#serious-discussion
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so that's what you did to compute 3.82?
yeah
\[L \approx \frac{\pi}{6} \parens*{\sqrt{1 + \cos(0)^2} + 4 \sqrt{1 + \cos(\pi / 2)^2} + \sqrt{1 + \cos(\pi)^2}}\]
is this correct?
Zan (鹿乃 #1 Fan) ❀
,w (pi / 6) * (sqrt(1 + cos(0)^2) + 4 * sqrt(1 + cos(pi / 2)^2) + sqrt(1 + cos(pi)^2))
hmm, what i got is about 3.58, did i make a mistake?
nope
\begin{align*}
L &\approx \frac{\pi}{6} \parens*{\sqrt{1 + \cos(0)^2} + 4 \sqrt{1 + \cos(\pi / 2)^2} + \sqrt{1 + \cos(\pi)^2}} \\
&= \frac{\pi}{6} \parens*{\sqrt{1 + 1^2} + 4 \sqrt{1 + 0^2} + \sqrt{1 + 1^2}} \\
&= \frac{\pi}{6} \parens*{4 + 2\sqrt{2}}
\end{align*}
Zan (鹿乃 #1 Fan) ❀
your method is okay,
but that's not what you got
you are right, but using only 2 intervals slightly underestimates the arc length
To get closer to the real arc length, increase the number of subintervals
how many subintervals did you use?
4
,w (pi / 12) * (sqrt(1 + cos(0)^2) + 4 * sqrt(1 + cos(pi / 4)^2) + 2 sqrt(1 + cos(pi / 2)^2) + 4 * sqrt(1 + cos(3 * pi / 4)^2) + sqrt(1 + cos(pi)^2))
good
you are very exactly person
n = 2 → L ≈ 3.57 (underestimate)
n = 4 → L ≈ 3.66
n = 10 → L ≈ 3.77
n = 100 → L ≈ 3.8197 → rounds to 3.82
hmm, that's a lot to compute
This is a known number.
only we can compute using program
do u have experienced the Matlab
using that, it's easy to compute all of maths compute
oh, i made a mistake, now it's closer to 3.82
but still different from what you got
yeah, it's only approximate value
thanks, you are right, this is sufficient
you have learned convergence don't u?
but i actually wanted to know how to compute the exact value
yes
this integral looks simple, but i have no idea which technique i can use to compute it
it's elliptic integral, so we can't get the exact value.
with elemantary method
@rocky shuttle , understand?
no, i don't, sorry, can you please elaborate?
this is the error term for simpson's rule, it sure converges fast
yeah, what do u wanna know?
what you mean by this
what is an elliptic integral?
Elementary functions = polynomials, exponentials, logs, trig functions, and combinations of them
Elliptic integrals cannot be expressed exactly using only these functions
yeah, i understand what elementary functions are, but how is an elliptic integral defined?
and how do you know this is one
@near crypt i have to go now, but thanks for your help and for your time! i'd love to discuss more next time if you're up for it
welcome to the mathcord server btw, i didn't realize that you just joined today
Thanks for your review, I expect next time
When you try to troll but end up arguing with a bot for an hour.
freshman's dream is valid in finite fields F_p for exponent p
more broadly in commutative rings of characteristic p (p prime)
epsilon is not the error term
Serious question, how do you hand-write rho so it doesn't look like p and confuse yourself? Same as nu vs v and eta vs n or even h?
For rho, do you curl the tail to the left or to the right?
Right
p for me has a top left nub
rho does not, its a circle with a line connected only below, doesnt go above
i don't. i just use better letters
this is important in fluid dynamics where p means pressure and rho means density, though many would suggest using capital P for pressure
I also write p in two strokes, but I never gave it a serif like that, so I curl the tail of my rho instead
exactly
my etas dont really look anything like my ns or hs. they have a long tail. my nu's are more rounded
at first I was annoyed that the lecture uses u for velocity, but soon realised that since nu is kinematic viscosity, it's nice that velocity is not v
oh oops
my bad, thought it hasn't been answered
Im currently studying it since I have exam on it tomorrow
how yall preparing for boards tho im icse btw😭
I do the second one the other way round
It's ok, but I'm still surprised that neither of you took the curly tail path
I am not about to mistake my rho for a q or a g lolz
I do curl the tail to the left in my own hand writing, while \varrho does the opposite
\[\varrho\]
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Why are my DMs full of girls flirting 😭 I’m crying… respectfully, where are the big boys??
I mostly see women annoyed about unwanted attention from men, this is an interesting twist.
I haven't seen you in a hot minute
Bonjour
I thought this was the calculus channel
I never thought I'd step foot in discussion
Vacuously, because it's dead /s
Indeed, piss and quiet
Are you a girl
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Hi
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What is your origin?
Philippines
Are you a student?
Yes
12 grade currently struggling about trig identities
wow, really? I can help you with that.
That would be great
I struggle with algebra and working with fractions
