you have the undergrad math tag

no offense

[stoic tusk]

[outer minnow]

youll have to assume to let it work

[tepid wraith]

because i can do undergrad math, i have completed my ug

[wise jetty]

assume kd is omnipotent, proof complete, qed

[stoic tusk]

Proof by contradiction

[wise jetty]

… and yet you didnt know what differential geometry was

or that differential eqs are used

[neat lintel]

More like by intimidation

[outer minnow]

bro is graduation now

[tepid wraith]

you mean implode like that subermissible?

[stoic tusk]

[wise jetty]

also “undergraduation”

[neat lintel]

Same as LC circuit

[tepid wraith]

i do know, i'm just asking how it's applied here

[stoic tusk]

I feel ac circuit would be better herr

[wise jetty]

see, im pretty sure if you have done ur undergrad you’d know that

[outer minnow]

okay so K.D imagine yourself as a rocket

[tepid wraith]

i know i know

[outer minnow]

you land onto neptune whats next

[wise jetty]

you dei

die

boom

[outer minnow]

yes

[wise jetty]

no proof needed reader is dead

NEXT QUESTION

[tepid wraith]

hmm, deploy your rover but on neptune it's not possible

[neat lintel]

No because it's possible for ac circuit to be real but Lc circuit is impossible

[tepid wraith]

are we still talking about rockets?

[outer minnow]

why would you ever need a rover on neptune

dont you need like

a boat

[tepid wraith]

i did asked if you can float something, but ren said we can't

[outer minnow]

lets say you can

[neat lintel]

Would you find king Neptune on Neptune

[tepid wraith]

ok

[outer minnow]

but youll have to remember that

uh

things like Neptune in kerbal

[wise jetty]

where did itsuki go

smh

they were cool

[tepid wraith]

ahem let me say this, i did my major in engineering, so not exactly undergraduate math

[outer minnow]

what would happend if you use an AC circuit on neptune

[stoic tusk]

I'm eating rn

[wise jetty]

a. i was talking about word choice
b. if you did engineering you'd actually know more about diff geo/diff eqs applications

[tepid wraith]

hmm let me think

[wise jetty]

ahk

[neat lintel]

If you have stable current with high and unlimited voltage Thoratically you can make Neptune boil

[outer minnow]

okay im out

[tepid wraith]

depends on what kind of engineering, but all i did is learn electronics, where not much differential geometry is needed

[wise jetty]

understandable

i suck at electronics

apologies for assuming, also i realise i might've come off as skeptical/passive aggressive; please don't take it personally

[neat lintel]

[wise jetty]

i haven't had a great day, but that's no excuse for my behavior

[tepid wraith]

in electronics engineering you don't really need differential geometry that much

[outer minnow]

i forgive you

[wise jetty]

and i would like to apologise; even if you hadn't done engineering, i still feel i could have been somewhat kinder

[wise jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/loki-next-trick-i-will-make-you-gif-22120027

/j, obviously

[tepid wraith]

to answer your question, we have to think whether an ac circuit can even work in such environment

i think AC circuit won't work on neptune

won't it be crushed by the g-forces?

even if we assume it won't, there could be electromagnetic fields creating disturbance in the ac circuit

[neat lintel]

Isolated circuit case ?

[tepid wraith]

how much isolated? can it separate the electromagnetic waves?

[neat lintel]

Yeah

[tepid wraith]

theoretically, it could be possible

[neat lintel]

[tepid wraith]

keyword here is could

as i'm not sure

[neat lintel]

Satisfying answer

[tepid wraith]

i don't know

i'm just visualizing the scenario

[stoic tusk]

Ok back

[tepid wraith]

welcome back

[wise jetty]

hello

[stoic tusk]

hen low

[wise jetty]

chicken high, even

[stoic tusk]

Too relatable 💔

[tepid wraith]

not really

[stoic tusk]

Let's say I isolate the system with type 2 isolation

[neat lintel]

Would it depend on the resistance

To produce heat

[tepid wraith]

a part of it, yes

[stoic tusk]

True

You're gonna needa be fast tho

[tepid wraith]

i thinnk ohm's law is not applied in liquids

[stoic tusk]

Use J=SigmaE

[wise jetty]

ohm's law isn't even a law, really

[neat lintel]

So we need to produce heat, then transfer as much as possible outside the circuit

