serious-discussion

[analog abyss]

Actually ζ(n) = n
Proof: :3

[molten echo]

independence degree I think

I mean transcendece degree

or maybe it's something advanced and i'm stupid...

[vivid halo]

yeah it's a transcendence degree computation involving some very clever construtions of linear forms in multizetas

like we also know that infinity many of them are irrational, like among the first n we know that log(n) many are irrational

[molten echo]

interesting

It would be wild if they're rational 💀

[vivid halo]

if the transcendence and algebraic independence of the odd zeta values were false it would be a huge disaster

[analog abyss]

Why?

[vivid halo]

because it would completely destroy what we understand about motives and algebraic K-theory

like this transcendence conjecture is not some random optimistic thing

it's what algebraic K-theory and the Tannakian formalism for mixed motives predicts

[molten echo]

Algebraic K-theory/motifs? ...I'm not that advanced yet...

I know barely anything bruh

[vivid halo]

we have a very good formalism of Galois theory for period intgerals that come from algebraic geometry like this

[molten echo]

oh that makes more sense

[vivid halo]

every conjecture in that area points towards all algebraic relations between such period integrals also having a geometric origin

so if these transcendence statements were false it would mean that somehow there is some algebraic relatin between such period integrals that has no geometric explanation whatsoever

[molten echo]

interesting

[vivid halo]

it's like saying there are algebraic relations between algebraic numbers which don't come from algebra

[molten echo]

I'm reminded of the borwein integrals

for some reason

[rigid nymph]

Yo guy's

I want to participate in This intellectual conversation

[vivid halo]

these periods like zeta values lift from the complex numbers to a much richer algebra, the Hopf algebra of motivic periods, the comultiplication in this algebra lets you decompose period integrals into simpler pieces and this is what determines all the algebraic relations between them

[rigid nymph]

Agreed

[magic python]

😭

[vivid halo]

the conjecture is that the map from this Hopf algebra to the complex numbers is injective, any algebraic relation between actual numbers already had to exist in this much more rigid sturcture

[rigid nymph]

Fr bro

[molten echo]

I understood the later part but i don't know what a motivic period is...

[rigid nymph]

Exactly

I was about to say that.

[magic python]

True true

[fading quiver]

me 4(1+1-1+1-1...)

[molten echo]

that makes some sense, extra symmetry makes it probably likely that it is injective

btw [redacted] is censore

[magic python]

Since 4.0gpa is so smart can they teach me more about my mind gremlin

[rigid nymph]

Exactly the line of symmetry

[magic python]

Don't get around automod. It's not allowed.

[molten echo]

yeah i changed it

[vivid halo]

motivic periods are integrals of algebraically defined integrands (i.e. involving only polynomial differential forms with rational coefficients) over algebraically defined regions (i.e. involving only polynomial inequalities with rational coefficients)

[molten echo]

just informing people

[rigid nymph]

What's that

What's a gremlin

[rigid nymph]

EXACTLY

[molten echo]

ah like calculating the area is a dumb example i guess. or more interesting polynomials integrated in complex shapes

[vivid halo]

they are what you get when you pair rational singular homology classes with rational de Rham cohomology classes on algebraic varieties defined over the rational numbers, this cohomological interpretation is what renders them motivic

[rigid nymph]

ONG THIS.

Stole the words out of my mouth

[molten echo]

I'm not at homology yet 🥀

max i know about de rham is like exact sequences

[rigid nymph]

Not smart enough to understand this meme

[magic python]

It's not a meme.

[molten echo]

it's REALITY

[magic python]

:3c

[rigid nymph]

I actually feel so smart rn

[magic python]

Indeed

[rigid nymph]

After participating in this intellectual conversation

[magic python]

Ugh I guess you aren't smart if you don't know what the mind gremlin is smh my head /lh /s

[molten echo]

are you a postgraduate @vivid halo ?

[vivid halo]

yes I have a PhD and am a postdoc researcher

[rigid nymph]

Sameee

[magic python]

Me lowkey

[rigid nymph]

Yes I am

[molten echo]

OH 💀 I'm in high school

[neat lintel]

are you based on the anglosphere?

[vivid halo]

I didn't know what an exact sequence was in high school

[vivid halo]

yes

[neat lintel]

is the eternal postdoc real there?

[vivid halo]

based in Sweden, currently in Vienna for the month

[rigid nymph]

What

[magic python]

Sarcasm.

[rigid nymph]

My mind didn't comprehend this message

[vivid halo]

I hope so I need to apply for jobs again

[magic python]

😭

[fading quiver]

when the construction supervisor tells me to detail the building process of the wall

[vivid halo]

oh yeah this paper is cute

[molten echo]

What is this paper bro

[vivid halo]

read the Habiro thesis https://guests.mpim-bonn.mpg.de/ferdinand/q-Thesis.pdf

[molten echo]

I've reached the intellectual ceiling of my current math capacity

[rigid nymph]

PhD and no jobs?

Crazy world we live in

It's ok I'll here you @vivid halo

[rich moat]

math research is rad because you're literally creating new math

[rigid nymph]

Send me your CV and I'll consider it

[vivid halo]

I mean everyone is fucked for jobs right now lol

[molten echo]

uhm i get 20% of this...

ok

I accept that i cannot accept

[vivid halo]

ah yes, the Habiro ring

[rich moat]

studying math sounds like a pyramid scheme

[vivid halo]

it is only THH of KU with genuine cyclotomic descent

[molten echo]

uh-huh... what's a thh and what's a ku

[rigid nymph]

Send me your cv

[molten echo]

i mean i get the $O_F[1/\delta]$

[fathom swallow]

May1729

[magic python]

Needs more fonts

[rigid nymph]

I'll consider to hire u

[molten echo]

what? wow!

[rich moat]

lol

[rigid nymph]

Of?

What does this formula mean?

[rich moat]

open cover for F

[rigid nymph]

Ohhhh

Got it

[neat lintel]

Postdoc job openings are relatively hard to find, especially if you have a niche topic. Industry and academia are not so different when it comes to the competitiveness, you have alot of phd graduates to compete with. (Youll be traumatized being a choice of 3, the other being a PSL and Leiden graduates 😢)

[rich moat]

Nah ignore me idk what I'm talking about

[rigid nymph]

Lol I have Mercedes so I'm set

#be born rich

I'll hire you

And we all can be rixh

WE ALL MAKING IT TO THE BIG LEAGUES

[magic python]

Nope

Not me

[rich moat]

I think I might be a big league mathematician some day

I absorb things quickly

which doesn't gauge research skills but wtv

[molten echo]

what is the BIG LEAGUE

[rich moat]

good question... no idea haha

the league of people that made memorable contributions maybe

[molten echo]

well isn't it vague though?