Tell me your problem.
Solution to cot(x)/cos(x) = cos(x)
Step 1: Rewrite cot(x) in terms of sine and cosine.
cot(x) = cos(x) / sin(x)
Step 2: Substitute into the equation.
(cos(x)/sin(x)) / cos(x) = cos(x)
Step 3: Simplify.
1/sin(x) = cos(x)
Step 4: Multiply both sides by sin(x).
1 = sin(x)cos(x)
Step 5: Use identity sin(x)cos(x) = (1/2)sin(2x).
(1/2)sin(2x) = 1
sin(2x) = 2
Since sine values must be between -1 and 1, sin(2x) = 2 is impossible.
Therefore, there is no real solution.
okay?
uhm
hi
uhm... i need help with a math problem
PQRS is a rhombus. If PR^2 + QS^2 = kPQ^2, determine k
This strikes me as you having used AI to answer this
just for future reference, the usage of AI to answer other people's problems isn't something we approve of here!
Hey; give #❓how-to-get-help a quick read! 
Speaking of AI, does anyone have a stance on the future of mathematics utilizing LLMs, in such a level of co-authoring them?
I wouldn't with an LLM but computer aided proofs have existed for years
Because an LLM is inherently bad for this, you'd want something capable of using logic and not predicting the next step, which we do have sorta, so yeah, I feel like AI could be utilized, just not the AI most people mean when they say AI
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Daniel Litt is a professor of mathematics at the University of Toronto. He has been a careful observer of AI’s progress toward accelerating mathematical discovery, sometimes skeptical and sometimes enthusiastic.
Topics we cover: the hardest problems models can solve today, whether there is convincing evidence that AI is speeding up math rese...
listen to my PhD advisor speak about this issue
lots of good takes
LLMs are not entirely useless for mathematics but they have very imbalanced capabilities, they are good at some things and completely useless at others
they definitely become more useful when combined with other tools like computer proof assistants
personally i dont really like the idea tbh
although i dont really get to have an opinion on this yet
yeah I mean ultimately the issue is whether these tools will be more convenient than not using them
currently this isn't the case and the sorts of time savings are not so good for most tasks
of course it would be really great if these tools could ultimately speed up the process of writing really detailed boring proofs which are not so conceptually clarifying
currently these tools are sometimes able to help find valid proofs of certain hard problems, Tao has lots to say about this sort of thing which is much more optimistic than what most people have to say about the use of LLMs in mathematics
but like these tools are really only good with things appearing in training data
for lots of areas of research where new definitions are being made all the time, these tools are basically useless for reasoning about such things
Holy wall of text
Hey yall
I agree with the sentiment of using LLMs as an efficient search tool on related academic papers that follows a set of instructions. It will really save time for a lot of academics and students (me too 😭)
It seems he’s against the idea of LLMs having more value than mathematicians. That question on the millennium problems tho, I also agree it’s far stretched to assume AI will be able to solve them within decades with the slow progress of LLMs rn..
Quite an interview!! I haven’t thought about the cost to do a problem with a mathematician vs training LLMs to do that problem.
//as usual, bots/AI glazers are taking over the comments section
oh yeah I really don't think it will happen that these tools will replace the role of mathematicians
like it's worth remembering what the actual job and value of mathematicians is
Yeah I’ve seen his interview before new year and it’s the reason why I brought up the question
if you think the only job of research mathematicians is to produce true statements, then yes maybe there is some worry that AI tools become better at this game in certain domains
this isn't the only job of research mathematicians though, neither is it really the most important job
like suppose you had some machine that would just instantly decide the truth value of any mathematical statement you give it (ignoring obvious issues of computability)
I think, currently, institutions (Well, at least to the institutions I worked with) are still kinda allergic to the use of LLMs when it comes to their research.
The academic community still hasn’t accepted it so it does make sense that these institutions will follow.
I don't think this machine would necessarily be so useful for a lot of important things
Eulers number - (1+9^-4^6*7)^3^2^85 ≈ 10^(-10^25.3)
Is Daniel litt ur PhD advisor
Hey
Brutal
That sucks I’m sorry to hear
How are you
he was yes
I was his first PhD student in fact