[tepid wraith]

let's not go into that debate now

[stoic tusk]

I mean the formula is based on the law

[wise jetty]

it's not a debate, it's... not a law

[neat lintel]

So thermodynamics would be present

[wise jetty]

it doesn't hold properly

it's a rule of thumb

that works for basic electrical circuits

[stoic tusk]

Or just make a suicide circuit

[wise jetty]

it's not a law by any means

[tepid wraith]

i don't care, everyone calls it a law😕

[stoic tusk]

Let's all become sheep instead

[tepid wraith]

yes

anyways

[stoic tusk]

[wise jetty]

yes what itsuki said

[tepid wraith]

how can you produce the heat? let alone transfer it outside?

[wise jetty]

magik

[stoic tusk]

Basically take wire, flow current but since electrons have random motion they bonk into each other releasing heat and the more current the more bonk the more voltage the more current and

[neat lintel]

heat pump

[stoic tusk]

Yeah this can work too

[tepid wraith]

if electrons have random motion, current will not flow, since you need the net electron flow to some direction

[stoic tusk]

The bonk action comes from resistance

Of the wire

[tepid wraith]

that's not how resistance works

resistance depends on resistivity

[stoic tusk]

?????

[stoic tusk]

And?

[wise jetty]

i'm beginning to question your undergraduate degree in engineering once again

[tepid wraith]

and resistivity is an inherent property of the material, doesn't depends on the flow of current

[stoic tusk]

Me too

[wise jetty]

that's... because of the battery-

[stoic tusk]

Doesn't prove that resistance isn't a cause of the bonk action

[wise jetty]

the heat happens because of resistance...

H = I^2 Rt

joule's law of heating?

[tepid wraith]

you can do as you wish, i don't care about that

[wise jetty]

no, you shouldn't care

[tepid wraith]

does it apply on liquids?

[wise jetty]

we're talking about circuits here

the heat produced inside the circuit is the heat transferred outside

where it's transferred to doesn't matter

[stoic tusk]

Why tho weren't we talking rockets

[wise jetty]

no idea

[tepid wraith]

you just put cause and effect differently in your previous statements

[stoic tusk]

Literally proportional to the square of current. Yes resistance is required but it is an inherent property of the material, you can't just bring resistance out of the air without doing anything

[wise jetty]

?

im kind of confused what are you asking for exactly

[tepid wraith]

it was bam and karma discussing circuits on neptune, i don't know why

[stoic tusk]

So we are all discussing stuff that was said by the only 2 ppl that left

Excellent

[tepid wraith]

i mean i was discussing with them, you two just chimed in 😅

[neat lintel]

Why did i feel like you defined religious conflicts

[tepid wraith]

anyways

[stoic tusk]

[neat lintel]

With the most accurate defentions I heard in my life

[tepid wraith]

my original ask was is it really impossible to land on planets like saturn

[wise jetty]

and i answered that

[tepid wraith]

hmm maybe

[tepid wraith]

unless you build up very very high potential difference, how can you get high resistance enough to boil neptune?

but before you answer that, how can you even get high potential difference? very supercharged batteries?

[stoic tusk]

Use the energy from a nearby supernova

[tepid wraith]

hmm, and how will you do that?

[stoic tusk]

Overfeed the sun to get a supernova

Goodnight!

[tepid wraith]

i mean how will you get energy from the supernova and use it to create high voltage?

[vernal zenith]

Solar panels

[sturdy flint]

are we discussing theoratical ways to boil water?

[edgy gale]

hello guys

[honest ridge]

Hello Henry

[edgy gale]

how are you doing

[honest ridge]

Pretty good

This is another day of taking my cat Shiro out

[edgy gale]

glad to hear that

[honest ridge]

We're very exciteeeed !!!

[edgy gale]

can we talk privately

[tribal rover]

But I wanted to read about cat...