[rich moat]

I suppose

[molten echo]

like most people know einstein(not really mathematician i guess), some people know euler/gauss/etc., a few people know Hilbert/riemann etc, and really few people recognize Grothendieck, even though he made monumental contributions

[rich moat]

and all of those people will never be forgotten, I want that for myself

maybe name a theorem after myself

immortalized through math and science!!

[molten echo]

true indeed!

[molten echo]

best kind huh

(except for the biological kind!)

[spiral arch]

does anyone know any good math study websites, I want to review for my precalculus final

[rigid nymph]

Nope

Math gpt

Is what I use but idk if it would be good for pre calc

Gemeni is also good

Better then chat gpt

[quasi jetty]

Please do not trust ChatGPT or similar AI tools for mathematical tasks, as they often generate output which "sounds correct" but has numerous factual or logical errors. Use of these AI tools to answer other people's help questions is strictly against server rules (see #rules).

[idle juniper]

pls dont use any type of AI it ruins u

[neat lintel]

How?

I use mathgpt

I use all the AI’s

[idle juniper]

if u rely on it for everything ur never gonna learn

[neat lintel]

I have them talking to each other running locally

[neat lintel]

🥀

School has been past the learning stage bro

[idle juniper]

❓

[neat lintel]

That’s a bs reasoning

Using ChatGPT is just cheating

So basically what you meant to say is if you cheat you’re never gonna learn

[idle juniper]

same thing bruh like what

[timid bronze]

Using it to help you learn is different from using it to do the work for you

[neat lintel]

Yeah that’s true

[lilac fossil]

AI is dumb af, just read

[neat lintel]

I don’t think you understand

[lilac fossil]

you have to the mental work to understand stuff

I understand

but the suffering is part of the process

[neat lintel]

Right

Suffering

[lilac fossil]

if head does not get hurty, no learning

[neat lintel]

Who doesn’t want to suffer

[timid bronze]

Some people like using it to breakdown the part of the reading they don’t understand

[neat lintel]

Make everyone’s life difficult

[lilac fossil]

to evolve is to suffer

[neat lintel]

Let’s stop using electricity altogether that will make us suffer

[timid bronze]

It’s not productive to sit at a part of a textbook for countless hours and not get help

Sometimes that help isn’t available

AI has helped me a little in understanding part of textbooks I couldn’t understand

[neat lintel]

Sometimes it may be more inefficient

[lilac fossil]

and then you rely on tools that have high chances of giving you the wrong info?

[neat lintel]

You can use it to compile multiple sources, books , etc

[timid bronze]

What matters is how you use it

[neat lintel]

Are you stuck in 2022 ChatGPT incudes direct source links

[timid bronze]

I don’t use it to do problems for me

[neat lintel]

It’s basically a really advanced search engine

[timid bronze]

Nor explain solutions

[lilac fossil]

Learning how to live without electricity isn't bad. You can learn how to make your own!

[timid bronze]

How I use it barely gives me an incorrect answer

[latent edge]

[lilac fossil]

I've saw it. It tries to source stuff, even when the information isn't relevant to the problem.

[timid bronze]

But I can’t use AI for math

I’ve only used it for physics tbh

When I could not understand Guass’s Law

😭

[neat lintel]

That’s just not true

It’s actually a great tool

If you refuse to learn how to use it then you’re just handicapping yourself

It’s like when boomers refuse to get a smartphone

[timid bronze]

Er

[neat lintel]

It’s just a tool

[timid bronze]

Anyways people should just do what works best for them

But using it to do your work is lame

[lilac fossil]

I refuse to get a smartphone

I'm not even a boomer

[vivid halo]

it is a tool that has limited use to research mathematics so I don't gain to benefit very much from this

[neat lintel]

I don’t use it for math

[vivid halo]

good

[neat lintel]

I’ve tried using it to create some excel sheets but it kinda sucks

Claude was decent I guess

[latent edge]

???

[neat lintel]

?

[latent edge]

[lilac fossil]

I love question marks

[neat lintel]

I know

[lilac fossil]

they express so much and so little

[neat lintel]

????

[lilac fossil]

they express enough to get angry, but not enough to comment

[neat lintel]

Well said

[lilac fossil]

it's the perfect rage bait

[timid bronze]

It was just a strange comment

I agree that AI can be used correctly but that was weird

[jagged forge]

i don’t think it was that strange tbh

[lilac fossil]

the combo is hitting people with question marks and when they get angry you hit them with "why are you so angry?"

[neat lintel]

It’s like refusing to use the internet

[lilac fossil]

which is fine too

refusing to use tools is fine

[neat lintel]

Never said it was wrong

[lilac fossil]

fine in the sense that it isn't that bad

[neat lintel]

But people flame on it too much especially here

[jagged forge]

people already use it very effectively for learning, having it quiz themselves, practice speeches and interviews, etc…. it is a powerful tool although it has many limitations and there’s a lot of nonsense floating around about its capabilities

[lilac fossil]

people flame on anything here

[vivid halo]

because it's terrible for mathematics in particular

[neat lintel]

I understand that and I agree

But mention using AI and you’ll get 20 users saying to stop at once

[lilac fossil]

the internet? the internet is shit

[timid bronze]

It could honestly still be worded better

And frankly

To each their own

I don’t get why people care about what others do to learn

[jagged forge]

the internet is where i learned to code. but no i was talking about AI

[timid bronze]

As long as they have academic integrity and are honest

[lilac fossil]

AI is shit too

[jagged forge]

a good faith take for sure

[lilac fossil]

because we need to validate ourselves

don't you get it?

[neat lintel]

I do this I’m better than u

[lilac fossil]

if I say someone is wrong and I'm right, then I get good brain juice

[jagged forge]

now ur just saying random shi 🥀

[lilac fossil]

YES!

it's all a game

[neat lintel]

Virtual signaling

[lilac fossil]

who gets more brain juice

[neat lintel]

We’re such interesting little critters

[lilac fossil]

one says a argument for AI and gets his juice, I say shit about AI and get my juice

it's a perfect system

enjoy it

[neat lintel]

And who set it up

[latent edge]

Mamma mia

[neat lintel]

It was microwave

[jagged forge]

i get no brain juice from whatever this is

[timid bronze]

I fear my ADHD has me stressing at a section of a book hours at a time here and there. Sometimes I need to rely on the robot when no help is available 🥹🥹

[neat lintel]

Microwave discovered that people get dopamine from arguing

Have you considered being a psychologist…

[jagged forge]

i’ve been using claude to ask questions about how my company’s codebase works cuz no one left comments or diagrams fr

[lilac fossil]

I'm explaining it to the person here. But if you want to argue to get your dopamine, I can get into it!

[jagged forge]

but it also just kinda makes stuff up sometimes

[timid bronze]

AI lowkey does suck for a lot of concepts though

[jagged forge]

i imagine it does pretty good at undergrad level stem subjects

[neat lintel]

Yeah that’s the whole point of my comment! See what I’m doing?!