I’m doing well although I’m super busy now
twitter advisor
What happened to your Toronto roommate academic brother
he graduated and probably postdocs somewhere
nice nice man
Oh sorry that was from like 4 hours ago
oh yeah when I hosted a friend for a few days on an air mattress in the empty space near the kitchen he woke up to make breakfast and didn't want to be rude by waking up my friend so he was incredibly weird about it and cooked breakfast in slow motion trying to avoid making the slightest noise
but like my friend was awake by that point and was trying not to crack up while waiting to see how long this would go on for
oh noooo
Hi guys I have an interview for a collaborative doctoral training role in mathematical modelling. It's in 30 minutes. Any advice?
Some days I feel I took the wrong major, while most of the times I feel I can understand it except at some places
web browsers are not fast

Busy is good
Maybe yours isn't
If you think browsing the web is slow, try compiling Firefox from scratch on a fresh install of gentoo
congrats!
Spawns out of nowhere whenever GMT is mentioned

How do I make an integrand on a TI-89 Titanium calculator?
i asked thge prof if he does the other branch of GMT
he said nope
apparently they love it in finland though
there's another branch of GMT?
hello higher 💖
yeah the whole "generalizing submanifold theory" stuff with varifolds and currents
thats what my course was focused on
I see, interesting!
not so much in depth on hausdorff dimensions and whatnot
hello Daisy 
what brings you to #serious-discussion? 
real
I spotted you here when I clicked the server
so helloooo haha
icic, it’s not at all often I see you outside of the main discussion channel 
LMAO yes that's my yappity channel
this looks very mathy
eh, discussion-2 isn’t so math focused either 
the bar is just on the floor if your reference point is discussion 


honestly quite incredible
real
This is real math, done by real mathematicians
They have played us for absolute fools
How am I supposed to feel when I just joined the server and this is the first thing I see? 
Excited, joyful, motivated
Im having a hard time solving this and AIs intepret this differently. It's not for my homework or anything I'm literally in uni 2 lol but this is something I learned in the past but forgot and need help at it:
x−12+x+23=(x−1)(x+2)5x+1
anyone interested in showing me how to solve this?
Just a hint, have you combined like terms on the left?
Great then what do you get on the right side when you multiply everything out?
Im not sure how to do the right side, I forgot what there was hidden in between the brackets
like plus/minus or div/multi
Okay so you do (x-1)(x + 2). For any thing where you have brackets like this: (x-a)(x+b) = x^2 +bx -ax -ab
Do you see how to do that?
hmm let me try one second
If you need help I think it’s called FOIL, I’d search it up online
like this?
x^2 + 2x - x + 1
The last term should be -2, but everything else is right
Now simplify all your terms, add stuff up and whatnot
oh okay
so I got down to 2 = x^2 + 3x
in total, 2x + 11 = x^2 + 2x - x - 2
11 = x^2 + 3x + 9
2 = x^2 + 3x
Not quite
So you should after what we did together have :
2x + 11 = (x^2 + x - 2)5x +1
oh.... omg I forgot that hahaha
thank you for correcting, I'll try again
so I got:
2x + 11 = (x^2 + x - 2)5x +1
11 = (x^2 + 3x - 2) 5x+1
11 = x^2 + 8x - 1
10 = x^2 + 8x
@dawn cedar is this the correct way
Distribute the 5x;
2x + 11 = 5x^3 + 5x^2 -10x + 1
Then subtract
My hint is to get the left side to equal 0
Okay let me try
got 5x^3 + 5x^2 - 8x - 10 = 0
@dawn cedar how do I continue from here?
How did you get -8x?
so how do we do that professor
Although this one isn’t fun
We have some sign issues here
Let me look at what we did wrong
Okayy
it's too bad that I can't share pictures here
I was going to send the picture of my whiteboard
That’s alright
Uh I recommend searching methods to solved cubics
This one isn’t super nice like I thought it would be haha
what do you think would the answer be?
Well there’s 3 answers for x since it’s degree 3
hmm
maybe the teacher gave us this wrong?
Let's just assume that the teacher intepreted this wrong, or gave us this without thinking on top of his head
I don't want to waste your time
but you've been helpful so thank you so much
Nono it’s doable, I’ll just be honest I haven’t solved cubics in awhile
I don’t remember all the methods haha
anyone know why wolfram cant recognize my uploaded image?

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tldr strategy board games
similar to chess hence why #chess-go-shogi is one channel
Greatest hunter hunter battle was over a shogi match

anyone interested in learning math in a chronological flavor ? to understand why and how not just how
i'm currently reading Euclid Elements Books rn , if anyone interested DM me
i was already reading boyer's history of math but it was shallow , I just thought of why not studying math through history with reading modern alternatives or even reading the original translation to really know how math itself evolved
they are great but nah to be honest i prefer my way of learning
Guys who is good in geomatry
X-12 + X + 23 = (X - 1)(X + 2)(5x + 1)
First thing you do is combine like terms (the same terms)
He showed you:
2X + 11 = (X - 1)(X + 2)(5X + 1)
Now you have to use something called the distributive property,
For (X - 1)(X + 2). See the first X? (X - 1)?
Multiply that X by each content in the other parentheses which is (X + 2).
So X multiplied by X, plus X multiplied by 2. That gives you X(X) = X^2, X(2) = 2X.
So you have X^2 + 2X. Now see the second term?: (X - 1), now you need to multiply that by X, so -1(X) = -X (-1x is unnecessary), and -1(2) =-2. So you have -X - 2.
So now add those two results:
X^2 + 2X
- X - 2.
That gives us, X^2 - X - 2.
Multiply the same with the last parentheses
That’s how you do distribution.
Hi, just seeing your response thank you. I'll be trying again right away with your solution
Something came up, I'll be doing this later will definitely ping you once I have done it
Do we get help in maths problems?
Yes, go to #1021175428326633542
I'm back with the subject of crappy greek letter variables (I'm doing fluid mechanics, okay), anyone else gives up learning to write xi?
I'm fully just writing a quarter break from musical notation and pretend that that's xi
Lowkey
The binomular isotopes present in the nucleonic field can not be represented in the radon format
It's too rampant to cleologically contain in 5 dimensions alone. We need to observe the space between those variables and astronomically plot the mobius continuum in all key measures of existence if we WISH to expand the frontiers of physics
@regal wolf we don't allow surveys on this server.
oh my bad
Also trying to ping everyone in a server with a quarter million people is breathtakingly rude, fortunately we have that disabled.
Yeahyeah, it shows that its not enabled; doesn't hurt to try tho lol
@quick beacon how many hours should be studied daily without internet?
what wait what happened to 11
i have a friend in uni with md and she's been in and out of the hospital during the start of the semester due to some issues, all but one of the professors accepted to have her present online
the one prof who didn't said that they weren't socializing if they were attending online
?? it's a writing class sybau 🥀🥀🥀
I am following the book "introduction to mechanics" by Kleppner and Kolenkow.
Just started.
I downloaded some solution manual from Google , but i doubt whether the solutions in them are correct.
Can u suggest some source , from where I can check my answers or where I can see solutions of needed
Iunno, depends on what you have going on in your life. If this is independent study in your free time, I find that concentrating more than a few hours, like really concentrating, tends to wear me out, and I have to step away otherwise I just spin my wheels.
well I had a bad experience of a 24-hour marathon before
0/10 wouldn't recommend
a post just popped up from oxford maths lol