[shadow cosmos]

Updates:

I bought 5 liters of water today

5th day without water

[chilly totem]

Russia and allies send oils to cuba today

nicee

[shadow cosmos]

Probably not

Its going to get confiscated

[shadow cosmos]

Not a good thing

The more oil we have the longer we will have this commies around

[chilly totem]

damn bro eat veggie

[plush olive]

[rain plover]

Funny yeti

[rotund cypress]

It's entirely too late at night for me to be looking at plane tickets but here I am

And sweet heavens they're expensive

[rain plover]

Trains are lifeline

[rotund cypress]

Unfortunately I don't think there's a train that runs from Texas to Melbourne, Florida

[rain plover]

American or Aussie

[rotund cypress]

American

I'm from Texas. Going to Melbourne, Florida for college

Florida Tech for Biomathematics

[rain plover]

Biomaths

new stuff

[rotund cypress]

Major itself isn't popular at all. Florida Tech is one of the few schools that even offers it. But I have plans of getting a PhD in Biostatistics so this major helps a lot with that

[rain plover]

what u wanna become in life

future plans?

[rotund cypress]

Research as a Biostatistician

That's all really

[rain plover]

how much does it pay?

[rotund cypress]

Around $86k as a starting salary

But top earners usually get around $200k I believe

It is a healthcare field

Why do you ask?

[rain plover]

I am going to join college soon

looking for career options

[rotund cypress]

Ohh okay

Well, you should definitely find something that works for you

Biostatistics is very math heavy and complex

It also centers around problem solving. So unless you're not able to do those things or at least don't enjoy math, I don't recommend it at all

[rain plover]

i like maths

rightnow i am in 12th grade

[rain plover]

what bachelor degree should i get

[rotund cypress]

I am too!

[rotund cypress]

Depends on what you like i guess...
I'm not entirely sure. I've known since elementary school that I wanted to go into STEM. I applied as a data science major or a mathematics major at majority of my schools

[rain plover]

it means u r my long dist batchmate

[rotund cypress]

I guess so lol

What schools did you apply to?

[rain plover]

National Defence Academy

but cannot join due to a medical issue

now i am looking forward to join civil services after grad

[rotund cypress]

Oooo okay!

That's nice!

[rain plover]

i love geopolitics and history

[rotund cypress]

I love history too :D

It's a fun side hobby of mine

I love learning about new things related to history

[rain plover]

Ok so tell me
what do u know about indian history

[rain plover]

So u can be my hobby buddy

[rotund cypress]

I don't know or remember many things about their history, but from what I do know, is they did have a advanced civilization. Like the Indus Valley civilization were already using things like standardized weights and sewage systems. Which was a crazy time because other civilizations were nomadic. And the other thing I remember is that the number zero, decimal systems, foundations of algebra, trigonometry, calculus originated in India. And even ancient texts like Rasarata Sumukaya (?) had things that resemble detailed chemistry. Though I don't remember if it was chemistry explicitly

It was some type of science though I believe

[rotund cypress]

[rain plover]

Ancient Indian history is beautiful
Medieval is tragic
and Modern will make u cry

[rain plover]

thnk u miss

There is sth special about ur name

[rotund cypress]

Ofc!

[rotund cypress]

Really?

[rain plover]

Lotus is the national flower of my country

[rain plover]

so plz don't come here
otherwise people will make u the national crush

[rotund cypress]

Ohhh okay!! That's interesting!

[nimble jacinth]

wt is happening?!?

[rain plover]

guess which country i belong to

[gritty heath]

vietnam

[nimble jacinth]

india

[rich moat]

Philippines

[rotund cypress]

I don't know.. 😭

[rotund cypress]

India

[gritty heath]

I know the national flower of Vietnam is the lotus but idk if any other country has it too

[rotund cypress]

India does

[gritty heath]

I see

Cool

[nimble jacinth]

ayo i guessed india too

[rain plover]

Do u know anything about modi

[nimble jacinth]

ig yea

he is the prime minister of india

[rich moat]

everyone loves him and he does no wrong

[rain plover]

is he famous out there

[rotund cypress]

I do not. All I know is that he's the prime minister of India. But that's about it

[rotund cypress]

Not exactly. He may be famous in other places, but in my state specifically, he is not famous.

[nimble jacinth]

i should be writing an essay now but im procrastinating..

[rain plover]

but ur trump is quite infamous here

everybody hates him

[nimble jacinth]

you assumed she was from us?