[timid bronze]

Not all of physics

[lilac fossil]

And you are wrong!

[timid bronze]

But AI was lowkey goated for making me gen chem exams

[jagged forge]

hmm, where did it struggle with that?

[lilac fossil]

Now I'm going to abandon the discussion to keep my ego!

[timid bronze]

Because gen chem did not give us any practice exams

[jagged forge]

i just kinda assume undergrad stem stuff is highly represented in its training data

[neat lintel]

I use Claude to compile all the courses that overlap with some requirements in excel and it was half decent

[latent edge]

That is certainly true

[timid bronze]

Explaining some parallel and series concepts I was not understanding

[latent edge]

With things like gen chem, calculus and newtonian mechanics you can expect good things

[timid bronze]

No ☠️ AI sucked for physics 1

[latent edge]

But at this point just use the internet instead

[neat lintel]

Calculus 🥀

[jagged forge]

depends if someone asked your question on physics stackexchange i suppose

[neat lintel]

I have a speech to write fuck

[latent edge]

Yeah I meant for the most part the practice material is everywhere so it's not surprising that AI can pick these up

[timid bronze]

Lol me not doing any shit on my journalism paper today

[neat lintel]

It’s so boring 😣

[timid bronze]

I don’t think it’s boring

I’m just tired and unmotivated

My ochem grade went from a B to an A- though from the recent exam

Heh

[neat lintel]

I do

[latent edge]

One thing I noticed among math majors who obsessively use AI is they hallucinate a lot

[neat lintel]

But it’s wtv a cup of coffee makes me lock in

The ai or themselves

[timid bronze]

My meds make me lock in

Except I keep waking up late

So I can’t take them

😂

I hate spring break bro my sleep schedule just fucks up

[jagged forge]

its usefulness certainly hinges on how much of the bs you can sniff out

frequently i ask claude a question about this codebase and then i notice it didn’t look at anything

so then i tell it to confirm by looking at code (and then it uses like 100,000 tokens reading code)

[timid bronze]

Wait Matt

[neat lintel]

Fix it brother

It’s 9:23 pm and I’m already falling asleep

[neat lintel]

How’d you find out you had adhd

[timid bronze]

https://youtube.com/shorts/F8mwLJWsgWE?si=TvTmwesrEgSPAv3u

Watch

Pls

😂

[jagged forge]

LMAO???

this is perfect

it reminds me of another video

https://youtu.be/HluANRwPyNo

[timid bronze]

LmfOOOOOOO

[timid bronze]

I mean

[proven rose]

damn nice whats it like over there?

[timid bronze]

I always felt like I had a learning comdition

[neat lintel]

I told my mom I was a business major and she told me to start dressing up, suit and tie. She genuinely thought I was cooking up deals with CEO’s

[timid bronze]

I’d work 2x as hard just to get the average grade

Or take longer to learn

Plus have difficulty in focusing on a particular task

My brain was always busy

[neat lintel]

Yeah

Commitment issues

[timid bronze]

I’d get headaches all the time from what felt like I was thinking of 99 different things

Since I’ve been diagnosed, it’s gotten better

[neat lintel]

I’m glad

[latent edge]

Code wise AI is goated

till obviously you have to do crucial things but that's on you

[night basin]

Can't relate because both my parents are postgrad degree holder, so they know the truth

[timid bronze]

I would have gotten tested younger, but my parents stigmatize disorders

So I was not able to get tested until I was living on my own

[jagged forge]

tbh i think its value there is somewhat overstated as well. but software engineering has different requirements than like someone who just needs a bunch of scripts

[timid bronze]

(They understand now and are more supportive)

My mom is still learning but

My dad supports me fully

[latent edge]

Oh yeah definitely software engineering is a different breed

[neat lintel]

This is so true

[neat lintel]

My parents have never set foot in a college 🥀

[timid bronze]

Lowkey cooked

[latent edge]

If you want to like generate a random template cuz u cba then it's fine

[timid bronze]

I hate the US

But

Idk where I’d go

[latent edge]

It's super horrible with the actual software engineering stuff tho

[neat lintel]

There’s genuinely levels to ts

Had to change my major

[jagged forge]

im not sure what kind of stuff it’s good at or bad at yet tbh but it’s definitely prone to producing buggy code in anything thats like sufficiently complex

[night basin]

I am doing master degree now too 🙂

[neat lintel]

Coool

[timid bronze]

Ooh degrees in what

[latent edge]

Yeah it likes to make the code boated for some reason

[jagged forge]

one article i read said that feature branches in CircleCI were up 60% but main branch activity was down 7%. which basically means software engineers using CircleCI were producing 60% more code but even less of it was deployed

[timid bronze]

What is your major btw

[jagged forge]

fr dude sometimes i tell claude to do stuff and it says “let me do this the pragmatic way” and then it does some stupid bullshit

[timid bronze]

When will you marry AI

You had it build your computer

[jagged forge]

it’s like a junior engineer trying to cobble together some feature without good judgment

[latent edge]

lmao

[jagged forge]

i asked it which way my psu should be oriented 🥀 get off my ass smh

[latent edge]

I tried using it for compilers. Literally a waste of time

[jagged forge]

oof

yeah what i was working on was not dissimilar from a compiler actually

sql query planner, not from scratch but i had it add some new optimization passes

[latent edge]

there is a shift reduce conflict
sure
proceeds to make another one and produce more points where the grammar is ambiguous

[night basin]

Engineering

[jagged forge]

for rigorous things like parsers or dare i say even compilers, you can actually get better performance if you set up an airtight testing loop for it. but that can take some cleverness

like 1). tell it to find a corpus to test on, 2). look for invariants to have it set up tests for

[latent edge]

I mean at this point just do stuff yourself

[jagged forge]

well, it can be good for prototyping

if you need to slop out something that like 80% works pretty fast

[latent edge]

It's also good when you get an error and have no idea wtf is going on

[jagged forge]

also true

[flat harbor]

i run it thru my slop when its not working and its pointed out smth two times so far

[latent edge]

May give the wrong solution but the error identification is mostly correct

[flat harbor]

its worth giving it a shot

[jagged forge]

yeah i’ve found it’s a net positive for hunting down errors

for heisenbugs though it’s not quite omniscient if u know what i mean

[latent edge]

But anyways finally got a working compiler that change my prof's programming language into java

Peak

[jagged forge]

noice

[timid bronze]

That’s nice

[timid bronze]

Awww

Dami is so sweet for helping you

[jagged forge]

what

[latent edge]

Questionable language choices (java) but I mean it's not the real deal if you don't get stuck and start smashing your keyboard

[jagged forge]

gang dami bought a prebuilt

i mog him in pc building

[timid bronze]

AI..?