<@&268886789983436800> here too
I found the solution manual on google, the one you're probably using. On a cursory glance, the problems in chapter 1 up to 1.11 are all maths problems, so I'm sure the kind people here can help you with them if you have questions. The solutions to problems 1.15 to 1.21 seem legit though. Keep in mind, I didn't calculate them, this all just based on how they look and some standard formulas
For chapter 2, it seems like the whole chapter is about F=ma and actio = reactio, so you have to get comfortable with drawing free-body diagrams. I'd love to work through the book with you, but I have an exams marathon until the end of March 😭
Hey guys. I am currently reading the book Higher Algebra by Hall and Knight and the first 3 chapters are boring as hell but they do have some intersting stuff. Can someone tell me how I can skip the boring stuff and find the interesting stuff only without wasting any time?
You don’t
Physics people use the darndest notations, ugh. I blame Newton. x(dot) is velocity (c) and x(dotdot) is acceleration. Physics notations are as bad as diagrams made by chemists
Hello
Bruh...
Every HS student ever
If they're that boring, I'm sure you can go through them quickly
It's like wanting to play jazz trumpet without learning first learning scales and metric 😅 what do you want to hear?
The thing is my bollocks of a brain usually reads the intro chapters, leaves the book for months and coming back to it I remember like 80% but my OCD NEEDS me to figure out the rest of the 20%, but I hate going through things I already know.
x^4 - 10x^3 + 35x^2 - 50x + 24 = 0
Any One can solve it
i need to come up with a hard maths question with a 3 digit answer, because it's my friend's birthday and he really likes maths, so I wanna come up with a question that he can solve. Could anyone help me?
Hello guys can anybody recommend me websites that take latex input and output the rendered version immediately .. like quick copy paste
thanks
@obtuse jasper welcome to Mathcord, new nerd. Enjoy your stay!
$x^4 - 10x^3 + 35x^2 - 50x + 24 = 0$
MikeP25
&x=5
How can an ordinary person solve that using a hand??

five?
,w 96 * 67 + 7
I only used a hand for this

ok

ok
drug
Same when i looked at my tst
No no
oh
I quit after grade 5 or 6- nvr got further from state lvl
better luck next time ig
Yeh mate- keep trying
Hello! New here. Would this be an appropriate place to get some tips on dealing with dyscalculia as an adult? Or directions on where to go for help?
We (we're a system, so we're referring to ourselves as a group) need to study in preparation for college math placement. We'd like to not have to take a bunch of non-credited courses if we can just study, take the one course, then be done with it.
We have resources, like Khan Academy and Cool Math, but structuring our studying is a big issue. Would love studying tips.
Hello! I don't have dyscalculia, but I've known people who have it.
I have a disability as well (which is now part of ASD), and what I do is I study everyday on Khan Academy. I do at least one lesson each day.
This depends on the college, but for me, I studied college algebra and trigonometry. Judging from my experience, you might want to get the hang of radicals, exponents, sin/cos/tan, etc.
carrot over a variable? what do you pronounce it as?
I didn’t include it I didn’t do the full pronlem.
My course goal is "Math In Society":
Applies mathematics to contemporary issues. Topics include networks, scheduling, data analysis, and may also include voting methods, linear programming, game theory, growth and decay, or fair division problems. Designed for liberal arts students.
Been a long time since I've done radicals and exponents. Think it was one of the last things I learned before being freed from math until now. Looking at my game plan, it seems like I'll need to be starting from pre-algebra.
Will work on a schedule. This is 😬 gonna be rough. Hoping once I get a plan down I can then get help from tutors with maximizing the effects.
The biggest issue is trying to think of how to work around my disabilities, since I've tried "study a lot" for most of my academic life.
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thanks
â would be a hat
hi gravels
W tag
please stop spamming this invite.
Just ban bruh
Anyone?!
nobody
Cool
do you like the greek alphabet
does being greek give an advantahge
where ar e u from
I guess they can be confused between greek and maths 
India
nice
I have no problem with the concept that you are taking about .
It's the solutions.
Some of the methods seemed ambiguous
You too
You can ask in #real-complex-analysis maybe, people will redirect you if there is a need