[rotund cypress]

You're so real for that. I should be sleeping right now because I gotta be energized later today for the rodeo

[rotund cypress]

I did tell him I was American earlier lol

[nimble jacinth]

ohh

[rotund cypress]

I'm from Texas

[rain plover]

we are hobby buddies lol

[rich moat]

TEXASSSS

[nimble jacinth]

oh nice

[rotund cypress]

YES HEHE

[nimble jacinth]

im from india too

[rain plover]

evident from ur name

[rich moat]

I'd rather live in a warzone than India (I already do)

[nimble jacinth]

thats not my name lol

[rain plover]

it is

ur name might be ritwik or sth near

[rotund cypress]

Crazy thing to say 😭
But the country itself isn't too bad

But i would never live myself. Especially since I'm southern. I'm used to southern culture

[rich moat]

do you have the accent

[rotund cypress]

I guess so? Many people say i do 😅
My friend who's from Washington state constantly told me she could hear the accent

[rich moat]

cool

[rotund cypress]

At times it isn't the best though 😅

[rich moat]

why? you get judged for it?

[rotund cypress]

I oftentimes get teased over it. Or people mock what I say by attempting to repeat the accent

[rotund cypress]

Yeah. Especially since I now live in the city and not my hometown

But i guess it's also because people probably haven't heard a southern accent irl before I'm assuming.??

[rich moat]

city rats mald because they'll never experience southern hospitality

[rotund cypress]

Southern hospitality is everywhere in Texas lol. It's just the accents. I guess it's because I have more of a "small town southern accent" so that's probably why

[drifting plover]

shillong's nice though

great city

clean, amazing people, lots of sports

good food

too

[umbral wind]

i am hearing it a lot

[jolly hornet]

damn you're not chronically online?

[umbral wind]

yeah i can use discord only rn

can you hellp me

@jolly hornet

waht is it

[jolly hornet]

yuppp

sooooo idts it its smthn we can discuss here

maybe we can get a ban

[umbral wind]

prive?

[jolly hornet]

yup

come

[rain plover]

Hiii

[fading echo]

Yo is there anyone with econ major and minor in math????

I wanted to know about research prospects in it

[echo pumice]

i know a guy that knows a guy that might

[fading echo]

Fr?

[echo pumice]

inshallah

[fading echo]

Where can I find such people if not here?

[storm sage]

You probably want to look for an economics Discord server

[fading echo]

Ooh do u know any???

[storm sage]

no unfortunately, I bet there are big ones though if you look it up

[shadow cosmos]

Hello everyone

[chilly totem]

Hi

[grim flax]

Hello

[tacit sapphire]

hi

wsp

[grim flax]

Gud what about you?

[tacit sapphire]

same

ive caught a cold i hope it goes away fast

[chilly totem]

@unreal flume đh bắt làm haskell ncc

[unreal flume]

vãi

cày c++ với python có phải hơn ko

hay html/js/css

[unreal flume]

mà a xin kiểu jz

kiểu a nói như nào mà đc z

[chilly totem]

Xin gì cơ

[unreal flume]

green

[chilly totem]

Thì hỏi modmail là tại sao giúp nhiều mà ko có role helpful, có phải là do bị mute trc đó không

Rồi mấy ông mod bảo là do bot đang lỗi với cả trước a cũng ping mod nhầm 1 lần nên vô hồ sơ nên ko đc green

Anyways lỗi nhỏ nên cho qua

[unreal flume]

[unreal flume]

ah đr

nhớ có cái vụ một thg ping mod chỉ vì quả display name

[chilly totem]

Yê

[chilly totem]

Vc

[unreal flume]

nhma hai chữ cuối ko cho lấy

[chilly totem]

Có 1 tk cu green nói linh tinh mất role r

Quên tên nhưng trong chat

[unreal flume]

xong

[chilly totem]

Vô green có group nch cx hay

[unreal flume]

mods phản hồi r

[unreal flume]

sướng vãi

[true zinc]

<@&268886789983436800> users not speaking english

[rocky elk]

Bay màu 💔

[latent edge]

#Vietnamese

[long matrix]

cook

[ocean harbor]

ded

[grim flax]

Doomed

[versed frost]

@vague flame figuring out it's theta not tetra

[ocean harbor]

bro really pinged random person for that

[fiery rivet]

θ

[warm flare]

can someone help me, i created a channel and nobody has helped me for 25 minutes

[quasi jetty]

Helpers are just people volunteering their time to help you. Be polite and patient.