[jagged forge]

bruh

[timid bronze]

LMAOOOO

[jagged forge]

i hate u for making that joke

[timid bronze]

Shut your bith aaa up

Grumpy unc

[neat lintel]

[timid bronze]

He is still a better builder than you

[flat harbor]

i guess it makes sense that ure a gen alpha poster

[jagged forge]

what did dami build

[flat harbor]

from the same crop

[timid bronze]

He helped you

[jagged forge]

i feel like surely u can go worse than java these days

like for instance……. scala

or javascript with no type annotations

or python with no type annotations

[flat harbor]

i had the pleasure of tryna find a function in a package

and discovering it was a wrapper for smth written entirely in rust

[timid bronze]

Bro put on the Not Very Ppl role

Even though he dogged on it a few days ago

☠️

[jagged forge]

i had no choice

it’s this or VA

[flat harbor]

its a nice blue

[jagged forge]

what kind of package?

[timid bronze]

The VA color isn’t even ugly

Idg your point

[jagged forge]

it’s DISGUSTING

[flat harbor]

computational mirror symmetry stuff

[timid bronze]

And your beer cheese obsession isn’t?

[flat harbor]

ill never figure out why the guy who wrote it wrote it in the way he did

but iguess thats how life is

[latent edge]

It's worse since we had to use old java code

[jagged forge]

ur going to make ppl think this is real at this rate

[timid bronze]

If only the mods didn’t ban the PF jokes

[jagged forge]

i don’t understand, was this like some tool written in rust, or are you saying it was a software library with a function that calls out to rust

[latent edge]

some things were causing warnings sure but the technologies used were also super old there's practically no documentation for them

[flat harbor]

oh its a python package written in rust

[jagged forge]

oh

[flat harbor]

is the full stack developer grind now a prereq for physicists?

[jagged forge]

well that sounds pretty normal tbh

the correct way to use python is to use it as a wrapper for C/C++ or increasingly Rust lol

i guess it’s a problem when your physicist colleagues don’t know rust tho…

[neat lintel]

Bruh ai detectors are so ass

[flat harbor]

not in this business...

[jagged forge]

julia is supposed to fix that problem where u don’t need a slow simple language wrapping a fast and complicated one

[flat harbor]

i do see a lot of physicists using julia

[flat harbor]

if there was possible to learn this during the winter or so then i might hop on

if it takes "real investment" then nah aint worth it

[jagged forge]

learning what, rust? or just using python to interop

[flat harbor]

latter

[jagged forge]

i’ve never done ffi stuff in python and i kinda expect it sucks and is like ripping teeth out

[zealous bronze]

julia is really nice for scripting, better than python in many ways

[jagged forge]

but maybe the frameworks make it nice and easy idk

[flat harbor]

well the thing is i dont know what abt it would be frustrating

u cant motivate someone to learn smth by giving them motivations they need to learn to get

[jagged forge]

ffi in general can just be kinda painful

not sure what ur asking for exactly tbh

[flat harbor]

tbh neither am i lmfao

[jagged forge]

but i mean. fundamentally it’s just a hard thing to do right and often you end up having to look at generated code

generated code is often painful to work with

[flat harbor]

i need to sit down w someone and do a Consultation to figure out what tech i rly culd benefit from

[jagged forge]

true

[flat harbor]

generated code has trolled me a bit too much

[jagged forge]

oof

[flat harbor]

its part of the motivation for me to sit down in the winter or smn and learn how to do ts properly

[timid bronze]

Why do you need one

[neat lintel]

I wrote my speech and thought I sounded like a robot

Ran it through and it’s 14% ai

🥀

That’s a new kind of insult

[latent edge]

Did you hallucinate by any chance?

[neat lintel]

I’ve got the speech leveled by “body 1 , body 2, introduction” etc cuz that’s what the professor wants us to do and apparently that’s AI

[neat lintel]

?

[latent edge]

But also AI detectors are not reliable

[neat lintel]

She said she’d run it through 5 different ai detectors and what not

[timid bronze]

Rip

Detectors can be shit though as said above

[neat lintel]

Yeah I’m sending it

One says 100 % human other says 55% ai

😭✌️

[timid bronze]

55% AI 😭

You wrote this on Google Docs?

If you are scared of getting accused of using AI, you have your editing history to back you up

[neat lintel]

I wrote ts in Google Docs

If it happens it happens

It is what it is

[timid bronze]

No it’s not 😭

Use your editing history as a way of disproving you plagiarized

Being accused of plagiarizing isn’t a joke

[latent edge]

Lol

Plagiarism is a crime

[neat lintel]

Ik

I’m just saying I found it funny how it detected it as AI

[timid bronze]

If you get accused

No need to send it if you have not been accused

[neat lintel]

Speech is so buns

Genuinely have to have 3 people over the age of 16 as my audience

Stupid GE bruh

[timid bronze]

Ik it can be boring but

It is valuable to learn

[neat lintel]

I mean I GUESS

We had to pick a cultural artifact

For the speech

4-6 minutes of length

Speaking

I’m dreading the moment I have to record myself

With my audience

[timid bronze]

😭

[neat lintel]

I was considering dropping the course earlier today

Then I checked that the last day to drop without it appearing on your transcript was yesterday

✌️✌️✌️😭

[timid bronze]

Unless it is causing you a lot of stress, don’t

[neat lintel]

I won’t drop

[wide elk]

hi

im new

trust someoen add ballsdex

[proven rose]

why?

cant be like that hard right

[proven rose]

in 2 years i wanna be studying as a petroleum engineer in canada or usa

i grew up in canada so i most likely will go there

[latent edge]

Petroleum in Canada is great yes

[timid bronze]

I don’t mean it like that

I mean I don’t like the US itself

[timid bronze]

Awe that’s cool

[timid bronze]

When did your semester begin

[neat lintel]

3 weeks ago

[timid bronze]

We are way past the deadline to not get a W on our transcript

Ohh

I started like late Jan

Rn is our only break

[neat lintel]

Ohhh

[timid bronze]

Before we are back to the depths and trenches till summer break

Except this is not a break to me

Assigned 2 quizzes + lab report revision + my paper

🙄

[neat lintel]

✌️😭😭

I’ve got no spring break

We get 2 months of winter break

[timid bronze]

How long was your winter break

Nvm..

Lucky

I heard Canadians get like 2 weeks though

Poor @fresh comet

[neat lintel]

Sounds like a pain

[neat lintel]

I also get bombarded with assignments

Woke up and had 9 die

Due

Wait

No I’m panicking

The assignment is due today

11:59

But it’s locked!?