this was from the past right 
yes its not for now im better in math math
algebra please stop making us find your x get over it already.
8th grade and doing PDEs huh
Pretty difficult equations
congrats on VA
I don't know if it's something to be congratulated about haha
But thanks
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To make it worse I only use the discussion channels so its really chronically online...
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i have a question
do geometric proofs piss u off or not
personally i feel they are torture
I think they look cool
geometric proofs fucked me up during a math exam
i got everything in the algebra section correct
then came that shit
depends on what kind of geometry
analytic geometry and compass/straightedge stuff pmo
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i like all kinds of geometry 
I dislike geometry
Proof that geometric constructions can solve all love affairs
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eulers ?
@rocky shuttle @bronze pelican
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Someone use feymann technique ?
Do you guys use classic mathematics or stupid Feynman diagrams
Feynman diagrams is a shortcut and such a gay thing
@brave crow what do you think?
I didn’t learn pure maths
so idk
Oh 🙁
What are you pursuing ?
Somewhere
Mechanical engineering is the toughest branch imo. Wouldn’t you agree?
Haha No
I’d say Chem or Aerospace is
quick question, what are the possible reasons my postgrad role application got rejected?
dm @polar panther
alright thanks
This server has everything except the one thing I need… a big boy
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hey can anyone tell me - when you use \phi in Latex are you seeing closed phi or open phi?
Compare $\phi$ to $\varphi$
守沢 千秋
so when I type \phi I see closed phi but then when I copy that from a pdf and put it into plaintext format I get open phi this is very odd
different font rendering probably
that or it's just encoded by a unicode character which is slightly wrong
it's likely that the pdf encoded it in unicode just as the greek letter phi U+03C6, and which variant font display it as is variable (usually the loopy φ as discord is doing), whereas it probably should have been encoded as U+03D5 ϕ "phi symbol", which is explicitly the straight form
Is anyone aware of what happened on one of the help channels, I have 71 pings but no ones mentioned me?

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hi suremark 
noice
sometimes a day of doing nothing is what u need fr
i tidied up my room, and have mostly just been sitting and listening to jazz on the couch
peak life fr
higherrr!!
cupycake!! 
been struggling wrestling with code today.. such a pain..
thank yewww!! 
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vergence 
tanks (oops i missed this again)
@torpid bay did you ever figure more of it out, or is it cooked?
@lean pebble
That was my old pfp
Something very similar
@bright matrix
New math just dropped
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Ban @cunning nimbus
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What
Yo sup
Furry
stressed for my calc 3 midterm tmrw, how do i get past feeling like a larper
feels like everyone else lives and breathes math 😭
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just uhhh drink water and pretend its alchohol act drunk then sleep and then your good to go
fixed problem i just had to wait for the sun to rise
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you guys
I have a maths question for a definition, does that mean i should go to a help channel or just a maths dicussion channel
because its not a homework question is it
its more like a definition question
DM @polar panther
okay
dawg thats for asking server related questions, my ahh sent a definition question
statistics a levels grade 12 uk
i dont get what test statistic and population parameters is in hypothesis testing
i have been googling and staring at notes for like the last 10 mins and i still dont get it
Major bruh moment
is it because we are in the same education level or i am simply too stupid for my grade
No sorry it’s not any of those
Just a tick
My abd
Bad
hellow
can i talk rubbish here?
without swear words, i think its fine
ahh i see, i see
but i cant embed images here😭
check #chill
just
okay
man discussion 2 looks so chill
a statistic is a random variable
T(X)
Salutations
Hi friend
Hi friend
Does anyone have any recommendations for animated series that has a narrative/plot similar to a live action drama
Yo what does anyone think of 4D mathematics?
It has one more dimension than 3d
what it look like
i have never heard a better definition
@calm fulcrum im sorry
Thank you
Ok
I guess my phone should calculate becaue my phone knows that e=2.718..
I have come to take shelter in discussion 2 to save myself from the brainrot that is discussion 1
Original better
Hey no, go back to discussion 1
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well
going down the graph theory route kind didn't get me much, as depending on how you draw the dual graph, getting the dual of that doesn't seem to always get you back to where you were originally
which is something i missed the first time around somehow
I did find something tho, I don't necessarily have to use zeroes to classify functions' symmetries, I can use something slightly more general
but kinda more intersting as well
what do people drink slovak apple liquers with
I got it as a gift and it's quite nice and strong with a great after taste
so I don't want to waste it
I want to try stuff with this
but idk what to do
I have never tried any liqueurs made from apple before
is it not an appropriate topic here lmao
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Is it a group of some sort?
yep
SL(2,Z)?
It's an idea I'm still working out, but if it does, then it can lead to this other idea which might actually be useful maybe
It's something else, but yeah I thought of relating C to matrices as well
lattice stuff
Yeah I just wanted it for that fractal stuff.
I need a good way to talk about trees, and hyper trees.
I also don't know the best ways to go about computation on them
the idea was a generalization of the idea where I wanted to list the symmetries of a function by solely looking at its zeroes(specifically the permutations under symmetries), but of course that idea fails for e^x
the workaround is wip
e^{x} what?
like, suppose we take f(z) = e^z, it has a bunch of symmetries, but no zeroes, so i cant use e^z 's zeroes to get at its symmetries like we did when looking at lacunaries the other day
Well one of them isn't is just exp(2*pi*z + 1)?
what's *?
its what im using to denote complex conjugate
any z in C, any k in Z for e^(z+2piik) = e^z
ok
I wonder if these symmetries would be related to word symmetries some how.
probably, i know nothing about words