[fiery rivet]

How DARE you 😠 😠 😠 😠 😠 😠 😠

[fiery rivet]

holy embed fail

[chilly totem]

[chilly totem]

😱

[sharp sage]

Ts why you dont speak vietnamese here

[torn mason]

@forest herald did the independent stuff work

[forest herald]

yea I got 100% on that

[torn mason]

Alright niceee

[torn mason]

The volcano sum?

[forest herald]

volcano?

[torn mason]

Yesterday we were discussing that sum right

[forest herald]

The bayes theorem stuff?

[torn mason]

Yesss

[forest herald]

or the stuff before that

[forest herald]

that's what I couldn't figure out

[torn mason]

Did u find the P(B)

[forest herald]

It knocked me down 29%

[torn mason]

Oh shii

Did you check for the answer

[forest herald]

Lemme check now

I just looked at overall grade

[torn mason]

Alrighttt

[torn mason]

You gotta learn from your mistakes 😔😣

[forest herald]

#help-21｜아리스킨충1

[lime iris]

Yoo

[silent junco]

@foggy meadow the idea is pretty simple, suppose you have a divergent sum $\sum a_n$. well we examine instead the limit of the power series $\sum a_nx^n$ as $x\to 1$ from the left

[fathom swallow]

rays

[foggy meadow]

Why is this important for lattices and groups?

[latent edge]

Oh Abel sum?

[silent junco]

well if you have a representation of a group on a hilbert space or something, then each group element corresponds to an operator. this operator may not have a trace in the usual sense so we need to deal with regularized traces, which can be obtained using abel sums, although the preferred method is usually something else like zeta fn

[foggy meadow]

What would a_{n} be technically then in this case?

[silent junco]

log of the eigenvalues

[foggy meadow]

@silent junco Get nG over here maybe?

[silent junco]

well i dont want to interrupt his flow

[foggy meadow]

;-;

The other chat makes it hard to follow.

[patent phoenix]

What would be considered a “mathematicians” job everyone asking for a friend

Like yk how nursing majors -> nursing job or computer science major -> software engineer, what would be the equivalent for math

What are the most common ones

I hate the idea that to be employed as a math major u have to be a professor bc that’s just a closed loop ur being a professor to teach other students to be math majors and ya ya

What I mean is, let’s say a student fresh off a pure mathematics degree, let’s say they did nothing else but that, what jobs are looking most for this profile and what jobs accomodate this profile the most

Just based on what we know about jobs

/types of work

But wouldn’t that just be looking for data science bachelors

What alpha does doing a math major give you fundamentally in contrast do doing data science if one of the most accommodating jobs to your degree is data science

Ya on both our parts, but we can definitely think from the skills required in the jobs and the skills learned in the degree, as well as trivialities like optics

Does this imply there’s no safe choice for emoloyment after a degree in math

I 100% agree I just wanna learn more

Right but this applies to everything if you think abt it

Math majors can do engineering jobs but a math major won’t take the role from a meche student

And this extends to all jobs that mathematics trains you for

But doesn’t qualify you for any

Then again in this job market you’re competing with top students who also did internships yk so that as a spike by itself isn’t so useful

Does this imply that to study math one must sacrifice their potential for success

Sorry ur right, financial success

[idle steppe]

The current pope literally has a bachelors degree in mathematics

The president of romania is a math phd, perfect score on the imo too

[lethal sphinx]

hello

[idle steppe]

A math degree is very broad

Same with physics

[patent phoenix]

This is considering the case of just a bachelors, however, could some of the marketability of a math major be regained through an applied masters? Say I do a bs in math and then a ms in engineering or smth, I am technically learning all that one would about engineering, would it equate to a bachelors in engineering tho

[patent phoenix]

It’s a double edged sword because as a generalist I really like this aspect but then again I also love money ✌️

[idle steppe]

You have to find out what u want to do, a math degree wont narrow you down a specific career

[patent phoenix]

I don’t fully believe this is something one should take into consideration. I think the startup culture scene rn is like infinitely more competitive and worse than anything academia has

[idle steppe]

Debroglie?