How the fuck do u want me to turn it in teach

✌️😭

[warm fog]

zeal real

[charred nexus]

Guys, Im confused

Is slope y2-y1/x2-x1

Or is it y=mx+c?
Bc sometimes i see the 1st formula as gradient so im just making sure

[proven rose]

are u in the us just to study or you live there

[proven rose]

awe is crazy

[timid bronze]

I live here

[timid bronze]

Uhh, why 😭

I just used it as an expression

[proven rose]

do you plan on staying in america for ur future work or like outside the country

[timid bronze]

Idk

[proven rose]

🫩

[timid bronze]

If there’s something wrong you can tell me

[proven rose]

no nothings wrong dont worry😭

[proven rose]

a lot of americans study in america for uni then move to a different country for work

they get paid more since yk they studied in american compared to the people in there country

[whole pike]

[frank gull]

Had a stroke trying to read this

[frank gull]

Both r correct ryt

[willow herald]

Both r fine

[spice grotto]

The second is the equation for a line with slope m
The first is the slope of a line passing through (x1,y1) (x2,y2)

In the second case "m" is the slope

Like, if you go on and write the equation for a line passing through (x1,y1) and (x2,y2) (assuming x1≠x2) and rearrange the equation you will end up with y=mx+b with m=(y2-y1)/(x2-x1)

[weary path]

how to get better at Maths??

[rocky shuttle]

read, practice, discuss, repeat

[grim torrent]

[charred nexus]

Ah okk tysm @frank gull @willow herald @spice grotto

[willow herald]

By doing maths
I am not joking bdw, this is the best way to gst better at maths, doing the maths you wanna get better at repeatedly

[weary path]

yes,
what to do?

[rocky shuttle]

read, practice, discuss, repeat

[willow herald]

1. Search abt material online or through books
2. Work on and try to solve problems about said material
3. Talk to others about any questiond you may have and optionally to try to gain a deeper understanding.
4. If you have found any other material while studying that seams useful/interesting, do everything you just did on said material. If not, search for more!

[weary path]

or I could also take some help from a tutor right?

[willow herald]

You don't need to do any of those steps by yourself!

You can always ask for help, I just sublined it in the 3rd step to mention it + I was turning Zan's 4 word advice into 4 steps and that was the best way I saw to extend "discuss"

I infact recommend asking as many questions and getting all the help you can get when ur stuck <3
(Doing things urself is still important tho! Don't let ur tutor solve all ur problems for you for example)

[weary path]

understood 🫡

thank you

[grand onyx]

quote: Pure mathematics is, in its way, the poetry of logical ideas :3

[junior veldt]

i love that phrasing

[lean zealot]

Hey everyone, im in the UK and have considered doing an online A-Levels in maths, however I haven't really done maths for years, im a basic level engineer and I do pick things up well. Im coming to the end of my career so wanted to get some sort of education/qualifications under my belt before going to find a new one.

im just wondering how intense an A-Level in maths is? and what sort of things ill encounter during the course???

[kind cedar]

its not that intense imo, and what you do depends on the exam board, this is an example

[lean zealot]

I was going to look at doing a pure mathematics course. I did want to do maths and physics but I dont think thats an option 😅

But I could consider the mechanics one as that could lean more towards where I could go in my next career.

[neat lintel]

Not precisely, but there is a certain school of thought that believes mathematics is built upon logic. (Logicism. See section 2.1 of the SEP Article)

You would find this as an interesting read for defining what mathematics is:
https://arxiv.org/pdf/math/9404236

There is a field, called Philosophy of Mathematics, that deals with the nature of mathematics (metaphysically and epistemologically):
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/philosophy-mathematics/

[glacial mango]

Oo

[fair herald]

Anyone got plane trigo and plane geo questions?

[icy orbit]

mathemathics favours gifted people

[magic python]

No.

"Gifted" is an inherently harmful term

Many "gifted" people can't learn

[icy orbit]

gifted people have a easier time learning

[magic python]

No, no they don't

[icy orbit]

compared to the average person

[magic python]

They don't learn how to

It seems like they do

But they don't

[icy orbit]

yeah they do because they have better time processing information

[magic python]

Because they are praised for everything for no reason as kids and they never learn how to learn

Maybe if they never get called gifted

But no, treating them as gifted makes it harder for them to do higher level stuff

I wonder if you can guess the automodded word, hmmm

[icy orbit]

but they have high intellegence which makes them learn faster which is why they have a easier life academically

[magic python]

Also, that number doesn't mean anything really, it's a very small part of intelligence

They don't often

[icy orbit]

the mensa test is a highly accruate way to assess intellegence

[magic python]

The term gifted is given to those who seem smart

[icy orbit]

try it out

[magic python]

"Intelligence quotient" is again a very small part of intelligence

[icy orbit]

its given to the people have process information faster and outclass normal people

[magic python]

No it isnt

I was personally labeled as gifted.

[icy orbit]

yes they do you're just coping

[magic python]

I am not better than the regular person

What's next you are gonna tell me "well you just weren't gifted"?

Labeling children as gifted is damaging.

[icy orbit]

im not talking about people getting called gifted im talking about people who actually learn faster and progressed faster academically compared to the average human

[magic python]

Afaik there was a study on this.

[magic python]

That isn't what gifted is used for often by most people

I agree, people who can learn faster, learn faster.

Shocker.

But gifted is a label given to many people who only seem capable of doing said thing

[icy orbit]

well im talking about high intellegence people so yeah

[magic python]

Not just to people who can

[icy orbit]

which is why they have a easier life academically

it sucks to be average when you dont have the genetics

dont it?

[magic python]

I wouldn't know I'm below average.

[icy orbit]

too bad

we have to struggle now

[magic python]

I'm not struggling, I'm not even going to try. I've already been damaged, why damage myself further.

[icy orbit]

struggle to get even get a tiny fraction of what a high intellegence invidual does with ease

[icy orbit]

its over

[magic python]

Yeah I know

I'm not some delusional bitch who thinks they are gonna "make it big"

[icy orbit]

its cope for people to get their hopes up

[magic python]

Yeah, you can be happy with far less than a mansion and 200k a year

[icy orbit]

money buys happiness

[magic python]

Only for some

[icy orbit]

i wish i was financially stable

[magic python]

To some extent it will for me, to a point

[icy orbit]

they can do whatever they want

[icy orbit]

its tough if you're just average so prepare to struggle academically

[magic python]

I'm literally not an average person. I have stated before I am a decent bit below average.

[icy orbit]

well then it might be even tougher for you

[magic python]

[icy orbit]

if only you could shrug off the problems away smh

[magic python]

It's easy if you just delude yourself into saying it doesn't matter and that it's better that way

Actually it isn't a good strategy but eh, better than nothing

[icy orbit]

When someone says its "better" or "doesn’t matter," they are often trying to protect their own ego or sense of fairness in a world that clearly isnt fair.

[magic python]

Could you by any chance explain how ignoring my own problems is egotistical? Or is it ignoring faults you are getting at.