allright, i've gotten the idea written out now.
Well if I have a tree with some LR pathing, then it should have symmetries similar to the tree.
LRRRL is a path in a binary tree for example, then what's the mirror of this?
If it does solve questions like this, and is the same group type thing. Then technically it would be directly applicable to my stuff and more.
,,{} \text{A symmetry S on a function f shall be defined to be a transform } S:f\rightarrow g = Sf \ \text{Where } f(x) = Sf(x) \text{ for any x in the domain D that f acts on} \ \text{Suppose a function } f:A\rightarrow B \ \text{Let S be the set of symmetries of f on A. Suppose there is a k in B such that there exists at least one x in A such that } f(x) = k. \ \text{ Let } A_k \text{ be the set} {x\in A:f(x)=k} \ \text{If we then take a symmetry q, and act on f on A, then we will get the function } qf = g \ \text{ Now if we use this g on the set }A_k \text{ then because q is a symmetry of f, then }g(x) = f(y) \text{ for some x,y in }A_k \text{ In other words, the elements in the set }A_k \ \text{ will stay in }A_k \text{ and so any symmetry that acts on it will only ever make an element stay where it is or go over to another element}
Yeatte
uhh it's cut off
yeah :\
bascially, if we have symmetries on the large domain D, and then take a very small subdomain D_k, where each of those map to a single number k after the function f is applied, then the symmetries of the complete f will not make any of the numbers in D_k leave
This sounds like a number of things in math.
Sounds confusing, dang.
ill give an example
let f(z) = z^2
and let Sf(z) = f(-z)
f(-z) = (-z)^2 = z^2, so its symmetry as required
and let us have k = 1, therefore we want the set of numbers such that f(x) = 1. ie we want the set 1 and -1
now, f(1) = 1^2, however the symmetry maps 1 to -1, which also squares to (1)^2, and -1 gets mapped to 1, which also squares to (-1)^2 = 1
Okay that follows well.
so we ended up exactly permuted the elemnts of the set and not going outside of it
now, i want to instead go backwards, and use these permutations of these small sets to build the entire symmetry of the f over the larger domain, and naturally we can ask the question, what is the minimal set/minimal number of sets we need to fully identify all the symmetries of a function by using these permutations
I have a few more conditions i need to watch out for, and i think ill be set to answer that kinda thing
now time to do barely any math for the next 3 months to make up for the 7 good ideas ive had these past few days
I'm going to start programming again and I want to try and figure out tree stuff more. I'm still lossed on functions a tree object should have or what one might even want in a tree object.
also, im pretty sure im messed up the symmetries for that one 3-tile aperigon, it needed 3 generators, not 2, and each one squares to the identity
and also completely noncommutative
Yeah, it's something like that, {\infty, 3} suggests 3 thingies.
<@&268886789983436800> sent across multiple channels 
Doomed
aw, shame i missed it
4d mathematics is very cool. 4d spacial dimension has so many cool possible objects that dont or cant exist in 3d
The 4th dimension looks like the 4th dimensions. A 4d being will most likely will evolve to have volumeric vision, so they will see their 4d world on a 3d volumeric retina. Which is actually what 3d projections of 4d objects are (for example that famous tesseract gif on wikipedia)
4d math is just nD math with n=4, unless you do something stupid like ask how many smooth structures there are on the sphere
I dont even know what smooth structure on the sphere even refers to ngl
hmm
looks at the n of nD
looks at the real numbers
hmm
is this relates to sphere packing
For the longest time i did not know the 2d projective plane can be embeded in 4d, i thought it was only 5d
You know what a topology is?
Yes, i think
Do you know what a manifold is?
Yes
define it for me
I dont know the formal abstract definition
Idk a surface defined with a metric or smth, maybe some other rules
A manifold is a (second-countable) locally euclidean hausdorff topological space
the informal description I use is that a manifold is something you could hypothetically cover in paper mache
locally euclidean means that around any point, you can find a homeomorphism from some (open) subset containing the point to R^m for some m
I get locally eucledean, but What does the hausdorff refer to
Hausdorff is a separability axiom, it says informally that two points can be distinguished. Formally, it says that given any two points p,q in T; there are disjoint open sets around p and q
so open sets P and Q with p in P , q in Q, and P cap Q = emptyset
there are other separability axioms, using different notions, but they aren't important rn

second countable, I'mma be real with you I forget what the hell this means
something about a countable basis?
topology has a countable basis 
higher! 
Sounds wrong lol
not as wrong as the dialogue in old Elder scrolls games
asks NPC for work
"Oh imagine that, a Breton that wants to work."
doesn't give me any work
こんにちは!ご機嫌いかが?
Who the heck is @rs4zcdk653 and why are they our mutual friend
looks like a hacked account ngl
konnichiwa
Oh hey i can read japanese (only hiragana unfortunately)
no idea, apparently I did talk to the guy at one point
おー!すごいですな、わたしはかんしんしますよ
Anyways, now that you know the definition of topological manifold, are you ready for the next step
a—! Suguridesuta, watashitekanahinshimasuyo
Did i get it right?
do japanese really not use spaces
Messes with my brain
にほんこくでは、わたしのようなやつがちょうりょうばっこしていますがあなたにきがいをあたえるそんざいではありませんよ
Probably not, but hit me anyways
Well I don't actually know the formal definitions for smooth manifolds very well
kek
So we have a topological manifold
our next desire is a differentiable or smooth manifold
So close!
In English, that means "Oh! I admire your Japanese skills"
I gtg, but u can continue pinging me, ill look later
ほならね、みなさんおげんきでおすごしくださんまし
fare thee well
yeah we cant have drawn out convos in other languages here, keep it in english please
hey mike
how's your day/night going?
pretty good i guess. wbu?
Hello!
@junior wing
Welcome to Mathcord, new nerd. Hope you enjoy your stay :)
Yeah
Wanna know something cool?
Sure
I talked to the owner of mathmetics!
Proof?
#chill is your friend for now
No one, it's a channel on this server
Ohhh
I misclick double tapped react
Nadat12
fascist language… no shade
?
what does that even mean. how can a language be fascist
unfortunately language can be used as a form of fascism and has been even in modern times such as Japan
fascism is rigidity, little space for being creative
idk moon, but languages can be fascist
piraha is the quintessential example
okay? doesnt mean you get to label the entire language as fascist
I just read the rules throughly and it doesn’t prohibit the discussion of history so I will just continue.
Japan, similar to many other countries, historically use chinese characters and still do. What’s funny about Japan is that they slaughtered countless lives across Asia during modern times, in brutal ways, and the fact that they continue to use chinese characters in their language is a slap in the face and a reminder of their fascism
BlooP (bounded loop) is a fascist language by Hofstadter
As a Japanese, it is understandable that various countries hold differing interpretations of Japan's wartime actions. However, it is difficult to comprehend what connection kanji—introduced from China centuries before World War II, in the 3rd to 5th centuries, and developed uniquely within Japan ever since—could possibly have with Japan's wartime actions a mere 80 years ago.
Sorry for suddenly interrupting.
Thank you... Thanks to your help, my mood has brightened up.
I cried three liters.
Finally discovered a new unknown math field after so long, listening to that something is missing feeling was worth it.
hello discussion 2 aka the cooler chat
by that logic literally every language is fascist
math is a facist language
because its the language of the universe, therefore every language is its subset