[patent phoenix]

Yea I figured, but do you think that a masters in the specialized aspect you find out you like after bachelors can make up for not choosing a specialized major out the getgo

[idle steppe]

Debroglie was also a history major

Cool

Im pretty sure companies just want to see that you have skills, not nesscesarily some diploma

[patent phoenix]

I wish I could believe this but it’s looking more and more like the name outweighs the skills gained

At least from my own personal experiences and observations

Of course but just purely the traditional sense of learning skills to get a job, is there a way to make that work with math where you are actually rewarded for what you study, not just the name

In reality math and physics students should be paid the highest in the world for their knowledge but alas this goes to the engineering majors who are, for me, too specialized… to closed

Basically has anyone here ever made money with math nd can you teach me ur ways lmao

[idle steppe]

Quants get paid the most

Medical doctors also get paid alot but they deserve it

[patent phoenix]

I try to do all these things but,,, maybe I’m just pessimistic. I feel like your friendly neighborhood finance major can boot up his Cursor and make like 20 Heston Bergomi whatever pricing platforms in less than 6 months and they would get more ahead in this sense

I mean like here in this discussion, but I wish I can interview Simons lmao the goat

Those are NOT the proper role models 😂

[idle steppe]

Isnt applied math better for that?

[patent phoenix]

Applied math is math!

Basically I’m not limiting to pure or applied

Just under the umbrella term of math can you do smth with it

I think this is more a high school engineering or a business type of thing, at least my uni doesn’t offer that for let’s say an ee degree

That’s lame 🙁

May I ask what major you are

Oh perfect 😭 do you feel like you regret it

Oh wow, if you’re ok with it can you elaborate

I see, do you feel that the opportunities that came up to you after your undergrad underwhelmed you or were not necessarily up to par with your expectations, or was it simply that you found cooler stuff

Yea I didn’t know that stuff like economics is really considered that’s interesting

Yea engineers are undoubtedly really useful, but to be frank I really don’t care for engineering as much as math

I like learning about math but more as a tool that I need to find ways to apply to the real world creatively, that’s what excites me

My point mainly comes from the knowledge u gain… at the end of the day a math major can read one econ book and understand all of it and can read a book on fluid dynamics and understand all if it relatively easily

Same with physics

But understanding means nothing when your employers don’t know you understand

Which is where a major comes into play

It really is such a important decision now that I think about it

Yep this is my current major now and while I am absolutely loving it and am planning to do a masters in dynamical systems And nonlinear dynamics after graduation, I still want money 😭 I want a family I don’t want to be a lone scientist at 40 just beginning to look for how to become a functioning society member yk

I’m trying 🫩

Yea I think if I want to work in something I actually like, I got to work harder to get the proper connections and market myself correctly to pursue what I like

Whereas if I want the safe bet while it would be easier and not require much effort beyond school, I wouldn’t be doing what I like, so it’s a trade off

Thank you for engaging in dialogue with me 🙂

Yep you cleared up a lot for me I really appreciate it, I think I just needed someone to talk to abt this for it to stick, thanks!!!

[sage pawn]

Hi!

[patent phoenix]

I took some classes my first year, I think I mostly liked microeconomics the most, but lmao this is gonna sound funny but too much words 😭😭😭 give me numbers

[shadow cosmos]

7th day without water

[patent phoenix]

Dw it alr has lmao

Atleast abstract algebra is fun to read 😭

It’s like a puzzle

I think I just find proofs and logical statements really satisfying to read

I once contemplated doing a math and English double major….. I would’ve been the most literate graduate lmaooo

[shadow cosmos]

@chilly totem

[azure kraken]

is your pee acidic

[chilly totem]

Holy fuck

[shadow cosmos]

No

[chilly totem]

I thought you bought water

[shadow cosmos]

It is quite yellow tho

[shadow cosmos]

(No water at home)

It was not enough to cook or shower

[azure kraken]

oh i thought like without drinking water

[shadow cosmos]

Just drink and basic body cleaning

[azure kraken]

just find a lake or something and bathe there

[shadow cosmos]

I dont know of any lake

I don’t even know if those exist at all near

Im from the capital

[chilly totem]

River

[shadow cosmos]

Nope

[chilly totem]

Worst case sewage

[shadow cosmos]

The closest river is contaminated asf

[shadow cosmos]

Whats tgat

[chilly totem]

^

https://tenor.com/view/water-dirty-water-sewer-pipe-gif-13851063

Water

[shadow cosmos]

I could always go to the bitch but traveling is expensive

[chilly totem]

Wouldnt recommende