Because I do agree, seeing yourself as inherently better and without faults is egotistical

[icy orbit]

its egotistical when you are pretending a problem doesn't exist, you are choosing your own comfort over the truth.

[magic python]

Pretending a problem doesn't exist and ignoring a problem can be very different, ignoring a problem can also be done unwillingly, as in the case of where you don't know something and say assume it's benign, or don't even realize it is happening.

Pretending a problem doesn't exist requires you first to know that it is indeed a problem, and then choose to tell yourself it isn't real and that it doesn't matter, despite having already known it does.

Ignoring a problem can also be the result of just not being able to detect it

Ignoring a problem can simply be from not realizing, which isn't exactly egotistical

[icy orbit]

if you "unwillingly" ignore a problem because you're too slow to see it, that's not an excuse. it just means you're getting outplayed by people who do see it. They want to act like not knowing is "benign" or innocent but the world doesn't care.

[magic python]

I'd argue thinking your headache is benign is much more common than immediately assuming you need immediate medical attention, even if it lasts multiple days

But if it is actually bad, that'd be classed as ignoring the problem

But like, coughing blood and then ignoring it is pretending it's not a problem

There are very few ways coughing up blood isn't that bad for you

But I can't change your worldview

[icy orbit]

you're below average idk why im even talking to you

[magic python]

Yo guys is that an ad hominem or is that specifically if they said "you sound below average"

Also way to make every single message ableist

Really should give you an award for that ableism and elitism

[icy orbit]

Do you have friends

[magic python]

Depends

What counts as a friend

[fierce elm]

but surely there are people who understand and grasps things way faster than a normal person

[icy orbit]

i assume you've had toxic friends

[magic python]

You could say that about a certain experience, but no

[icy orbit]

you probably have trust issues

[magic python]

Yes, but these are not always those labeled as gifted, that was my argument

[icy orbit]

i wasnt talking about those people you just randomly brought it up

[magic python]

I don't believe so.

Uh are you dumb

You literally opened up with math favoring gifted people

[icy orbit]

i just meant high intellegence invidiuals in general

[magic python]

Then why use gifted, a term with a different and poisoned meaning.

[icy orbit]

you decided to give genius some weird abstract definition

[magic python]

No I never defined genius

I argued that people labeled as gifted are often not what they are portrayed to be

They aren't inherently better

They can be, but they can also be far behind

[icy orbit]

if you peform better academically then the average person i would you say you are doing pretty good

[magic python]

Yes, many people labeled as gifted dont.

I said I agreed people who do indeed learn faster, do better.

But individuals labeled as gifted are not always that.

[icy orbit]

but i wasnt talking about that

[vast wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/umm-uhhh-what-gif-19383908

[magic python]

I feel like we both are gaining nothing from this, we both have our ideas and clearly aren't going to convince the other of ours.

[icy orbit]

so idk what you are trying to say

[icy orbit]

you said you arent better then the average person

[magic python]

Idk maybe you shouldn't have used that term so much then, maybe then I would've been able to know what you really meant

[icy orbit]

gaslighting

[magic python]

So because I'm below average I should be easily suggestible?

[icy orbit]

you're prob a narcissist lol

[magic python]

Narcissism??? Doesn't that require me to view myself as greater?

[icy orbit]

you doubt yourself at the same time you speak so highly of yourself

[magic python]

I don't speak highly of myself.

Please show me where it came off as that.

(I know, I need something to do jen.)

[vast wraith]

😭

[icy orbit]

you cant handle criticism it is very apparent to see

narcissist arent good at handling criticism either

[magic python]

I am trying to see your side

Another attack at my character, wow.

[icy orbit]

you're being indenial

[fierce elm]

https://klipy.com/gifs/lindsey-buckingham-lindsey-buckingham-cat

[magic python]

In denial on what, that I have my own opinions that I've been hurt by society?

[icy orbit]

narcissism could be someone who sees themselves as a victim as well

its called narcissistic victim syndrome

[magic python]

That would imply im actually competent if I were a professional victim.

I am admitting I am stupid.

And that the label of gifted has hurt me.

[icy orbit]

you just want attention

[magic python]

How is that seeing myself as a victim

[icy orbit]

you want people to empathize with you as if you were a little baby

[magic python]

Uh no?

I directly reject most forms of empathy.

Ask most users who often interact with me.

Sorry im not the delusional bitch you thought I was sir

[neat lintel]

U jus wan attetion u dont want my heart

[icy orbit]

you listed off all your problems like we would care

[magic python]

Uh it was literally in context

[icy orbit]

you went on about how people called you a genius

[magic python]

I was giving an example of how the gifted label can cause harm

I said they called me gifted when I was doing the most basic stuff.

[neat lintel]

I agree she just wants attention she is definitely not a Car

[icy orbit]

by bringing up yourself

[magic python]

When i am not

[magic python]

Yeah because I'm not anybody else how would I know another example

[magic python]

I am so a car!

[icy orbit]

its a meaningless anecdotal experience where you stay at the center of the conversation

[magic python]

Okay well I didn't want to ping someone who actually has better arguments, God forbid

Fine. I'm wrong. How about that.

[icy orbit]

play victim

[magic python]

Uh how would I be a victim here..?

You clearly are implying im wrong, so I must be wrong, no?

[icy orbit]

attenton seeking

[magic python]

If I was attention seeking, wouldn't I more want to, I don't know, not admit I'm wrong and that you are right? Wouldn't I want to keep this going to get more attention?

[icy orbit]

well you're still talking about yourself and giving this victim narrative, constantly talking about yourself so yeah.

[magic python]

So, why keep interacting with me?

Clearly I'm wrong

What is the point of continuing if you know im wrong and you are right

[visual palm]

can confirm, i have 4 slurs stored for her

[magic python]

Indeed

[visual palm]

yuh same

[magic python]

It could even be 8 if we each have a seperate set of 4 slurs to call me...

[visual palm]

i hated it, people who worked harder than me but scored lower grades being ignored

[visual palm]

maybe if i get to know u, ill have some more

[magic python]

True true

[visual palm]

dude how long is ur argument with him wtf

i keep scrolling and scrolling

[icy orbit]

Do you have a absent father JW

[magic python]

[magic python]

What's JW

[icy orbit]

Just wondering

[magic python]

I don't have "daddy issues" if that's what you are trying to say.