Fascist sheaf theorists are out to get you son
Grothendieck was a gangster communist but he was a major proponent of the language of sheaves. Checkmate
i don't think math is in any way a language
it is a partial script language
there are some factors like cultural factors for example that math cant take into account. the same way that economics and statistics cant account for all economical things since most of the time the numbers are inaccurate
Funny.
i cant solve this math problem
a^2+b^2+c^2 = 42 then a,b,c equalc=?
(±5, ±4, ±1)
can barely read it without kanjis
読みにくい
日本人おるんかい

います
ah, japanese, i should really use those as variables some time
Let 感 be a smooth projective variety of genus 1
Most pre-university math role level of using noggin of all time
Which one
Forgot you were here Kenobi
Inuktitut based on image name
And the baybayin writing system
That's fair I avoid this server like the plague
Woah hold your horses buddy
Good practice
I'm barely here too
I'm only here because someone called Japanese a facist language
#politics

I don’t think my statements were offensive at all geniunely
considering people here to be educated; I would assume you understand that the japanese are a very unusual group of people. They copied chinese culture and language for hundreds of years, and then began to slaughter them as China grew weak during the 20th century
This is bullshit and you know it
it’s kind of funny how people on FB depict sanai takiachi as trump’s lapdog because without America, she wouldn’t be talking shit
please watch your language
I am here to respectfully discuss
Nah
it’s not a good look for you
you automatically lose any credibility as soon as you throw insults, as a general rule of thumb
Better than spewing hate fed to you by your parents about shit that happened a long ass time ago
But go off
“it happened a long ass time ago!” girl please go read the news
The Japanese slaughtered Chinese recently? Must have missed that news segment
You want to talk fascist languages, look at English.
You're just making excuses to be racist against Japanese because it was ingrained into you as a child.
you may have misunderstood what I’m saying
Japan is using the excuse of “an existential crisis” to defend Taiwan if China were to reunify with it. They used to same excuse 80 years ago to invade China and massacre its civilians
history is repeating itself, except this time China isn’t weak anymore
Your issue is Japan defending Taiwan against China?
Some racist dude ranting about Japan
Many such cases
exactly
Defending China's take on Taiwan isn't a good look for you...
Japan isn’t saying it becuase they like Taiwan, they are saying it because China is taking over many key Japanese industries
Japans economy has been stagnant for years
and China is the reason behind it, which is why sanai taikaichi is promising things such as a “revival of the economy” which she can’t deliver
also, China has the ability to choke Japanese imports and exports, which it hasn’t done primarily due to pressure from the US
A single horrible prime minister isn't representative of a whole country.
have u considered they’re saying it because they are also an island nation directly next to china
good god dude
so why isn’t SK saying the same thing?
why isn’t the Philippines, which is geographically closer to Taiwan
She's a hideous bitch. Who cares what she says
Her existence doesn't warrant you to be xenophobic against Japanese people or language
actually many young people are increasingly supportive of her
so I wouldn’t say she is an odd one out of the Japanese population
they just don’t say anything out loud. but i guarantee you SK is not just ignoring chinese aggression against taiwan
no one in the world is
i don’t know anything about the new prime minister of japan, sounds like she’s some kind of populist, but criticizing them for defending taiwan is the wrong leg to stand on
If you want a reason to think she sucks... she blamed gays for the shrinking birth rates and said she doesn't see a reason to allow same sex marriage because it'll only make the birth rate worse 😝🤣
we just need to turn the gays straight and japan’s birth rate crisis will be solved
Cuz it's 100% not the lack of affordable childcare. Or the insane spike in cost of living... noo. Definitely the gays
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Hi
Hi
I think war in general is bad and frankly China taking Taiwan is a move I don’t support. If it was any other country saying they would defend Taiwan I bet most chinese wouldn’t care.
But chinese people have lived experience at the hands of fascist japan, so I dont blame them at all
and you honestly need to stop acting like the victim baes
these gifs aren’t cute
Wait most Chinese people alive today do not have lived experience at the hands of fascist Japan
<@&268886789983436800> blatant xenophobia
there was never a formal apology, and chinese people collectively feel sympathy for the past victims
????
What
I wasn’t being xenophobic
I'm at a loss 
This persons been on a crusade against Japan
Right but that's a different thing from what you said
it’s not just that though. Chinese attacks in Japan have been on the rise, anti-chinese rhetoric being spewed by the government themselves, etc. But I understand it’s hard to fully understand if you haven’t lived through it
Also there are a lot of apologies by the Japanese https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan
This is a list of war apology statements issued by Japan regarding war crimes committed by the Empire of Japan during World War II. The statements were made at and after the end of World War II in Asia, from the 1950s to present day. Controversies remain to this day with some about the nature of the war crimes of the past and the appropriate per...
I don't know all my friends/family based in mainland china seem very happy to visit japan still
That's still not the same thing as what you said, most Chinese people do not have lived experience of being the victim of fascist Japan
They might have sympathies or secondhand experience but mostly not lived experience
Anyways this conversation has probably progressed past the point of being productive
It never was productive. This person just started going off against Japan unprovoked because they saw Japanese language written.
Japan, similar to many other countries, historically use chinese characters and still do. What’s funny about Japan is that they slaughtered countless lives across Asia during modern times, in brutal ways, and the fact that they continue to use chinese characters in their language is a slap in the face and a reminder of their fascism
Wow. This is such a weird thing to say. Japan imported Chinese characters long, long before they went on Imperial conquests. The two have nothing to do with one another.
you can visit a country and defend your own from Sinophobia at the same time
anyway, I see the objection now. aria, please calm your tits on Japan.
chinese people have deep pride which is the reason they resisted Japanese aggression in the first place, and is a reason why I I feel so proud as a chinese person
I never said that people now have lived through the trauma, I simply said that history shouldn’t be forgotten and the rhetoric Japan is spewing right now should not be ignored 😄
Seethe quietly to yourself
Subtext: Japanese folks have no pride?
I guess y'all shall move on to another topic less prone to pointless debate, since you don't share the same opinions and don't intend to change that 
That's becoming more and more unproductive
You should also be nice.
I've been nice. I haven't said one negative thing about Chinese people or culture, despite it being lauded and my culture being spat on. 🤷♂️
Im back
telling aria to seethe quietly is not nice. You don't have to say anything, that's just a taunt and risks keeping the argument going.
Is anyone here from India class x cbse??
Hello
chat being here has made me realize how little math I know and now I'm sad
Why is that something to be sad about?
Part of the fun is learning new things
that's a nice change of perspective
Im 21 and i only know addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, radical and powering by.
Dont feel sad its normal
i thought the japanese
Genuinely there's levels to this
I begin looking at my first bit of difficult math and just feel so cooked
I'm so cooked I can't even do calculus
I've been sitting here for 20 minutes thinking "damn I need to do school work" and have done nothing
just sitting here
what's the convention for log rules involving vectors?
you what
is it ln(xy) = ln(x) + ln(y) or is it something else?
that would need ln(x) + ln(y) =ipi + ln(y) + ln(x) or smthn
exp(x)exp(y)=exp(x+y) i'm pretty sure iff x,y commute
wut if anticommute
then no
mm
exp(i)exp(j) neq exp(i+j)
ig that's not the worst
@rocky shale your answer is correct but don't just post it, have OP make their own
oh okay 👍
@rocky shale
Welcome to Mathcord, new nerd
Wraith, will you be applying for mod?
i am just bored
Probably not, I'd be absolutely shocked if anything came of it
you're funny
who?
LMFAO
if a mod asked that you might be justified in this inference
you just single-handedly ensured I will never be mod
recognition neq mod material, look at nG
sylvester's law of inertia = geometric algebra
How do i prove a quadrilateral is circumscribable
you prove that the sum of the lengths of its opposite sides are equal
who can help me in a math problem
i think they solved it
Uh i proved that the sum of opposite angles in a circumscribeable quadrilateral is always 180° or pi/2 rad if you like that, does that work too (i learned it in school and then proved it later)
someone else helped me
Let K, L, and M be non-zero and distinct digits.
KLM
MKL
LMK
These three-digit natural numbers are divisible by 5, 9, and 4 respectively.
What is the product of K, L, and M?
The other direction is true too
If the opposite angles sum to 180 degrees, then the quad is circumscribable
but its the problem
m has to be 5, then k is 6 so 56 is div by 4. l is 7 for the 9 rule. so 210
m can't be 0, so it's 5
then K is 6
then L is 7
Yes

Ramadan Mubarak!
That's not possible even with unlimited calculations
You too!

ello c:
is there a server for chemistry and stuff like that
Take a look at #old-network
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is there a diff eq channel
check out #odes-and-pdes, that should be it
Ramadan Mubarak btw

Do you guys think Chinese school’s standard is high?
in a lot of ways yes
its very demanding, the standard of education is high but not that much higher than other countries
In my own experience I think it depends on the city and the quality of the school
Hello guys
Hi
You are from india?
hi everyone ◡̈
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Can everyone reading this send me unhinged/deranged/weird af/surreal/strange gifs that they’ve saved? (Not overtly sexual please) I need inspiration for my homework, the assignment is to make a gif and I want to make something weird so I can traumatize my classmates during critique and discussion
Gifs like these would be great
🙏
https://tenor.com/view/sysk-stuff-you-should-know-josh-clark-creepy-hands-human-octopus-gif-12904827
@late crag don’t just react and give me some gifs plz