[visual palm]

i wouldnt say its harmful, thats stretching it a bit

[magic python]

It has been very bad for many

[visual palm]

but it did boost my overconfidence

[magic python]

Some can't learn properly because they were babied

[visual palm]

ykw i might actually agree here

some people do learn easier

[magic python]

I agree some do

[visual palm]

the gifted label is bs

[magic python]

But gifted is a term given to anybody who seems to do well

[visual palm]

noones gifted from birth

[fierce elm]

can be, people have high expectations from gifted kids

[visual palm]

its probably just that theyve been brought up to learn easier, be more perceptive, think deeper

[magic python]

Many have

[visual palm]

yeah thats just bollocks

[magic python]

But the term gifted also is on many who don't

[icy orbit]

It's why life isn't even fair

[visual palm]

i dont think thats ur problem dude

i sense a glaring elephant in the room

[magic python]

I guess it's over now, nobody has changed their opinions, and no major attacks or threats were made

[visual palm]

bro what

[icy orbit]

Intelligence is like 50%-80% genetics

[magic python]

So it was somewhat productive

[fierce elm]

well i agree with that some people do have it easier but saying life is unfair just sounds like cope

[visual palm]

lol no

[merry hull]

nuh

[visual palm]

my dads got an mtech, my mums got a masters in maths and i suck at studying

[visual palm]

😭

[icy orbit]

Well it plays a substantial role nonetheless

If you have smart parents then you're lucky

[visual palm]

ofc it does, ur happier in a mansion than on the streets, but saying money buys happiness is peak 14 yr old behaviour

idk why im being ragebaited

[merry hull]

not 14 but 17 maybe

[visual palm]

wait srry thought u were replying to the money thing

[icy orbit]

It isn't tho because you'll be financially stable and that makes life easier. You could spend money on whatever if you want as well.

[visual palm]

im 17 dont do me like that 😭

[merry hull]

and im 16 so idc

[visual palm]

easier, yes, but not necessarily happier

[visual palm]

i had my money is eveything phase at 14

[idle copper]

Hi

[merry hull]

i joined this discord for a cool MATH badge next to my username

[visual palm]

mines better

[icy orbit]

Average intelligence people can get good degrees and jobs as well but they have to try much harder then someone with a higher intelligence, who learn faster and just perform better overall

[icy orbit]

I would be happy if my kids grew up without worrying about money

Rich people live a easy and happy life and I wish I could trade places with them

[icy orbit]

But you're still below average 😞

[magic python]

Yeah a single conversation physically can't change that

[icy orbit]

Do you get sad knowing this realisation

[magic python]

Why would I get sad knowing I am with 50% of people.

Besides, why would I be sad over how smart I am?

[icy orbit]

Well you would have a easier life

[magic python]

Eh not with my mental conditions

I'd rather manage them then strive for something I don't really care about

[worldly horizon]

How the hell do you have false.

[icy orbit]

Some people don't have to worry about those problems

[magic python]

And some people do

[fallen mango]

hi

[magic python]

Ello welcome to #serious-discussion

A channel that changes less often than #discussion

[fallen mango]

i have been trying o reach you, you didnt respond to my dm

[icy orbit]

No matter where you are win life someone is probably experiencing the same thing but it doesn't undermine how unfair life is

[magic python]

I don't respond to dms 3:

[fallen mango]

ok

[icy orbit]

People live a easier life because they were lucky and you weren't and now you have to suffer for it

[magic python]

I never claimed life is fair

In fact, I remember even going on and claiming society isn't fair

But oh well, I guess my stance is that life is fair now, since you would remember better than me.

[icy orbit]

Stop trying to be right all time just grasp the fact that you have so many problem to deal with rn

[magic python]

I have literally said I was wrong

I am not trying to claim my view is better than yours

But since I am the poor mentally ill narcissist, I should agree with what you say I said, because if I say it's what I think I said I'm gaslighting you.

[icy orbit]

I don't care who is wrong and who is right

You care about it too much

It's sad how sensitive you are

[magic python]

I honestly don't care how right I am

[icy orbit]

But you do because you keep bringing it up

[magic python]

It was more the discussion itself I engaged with rather than the actual points

[magic python]

You reengaged after I tried to slowly back out so I guess it's me who brought it up

[lethal sphinx]

hii guys

[magic python]

Ello, welcome.

[lethal sphinx]

what are you guys chatting about

[magic python]

How the world is unfair it sounds like

Either that or it's still on how high intelligence makes you inherently good at math

[lethal sphinx]

ok

[lethal sphinx]

fr

[icy orbit]

You keep bringing it up and then when I bring up how you keep bringing it up you say I bring it up, oh the gaslighting.

[magic python]

Alright, so is it over now then?

Since I'm clearly gaslighting you you should just stop interacting I believe

[icy orbit]

Well if you stop trying to act like a victim then yes

[icy orbit]

Well you aren't a very good person to be around so I suppose I should

[magic python]

The victim to what

[magic python]

Fair

[stark trench]

Hello, Metaphysical Cat.

[icy orbit]

Are you above average in weight?

Jw

[magic python]

How would that affect my intelligence or whether or not I am actually a victim.

[icy orbit]

So I'm guessing you are

Sometimes I get these signals

[night pumice]

corny as hell

[magic python]

What else can you tell about me

[visual palm]

Why did u argue for so long lol

[icy orbit]

Because it would mean she is wrong

[magic python]

Because I was wanting to get more information on their point

[visual palm]

I was gone for long 30 mins, i come back and the arguments atill going

Its obv ragebait

[magic python]

Even if it was it is something to do

[icy orbit]

As long as she is the center of attention she's fine with it

[visual palm]

How do u have this much time 😭

I might be getting a 5th one now

[magic python]

I can't say anything without being called a narcissistic professional victim so I'll just say I have my methods

[magic python]

So if I'm attention seeking and playing the victim, why give me the light of day

[lapis edge]

Hi guyz

[visual palm]

Helloooo

Hruuu

[icy orbit]

Because you need help? Are you meeting a therapist?

[lapis edge]

nice, So How is Life

[magic python]

Why do you care about my health, you seem to already know it about me

[visual palm]

Im hungry

[icy orbit]

So you are

Whenever you get defensive it gives me a clue

Haha

[magic python]

Maybe i am maybe I am not

[icy orbit]

Does the therapist have a therapist?

[magic python]

Maybe the therapist that may or may not exist has a therapist

[icy orbit]

But you have mental conditions

You need help

[magic python]

And that could mean anything

There are some minor mental conditions

[icy orbit]

Give me an example

[magic python]

And many that are on a spectrum

[icy orbit]

So you're autistic

[magic python]

Dude autism is not the only disorder that has a spectrum😭

Basically any disorder can range vastly

[icy orbit]

ADHD

Everyone likes to say they have ti

[magic python]

What are you trying to accomplish with knowing what's wrong with me?

[timid bronze]

#serious-discussion message #serious-discussion message #serious-discussion message #serious-discussion message #serious-discussion message #serious-discussion message #serious-discussion message #serious-discussion message <@&268886789983436800> get a load of this guy

[magic python]

Just say I have FDIS, malingering, or somatization disorder and discredit all my other supposed ones

[magic python]

Also, I should get a mute as well for evading filter

Guess those screenshots aren't going to modmail anymore then

[sour jay]

you do not snitch on yourself ❌

[silent junco]

@icy orbit stop antagonizing users and discussing iq. ive given you a few hours off to reflect

[magic python]

I deserve to be treated accordingly with the rulss

[wild lantern]

Seems like they kinda started this convo themself?

[wild lantern]

U fed the troll. Don't be dumb.

Anywho

[magic python]

I know?

[wild lantern]

Ngl idk anybody who does real math that sits around thinking about this shit too hard.

[magic python]

I was saying to also give me a mute for that as well though

[wild lantern]

Hint hint: I am telling you this is enough so move on.

[magic python]

Alright let's get some math in this channel then

[timid bronze]

They pulled some statistic saying how much your intelligence is made from your genes out of their ass

😭

[wild lantern]

How about you statistic a likeable personality?

(Not you specifically)

[timid bronze]

Lance has 0%

[wild lantern]

Poor lance

[steep mountain]

This is true

[magic python]

All mods except lance have 100%

I have proof

[timid bronze]

@thorn wren

[steep mountain]

This is false

[magic python]

Okay maybe excluding a few I haven't met

[wild lantern]

What if you like to wear slacks more than jeans? Can you still do math?

[steep mountain]

I hate jeans

[magic python]

Yes because nerds can't wear jeans

[steep mountain]

most uncomfortable shit to wear, stopped doing it completely severals years ago

so much more comfy stuff

also cuter

[wild lantern]

Aw i do actually wear jeans most days tbh

Jeans are super comfy when they fit right

[sour jay]

Jeans have a weird texture

[wild lantern]

But since they're kinda tougher material than other stuff getting a good fit is harder

[steep mountain]

yeah exactly the issue

[lilac fossil]

i only use jeans

they make me feel protected

wish I could use steel plates and shit like that

[barren anchor]

we talkin about jeans

I like that as they get more comfortable they get more like a hard wind will knock a hole in them

[livid lion]

IS there a source channel

[barren anchor]

the ultimate jeans are 100% cotton and 20oz

and feel like trash for 20 years

almost like they could just hold you up if your legs failed u

[fast pawn]

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Is it a right choice to learn mathematics to become a mathematician in this AI age? I want to become a mathematician, but I am worried that AI might take over my job.

[worn nest]

prediction machine can't take over thinking

just because it can solve problems doesn't imply that it's sentient lol

[barren anchor]

yeah I mean people say that a lot. It's genuinely a period of disruptive technology

[random flicker]

it is impossible to know what will happen in the future. Regardless it is still useful to learn mathematics

[barren anchor]

we don't know. Technically it seems like it's missing things, in practice it can do a lot.

[worn nest]

try making it solve unsolved problems

[open jungle]

it's done that already

[barren anchor]

it creates new solutions routinely

[open jungle]

erdos problems

[worn nest]

okay, can it solve problems that are pretty popular? i.e the collatz conjecture

how would it know that it's correct

[open jungle]

holy moving goalposts

[worn nest]

not really

it solving an erdos problem doesn't change it being a prediction machine

[barren anchor]

It's essentially going to become a societal problem so don't worry about it

[open jungle]

can you solve collatz?

[worn nest]

????

where r u taking this buddy lol

[open jungle]

guess you're not sentient then

[barren anchor]

like it's not gonna be solved at the level of you learning some other math or science or language

it's gonna be solved at the problem of revolution or governmental regulation or cultural change

like hey buy my shitty car, it costs 30x as much but it was designed, engineered and built by human brains

[jade reef]

Nah if you know about the four fours challenge, if you ask ai about it, its responses are actually so comical

[static spruce]

please can someone help me

[barren anchor]

yeah whatever. There are plenty of naysayers but theory and money are increasingly in agreement.

[static spruce]

i need trig handout

[barren anchor]

google trig handout

[lilac fossil]

what job?

[lilac fossil]

this imply that we need new designs

[true zinc]

@cinder zephyr excuse the ping, but AFAIK you are somewhat interested in algebraic complexity theory right? Has there been any texts in the field since Burgisser's Algebraic Complexity Theory and Completeness and reduction in algebraic complexity theory?

Is it a dead field? Do people still study it? Or are results just scattered half way to hell and back across the literature?

[true zinc]

Also, related, how alive or dead is GCT right now, at-least of what I've read online through MO or past conversations on the topic in this server, the general consensus seems to be that it's either moving very slowly or that a lot isn't happening in it(?)

[hot lion]

If AI does change the world of math, it will be in the hands of talented mathematicians, not replacing them

Maybe, maybe not

there's no shortage of math out there to do

if anything AI would allow us to do more math, not less

With the current strength of AI I feel fairly confident that AI will be strong enough eventually to fundamentally change how people do math, but I think that a breakthrough would be required for AI to replace mathematicians

[rotund cypress]

I know that I am not part of this conversation, but I would also like to add to the fact that it's also difficult for AI to do advanced mathematics. It gets stuff wrong quite often when it comes to advanced mathematics with large numbers. Graphs especially. Sometimes I like to check and see if it can solve any questions that includes graphs. Oftentimes it cannot. As it gets it wrong. Especially when asked what the possible result may be.

Like for example. I had a wavelength question. I already knew the answer to it. But I wanted to see if AI could get it. There was a wavelength graph with multiple other graphs as answer choices. The question itself was somewhere along the lines of "if these two wavelengths collided, then what would the result graph look like." The answer was completely wrong. It was off by so much

It's the same with graphs in economics. AI generally doesn't know how to handle advanced graphs that well which is quite essential in any form of advanced math

[jagged forge]

well graphs (i assume you mean like plots of function graphs) are outside of the usual things LLM’s are good at

gemini seems to be the leader in multimodal capabilities but you can kinda tell it still kinda perceives images and videos in a wishy-washy way

[rotund cypress]

I meant all graphs in general. Not any specific type of graph

[jagged forge]

well it didn’t sound like you’re talking about graph theory

point is LLM’s dont handle images well so i dont find this to be very surprising

a lot of advanced math can be done purely symbolically, dare i say even most

[strong kernel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqwC41RDPyg&list=RDuqwC41RDPyg&start_radio=1

[timid bronze]

Yeah they don’t handle images very well so don’t upload your computer on there and ask it to fix it.

[jagged forge]

hey it actually did a good job at that

[timid bronze]

You should ask it for beer cheese recipes since you love the two so much

[jagged forge]

ok like yes it gets the gist right fairly often but if you ask it for specific details it makes shit up sometimes

when it comes to images

[latent edge]

Shout out to that one time I sent a food photo and it got flagged as NSFW

[jagged forge]

lmao

[timid bronze]

WHAT 😭

[jagged forge]

must have been some egregiously good food

[timid bronze]

True LMAO

[latent edge]

lmao